/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/03/09/#ubports.txt

ubptgbotAghna_Barokah was added by: Aghna_Barokah01:13
ubptgbotM Williams was added by: M Williams02:14
ubptgbot<M Williams> Hello all. Flashed many devices before and I am now having a hard time using the installer to get Ubuntu touch on my nexus 502:15
ubptgbot<M Williams> Is there an recent image that i can fastboot flash or do i have to use the  installer?02:16
ubptgbot<Jyoti> @balcy, I have the ubports 1604 installed on my bq E5. If it s your daily phone, do not install yet, most of apps are not working yet02:18
ubptgbot<dohbee> @M Williams, It's not an android ROM so you can't flash with fastboot. You don't have to use the installer, you can use `ubuntu-device-flash` if you're on ubuntu02:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> you can boot from a live image to do it, too, if you're not, and without installing ubuntu02:40
ubptgbot<M Williams> thanks Rodney02:48
ubptgbot<dohbee> sure02:56
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> @Lyokanthrope, I didn't even know there was a dev mode. Or if I had, I'd forgotten it03:55
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> yeah uh in Settings > About > scroll to bottom > developer mode04:07
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> iirc ADB is disabled by default04:07
ubptgbotYves Dehnen was added by: Yves Dehnen04:19
ubptgbot<Yves Dehnen> Hi everyone, just joined, installer did not work on Nexus 4 but managed to install Ubuntu touch with Ubuntu-device-flash04:25
ubptgbot<e_z_tuxer> Here's my handle05:10
ubptgbot<e_z_tuxer> e_z_tuxer05:11
ubptgbot<advocatux> @e_z_tuxer, Hi Yves, welcome. Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome07:07
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ubptgbot<Stereofont> Hello Aghna Collection. May I ask what is your first language?  We have many different language groups here07:53
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Also, anyone online whose first language is Polish?07:53
ubptgbot<advocatux> You can polish your language skills if you improve your Polish language skills08:28
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> @Mohannes, If that was English it would have been NSFW tongue twister.. if I understood it.08:41
ubptgbot<rogieroudshoorn> it's not that NSFW tbh ;)08:44
ubptgbot<rogieroudshoorn> well, maybe if you let urban dictionary do the translation08:44
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> @Stereofont, Africa only may be a bit too broad. You get Africa Lite and Africa Serious 😁 and on its own probably 20+ languages.. unless we all learn to speak Fanagalo08:45
ubptgbot<Christopher> hey I know you guys do provide video updates but I hope its ok to ask... are there any 'new' devices that can be used w/ ubports these days? I'm still using a nexus 508:45
ubptgbot<Mohannes> @JSJoubert, Try to pronounce it Jean. and record it on audio and put it here ;)08:48
ubptgbotச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை was added by: ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை08:49
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> @rogieroudshoorn, Only ever so slighlty on the verge. 😃08:49
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> @Mohannes, I will give it a go in a bit but my accent will be horrendous 😁08:50
ubptgbot<advocatux> @Christopher, Devs are working hard to port UBports to other devices than the usual ones. Take a look at https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement (Halium is a needed step to port UBports)08:51
ubptgbot<advocatux> @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Hi, you can get started here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome08:52
ubptgbot<Christopher> i see... it looks like those devices aren't quite ready for daily ubports usage yet08:52
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> gigaset qv1030 tablet i have i want load ubuntu touch08:54
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> ub ports not detecting08:55
ubptgbot<advocatux> That model is not ported08:56
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> any ideaes08:56
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> so not possible?08:56
ubptgbot<advocatux> Maybe is possible if someone works in that model08:57
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> devoloper mode enabled08:58
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> currently android kitkat08:58
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> they dint give update os08:58
ubptgbot<peternerlich> have a look at http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices#/ to see all currently working devices08:59
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> so not possible09:03
ubptgbot<Mohannes> @JSJoubert, Haha, the UBports Language Challenge!09:05
ubptgbot<advocatux> @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Just FYI there's also an Indian support group https://t.me/UBports_India09:07
ubptgbotcyanogenite was added by: cyanogenite09:14
ubptgbot<jonny> @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Right now it is not possible. It may become possible, if you or someone did the porting. For porting information see https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html09:14
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> [Edit] so now not possible09:15
ubptgbot<advocatux> @cyanogenite, Hi, welcome. Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed09:15
ubptgbot<ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> currently have kitkat update not available09:15
ubptgbot<technicalbird> @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, The device you are looking is not ported!!09:17
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @JSJoubert, I understand what you mean. 200 languages maybe. We have that issue with India too, so we chose an area group, rather than language based09:17
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @technicalbird, How to port? Is it hard?09:17
ubptgbot<technicalbird> So it's not possible to flash .. it won't detect your device!09:17
ubptgbot<technicalbird> @cyanogenite, Depends on the device!! You can start with halium documentation!09:18
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Christopher, Check out the community port - Moto G2 Titan09:18
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @technicalbird, Ohhhh, ok09:19
ubptgbot<advocatux> @cyanogenite, Is more entertaining and time-consuming than hard 😅09:20
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @advocatux, Wow09:21
ubptgbot<advocatux> In what device are you interested?09:21
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @advocatux, Redmi note 3 (kenzo)09:22
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> I am not sure if I will be able to port09:22
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @advocatux, Can you give rough information what all is needed?09:23
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> @Stereofont, I understand. You may have a big divide between Southern,  awestern Nothern oor Eastern regions. But probably good idea for the people involved in the project to know who could be close to them to help with mentoring and development.09:23
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @cyanogenite, Six months of banging your head against a wall in frustration09:26
ubptgbot<advocatux> @cyanogenite, First step is to port it to Halium https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/index.html Then UBports https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/09:26
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @advocatux, Ohhhh, thanks, will see09:27
ubptgbot<advocatux> You're welcome 👍09:28
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @JSJoubert, Maybe similar device availability, similar frustrations with internet connectivity, maybe more of a tight budget. In Europe, everything is so easy …09:29
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> I know. Being currently in the UK I regularly look at stuff in Africa (Gaming with my nephews) and simple.stuff like a gaming headset with mic is a huge chunk of money vs salary where here it is essentially a wim purchase09:33
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> Same with handset cost for a top end Samsung phone is the equivalent of a monthly salary gross of tax cash and on contract also unaffordable unless you have a high end job09:35
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @JSJoubert, Exactly. It is nice to speculate about the OnePlusThree and HTC10 arriving but we must not lose sight of the need for more affordable options for Ubuntu Touch09:36
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> That is one reason why Blackberry did so well (at least SA) vs Europe the BIS was the first time you had an affordable mobile internet connection09:39
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Nvidia chooser so that would be an 'interesting' challenge. It has only 1Gb RAM and reported to be very slow on Android. Probably it would struggle more on UT09:41
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @JSJoubert, Do you know about the Serval group?  An independent device 'swarm' is especially interesting in that context09:43
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, [Edit] Nvidia chipset so that would be an 'interesting' challenge. It has only 1Gb RAM and reported to be very slow on Android. Probably it would struggle more on UT09:44
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> No I don't. Or at least doesn't ring a bell. Let me go and see09:47
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @JSJoubert, There is a UBports focus group @wayneoutthere09:48
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> So this is not it.. 😃 https://a-z-animals.com/animals/serval/09:49
ubptgbot<advocatux> https://t.me/UB_serval09:53
ubptgbot<JSJoubert> @advocatux, 👍10:56
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Hey. On my M10, I haven't been able to connect to three different public WiFi hotspots lately, two of which are on buses. Figure it can't be a problem with them but rather the tablet, as my Pro 5 connected to one fine. How to fix?11:03
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> No password involved, just "do you agree to these conditions blah blah blah".11:03
ubptgbot<advocatux> Are you talking about Captive Portal login?11:10
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> IDK?11:10
ubptgbot<advocatux> I mean login to a wifi acces point using the web browser?11:12
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Yes, exactly that, but no UN/PW involved.11:12
ubptgbot<advocatux> I remember a bug related to dnsmasq or something like that11:13
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> If you can point me to documentation for that, much appreciated.11:15
ubptgbot<advocatux> But I'm thinking about another possibility (user-agent string). Are your M10 and Pro5 running the same UBports version?11:17
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ubptgbot<berchio> Which of the two YouTube apps in openstore should I pick?11:46
ubptgbot<advocatux> https://open-store.io/app/youtube-web.mateo-salta11:54
ubptgbot<advocatux> It's better11:55
ubptgbot<advocatux> Best support, best navigation, etc11:55
ubptgbot<advocatux> But you can try both I decide for yourself 👍11:55
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @advocatux, nice word play.  I approve (stamp gif)12:05
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> Ok, porting seems easy until cloning for halium12:14
ubptgbot<RoyNL> In xenial on M10 started OpenStore. Could not see apps. When touching screen app became visible12:19
ubptgbot<RoyNL> (Photo, 722x456) https://irc.ubports.com/hGsnWALk.png12:19
ubptgbot<RoyNL> (Photo, 670x419) https://irc.ubports.com/vJwC2tDU.png12:19
ubptgbot<RoyNL> Progress!12:20
ubptgbot<RoyNL> xenial r4712:20
ubptgbot<advocatux> Is it working fine now?12:22
ubptgbot<advocatux> @wayneoutthere, Another mission for... Stampman!12:23
ubptgbot<milkor73> @TartanSpartan, Before the latest OTA there was ubuntu google open page on browser that changed to WiFi provider site to connect and accept the conditions, with duck duck this stoped working. Will investigate what are the settings now. Will come back.12:29
ubptgbot<milkor73> @TartanSpartan, [Edit] Before the latest OTA there was ubuntu google starting page on browser that changed to WiFi provider site to connect and accept the conditions, with duck duck this stoped working. Will investigate what are the settings now. Will come back.12:30
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @TartanSpartan, You can navigate to 1.1.1.1 manually to be redirected in most cases12:37
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> The problem exists due to our friend HSTS, your phone is refusing to be redirected to an HTTP-only site from DDG12:38
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> You don't even need the HSTS header anymore, some browsers just remember12:39
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> But yeah, open any HTTP site12:39
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> Does example.com do tls12:39
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Nope!12:40
ubptgbot<libremax> @UniversalSuperBox, An orher good reason to replace DDG by Qwant wich is better in many way12:41
ubptgbotn0rbr was added by: n0rbr12:42
ubptgbot<SecretlyTaco> searx.me12:43
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @libremax, Would not solve the problem12:45
ubptgbot<advocatux> @n0rbr, Hi norbr. Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started12:45
ubptgbot<milkor73> @UniversalSuperBox, Thx Dalton12:46
ubptgbot<libremax> @UniversalSuperBox, From Qwant my phone "phone is" Not "refusing to be redirected to an HTTP-only site"12:48
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> Can anyone help? Error while halium. … https://del.dog/ipomosuvin.sql13:00
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @advocatux, Can you help?13:01
ubptgbot<advocatux> Share your error using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ Nobody's going  to click in a random link 😉13:02
ubptgbot<advocatux> [Edit] Share your error using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ Nobody's going  to click on a random link 😉13:02
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @advocatux, Try, it's easier than Ubuntu paste!13:03
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @advocatux, After selecting defconfig13:03
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @advocatux, If u want I will give in Ubuntu paste13:03
ubptgbot<advocatux> If it's a Halium error you should ask in the Halium group13:05
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @advocatux, it's not a random link, it's a self-hosted hastebin13:08
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @cyanogenite, 1) post in @halium … 2) you have to open your defconfig (as written in docs) and edit the configs manually using a text editor (i.e. set `#CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER is unset` to `CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y`13:09
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @cyanogenite, [Edit] 1) post in @halium … 2) you have to open your defconfig (as written in docs) and edit the configs manually using a text editor (i.e. set `#CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER is unset` to `CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y`)13:09
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @advocatux, i pity you for supporting centralization. internet was supposed to be independent and federated13:10
ubptgbot<advocatux> @vanyasem, 😂😂 Ivan, you're really a funny guy 😂😂13:11
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @vanyasem, Everywhere?13:11
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @cyanogenite, at least every error13:11
ubptgbot<vanyasem> warning are optional, but highly recommended to fix13:11
ubptgbot<vanyasem> go to @halium damn you13:11
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/rKyPumes.webp13:12
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @vanyasem, Ok sir, thanks13:12
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @advocatux, i meant this seriously13:12
ubptgbot<vanyasem> i keep a small data-center at home to self-host services to support decentralization13:13
ubptgbot<advocatux> Me too. You're preaching to the choir13:15
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> hmm....   decentralization... I smell ... a new focus group! ;)13:18
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> How can UT improve decentralization?  I think ... we could/should start answering this.  Serval Project is one example.  Linphone can help... others?13:19
ubptgbot<advocatux> Someone is trying to win Bureaucrat of the Year award13:19
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> We can help ALL people with ALL things, buddy.  You are raining on my parade.  You are the cloud in my sunny day.  You are the scoop of sugar in my freshly roasted coffee.  GIT!13:27
ubptgbot<libremax> UniversalSuperWayne13:34
ubptgbot<advocatux> 😂 well I'll have lunch now disappears surreptitiously13:34
ubptgbot<peterbittner> @redshaman, Android drains battery. Seriously, I had significantly better battery life on my bq Aquaris E5 with Ubuntu Touch. After installing Android life was shitty. (I was forced to switch to Android for WhatsApp; that's what wives do.) … To be fair, Android does a whole lot more in the background. But seriously, do I13:39
ubptgbotwant my personal data be sent to Google servers in continuation in background? Neither in foreground I want that. But that's Android. Everybody loves it.13:39
ubptgbot<andreasimonetti> not me13:43
ubptgbot<libremax> "(I was forced to switch to Android for WhatsApp; that's what wives do.)" Better, you had forced yourself to accept that; otherwise, if you had got a gun in your neck, go to the police!14:02
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @advocatux yes they are.14:21
ubptgbot<peterbittner> @libremax, Testosterone driving you nuts is worse than a gun in your neck, haha! 😉14:33
ubptgbot<dohbee> @vanyasem, But you need federation too. How can I trust a domain I've never seen before to not be trying to serve me malware?14:35
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @dohbee, fair enough, that's what librejs is for14:36
ubptgbot<vanyasem> it's not usable in real world though, i agree14:36
ubptgbot<vanyasem> i just sticked to strict uMatrix rules that block most of the JS and require manual whitelisting14:36
ubptgbot<dohbee> well and pastebin doesn't have federation, but yeah. just because you're the one that clicked the link, doesn't mean it's not a random link. whenever i see "random domain with hash for path" it's not a good sign. usually url shortners or such, which tend to be bad.14:38
ubptgbot<vanyasem> it's not that insecure if you have JS and redirects disabled :P14:39
ubptgbot<vanyasem> i opened the link and noticed it's hastebin. i whitelisted the hastebin script and it worked14:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, I would say not possible if it's a Tegra. For reference see the 2012 Nexus 7 (grouper). Maybe could port the base halium bits and use it for a headless media server or something, but likely not a fully enabled graphical system14:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> @vanyasem, Which on the modern web is roughly equivalent to just not clicking links, since pretty much nothing is usable at that point. :-/14:40
ubptgbot<vanyasem> @dohbee, i just spent a week whitelisting rules on sites i use, which was a pain, but worked14:41
ubptgbot<vanyasem> sites i use are whitelisted and random crap doesn't get in the way14:41
ubptgbot<vanyasem> most of my stuff except stackoverflow and youtube are self-hosted :P14:42
ubptgbot<vanyasem> [Edit] most of my stuff except stackoverflow and youtube is self-hosted :P14:42
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, Hah, a group for the whole of Africa doesn't make sense. Maybe one for SA, one for Egypt, etc. India is one country. Africa is an entire continent which can fit all of Asia, Europe, and the US within it.14:44
ubptgbot<samitormanen> (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/FHqQ7h1x.png14:50
ubptgbot<samitormanen> (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/PPlo4lLa.png14:50
ubptgbot<samitormanen> (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/8p1MMLwv.png14:50
ubptgbot<samitormanen> My Nexus4 is alive again! Woohoo 😎14:51
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> I just realize that Telegram voice messages is playing from the mic speakers of the N5 @Flohack14:52
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> "speakers"14:53
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @dohbee as in can fit all of their landmasses combined inside it's landmass?14:58
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @UniversalSuperBox sorry broheime but that idea didn't pan out. @advocatux linked me to an AskUbuntu discussion about basically the same bug. It suggested using a different browser to log in to the captive network thingamajig and so Firefox indeed worked. Down to try and find other fixes, though.15:00
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> @milkor73 therefore, I will be all ears when you test that :)15:01
ubptgbot<milkor73> @TartanSpartan, today very busy, pls give me time, I will test, I have already some feedback as I travel a lot and meet many public wifi on the route where I go15:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan i think not all of them, but most of them, anyway15:02
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> No problem.15:03
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Rodney, yeah I was thinking, would probably have to depend on your definition of Asia, because it starts at Turkey and ends at various archipelagos north of Australia, in full totality.15:04
ubptgbot<samitormanen> Finally i can test 16.04. Looking good so far..15:05
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @samitormanen, welcome back.  N4 was really solid for me.15:07
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, https://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/cartography15:07
ubptgbot<milkor73> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/cZGAnRWX.mp415:12
ubptgbot<milkor73> not my, your one Sami, of course15:12
ubptgbot<samitormanen> 😁15:14
ubptgbot<samitormanen> Xenial running quite good..15:15
ubptgbot<samitormanen> Two sudden reboots already 😂15:15
ubptgbot<samitormanen> I need to insert SIM and test calls and other things..15:16
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Still a shafunk ton of Asia not there, but I'll admit, the way those nations all slot together is both interesting and impressive.15:26
ubptgbot<NotKit> @samitormanen, what about Telegram on it?15:53
ubptgbot<dohbee> telegram probably needs recompile15:53
ubptgbot<Flohack> @malditobastardo, What does that mean?16:09
ubptgbot<samitormanen> @NotKit, Telegram starts fine but when i put phone number and press "done", nothing happens.. No confirmation message.16:12
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> @Flohack, Instead of playing the message from the headphones of the N5. It uses the loudspeakers16:14
ubptgbot<Flohack> @samitormanen, 16.04?16:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack, I think he means it's playing via the external speaker rather than the voice call speaker. IOW, like "speakerphone"16:15
ubptgbot<Flohack> @malditobastardo, I cant do anything about this, must be the phones config. The App cannot select which Speaker to use I would say.16:15
ubptgbot<samitormanen> @Flohack, Yes. N4.16:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack, How does it work in dialer app?16:15
ubptgbot<Flohack> @samitormanen, Telegram is not ready for 16.04 - I dont know how can I communicate this. It needs recompilation, and unfortunately it has the worst build process of all Apps16:16
ubptgbot<Flohack> @dohbee, No idea ;)16:16
ubptgbot<Flohack> Someone might dig into both codebases and compare16:16
ubptgbot<dohbee> hmm, but if headphones are plugged in, it should play via headphone regardless16:16
ubptgbot<Flohack> yes. Also, I can imagine to listen to a Telegram voice message with the speakerphone thingie since I dont put my phone on the ear during using Telegram but OK16:17
ubptgbot<Flohack> That raises the point how people use their phones: Its totally different16:17
ubptgbot<dohbee> yeah16:18
ubptgbot<dohbee> usability is hard :)16:18
ubptgbot<samitormanen> @Flohack, Yeah, I understand. I am just testing all kind of things. Still, very suprised how good it works at this moment. Very smooth.16:19
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> @Flohack, For me is ok but sometimes when you are in a noisy environment or when you need discretion is good to have the chance to listen from the earspeakers16:22
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> This same behavior happens by default with uMatriks16:22
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> Plus my nexus 5 speakers sounds horrible16:23
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> Distorted16:23
ubptgbot<Flohack> @dohbee, BTW dialer app is different, has a different confinement such. Just to have a look what is behind the handsfree button,16:23
ubptgbot<Flohack> Anyone volunteers?16:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack, Well it's not confined at all I think (not even unconfined profile), but yeah. I don't think that part matters wrt audio profile though16:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> problem is i presume, that telegram is just always using media profile16:25
ubptgbot<Flohack> @dohbee, We could make s switch for that, but I need to know what to switch 😆16:26
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> exactly16:26
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> Rodney you nailed it16:26
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> Yesterday I was telling the same to cibersheep about the Linphone app16:27
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> same "issue"16:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Flohack, https://github.com/ubports/dialer-app/blob/xenial/src/qml/LiveCallPage/LiveCall.qml#L61116:27
ubptgbot<Flohack> Well thats the beginning of the rabbit hole16:31
ubptgbot<Flohack> This property is for sure handed down into some bckend code16:31
ubptgbot<dohbee> yes16:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> that was just a quick look to find the ui16:32
ubptgbot<Flohack> Yep but thx maybe I do it on the weekend16:33
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> Can I theme my terminal app?16:55
ubptgbot<dohbee> yep. i expect it's probably connected to some property in a c++ obj, that actually toggles the pulseaudio profile somehow16:55
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AmolithSeregion, there is a theme selection in the preferences no?16:56
ubptgbot<advocatux> @AmolithSeregion, Do you mean make your own theme? Because you can choose from a selection in configuration16:57
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, Manually theme, I'm sorry. I want to pick my own colours and such16:57
ubptgbot<dohbee> Yes, you can make your own theme, but there's no GUI to do so afaik.16:58
ubptgbot<dohbee> @AmolithSeregion, https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term17:00
ubptgbot<advocatux> @AmolithSeregion, [Edit] Do you mean making your own theme? Because you can choose from a selection in configuration17:01
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, I've got that on my laptop. It's fun to play with17:01
ubptgbot<dohbee> i think there is some way to use themes from that, but i'm not entirely sure how exactly17:01
ubptgbot<dohbee> that app uses the same terminal widget as terminal-app does, anyway17:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> not sure if there's any documentation on how to theme though17:02
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> Hey guys do USB monitors work with convergence?17:40
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @dohbee, Afaik always seems like an arabic name or something.17:52
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> who is this Afaik person?17:52
ubptgbot<Flohack> @wayneoutthere, Its the same with Scnr, seems to be from Poland or so.17:58
ubptgbotloic darling was added by: loic darling18:08
ubptgbot<advocatux> @loic darling, Hi loic, take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started18:15
ubptgbot<loic darling> good evening to all I am new in the group, and also on telegram. my membership in this group is justified by the fact that I want to build a medical tablet based on the ubuntu touch OS. I want to start with the installation of the system under raspberry pi but the fact is that it is impossible, I really want your help compared,18:21
ubptgbot I want you to show me a step to follow for the realization of my project, even having godfathers ..18:21
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> this sounds... intense. :)18:25
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> my heart is pounding.18:25
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rM9UqaKU.mp418:25
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @loic darling, all joking aside, we are here to help18:25
ubptgbot<loic darling> @wayneoutthere, ok.18:28
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Fuseteam, No18:29
ubptgbot<dohbee> you'd have to install a normalish ubuntu, and then install the unity8 session on top of it, on rpi18:30
ubptgbot<dohbee> there are some differences between what that is, and what ubuntu-touch is though18:30
ubptgbot<Flohack> @loic darling, What hardware do you have in mind?18:31
ubptgbot<loic darling> I look a lot more at an ARM architecture, because of the accessibility in my region the other architecture is easily accessible here as a single board,18:35
ubptgbot<Flohack> But currently we do not have many choices regarding tablets18:36
ubptgbot<loic darling> je suis du cameroun et avoir accès à d'autre type de proccesseur c'est pas facile.18:40
ubptgbot<loic darling> I am from Cameroon and have access to other types of proccesseur is not easy.18:41
ubptgbot<loic darling> sorry18:41
ubptgbot<Flohack> Ok hmm.. Hardware is the key, though, even if you got a good prototype, what will be the final hardware?18:41
ubptgbot<dohbee> currently the way the full ubuntu-touch stack works is tied pretty tightly to having the android HAL in a container underneath18:42
ubptgbot<loic darling> @Flohack, it will depend on a thorough analysis. can you offer me? my goal first is the prototype then the rest will come.18:46
ubptgbot<Flohack> @loic darling, No sorry, we cannot do this easily. Currently no hardware vendor is producing a tablet which can run Ubuntu Touch. You need to find an Android tablet and try to port UT for it. Thats the only option18:49
ubptgbot<dohbee> "medical tablet" is also kind of vague. does that mean just building some apps on top? or adding new features to the core OS too? Perhaps removing some that are not needed in this use case, and that would be problematic?18:52
ubptgbot<loic darling> I'll go, develloperations on it, remove what is up and see how to add more functionality if possible.in fact that's what I want ....19:03
ubptgbot<Flohack> @loic darling, I think you go the wrong way. You want to gop top-down but that will cuase the most problems at the end. You need to go bootom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that19:06
ubptgbot<Flohack> @loic darling, [Edit] I think you go the wrong way. You want to go top-down but that will cuase the most problems at the end. You need to go bootom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that19:06
ubptgbot<Flohack> @loic darling, [Edit] I think you go the wrong way. You want to go top-down but that will cause the most problems at the end. You need to go bootom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that19:06
ubptgbot<Flohack> @loic darling, [Edit] I think you go the wrong way. You want to go top-down but that will cause the most problems at the end. You need to go bottom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that19:06
ubptgbot<loic darling> When you talk about hardware you are referring to the hardware archirecture to use?19:08
ubptgbot<Flohack> @loic darling, No I am referrring to the actual tablet19:13
ubptgbot<Flohack> You want to do this on only one device or many?19:13
ubptgbot<loic darling> one device19:13
ubptgbot<Flohack> Hmm then try to get hands on a BQ M10 tablet19:13
ubptgbot<Flohack> Its the only tablet that UT is compatible with atm19:14
ubptgbot<loic darling> ha ok19:15
ubptgbot<mateosalta> @loic darling, Probably start with Ubuntu core I think, that runs on the pi, and there are mir snap demos I think19:27
ubptgbot<mateosalta> https://developer.ubuntu.com/core/examples/snaps-on-mir19:29
ubptgbot<dohbee> @mateosalta, it requires ubuntu sso login and network connection to sync ssh key though, and probably a bit of a pain to build on top of19:45
ubptgbotAndrea Vergano was added by: Andrea Vergano19:51
ubptgbot<mateosalta> The auto updating, and security wise might be a good fit for 'medical'20:03
ubptgbot<mateosalta> Not sure what all he wants, will this hook up to monitoring devices, or be a record keeping appointment/diagnosis/records type of thing20:05
ubptgbot<dohbee> no idea20:07
ubptgbot<dohbee> but given the aforementioned description of device ability in that location seems like network availability would also be quite thin20:08
ubptgbot<advocatux> @Andrea Vergano, Hi Andrea, take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started20:30
ubptgbot<Yann Roth> Short information to everyone using ubports installer on osx and trying to install ubuntu touch on a nexus 5: I failed using version 0.1.11-beta, but 0.1.5-beta seems to work. Good luck!20:49
ubptgbotZetarancio was added by: Zetarancio21:03
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> @Zetarancio, Welcome Alessandro! Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started!21:11
ubptgbot<GranPC> does anyone know why `ubuntu-push-client` would fail to start with this error:21:11
ubptgbot<GranPC> ``` root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet/.cache/upstart# tail -f ubuntu-push-client.log  … 2018/03/09 22:10:50.106941 ERROR Information failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory: Launcher could not run (out of memory)```21:12
ubptgbot<GranPC> despite what it may look like, the device has more than sufficient memory21:12
ubptgbot<GranPC> ```             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached … Mem:          886M       832M        53M       2.1M        13M       352M … -/+ buffers/cache:       466M       419M … Swap:           0B         0B         0B```21:12
ubptgbot<dohbee> on 15.04? (and why are you root?)21:12
ubptgbot<GranPC> 15.04, yes21:12
ubptgbot<GranPC> i'm root because i wrote adb shell and it gave me a root prompt. not sure why21:13
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Whoa! What device?21:13
ubptgbot<dohbee> that sounds bad21:13
ubptgbot<GranPC> titan (moto g2)21:13
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh.21:13
ubptgbot<GranPC> i know it's a community device21:13
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Probably compiled with `eng`21:13
ubptgbot<GranPC> but i'm actually interested in developing for ubuntu touch again - it's been a long time - and it's the only device i've got handy that's currently support21:13
ubptgbot<GranPC> [Edit] but i'm actually interested in developing for ubuntu touch again - it's been a long time - and it's the only device i've got handy that's currently supported21:13
ubptgbot<dohbee> you don't have much free memory21:14
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Hmm, I think Walid is asleep right now, but maybe he has the answer to your ubuntu-push-client problem21:14
ubptgbot<GranPC> 419 MB seems more than enough for a push daemon21:14
ubptgbot<GranPC> i dropped all caches just in case, and it's still doing the same thing21:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> hmm, does 15.04 `free` not have the `available` bit?21:15
ubptgbot<GranPC> i guess not - what even is that?21:15
ubptgbot<dohbee> the value of how much is available so you don't have to do math in your head21:16
ubptgbot<GranPC> it's not in 7proc/meminfo either21:16
ubptgbot<GranPC> [Edit] it's not in /proc/meminfo either21:16
ubptgbot<GranPC> anyway, i think i have more than enough memory for the push daemon because i don't have any apps running21:16
ubptgbot<GranPC> and i can start up like three different apps and the OOM killer won't get rid of any of them21:16
ubptgbot<dohbee> what about ulimit?21:16
ubptgbot<dohbee> is something set with ulimit maybe?21:17
ubptgbot<GranPC> seems normal to me21:17
ubptgbot<GranPC> https://paste2.org/c6vev3eO21:17
ubptgbot<dohbee> hmm21:19
ubptgbot<GranPC> i ran it as non-root just in case and i get the same results21:19
ubptgbot<dohbee> if you `su` to phablet, and run `start ubuntu-push-client` does it start?21:20
ubptgbot<GranPC> unknown job21:20
ubptgbot<GranPC> i actually tried that earlier21:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> huh21:21
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Yep, that happens when you need to switch to phablet.21:21
ubptgbot<GranPC> aha21:21
ubptgbot<GranPC> i'll just grab a terminal app then21:21
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Can you run that from the phone's terminal instead?21:21
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> yep21:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> what if you just run `/usr/lib/ubuntu-push-client/ubuntu-push-client` directly?21:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> well i did say to `su` to phablet first ;)21:21
ubptgbot<GranPC> i did su to phablet first21:22
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, Right, but you can't always use upstart's scripts the same way when you do that.21:22
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Same thing happens if you get a shell before `lightdm` actually starts21:22
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh, because the env is empty or something?21:22
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Seems like it21:22
ubptgbot<dohbee> unix sucks21:22
ubptgbot<GranPC> i did stop/start:21:23
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> - A Unix developer, 201821:23
ubptgbot<GranPC> [Edit] i did stop/start21:23
ubptgbot<GranPC> same errors21:23
ubptgbot<GranPC> that is so weird21:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> weird21:23
ubptgbot<Flohack> @GranPC, Actually it seems not a problem of push client but rather of dbus21:23
ubptgbot<GranPC> i thought of that, but i don't see anything interesting in the dbus logs21:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, we could do a stream where we just sort of talk about how everything sucks21:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> i hear you can get sponsors for that sort of thing21:24
ubptgbot<GranPC> for what it's worth, this appears in the logfile after a reboot21:27
ubptgbot<GranPC> ```2018/03/09 22:07:36.809167 INFO connectivity check passed. … 2018/03/09 22:07:37.410850 ERROR Information failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory: Launcher could not run (out of memory) … 2018/03/09 22:07:37 unable to start: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory: Launcher could not run (out of memory) … 2018/03/09 22:07:40.5542521:27
ubptgbot0 INFO connectivity check passed.```21:27
ubptgbot<GranPC> then it never appears again21:27
ubptgbot<dohbee> that sounds like ubuntu-push-client is running, but it can't launch something else21:29
ubptgbot<GranPC> i actually thought that, but then i noticed it's a different pid every time21:29
ubptgbot<dohbee> what, i do not know though21:29
ubptgbot<GranPC> @dohbee, i tried thsi btw21:29
ubptgbot<GranPC> it just shows the same error, but in stdout21:30
ubptgbot<dohbee> well, maybe it's something which is necessary for it to function, and then dies because of that21:30
ubptgbot<GranPC> (well, maybe stderr. dunno!)21:30
ubptgbot<GranPC> yeah, maybe21:30
ubptgbot<dohbee> but i've never seen that happen before21:31
ubptgbot<dohbee> so uh, yeah :-/21:31
ubptgbot<GranPC> me neither, and I've run ubuntu touch on a few different devieces21:31
ubptgbot<GranPC> (including one i self-ported!)21:31
ubptgbot<GranPC> maybe I'll just switch to 16.04 and see if it happens there. if not, maybe i can help develop 16.0421:32
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Hey guys, I have a question, I have ubports booting with halium-boot, but I can't get the GUI, I followed the instructions that say to use systemctl which as expected doesn't work, and lxc-android-config gives a file not found error, what should I be entering?21:34
ubptgbot<Flohack> @GranPC, Does notification work?21:34
ubptgbot<GranPC> no, they don't. that's what led to me to look at the ubuntu-push-client logs :)21:34
ubptgbot<Flohack> connectivity check passed is normally enough to check if its working. anything else in the logs?21:34
ubptgbot<GranPC> nope21:34
ubptgbot<GranPC> only that + the error messages repeated every few seconds21:35
ubptgbot<Flohack> ah ok so its repeating?21:35
ubptgbot<GranPC> yes21:35
ubptgbot<GranPC> because the process crashes, then it gets restarted by upstart, then it crashes again21:35
ubptgbot<dohbee> err, wait, the g2 isn't a halium/16.04 device?!21:35
ubptgbot<GranPC> I don't think it runs on halium21:36
ubptgbot<GranPC> but it can run 16.04 - I was actually running it a few hours ago21:36
ubptgbot<GranPC> https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-titan-t360884621:36
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @dohbee, It's ubp-5.1, the port was started before Halium was a thing21:37
ubptgbot<dohbee> oh21:37
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> It runs 16.0421:37
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @dohbee, We are struggling to create anything. It would be a starting point, though I meant Africa minus Arabic speakers21:37
ubptgbot<dohbee> @UniversalSuperBox, sure, i was more confused about it running 15.0421:38
ubptgbot<GranPC> the developer started working on it in 201421:38
ubptgbot<GranPC> and then for some reason he went back to it in 201721:39
ubptgbot<GranPC> I dunno, I'll try wiping the whole thing and reinstalling 16.0421:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> sure. i started on all this stuff in i guess 201321:40
ubptgbot<GranPC> it's probably a dumb idea to develop for 15.04 anyway21:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> @GranPC, well, what are you wanting to develop?21:41
ubptgbot<GranPC> apps21:41
ubptgbot<GranPC> I wouldn't mind contributing to the system itself or core apps either21:41
ubptgbot<GranPC> I'll probably start out with some simple issues on core apps on github21:41
ubptgbot<dohbee> pure qml apps should run fine on either,21:41
ubptgbot<dohbee> or html5 apps too i guess21:41
ubptgbot<GranPC> probs not gonna be pure qml apps, I want to make a chrome remote desktop client21:41
ubptgbot<GranPC> not interested in html5 apps21:41
ubptgbot<GranPC> lol21:41
ubptgbot<GranPC> native or bust21:41
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Flohack, Also 2013 Nexus 721:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, 2013 Nexus 7 wifi (flo - early models)21:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> or something21:46
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> flo is all wifi models, deb is the lte model21:46
ubptgbot<GranPC> they changed the partitioning on flo21:46
ubptgbot<GranPC> so it doesn't install properly on latter models21:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> yes, but they changed the flash later and it broke stuff21:46
ubptgbot<GranPC> it is possible to repartition them21:46
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> oh21:47
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> My bad21:47
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> I wasn't aware of that21:47
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> That's...dumb21:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> also there's razor which is a rev of deb i think21:47
ubptgbot<GranPC> no, they have two names21:47
ubptgbot<GranPC> (device name and product name. some weird stuff going on!)21:47
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> I wonder if I can still find n7 2013's floating around21:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> yes21:47
ubptgbot<GranPC> i still have mine21:48
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> oh yeah there's a bunch on swappa21:48
ubptgbot<GranPC> it doesn't run ubports though. only canonical touch21:48
ubptgbot<GranPC> i still have touch installed on it21:48
ubptgbot<Flohack> @GranPC, you sound like @KrisJacewicz 😆21:48
ubptgbot<dohbee> i just put 15.04 back on my nexus 421:48
ubptgbot<dohbee> nah21:49
ubptgbot<GranPC> @Flohack, to be fair though... native apps are already a little slow21:49
ubptgbot<GranPC> html5 apps aren't any better :)21:49
ubptgbot<dohbee> they're not all slow21:49
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Actually things are much speedier on 16.04. Like magic.21:50
ubptgbot<GranPC> oh, I know! it felt a lot nicer to use21:50
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> can confirm, 16.04 when I tried it on the nexus 5 was much nicer feeling21:50
ubptgbot<GranPC> I'm not sure why I switched to 1521:50
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> I couldn't daily drive it without a working telegram app at least though 😷21:51
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> [Edit] I couldn't daily drive it without a working telegram app at least though21:51
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Tygerpro Tygerpro, You are in the porting group?21:51
ubptgbot<Lyokanthrope> [Edit] I couldn't daily drive it without a working telegram app at least though :x21:51
ubptgbot<GranPC> oh sound wasn't working, that was it21:51
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Not that I know of22:06
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> I can add you if you'd like22:06
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Wait, no, you have a username set. PM?22:06
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Meaning you PM me?22:07
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Right22:07
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Sure, dunno if it works on my phone though22:08
ubptgbot<peternerlich> Totally hyped for tomorrow afternoon, when I'm gonna arive at the Chemnitzer Linux Days 😍22:31
ubptgbot<peternerlich> First time for me to attend such an event. No idea really what to expect besides the talks.22:32
ubptgbot<peternerlich> Also there are either very few others attending from this community or we are just exceptionally little interested in making a date for a small community meetup 😁 probably normal though22:34
ubptgbot<Mathieu> Hello, i need help to unlock m'y Meizu Pro 5. My computer is un Ubuntu 17.10 and my computer don't know the Meizu when i touch in power + volume down. An idea. Please.  … I want to install ubports in Meizu . bye22:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Mathieu, Is it currently running Ubuntu on the Pro 5?22:40
ubptgbot<Mathieu> No. The Pro 5 is in Flyme22:45
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Mathieu, If you create a username in Telegram it is possible to invite you to other UBports groups, including install22:48
ubptgbot<dohbee> you will have to flash original Ubuntu Edition image on it before you can flash to ubports i think22:49
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @dohbee, Yes. SPflashtool but that should never be used without guidance as it can hard brick (destroy) the  phone22:50
ubptgbot<Mathieu86> @Stereofont, It's OK. I créateur an username.23:00
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Stereofont, I was wrong. MX4 yes, Pro5 no23:22

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