[07:38] <kenvandine> willcooke!
[07:39] <kenvandine> seb128!
[07:39] <kenvandine> seb128, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/userd/ui/zenity.go
[07:43] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[07:44] <willcooke> duflu, are you around if we get started a bit early?
[07:44] <didrocks> good morning
[07:44] <duflu> willcooke, yes and no. Working on the google doc for a bit
[07:44] <duflu> Hang on
[07:46] <duflu> willcooke, yes. Let me know when.
[07:47] <willcooke> duflu, didrocks  - lemme just see if I can resolve the audio
[07:50] <willcooke> duflu, didrocks ok, in the hangout now... https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/desktop-team?authuser=0
[07:51]  * duflu has to grab and set up the peripherals
[08:01] <seb128> jbicha, when I talked about meson 0.45 with Jussi he wrote that
    Well it is an LTS so it might make sense to have 0.44.1 in there because 0.45.0 will probably have regressions.
    It has a _ton_ of features.
[08:02] <seb128> jbicha, in any case you need a ffe for that update
[08:04] <seb128> jbicha, bug #1754578
[08:04] <ubot5`> bug 1754578 in meson (Ubuntu) "New meson version including features uploaded without ffe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754578
[08:08] <willcooke> duflu, speaking of libinput: https://t.co/1br5Jb40ZP
[08:08] <willcooke> also for lols:https://twitter.com/zygoon/status/971872430015877126
[08:08] <duflu> willcooke, yeah you will see I answered that one
[08:10] <seb128> duflu, tjaalton, should we sync 1.10.2 from Debian?
[08:10] <tjaalton> yes
[08:10] <duflu> seb128, it usually happens quickly
[08:10] <duflu> (thanks tjaalton)
[08:11] <seb128> duflu, well, the new one is in Debian but we stopped doing autosyncs at this point of the cycle so it's a manual decision now
[08:11] <duflu> seb128, yeah it looks like we may need to even consider 1.11 depending on whether some fixes get into 1.10.x
[08:11] <seb128> tjaalton, duflu, unsure if we consider "      Introduce omnidirectional (elliptical) hysteresis" as a feature that requires a ffe
[08:11] <duflu> Wait and see when those fixes exist in a single branch
[08:12] <tjaalton> I still hope to see some sort of help to thinkpads trackpoints, they're pretty much unusable OOTB :/
[08:12] <duflu> seb128, it's a fix really, with a bug entry
[08:13] <seb128> k
[08:14] <duflu> I'm already thinking bionic will need 1.10.3 ... 1.11 or something
[08:14] <duflu> later
[08:15] <seb128> duflu, well, we can start with .2 to at least fix that crash bug
[08:15] <duflu> seb128, yeah. Basically AFAIK the right code exists in master
[08:21] <willcooke> thanks duflu
[08:22] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm not sure we have enough free cycles to work on https://trello.com/c/XSHSCayy/86-separate-unity-settings-daemon-monitors-settings-and-migrate-scaling-settings before bionic is out
[08:23] <Trevinho> seb128: first part of it is a quick thing I'll do it in u-s-d
[08:28] <seb128> let's discuss/see what other priorities we have
[08:30] <duflu> Yes, just checked. The "final" touchpad fixes landed on master a little after 1.10.2 happened
[08:33] <duflu> In other news, anyone? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/664748
[08:35] <willcooke> didrocks, duflu was the audio any better generally?
[08:36] <duflu> willcooke, worse I think
[08:36] <willcooke> :(
[08:36]  * willcooke scraps that plan
[08:36] <didrocks> well, at least, we can hear everyone
[08:36] <seb128> duflu, is that https://launchpad.net/bluez ?
[08:36] <duflu> seb128, I think it was yes
[08:36] <didrocks> even if the quality itself was worse, it was possible to hear them and understand
[08:36] <didrocks> which is a plus IMHO :)
[08:37] <seb128> duflu, try asking on #launchpad / to cwatson
[08:37] <duflu> seb128, nevermind. I really didn't need another context switch. Was just reminded by email that the question expired (and the "official" docs told me to make it a question IIRC)
[08:38] <duflu> Plus Colin usually responds to my LP questions, eventually
[08:40] <duflu> tjaalton, sorry I keep forgetting I have TrackPoint. But at the same time, whot needs a holiday from me
[08:43] <tjaalton> duflu: heh, well I've been toying with the udev rules but haven't found anything to match what it was before
[08:45] <tjaalton> there's a bug upstream (gnome) about adding a slider for trackpoints to g-c-c
[08:45] <duflu> tjaalton, oh so the setting exists, just no gui?
[08:46] <duflu> That said, libinput is aiming for sane defaults, so the default being unusable is still a bug
[08:46] <tjaalton> it's sane for t440
[08:47] <tjaalton> just not for *50 and up
[08:47] <tjaalton> https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/trackpoints.html
[08:47] <tjaalton> https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/udev_config.html#hwdb_modifying
[08:48] <duflu> tjaalton, indeed. Do you know the change to make? Or just pointing out where to make it?
[08:48] <duflu> libinput 1.10.2 got a similar tweak for Apple Magic Trackpad
[08:49] <tjaalton> nope, it's in the code but haven't looked deeper, just tested hwdb quirks for now
[08:50] <duflu> tjaalton, if you have a quirk that works, that same text file exists in the source tree. Just propose a patch
[08:50] <tjaalton> ok
[08:51] <duflu> Although I'm not sure all parameters are yet tweakable
[08:51] <duflu> quirk-able
[09:07] <Laney> tjaalton: hi, any chance you can cherry-pick a309323328d9d6e0bf5d9ea1d75920e53b9beef3 for xorg-server please?
[09:07] <Laney> I think it's the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1748926 but the symptom for me is that it broke X ...
[09:07] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1748926 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "From 1.19.6 on, X treats every device as an input device" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:08] <tjaalton> ah that
[09:09] <tjaalton> was hoping for 1.19.7 to arrive by now, I'll add that next week
[09:10] <Laney> this was a bit annoying, I was trying to present and screen share but couldn't get on an X session to do that
[09:11] <tjaalton> "oops"
[09:12] <tjaalton> literally
[09:12] <Laney> :-)
[09:13] <Laney> dev release fun
[09:13] <Laney> jbicha: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tYqWwsqkT3/
[09:13] <Laney> looks like I forgot to fish it out of my stash and push it
[09:13] <Laney> would have made some aspects of the demo easier
[09:26] <darkxst> hey desktopers!
[09:30] <darkxst> Laney, I have used gbp quite a bit over the years, but how will it scale with debian/ubuntu using different brnaches and repos?
[09:36] <darkxst> will there be a delta on every gbp.conf file in packages?
[10:26] <didrocks> jibel: another ubiquity MR for you :) (will still need a FFe if we don't have it yet): https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/intall-metrics/+merge/341229
[10:26] <didrocks> unsure still how to run autopilot tests though to adjust tests
[10:27] <didrocks> I had to revert the previous commit to make it unstalable in my tests
[10:27] <jbicha> Laney: thanks. I found debian-tag based on what you said
[10:29] <jbicha> seb128: oh oops about meson. last cycle we had reason to need newer meson versions since GNOME was needing new features, but I regretted syncing after I pressed the button
[10:30] <seb128> jbicha, should have blocked in it proposed so we could have deleted it :/
[10:30] <jbicha> now that we're on meson 0.45, do we expect that anything is broken though?
[10:30] <seb128> now we need a revert
[10:30] <seb128> well we have a process
[10:30] <seb128> either we need a ffe and have it approved or to revert
[10:30] <jbicha> I won't push any newer versions of meson this cycle without discussion
[10:30] <seb128> also maybe check with upstream
[10:30] <seb128> Jussi recommended we stay on 0.44 when I talked to him
[10:31] <seb128> well, 0.45 is already an issue, we need to sort that one out now
[11:02] <willcooke> robert_ancell, getting a 4040 on this page (as linked to from your bug): https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/add-method-to-show-recently-updated-snaps
[11:02] <willcooke> robert_ancell, is it just me
[11:02] <willcooke> ?
[11:03] <robert_ancell> willcooke, I renamed the title, and thought it kept the old link :/
[11:03] <robert_ancell> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/no-method-to-show-recently-updated-snaps/4409
[11:03] <willcooke> thanks robert_ancell
[11:19] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, jamesh: https://github.com/Ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/100
[11:29] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/issues/323
[11:31] <kenvandine> jbicha, gnome-characters snap now shows color emoji on bionic
[11:33] <jbicha> kenvandine: nice … but why are you using EmojiOne instead of Noto Color Emoji?
[11:34] <kenvandine> i didn't intentionally
[11:35] <kenvandine> jbicha, it actually should be using the fonts on the host
[11:36] <kenvandine> jbicha, i need to remove those fonts
[11:36] <Laney> darkxst: delta> yes, scalability> unknown!
[11:37] <jbicha> kenvandine: I don't have Emoji One installed, basically it looks like the first screenshot instead of the second at https://community.ubuntu.com/t/try-color-emoji-in-18-04/1492
[11:38] <jbicha> oh, fonts-emojione is in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-3-26/+packages
[12:24] <jbicha> ricotz: could you look into LP: #1682455 for Firefox 60?
[12:24] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1682455 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "thunderbird not available in GNOME Software" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682455
[12:42] <ricotz> jbicha, moving the symlink does the trick?
[12:48] <jbicha> I think so. Thunderbird does show up in Debian's GNOME Software so maybe look at what they're doing (Debian does a bit more complex stuff with icons though)
[12:48] <jbicha> appstream metadata is a bit of a pain because the only way to know for sure is to upload to the archive (ppa's don't work yet)
[12:49] <ricotz> I will add an additional symlink for the icon to usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/*.png
[12:49] <seb128> jibel, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[12:50] <jbicha> ricotz: why do you want to keep the /usr/share/pixmaps/ location?
[12:51] <ricotz> not sure, could something still relying on them?
[12:51] <ricotz> (considering 14.04 and later)
[12:55] <jbicha> I'll let you decide, but stuff shouldn't be hard-coding the full icon path :|
[12:57] <ricotz> I will move it to the mentioned location
[12:58] <ricotz> should be in the next trunk upload and 60.0 beta 3
[12:58] <jibel> didrocks, did you try a preseeded installation?
[12:58] <jibel> (re your MP)
[12:59] <didrocks> jibel: I guess that's the debconf UI, which I didn't
[12:59] <didrocks> I did the "automatic" which is asking less questions and taking the default preseeded answers
[13:00] <jibel> didrocks, isn't it "noninteractive"?
[13:00] <jibel> nvm, I'll try
[13:01] <didrocks> jibel: yeah, the definition is a little bit puzzling. Testing all the other cases were quite time-consuming. If you can give a try on the preseeded one, I will appreciate
[13:01] <jibel> didrocks, yes, don't worry, I'll do it
[13:02] <jbicha> ricotz: oh I read the calendar wrong. Do you think there's time for it to make FF 59 too?
[13:02] <jibel> didrocks, is there a card on the board?
[13:02] <ricotz> jbicha, oh, not sure how far chris is with 59
[13:03] <jibel> found it
[13:03] <didrocks> jibel: https://trello.com/c/QBufNYWO/174-add-a-send-data-to-help-improve-ubuntu-option-to-the-installer-and-to-settings
[13:03] <didrocks> jibel: feel free to edit, the current goal has changed a lot with the first login prompt, so not matching what is written there (not updated)
[13:07] <ricotz> jbicha, chrisccoulson, https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/2185
[13:08] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1754655 - fixed in bionic
[13:08] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1754655 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Bionic) "Installing snap from command line confuses GNOME Software" [Medium,Triaged]
[13:21] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, thx
[13:55] <kenvandine> jbicha, how does it decide to use emojione or noto?
[13:55] <kenvandine> jbicha, do you know?
[13:56] <kenvandine> jbicha, i've rebuilt the platform snap without emojione and it breaks gnome-characters
[13:56] <kenvandine> if i install emojione on my bionic system it starts working
[14:00] <jbicha> kenvandine: uh, fontconfig sets the priority. by default on bionic I believe emojione will override noto-color-emoji
[14:00] <jbicha> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/fontconfig/tree/conf.d/45-generic.conf
[14:01] <kenvandine> jbicha, it didn't work before i installed emojione :/
[14:01] <jbicha> I don't know much about snap yet
[14:02] <kenvandine> jbicha, snaps can now access fonts from the host
[14:02] <kenvandine> it wasn't the case when i created these snaps
[14:02] <jbicha> but I saw you had emojione in that ppa and not noto-color-emoji. Now that noto-color-emoji is there, maybe you want to remove emojione
[14:02] <kenvandine> so the snap bundled fonts, including emojione
[14:02] <kenvandine> i rebuilt the snap without emojione
[14:02] <kenvandine> and it broke
[14:03] <kenvandine> my snap no longer has emojione
[14:03] <jbicha> are you sure about snaps being able to use host fonts?
[14:03] <jbicha> like Logs shows the wrong font for me ( https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/font-issue-with-bionic-snaps/4330 )
[14:04] <kenvandine> yes
[14:04] <kenvandine> jbicha, i installed the deb of emojione on my bionic laptop
[14:04] <kenvandine> and it started working
[14:04] <kenvandine> so it's getting the font from my host
[14:08] <jbicha> I feel pretty lost here, but maybe you can share your platform-without-emojione with me?
[14:14] <cyphermox> willcooke: jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1754671
[14:14] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1754671 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Full-tunnel VPN DNS leakage regression" [High,Confirmed]
[14:17] <kenvandine> jbicha, it's in the edge channel
[14:17] <kenvandine> snap refresh --edge gnome-3-26-1604
[14:23] <jbicha> strange
[14:34] <jbicha> I dug around in /snap/gnome-3-26-1604/current/ and things look ok. Do I need to know anything about how apparmor stuff works?
[14:34] <jbicha> btw, I guess the Logs fonts issue is Wayland only
[17:45] <kenvandine[m][m]> jbicha: I couldn't figure out why it can't find the noto emojis.  I even built my snap with the noto emojis and it didn't work.
[17:45] <jbicha> kenvandine[m][m]: I don't understand it either :(
[17:46] <kenvandine[m][m]> I'll have to look more after I get home
[21:28] <jbicha> Laney: I switched gnome-desktop3 to LP git https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop/+git/gnome-desktop
[21:29] <jbicha> we didn't really use bzr for the package: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-desktop/ubuntu