[03:25] hi [05:31] b1 release tomorrow (Friday) [05:39] bluesabre: early indications are an old name returning and a couple of new ones on the tracker [05:40] Unit193: you any idea why lightdm-gtk=-greeter would be complaining about upstart? and if it'd slow desktop arrival at all? [05:42] There was something recently in one of the packages about upgrades, likely in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* stuff. [05:45] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/trjGhTGmbP/ [10:46] flocculant: looks like that's some fallback code to launch indicators in older releases of ubuntu. Shouldn't cause the slowdown, and as you can see by the timestamps, it keeps going [10:48] The rest of that is GTK's ongoing debug output to developers spamming users [10:49] flocculant: don't suppose you know if the other *buntus are having the first login slowness? [10:50] it takes forever to get to ubiquity, so I'm thinking it might be not just us [10:51] also glad that the b1 release is tomorrow... want to document what's new so blogs don't just write us off [10:52] flocculant: and yeah, also of note that 32bit gets no attention at all [10:53] I also wonder if iso.qa's display is part of the problem. "5/5 completed", "oh good, they got their testers" [10:53] maybe [10:54] (hello) [10:54] hiya knome [10:54] stomach bug almost beaten [10:55] almost yay [10:56] that's good news knome [10:56] and morning both [10:56] hello slickymasterWork [10:58] hey there slickymasterWork [12:10] knome, flocculant, thoughts on having an interesting and informative release note for bionic? Currently drafting up a general format here https://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1804-release [12:11] It would 1) make our release more interesting for users, and 2) give our testers an idea of where to look for issues [12:12] and if so, can I include it on the b1 note if I finish writing it up tonight? :) [12:16] bluesabre, commented on the pad [12:17] do we have anything else to mention about xfce getting forward? [12:18] I'd remove the 'and' in (and formerly GNOME 2) [12:19] slickymasterWork, jfdi :P [12:19] knome: we will, not written it yet, https://imgur.com/a/iLjym [12:19] nasty knome :P [12:19] yes... [12:21] for reference, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/bionic_changes [12:27] and a summary, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bMeZ8YbhFYJvkVpu2V_LGCWRT4oc1bBReGVJ57HbQqs/edit?usp=sharing [12:28] that's a lot of links [12:28] well done [12:28] some mornings are more productive than others :) [12:43] bluesabre, you have my permission to do things you want with the b1 release notes [17:46] bluesabre: yep - release note works for me - finish writing it up, ping bashfulrobot in -release with the location of it so that IT is the B1 release note - means I don't have to try to get that done tonight [17:46] ack re fallback code [17:47] not sure if other *buntus have the problem - but I can certainly find out - I'll start with Ubuntu [17:47] re iso.qa - yea I've wondered that in the past ... I'll drop a note to m/l's re it [17:50] bluesabre: re pad - things new that are now gtk3? maybe highlight that - for the last while we've been saying Xfce have been porting things to gtk3 - so we've not got much different [17:54] bluesabre: re pinging bashfulrobot, when you know what rn link will be - put it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/Beta1 [18:10] slickymasterWork, how does your schedule look tomorrow post-dinner? [18:16] wide open, so we can do some work [18:17] good [18:19] bluesabre: sent something about tracker with a pic [19:11] bluesabre: bug 1705243 is that actually expected behaviour? [19:11] bug 1705243 in parole "Play button inactive" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1705243 [19:59] bluesabre: more re rn you want to do - you can add https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes if you want - it'll get updated shortlyish [20:43] bluesabre: figured out a good way of fixing the default look of the greeter window also with adwaita: http://i.imgur.com/X3ogKVD.png [21:15] bluesabre: ok - I grabbed looby lou, budgie and mate. None are slow to desktop. I can only confirm it with xubuntu [21:15] unfortunately ... [21:20] meh, that sucks [21:21] so something in our session is dragging us down..? [21:21] is that a recent issue? [21:22] ochosi: nope - I've been talking about it for months [21:23] pleia2, there was an interesting (in a way) mail about xubuntu derivatives on -contacts, we need to reply to that soon [21:24] (the reply is mostly uninteresting) [21:24] evening knq [21:24] fail [21:25] knome :p [21:25] flocculant: sry, must've slipped by me [21:25] np [21:26] isn't there a systemd profiling thingy which tells you what took how long at startup? [21:26] (that may include the session lag) [21:26] didn't last time I checked [21:26] ochosi: it doesn't however appear to be a constant issue - just first time [21:27] hm [21:27] if I was waiting for 90s everytime I booted my machine - I'd have installed something else in November :D [21:28] lol [21:28] I'll re-re-re-reinstall vanilla xub and check systemd-analyze again [21:29] *nowish* [21:30] awesome [21:30] thanks a bunch [21:31] np ofc :) [21:31] longest bit of doing this - is waiting for the usb to be done ;) [21:31] hehe [21:31] any more bugs on our side you know of that need ironing out? [21:32] not that jump out at me [21:33] I find it harder and harder to know - more stuff from ppa's and git make it awkward to know what others see :) [21:33] welcome to my world ;) [21:33] ha ha [21:33] * ochosi whispers: you're drifting towards arch... [21:34] nah - if I get that far I'll just move back to a vanilla install and start drifting again :D [21:35] bbs - booting to live again [21:45] flocculant: i presume this one can be closed as fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1652933 [21:45] Launchpad bug 1652933 in xfce4-notifyd (Ubuntu) "Application Tab list too small when run from Settings dialogue" [Undecided,Confirmed] [21:45] (still linked to our bugs blueprint) [21:46] (at least this works fine for me) [21:48] knome: isn't this done and inprogress already? https://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/spec=xubuntu-b-community [21:48] or in fact done and done [21:56] ochosi: yea you can close that [21:56] clearing the bug bp is on my radar when I do the release note [21:56] alrighty [21:56] just decided to go through the bps now a bit [21:58] ochosi: systemd-blame things - and stopwatch timings for a vanilla install and my usual install https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YPNCQ2Nd2B/ [21:58] and ack that :) [21:59] lost the will to live timing the live with a stopwatch last time - wasn't in the frame of mind to try again :p [22:02] Unit193: from post #7 down from kerry_s > re core https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2386532&p=13746559&viewfull=1#post13746559 [22:02] the times don't really add up for me [22:02] systemd ones? [22:02] with vanilla you write 30 secs, but systemd tells us about roughly 9 [22:03] yup [22:03] ok, so then the conclusion is that systemd analyze doesn't help in this case [22:03] yea [22:04] just brb - check the second login times to the vanilla install [22:06] ochosi: ok so 2nd login to that install and I see times more or less the same as this install - eg what I'd expect [22:06] Oh strange, and I see slick mentioned the try vs install, that's usually where the problem stands. [22:06] so something goes on for the 1st ever login - that takes an age [22:07] Unit193:ack [22:08] ochosi: if I was me me - not me Xubuntu QA expecting this - I'd boot the usb find it taking ages, assume somethign wrong with the stick, do it all again - see the same thing - perhaps wait the 2nd time - see it taking ages to do anything and likely go elsewhere [22:13] ochosi: re bugs you're seeing comment earlier - not often seeing it now, but some are > the double net indicator thing [22:13] ah right [22:13] I'm assuming we're still not sure what etc [22:13] i remember, you mentioned that a few times [22:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1685502/comments/4 [22:13] Launchpad bug 1685502 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Network manager icon appears twice on start up, from time to time" [Undecided,Confirmed] [22:13] seems to be a race condition that is probably not fully under our control [22:13] yea [22:13] hopefully sn-plugin will make a difference there [22:14] or are you using that already? [22:14] it's installed but not in panel [22:14] but I've not seen it for a while iirc [22:15] when I *did* restarting panel/networky things made no difference [22:15] in 17.10 it stopped it [22:15] anyway - kind of cosmetic imo really [22:16] yeah, but not pretty [22:16] because very prominent [22:17] aah yes - I think I have ind-plugin to see tbird on panel [22:17] aaah [22:18] with sn-plugin and notifications - 2 net icons [22:21] bluesabre: have day off tomorrow - out for a few hours midday ish - should be back in time to get the techy note up together [22:22] you have to hide "application indicators" in the indicator plugin [22:23] then they shouldn't be visible there [22:23] so only once [22:23] in sn-plugin? [22:24] I don't have extra net in ind-plugin even though it's not hidden [22:25] in sn-plugin it's showing net manager applet [22:25] that's just bizarre - only 1 net icon now [22:26] giving up for Thursday - night all :) [22:29] nighty night flocculant [22:36] same here, night all [22:55] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - i386 - i386 built. [23:04] evening all [23:20] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 18.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.