[01:13] <ubptgbot> Aghna_Barokah was added by: Aghna_Barokah
[02:14] <ubptgbot> M Williams was added by: M Williams
[02:15] <ubptgbot> <M Williams> Hello all. Flashed many devices before and I am now having a hard time using the installer to get Ubuntu touch on my nexus 5
[02:16] <ubptgbot> <M Williams> Is there an recent image that i can fastboot flash or do i have to use the  installer?
 @balcy, I have the ubports 1604 installed on my bq E5. If it s your daily phone, do not install yet, most of apps are not working yet
 @M Williams, It's not an android ROM so you can't flash with fastboot. You don't have to use the installer, you can use `ubuntu-device-flash` if you're on ubuntu
 you can boot from a live image to do it, too, if you're not, and without installing ubuntu
[02:48] <ubptgbot> <M Williams> thanks Rodney
 sure
 @Lyokanthrope, I didn't even know there was a dev mode. Or if I had, I'd forgotten it
 yeah uh in Settings > About > scroll to bottom > developer mode
 iirc ADB is disabled by default
[04:19] <ubptgbot> Yves Dehnen was added by: Yves Dehnen
[04:25] <ubptgbot> <Yves Dehnen> Hi everyone, just joined, installer did not work on Nexus 4 but managed to install Ubuntu touch with Ubuntu-device-flash
 Here's my handle
 e_z_tuxer
 @e_z_tuxer, Hi Yves, welcome. Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Hello Aghna Collection. May I ask what is your first language?  We have many different language groups here
 Also, anyone online whose first language is Polish?
 You can polish your language skills if you improve your Polish language skills
 @Mohannes, If that was English it would have been NSFW tongue twister.. if I understood it.
 it's not that NSFW tbh ;)
 well, maybe if you let urban dictionary do the translation
 @Stereofont, Africa only may be a bit too broad. You get Africa Lite and Africa Serious 😁 and on its own probably 20+ languages.. unless we all learn to speak Fanagalo
 hey I know you guys do provide video updates but I hope its ok to ask... are there any 'new' devices that can be used w/ ubports these days? I'm still using a nexus 5
 @JSJoubert, Try to pronounce it Jean. and record it on audio and put it here ;)
[08:49] <ubptgbot> ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை was added by: ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை
 @rogieroudshoorn, Only ever so slighlty on the verge. 😃
 @Mohannes, I will give it a go in a bit but my accent will be horrendous 😁
 @Christopher, Devs are working hard to port UBports to other devices than the usual ones. Take a look at https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement (Halium is a needed step to port UBports)
 @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Hi, you can get started here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 i see... it looks like those devices aren't quite ready for daily ubports usage yet
[08:54] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> gigaset qv1030 tablet i have i want load ubuntu touch
[08:55] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> ub ports not detecting
 That model is not ported
[08:56] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> any ideaes
[08:56] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> so not possible?
 Maybe is possible if someone works in that model
[08:58] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> devoloper mode enabled
[08:58] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> currently android kitkat
[08:58] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> they dint give update os
 have a look at http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices#/ to see all currently working devices
[09:03] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> so not possible
 @JSJoubert, Haha, the UBports Language Challenge!
 @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Just FYI there's also an Indian support group https://t.me/UBports_India
[09:14] <ubptgbot> cyanogenite was added by: cyanogenite
 @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Right now it is not possible. It may become possible, if you or someone did the porting. For porting information see https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
[09:15] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> [Edit] so now not possible
 @cyanogenite, Hi, welcome. Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
[09:15] <ubptgbot> <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> currently have kitkat update not available
 @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, The device you are looking is not ported!!
 @JSJoubert, I understand what you mean. 200 languages maybe. We have that issue with India too, so we chose an area group, rather than language based
 @technicalbird, How to port? Is it hard?
 So it's not possible to flash .. it won't detect your device!
 @cyanogenite, Depends on the device!! You can start with halium documentation!
 @Christopher, Check out the community port - Moto G2 Titan
 @technicalbird, Ohhhh, ok
 @cyanogenite, Is more entertaining and time-consuming than hard 😅
 @advocatux, Wow
 In what device are you interested?
 @advocatux, Redmi note 3 (kenzo)
 I am not sure if I will be able to port
 @advocatux, Can you give rough information what all is needed?
 @Stereofont, I understand. You may have a big divide between Southern,  awestern Nothern oor Eastern regions. But probably good idea for the people involved in the project to know who could be close to them to help with mentoring and development.
 @cyanogenite, Six months of banging your head against a wall in frustration
 @cyanogenite, First step is to port it to Halium https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/index.html Then UBports https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/
 @advocatux, Ohhhh, thanks, will see
 You're welcome 👍
 @JSJoubert, Maybe similar device availability, similar frustrations with internet connectivity, maybe more of a tight budget. In Europe, everything is so easy …
 I know. Being currently in the UK I regularly look at stuff in Africa (Gaming with my nephews) and simple.stuff like a gaming headset with mic is a huge chunk of money vs salary where here it is essentially a wim purchase
 Same with handset cost for a top end Samsung phone is the equivalent of a monthly salary gross of tax cash and on contract also unaffordable unless you have a high end job
 @JSJoubert, Exactly. It is nice to speculate about the OnePlusThree and HTC10 arriving but we must not lose sight of the need for more affordable options for Ubuntu Touch
 That is one reason why Blackberry did so well (at least SA) vs Europe the BIS was the first time you had an affordable mobile internet connection
 @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Nvidia chooser so that would be an 'interesting' challenge. It has only 1Gb RAM and reported to be very slow on Android. Probably it would struggle more on UT
 @JSJoubert, Do you know about the Serval group?  An independent device 'swarm' is especially interesting in that context
 @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, [Edit] Nvidia chipset so that would be an 'interesting' challenge. It has only 1Gb RAM and reported to be very slow on Android. Probably it would struggle more on UT
 No I don't. Or at least doesn't ring a bell. Let me go and see
 @JSJoubert, There is a UBports focus group @wayneoutthere
 So this is not it.. 😃 https://a-z-animals.com/animals/serval/
 https://t.me/UB_serval
 @advocatux, 👍
 Hey. On my M10, I haven't been able to connect to three different public WiFi hotspots lately, two of which are on buses. Figure it can't be a problem with them but rather the tablet, as my Pro 5 connected to one fine. How to fix?
 No password involved, just "do you agree to these conditions blah blah blah".
 Are you talking about Captive Portal login?
 IDK?
 I mean login to a wifi acces point using the web browser?
 Yes, exactly that, but no UN/PW involved.
 I remember a bug related to dnsmasq or something like that
 If you can point me to documentation for that, much appreciated.
 But I'm thinking about another possibility (user-agent string). Are your M10 and Pro5 running the same UBports version?
 Which of the two YouTube apps in openstore should I pick?
 https://open-store.io/app/youtube-web.mateo-salta
 It's better
 Best support, best navigation, etc
 But you can try both I decide for yourself 👍
 @advocatux, nice word play.  I approve (stamp gif)
 Ok, porting seems easy until cloning for halium
 In xenial on M10 started OpenStore. Could not see apps. When touching screen app became visible
 (Photo, 722x456) https://irc.ubports.com/hGsnWALk.png
 (Photo, 670x419) https://irc.ubports.com/vJwC2tDU.png
 Progress!
 xenial r47
 Is it working fine now?
 @wayneoutthere, Another mission for... Stampman!
 @TartanSpartan, Before the latest OTA there was ubuntu google open page on browser that changed to WiFi provider site to connect and accept the conditions, with duck duck this stoped working. Will investigate what are the settings now. Will come back.
 @TartanSpartan, [Edit] Before the latest OTA there was ubuntu google starting page on browser that changed to WiFi provider site to connect and accept the conditions, with duck duck this stoped working. Will investigate what are the settings now. Will come back.
 @TartanSpartan, You can navigate to 1.1.1.1 manually to be redirected in most cases
 The problem exists due to our friend HSTS, your phone is refusing to be redirected to an HTTP-only site from DDG
 You don't even need the HSTS header anymore, some browsers just remember
 But yeah, open any HTTP site
 Does example.com do tls
 Nope!
 @UniversalSuperBox, An orher good reason to replace DDG by Qwant wich is better in many way
[12:42] <ubptgbot> n0rbr was added by: n0rbr
 searx.me
 @libremax, Would not solve the problem
 @n0rbr, Hi norbr. Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thx Dalton
 @UniversalSuperBox, From Qwant my phone "phone is" Not "refusing to be redirected to an HTTP-only site"
 Can anyone help? Error while halium. … https://del.dog/ipomosuvin.sql
 @advocatux, Can you help?
 Share your error using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ Nobody's going  to click in a random link 😉
 [Edit] Share your error using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ Nobody's going  to click on a random link 😉
 @advocatux, Try, it's easier than Ubuntu paste!
 @advocatux, After selecting defconfig
 @advocatux, If u want I will give in Ubuntu paste
 If it's a Halium error you should ask in the Halium group
 @advocatux, it's not a random link, it's a self-hosted hastebin
 @cyanogenite, 1) post in @halium … 2) you have to open your defconfig (as written in docs) and edit the configs manually using a text editor (i.e. set `#CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER is unset` to `CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y`
 @cyanogenite, [Edit] 1) post in @halium … 2) you have to open your defconfig (as written in docs) and edit the configs manually using a text editor (i.e. set `#CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER is unset` to `CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y`)
 @advocatux, i pity you for supporting centralization. internet was supposed to be independent and federated
 @vanyasem, 😂😂 Ivan, you're really a funny guy 😂😂
 @vanyasem, Everywhere?
 @cyanogenite, at least every error
 warning are optional, but highly recommended to fix
 go to @halium damn you
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/rKyPumes.webp
 @vanyasem, Ok sir, thanks
 @advocatux, i meant this seriously
 i keep a small data-center at home to self-host services to support decentralization
 Me too. You're preaching to the choir
 hmm....   decentralization... I smell ... a new focus group! ;)
 How can UT improve decentralization?  I think ... we could/should start answering this.  Serval Project is one example.  Linphone can help... others?
 Someone is trying to win Bureaucrat of the Year award
 We can help ALL people with ALL things, buddy.  You are raining on my parade.  You are the cloud in my sunny day.  You are the scoop of sugar in my freshly roasted coffee.  GIT!
 UniversalSuperWayne
 😂 well I'll have lunch now disappears surreptitiously
 @redshaman, Android drains battery. Seriously, I had significantly better battery life on my bq Aquaris E5 with Ubuntu Touch. After installing Android life was shitty. (I was forced to switch to Android for WhatsApp; that's what wives do.) … To be fair, Android does a whole lot more in the background. But seriously, do I
[13:39] <ubptgbot> want my personal data be sent to Google servers in continuation in background? Neither in foreground I want that. But that's Android. Everybody loves it.
 not me
 "(I was forced to switch to Android for WhatsApp; that's what wives do.)" Better, you had forced yourself to accept that; otherwise, if you had got a gun in your neck, go to the police!
 @advocatux yes they are.
 @libremax, Testosterone driving you nuts is worse than a gun in your neck, haha! 😉
 @vanyasem, But you need federation too. How can I trust a domain I've never seen before to not be trying to serve me malware?
 @dohbee, fair enough, that's what librejs is for
 it's not usable in real world though, i agree
 i just sticked to strict uMatrix rules that block most of the JS and require manual whitelisting
 well and pastebin doesn't have federation, but yeah. just because you're the one that clicked the link, doesn't mean it's not a random link. whenever i see "random domain with hash for path" it's not a good sign. usually url shortners or such, which tend to be bad.
 it's not that insecure if you have JS and redirects disabled :P
 i opened the link and noticed it's hastebin. i whitelisted the hastebin script and it worked
 @Stereofont, I would say not possible if it's a Tegra. For reference see the 2012 Nexus 7 (grouper). Maybe could port the base halium bits and use it for a headless media server or something, but likely not a fully enabled graphical system
 @vanyasem, Which on the modern web is roughly equivalent to just not clicking links, since pretty much nothing is usable at that point. :-/
 @dohbee, i just spent a week whitelisting rules on sites i use, which was a pain, but worked
 sites i use are whitelisted and random crap doesn't get in the way
 most of my stuff except stackoverflow and youtube are self-hosted :P
 [Edit] most of my stuff except stackoverflow and youtube is self-hosted :P
 @Stereofont, Hah, a group for the whole of Africa doesn't make sense. Maybe one for SA, one for Egypt, etc. India is one country. Africa is an entire continent which can fit all of Asia, Europe, and the US within it.
 (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/FHqQ7h1x.png
 (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/PPlo4lLa.png
 (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/8p1MMLwv.png
 My Nexus4 is alive again! Woohoo 😎
 I just realize that Telegram voice messages is playing from the mic speakers of the N5 @Flohack
 "speakers"
 @dohbee as in can fit all of their landmasses combined inside it's landmass?
 @UniversalSuperBox sorry broheime but that idea didn't pan out. @advocatux linked me to an AskUbuntu discussion about basically the same bug. It suggested using a different browser to log in to the captive network thingamajig and so Firefox indeed worked. Down to try and find other fixes, though.
 @milkor73 therefore, I will be all ears when you test that :)
 @TartanSpartan, today very busy, pls give me time, I will test, I have already some feedback as I travel a lot and meet many public wifi on the route where I go
 @TartanSpartan i think not all of them, but most of them, anyway
 No problem.
 Rodney, yeah I was thinking, would probably have to depend on your definition of Asia, because it starts at Turkey and ends at various archipelagos north of Australia, in full totality.
 Finally i can test 16.04. Looking good so far..
 @samitormanen, welcome back.  N4 was really solid for me.
 @TartanSpartan, https://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/cartography
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/cZGAnRWX.mp4
 not my, your one Sami, of course
 😁
 Xenial running quite good..
 Two sudden reboots already 😂
 I need to insert SIM and test calls and other things..
 Still a shafunk ton of Asia not there, but I'll admit, the way those nations all slot together is both interesting and impressive.
 @samitormanen, what about Telegram on it?
 telegram probably needs recompile
 @malditobastardo, What does that mean?
 @NotKit, Telegram starts fine but when i put phone number and press "done", nothing happens.. No confirmation message.
 @Flohack, Instead of playing the message from the headphones of the N5. It uses the loudspeakers
 @samitormanen, 16.04?
 @Flohack, I think he means it's playing via the external speaker rather than the voice call speaker. IOW, like "speakerphone"
 @malditobastardo, I cant do anything about this, must be the phones config. The App cannot select which Speaker to use I would say.
 @Flohack, Yes. N4.
 @Flohack, How does it work in dialer app?
 @samitormanen, Telegram is not ready for 16.04 - I dont know how can I communicate this. It needs recompilation, and unfortunately it has the worst build process of all Apps
 @dohbee, No idea ;)
 Someone might dig into both codebases and compare
 hmm, but if headphones are plugged in, it should play via headphone regardless
 yes. Also, I can imagine to listen to a Telegram voice message with the speakerphone thingie since I dont put my phone on the ear during using Telegram but OK
 That raises the point how people use their phones: Its totally different
 yeah
 usability is hard :)
 @Flohack, Yeah, I understand. I am just testing all kind of things. Still, very suprised how good it works at this moment. Very smooth.
 @Flohack, For me is ok but sometimes when you are in a noisy environment or when you need discretion is good to have the chance to listen from the earspeakers
 This same behavior happens by default with uMatriks
 Plus my nexus 5 speakers sounds horrible
 Distorted
 @dohbee, BTW dialer app is different, has a different confinement such. Just to have a look what is behind the handsfree button,
 Anyone volunteers?
 @Flohack, Well it's not confined at all I think (not even unconfined profile), but yeah. I don't think that part matters wrt audio profile though
 problem is i presume, that telegram is just always using media profile
 @dohbee, We could make s switch for that, but I need to know what to switch 😆
 exactly
 Rodney you nailed it
 Yesterday I was telling the same to cibersheep about the Linphone app
 same "issue"
 @Flohack, https://github.com/ubports/dialer-app/blob/xenial/src/qml/LiveCallPage/LiveCall.qml#L611
 Well thats the beginning of the rabbit hole
 This property is for sure handed down into some bckend code
 yes
 that was just a quick look to find the ui
 Yep but thx maybe I do it on the weekend
 Can I theme my terminal app?
 yep. i expect it's probably connected to some property in a c++ obj, that actually toggles the pulseaudio profile somehow
 @AmolithSeregion, there is a theme selection in the preferences no?
 @AmolithSeregion, Do you mean make your own theme? Because you can choose from a selection in configuration
 @dohbee, Manually theme, I'm sorry. I want to pick my own colours and such
 Yes, you can make your own theme, but there's no GUI to do so afaik.
 @AmolithSeregion, https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
 @AmolithSeregion, [Edit] Do you mean making your own theme? Because you can choose from a selection in configuration
 @dohbee, I've got that on my laptop. It's fun to play with
 i think there is some way to use themes from that, but i'm not entirely sure how exactly
 that app uses the same terminal widget as terminal-app does, anyway
 not sure if there's any documentation on how to theme though
 Hey guys do USB monitors work with convergence?
 @dohbee, Afaik always seems like an arabic name or something.
 who is this Afaik person?
 @wayneoutthere, Its the same with Scnr, seems to be from Poland or so.
[18:08] <ubptgbot> loic darling was added by: loic darling
 @loic darling, Hi loic, take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
[18:21] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> good evening to all I am new in the group, and also on telegram. my membership in this group is justified by the fact that I want to build a medical tablet based on the ubuntu touch OS. I want to start with the installation of the system under raspberry pi but the fact is that it is impossible, I really want your help compared,
[18:21] <ubptgbot>  I want you to show me a step to follow for the realization of my project, even having godfathers ..
 this sounds... intense. :)
 my heart is pounding.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rM9UqaKU.mp4
 @loic darling, all joking aside, we are here to help
[18:28] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> @wayneoutthere, ok.
 @Fuseteam, No
 you'd have to install a normalish ubuntu, and then install the unity8 session on top of it, on rpi
 there are some differences between what that is, and what ubuntu-touch is though
 @loic darling, What hardware do you have in mind?
[18:35] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> I look a lot more at an ARM architecture, because of the accessibility in my region the other architecture is easily accessible here as a single board,
 But currently we do not have many choices regarding tablets
[18:40] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> je suis du cameroun et avoir accès à d'autre type de proccesseur c'est pas facile.
[18:41] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> I am from Cameroon and have access to other types of proccesseur is not easy.
[18:41] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> sorry
 Ok hmm.. Hardware is the key, though, even if you got a good prototype, what will be the final hardware?
 currently the way the full ubuntu-touch stack works is tied pretty tightly to having the android HAL in a container underneath
[18:46] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> @Flohack, it will depend on a thorough analysis. can you offer me? my goal first is the prototype then the rest will come.
 @loic darling, No sorry, we cannot do this easily. Currently no hardware vendor is producing a tablet which can run Ubuntu Touch. You need to find an Android tablet and try to port UT for it. Thats the only option
 "medical tablet" is also kind of vague. does that mean just building some apps on top? or adding new features to the core OS too? Perhaps removing some that are not needed in this use case, and that would be problematic?
[19:03] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> I'll go, develloperations on it, remove what is up and see how to add more functionality if possible.in fact that's what I want ....
 @loic darling, I think you go the wrong way. You want to gop top-down but that will cuase the most problems at the end. You need to go bootom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that
 @loic darling, [Edit] I think you go the wrong way. You want to go top-down but that will cuase the most problems at the end. You need to go bootom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that
 @loic darling, [Edit] I think you go the wrong way. You want to go top-down but that will cause the most problems at the end. You need to go bootom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that
 @loic darling, [Edit] I think you go the wrong way. You want to go top-down but that will cause the most problems at the end. You need to go bottom-up, ask yourself what is the proper hardware for that
[19:08] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> When you talk about hardware you are referring to the hardware archirecture to use?
 @loic darling, No I am referrring to the actual tablet
 You want to do this on only one device or many?
[19:13] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> one device
 Hmm then try to get hands on a BQ M10 tablet
 Its the only tablet that UT is compatible with atm
[19:15] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> ha ok
 @loic darling, Probably start with Ubuntu core I think, that runs on the pi, and there are mir snap demos I think
 https://developer.ubuntu.com/core/examples/snaps-on-mir
 @mateosalta, it requires ubuntu sso login and network connection to sync ssh key though, and probably a bit of a pain to build on top of
[19:51] <ubptgbot> Andrea Vergano was added by: Andrea Vergano
 The auto updating, and security wise might be a good fit for 'medical'
 Not sure what all he wants, will this hook up to monitoring devices, or be a record keeping appointment/diagnosis/records type of thing
 no idea
 but given the aforementioned description of device ability in that location seems like network availability would also be quite thin
 @Andrea Vergano, Hi Andrea, take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
[20:49] <ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> Short information to everyone using ubports installer on osx and trying to install ubuntu touch on a nexus 5: I failed using version 0.1.11-beta, but 0.1.5-beta seems to work. Good luck!
[21:03] <ubptgbot> Zetarancio was added by: Zetarancio
 @Zetarancio, Welcome Alessandro! Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started!
 does anyone know why `ubuntu-push-client` would fail to start with this error:
 ``` root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet/.cache/upstart# tail -f ubuntu-push-client.log  … 2018/03/09 22:10:50.106941 ERROR Information failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory: Launcher could not run (out of memory)```
 despite what it may look like, the device has more than sufficient memory
 ```             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached … Mem:          886M       832M        53M       2.1M        13M       352M … -/+ buffers/cache:       466M       419M … Swap:           0B         0B         0B```
 on 15.04? (and why are you root?)
 15.04, yes
 i'm root because i wrote adb shell and it gave me a root prompt. not sure why
 Whoa! What device?
 that sounds bad
 titan (moto g2)
 Oh.
 i know it's a community device
 Probably compiled with `eng`
 but i'm actually interested in developing for ubuntu touch again - it's been a long time - and it's the only device i've got handy that's currently support
 [Edit] but i'm actually interested in developing for ubuntu touch again - it's been a long time - and it's the only device i've got handy that's currently supported
 you don't have much free memory
 Hmm, I think Walid is asleep right now, but maybe he has the answer to your ubuntu-push-client problem
 419 MB seems more than enough for a push daemon
 i dropped all caches just in case, and it's still doing the same thing
 hmm, does 15.04 `free` not have the `available` bit?
 i guess not - what even is that?
 the value of how much is available so you don't have to do math in your head
 it's not in 7proc/meminfo either
 [Edit] it's not in /proc/meminfo either
 anyway, i think i have more than enough memory for the push daemon because i don't have any apps running
 and i can start up like three different apps and the OOM killer won't get rid of any of them
 what about ulimit?
 is something set with ulimit maybe?
 seems normal to me
 https://paste2.org/c6vev3eO
 hmm
 i ran it as non-root just in case and i get the same results
 if you `su` to phablet, and run `start ubuntu-push-client` does it start?
 unknown job
 i actually tried that earlier
 huh
 Yep, that happens when you need to switch to phablet.
 aha
 i'll just grab a terminal app then
 Can you run that from the phone's terminal instead?
 yep
 what if you just run `/usr/lib/ubuntu-push-client/ubuntu-push-client` directly?
 well i did say to `su` to phablet first ;)
 i did su to phablet first
 @dohbee, Right, but you can't always use upstart's scripts the same way when you do that.
 Same thing happens if you get a shell before `lightdm` actually starts
 oh, because the env is empty or something?
 Seems like it
 unix sucks
 i did stop/start:
 - A Unix developer, 2018
 [Edit] i did stop/start
 same errors
 that is so weird
 weird
 @GranPC, Actually it seems not a problem of push client but rather of dbus
 i thought of that, but i don't see anything interesting in the dbus logs
 @UniversalSuperBox, we could do a stream where we just sort of talk about how everything sucks
 i hear you can get sponsors for that sort of thing
 for what it's worth, this appears in the logfile after a reboot
 ```2018/03/09 22:07:36.809167 INFO connectivity check passed. … 2018/03/09 22:07:37.410850 ERROR Information failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory: Launcher could not run (out of memory) … 2018/03/09 22:07:37 unable to start: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoMemory: Launcher could not run (out of memory) … 2018/03/09 22:07:40.55425
[21:27] <ubptgbot> 0 INFO connectivity check passed.```
 then it never appears again
 that sounds like ubuntu-push-client is running, but it can't launch something else
 i actually thought that, but then i noticed it's a different pid every time
 what, i do not know though
 @dohbee, i tried thsi btw
 it just shows the same error, but in stdout
 well, maybe it's something which is necessary for it to function, and then dies because of that
 (well, maybe stderr. dunno!)
 yeah, maybe
 but i've never seen that happen before
 so uh, yeah :-/
 me neither, and I've run ubuntu touch on a few different devieces
 (including one i self-ported!)
 maybe I'll just switch to 16.04 and see if it happens there. if not, maybe i can help develop 16.04
[21:34] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Hey guys, I have a question, I have ubports booting with halium-boot, but I can't get the GUI, I followed the instructions that say to use systemctl which as expected doesn't work, and lxc-android-config gives a file not found error, what should I be entering?
 @GranPC, Does notification work?
 no, they don't. that's what led to me to look at the ubuntu-push-client logs :)
 connectivity check passed is normally enough to check if its working. anything else in the logs?
 nope
 only that + the error messages repeated every few seconds
 ah ok so its repeating?
 yes
 because the process crashes, then it gets restarted by upstart, then it crashes again
 err, wait, the g2 isn't a halium/16.04 device?!
 I don't think it runs on halium
 but it can run 16.04 - I was actually running it a few hours ago
 https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-titan-t3608846
 @dohbee, It's ubp-5.1, the port was started before Halium was a thing
 oh
 It runs 16.04
 @dohbee, We are struggling to create anything. It would be a starting point, though I meant Africa minus Arabic speakers
 @UniversalSuperBox, sure, i was more confused about it running 15.04
 the developer started working on it in 2014
 and then for some reason he went back to it in 2017
 I dunno, I'll try wiping the whole thing and reinstalling 16.04
 sure. i started on all this stuff in i guess 2013
 it's probably a dumb idea to develop for 15.04 anyway
 @GranPC, well, what are you wanting to develop?
 apps
 I wouldn't mind contributing to the system itself or core apps either
 I'll probably start out with some simple issues on core apps on github
 pure qml apps should run fine on either,
 or html5 apps too i guess
 probs not gonna be pure qml apps, I want to make a chrome remote desktop client
 not interested in html5 apps
 lol
 native or bust
 @Flohack, Also 2013 Nexus 7
 @Stereofont, 2013 Nexus 7 wifi (flo - early models)
 or something
 flo is all wifi models, deb is the lte model
 they changed the partitioning on flo
 so it doesn't install properly on latter models
 yes, but they changed the flash later and it broke stuff
 it is possible to repartition them
 oh
 My bad
 I wasn't aware of that
 That's...dumb
 also there's razor which is a rev of deb i think
 no, they have two names
 (device name and product name. some weird stuff going on!)
 I wonder if I can still find n7 2013's floating around
 yes
 i still have mine
 oh yeah there's a bunch on swappa
 it doesn't run ubports though. only canonical touch
 i still have touch installed on it
 @GranPC, you sound like @KrisJacewicz 😆
 i just put 15.04 back on my nexus 4
 nah
 @Flohack, to be fair though... native apps are already a little slow
 html5 apps aren't any better :)
 they're not all slow
 Actually things are much speedier on 16.04. Like magic.
 oh, I know! it felt a lot nicer to use
 can confirm, 16.04 when I tried it on the nexus 5 was much nicer feeling
 I'm not sure why I switched to 15
 I couldn't daily drive it without a working telegram app at least though 😷
 [Edit] I couldn't daily drive it without a working telegram app at least though
 @Tygerpro Tygerpro, You are in the porting group?
 [Edit] I couldn't daily drive it without a working telegram app at least though :x
 oh sound wasn't working, that was it
[22:06] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Not that I know of
 I can add you if you'd like
 Wait, no, you have a username set. PM?
[22:07] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Meaning you PM me?
 Right
[22:08] <ubptgbot> <Tygerpro Tygerpro> Sure, dunno if it works on my phone though
 Totally hyped for tomorrow afternoon, when I'm gonna arive at the Chemnitzer Linux Days 😍
 First time for me to attend such an event. No idea really what to expect besides the talks.
 Also there are either very few others attending from this community or we are just exceptionally little interested in making a date for a small community meetup 😁 probably normal though
 Hello, i need help to unlock m'y Meizu Pro 5. My computer is un Ubuntu 17.10 and my computer don't know the Meizu when i touch in power + volume down. An idea. Please.  … I want to install ubports in Meizu . bye
 @Mathieu, Is it currently running Ubuntu on the Pro 5?
 No. The Pro 5 is in Flyme
 @Mathieu, If you create a username in Telegram it is possible to invite you to other UBports groups, including install
 you will have to flash original Ubuntu Edition image on it before you can flash to ubports i think
 @dohbee, Yes. SPflashtool but that should never be used without guidance as it can hard brick (destroy) the  phone
 @Stereofont, It's OK. I créateur an username.
 @Stereofont, I was wrong. MX4 yes, Pro5 no