[00:02] lighthunter, can you pastbin the results of "lspci -nnv" for us? [00:02] pragmaticenigma: unfortunately there is no touchpad on the output of 'xinput list' [00:04] I'm googling 'ubuntu gnome xinput list no touchpad'. hope to find a solution [00:06] does anyone know a quick easy way to install VPN [00:07] no such thing as quick and easy... especially when you need to give us more information on what you are trying to do [00:08] how to handle circumstance: cd /var/log/; cd letsencrypt ; #permission denied. do i have to switch to sudo? via su root or something? [00:08] well essentially I would like to make tunnelbear work on ubuntu 16.04 [00:09] arooni: "sudo -i" [00:09] MeaCulpa, tunnelbear should be able to provide you documentation on how to set that up [00:10] https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/linux_support/ MeaCulpa [00:10] MeaCulpa, https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/linux_support/ [00:10] MeaCulpa, that includes on how to set it up using ubuntu LTS [00:12] I have a feeling they don't support it there is nothing about linux on their site, no worries I will have to find someone who does support [00:13] MeaCulpa, I just gave you a link that shows how to do it [00:14] thanks pragmaticenigma, I didn't see that [00:14] * pragmaticenigma thinks MeaCulpa needs some new glasses?? [00:14] MeaCulpa, whose link are you checking [00:15] bazhang, we both sent the exact same link [00:15] ah nice, my bad pragmaticenigma [00:16] no worries, you must be a faster reader than me. i was trying to make sure it appeared legit and not misdirect someone down the dark path [00:17] https://pastebin.com/ENCg9Wri [00:27] Thank you lighthunter ... Are you able to verify that the NVidia Graphics card is enabled? Is it possible to set the NVidia as the only active graphics chipset? === peroni2 is now known as peroni [00:38] sure thing, pragmaticenigma. according to NVIDIA's level 2 tech support person, the fact that the NVIDIA graphics card is listed in the output of lspci establishes that it is enabled. i have Wayland disabled, and my /etc/X11/xorg.conf begins with: [00:38] Section "ServerLayout" [00:38] Identifier "layout" [00:38] Screen 0 "nvidia" [00:38] Inactive "intel" [00:38] EndSection [00:39] i can try to see if there is a way to disable the Intel graphics card in the BIOS. does that sound like the right idea? [00:42] It couldn't hurt to check, I'm not sure about the need for xorg.conf though. The more recent editions auto generate one on boot... I don't see any harm in it at the moment [00:44] lighthunter, I know this question has been raised a few times here... TJ- I think has had many of the answers in the past, however they are appear to unavailable at the moment. I know TJ- is often most active around 19:00 UTC [00:48] ty, pragmaticenigma. will keep an eye out for TJ-. [00:48] gonna reboot to try disabling the intel graphics card in the BIOS. [00:48] UEFI* [00:53] i didn't see an option to disable the Intel graphics card in my UEFI settings. [00:54] https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1015434-add-support-for-online-address-books-using-the-carddav-format $500 bucks. [00:57] lighthunter: pragmaticenigma Oh I'm around, but have been hacking on some Firefox bug workarounds :) [00:59] oh cool, sounds interesting. no rush, but the question i was asking was https://askubuntu.com/questions/1008599/no-audio-over-hdmi-on-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti (no audio over HDMI on an Optimus laptop). [01:00] nice TJ- ... I'm stumpped for lighthunter... they'd like audio through HDMI, but aren' receiving any audio [01:04] be right back. i am trying https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus#Using_nvidia, which recommends rebooting. [01:08] hello [01:08] my uget error cannot downloading === anyone is now known as eschwartz [01:17] How do I tell what kind of docker apt installed? [01:18] I am on this Yocto tutorial which requires Docker CE Stable [01:18] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus#Using_nvidia didn't have an effect on my issue. [01:26] Should be pretty easy to tell xcyclist. You need to sign up and pay for the enteprise version so you should know [01:27] is there a way to run debconf-get-selections for something you haven't installed? Someone recommended apt-get -d install but it does not seem to be working [01:27] lighthunter: I have a script that lets me grab all your issue comments into a single window... I've just gone back over it and read the askubuntu post. I think Rudi's solution is the correct approach but I suspect the values (addresses) passed to setpci may be different for the device in your PC, so that's the first thing for us to research [01:30] Ah, they want my money. Alas, I have little. [01:31] alas [01:31] CE stands for community edition. That sounds like for free. [01:31] But all version says is: Docker version 1.13.1, build 092cba3 [01:32] lighthunter: I've been reading the patches that fix this in the kernel. There's a comment reporting that the lack of Nvidia HDMI audio device only usually happens if the HDMI monitor *is not* connected at power-on. Have you tested the PC by having the HDMI monitor connected and powered when the PC is powered on? [01:32] My version says: Docker version 1.13.1, build 092cba3 [01:33] Unless you manually installed the repo for edge you have stable. Also, that is way out of date [01:34] Yes, I have tried both ways, and neither works. [01:36] hey everyone, I'm having issues with a laptop touchpad under both libinput and x11 that I could use some help diagnosing [01:36] i wondered whether i was passing the right arguments to setpci as well, but i haven't figured out how to tell what the correct arguments would be. [01:37] according to https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1024022/linux/gtx-1060-no-audio-over-hdmi-only-hda-intel-detected-azalia/post/5211273/#5211273: "you can figure out your PCI topology with "lspci -t" but interpreting the results is pretty tricky." [01:37] and indeed i have no idea what https://pastebin.com/b4CCm8iP means. [01:40] lighthunter: that's a bad example command; it makes more sense to append the names when using the --tree view. Try this: "lspci -tvnn" - it doesn't help you at all except in letting you see the connection heirachy of the PCI devices [01:40] lspci -tv is less obtuse: https://pastebin.com/ZdrwT3xw. [01:41] ha ha, looks like we had the same idea. here is lspci -tvnn: https://pastebin.com/59P7it1X. [01:43] lighthunter: have you tried the 'Kernel module to toggle audio function' code attached to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75985#c27 [01:43] Freedesktop bug 75985 in Driver/nouveau "[NVC1] HDMI audio device only visible after rescan" [Normal,New] [01:51] interesting find; i haven't tried that. attempting it now, which i believe requires a reboot. brb. [01:52] This is Linux! Rarely does it need a reboot [01:55] Hello Guys [01:55] any woked on Apache 2 and PERL [01:55] sorry [01:55] Anyone worked on Apache 2 and Perl? [01:55] !ask | sagar [01:55] sagar: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [01:56] TJ-, after having some time to clear my head, i think I've narrowed my focus down in my monitor screen corruption [01:57] hello I cannot run lbp2900 printer [01:57] my ubuntu 32 bit [01:57] TJ-, do you know of anything that would reduce the sensitivity to a wake event when the system attempts to power save the monitor? [01:58] TJ-, I've been playing with xset dpms... and have found that when manually trigger standby, suspend, even off the screen will sometimes stay off, and sometimes and blanks out for a moment and comes right back [01:59] TJ-, I remember reading something that there is a way to put a wait event or similar timer before the computer would react to wake event (sort of like a debounce setting for the keyboard) [02:00] pragmaticenigma: that /usually/ would be an input device causing it. And nowadays some weird devices are input devices, even webcams! Might be worth using something like evdev or similar to monitor input device events whilst the monitor is in 'sleep' [02:00] TJ-: you nailed it. that solved my problem. (technically i used https://github.com/hhfeuer/nvhda instead since that allowed me to use DKMS, which i believe improves the chances this fix keeps working once i upgrade my kernel.) [02:01] Does the 'wake' happen when /not/ using the GUI - using console only with no X server running [02:01] Ode to Joy is playing out of my monitor speakers :). [02:01] TJ-, even on this old of a machine (refreshing your memory that it's circa 2004, no webcams) [02:01] lighthunter: That's great news! [02:01] thank you for the help! [02:01] Yes, it happens in both GUI and Console modes TJ- [02:01] lighthunter: from what I read the only thing the driver doesn't do is reapply that toggle on wake from suspend [02:01] duely noted [02:02] i can probably script something that runs sudo tee /proc/acpi/nvhda << lighthunter: would be trivial to add a function to call nvhda_on() in a resume callback [02:03] or lighthunter ... find a reason not to suspend your desktop, like running a BOINC client and joining one of the hundreds of distributed computer projects :-) [02:04] I have a dual boot machine ubuntu / win 10 it currently boots to ubuntu firtst after showing the GRUB menu [02:04] **ubuntu by default [02:04] he he, i used to run BOINC; i will consider reinstalling it. [02:04] I'd like to boot to wwindows by default after grub menu [02:05] I've gathered that I need to edit /etc/default/grub [02:05] and change this line GRUB_DEFAULT=0 [02:05] pragmaticenigma: if it happens in a console-only session I'd definitely want to monitor all input device events. You might also be able to use dynamic_debug to get more info from the drivers handling the dpms sleep/wake - not sure where that'd be though, possibly in KMS (kernel mode setting) [02:05] but to what? [02:06] is anyone aware of a commandline way to get windows to snap left/right? i don't want to use wmctrl b/c i'd rather not have to know the actual screen size [02:06] leptone: if you can "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg" I can tell you [02:06] TJ-: i have never written kernel code before. any advice on how to write a resume callback/what docs i should refer to? [02:07] TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vXpf8vbJBQ/ [02:07] lighthunter: if you like I can fork that github DKMS project and you can 'watch' my repo where I can add the code (might be a couple of days before I get around to it though) [02:07] TJ-, how would I monitor that? what would I want to enable to have it log to syslog or it's own logfile [02:09] works for me. happy to write it myself if there's some example you know of of a resume callback somewhere. [02:09] leptone: you need to add to /etc/default/grub GRUB_DEFAULT="Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/sdc1)" then do "sudo update-grub" [02:09] lighthunter: there's plenty of those in the Linux kernel source :) [02:12] ha ha, i'm sure there are; i just don't know where to look. [02:16] is there anyone know what is the key under backspace in onboard? [02:18] I don't understand your question john__ can try to be a more specific? [02:18] lighthunter: see the description of the ->resume callback in "Leaving system suspend" section of the driver API at https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/driver-api/pm/devices.html#calling-drivers-to-enter-and-leave-system-sleep-states [02:21] TJ-, thanks! [02:21] pragmaticenigma: there is a key which is under backspace and above enter in onboard keyboard, and it is useless [02:22] ty TJ-! [02:26] pragmaticenigma: do you install onboard? [02:27] it is a onscreen keyboard [02:29] I have not intentionally installed it john__ [02:29] john__, because keyboard layouts can vary countries and even manufactures, it would be really hard to tell what the key your seeing represents [02:30] ok, you still can google onboard and got the picture about it [02:30] I just wonder why author put that a meaningless key in there [02:30] lighthunter: there's some more info in the source Documentation/driver-model/ - e.g. this bit in the "Declaration" section shows the .suspend and .resume callback functions added to the struct device_driver - you'd only need .resume = yourresumefunc https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/driver-model/driver.txt [02:31] perhaps if you sent a link to the image that represents the layout you are seeing, I could better tell you what the key might be for [02:32] hello [02:33] john__, the person who wrote it probably did the best they could at the time, we all make mistakes (and overlook little things), have good & bad days. i've used onboard and never had issues with it, nor documentation (but I only write/read/type english) [02:35] hi [02:35] guiverc, I believe john__ might be setup for a locale other than one that is for English. [02:36] cool [02:36] i guessed that.. hence i've not seen the issue. if the doco lacks in a specific language, the best way to fix it is to offer to help fix it :) [02:36] john__, If your seeing a key with an X inside of a box, that is the DEL key or Delete key. Which deletes characters that follow or are to the right of the character (for languages that read right to left) [02:37] guiverc, I don't think they're having a problem, just curious what the purpose is [02:37] !ask | rocio [02:37] rocio: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [02:38] pragmaticenigma: [02:38] pragmaticenigma: you are right [02:39] TJ-, looking at my logs about the only thing that I'm currently seeing log power event changes is Xorg.0.log... is there another log file to be looking at? especially one that might capture kernel level? syslog doesn't appear to be capturing anything [02:39] it is the delete key [02:40] glad I could help. It was a guess, as when I run onboard, the key appears to the right of the backspace and above the enter key [02:42] can I remove the bar on the left side of gnome [02:43] pragmaticenigma: I don't see much that would be helpful in dynamic_debug but you might notice something. see /sys/kernel/debug/dynamic_debug/control -- these are kernel sourcecode files, line numbers, and debug messages you can potentially enable to get those messages reported by the kernel. There are a few related to the input sub-system devices but the coverage doesn't look to be extensive. [02:44] pragmaticenigma: info in using dynamic_debug @ https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/admin-guide/dynamic-debug-howto.rst [02:44] okay... it's another path to follow I guess... I've gotta sign off for the night, thank for your patience with me TJ- === eskimo is now known as TheRightGuy [02:47] by the time I figure this all out... something tells me 32bit will no longer have support ... haha === TheRightGuy is now known as eskimo [02:48] roger that; ty, TJ-. [03:03] does ubuntu accept bitcoin donations? [03:06] I know Ubuntu Mate does https://ubuntu-mate.org/donate/ [03:15] ubuntu 17.10 is reporting issues in various programs claiming that I am running out of space, yet I have 75 gigs free. [03:15] Anything I can try to resolve this? I already tried restarting [03:16] Woodpecker, try a `df -hi` to check you have inodes available, and also check your / (root) directory (esp. if a different partition to /home, or any other partitions you have) [03:17] guiverc: inodes? what are they in a nutshell? Also Im using btrfs. [03:17] blocks, clusters in windoze speak - where file data is stored. [03:17] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VTxMuodk/ [03:18] guiverc: how does that look? ^ === john__ is now known as jusssss [03:20] New gnome user here... it seems like the menubars in the windows take up a ton of space, is there any way to scale that down? [03:21] sorry i can't help with btrfs; but all is good except / (where the command i think is unhelpful due btrfs) === r0Oter is now known as r00ter [03:22] guiverc: ;_; ah well. Thats what I get. At least it has better fault tolerance ~ [03:23] be patient, maybe someone else with better knowledge can help.. [03:23] guiverc: im just getting such strange behaviour. Right as I am running the installer, i open up my system monitor, and when I click on one of the tabs, it immediately switches back [03:24] (the qt installer) [03:24] not sure how to even report a bug like this. [03:26] now i try to exit qtcreator and it throws this error "Cannot write file /home/akiva/Programming/fc-autogen/fc-autogen.pro.user: Unknown error" [03:30] Woodpecker: strart the program from the command-line, wrapped with "strace -f -o /tmp/strace.log -e trace=file /path/to/command " then you can review the /tmp/strace.log to discover more [03:31] Woodpecker, sorry I can't be much help, but I'd try `stat` that file to look for funny permissions, as well, check `smartctl` (smart status of drive(s)) or hardware as cause for unusual errors (but its probably because I don't have anything better) === strive is now known as paragon === paragon is now known as strive [03:46] good ideas [03:46] ty === strive is now known as parag0n === parag0n is now known as strive [03:59] hey anyone there can tell me how to study the research papers [04:01] hello === exxxit is now known as doublehelix [04:01] hello [04:01] thepro: how can install systemctl ? [04:02] hi? [04:02] hello dash_ [04:03] sudo apt-get install systemd try this out [04:03] thepro: I did but some error -> Failed to issue method call: Failed to execute program /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success [04:03] if your current package is corrupt then use reinstall === exxxit is now known as doublehelix [04:11] somebody can help me to watch netflix on raspberry pi 3? :) === strive is now known as par4g0n [04:14] dasda, you would need a version of chrome to watch netflix [04:14] but the only versions that are up to date are 64 downloads [04:15] pengwens, My raspberry is with ubuntu mate and I installed chromium, because ther isn't chrome for raspi [04:16] dasda, i read about some workarounds. you still need to trick the netflix servers into thinking you're using chrome === enko-work is now known as enko-w [04:18] dasda, try asking on one of the pi forumns: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4741/how-to-stream-netflix-on-raspbmc [04:18] pengwens, can U give me a link please, if U know it [04:19] oh, thank U :) [04:19] (that's an old post, but it's been updated recently) [04:19] have you tried running it in plain old firefox? === robot is now known as uptime === exxxit is now known as doublehelix [04:27] It seems with btrfs, there is something about metadata that clogs up the system and causes it to throw those errors. [04:27] My system would have had a lot considering I have tons and tons of small files. [04:28] its no longer throwing me those errors since I emptied my browing history, and deleted around 15000 small files === Amm0n| is now known as Amm0n [04:31] pengwens, I tried with firefox and chromium and itś the same, I broked my firefox trying to install another versions [04:41] hello, does a channel exist where they discuss capturing live streaming video? [05:28] hello [05:28] any body here？ [05:34] Quit: Abandonando === Jochen_wvdT is now known as Schlawiner [05:45] yes [05:55] hello [05:56] any body here> [05:56] ? [05:56] !ask [05:56] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [05:57] !fuck [05:57] !ask [05:57] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [05:57] join #linuxba === JimBuntu is now known as Plaid === Plaid is now known as JimBuntu [06:52] ds [06:55] Hi all [06:55] I am having a strange problem [06:56] I have let my previous Windows non-OS drives as it is as NTFS systems. Previously they were mounted on /media with a longer name since I didnt know much of Unix then, and feared conflict with any system mounts. [06:57] It also had the added advantage that file managers showed the partitions as mounted storage [06:57] in the left pane [06:57] I forgot to mention the mount was effected by adding lines to fstab [06:58] I also had symlinks in home folder to them [06:58] Recently I decided that since they were from the internal hard disk and permanently mounted, so /mnt/ would be a more suitable mount point. [06:58] So I unmounted them, edited fstab then rebooted. [06:58] pikapika: backup your data & reformat the hd? [06:59] No data is fine [06:59] Listen to me fully first [06:59] Also yeah I cleared the xfce session [06:59] So now every alternate boot it shows a slightly older state of the hard disk [06:59] pikapika: try to write your issue all in one line mate [07:01] The more notable differences are that I changed theme and wallpaper recently. The older state is from slightly before these changes. When I reboot again, the proper state is shown again. Also the first time after editing fstab the shutdown took a long time. Sometime after booting it drops a crash log of plymouth. What might be the cause? [07:01] I think I have explained myself fully now. [07:02] loyuspsychje [07:02] lotuspsychje [07:03] Oh I forgot to say, the mounted folders display fine in shell, file manager, etc regardless. Just that when its in the older state, it well shows the older state with some new files missing, the wallpaper file missing, etc whereas in the normal state it shows everything correctly [07:04] So any idea what might be the issue? [07:05] pikapika: alot of text, but your missing essential details: ubuntu version? what did you change in fstab? system up to date to latest? [07:06] Oh sorry. Here goes: Ubuntu lts 16.04 version, pretty updated, old by at most a day or two. Heres the output of uname -a: "Linux person 4.13.0-36-generic #40~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 16 23:25:58 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux" I am writing down the fstab change below: [07:06] Hm funny [07:07] It auto changed the fstab now. Previously through all these changes it always showed the fstab exactly as I had edited it [07:07] Right now its: #UUID=xxxxxx /mnt/e ntfs defaults,x-gvfs-name=E%20drive 0 0 [07:08] same for the other drive. Commented out as I had done [07:08] anyone have a computer with an A171 intel sound chip and know how to get it working? [07:08] My laptop detects it but no sound === silence_pkav is now known as qqqq [07:08] !uuid | pikapika doublecheck here [07:08] pikapika doublecheck here: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID) [07:08] But funny thing it, in the previous reboot it was showing the uncommented older state as opposed to my edit that commented it out. And options was defaults, it changed them to these [07:09] And before all this fiasco, the only different was that instead of /mnt/e it was /media/longer_name [07:10] Yes, they exactly match the fstab uuids [07:10] !sound | theorchid [07:10] theorchid: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [07:10] ubottu, I checked all that [07:10] theorchid: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [07:10] No luck [07:11] I think i need to mess with ALSA configs from what I've read, but I wouldn't know where to start [07:12] And sometimes during boot it says "running [some job] n/5" on /sda/n dont exactly remember but it had a timer and took like 10-11 sec [07:13] So apparently something is automatically changing the fstab and I only noticed it now [07:15] pikapika: try to tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin HD to see errors [07:15] To clarify, before all these problems the lines were like: "UUID=xxxxx /media/long_name ntfs defaults 0 0", I manually changed it to "UUID=xxxxx /mnt/e ntfs defaults 0 0", rebooted thats when the issues started [07:18] theorchid: sudo lshw -C sound shows driver installed? [07:18] Er I dont exactly understand, I wrote tail -n 500 syslog | grep "plugin" it showed 20-25 lines [07:18] How do I look for messages related to the hard disk? [07:19] lotuspsychje, yeah, and ALSA says it's working but there's no sound output [07:19] pulseaudio config panel sees no issues [07:19] I'm confuzzled [07:19] Oh I see you asked to add the -f option, still same output [07:21] theorchid: wich ubuntu are you on? [07:21] pikapika: hastebin the putput plz [07:21] kubuntu 17.10 [07:21] 16.04 lts, this is what uname -a says: Linux person 4.13.0-36-generic #40~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 16 23:25:58 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [07:22] I am gonna try 18.04 when it finishes downloading [07:22] pikapika: no, hastebin of the syslog tail [07:22] theorchid: wich driver is loaded for your soundcard? [07:23] I dunno, I'd have to boot back into linux [07:23] Give me a few minutes I'll switch back to it [07:23] theorchid: allright [07:24] https://hastebin.com/piqugoweho.erl [07:24] Last 500 lines as I didnt find any mention of "plugin" before 300 lines [07:25] Hm I am seeing some ntfs-3g messages that seem relevant now that I see [07:26] pikapika: yeah, seems like your drive is mounted on desktop? [07:27] pikapika: so for what reason did you change fstab exactly? [07:28] lotuspsychje, snd_hda_intel [07:30] theorchid: ok, so somewhere in your logs it must go wrong [07:30] where do I look? [07:30] https://hastebin.com/piqugoweho.erl [07:30] check syslog or dmesg for sound issues theorchid === person_ is now known as pikapika [07:33] nope... no errors in either log. everything looks like it should be working but it's not [07:34] theorchid: think i recall some kubuntu issue with volume icon, perhaps the #kubuntu guys might know more of it [07:34] well, I'll try regular ubuntu [07:34] theorchid: good idea [07:34] see if that works === person_ is now known as pikapika [07:35] I'll report back when I know === enko-work is now known as enko-w [07:38] hastebin containing entries having mount/mounting/ntfs terms in them: https://hastebin.com/dexefurazi.erl [07:50] I have to go now. Later I will post the question and related logs, etc in a more organised form. Thanks for the help everyone. === Tinus is now known as Guest36231 [08:05] What is the difference between apt-get and apt ? [08:06] shivam887: https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/ [08:06] i read it [08:06] please explain me [08:06] it says apt is for begginers [08:06] but i dont think so , i think anyone can use apt-get and apt [08:07] both are same [08:07] apt shows just loading line [08:08] shivam887: you can use both, just choose which one you like more and does what you need. [08:08] but both are just same [08:10] apt is easier for interactive use. apt-get is more useful for non-interactive use [08:11] geirha : but both works same [08:11] give me a example to distinguish b/w these two [08:11] apt search [08:12] geirha :okay [08:12] apt-get has a source an build-dep arg... I could be wrong but I think apt doesn't [08:12] shivam887: apt includes functionality from other tools than apt-get [08:13] theorchid: it does [08:14] oh... then I remembered incorrectly [08:14] how to reload module? [08:14] I still prefer aptitude though. Especially for searching. apt and apt-cache are useless in comparison [08:14] modprobe -r x then modprobe x [08:15] is there a parameter do this [08:17] its a good idea to get a ubuntu phone or a phone to install ubuntu thse days? if yes wich is the best choice? does ubuntu phone keep getting security updates ? [08:17] *these [08:19] coustou: ask in #ubports [08:21] Is there some easy way to install oracle on ubuntu? [08:26] maum: that's really a question for oracle [08:27] maum: Oracle is a pretty big org... Not sure you just install it! ;-) [08:27] ducasse: ok [08:29] Does anybody know how well the T610 works with ubuntu? [08:29] guesgeusges, is that a thinkpad [08:30] bazhang: Poweredge [08:32] https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201003-5450/ guesgeusges [08:33] bazhang: Is R510 same as T610? T610 will have the E5645 not the X550 cpu [08:33] ITS ubuntu chat [08:33] not CPU [08:35] shivam887, he's asking if ubuntu works on it [08:35] okay [08:35] ! [08:35] shivam887, please take your non support differences between apt/and apt-get to another location, thanks [08:36] guesgeusges, that seems to be a no [08:36] Yeah, couldnt find it either [08:36] guesgeusges, that being said, it does appear to work, just not fully certified [08:41] bazhang: yeah, gonna ask if they can try to spin it up for me and try it out, would want to get bionic on it later tho since i have zero desire to put vms on it [08:55] Hello, I wonder if Gnome shell memory leak has any bugfix in sight? [08:57] anyone has joined #archlinux [08:57] please help me [08:57] ? [08:59] shivam887: for help with other channels, ask in #freenode [09:10] Where can I get a prerelease iso of vanilla ubuntu 18.04 64 bit knowing full well I may have to format after the lts comes out [09:12] lisbeths, discussion in #ubuntu+1 [09:25] Hi everyone, is here someone on ubuntu 18.04 with Nvidia card? I need nvidia driver but there was a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1752053 and i'm not sure if it safe now to install it. [09:25] Launchpad bug 1752053 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-390 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-390 fails to boot graphical display" [Critical,Incomplete] [09:26] Pharmasolin, #ubuntu+1 is the place for that [09:27] Thanks [09:35] is there any way to revert to 16.04.3 LTS? 16.04.4 apparently messed with my wifi adapter and I've been struggling for the last 3 days to make it work and I'm sick of it [09:36] rfv: apt is not designed to do downgrades [09:43] hmm, that's how one ends up with a brick of a computer :) [09:46] what client do you use for IRC? [09:47] rfv: maybe provide us with details of your problem and we can help you solve it [09:47] rfv: as in what wifi chipset etc [09:48] hateball: Asus network adapter with a broadcom chipset BCM4352 14e4:43b1 rev 03 it used to work with the bcmwl-kernel-source driver, not anymore after a reboot [09:49] currently running 16.04.4 and the bcmwl driver segfaults, tried the one from bionic and that one fails with "NULL ndev->ieee80211ptr, unable to deref wl" [09:49] the open source drivers don't work either [09:50] and I've been going through this https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers?noredirect=1&lq=1 and alot more internet posts trying to fix it [09:50] Slack tray-icon is not showing correctly on my Ubuntu 17.10, any clues? I installed Slack as a Snap package [09:50] what makes it even more complicated is the fact that I'm in a building without wired net connection, hence the computer being a brick now :) [09:51] rfv: I had the same problem on my old macbook, I reinstalled bcmwl-kernel-source and dkms and it was fixed [09:51] hmm yes, not having *any* network connection would be troublesome [09:51] rfv: you could try rebuilding dkms modules [09:52] rfv: the wl.ko module is probably missing on the new kernel ? [09:52] rfv: did you try "sudo dkms autoinstall" ? [09:53] as long as sources are available it should rebuild the module for the kernel [09:56] hmm, dkms status shows both broadcom-sta and bcmwl [09:56] @hateball dkms autoinstall did nothing [09:58] @adalbert lsmod shows wl as being in use by cfg80211, but not really sure which wl since I just removed both bcmwl and broadcom-sta [10:01] 'Morning folks [10:02] rfv: I have these: [10:02] @mac-pc:/lib/modules$ find ./ -name wl.ko ./4.13.0-36-generic/updates/dkms/wl.ko ./4.13.0-32-generic/updates/dkms/wl.ko [10:02] @mac-pc:/lib/modules$ lsmod | grep wl wl 6447104 0 cfg80211 614400 1 wl [10:02] ls [10:07] @adalbert I have ./4.4.0-116-generic/updates/dkms/wl.ko Could you please post the result of dpkg -s bcmwl-kernel-source? You're running the LTS too, right ? === ron is now known as Guest35294 [10:14] I'll try to reinstall (that is dpkg -i *.deb since no internet) dkms and bcmwl, though I remember doing that a couple of days ago [10:19] I was wondering... should I switch to Ubuntu, I want to do game development and I really like using Ubuntu. I jsut unsure if it's wise to use Ubuntu as my main OS [10:20] SpoopyBoi, thats outside the purview of this channel [10:20] whats your development setup as is? [10:20] What do you mean setup? [10:20] which IDE SpoopyBoi [10:21] yeah what language you use etc [10:21] oh I see... mainly c# and c++ [10:21] any tips: i've got 12Tb in raid5 on one hp server: the 1604 lts however recognizes the disk as 1.1TiB ? Like.. module error? some other error? pebcak? [10:21] SpoopyBoi, and what is your current OS [10:21] Windows [10:22] SpoopyBoi, well read the free ubuntu manual in pdf form first [10:22] !manual | SpoopyBoi [10:22] SpoopyBoi: The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/ [10:22] I see... thanks [10:23] SpoopyBoi, as far as tellin you why or why not, thats something only you can decide [10:23] welcome [10:23] okay... thanks for the help anyways [10:24] ah too bad they left, there are gaming related channels on freenode they could have found with !alis [10:24] (with devs on linux) [10:26] ok, after reinstalling both dkms and bcmwl, I still get wl: module license 'MIXED/Proprietary' taints kernel and then ERROR @wl_cfg80211_detach: NULL dev->ieee80211ptr, unable to deref wl [10:28] rfv: https://pastebin.com/38Cm9m0v [10:29] rfv: I'm running LTS yes. [10:30] @adalbert yes, identical version, thanks === juboxi is now known as jubo2 [11:00] What is centos used for? [11:01] typically servers haskell , that's better for ##linux as this is ubuntu support [11:02] Why is linux different from ubuntu [11:02] haskell, it's not [11:02] So what is ubuntu then [11:02] haskell, did you have an actual support issue with your ubuntu install [11:03] Just wondering [11:03] Web servers? [11:03] top gives me %Cpu out of 100% or 100% X number-of-cores ? [11:03] !manual | haskell [11:03]