[03:25] <sorat> hi
[05:31] <flocculant> b1 release tomorrow (Friday) 
[05:39] <flocculant> bluesabre: early indications are an old name returning and a couple of new ones on the tracker
[05:40] <flocculant> Unit193: you any idea why lightdm-gtk=-greeter would be complaining about upstart? and if it'd slow desktop arrival at all?
[05:42] <Unit193> There was something recently in one of the packages about upgrades, likely in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* stuff.
[05:45] <flocculant> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/trjGhTGmbP/
[10:46] <bluesabre> flocculant: looks like that's some fallback code to launch indicators in older releases of ubuntu. Shouldn't cause the slowdown, and as you can see by the timestamps, it keeps going
[10:48] <bluesabre> The rest of that is GTK's ongoing debug output to developers spamming users
[10:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: don't suppose you know if the other *buntus are having the first login slowness?
[10:50] <bluesabre> it takes forever to get to ubiquity, so I'm thinking it might be not just us
[10:51] <bluesabre> also glad that the b1 release is tomorrow... want to document what's new so blogs don't just write us off
[10:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: and yeah, also of note that 32bit gets no attention at all
[10:53] <bluesabre> I also wonder if iso.qa's display is part of the problem. "5/5 completed", "oh good, they got their testers"
[10:53] <knome> maybe
[10:54] <knome> (hello)
[10:54] <bluesabre> hiya knome
[10:54] <knome> stomach bug almost beaten
[10:55] <bluesabre> almost yay
[10:56] <slickymasterWork> that's good news knome 
[10:56] <slickymasterWork> and morning both
[10:56] <knome> hello slickymasterWork 
[10:58] <bluesabre> hey there slickymasterWork 
[12:10] <bluesabre> knome, flocculant, thoughts on having an interesting and informative release note for bionic? Currently drafting up a general format here https://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1804-release
[12:11] <bluesabre> It would 1) make our release more interesting for users, and 2) give our testers an idea of where to look for issues
[12:12] <bluesabre> and if so, can I include it on the b1 note if I finish writing it up tonight? :)
[12:16] <knome> bluesabre, commented on the pad
[12:17] <knome> do we have anything else to mention about xfce getting forward? 
[12:18] <slickymasterWork> I'd remove the 'and' in (and formerly GNOME 2)
[12:19] <knome> slickymasterWork, jfdi :P
[12:19] <bluesabre> knome: we will, not written it yet, https://imgur.com/a/iLjym
[12:19] <slickymasterWork> nasty knome :P
[12:19] <knome> yes...
[12:21] <bluesabre> for reference, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/bionic_changes
[12:27] <bluesabre> and a summary, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bMeZ8YbhFYJvkVpu2V_LGCWRT4oc1bBReGVJ57HbQqs/edit?usp=sharing
[12:28] <knome> that's a lot of links
[12:28] <knome> well done
[12:28] <bluesabre> some mornings are more productive than others :)
[12:43] <knome> bluesabre, you have my permission to do things you want with the b1 release notes
[17:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep - release note works for me - finish writing it up, ping bashfulrobot in -release with the location of it so that IT is the B1 release note - means I don't have to try to get that done tonight
[17:46] <flocculant> ack re fallback code
[17:47] <flocculant> not sure if other *buntus have the problem - but I can certainly find out - I'll start with Ubuntu
[17:47] <flocculant> re iso.qa - yea I've wondered that in the past ... I'll drop a note to m/l's re it
[17:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: re pad - things new that are now gtk3? maybe highlight that - for the last while we've been saying Xfce have been porting things to gtk3 - so we've not got much different
[17:54] <flocculant> bluesabre: re pinging bashfulrobot, when you know what rn link will be - put it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/Beta1
[18:10] <knome> slickymasterWork, how does your schedule look tomorrow post-dinner?
[18:16] <slickymasterWork> wide open, so we can do some work
[18:17] <knome> good
[18:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: sent something about tracker with a pic
[19:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1705243 is that actually expected behaviour?
[19:59] <flocculant> bluesabre: more re rn you want to do - you can add https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes if you want - it'll get updated shortlyish
[20:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: figured out a good way of fixing the default look of the greeter window also with adwaita: http://i.imgur.com/X3ogKVD.png
[21:15] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - I grabbed looby lou, budgie and mate. None are slow to desktop. I can only confirm it with xubuntu
[21:15] <flocculant> unfortunately ...
[21:20] <ochosi> meh, that sucks
[21:21] <ochosi> so something in our session is dragging us down..?
[21:21] <ochosi> is that a recent issue?
[21:22] <flocculant> ochosi: nope - I've been talking about it for months
[21:23] <knome> pleia2, there was an interesting (in a way) mail about xubuntu derivatives on -contacts, we need to reply to that soon
[21:24] <knome> (the reply is mostly uninteresting)
[21:24] <flocculant> evening knq
[21:24] <flocculant> fail
[21:25] <flocculant> knome :p
[21:25] <ochosi> flocculant: sry, must've slipped by me
[21:25] <flocculant> np
[21:26] <ochosi> isn't there a systemd profiling thingy which tells you what took how long at startup?
[21:26] <ochosi> (that may include the session lag)
[21:26] <flocculant> didn't last time I checked
[21:26] <flocculant> ochosi: it doesn't however appear to be a constant issue - just first time
[21:27] <ochosi> hm
[21:27] <flocculant> if I was waiting for 90s everytime I booted my machine - I'd have installed something else in November :D
[21:28] <ochosi> lol
[21:28] <flocculant> I'll re-re-re-reinstall vanilla xub and check systemd-analyze again
[21:29] <flocculant> *nowish*
[21:30] <ochosi> awesome
[21:30] <ochosi> thanks a bunch
[21:31] <flocculant> np ofc :)
[21:31] <flocculant> longest bit of doing this - is waiting for the usb to be done ;)
[21:31] <ochosi> hehe
[21:31] <ochosi> any more bugs on our side you know of that need ironing out?
[21:32] <flocculant> not that jump out at me
[21:33] <flocculant> I find it harder and harder to know - more stuff from ppa's and git make it awkward to know what others see :)
[21:33] <ochosi> welcome to my world ;)
[21:33] <flocculant> ha ha 
[21:33]  * ochosi whispers: you're drifting towards arch...
[21:34] <flocculant> nah - if I get that far I'll just move back to a vanilla install and start drifting again :D
[21:35] <flocculant> bbs - booting to live again
[21:45] <ochosi> flocculant: i presume this one can be closed as fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-notifyd/+bug/1652933
[21:45] <ochosi> (still linked to our bugs blueprint)
[21:46] <ochosi> (at least this works fine for me)
[21:48] <ochosi> knome: isn't this done and inprogress already? https://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/spec=xubuntu-b-community
[21:48] <ochosi> or in fact done and done
[21:56] <flocculant> ochosi: yea you can close that
[21:56] <flocculant> clearing the bug bp is on my radar when I do the release note
[21:56] <ochosi> alrighty
[21:56] <ochosi> just decided to go through the bps now a bit
[21:58] <flocculant> ochosi: systemd-blame things - and stopwatch timings for a vanilla install and my usual install https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YPNCQ2Nd2B/
[21:58] <flocculant> and ack that :)
[21:59] <flocculant> lost the will to live timing the live with a stopwatch last time - wasn't in the frame of mind to try again :p
[22:02] <flocculant> Unit193: from post #7 down from kerry_s > re core https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2386532&p=13746559&viewfull=1#post13746559
[22:02] <ochosi> the times don't really add up for me
[22:02] <flocculant> systemd ones? 
[22:02] <ochosi> with vanilla you write 30 secs, but systemd tells us about roughly 9
[22:03] <flocculant> yup
[22:03] <ochosi> ok, so then the conclusion is that systemd analyze doesn't help in this case
[22:03] <flocculant> yea
[22:04] <flocculant> just brb - check the second login times to the vanilla install
[22:06] <flocculant> ochosi: ok so 2nd login to that install and I see times more or less the same as this install - eg what I'd expect
[22:06] <Unit193> Oh strange, and I see slick mentioned the try vs install, that's usually where the problem stands.
[22:06] <flocculant> so something goes on for the 1st ever login - that takes an age
[22:07] <flocculant> Unit193:ack
[22:08] <flocculant> ochosi: if I was me me - not me Xubuntu QA expecting this - I'd boot the usb find it taking ages, assume somethign wrong with the stick, do it all again - see the same thing - perhaps wait the 2nd time - see it taking ages to do anything and likely go elsewhere
[22:13] <flocculant> ochosi: re bugs you're seeing comment earlier - not often seeing it now, but some are > the double net indicator thing
[22:13] <ochosi> ah right
[22:13] <flocculant> I'm assuming we're still not sure what etc
[22:13] <ochosi> i remember, you mentioned that a few times
[22:13] <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1685502/comments/4
[22:13] <ochosi> seems to be a race condition that is probably not fully under our control
[22:13] <flocculant> yea 
[22:13] <ochosi> hopefully sn-plugin will make a difference there
[22:14] <ochosi> or are you using that already?
[22:14] <flocculant> it's installed but not in panel
[22:14] <flocculant> but I've not seen it for a while iirc
[22:15] <flocculant> when I *did* restarting panel/networky things made no difference 
[22:15] <flocculant> in 17.10 it stopped it
[22:15] <flocculant> anyway - kind of cosmetic imo really
[22:16] <ochosi> yeah, but not pretty
[22:16] <ochosi> because very prominent
[22:17] <flocculant> aah yes - I think I have ind-plugin to see tbird on panel
[22:17] <flocculant> aaah
[22:18] <flocculant> with sn-plugin and notifications - 2 net icons
[22:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: have day off tomorrow - out for a few hours midday ish - should be back in time to get the techy note up together 
[22:22] <ochosi> you have to hide "application indicators" in the indicator plugin
[22:23] <ochosi> then they shouldn't be visible there
[22:23] <ochosi> so only once
[22:23] <flocculant> in sn-plugin?
[22:24] <flocculant> I don't have extra net in ind-plugin even though it's not hidden
[22:25] <flocculant> in sn-plugin it's showing net manager applet
[22:25] <flocculant> that's just bizarre - only 1 net icon now 
[22:26] <flocculant> giving up for Thursday - night all :)
[22:29] <slickymaster> nighty night flocculant 
[22:36] <ochosi> same here, night all
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