[00:02] <pragmaticenigma> lighthunter, can you pastbin the results of "lspci -nnv" for us?
[00:02] <rhoks> pragmaticenigma: unfortunately there is no touchpad on the output of 'xinput list'
[00:04] <rhoks> I'm googling 'ubuntu gnome xinput list no touchpad'. hope to find a solution
[00:06] <MeaCulpa> does anyone know a quick easy way to install VPN
[00:07] <pragmaticenigma> no such thing as quick and easy... especially when you need to give us more information on what you are trying to do
[00:08] <arooni> how to handle circumstance: cd /var/log/; cd letsencrypt ; #permission denied.  do i have to switch to sudo?  via su root or something?
[00:08] <MeaCulpa> well essentially I would like to make tunnelbear work on ubuntu 16.04
[00:09] <krytarik> arooni: "sudo -i"
[00:09] <pragmaticenigma> MeaCulpa, tunnelbear should be able to provide you documentation on how to set that up
[00:10] <bazhang> https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/linux_support/ MeaCulpa
[00:10] <pragmaticenigma> MeaCulpa, https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/linux_support/
[00:10] <bazhang> MeaCulpa, that includes on how to set it up using ubuntu LTS
[00:12] <MeaCulpa> I have a feeling they don't support it there is nothing about linux on their site, no worries I will have to find someone who does support
[00:13] <bazhang> MeaCulpa, I just gave you a link that shows how to do it
[00:14] <MeaCulpa> thanks pragmaticenigma, I didn't see that
[00:14]  * pragmaticenigma thinks MeaCulpa needs some new glasses??
[00:14] <bazhang> MeaCulpa, whose link are you checking
[00:15] <pragmaticenigma> bazhang, we both sent the exact same link
[00:15] <bazhang> ah nice, my bad pragmaticenigma
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> no worries, you must be a faster reader than me. i was trying to make sure it appeared legit and not misdirect someone down the dark path
[00:17] <lighthunter> https://pastebin.com/ENCg9Wri
[00:27] <pragmaticenigma> Thank you lighthunter ... Are you able to verify that the NVidia Graphics card is enabled? Is it possible to set the NVidia as the only active graphics chipset?
[00:38] <lighthunter> sure thing, pragmaticenigma. according to NVIDIA's level 2 tech support person, the fact that the NVIDIA graphics card is listed in the output of lspci establishes that it is enabled. i have Wayland disabled, and my /etc/X11/xorg.conf begins with:
[00:38] <lighthunter> Section "ServerLayout"
[00:38] <lighthunter>     Identifier "layout"
[00:38] <lighthunter>     Screen 0 "nvidia"
[00:38] <lighthunter>     Inactive "intel"
[00:38] <lighthunter> EndSection
[00:39] <lighthunter> i can try to see if there is a way to disable the Intel graphics card in the BIOS. does that sound like the right idea?
[00:42] <pragmaticenigma> It couldn't hurt to check, I'm not sure about the need for xorg.conf though. The more recent editions auto generate one on boot... I don't see any harm in it at the moment
[00:44] <pragmaticenigma> lighthunter, I know this question has been raised a few times here... TJ- I think has had many of the answers in the past, however they are appear to unavailable at the moment. I know TJ- is often most active around 19:00 UTC
[00:48] <lighthunter> ty, pragmaticenigma. will keep an eye out for TJ-.
[00:48] <lighthunter> gonna reboot to try disabling the intel graphics card in the BIOS.
[00:48] <lighthunter> UEFI*
[00:53] <lighthunter> i didn't see an option to disable the Intel graphics card in my UEFI settings.
[00:54] <DebiaMovie> https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1015434-add-support-for-online-address-books-using-the-carddav-format $500 bucks.
[00:57] <TJ-> lighthunter: pragmaticenigma Oh I'm around, but have been hacking on some Firefox bug workarounds :)
[00:59] <lighthunter> oh cool, sounds interesting. no rush, but the question i was asking was https://askubuntu.com/questions/1008599/no-audio-over-hdmi-on-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti (no audio over HDMI on an Optimus laptop).
[01:00] <pragmaticenigma> nice TJ- ... I'm stumpped for lighthunter... they'd like audio through HDMI, but aren' receiving any audio
[01:04] <lighthunter> be right back. i am trying https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus#Using_nvidia, which recommends rebooting.
[01:08] <gioan> hello
[01:08] <gioan> my uget error cannot downloading
[01:17] <xcyclist> How do I tell what kind of docker apt installed?
[01:18] <xcyclist> I am on this Yocto tutorial which requires Docker CE Stable
[01:18] <lighthunter> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus#Using_nvidia didn't have an effect on my issue.
[01:26] <kenrin> Should be pretty easy to tell xcyclist.  You need to sign up and pay for the enteprise version so you should know
[01:27] <FreakingOut1987> is there a way to run debconf-get-selections for something you haven't installed? Someone recommended apt-get -d install but it does not seem to be working
[01:27] <TJ-> lighthunter: I have a script that lets me grab all your issue comments into a single window... I've just gone back over it and read the askubuntu post. I think Rudi's solution is the correct approach but I suspect the values (addresses) passed to setpci may be different for the device in your PC, so that's the first thing for us to research
[01:30] <xcyclist> Ah, they want my money.  Alas, I have little.
[01:31] <compdoc> alas
[01:31] <xcyclist> CE stands for community edition.  That sounds like for free.
[01:31] <xcyclist> But all version says is: Docker version 1.13.1, build 092cba3
[01:32] <TJ-> lighthunter: I've been reading the patches that fix this in the kernel. There's a comment reporting that the lack of Nvidia HDMI audio device only usually happens if the HDMI monitor  *is not* connected at power-on. Have you tested the PC by having the HDMI monitor connected and powered when the PC is powered on?
[01:32] <xcyclist> My version says:  Docker version 1.13.1, build 092cba3
[01:33] <kenrin> Unless you manually installed the repo for edge you have stable.  Also,  that is way out of date
[01:34] <lighthunter> Yes, I have tried both ways, and neither works.
[01:36] <therave39> hey everyone, I'm having issues with a laptop touchpad under both libinput and x11 that I could use some help diagnosing
[01:36] <lighthunter> i wondered whether i was passing the right arguments to setpci as well, but i haven't figured out how to tell what the correct arguments would be.
[01:37] <lighthunter> according to https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1024022/linux/gtx-1060-no-audio-over-hdmi-only-hda-intel-detected-azalia/post/5211273/#5211273: "you can figure out your PCI topology with "lspci -t" but interpreting the results is pretty tricky."
[01:37] <lighthunter> and indeed i have no idea what https://pastebin.com/b4CCm8iP means.
[01:40] <TJ-> lighthunter: that's a bad example command; it makes more sense to append the names when using the --tree view. Try this: "lspci -tvnn" - it doesn't help you at all except in letting you see the connection heirachy of the PCI devices
[01:40] <lighthunter> lspci -tv is less obtuse: https://pastebin.com/ZdrwT3xw.
[01:41] <lighthunter> ha ha, looks like we had the same idea. here is lspci -tvnn: https://pastebin.com/59P7it1X.
[01:43] <TJ-> lighthunter: have you tried the 'Kernel module to toggle audio function' code attached to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75985#c27
[01:51] <lighthunter> interesting find; i haven't tried that. attempting it now, which i believe requires a reboot. brb.
[01:52] <TJ-> This is Linux! Rarely does it need a reboot
[01:55] <sagar> Hello Guys
[01:55] <sagar> any woked on Apache 2 and PERL
[01:55] <sagar> sorry
[01:55] <sagar> Anyone worked on Apache 2 and Perl?
[01:55] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | sagar
[01:56] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, after having some time to clear my head, i think I've narrowed my focus down in my monitor screen corruption
[01:57] <gioan> hello I cannot run lbp2900 printer
[01:57] <gioan> my ubuntu 32 bit
[01:57] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, do you know of anything that would reduce the sensitivity to a wake event when the system attempts to power save the monitor?
[01:58] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I've been playing with xset dpms... and have found that when manually trigger standby, suspend, even off the screen will sometimes stay off, and sometimes and blanks out for a moment and comes right back
[01:59] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I remember reading something that there is a way to put a wait event or similar timer before the computer would react to wake event (sort of like a debounce setting for the keyboard)
[02:00] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: that /usually/ would be an input device causing it. And nowadays some weird devices are input devices, even webcams! Might be worth using something like evdev or similar to monitor input device events whilst the monitor is in 'sleep'
[02:00] <lighthunter> TJ-: you nailed it. that solved my problem. (technically i used https://github.com/hhfeuer/nvhda instead since that allowed me to use DKMS, which i believe improves the chances this fix keeps working once i upgrade my kernel.)
[02:01] <TJ-> Does the 'wake' happen when /not/ using the GUI - using console only with no X server running
[02:01] <lighthunter> Ode to Joy is playing out of my monitor speakers :).
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, even on this old of a machine (refreshing your memory that it's circa 2004, no webcams)
[02:01] <TJ-> lighthunter: That's great news!
[02:01] <lighthunter> thank you for the help!
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> Yes, it happens in both GUI and Console modes TJ-
[02:01] <TJ-> lighthunter: from what I read the only thing the driver doesn't do is reapply that toggle on wake from suspend
[02:01] <lighthunter> duely noted
[02:02] <lighthunter> i can probably script something that runs sudo tee /proc/acpi/nvhda <<<ON on wake from suspend.
[02:03] <TJ-> lighthunter: would be trivial to add a function to call nvhda_on() in a resume callback
[02:03] <pragmaticenigma> or lighthunter ... find a reason not to suspend your desktop, like running a BOINC client and joining one of the hundreds of distributed computer projects :-)
[02:04] <leptone> I have a dual boot machine ubuntu / win 10 it currently boots to ubuntu firtst after showing the GRUB menu
[02:04] <leptone> **ubuntu by default
[02:04] <lighthunter> he he, i used to run BOINC; i will consider reinstalling it.
[02:04] <leptone> I'd like to boot to wwindows by default after grub menu
[02:05] <leptone> I've gathered that I need to edit /etc/default/grub
[02:05] <leptone> and change this line GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[02:05] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: if it happens in a console-only session I'd definitely want to monitor all input device events. You might also be able to use dynamic_debug to get more info from the drivers handling the dpms sleep/wake - not sure where that'd be though, possibly in KMS (kernel mode setting)
[02:05] <leptone> but to what?
[02:06] <eftm> is anyone aware of a commandline way to get windows to snap left/right? i don't want to use wmctrl b/c i'd rather not have to know the actual screen size
[02:06] <TJ-> leptone: if you can "pastebinit /boot/grub/grub.cfg" I can tell you
[02:06] <lighthunter> TJ-: i have never written kernel code before. any advice on how to write a resume callback/what docs i should refer to?
[02:07] <leptone> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vXpf8vbJBQ/
[02:07] <TJ-> lighthunter: if you like I can fork that github DKMS project and you can 'watch' my repo where I can add the code (might be a couple of days before I get around to it though)
[02:07] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, how would I monitor that? what would I want to enable to have it log to syslog or it's own logfile
[02:09] <lighthunter> works for me. happy to write it myself if there's some example you know of of a resume callback somewhere.
[02:09] <TJ-> leptone: you need to add to /etc/default/grub   GRUB_DEFAULT="Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/sdc1)"    then do "sudo update-grub"
[02:09] <TJ-> lighthunter: there's plenty of those in the Linux kernel source :)
[02:12] <lighthunter> ha ha, i'm sure there are; i just don't know where to look.
[02:16] <john__> is there anyone know what is the key under backspace in onboard?
[02:18] <pragmaticenigma> I don't understand your question john__ can try to be a more specific?
[02:18] <TJ-> lighthunter: see the description of the ->resume callback in "Leaving system suspend" section of the driver API at https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/driver-api/pm/devices.html#calling-drivers-to-enter-and-leave-system-sleep-states
[02:21] <leptone> TJ-, thanks!
[02:21] <john__> pragmaticenigma: there is a key which is under backspace and above enter in onboard keyboard, and it is useless
[02:22] <lighthunter> ty TJ-!
[02:26] <john__> pragmaticenigma: do you install onboard?
[02:27] <john__> it is a onscreen keyboard
[02:29] <pragmaticenigma> I have not intentionally installed it john__
[02:29] <pragmaticenigma> john__, because keyboard layouts can vary countries and even manufactures, it would be really hard to tell what the key your seeing represents
[02:30] <john__> ok, you still can google onboard and got the picture about it
[02:30] <john__> I just wonder why author put that a meaningless key in there
[02:30] <TJ-> lighthunter: there's some more info in the source  Documentation/driver-model/ - e.g. this bit in the "Declaration" section shows the .suspend and .resume callback functions added to the struct device_driver - you'd only need .resume = yourresumefunc  https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/driver-model/driver.txt
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> perhaps if you sent a link to the image that represents the layout you are seeing, I could better tell you what the key might be for
[02:32] <rocio> hello
[02:33] <guiverc> john__, the person who wrote it probably did the best they could at the time, we all make mistakes (and overlook little things), have good & bad days.  i've used onboard and never had issues with it, nor documentation (but I only write/read/type english)
[02:35] <holper> hi
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> guiverc, I believe john__ might be setup for a locale other than one that is for English.
[02:36] <rocio> cool
[02:36] <guiverc> i guessed that.. hence i've not seen the issue.   if the doco lacks in a specific language, the best way to fix it is to offer to help fix it :)
[02:36] <pragmaticenigma> john__, If your seeing a key with an X inside of a box, that is the DEL key or Delete key. Which deletes characters that follow or are to the right of the character (for languages that read right to left)
[02:37] <pragmaticenigma> guiverc, I don't think they're having a problem, just curious what the purpose is
[02:37] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | rocio
[02:38] <john__> pragmaticenigma:
[02:38] <john__> pragmaticenigma: you are right
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, looking at my logs about the only thing that I'm currently seeing log power event changes is Xorg.0.log... is there another log file to be looking at? especially one that might capture kernel level? syslog doesn't appear to be capturing anything
[02:39] <john__> it is the delete key
[02:40] <pragmaticenigma> glad I could help. It was a guess, as when I run onboard, the key appears to the right of the backspace and above the enter key
[02:42] <john__> can I remove the bar on the left side of gnome
[02:43] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I don't see much that would be helpful in dynamic_debug but you might notice something. see /sys/kernel/debug/dynamic_debug/control  -- these are kernel sourcecode files, line numbers, and debug messages you can potentially enable to get those messages reported by the kernel. There are a few related to the input sub-system devices but the coverage doesn't look to be extensive.
[02:44] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: info in using dynamic_debug @ https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/admin-guide/dynamic-debug-howto.rst
[02:44] <pragmaticenigma> okay... it's another path to follow I guess... I've gotta sign off for the night, thank for your patience with me TJ-
[02:47] <pragmaticenigma> by the time I figure this all out... something tells me 32bit will no longer have support ... haha
[02:48] <lighthunter> roger that; ty, TJ-.
[03:03] <LeanCleanMiningM> does ubuntu accept bitcoin donations?
[03:06] <nedstark> I know Ubuntu Mate does https://ubuntu-mate.org/donate/
[03:15] <Woodpecker> ubuntu 17.10 is reporting issues in various programs claiming that I am running out of space, yet I have 75 gigs free.
[03:15] <Woodpecker> Anything I can try to resolve this? I already tried restarting
[03:16] <guiverc> Woodpecker, try a `df -hi` to check you have inodes available, and also check your / (root) directory (esp. if a different partition to /home, or any other partitions you have)
[03:17] <Woodpecker> guiverc:  inodes? what are they in a nutshell? Also Im using btrfs.
[03:17] <guiverc> blocks, clusters in windoze speak - where file data is stored.
[03:17] <Woodpecker> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VTxMuodk/
[03:18] <Woodpecker> guiverc: how does that look? ^
[03:20] <MtnGoat> New gnome user here... it seems like the menubars in the windows take up a ton of space, is there any way to scale that down?
[03:21] <guiverc> sorry i can't help with btrfs; but all is good except /  (where the command i think is unhelpful due btrfs)
[03:22] <Woodpecker> guiverc: ;_;  ah well. Thats what I get. At least it has better fault tolerance ~
[03:23] <guiverc> be patient, maybe someone else with better knowledge can help..
[03:23] <Woodpecker> guiverc: im just getting such strange behaviour. Right as I am running the installer, i open up my system monitor, and when I click on one of the tabs, it immediately switches back
[03:24] <Woodpecker> (the qt installer)
[03:24] <Woodpecker> not sure how to even report a bug like this.
[03:26] <Woodpecker> now i try to exit qtcreator and it throws this error "Cannot write file /home/akiva/Programming/fc-autogen/fc-autogen.pro.user: Unknown error"
[03:30] <TJ-> Woodpecker: strart the program from the command-line, wrapped with "strace -f -o /tmp/strace.log -e trace=file /path/to/command <args>" then you can review the /tmp/strace.log to discover more
[03:31] <guiverc> Woodpecker, sorry I can't be much help, but I'd try `stat` that file to look for funny permissions, as well, check `smartctl` (smart status of drive(s)) or hardware as cause for unusual errors (but its probably because I don't have anything better)
[03:46] <Woodpecker> good ideas
[03:46] <Woodpecker> ty
[03:59] <thepro> hey anyone there can tell me how to study the research papers
[04:01] <maum> hello
[04:01] <thepro> hello
[04:01] <maum> thepro: how can install systemctl ?
[04:02] <dasda> hi?
[04:02] <maum> hello dash_
[04:03] <thepro> sudo apt-get install systemd try this out
[04:03] <maum> thepro: I did but some error -> Failed to issue method call: Failed to execute program /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success
[04:03] <thepro> if your current package is corrupt then use reinstall
[04:11] <dasda> somebody can help me to watch netflix on raspberry pi 3? :)
[04:14] <pengwens> dasda, you would need a version of chrome to watch netflix
[04:14] <pengwens> but the only versions that are up to date are 64 downloads
[04:15] <dasda> pengwens, My raspberry is with ubuntu mate and I installed chromium, because ther isn't chrome for raspi
[04:16] <pengwens> dasda, i read about some workarounds.  you still need to trick the netflix servers into thinking you're using chrome
[04:18] <pengwens> dasda, try asking on one of the pi forumns: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/4741/how-to-stream-netflix-on-raspbmc
[04:18] <dasda> pengwens, can U give me a link please, if U know it
[04:19] <dasda> oh, thank U :)
[04:19] <pengwens> (that's an old post, but it's been updated recently)
[04:19] <pengwens> have you tried running it in plain old firefox?
[04:27] <Woodpecker> It seems with btrfs, there is something about metadata that clogs up the system and causes it to throw those errors.
[04:27] <Woodpecker> My system would have had a lot considering I have tons and tons of small files.
[04:28] <Woodpecker> its no longer throwing me those errors since I emptied my browing history, and deleted around 15000 small files
[04:31] <dasda> pengwens, I tried with firefox and chromium and itś the same, I broked my firefox trying to install another versions
[04:41] <jac76> hello, does a channel exist where they discuss capturing live streaming video?
[05:28] <bboysoul> hello
[05:28] <bboysoul> any body here？
[05:34] <bboysoul>  Quit: Abandonando
[05:45] <pengwens> yes
[05:55] <bboysoul_> hello
[05:56] <bboysoul_> any body here>
[05:56] <bboysoul_> ?
[05:56] <segersjerry> !ask
[05:57] <bboysoul_> !fuck
[05:57] <bboysoul_> !ask
[05:57] <bboysoul_> join #linuxba
[06:52] <bboysoul1> ds
[06:55] <pikapika> Hi all
[06:55] <pikapika> I am having a strange problem
[06:56] <pikapika> I have let my previous Windows non-OS drives as it is as NTFS systems. Previously they were mounted on /media with a longer name since I didnt know much of Unix then, and feared conflict with any system mounts.
[06:57] <pikapika> It also had the added advantage that file managers showed the partitions as mounted storage
[06:57] <pikapika> in the left pane
[06:57] <pikapika> I forgot to mention the mount was effected by adding lines to fstab
[06:58] <pikapika> I also had symlinks in home folder to them
[06:58] <pikapika> Recently I decided that since they were from the internal hard disk and permanently mounted, so /mnt/ would be a more suitable mount point.
[06:58] <pikapika> So I unmounted them, edited fstab then rebooted.
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: backup your data & reformat the hd?
[06:59] <pikapika> No data is fine
[06:59] <pikapika> Listen to me fully first
[06:59] <pikapika> Also yeah I cleared the xfce session
[06:59] <pikapika> So now every alternate boot it shows a slightly older state of the hard disk
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: try to write your issue all in one line mate
[07:01] <pikapika> The more notable differences are that I changed theme and wallpaper recently. The older state is from slightly before these changes. When I reboot again, the proper state is shown again. Also the first time after editing fstab the shutdown took a long time. Sometime after booting it drops a crash log of plymouth. What might be the cause?
[07:01] <pikapika> I think I have explained myself fully now.
[07:02] <pikapika> loyuspsychje
[07:02] <pikapika> lotuspsychje
[07:03] <pikapika> Oh I forgot to say, the mounted folders display fine in shell, file manager, etc regardless. Just that when its in the older state, it well shows the older state with some new files missing, the wallpaper file missing, etc whereas in the normal state it shows everything correctly
[07:04] <pikapika> So any idea what might be the issue?
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: alot of text, but your missing essential details: ubuntu version? what did you change in fstab? system up to date to latest?
[07:06] <pikapika> Oh sorry. Here goes: Ubuntu lts 16.04 version, pretty updated, old by at most a day or two. Heres the output of uname -a: "Linux person 4.13.0-36-generic #40~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 16 23:25:58 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux" I am writing down the fstab change below:
[07:06] <pikapika> Hm funny
[07:07] <pikapika> It auto changed the fstab now. Previously through all these changes it always showed the fstab exactly as I had edited it
[07:07] <pikapika> Right now its: #UUID=xxxxxx /mnt/e ntfs defaults,x-gvfs-name=E%20drive 0 0
[07:08] <pikapika> same for the other drive. Commented out as I had done
[07:08] <theorchid> anyone have a computer with an A171 intel sound chip and know how to get it working?
[07:08] <theorchid> My laptop detects it but no sound
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> !uuid | pikapika doublecheck here
[07:08] <pikapika> But funny thing it, in the previous reboot it was showing the uncommented older state as opposed to my edit that commented it out. And options was defaults, it changed them to these
[07:09] <pikapika> And before all this fiasco, the only different was that instead of /mnt/e it was /media/longer_name
[07:10] <pikapika> Yes, they exactly match the fstab uuids
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> !sound | theorchid
[07:10] <theorchid> ubottu, I checked all that
[07:10] <theorchid> No luck
[07:11] <theorchid> I think i need to mess with ALSA configs from what I've read, but I wouldn't know where to start
[07:12] <pikapika> And sometimes during boot it says "running [some job] n/5" on /sda/n dont exactly remember but it had a timer and took like 10-11 sec
[07:13] <pikapika> So apparently something is automatically changing the fstab and I only noticed it now
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: try to tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin HD to see errors
[07:15] <pikapika> To clarify, before all these problems the lines were like: "UUID=xxxxx /media/long_name ntfs defaults 0 0", I manually changed it to "UUID=xxxxx /mnt/e ntfs defaults 0 0", rebooted thats when the issues started
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> theorchid: sudo lshw -C sound shows driver installed?
[07:18] <pikapika> Er I dont exactly understand, I wrote tail -n 500 syslog | grep "plugin" it showed 20-25 lines
[07:18] <pikapika> How do I look for messages related to the hard disk?
[07:19] <theorchid> lotuspsychje, yeah, and ALSA says it's working but there's no sound output
[07:19] <theorchid> pulseaudio config panel sees no issues
[07:19] <theorchid> I'm confuzzled
[07:19] <pikapika> Oh I see you asked to add the -f option, still same output
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> theorchid: wich ubuntu are you on?
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: hastebin the putput plz
[07:21] <theorchid> kubuntu 17.10
[07:21] <pikapika> 16.04 lts, this is what uname -a says: Linux person 4.13.0-36-generic #40~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Feb 16 23:25:58 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:22] <theorchid> I am gonna try 18.04 when it finishes downloading
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: no, hastebin of the syslog tail
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> theorchid: wich driver is loaded for your soundcard?
[07:23] <theorchid> I dunno, I'd have to boot back into linux
[07:23] <theorchid> Give me a few minutes I'll switch back to it
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> theorchid: allright
[07:24] <pikapika> https://hastebin.com/piqugoweho.erl
[07:24] <pikapika> Last 500 lines as I didnt find any mention of "plugin" before 300 lines
[07:25] <pikapika> Hm I am seeing some ntfs-3g messages that seem relevant now that I see
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: yeah, seems like your drive is mounted on desktop?
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: so for what reason did you change fstab exactly?
[07:28] <theorchid> lotuspsychje, snd_hda_intel
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> theorchid: ok, so somewhere in your logs it must go wrong
[07:30] <theorchid> where do I look?
[07:30] <person_> https://hastebin.com/piqugoweho.erl
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> check syslog or dmesg for sound issues theorchid
[07:33] <theorchid>  nope... no errors in either log. everything looks like it should be working but it's not
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> theorchid: think i recall some kubuntu issue with volume icon, perhaps the #kubuntu guys might know more of it
[07:34] <theorchid> well, I'll try regular ubuntu
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> theorchid: good idea
[07:34] <theorchid> see if that works
[07:35] <theorchid> I'll report back when I know
[07:38] <pikapika> hastebin containing entries having mount/mounting/ntfs terms in them: https://hastebin.com/dexefurazi.erl
[07:50] <pikapika> I have to go now. Later I will post the question and related logs, etc in a more organised form. Thanks for the help everyone.
[08:05] <shivam887> What is the difference between apt-get and apt ?
[08:06] <SwedeMike> shivam887: https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/
[08:06] <shivam887> i read it
[08:06] <shivam887> please explain me
[08:06] <shivam887> it says apt is for begginers
[08:06] <shivam887> but i dont think so , i think anyone can use apt-get and apt
[08:07] <shivam887> both are same
[08:07] <shivam887> apt shows  just loading line
[08:08] <SwedeMike> shivam887: you can use both, just choose which one you like more and does what you need.
[08:08] <shivam887> but both are just same
[08:10] <geirha> apt is easier for interactive use. apt-get is more useful for non-interactive use
[08:11] <shivam887> geirha : but both works same
[08:11] <shivam887> give me a example to distinguish b/w these two
[08:11] <geirha> apt search
[08:12] <shivam887> geirha :okay
[08:12] <theorchid> apt-get has a source an build-dep arg... I could be wrong but I think apt doesn't
[08:12] <ducasse> shivam887: apt includes functionality from other tools than apt-get
[08:13] <ducasse> theorchid: it does
[08:14] <theorchid> oh... then I remembered incorrectly
[08:14] <jussssss> how to reload module?
[08:14] <geirha> I still prefer aptitude though. Especially for searching. apt and apt-cache are useless in comparison
[08:14] <jussssss> modprobe -r x    then modprobe x
[08:15] <jussssss> is there a parameter do this
[08:17] <coustou> its a good idea to get a ubuntu phone or a phone to install ubuntu thse days? if yes wich is the best choice? does ubuntu phone keep getting security updates ?
[08:17] <coustou> *these
[08:19] <ducasse> coustou: ask in #ubports
[08:21] <maum> Is there some easy way to install oracle on ubuntu?
[08:26] <ducasse> maum: that's really a question for oracle
[08:27] <Gargoyle> maum: Oracle is a pretty big org... Not sure you just install it! ;-)
[08:27] <maum> ducasse: ok
[08:29] <guesgeusges> Does anybody know how well the T610 works with ubuntu?
[08:29] <bazhang> guesgeusges, is that a thinkpad
[08:30] <guesgeusges> bazhang: Poweredge
[08:32] <bazhang> https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201003-5450/ guesgeusges
[08:33] <guesgeusges> bazhang: Is R510 same as T610? T610 will have the  E5645 not the X550 cpu
[08:33] <shivam887> ITS ubuntu chat
[08:33] <shivam887> not CPU
[08:35] <bazhang> shivam887, he's asking if ubuntu works on it
[08:35] <shivam887> okay
[08:35] <shivam887> !
[08:35] <bazhang> shivam887, please take your non support differences between apt/and apt-get to another location, thanks
[08:36] <bazhang> guesgeusges, that seems to be a no
[08:36] <guesgeusges> Yeah, couldnt find it either
[08:36] <bazhang> guesgeusges, that being said, it does appear to work, just not fully certified
[08:41] <guesgeusges> bazhang: yeah, gonna ask if they can try to spin it up for me and try it out, would want to get bionic on it later tho since i have zero desire to put vms on it
[08:55] <tbqhmhsfamilam> Hello, I wonder if Gnome shell memory leak has any bugfix in sight?
[08:57] <shivam887> anyone has joined #archlinux
[08:57] <shivam887> please help me
[08:57] <shivam887> ?
[08:59] <ducasse> shivam887: for help with other channels, ask in #freenode
[09:10] <lisbeths> Where can I get a prerelease iso of vanilla ubuntu 18.04 64 bit knowing full well I may have to format after the lts comes out
[09:12] <bazhang> lisbeths, discussion in #ubuntu+1
[09:25] <Pharmasolin> Hi everyone, is here someone on ubuntu 18.04 with Nvidia card? I need nvidia driver but there was a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-390/+bug/1752053 and i'm not sure if it safe now to install it.
[09:26] <bazhang> Pharmasolin, #ubuntu+1 is the place for that
[09:27] <Pharmasolin> Thanks
[09:35] <rfv> is there any way to revert to 16.04.3 LTS? 16.04.4 apparently messed with my wifi adapter and I've been struggling for the last 3 days to make it work and I'm sick of it
[09:36] <ducasse> rfv: apt is not designed to do downgrades
[09:43] <rfv> hmm, that's how one ends up with a brick of a computer :)
[09:46] <mnr200> what client do you use for IRC?
[09:47] <hateball> rfv: maybe provide us with details of your problem and we can help you solve it
[09:47] <hateball> rfv: as in what wifi chipset etc
[09:48] <rfv> hateball: Asus network adapter with a broadcom chipset BCM4352 14e4:43b1 rev 03 it used to work with the bcmwl-kernel-source driver, not anymore after a reboot
[09:49] <rfv> currently running 16.04.4 and the bcmwl driver segfaults, tried the one from bionic and that one fails with "NULL ndev->ieee80211ptr, unable to deref wl"
[09:49] <rfv> the open source drivers don't work either
[09:50] <rfv> and I've been going through this https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers?noredirect=1&lq=1 and alot more internet posts trying to fix it
[09:50] <cbit> Slack tray-icon is not showing correctly on my Ubuntu 17.10, any clues? I installed Slack as a Snap package
[09:50] <rfv> what makes it even more complicated is the fact that I'm in a building without wired net connection, hence the computer being a brick now :)
[09:51] <adalbert> rfv: I had the same problem on my old macbook, I reinstalled bcmwl-kernel-source and dkms and it was fixed
[09:51] <hateball> hmm yes, not having *any* network connection would be troublesome
[09:51] <hateball> rfv: you could try rebuilding dkms modules
[09:52] <adalbert> rfv: the wl.ko module is probably missing on the new kernel ?
[09:52] <hateball> rfv: did you try "sudo dkms autoinstall" ?
[09:53] <hateball> as long as sources are available it should rebuild the module for the kernel
[09:56] <rfv> hmm, dkms status shows both broadcom-sta and bcmwl
[09:56] <rfv> @hateball dkms autoinstall did nothing
[09:58] <rfv> @adalbert lsmod shows wl as being in use by cfg80211, but not really sure which wl since I just removed both bcmwl and broadcom-sta
[10:01] <Blueskaj> 'Morning folks
[10:02] <adalbert> rfv: I have these:
[10:02] <adalbert> @mac-pc:/lib/modules$ find ./ -name wl.ko ./4.13.0-36-generic/updates/dkms/wl.ko ./4.13.0-32-generic/updates/dkms/wl.ko
[10:02] <adalbert> @mac-pc:/lib/modules$ lsmod | grep wl wl                   6447104  0 cfg80211              614400  1 wl
[10:02] <xzc> ls
[10:07] <rfv> @adalbert I have ./4.4.0-116-generic/updates/dkms/wl.ko Could you please post the result of dpkg -s bcmwl-kernel-source? You're running the LTS too, right ?
[10:14] <rfv> I'll try to reinstall (that is dpkg -i *.deb since no internet) dkms and bcmwl, though I remember doing that a couple of days ago
[10:19] <SpoopyBoi> I was wondering... should I switch to Ubuntu, I want to do game development and I really like using Ubuntu. I jsut unsure if it's wise to use Ubuntu as my main OS
[10:20] <bazhang> SpoopyBoi, thats outside the purview of this channel
[10:20] <RoBz> whats your development setup as is?
[10:20] <SpoopyBoi> What do you mean setup?
[10:20] <bazhang> which IDE SpoopyBoi
[10:21] <RoBz> yeah what language you use etc
[10:21] <SpoopyBoi> oh I see... mainly c# and c++
[10:21] <Mava> any tips: i've got 12Tb in raid5 on one hp server: the 1604 lts however recognizes the disk as 1.1TiB ? Like.. module error? some other error? pebcak?
[10:21] <bazhang> SpoopyBoi, and what is your current OS
[10:21] <SpoopyBoi> Windows
[10:22] <bazhang> SpoopyBoi, well read the free ubuntu manual in pdf form first
[10:22] <bazhang> !manual | SpoopyBoi
[10:22] <SpoopyBoi> I see... thanks
[10:23] <bazhang> SpoopyBoi, as far as tellin you why or why not, thats something only you can decide
[10:23] <bazhang> welcome
[10:23] <SpoopyBoi> okay... thanks for the help anyways
[10:24] <hateball> ah too bad they left, there are gaming related channels on freenode they could have found with !alis
[10:24] <hateball> (with devs on linux)
[10:26] <rfv> ok, after reinstalling both dkms and bcmwl, I still get wl: module license 'MIXED/Proprietary' taints kernel and then ERROR @wl_cfg80211_detach: NULL dev->ieee80211ptr, unable to deref wl
[10:28] <adalbert> rfv: https://pastebin.com/38Cm9m0v
[10:29] <adalbert> rfv: I'm running LTS yes.
[10:30] <rfv> @adalbert  yes, identical version, thanks
[11:00] <haskell> What is centos used for?
[11:01] <bazhang> typically servers haskell , that's better for ##linux as this is ubuntu support
[11:02] <haskell> Why is linux different from ubuntu
[11:02] <bazhang> haskell, it's not
[11:02] <haskell> So what is ubuntu then
[11:02] <bazhang> haskell, did you have an actual support issue with your ubuntu install
[11:03] <haskell> Just wondering
[11:03] <haskell> Web servers?
[11:03] <bencc1> top gives me %Cpu out of 100% or 100% X number-of-cores ?
[11:03] <bazhang> !manual | haskell
[11:03] <haskell> What distribution should I use for hardcore industrial dev
[11:03] <bazhang> !wiki | haskell and this
[11:03] <bazhang> haskell, Please dont ask us that
[11:03] <haskell> Why
[11:04] <haskell> In your opinion :-:-)
[11:04] <bazhang> haskell, this is strictly ubuntu support not a polling channel
[11:04] <bazhang> haskell, ##linux
[11:04] <haskell> K thanks
[11:04] <bazhang> welcome
[11:10] <dapeamel> Hi everyone when i try to add sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tehnick/tehnick  , I get following error: https://pastebin.com/HG8kZPtP  could someone help me?
[11:10] <dapeamel> how do I clean that?
[11:11] <bazhang> dapeamel, did you wish to purge the ppa
[11:13] <SOLDIERz> Hello everyone, is it possible to define mutliple volume groups in a preseed file and associate different physical disk to them?
[11:13] <bazhang> !purge-ppa | dapeamel
[11:17] <gbellinoz1> Anybody know why installing php7.2-dev wants to remove a bunch of php packages?  php7.1-dev does not.
[11:19] <pascalou> hi
[11:19] <pascalou> is there a standard way when building  packages to make a debug symbols package?
[11:26] <inviz> Hi. What is linux-azure-edge image for?
[11:26] <inviz> can it be installed on desktop workstation?
[11:32] <akik> inviz: it is for vms running on azure. why would you want to use it elsewhere?
[11:40] <terminalator> Is there a difference between 'umount' of 'fusermount -u'?
[11:40] <terminalator> or*
[11:41] <akik> terminalator: fusermount is for fuse mounts
[11:42] <terminalator> akik: When mounting with SSHFS, what that be considered a fuse mount?
[11:42] <akik> terminalator: yes
[11:42] <terminalator> akik: Oh, I see. Thanks for clearing things up.
[11:47] <Guest26096> What ubuntu distro to use for web dev?
[11:48] <akik> Guest26096: you can install the tools on any version
[11:48] <Guest26096> Yes but what is one which comes as a complete
[11:49] <akik> i don't think any flavor comes with every tool
[11:50] <Guest26096> Maybe I should make that then
[11:50] <Guest26096> No?
[11:50] <akik> it's really easy to request everything you need from the apt system
[11:51] <Guest26096> What would be the equivalent of that for win?
[11:51] <Guest26096> Apt
[11:51] <akik> chocolatey is similar
[11:57] <Guest26096> Why doesn't windows has such a package manager
[12:01] <adalbert> Guest26096: windows does have it, it's called Windows Store :)
[12:01] <saiD_> hi, anyone in here could help me with recompiling kernel for tinker board? i need to add ar9271 wifi support, thanks
[12:02] <piotrekbuc> hello
[12:02] <Guest26096> Not for cmd ln though?
[12:02] <piotrekbuc> i am checking connection
[12:03] <adalbert> Guest26096: https://superuser.com/questions/501699/install-windows-store-apps-from-the-command-line
[12:04] <piotrekbuc> anybody looks my message?
[12:04] <adalbert> piotrekbuc: yy
[12:05] <piotrekbuc> very good
[12:12] <StormWarrior> Hey.. I recently did a fresh install of ubuntu xx and earlier, when I had it on my system, I was able to see kernel scripts and init execute as part of my booting but now, I only see a blank screen before the log in screen.. any idea what happened and how I can get to see that part of the boot again?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> StormWarrior, you probly chose autologin
[12:14] <akik> StormWarrior: you can change the grub settings to see boot up messages
[12:14] <JimBuntu> StormWarrior, this may help you - https://askubuntu.com/questions/25022/how-to-enable-boot-messages-to-be-printed-on-screen-during-boot-up
[12:14] <StormWarrior> thanks
[12:15] <JimBuntu> Good morning BluesKaj
[12:15] <BluesKaj> passes by grub, hold the left shift key down after the POST page
[12:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[12:15] <gou> i made a bad decision upgrading to 17.10 guess i have to wait for april
[12:16] <akik> gou: you can make a good decision and install 16.04
[12:16] <BluesKaj> nothing wrong with 17.10 here
[12:16] <gou> to mush lag
[12:16] <gou> the mouse freeze
[12:16] <gou> much*
[12:18] <gou> and the screen freeze some times it is uncommitted distro
[12:18] <gou> incomplete
 guess you are right
[12:19] <BluesKaj> incomplete if you didn't update and upgrade after installing
[12:20] <gou> i do update  and still it is like horse sh*t
[12:20] <TJ-> gou: are there any clues in /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/syslog ? sounds like a hardware related issue
[12:20] <gou> i think the developers don't care about 17.10
[12:21] <akik> for me 17.10 with gnome 3 was unusable in virtualbox
[12:21] <BluesKaj> go
 nothing wrong in there idk what is the problem
[12:23] <TJ-> gou: can you "pastebinit < ( dmesg )"
[12:23]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...compaining doesn't help your situation gou
[12:23] <BluesKaj> complaining even
[12:23] <gou> i know
[12:23] <gou> i am just saying so no onw make my mistake
[12:24] <gou> no one*
[12:24] <gou> guess 16.4 is the best after all
[12:24] <TJ-> gou: does the problem happen with both the  Wayland and the  Xorg session ?
 just the wayland
 the xorg is fine really
[12:25] <TJ-> gou: so disable Wayland and continue using Xorg
[12:25] <Osirus126> hey guys i have a question
[12:25] <OlofL> Whats the best way to remote control a ubuntu desktop in 2018? is vnc still usable? can it set proper resolution etc
[12:25] <OlofL> from another ubunut machine
 iam doing that but really y they add it if its so laggy
[12:26] <Osirus126> for the new version of ubuntu server 17.10.2 my desktop doesnt seem to have a screen timeout anymore.. my screen used to turn off after a set period, but now it stays on all the time, is there a fix for this??
[12:26] <TJ-> gou: because it's not like that for most installs; you've obviously got particular hardware or system config that provokes the issue
 thank you tho guess il go with the xorg until 18.4 come out
[12:27] <akik> gou: ubuntu decided to make xorg the default in 18.04
 yes i think so to hardware problem
[12:28] <JimBuntu> OlofL, I would suggest xrdp and xfce if you want full on remote GUI and don't want to use the built-in desktop sharing feature (or can't)
 really ? wow didnt know that
 y tho ?
[12:29] <OlofL> JimBuntu: where is the built in to be found?
[12:30] <JimBuntu> Use the Unity search, 'Desktop Sharing'
[12:31] <sveinse> TJ-: My gnome display crazyness isn't going away. You helped me with installing a custom kernel, 4.15.0-041500rc9-generic. Is there any newer since this?
[12:31] <sveinse> I don't remember what I did to get this kernel installed :(
[12:32] <Osirus126> how do you set the screen to sleep in ubuntu server 17.10.2 after a amount of time?? this option used to be default but now i cant seem to get it to work
[12:32] <Osirus126> any help would be appreciated
[12:33] <JimBuntu> Osirus126, since it's 17.10, you may also want to ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:34] <sveinse> JimBuntu: Eh, is 17.10 ubuntu+1 ?
[12:34] <OlofL> JimBuntu: nothing available. only xrdp CLIENT and setting link to file sharing enable/disable
[12:34] <OlofL> im on ubuntu 1710
[12:35] <JimBuntu> sveinse, Osirus126 - I was wrong, #ubuntu+1 is for pre-release, whicvh 17.10 doesn't count as
[12:35] <TJ-> sveinse: there are some v4.16 release candidates
[12:36] <TJ-> sveinse: did you use my script that automatically installs the latest mainline kernel?
[12:36] <sveinse> TJ-: yes
[12:37] <TJ-> you can just execute it again then, if you can find where you put it!
[12:37] <TJ-> sveinse: it's name is wget_kernel_mainline.sh
[12:37] <sveinse> TJ-: to ease my search, was was it's name?
[12:37] <pagnol> Hi, I'm trying to debug why my USB headset studdenly stopped working on Ubuntu 16.10
[12:37] <pagnol> suddenly
[12:38] <pagnol> it's not in the output of lsusb
[12:38] <ioria> we really need an EOL notification daemon
[12:38] <TJ-> pagnol: check the logs; /var/log/syslog /var/log/kern.log for hardware clues
[12:38] <pagnol> should a msg appear in syslog upon plugging in/out the device?
[12:38] <TJ-> pagnol: and rememeber 16.10 is no longer supported; you really should upgrade
[12:38] <pagnol> there's nothing
[12:39] <pagnol> I'm actually on Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[12:39] <pagnol> my bad
[12:39] <TJ-> pagnol: Yes, when a USB device is connected the kernel will report it. The primary log-file to check is /var/log/kern.log but if you want to watch the kernel messages 'live' as you connect/disconnect the device use "dmesg -w"
[12:41] <pagnol> nothing stirs in the output of dmesg -w when I plug in or unplug
[12:41] <sveinse> TJ-: Thanks a lot!
[12:41] <TJ-> pagnol: have you tried connecting the device to different USB ports in case it's a port problem?
[12:41] <pagnol> only the device itself seems to notice it's been plugged in because some LED is blinking
[12:41] <pagnol> yes, I tried them all... going to try it on a different computer
[12:42] <TJ-> pagnol: good plan... if that confirms it works come back and we'll look at the logs more closely
[12:45] <foo357> Hello, I want to get information about a directory structure and save that information in a textfile. The information I'm after is pretty much what you get by doing 'ls' (content, date, filesize, et.c.). It's a moderatly big/deep directory structure.
[12:45] <foo357> You could say that what I want would be sort of a combination of 'ls' and 'tree'.
[12:46] <JimBuntu> foo357, `find ./ >myTextFile.txt` ?
[12:46] <JimBuntu> nvm, that wouldn't include the metadata by default
[12:47] <foo357> JimBuntu: exactly, that's sort of what I'm after, plus being presented in some nice way (like how 'tree' does seems ideal)
[12:47] <TJ-> foo357: "find . -ls > capturefile.log"
[12:49] <foo357> TJ-: thanks, that seems like a pretty good solution
[12:49] <TJ-> foo357: how about "tree -pus" ?
[12:49] <geirha> just be aware that find doesn't sort it
[12:50] <TJ-> foo357: 'tree' has several options that might give you the output you want, see "man tree"
 you seem educated in ubuntu matter where did you learn all of that   forms? or years and years of having errors and having to deal with them
[12:51] <TJ-> gou: by exploring,  experimenting, reading man-pages and source-code
[12:53] <pagnol> alright... it's not the headset's fault
[12:53] <TJ-> pagnol: right, so show us "pastebinit <( dmesg )" please
[12:53] <TJ-> pagnol: ^^^ with the H/S plugged in :)
 can you enlighten me where i can find some knolge in this matter
 knowledge **
[12:55] <adalbert> Does anyone got "Cockpit" running with Apache reverse proxy ? I could use some help here ...
[12:56] <pagnol> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nTHHppb4Wb/
[12:57] <foo357> TJ-, JimBuntu, geirha: "tree -aughD [dir]" seems like a good invocation. Thanks for the help.
[12:57] <JimBuntu> yw foo357
i really like the idea of solving errors and fixing problems i have some knowldge in python guess that will help solving broken codes along the way
[12:58] <geirha> foo357: no -p ?
[12:59] <foo357> geirha: yes, add 'p', even better
[13:11] <engblom> What is the difference between /etc/polkit-1 and /var/lib/polkit-1 ? Both directories seems to contain similar files?
[13:11] <TJ-> pagnol: thanks, now show us "pastebinit <( lsusb; lsmod; for f in /etc/modprobe.d/*; do echo '### $f'; cat $f; done )"
[13:11] <pagnol> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wFHdZd4Wx6/
[13:12] <engblom> My real struggle, with Bionic, is to get NetworkManager to accept that any user makes changes to the network settings, connecting to Wifi etc
[13:12] <engblom> Regardless of my tries to edit files under both places, I can not get it to work.
[13:14] <TJ-> engblom: what changes have you been making?
[13:14] <PCatinean> How do I export a shell variable that has a shell command in it with arguments
[13:14] <PCatinean> I get export -arg not a valid identifier
[13:15] <adalbert> PCatinean: use ` instead of "
[13:15] <PCatinean> Still get an error
[13:15] <engblom> TJ-: In com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla  I added netdev group for NetworkManager, the same in org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.pkla
[13:15] <TJ-> pagnol: is this a laptop?
[13:16] <PCatinean> kubectl get deployments -l app=myapp -l type=server -o json --output=jsonpath={.items..metadata.name}
[13:16] <PCatinean> I need to hold the result of this inside an variable
[13:16] <engblom> TJ-: Both files are under /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor
[13:16] <vlt> Hello. Is there a very fast compression tool I can pipe a disk image through to get a slightly smaller image than the original size? (much faster than gzip)
[13:16] <engblom> TJ-: Then I tried to copy them to a similar folder under /etc/polkit-1, but that did not help either
[13:17] <engblom> The user is surely in netdev group
[13:17] <TJ-> engblom: does polkitd need restarting to pick up the changes?
[13:17] <engblom> TJ-: I have even restarted the computer many times just to make sure this was not the cause
[13:17] <TJ-> engblom: OK - that was obvious one :)
[13:17] <PCatinean> adalbert,
[13:17] <pagnol> TJ-, it's a lenovo x220 thinkpad
[13:18] <TJ-> pagnol: have you tried this with AC adapter powering it, and on battery only?
[13:18] <pagnol> TJ-, both
[13:19] <pagnol> and it worked reliably for months and I can't remember having made any significant changes
[13:19] <TJ-> pagnol: it '/feels/ like a USB power saving issue since the device isn't even seen - my current hypothesis would be the hub/ports are auto-powered down and are not automatically re-activating when the device is connected
[13:19] <TJ-> pagnol: have you tested booting the oldest kernel still installed via the GRUB > Advanced sub-menu ?
[13:21] <TJ-> pagnol: originally I wondered if it was just the snd-usb-audio and associated modules not being loaded, but if that were the case the kernel would still see the device connect, which it isn't doing
[13:22] <pagnol> TJ-, even after a reboot and with the ac adapter plugged in there is no change
[13:23] <TJ-> pagnol: originally I wondered if it was just the snd-usb-audio and associated modules not being loaded, but if that were the case the kernel would still see the device connect, which it isn't doing
[13:23] <pagnol> hmm
[13:23] <TJ-> pagnol: does another USB device work / is detected in the same port the H/S is currently in?
[13:24] <raidghost> TJ-: Hey ;)
[13:25] <pagnol> TJ-, I have a usb stick that works without any issues
[13:25] <raidghost> Have been talking to the sw engineer of hauppauge, now got 12 adapters working. But wondering why my card numberr 4 of 4 wont show up in lspci. it shows 3 cards.
[13:26] <Onigiri> I have a silly issue on a bionic setup. If I ssh in with konsole from another host... I can clear the terminal with clear just fine.. but if I fire up a tmux instance and try to clear in that... it just rehomes the cursor and doesn't wipe the screen
[13:27] <ikonia> bionic disccusion in the #ubuntu+1 channel please
[13:27] <TJ-> pagnol: right... is it possible the port cannot deliver the power the H/S wants? do you have an external powered USB hub you could connect the H/S via?
[13:27] <Onigiri> ikonia: ok, thanks!
[13:27] <pagnol> TJ-, I've been using it for months though
[13:28] <TJ-> pagnol: I realise that, but something has changed so we need to use a process of elimination to narrow down where the cause is.
[13:28] <ioria> pagnol, is it detected by   lsusb ?
[13:28] <pagnol> no
[13:28] <TJ-> pagnol: it could be a kernel change has affected the port power settings, for example
[13:28] <pagnol> hmm
[13:29] <pagnol> the headphone actually has a fully charged battery and keeps working with blutooth devices even if I remove the usb cable
[13:29] <TJ-> pagnol: that system has Intel rate-matching hubs; they're supposed to automatically adjust to the type of device connected to a port - it's possible a driver change has broken that... or it's possible there's some config item being set differently
[13:30] <TJ-> pagnol: what's the make/model of the headset?
[13:30] <pagnol> TJ-, I'll try a USB hub...
[13:30] <vlt> vlt: lzop seems to be what you were looking for.
[13:30] <pagnol> it's a Sennheiser PXC 550
[13:31] <TJ-> pagnol: now you've told me it's dual interface USB Bluetooth I'm wondering if it somehow operates in BT-only mode for some reason  - although I note you tested it in another PC
[13:31] <pagnol> it has a blutooth and a no-blutooth mode and both stopped working
[13:31] <pagnol> it used to not matter which mode it was in
[13:31] <pagnol> btw thank you so much for taking the time to debug this issue with me!
[13:32] <pagnol> really appreciate that
[13:32] <ioria> pagnol, your kernel ? uname -r
[13:33] <pagnol> ioria, 4.13.0-36-generic
[13:33] <ioria> ok
[13:33] <TJ-> pagnol: I wonder if the system still has a log file showing the device successfully connecting so we know what to expect? Can you show us the oldest: "pastebinit <( zcat $(ls -1t /var/log/kern.log* ) )"
[13:33] <vlt> Hi! I'm trying to run `watch "kill -SIGUSR1 <pid>"` but get "sh: 1: kill: Illegal option -S". Any idea what I have to do to mak eit work with "watch"?
[13:33] <pagnol> TJ-, I connected my laptop to an active usb hub, I confirmed that the hub is working with my usb stick, but the headphones don't show up in dmesg -w
[13:33] <TJ-> pagnol: thanks, that's useful.
[13:33] <interrobang> htow show wrong start time in opposite to top
[13:34] <interrobang> anybody else the same problem?
[13:34] <TJ-> pagnol: silly question but.. when you connected the H/S to the different PC did you use the same USB cable?
[13:34] <interrobang> i have a process its startet 2 days ago, htop says ist on since 2 hours
[13:35] <interrobang> *htop
[13:35] <TJ-> pagnol: and just in case one of the USB controllers on the system isn't loading a driver for some reason, show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk )"
[13:35] <ioria> pagnol,  TJ-    usb autosuspend power-saving feature ?
[13:36] <TJ-> ioria: I wondered that but the same hub/port sees other devices correctly
[13:36] <ioria> ok
[13:36] <TJ-> ioria: and the device worked in another PC
[13:36] <pagnol> TJ-, not a silly question at all, I did use the same cable
[13:37] <pagnol> I know for sure that the cable is ok
[13:37] <TJ-> ioria: useful pastebins: dmsg: (no sign of the device being connected/detected) http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nTHHppb4Wb/  and lsusb / lsmod / etc/modules.d/*  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wFHdZd4Wx6/
[13:38] <vlt> vlt: `kill -USR1`
[13:38] <TJ-> pagnol: the *KEY* thing here is the kernel doesn't detect this particular device connected to a port. Is the device USB3? Is the port USB3 or USB2 or both?
[13:39] <pagnol> the laptop does not support USB3 afaik
[13:39] <TJ-> pagnol: and one other silly test you can do (which might point to an ACPI issue) suspend the laptop then resume it and connect the H/S
[13:40] <pagnol> TJ-, no change
[13:41] <TJ-> pagnol: show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk )"
[13:42] <pagnol> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8z9FHhpq23/
[13:45] <TJ-> pagnol: how about: pastebinit <( for n in /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb?/power/{autosuspend,runtime_status}; do echo $n=$(cat $n); done )"
[13:47] <pagnol> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4snNzg95v9/
[13:47] <TJ-> pagnol: I think it's worth trying this ACPI customisation: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[13:49] <OlofL> if I ssh -X remotehost how do I get the full desktop experience ? with login window and everything
[13:49] <pagnol> TJ-, I will go ahead and run your bash script then
[13:49] <OlofL> or can I only start apps one by one from cli
[13:50] <akik> OlofL: look up x2go. it's a client/server desktop service
[13:53] <OlofL> ok i will. but you didnt answer my question tho :P
[13:55] <pagnol> TJ-, I just ran acpi script and rebooted but there's no discernible change
[13:55] <TJ-> pagnol: check it's changed the setting, show me "cat /proc/cmdline"
[13:55] <pagnol> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.13.0-36-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2009" quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[13:56] <TJ-> pagnol: OK, that's good, so it didn't improve. Are you testing the H/S by plugging in after power on, or is it connected when the PC powers on ?
[13:56] <pagnol> I tried both and it didn't make a difference
[13:56] <TJ-> pagnol: also, if the PC has a detachable battery,  have you tried removing it for a minute or so and pressing the power button to clear weird artifacts in the circuitry?
[13:57] <pagnol> I tried all kinds of combinations of rebooting, suspending, doing so with the headset plugged in or out...
[13:57] <TJ-> pagnol: earlier I asked for a log but I think you missed it. Can you grab the oldest kernel log in case it shows the device being connected, so we know what it should look like:   "pastebinit <( zcat $(ls -1t /var/log/kern.log* ) )"
[13:57] <pagnol> ah I may have missed that, sorry..
[13:58] <TJ-> pagnol: let's hope its' old enough to capture the headset working ;)
[13:58]  * waseem18 checking
[14:01] <pagnol> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zxr3y36RjJ/
[14:01] <pagnol> grep for PXC
[14:02] <TJ-> pagnol: VERY interesting... notice the device keeps disconnecting almost immediately and being rediscovered... that's not a good sign, usually points to a failing device
[14:08] <TJ-> pagnol: still researching... not found anything obvious yet
[14:09] <pagnol> I'm surprised by that... because in practice was perfect plug and play
[14:09] <pagnol> it was *
[14:09] <pagnol> worked immediately without hickups
[14:12] <TJ-> pagnol: have you explored the BIOS settings options in case there's something related to either USB and/or power management generally that might cause this?
[14:13] <pagnol> TJ-, I'll see if I can completely deactivate the power saving feature
[14:13] <zacky83> join #dovecot
[14:13] <TJ-> pagnol: interesting - someone else with the Rate-Matching hub seeing similar issue with different headset: http://www.toontricks.com/2018/01/ubuntu-why-wont-my-usb-headset-show-up.html
[14:14] <TJ-> pagnol: oh, this is the original URL with more details for that: https://askubuntu.com/questions/565405/why-wont-my-usb-headset-show-up-in-lsusb-or-dmesg
[14:15] <pagnol> good find
[14:15] <rfv> I have an unclaimed ethernet (this time ethernet, not wireless) controller, not being managed by network-manager in ubuntu 16.04 - chipset Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet. Reloading the atl1c module result in the following issue: MAC state machine can't be idle since disabled for 10 ms second. Any ideas?
[14:15] <nehemiah> I made an preseeded Ubuntu installation that fails. But the failure is not very descriptive. It happens during the package installation. Anyway, is it possible to drop to a command line and get some logs during installation?
[14:15] <nehemiah> It's Ubuntu Server btw.
[14:21] <rfv> pci=noacpi for the above to work (at least I got one of my network controllers working today)
[14:22] <NoCode> Alright, so when I went to restart because of an update, the low-latency kernel stopped working. Suggesting some kernel modules were not loaded, and it also complained about nvidia too. Should I get some dmesg logs?
[14:23] <NoCode> Also the lowlatency kernels are old as hell.
[14:24] <TJ-> pagnol: this may seem like another daft question, but this is after I've been reading up on the PXC 550 model, and everything I find only talks of the Bluetooth conectivity. Only mention of USB is in the context of the micro-USB /charging/ port. So, firstly, are you /sure/ the audio was over USB when they worked? And if so, are you /sure/ the current cable connecting them isn't a charging-only cable (e.g.
[14:25] <TJ-> data pins not connected) - try another known working data cable?  - if they do work as a USB audio device can you capture how they show up on the other PC where they work (possibly using an Ubuntu LiveISO boot if it's a Windows/Apple PC)
[14:32] <pagnol> TJ-, yes, perfectly sure
[14:32] <TJ-> pagnol: is this the model? https://en-us.sennheiser.com/wireless-headphone-headset-bluetooth-noise-cancelling-pxc-550-travel
[14:32] <pagnol> TJ-, I deactivated the blutooth adapter of my laptop in the bios settings
[14:33] <pagnol> that's the one
[14:33] <TJ-> pagnol: arghhh.. why did you deactive it? did that coincide with the headphones not appearing?
[14:34] <pagnol> TJ-, misunderstanding, it's always been deactivated
[14:34] <pagnol> right when I got the laptop I deactivated to save power
[14:34] <pagnol> and since I have no use for it
[14:34] <pagnol> since my headset works with usb ;-)
[14:35] <pagnol> seriously, it works, maybe the manufacturer doesn't advertise it... it used to nicely show up in the unity-control-center sound settings as a separate device
[14:37] <TJ-> pagnol: read page 39 of the user manual... is it possible the audio connector socket in the headset has partially broken - because on that page it says "...transmissionvia USB is disabled and the headphones go to flight mode when the audio cable is plugged in." ... that would instantly make me suspect the 3.5mm socket in the H/S has it's plug-detect leg stuck so it thinks a plug is in the socket even when
[14:37] <TJ-> it's empty
[14:37] <TJ-> pagnol: link  https://en-us.sennheiser.com/global-downloads/file/6983/PXC550_IM_A02_EN.pdf#PXC550_IM_A02_EN.indd%3A.34948%3A2888
[14:38] <pagnol> TJ-, my colleague has the same model and it equally didn't work when I plugged it in
[14:39] <TJ-> pagnol: does the audio cable input work? maybe using that then trying USB again might kick it into life?
[14:39] <pagnol> pagnol, I'll give that a try
[14:40] <TJ-> pagnol: as the kernel doesn't even see the device I'd bet money the issue is in the HeadSet
[14:44] <TJ-> pagnol: also, did you try the Headset reset procedure? Switch off, press the Effect Mode Control for 4 seconds
[14:44] <pagnol> TJ-, I had no idea it has that... thank you
[14:45] <TJ-> pagnol: reading manuals can sometimes be valuable :)
[15:00] <TJ-> pagnol: If the problem is with the PC, from what I've reading, the X220 is supposed to have USB3 ports and controller. Also, your dmesg shows it is on BIOS v1.24 18th Oct 2011, but there's a v1.43 26th Oct 2016 available. I'd highly recommend updating that. See   https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/gb/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-x-series-laptops/thinkpad-x220/downloads
[15:02] <pagnol> TJ-, on later bios versions the ddr ram speeds are limited so I didn't want to upgrade
[15:02] <pagnol> 1333 instead of 1866
[15:02] <pagnol> mhz
[15:03] <pagnol> but I'll update to 1.28 which still permits 1866 mhz apparently
[15:03] <TJ-> pagnol: the changelog is at https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles/8duj28us.txt
[15:05] <TJ-> pagnol: you're probably referring to v1.40 (<1.40-1.24>): "Mitigate risk of security vulnerability related to DRAM Row Hammering."
[15:05] <mouseover> I am not a noob, but I feel like one... I am on Ubuntu 16.10, how do I install "libavcodec"? Its apparently not in the main repositories. Which PPA should I add?
[15:06] <TJ-> mouseover: Replaced by ffmpeg I seem to recall
[15:08] <TJ-> mouseover: also, I hope you're aware that 16.10 is End Of Life and is no longer supported
[15:09] <mouseover> TJ-: True... but I just want to be able to get the binaries for FFPMEG
[15:10] <TJ-> !eol | mouseover Use the old-releases repos then as detailed in the EOL guide
[15:12] <mouseover> TJ-: So essentially, I need to update my sources.list file? If so, how can I point to the "old releases" repo? Furthermore, even if I do this, how can I be certain that libavcodec will be there? Could I add an older (and supported) Ubuntu PPA instead?
[15:17] <TJ-> mouseover: like I said, libavcodec packages are provided by ffmpeg. Many years ago (2011) the ffmpeg project forked and gave birth to libav. Debian and Ubuntu switched to libav libraries and then later switched back to ffmpeg in 2015
[15:19] <mouseover> Yes, I have been vaguely made aware of the story
[15:20] <mouseover> Nonetheless, I updated the 16.10 repo URLs to point to the "old reposotires" PPA. However, when I run "apt-get update && apt-get install libavcodec-dev "... it says "http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/ffmpeg/libavcodec57_3.0.7-0ubuntu0.16.10.1_amd64.deb  404  Not Found".
[15:20] <TJ-> pagnol: I've figured out the USB3 confusion. It was only on the i7 models, as the rear-left (coloured blue). On i3/i5 it seems they're all USB2, black on left-side, yellow always-on power o right
[15:21] <mouseover> Now, when I navigate to that URL, there is indeed no such file as "libavcodec57_3.0.7-0ubuntu0.16.10.1_amd64.deb", but there is a "libavcodec57_3.2.4-1build2_amd64.deb". So, how can I make "apt-get" get the right files?
[15:21] <TJ-> mouseover: as I said, 16.10 isn't supported. There may be some package versions missing from old-releases.ubuntu.com
[15:27] <isaiahnixon> Hello, if I run Ubuntu and have some bash scripting questions, is this the right place to ask them?
[15:28] <mouseover> Ok, thanks TJ-
[15:29] <vlt> isaiahnixon: Yes, this. Or #bash
[15:30] <isaiahnixon> Awesome. Thanks vlt.
[15:43] <ash_work> I dunno where to ask this really; a postgres container of mine only ever uses 80 columns... any ideas on what I should be looking at configuring to fix this?
[15:43] <ash_work> 80 columns of console space
[15:44] <TJ-> ash_work: what kind of container? LXD?
[15:45] <ash_work> TJ-: alpine
[15:46] <TJ-> ash_work: that's not a container technology is it? that's the userspace inside.
[15:47] <ash_work> TJ-: I mean the container is running alpine, the container technology is docker
[15:47] <ash_work> TJ-: (sorry, I didn't get what you meant before)
[15:50] <TJ-> ash_work: generally 'stty' is used to set/change the terminal settings, but you'd have to check the alpine/container config to figure out why it's using 80 columns
[15:50] <TJ-> ash_work: that, or possibly docker. I presume the host OS is using much wider terminal?
[15:51] <ash_work> TJ-: yes, it is
[15:51] <TJ-> see if "stty cols 132" makes it change (inside the container)
[15:51] <ash_work> TJ-: I don't know where that setting would be :\
[15:56] <hfp> Hi all, I don't miss OSX at all but one thing I do miss sorely is the preview app to draw, write, and sign PDF forms. I tried LibreOffice Draw and it's a hit or miss, some documents are messed up because it seems Draw tries to convert them to a text document. Is there a Linux application that would let me draw or write over a PDF the same way Preview does? i.e. not touch the original document, just add
[15:56] <hfp> another layer where I can draw and write.
[16:01] <vlt> hfp: Maybe "okular".
[16:07] <TJ-> hfp: the only one I know of is a cross-platform tool called MasterPDF Editor which is proprietary but has a free-of-cost version
[16:07] <hfp> vlt: It does forms, but it doesn't look like it will let me write any text anywhere for those "fake" forms that don't have fillable fields, unless I'm missing something?
[16:20] <alexia8949847393> hi. any advice on how to diagnose why my vpn connection dies? I have ufw set up really strictly and it connects fine on boot but can't seem to reconnect later? Where would I find a log file to help me figure it out
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> most log files are kept in /var/log and often in a folder or file of the same name as the application
[16:21] <alexia8949847393> so would that be the vpn log file?
[16:21] <alexia8949847393> or ufw?
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> I would start with /var/log/syslog ... connect and disconnect from the VPN to see what is appended to the log file. If nothing regarding your VPN connection is seen, it will be in one of the other files. "ufw" if enabled logs to syslog
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> You can change the log level of ufw in /etc/ufw/ufw.conf... I'm not familiar with ufw to know what options are available, I would recommend reading the documentation on ufw first
[16:24] <TJ-> alexia8949847393: could it be the VPN starts and connects before UFW engages? (presumably the firewall is allowing state ESTABLISHED,RELATED but possibly not the outgoing initial connection
[16:27] <hfp> thanks TJ-, looks like what I was after.
[16:28] <alexia8949847393> @TJ- interesting, thanks for the idea. I'm hoping it isn't that. I've been able to reboot vpn and maybe will set up a script to reboot it instead of rebooting the whole machine. I'm really tired of messing with ufw -- has been frustrating to set up a secure torrent box with the right permissions. Thanks for the idea.
[16:30] <alexia8949847393> @pragmaticenigma thanks have been wanting to check the log but i feel like its happening hours between when i notice. ill try rebooting the service and check it immedaitely then. thanks for telling me location. cheers!
[16:34] <hfp> what are "proposed" in allowed origins when configuring unattended updates?
[16:34] <sere> can shuf print random paragraphs from a file
[16:35] <Truk> hello, i made a gitlab-ci script, and several scripts
[16:35] <Truk> but when i set CONDITION_BUILD: "false" and after do :
[16:35] <TJ-> hfp: the <release>-proposed component where packages intended to move into <release>-updates start life until they're verified working
[16:36] <Truk> if [ $(git diff @~..@ --name-only --diff-filter=AMDR .) ] || [ "$CONDITION" ]; then
[16:36] <hfp> TJ-: I see, so it's beta testing for updates in a way?
[16:36] <Truk> it always enters inside the condition
[16:36] <Truk> whereas it's false
[16:37] <hfp> and backports are packages that are no longer supported for this ubuntu version, but someone integrated a specific update into the outdated version so people can still enjoy the new feature?
[16:38] <TJ-> hfp: backports are newer versions of a limited range of packages taken from a later release. E.g. a package from 17.04 might have been backported to 16.04, so if xenial-backports component was enabled that package would be installable
[16:39] <hfp> TJ-: that makes sense, thanks
[16:39] <pragmaticenigma> Truk, the second half of your condition is always going to evaluate to true I believe
[16:39] <Truk> pragmaticenigma: why ?
[16:41] <amitprakash> Why is ubuntu only showing 8 of 16G Ram?
[16:42] <amitprakash> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YMYGShPVbf/
[16:44] <sere> can shuf print random paragraphs from a file
[16:44] <Cheez> amitprakash: i'm seeing 16G there
[16:44] <Cheez> 4 DIMM slots, 2 with 8GB modules in, 2 empty
[16:45] <amitprakash> Cheez, correct, not look at the output of free -m
[16:45] <amitprakash> Shows only 8G
[16:45] <amitprakash> end of the file
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> amitprakash, In more recent operating systems, memory is managed very differently. A program can request as much memory as it thinks it will need, and gives back memory to the system when the system asks for it. You currently have programs that are utilizing 8G of RAM.
[16:45] <Cheez> ooh, i missed that
[16:46] <Arsys> hai
[16:46] <Cheez> pragmaticenigma: the total should still reflect the total.
[16:46] <amitprakash> pragmaticenigma, that is fine.. but the system displayed total of 8G ram
[16:46] <amitprakash> That is not correct
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... I didn't see that till now either
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> I would shut down the computer, and remove power... remove all the memory and reinsert them
[16:47] <pragmaticenigma> if it still doesn't work, remove all but one, boot the machine... keep doing that to ensure all the memory boards are working
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> If all the memory boards are working independently, then try a memory tester
[16:49] <sd_> Hi, I am new to networking.  I have configured two IP addresses for eth0 interface. How can I enable connectivity between them?
[16:56] <pragmaticenigma> Unless you are setting up VLAMs, an Ethernet port can only have one IP address assigned to it at a time.
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> sd_, mean to say an ethernet interface
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> *meant
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> hexchat is no bueno
[16:59] <sd_> @pragmaticenigma, yes am trying to setup a vlan. I want to ssh to VM from host, but VM has different subnet. So basically I added another IP
[17:00] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: not true, an Ethernet interface can have hundreds/thousands of IP addresses attached :D
[17:00] <Vamp898> Is it possible to use NIC Bonding with an Ethernet Card and an Wifi Card?
[17:00] <ikonia> why would you do that
[17:01] <ikonia> Vamp898: what is the problem you want to solve
[17:01] <TJ-> sd_: if you mean you have, say, eth0 with "ip addr add 192.168.1.1/24 dev eth0; ip addr add 192.168.1.2/24 dev eth0; then they're the same device so the concept of a loopback doesn't really hold in the sense you mean it
[17:01] <TJ-> Vamp898: Yes
[17:03] <Vamp898> Telekom in Germany provides something called "Hybrid" where you have a slow Land-Line and can boost the speed with an LTE connection. I am wondering how this works. I am sure it is more than bonding but that brought me to the thinking if just bonding would work at all
[17:03] <ikonia> not like that, no
[17:03] <sd_> so I have eth0:203.x.x.x, which is my host ip. Then I added eth0 static ip 10.0.0.10. I have another machine 10.0.0.100 connected to 10.0.0.10. I now want to ssh 10.0.0.100 from my host ip. Is it possible
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> Vamp898, often they use the slow land line as an upload connection sending requests to a server. the server then sends the requested data over the higherspeed link
[17:03] <sd_> @TJ- ^
[17:04] <TJ-> sd_: ouch! so you're trying to host and route multiple sub-nets on a single interface?
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> Vamp898, it usually requires special hardware on both ends provided by the service provider
[17:04] <sd_> Yeah @TJ-
[17:05] <TJ-> so what is connected to the other end of eth0's cable?
[17:05] <TJ-> sd_: ^^^
[17:06] <sd_> I have a hypervisor running @TJ-
[17:06] <Vamp898> pragmaticenigma: so this is a hardware thing?
[17:06] <sd_> host<->eth0<->10.0.0.10<->10.0.0.1<->hypervisor<->10.0.0.100
[17:07] <sd_> @TJ- ^^
[17:07] <TJ-> Vamp898: Linux bonding does work in that scenario
[17:07] <TJ-> sd_: but host->eth0 also has the public IP address?
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> Vamp898, not entirely... you can accomplish it with software, but many providers offer proprietary equipment for stability
[17:08] <sd_> yes host->eth0 has public ip
[17:09] <TJ-> sd_: I'd think it'd be much easier to create a virtual 'dummy' interface for the 10.x nextwork then you can use regular routing
[17:10] <sd_> ohk..
[17:13] <TJ-> sd_: you'd load the kernel module ("sudo modprobe dummy") then you'll have a new interface(s) called dummyX ("ip link show") which you could then add your 10/8 sub-net to
[17:14] <sd_> Yeah I get it. but is it possible to add connectivity between host (public ip) and the dummy ?
[17:15] <TJ-> sd_: you would get that naturally as a byproduct of the routing tables
[17:16] <sd_> @TJ- thanks, I will check that
[17:16] <TJ-> sd_: if you have any other physical hosts needing to talk to the hypervisor sub-net 10/8 you'd have to use a VLAN though
[17:16] <sd_> ohk
[17:17] <TJ-> sd_: or set specific routes on those other hosts telling them the gateway for the 10/8 sub-net is your 203.x.y.z. on eth0
[17:18] <sd_> Yeah ok
[17:18] <Zer0x> Is there a channel for tech support here on freenode_
[17:18] <Zer0x> ???
[17:18] <kostkon> !alis | Zer0x
[17:22] <Zer0x> !alis
[17:25] <fub> Hi. Im running ubuntu 16.04 with an nvidia card and a 4k screen over hdmi. When looking at some pictures, there is no "fading". I see hard "edges" in the pictures. I made a photo with my mobile phone: https://imgur.com/a/pszU5
[17:26] <fub> This is when looking at this picture: http://i.imgur.com/4pTWZbp.png
[17:26] <fub> When I look at the picture from a different computer, the picture looks fine to me (without edges)
[17:27] <Kon-> fub, are you using the exact same monitor when you're viewing it on the other PC?
[17:28] <fub> Kon-: no
[17:28] <Kon-> This is color banding. It's more noticeable when you're using a high quality monitor. It results from low color depth in the image. What you are looking at is probably an 8-bit image, and I'm guessing it is not native 4K resolution either.
[17:29] <fub> so its a problem of the image and not a problem of my ubuntu?
[17:29] <fub> is there any way to verify that all my colors are fine?
[17:30] <Kon-> It's the most likely explanation. Low bitrate in a video also compounds color banding issues
[17:31] <fub> Kon-: no, there has to be a problem. I just downloaded this image: https://www.setaswall.com/4k-wallpapers/city-night-raod-4k-wallpaper-3840x2160/
[17:31] <fub> looks awful here, let me take a picture
[17:32] <fub> https://transfer.sh/SySMm/screen2.jpg
[17:34] <Kon-> fub, Some color banding is evident to me even on my 1080p monitor, and I'm only looking at the 768x432 image on the page you linked
[17:35] <fub> Kon-: I have this on every "4k" image with dark parts on it
[17:35] <TJ-> fub: have you checked on the resolution and bits-per-pixel being used? "xrandr -q; xdpyinfo""
[17:35] <adalbert_afk> fub: maybe x11 default color depth is wrong ?
[17:38] <fub> https://transfer.sh/oYhtg/xrandr and https://transfer.sh/x7J40/xdpyinfo
[17:38] <fub> adalbert: how do I find this out?
[17:38] <Genora51> Hello
[17:38] <tgm4883> !pastebin | fub
[17:39] <fub> ok, transfer.sh is curl'able, so I thought thats fine. will use a pastebin next time
[17:39] <tgm4883> fub: I'd rather not download a text file just to read it when pastebin works
[17:39] <fub> tgm4883: all right.
[17:40] <adalbert> fub: /etc/X11/xorg.conf there should be a "Screen" section with DefaultDepth parameter
[17:40] <adalbert> fub: xrandr -q; xdpyinfo
[17:40] <adalbert> oops
[17:40] <adalbert> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1178315
[17:41] <tgm4883> adalbert: seems he's at 24  "  depth of root window:    24 planes" right?
[17:41] <fub> xwininfo -root tells me Depth is 24
[17:41] <tgm4883> fub: what GPU what monitor?
[17:41] <fub> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750] (rev a2)
[17:42] <fub> Samsung U28E590
[17:42] <adalbert> fub: your X11 config is fine then ...
[18:12] <fub> adalbert: what do you mean?
[18:15] <TJ-> fub: does the monitor's own information on-screen display report being driven at UHD resolution and 60Hz ?
[18:18] <fub> TJ-: its says 3840x2160, 134.8kHz 60Hz
[18:23] <GoopAway> Can I setup an LDAP server specifically for authenticating users?
[18:26] <vadi> How can I get the GRUB menu to show? I hold shift down, but instead of the menu, I get a blinking cursor.
[18:27] <TechChristoph> Hi
[18:28] <TechChristoph> how can i See older messages
[18:28] <arora> TechChristoph: Older messages of what?
[18:28] <TechChristoph> because every time i log oft the Messages are gone
[18:28] <TechChristoph> of irc
[18:29] <TechChristoph> and i dont know why?
[18:31] <vadi> irc doesn't save older messages
[18:31] <TechChristoph> ok
[18:31] <dax> !1984
[18:32] <TechChristoph> because  when I log off all previous messages are gone
[18:32] <TechChristoph> so how can I follow the conversation ?
[18:33] <TechChristoph> do I need a bouncer?
[18:35] <tgm4883> TechChristoph: yes
[18:43] <fub> TJ-, tgm4883 any other things I can try to fix this?
[18:44] <fub> this is my xorg.conf: https://pastebin.com/yHMaRbgH
[18:45] <outoftime_92> compiz consume 100% cpu, is there a way to find out what has happend?
[18:46] <garyserj> Why is it that wget for ubuntu the latest seems to be 1.17 whereas looking at wget for windows here https://eternallybored.org/misc/wget/  they have 1.19   Is it possible for me to get wget 1.19 on ubuntu?
[18:46] <outoftime_92> garyserj: check snap
[18:46] <klimt> can somebody suggest a web-based movie management tool? where it's also possible to stream the movie from the browser, see feedback from imdb etc.
[18:47] <klimt> sth like kodi, but web-based.
[18:48] <garyserj> outoftime_92: if I do snap find wget I see demo-wget and that's 1.17
[18:49] <outoftime_92> garyserj: maybe 18.04 has 1.19? check launchpad and custom *.deb packages.
[18:50] <outoftime_92> how to restart compiz?
[18:57] <nacc> !info wget | garyserj
[18:57] <nacc> garyserj: in artful and beyond
[18:58] <pl0tz> #leave
[19:05] <meandrain> hi, any idea if it is possible to instal gcc-5.3 on ubuntu 16.04 using apt ?
[19:05] <gehn> meandrain, 16.04 should already use 5.4 by default
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> meandrain, is there a particular reason behind needing a different version?
[19:06] <gehn> meandrain, is there some reason you can't use 5.4?
[19:06] <gehn> meandrain, there's https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ubuntu/test
[19:06] <meandrain> I need to install older nvidia drivers (340), that video card does not work with newer drivers, and when building nvidia module it says I need gcc 5.3
[19:07] <gehn> meandrain, 5.4 should be able to compile anything you can compile with 5.3
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, it might be better for us to help you figure out what isn't working with your Nvidia drivers
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> gehn, it is also possible to downgrade without compiling your own
[19:07] <meandrain> I'll reinstall gcc 5.4 and tell you then what is the error message
[19:07] <gehn> pragmaticenigma, wrong person?
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> yes gehn ... I meant to phrase those to meandrain ... my bad
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> meandrain, , it might be better for us to help you figure out what isn't working with your Nvidia drivers
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> meandrain, it is also possible to downgrade without compiling your own
[19:11] <meandrain> this is the error message:  https://i.imgur.com/oBgXuo7.png
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> If you are really interested in trying this approach... and your system is backed up... You can choose the option to ignore the cc version check
[19:13] <meandrain> I did a snapshot of my filesystem, so everything is ok
[19:13] <meandrain> the modules builds ok but then fails to load
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> meandrain, there are some decent instructions here for how to downgrade your driver using a downloaded .deb from nvidia. https://askubuntu.com/questions/774651/switching-between-nvdia-driver-versions-on-16-04
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> It might be worth looking into
[19:17] <meandrain> pragmaticenigma: thank you!
[19:18] <meandrain> I will try that
[19:20] <kostkon> meandrain, which graphics cards is it though
[19:20] <kostkon> card*
[19:20] <meandrain> gt 240
[19:22] <ceibal> descargar minecraft
[19:22] <kostkon> meandrain, that's really old hardware. isn't the performance with nouveau good enough for such a card?
[19:22] <meandrain> I had a curiosity about playing with cuda on it
[19:22] <meandrain> nouveau works ok but cuda is not detected
[19:24] <kostkon> meandrain, it's a 10 year old card it's probably not good enough for latest cuda applications. i might be wrong though
[19:24] <ikonia> why waste your time
[19:25] <meandrain> you are right, I kindof waste time
[19:25] <streaky> devil's advocate: you can still dev for cuda with slower cards
[19:25] <meandrain> (learning) but probably I should buy a new card
[19:25] <ikonia> "dev for cuda" ?
[19:26] <streaky> write code..
[19:26] <ikonia> ahh you mean write your own stuff that still uses it on the older card
[19:26] <streaky> sure
[19:26] <streaky> you'll probably need an older api with less features and it'll be relatively slow but..
[19:27] <ikonia> waste of time
[19:27] <streaky> meh
[19:27] <pragmaticenigma> CUDA detection is not required for use of all the features of the graphics card. CUDA detection is for application that want to make use of the GPU's cores for purposes other than graphics display. The graphics drivers always have access to the resources available on the card
[19:28] <streaky> i wouldn't buy a 1080ti to put in my dev box for autobuilds
[19:28] <streaky> a 10 year old card from ebay for tuppence though..
[19:28] <pragmaticenigma> I didn't think you could use CUDA to compile with
[19:28] <ikonia> you can't can you
[19:28] <streaky> you can functional test against it..
[19:29] <streaky> it's not something i'd do at all but hypothetically..
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> unless your cryptocurrency mining or doing some heavy video editing
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> I don't see the reason for CUDA
[19:30] <streaky> ai?
[19:30]  * pragmaticenigma hexchat really isn't my friend today
[19:30] <streaky> physics calculations
[19:30] <streaky> i've theorised database optimisations too but people think i'm mad and i don't have time to prove them
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> The reason they think your made is because CUDA doesn't have checks and balances like a traditional CPU. You'd have to verify all the results to ensure data accuracy and not have another operation influence the result set
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> GPUs work best where fuzzy results are acceptable... meaning the results can be a little off and no-one will mind
[19:32] <streaky> we live in a world where people don't care what their db says just that it's fast
[19:32] <streaky> else eventual consistency wouldn't be a thing
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> Not true streaky ... you wouldn't want emergency services to get your address wrong when looking up your phone number and send emergency responders in the wrong direction
[19:33] <streaky> different dbs for different use cases
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> you wouldn't want your power utility to goof up production because they're off by a megawatt and blow half the cities transformers
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> !offtopic anyways
[19:34] <streaky> of course having technically invalid data for safety of life situations isn't a thing
[19:49] <arvut> Hi, any idea what "skipping server <ip to default route> KoD code" is? connmand
[20:00] <rmunson> Where does thunderbird save chat logs to?
[20:00] <ikonia> does it even save them ?
[20:00] <ikonia> I thought you had to turn it on to do that
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> rmunson, you can check out the .thunderbird directory in your home folder... that is where Thunderbird stores it's data and configuration
[20:01] <rmunson> pragmaticenigma: thought so, just needed confirmation. ;-) Thx bud!
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> rmunson, two caveats, first you have to have enabled saving of the logs. the other, the logs may actually be saved in SQLLite Dbs which requires a SQLLite reader, which can be easily found in the package manager
[20:02] <rmunson> pragmaticenigma: advanced user here, just was too lazy to dig, lol!
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> ah, okay... good to know... I've never used Thunderbird for chat. I'm still a avid Pidgin/Finch user
[20:03] <fishcooker> what is org.a11y.atspi.Registry what package provided it?
[20:03] <arvut> pragmaticenigma: irssi is pretty neat
[20:03] <rmunson> prag...you were spot on dude!
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> I use Hexchat for IRC
[20:03] <fishcooker> i dont get used to arvut
[20:04] <fishcooker> pidgin +1 pragmaticenigma
[20:05] <rmunson> pragmaticenigma: theyre in .json format, basically plain text, yay!
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> fishcooker, to help you better, could you please tell us how you came to know that you needed that library/package? Unfotunatly the org.a11y.atspi.Registry doesn't tell us much and could be used/referenced in multiple programs
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> neat rmunson
[20:14] <ljetibo> Is there a reason to prefer ssh-keygen -R instead of manually editing ~/.ssh/known_hosts?
[20:15] <yuriy> hello. i moved yesterday config file with "mv" command, but i thought i made "cp" and did ovverride my important server config...
[20:16] <yuriy> what to do in such situation?
[20:16] <Ool> ljetibo: no, exept with the command , you can't do error in the file
[20:17] <yuriy> i tried extundelete, but it doesnt help
[20:17] <pavlos> ljetibo: with -R you can remove all keys pertaining to a hostname
[20:18] <Ool> yuriy: not sure what did you do, but perhaps it's time to use your backup or the last commit if you use etckeeper
[20:19] <yuriy> thank you for interesting package
[20:19] <pavlos> yuriy: find that server config from another system
[20:20] <yuriy> the problem is that custom config for nginx virtual host... spent a lot of time on that configure
[20:21] <yuriy> no backup...
[20:21] <pavlos> yuriy: since no backup, you need to reconfigure nginx virtual hosts
[20:21] <ljetibo> Ool, pavlos: thanks
[20:21] <Ool> 'important' and 'no backup' seems strange together, isn't it
[20:24] <pavlos> yuriy: you might find online sample configs for nginx virtual hosts, then adjust them to your env
[20:25] <Draconiator> I hooked up myu netbook hard drive to my desktop becvause I need help...the hard drive that WAS in here is on its way out, and I'm trying to install Windows 10 on it so I can clone it when I get the new one.  is there a way to format a Linux drive so I can use it for that?
[20:26] <tlanix> hello
[20:26] <tlanix> i need help with Remmina it won't connect to a windows server through RDP
[20:26] <tlanix> i can connect to the same server in win 10 fine
[20:27] <pavlos> tlanix: there is a remmina plugin for rdp ... install it
[20:27] <tlanix> how
[20:27] <tlanix> iam running  ubuntu 18.04 beta
[20:28] <Ool> tlanix: not sure but there some security options on remmina … advenced tab
[20:28] <tlanix> i tried them all
[20:28] <yuriy> Ool - you are right
[20:28] <tlanix> i even imported the RDP file from my windows 10
[20:28] <tlanix> still nothing
[20:30] <pavlos> tlanix: sudo apt install remmina-plugin-rdp
[20:31] <ycyclist> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KYg7kch2tz/
[20:33] <tlanix> doesnt work
[20:33] <pavlos> ycyclist: sudo
[20:33] <tlanix> remina does work hae the last plugin for rdp
[20:33] <tlanix> if i can't get this to work then i have to go back to windows
[20:34] <ycyclist> Yes, but I am trying to run an unprivileged user.  Do I need to do sudo for that?
[20:35] <tgm4883> !bionic | tlanix
[20:36] <pavlos> ycyclist: read about unpriv usage, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxc.html
[20:36] <ycyclist> Ok.  Thank you.
[20:37] <akik> ycyclist: if you need docker ce it's not in the ubuntu repos
[20:38] <fishcooker> pragmaticenigma: actually the i have problem with unsuccessfully suspending before just like https://askubuntu.com/questions/449871/laptop-fails-to-suspend-or-hibernate-wakes-up-after-2-5-seconds-without-user-in ... so i tried to read the syslog i found http://vpaste.net/Cv6ip  what service that make the kernel disable
[20:41] <ycyclist> No I am not using docker for this at this time.
[20:41] <pragmaticenigma> fishcooker, this is strictly the monitor power saving for me... I haven't seen anything in the logs yet to indicate a wakeup event. Partially because I haven't figure out how to log such events
[20:42] <ycyclist> I see I have three lines in my subuid instead of 1:
[20:42] <ycyclist> xeno:100000:65536 xeno:100000:65537 xeno:100000:100001
[20:43] <pavlos> tlanix: installed remmina and the rdp plugin (16.04), was able to connect to a win7 system. Check your setup
[20:45] <pragmaticenigma> pavlos, tlanix is on ubuntu 18.04... we aren't supporting that just yet and they were asked to go to the #ubuntu+1 room, so if there is a bug it can be reported and fixed before the release
[20:45] <pavlos> pragmaticenigma: agreed
[20:46] <Anthaas> What command can I run to determine what network interface my apache service is listening on?
[20:50] <tlanix> so you think its the 18.04 problem?
[20:51] <xet7> Anthaas: sudo netstat -plant | grep apache
[20:51] <pavlos> tlanix: 18.04 questions to ubuntu+1
[20:52] <pragmaticenigma> tlanix, we don't know... we're focused on helping with the current supported releases. 18.04 is beta and may have bugs, the #ubuntu+1 room is setup to both support 18.04 and ensure bugs are being addressed if they are found
[20:52] <pavlos> Anthaas: you might grep for http which is the protocol
[20:53] <xet7> Anthaas: Linux kernel listens all network interfaces etc, and sends to that network interface that works. that command above only shows what port Apache listens, for example 80 and/or 443.
[20:53] <fishcooker> pragmaticenigma: if you don't midn to inspect .. this is full log about successful suspending and resuming http://vpaste.net/buER8
[20:53] <Anthaas> xet7, thanks - I am having an issue with docker - I can't seem to connect to my container :/
[20:54] <Anthaas> trying to diagnose, but failing.
[20:54] <tgm4883> Anthaas: are you exposing the port?
[20:54] <Anthaas> Turns out I don't actually have ubuntu installed haha :/
[20:54] <Anthaas> tgm4883, Yeah - in my docker-compose.yml
[20:54] <tgm4883> Anthaas: you don't have ubuntu installed?
[20:55] <Anthaas> tgm4883, On my laptop I do, not in my docker container.
[20:55] <Anthaas> I have an instance of php:7.1-apache running
[20:55] <tlanix> is wayland the default for 17.10?
[20:55] <tlanix> i may just install 17.10 to see if i can get stuff working
[20:56] <Anthaas> I can connect to it using docker run, but not with docker swarm init; docker stack deploy -c docker-compose.yml myproject - then opening a browser to localhost
[20:56] <tgm4883> Anthaas: does 'docker port <containername>' list the port forwards?
[20:56] <tlanix> this is ridiculous rdp and screen brightness doesn;t work correctly
[20:56] <pavlos> Anthaas: specify -p 80:80  (port outside port container)
[20:56] <fishcooker> about the suspending and resuming the ubuntu box seems to be inconsistent... sometimes successful but after reboot it will be unsuccessful just like https://askubuntu.com/questions/449871/laptop-fails-to-suspend-or-hibernate-wakes-up-after-2-5-seconds-without-user-in
[20:56] <fishcooker> using the same kernel
[20:57] <Anthaas> pavlos, Im sorry, I dont understand?
[20:57] <Anthaas> tgm4883, should <containername> be an Id that I see in docker ps?
[20:57] <xet7> Anthaas: You can check is container running with "docker ps" and not running containers with "docker ps -a" and go inside container with "docker exec -it CONTAINER-ID bash"
[20:57] <tgm4883> Anthaas: yes, if you didn't name it
[20:58] <Anthaas> tgm4883, There is nothing printed
[20:58] <Anthaas> xet7, I can get inside the container fine.
[20:58] <pavlos> Anthaas: seems you cannot connect to your docker so try sudo docker run -p 80:80 to expose port 80 of the docker to the outside
[20:58] <pavlos> Anthaas: if I misunderstood, disregard
[20:58] <xet7> Anthaas: You can look my well documented docker-compose.yml file for examples at https://github.com/wekan/wekan-mongodb/blob/master/docker-compose.yml
[20:58] <tgm4883> Anthaas: 'docker ps' shows your container running?
[20:58] <Anthaas> pavlos, I am running my containers with docker swarm init; docker stack deploy [.yml file] [name]
[20:59] <Anthaas> tgm4883, yes
[20:59] <Anthaas> 5 replicas.
[20:59] <fishcooker> arvut: do you combine tmux/screen with irrsi?
[20:59] <tgm4883> Anthaas: I'd follow what xet7 said then. Sounds like you aren't exposing the ports correctly
[21:00] <Anthaas> xet7, I am following the "Getting Started" guide on docker's website - I have pretty much copied their yml file.
[21:00] <Anthaas> The only change is my image instead of theirs.
[21:01] <black_13> how do you set up a remmina server or do you?
[21:01] <Anthaas> me?
[21:02] <pavlos> black_13: remmina is a client
[21:02] <xet7> Anthaas: Anyway looking at all explanations at https://github.com/wekan/wekan-mongodb/blob/master/docker-compose.yml helps with things like exposed ports etc. I'll need to go to sauna now, ttyl.
[21:02] <black_13> not a server then
[21:02] <black_13> fooey
[21:03] <Anthaas> I expose ports exactly as xet7 does.
[21:07] <pragmaticenigma> black_13, if you are looking for a remote desktop solution for Ubuntu, VNC is a popular choice. Ubuntu comes with the ability built in. Look for Desktop Sharing in your program launcher
[21:08] <black_13> xrdp seems to work pretty well
[21:08] <black_13> just started
[21:08] <pragmaticenigma> I haven't worked with that one before, but there are many different options out there. even xforwarding through SSH, I use that one a lot
[21:09] <guest-ou812> Has anyone seen a package come through in upgrade named "code" ?  I just had this come up and I'm concerned to know what it is  -->   https://imgur.com/a/MwY78
[21:10] <guest-ou812> Can't find anything on it googling but that's not surprising since "code" would be a very non-standard name
[21:21] <tgm4883> guest-ou812: 'apt-cache policy code'
[21:22] <pragmaticenigma> tgm4883, there is no entry for code
[21:23] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: that wasn't directed at you?
[21:23] <guest-ou812> tgm4883:   Visual Studio Code (of course).   Thanks, I suppose I ought to know better.
[21:24] <tgm4883> guest-ou812: ah yes, should have known. That company is famous for naming things terribly
[21:24] <pragmaticenigma> tgm4883, I know... I thought it would return a response for all packages, I guess it only does those that are actually installed
[21:24] <guest-ou812> What, do they have a 12 yr old working on that thing down there?
[21:25] <guest-ou812> pragmaticenigma:  I thought it was the nsa
[21:25] <guest-ou812> or some such thing
[21:25] <pragmaticenigma> truthfully it would have been wise if they had called it vscode or something to that effect... they just didn't do that... I guess one other option would have been to execute it from the command line with the "--help" argument to see what came up
[21:26] <bli> have a delicate prroblem
[21:26] <tgm4883> guest-ou812: from the same company who created a program for Structured Query Language and named their program "SQL" and created a office suite and called it "Office"
[21:26] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: running unknown commands should never be an option
[21:26] <bli> Im loading a kernel module, but when it loads the network and mounts are not up and running yet, so it fails. How to make it load after mounts are done ?
[21:26] <guest-ou812> tgm4883:  right?
[21:29] <pragmaticenigma> tgm4883, I like to believe that things provided to me through the package repositories are safe... though I don't recale if VS-Code comes out of the Ubuntu Universe or through a 3rd party PPA
[21:29] <pragmaticenigma> saying that, I don't add PPAs
[21:29] <pavlos> bli: so you insert a module but want it conditional to network/mount?
[21:30] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: The problem was he didn't know if it came from the ubuntu repositories or not. VS-Code comes from Microsoft repositories
[21:30] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: just because it was being updated via apt doesn't mean it was Ubuntu sanctioned in any way
[21:32] <pragmaticenigma> This offtopic and should take place elsewhere
[21:32] <bli> pavlos: want the kernel module to be insterted/loaded after all mounts are done
[21:36] <tgm4883> pragmaticenigma: we could go to #ubuntu-discuss if you want
[21:36] <pragmaticenigma> no thank you
[21:37] <tgm4883> Well ok, glad we agree then
[21:38] <pavlos> bli: I dont follow why but ... you can throw the insmod into /etc/rc.local ... just a thought
[21:41] <bli> pavlos: doing that, i assume the modprob.d/module.conf file is still used?
[21:42] <akik> ubuntu dropped rc.local usage in maybe 17.10
[21:45] <zhaohaoyu> hi
[21:45] <zhaohaoyu> where are you guys come from
[21:47] <zhaohaoyu> hahaha
[21:47] <Dbugger> Does anyone know if it is possible to import a big batch of .ovpn files into the network managers?
[21:48] <kenrin> Sure
[21:49] <kenrin> It isn't going to be any easier though since it uses their own config files you'll have to create
[21:50] <Dbugger> i have the files. I have about 1000 .ovpn files
[21:50] <kenrin> Actually the new version maybe can do it.   nmcli connection import type openvpn file filenamehere.ovpn
[21:50] <Dbugger> lets see
[21:50] <kenrin> Try it on one manually,  if it works write a quick script to import them all
[21:51] <abhiigatty> hello world
[21:52] <Dbugger> oh, it worked
[21:52] <kenrin> Nice,  now just do a for loop script.  It should be easy
[21:52] <Dbugger> but wait
[21:53] <Dbugger> is there a way to set the password and user also?
[21:53] <youtah> lol, dang
[21:53] <kenrin> nmcil connection modify vpnnamehere +vpn.data username=username password=password ? ..
[21:53] <youtah> I tried installing SCII on Ubuntu 17.04 with Wine
[21:53] <kenrin> Not sure on correct syntax but something like that
[21:53] <youtah> I got stuck in an infinite loop
[21:54] <kenrin> *nmcli rather
[21:54] <abhiigatty> you guys building a openvpn bot?
[21:54] <youtah> forget openvpn bots... we need better Miracast support
[21:54] <kenrin> When it imports it puts them in the configs located at /etc/NetworkManager so it isn't cut and dry =o
[21:55] <Dbugger> I got this error: "Error: invalid or not allowed setting 'username=dbugger': 'username=dbugger' not among [connection, vpn, ipv4, ipv6, proxy]."
[21:56] <kenrin> The password i think is vpn.secrets "password=password"
[21:58] <kenrin> The username might just be under [vpn] in the config.  So if vpn.data doesn't work try just vpn
[21:58] <Dbugger> I forgot to put the +vpn.data =P
[21:58] <kenrin> Ah ok
[21:58] <Dbugger> But now it tells me: "Error: invalid <setting>.<property> 'password=test'."
[21:59] <Dbugger> and only with "+vpn" without the .data, it tells me: "Error: invalid <setting>.<property> 'vpn'"
[22:00] <kenrin> This might help: http://blog.deadlypenguin.com/blog/2017/04/24/vpn-auto-connect-command-line/
[22:00] <kenrin> Might be easier to just edit the config directly with sed or something after the import
[22:00] <kenrin> Looks like you need the password-flags=0 so it doesn't try to load from keyring too
[22:01] <kenrin> Going to be a pain to do that for 1000+ files though,  goodluck =/
[22:02] <Dbugger> well,at least with 40 would be good
[22:03] <Dbugger> but if its that hard, ill let it go
[22:04] <kenrin> Once you figure out the process you could script it all though,  and put it on github =o
[22:04] <dave0x6d> How can I force downgrade from 16.04.4 to 16.04.3? I am fine if my system breaks, it’s already broken.
[22:04] <Ben64> dave0x6d: what's broken
[22:05] <dave0x6d> Ben64: locally installed packages are newer than the mirror.
[22:06] <dave0x6d> It’s an enterprise network, external mirrors are blocked.
[22:07] <Ben64> sounds more like an issue with your network
[22:09] <dave0x6d> Ben64: I know. But my options are limited here. Reinstalling the entire OS is a pain :/
[22:11] <tgm4883> dave0x6d: you'd need to manually specify package versions for everything that was installed
[22:12] <OerHeks> "locally installed packages" sounds like non-ubuntu sources, or private ppa?
[22:12] <tgm4883> dave0x6d: you can check your apt history log
[22:12] <tgm4883> OerHeks: I think he means his installed packages are newer than his company mirror
[22:14] <dave0x6d> tgm4883: Yeah, the latest 16.04.4 iso. I only mirror 16.04.3 at the moment.
[22:14] <tgm4883> dave0x6d: I'm headed out, but you shouldn't need a reinstall. Specifying the package versions should be fine since that is all that point releases are anyway
[22:17] <luxio> Does this mean Firefox is using 3.1GB of memory? https://i.imgur.com/ZmZ6cUw.png
[22:17] <luxio> because that doesn't sound right
[22:20] <BillyCole> Im having trouble figuring out where my resolv.conf file is getting updated from.  The file itself points to /run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf.
[22:20] <BillyCole> The file says its generated by NetworkManager, and has 3 nameservers listed, but I can't figure out where they're being pulled from
[22:22] <arvut> luxio: you need to understand how the kernel maps ram ;)
[22:22] <BillyCole> Trying to figure out where to go to update those?
[22:22] <adalbert> BillyCole: aren't those nameservers coming from your dhcp server?
[22:22] <arvut> luxio: maybe this will help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory
[22:22] <BillyCole> Oh possibly?
[22:24] <BillyCole> Yeah that makes sense
[22:25] <torben-> hello?
[22:25] <immortal007> Hiya...
[22:25] <torben-> is this a chat channel?
[22:25] <OerHeks> read the topic, torben- , ubuntu support
[22:26] <immortal007> Nah.. Its the ofiicial tech Support Channel
[22:26] <linux__> i am thinking of upgrading to 16.4 or just go with 17.10 what do you guys advice me
[22:26] <torben-> is there a chat channel
[22:26] <immortal007> I prefer 16.04
[22:26] <arvut> torben-: yes
[22:26] <torben-> I hate 17.04
[22:29] <OerHeks> stay on 16.04 LTS, and upgrade in april
[22:29] <torben-> where is the channel
[22:29] <adalbert> linux__: v18 will come out in april
[22:29] <linux__> so i go with 16.4 guys iam a noob
[22:29] <torben-> 'I switched to mint on one of two computers
[22:29] <UserUS> linux__: I'd stay on LTS because long term support is nice plus I've heard mnay upgrades from 16 to 17 going sour
[22:29] <immortal007> Most of the things work fine in 17.04 but some times it gets hard to deal with...
[22:29] <BillyCole> adalbert: One other question then. I have another box that seems to have the nameserver set to localhost, rather than pulling the DNS servers from elsewhere.
 thx i think il stay on 16.4 and upgrade later to 18.4
[22:29] <BillyCole> Though on this box, it says that the file is generated by resolvconf rather than NetworkManager
[22:29] <UserUS> linux__: same
 i am not a patient person
[22:29] <immortal007> it must be due to the network manager
[22:29] <adalbert> BillyCole: that might be an older version not using NetworkManager yet ?
[22:30] <immortal007> I tried installing UBUNTU 16.04 alongside Windows 10 in UEFI mode but the Grub is not installing perfectly.
[22:30] <BillyCole> Its actually 17.10, but I admittedly have been messing with stuff, and I might have installed resolvconf :)
[22:30] <BillyCole> Let me try and remove that and see where it goes :)
[22:30] <immortal007> It leaves me at the Minimal GRUB at the startup..
[22:31] <dave0x6d> tgm4883: I get a lot of errors saying the package cannot be downgraded.
[22:31] <grym> hi all; i'm looking for a GUI application for key remappingg for 16.04.  What's the current go-to tool for this?
[22:31] <OerHeks> BillyCole, i think you want  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base for custom dns
[22:31] <OerHeks> see https://itsfoss.com/resolvconf-permanent-ubuntu/
[22:32] <linux__> i heard that ubuntu 18.4 will use Xorg is that true
[22:32] <OerHeks> xorg as default, yes, but wayland s still available
[22:33] <linux__> y tho do you know y
[22:33] <linux__> i know Xorg is faster but ... idk
[22:34] <OerHeks> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/26/bionic-beaver-18-04-lts-to-use-xorg-by-default
[22:34] <linux__> ty
[22:34] <OerHeks> if you have more questions about 18.04, join #ubuntu+1
[22:35] <immortal007> https://screenshots.debian.net/package/xkeycaps
[22:35] <dave0x6d> tgm4883: heh, looks like a full reinstall might be the only option...
[22:35] <linux__> Recoverability from Shell crashes is less dramatic under Xorg i guess that is the most important
[22:36] <immortal007> XkeyCaps is a nice GUI to map keys...
[22:38] <linux__> there hasn't been a new release of xkeycaps
[22:38] <linux__> tho right ?
[22:38] <immortal007> But its working with 16.04
[22:39] <immortal007> it is included in the repositories
[22:39] <linux__> cool i think XKeyCaps is good but i dont use it
[22:40] <immortal007> The best option is to learn using xmodmap
[22:41] <immortal007> It's pretty messy at the beginning but, once you learn it, you will never need another option
[22:41] <linux__> yes and it works on Xorg so you will be fine with 18.4
[22:44] <immortal007> quit
[22:50] <grym> thanks!
[22:50] <grym> now my emacs is even more annoying
[22:52] <arooni> is control c the only way to stop a long running command i dont want to finish?  sometimes it doesnt seem too responsive over tmux
[22:52] <amitprakash> How do I find out what driver is being used for bluetooth?
[22:52] <grym> arooni: mosh is nice to reduce latency
[22:53] <grym> arooni: if that's your problem
[22:53] <grym> arooni: otherwise, there's always kill -9 <pid>
[22:56] <Guest93> Hello everyone
[23:06] <skinux> What exactly is this talking about? https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/9ea484bf1937cb4f2095019cfdedcd9e
[23:07] <skinux> It says I may have missing firmware, but I don't know how it would be missing.
[23:07] <ikonia> because it's a 3rd party compoenent
[23:07] <ikonia> and you've got a load of manual junk in there - such as /usr/local/lib
[23:49] <OerHeks> "Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-1019-kvm".. what kernel are you on, skinux ?