[01:13] Aghna_Barokah was added by: Aghna_Barokah [02:14] M Williams was added by: M Williams [02:15] Hello all. Flashed many devices before and I am now having a hard time using the installer to get Ubuntu touch on my nexus 5 [02:16] Is there an recent image that i can fastboot flash or do i have to use the installer? [02:18] @balcy, I have the ubports 1604 installed on my bq E5. If it s your daily phone, do not install yet, most of apps are not working yet [02:40] @M Williams, It's not an android ROM so you can't flash with fastboot. You don't have to use the installer, you can use `ubuntu-device-flash` if you're on ubuntu [02:40] you can boot from a live image to do it, too, if you're not, and without installing ubuntu [02:48] thanks Rodney [02:56] sure [03:55] @Lyokanthrope, I didn't even know there was a dev mode. Or if I had, I'd forgotten it [04:07] yeah uh in Settings > About > scroll to bottom > developer mode [04:07] iirc ADB is disabled by default [04:19] Yves Dehnen was added by: Yves Dehnen [04:25] Hi everyone, just joined, installer did not work on Nexus 4 but managed to install Ubuntu touch with Ubuntu-device-flash [05:10] Here's my handle [05:11] e_z_tuxer [07:07] @e_z_tuxer, Hi Yves, welcome. Take a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:53] Hello Aghna Collection. May I ask what is your first language? We have many different language groups here [07:53] Also, anyone online whose first language is Polish? [08:28] You can polish your language skills if you improve your Polish language skills [08:41] @Mohannes, If that was English it would have been NSFW tongue twister.. if I understood it. [08:44] it's not that NSFW tbh ;) [08:44] well, maybe if you let urban dictionary do the translation [08:45] @Stereofont, Africa only may be a bit too broad. You get Africa Lite and Africa Serious 😁 and on its own probably 20+ languages.. unless we all learn to speak Fanagalo [08:45] hey I know you guys do provide video updates but I hope its ok to ask... are there any 'new' devices that can be used w/ ubports these days? I'm still using a nexus 5 [08:48] @JSJoubert, Try to pronounce it Jean. and record it on audio and put it here ;) [08:49] ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை was added by: ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை [08:49] @rogieroudshoorn, Only ever so slighlty on the verge. 😃 [08:50] @Mohannes, I will give it a go in a bit but my accent will be horrendous 😁 [08:51] @Christopher, Devs are working hard to port UBports to other devices than the usual ones. Take a look at https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement (Halium is a needed step to port UBports) [08:52] @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Hi, you can get started here https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome [08:52] i see... it looks like those devices aren't quite ready for daily ubports usage yet [08:54] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> gigaset qv1030 tablet i have i want load ubuntu touch [08:55] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> ub ports not detecting [08:56] That model is not ported [08:56] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> any ideaes [08:56] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> so not possible? [08:57] Maybe is possible if someone works in that model [08:58] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> devoloper mode enabled [08:58] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> currently android kitkat [08:58] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> they dint give update os [08:59] have a look at http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices#/ to see all currently working devices [09:03] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> so not possible [09:05] @JSJoubert, Haha, the UBports Language Challenge! [09:07] @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Just FYI there's also an Indian support group https://t.me/UBports_India [09:14] cyanogenite was added by: cyanogenite [09:14] @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Right now it is not possible. It may become possible, if you or someone did the porting. For porting information see https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html [09:15] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> [Edit] so now not possible [09:15] @cyanogenite, Hi, welcome. Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed [09:15] <ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை> currently have kitkat update not available [09:17] @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, The device you are looking is not ported!! [09:17] @JSJoubert, I understand what you mean. 200 languages maybe. We have that issue with India too, so we chose an area group, rather than language based [09:17] @technicalbird, How to port? Is it hard? [09:17] So it's not possible to flash .. it won't detect your device! [09:18] @cyanogenite, Depends on the device!! You can start with halium documentation! [09:18] @Christopher, Check out the community port - Moto G2 Titan [09:19] @technicalbird, Ohhhh, ok [09:20] @cyanogenite, Is more entertaining and time-consuming than hard 😅 [09:21] @advocatux, Wow [09:21] In what device are you interested? [09:22] @advocatux, Redmi note 3 (kenzo) [09:22] I am not sure if I will be able to port [09:23] @advocatux, Can you give rough information what all is needed? [09:23] @Stereofont, I understand. You may have a big divide between Southern, awestern Nothern oor Eastern regions. But probably good idea for the people involved in the project to know who could be close to them to help with mentoring and development. [09:26] @cyanogenite, Six months of banging your head against a wall in frustration [09:26] @cyanogenite, First step is to port it to Halium https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/index.html Then UBports https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/ [09:27] @advocatux, Ohhhh, thanks, will see [09:28] You're welcome 👍 [09:29] @JSJoubert, Maybe similar device availability, similar frustrations with internet connectivity, maybe more of a tight budget. In Europe, everything is so easy … [09:33] I know. Being currently in the UK I regularly look at stuff in Africa (Gaming with my nephews) and simple.stuff like a gaming headset with mic is a huge chunk of money vs salary where here it is essentially a wim purchase [09:35] Same with handset cost for a top end Samsung phone is the equivalent of a monthly salary gross of tax cash and on contract also unaffordable unless you have a high end job [09:36] @JSJoubert, Exactly. It is nice to speculate about the OnePlusThree and HTC10 arriving but we must not lose sight of the need for more affordable options for Ubuntu Touch [09:39] That is one reason why Blackberry did so well (at least SA) vs Europe the BIS was the first time you had an affordable mobile internet connection [09:41] @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, Nvidia chooser so that would be an 'interesting' challenge. It has only 1Gb RAM and reported to be very slow on Android. Probably it would struggle more on UT [09:43] @JSJoubert, Do you know about the Serval group? An independent device 'swarm' is especially interesting in that context [09:44] @ச இராமச்சந்திரன் பிள்ளை, [Edit] Nvidia chipset so that would be an 'interesting' challenge. It has only 1Gb RAM and reported to be very slow on Android. Probably it would struggle more on UT [09:47] No I don't. Or at least doesn't ring a bell. Let me go and see [09:48] @JSJoubert, There is a UBports focus group @wayneoutthere [09:49] So this is not it.. 😃 https://a-z-animals.com/animals/serval/ [09:53] https://t.me/UB_serval [10:56] @advocatux, 👍 [11:03] Hey. On my M10, I haven't been able to connect to three different public WiFi hotspots lately, two of which are on buses. Figure it can't be a problem with them but rather the tablet, as my Pro 5 connected to one fine. How to fix? [11:03] No password involved, just "do you agree to these conditions blah blah blah". [11:10] Are you talking about Captive Portal login? [11:10] IDK? [11:12] I mean login to a wifi acces point using the web browser? [11:12] Yes, exactly that, but no UN/PW involved. [11:13] I remember a bug related to dnsmasq or something like that [11:15] If you can point me to documentation for that, much appreciated. [11:17] But I'm thinking about another possibility (user-agent string). Are your M10 and Pro5 running the same UBports version? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:46] Which of the two YouTube apps in openstore should I pick? [11:54] https://open-store.io/app/youtube-web.mateo-salta [11:55] It's better [11:55] Best support, best navigation, etc [11:55] But you can try both I decide for yourself 👍 [12:05] @advocatux, nice word play. I approve (stamp gif) [12:14] Ok, porting seems easy until cloning for halium [12:19] In xenial on M10 started OpenStore. Could not see apps. When touching screen app became visible [12:19] (Photo, 722x456) https://irc.ubports.com/hGsnWALk.png [12:19] (Photo, 670x419) https://irc.ubports.com/vJwC2tDU.png [12:20] Progress! [12:20] xenial r47 [12:22] Is it working fine now? [12:23] @wayneoutthere, Another mission for... Stampman! [12:29] @TartanSpartan, Before the latest OTA there was ubuntu google open page on browser that changed to WiFi provider site to connect and accept the conditions, with duck duck this stoped working. Will investigate what are the settings now. Will come back. [12:30] @TartanSpartan, [Edit] Before the latest OTA there was ubuntu google starting page on browser that changed to WiFi provider site to connect and accept the conditions, with duck duck this stoped working. Will investigate what are the settings now. Will come back. [12:37] @TartanSpartan, You can navigate to 1.1.1.1 manually to be redirected in most cases [12:38] The problem exists due to our friend HSTS, your phone is refusing to be redirected to an HTTP-only site from DDG [12:39] You don't even need the HSTS header anymore, some browsers just remember [12:39] But yeah, open any HTTP site [12:39] Does example.com do tls [12:40] Nope! [12:41] @UniversalSuperBox, An orher good reason to replace DDG by Qwant wich is better in many way [12:42] n0rbr was added by: n0rbr [12:43] searx.me [12:45] @libremax, Would not solve the problem [12:45] @n0rbr, Hi norbr. Take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started [12:46] @UniversalSuperBox, Thx Dalton [12:48] @UniversalSuperBox, From Qwant my phone "phone is" Not "refusing to be redirected to an HTTP-only site" [13:00] Can anyone help? Error while halium. … https://del.dog/ipomosuvin.sql [13:01] @advocatux, Can you help? [13:02] Share your error using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ Nobody's going to click in a random link 😉 [13:02] [Edit] Share your error using https://paste.ubuntu.com/ Nobody's going to click on a random link 😉 [13:03] @advocatux, Try, it's easier than Ubuntu paste! [13:03] @advocatux, After selecting defconfig [13:03] @advocatux, If u want I will give in Ubuntu paste [13:05] If it's a Halium error you should ask in the Halium group [13:08] @advocatux, it's not a random link, it's a self-hosted hastebin [13:09] @cyanogenite, 1) post in @halium … 2) you have to open your defconfig (as written in docs) and edit the configs manually using a text editor (i.e. set `#CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER is unset` to `CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y` [13:09] @cyanogenite, [Edit] 1) post in @halium … 2) you have to open your defconfig (as written in docs) and edit the configs manually using a text editor (i.e. set `#CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER is unset` to `CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y`) [13:10] @advocatux, i pity you for supporting centralization. internet was supposed to be independent and federated [13:11] @vanyasem, 😂😂 Ivan, you're really a funny guy 😂😂 [13:11] @vanyasem, Everywhere? [13:11] @cyanogenite, at least every error [13:11] warning are optional, but highly recommended to fix [13:11] go to @halium damn you [13:12] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/rKyPumes.webp [13:12] @vanyasem, Ok sir, thanks [13:12] @advocatux, i meant this seriously [13:13] i keep a small data-center at home to self-host services to support decentralization [13:15] Me too. You're preaching to the choir [13:18] hmm.... decentralization... I smell ... a new focus group! ;) [13:19] How can UT improve decentralization? I think ... we could/should start answering this. Serval Project is one example. Linphone can help... others? [13:19] Someone is trying to win Bureaucrat of the Year award [13:27] We can help ALL people with ALL things, buddy. You are raining on my parade. You are the cloud in my sunny day. You are the scoop of sugar in my freshly roasted coffee. GIT! [13:34] UniversalSuperWayne [13:34] 😂 well I'll have lunch now disappears surreptitiously [13:39] @redshaman, Android drains battery. Seriously, I had significantly better battery life on my bq Aquaris E5 with Ubuntu Touch. After installing Android life was shitty. (I was forced to switch to Android for WhatsApp; that's what wives do.) … To be fair, Android does a whole lot more in the background. But seriously, do I [13:39] want my personal data be sent to Google servers in continuation in background? Neither in foreground I want that. But that's Android. Everybody loves it. [13:43] not me [14:02] "(I was forced to switch to Android for WhatsApp; that's what wives do.)" Better, you had forced yourself to accept that; otherwise, if you had got a gun in your neck, go to the police! [14:21] @advocatux yes they are. [14:33] @libremax, Testosterone driving you nuts is worse than a gun in your neck, haha! 😉 [14:35] @vanyasem, But you need federation too. How can I trust a domain I've never seen before to not be trying to serve me malware? [14:36] @dohbee, fair enough, that's what librejs is for [14:36] it's not usable in real world though, i agree [14:36] i just sticked to strict uMatrix rules that block most of the JS and require manual whitelisting [14:38] well and pastebin doesn't have federation, but yeah. just because you're the one that clicked the link, doesn't mean it's not a random link. whenever i see "random domain with hash for path" it's not a good sign. usually url shortners or such, which tend to be bad. [14:39] it's not that insecure if you have JS and redirects disabled :P [14:39] i opened the link and noticed it's hastebin. i whitelisted the hastebin script and it worked [14:39] @Stereofont, I would say not possible if it's a Tegra. For reference see the 2012 Nexus 7 (grouper). Maybe could port the base halium bits and use it for a headless media server or something, but likely not a fully enabled graphical system [14:40] @vanyasem, Which on the modern web is roughly equivalent to just not clicking links, since pretty much nothing is usable at that point. :-/ [14:41] @dohbee, i just spent a week whitelisting rules on sites i use, which was a pain, but worked [14:41] sites i use are whitelisted and random crap doesn't get in the way [14:42] most of my stuff except stackoverflow and youtube are self-hosted :P [14:42] [Edit] most of my stuff except stackoverflow and youtube is self-hosted :P [14:44] @Stereofont, Hah, a group for the whole of Africa doesn't make sense. Maybe one for SA, one for Egypt, etc. India is one country. Africa is an entire continent which can fit all of Asia, Europe, and the US within it. [14:50] (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/FHqQ7h1x.png [14:50] (Photo, 2560x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/PPlo4lLa.png [14:50] (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/8p1MMLwv.png [14:51] My Nexus4 is alive again! Woohoo 😎 [14:52] I just realize that Telegram voice messages is playing from the mic speakers of the N5 @Flohack [14:53] "speakers" [14:58] @dohbee as in can fit all of their landmasses combined inside it's landmass? [15:00] @UniversalSuperBox sorry broheime but that idea didn't pan out. @advocatux linked me to an AskUbuntu discussion about basically the same bug. It suggested using a different browser to log in to the captive network thingamajig and so Firefox indeed worked. Down to try and find other fixes, though. [15:01] @milkor73 therefore, I will be all ears when you test that :) [15:02] @TartanSpartan, today very busy, pls give me time, I will test, I have already some feedback as I travel a lot and meet many public wifi on the route where I go [15:02] @TartanSpartan i think not all of them, but most of them, anyway [15:03] No problem. [15:04] Rodney, yeah I was thinking, would probably have to depend on your definition of Asia, because it starts at Turkey and ends at various archipelagos north of Australia, in full totality. [15:05] Finally i can test 16.04. Looking good so far.. [15:07] @samitormanen, welcome back. N4 was really solid for me. [15:07] @TartanSpartan, https://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2010/11/cartography [15:12] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/cZGAnRWX.mp4 [15:12] not my, your one Sami, of course [15:14] 😁 [15:15] Xenial running quite good.. [15:15] Two sudden reboots already 😂 [15:16] I need to insert SIM and test calls and other things.. [15:26] Still a shafunk ton of Asia not there, but I'll admit, the way those nations all slot together is both interesting and impressive. [15:53] @samitormanen, what about Telegram on it? [15:53] telegram probably needs recompile [16:09] @malditobastardo, What does that mean? [16:12] @NotKit, Telegram starts fine but when i put phone number and press "done", nothing happens.. No confirmation message. [16:14] @Flohack, Instead of playing the message from the headphones of the N5. It uses the loudspeakers [16:15] @samitormanen, 16.04? [16:15] @Flohack, I think he means it's playing via the external speaker rather than the voice call speaker. IOW, like "speakerphone" [16:15] @malditobastardo, I cant do anything about this, must be the phones config. The App cannot select which Speaker to use I would say. [16:15] @Flohack, Yes. N4. [16:15] @Flohack, How does it work in dialer app? [16:16] @samitormanen, Telegram is not ready for 16.04 - I dont know how can I communicate this. It needs recompilation, and unfortunately it has the worst build process of all Apps [16:16] @dohbee, No idea ;) [16:16] Someone might dig into both codebases and compare [16:16] hmm, but if headphones are plugged in, it should play via headphone regardless [16:17] yes. Also, I can imagine to listen to a Telegram voice message with the speakerphone thingie since I dont put my phone on the ear during using Telegram but OK [16:17] That raises the point how people use their phones: Its totally different [16:18] yeah [16:18] usability is hard :) [16:19]