[01:39] ochosi, flocculant: interested in adding the notification plugin to the panel? [01:39] Hmm? [01:44] Unit193: xfce4-notifyd includes a panel plugin [02:42] flocculant: is this one fixed now? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1047384 [02:42] Launchpad bug 1047384 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu Bionic) "System Encryption Password set before setting keyboard locale" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:47] full release note updated, https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes [02:51] Trying my best to just login to the ubuntu wiki now [03:00] ochosi: that adwaita screen looks great :) [03:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/Beta1 updated with a link to our release note [04:55] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r665 Launchpad automatic translations update. (by Launchpad Translations on behalf of xubuntu-dev) [05:50] Hey everyone, im trying to join some of the translation projects on transifex.com/xfce . I can see English (Australia) in the list that still has strings to translate, although when I try to join the team and choose English (Australia), it isnt in the drop down, only English UK and English Canada [06:09] bluesabre: i personally am a fan of adding that plugin by default. gives quick access to DND mode, which is nice. but then again i'm probably biased since i'm the author ;) [07:07] bluesabre: btw, i know i've created quite a few reviews for you, if you want me to hand them to someone else that's ok too (xfce4-settings, greeter etc) [07:24] bluesabre: re notify plugin - I'm good if people want to add it [07:27] thanks for doing release note stuff [07:34] bluesabre: just to be certain cleared all the cache/config/local parole places - still no play button issue [07:47] bluesabre: shifted issues to top of release note [08:22] bluesabre: well - we got some new names on the tracker \o/ [08:22] I'll follow any bugs they reported and try to triage them and shout if needed [10:53] ochosi, yep, it's all done and now marked as such [10:54] ochosi: sorry about that, got caught up with other things [10:59] hi knome bluesabre [10:59] hi flocculant [11:00] rn looks nice with all that stuffs :) [11:00] thanks [11:01] took longer than expected, but should get anybody up-to-date with the beta [11:01] bluesabre: you want a vid of parole not playing a vid - play button thing [11:01] if I get a mirror perhaps you could have an infinite one :D [11:02] lol [11:02] nah, I should be able to dig into it from the bug report [11:02] ok :) [11:03] bluesabre: did you see discussion in here last night re the slow desktop thing? [11:05] I think so... seemed like we didn't get anywhere [11:09] yea - that's the one ... [11:11] I guess we could release note it as a 'note' [11:11] given that the 2nd login appears to be ok [11:12] Yeah, that seems fair [11:13] ali1234 is usually pretty good about debugging things like that [11:13] right [11:14] 90 seconds to log in the first time? [11:15] ish [11:15] :) [11:15] xubuntu doesn't use systemd for session login yet, right? [11:15] ali1234: which suspiciously iirc is systemd default timeout or something [11:15] right [11:16] you could check "systemd-analyze blame" but it might not tell you anything useful about the user's session [11:16] ali1234: yea it doesn't [11:16] is it reproducible in virtualbox? [11:16] can't remember tbh - I use kvm [11:16] it is [11:17] what's the exact steps to reproduce and when exactly does it happen? [11:17] is it before or after the login screen? [11:19] I believe it only happens on live cd boot and on first login on an installed system. After the first login it's normal. [11:20] ali1234: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YPNCQ2Nd2B/ [11:20] can you try making a new user account and logging in to it? [11:20] wasn't 90s last night [11:20] ali1234: in an installed version? [11:20] can do that now pretty swiftly [11:21] yeah, i mean: do first log in, see 90 second delay, reboot, login, no delay, make new user, log in as new user. do you get the delay? [11:21] oh - not got time to do that right now - off out pretty shortly [11:21] if you do, it's something in the default user profile [11:22] ack [11:22] most likely something missing which gets created after the first login [11:22] I can check that out later [11:23] bluesabre ali1234 - when I've done it I'll ping result [11:41] hmm [11:42] "Failed to send D-Bus message Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply,... etc" [11:46] is there a way to login on console on the livecd? [11:49] hmm i think this is it [11:50] ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on org.bluez [blah blah] Failed to activate service 'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms) [11:50] and it tried 3 times, so 75 seconds, which is what i measured the delay as [11:50] hooray ali1234 :) [11:52] ali1234: awesoome - thanks :) [11:53] (also i have no bluetooth icon, not sure if that's expected as i have no bluetooth hardware in the VM) [11:53] that error is in ~/.xsession-errors btw [11:54] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2HW5944kpG [11:55] ali1234: I see it in xsession-errors.old in the install from last night - missing from xsession-errors there [11:55] basically lines 54 to 60 [11:55] can paste them if they're any use [11:56] and yea - it tried 3 times [11:56] so out of interest, is that blueman PyGIWarning present in your latest logs? [11:57] it could be related if somehow the wrong version is loading [11:57] not locally - but present in errors.old [11:58] not in the xsession-errors there [11:58] do you have bluetooth hardware and/or a bluetooth indicator icon? [11:58] no hardware - can't remember what was on that install panel [11:59] certainly not locally - all removed [12:00] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7Zyv2kpZHz/ [12:01] from last nights install, which had 2 boots only [12:01] off now for a while [12:04] so in the livecd session if i kill blueman-applet and restart it, it times out again [12:07] bug 1533206 seems related [12:07] bug 1533206 in Blueman "Blueman-applet crash on login: DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Failed to activate service 'org.bluez': timed out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533206 [12:07] previously it would crash if you had no bluetooth hardware... seems now it just hangs for 75 seconds :( [12:13] phew... good thing i have bt stuff :P [12:13] joking aside, bbl [14:51] slickymasterWork, would you be around at 16UTCish? [14:53] yep [14:53] but just until 17:45 UTC, knome [14:53] have to pick up little at 18:00 at school [14:53] + one [15:10] Hi, is this bug: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13979 planned to be corrected for 18.04 release? [15:10] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 13979 in General "Some application names are not localized in applications menu" [Normal,Needinfo] [15:14] slickymasterWork, ok, then let's start the sprint then as i have unexpected alone time home at that point and "nothing" (yeah right) to do [16:03] I'm going to need a few more minutes knome, please [16:04] slickymasterWork, sure, np [16:04] (and me too kind of, wife and son are still in the progress of leaving) [16:07] ok, i'm free [16:07] i mean alone [16:07] :P [16:10] ok knome [16:10] shall we start [16:10] ? [16:10] sure [16:11] so, what do *you* have in mind for this cycle? [16:11] installer first? [16:11] whichever order [16:11] you said you had some changes in mind you'd like to propose [16:11] namely graphically wise [16:12] yes [16:12] specifically what? [16:12] i'm just pulling my branch to see where that is at [16:12] well the main thing being "let's make it smaller" [16:12] let me fire up a VM so I can see it also [16:12] https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-1804 [16:12] I'll have to do some RDP for that [16:13] fun [16:13] well, it's work [16:13] do you want to discuss the other things while things are rolling?O [16:13] only Linux here, besides that machine is server [16:13] yep [16:13] regarding the end user docs I don't have, or plan any major revamps [16:14] at this point that would be outrageous anyway :P [16:14] or better, not thinking in altering them just for the sake of it [16:14] visually, i'm ok with them as they are [16:14] same here [16:14] at some point i'll probably update them but that's a longer term plan [16:14] I already add the mate apps changes [16:14] and is related to website [16:14] hm hm [16:15] did you have anything in mind, regarding the -docs [16:15] other than that? [16:15] no, not really [16:16] the poking was just to make sure you handle your responsibilities :P [16:16] or if you can't that i know to make it happen otherwise [16:16] :P [16:16] it's true I've been pretty swallowed up here at work [16:17] it will be worst in the near future [16:17] it's ok, the comment wasn't meant to be as snarky as it came out.. [16:17] but by no means I'm planning on leaving this boat [16:17] so if we're sure all changes in all packages are covered in docs, then they are fine [16:18] i think we also removed all mentions to release [16:18] or if there was something, updated them, so it's good [16:19] all the changes, release wise, are already in the -docs [16:19] I think we're not missing anything new [16:19] apart from an upload [16:20] not sure I understood you now [16:20] what do you mean by an upload? [16:20] package upload [16:20] wait [16:20] the -docs package? [16:20] yes [16:21] I can't upload it [16:21] lack the permission [16:21] i know [16:21] but we need that done [16:21] that's generally bluesabre doing [16:21] yes [16:21] :P [16:21] bluesabre ^^ [16:21] ;) [16:21] bluesabre, assigned to you on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-b-documentation [16:22] right [16:22] bluesabre, i'll look at the source to make sure it's smooth for you [16:22] BB is booting [16:22] bluesabre, eg. changelogs done [16:22] I think the changelog is in condition [16:23] apparently so [16:23] :) [16:23] does have his moments [16:23] hah [16:23] :P [16:23] anyway [16:23] the installer slideshow [16:23] it's relatively bare atm [16:24] VNware is damn slow :P [16:24] :P [16:24] starting to pull your branch [16:25] so i guess the next questions are: [16:25] what content do we want there? [16:25] in what quantity? [16:25] ^ less than now, but how much less [16:25] and how much slides/imagery in it? [16:25] yes [16:25] and what kind of images [16:25] don't remember if you had looked at https://staging.xubuntu.org/ [16:26] I'd hate to loose some of the interactivity we have now [16:26] i have that updated desktop/laptop image on the frontpage and new image ont he community page [16:26] i mean the development page [16:26] one option is to use those images in the slideshow as well [16:26] that's a big +1 from me [16:26] and i could try to have more time and motivation to draw a few more [16:27] wouldn't hurt [16:27] even though I do like the ones you already did [16:27] but first i'd need to know the concept [16:27] of the slideshow, that is [16:27] to know what kind of imagery i might draw [16:28] for the help & support slide, it could work if we added a few "buttons" like the links on the website [16:28] for the links we have there [16:28] there are a few slides we could approach distinctly [16:28] that's one [16:28] it would give the slide the required amount of facelift [16:28] other would be the apps slide [16:28] or could at least' [16:29] yes.. [16:29] do we really have to continue saying what comes with the distro after all these years? [16:29] no [16:29] and we don't [16:29] exactly [16:29] if you looked at my new branch :P [16:29] still branching it [16:29] sigh [16:29] haha [16:30] yeah :( [16:30] so... suggestion: [16:30] add the monitor/laptop artwork for the "ready to go" slide [16:30] how big (slide numbers) is the reduction you have in mind? [16:31] and the community face one on the get involved one [16:31] agree [16:31] this new slideshow has 5 slides [16:31] and it's also smaller in terms of resolution [16:31] so, dropping 3 [16:31] yep [16:31] it's not set it stone if we need more slides [16:31] but with new fast disks... [16:32] well, monitor/artwork one was one of the suggestions I was going to propose [16:32] dropping it [16:32] that is [16:32] the slide? [16:32] yep [16:32] then it would be 4 slides... [16:33] my reasoning is the same as the one for the apps [16:33] we started it circa 16.04 [16:33] the text now is: [16:33] by one it's a given fact [16:33] eh, i can't copy-paste [16:33] * by now [16:34] well it says where you can find the apps and what you can use to customize your system [16:34] knome: thanks for replying to that contacts email [16:34] eg. app menu, package manager, settings manager [16:34] pleia2, np [16:34] slickymasterWork, i think that's sane information, but obviously if you have better ideas... [16:34] yeah, I know [16:34] the wording is stale at least [16:35] also we still need to keep in mind we don't need to market xubuntu any more; the user is already installing at this point [16:35] what I'm saying is do we still need to keep saying/displaying that info? [16:35] that's my point [16:36] what if it's the first time the user boots up a linux OS? [16:36] but that also extends to the apps one [16:36] which is why i'm only proposing dropping one of them [16:37] that user is also unaware of what comes installed with xub [16:37] in this slide we are pointing them to explore their system [16:37] I know it's a bit of a trade off [16:37] (that's a good word, we could use that to drop something else stale) [16:37] ok [16:37] sold [16:37] this exploring includes finding out which apps are there [16:38] but with that we come back to the first slide [16:38] we mention that the user can try out their system if they use the live cd [16:38] the welcome [16:38] err, the try xubuntu option, not live cd [16:38] yes [16:38] so there's some redundancy in those things [16:38] also, do we need to congratulate people for choosing to install xubuntu? [16:38] isn't that a strong cliche? [16:39] it's a redundancy alright [16:39] no we don't [16:39] have you already got the branch? [16:39] glad you also mention that becasue it has been bugger him for a while now [16:39] mot yet [16:39] * not [16:40] 436 kb/s [16:40] siggggh [16:40] ;) [16:40] getting back to the last slide [16:40] yes [16:40] I do want to drop the congrats [16:40] you mean the first slide? [16:41] did we have a pad to work on this? [16:41] think not [16:41] https://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1804-installer-slidshow [16:41] there it is [16:42] but i think it might be outdated [16:44] just a sec while i make some small changes in the branch too [16:45] \o/ finished [16:45] huzzah [16:46] not running [16:47] you need that one extra package [16:47] webkit? [16:47] Unit193!!! [16:47] i don't remember... [16:47] or flocculant, do you happen to recall? [16:48] or krytarik [16:49] i can try lastlogging [16:51] 14:18 Unit193: gir1.2-webkit2-4.0 or gir1.2-webkit-3.0 [16:52] let me install it [16:53] that's not the one as I already have it [16:53] ok, one more sec [16:54] libwebkitgtk-3.0-dev [16:54] maybe move the idea about a "ready to go" system to the first slide? [16:55] but it's hard because it would then be the first sentence [16:55] but that's ok, we can figure it out [16:55] i mean the sentence is also too long because it's one sentence for the whole slide [16:56] you mean it will extend to more than one line? [16:56] that's not the issue [16:57] i don't want a slide with only on period [16:57] *one [16:57] gotcha [16:57] or from a different angle, why try to make those two things fit in one sentence when you can just use two? [16:58] as i said in the pad, maybe move the "pre-installed" thing to the first slide [16:58] and try to make the customization thing more interesting [16:58] I've split it into two sentences [16:58] yes, but now we're back to square one [16:58] ;) [16:59] lol [17:02] ok, another way to approach it [17:03] let's use irc for the chat because the pad becomes hard to read otherwise [17:03] so if we drop the "once...", then it becomes very technical and boring [17:03] not necessarily [17:03] we can definitely change the beginning (or the whole thing if we have better ideas) [17:04] I mean we shouldn't assume that all our users are technicians nor noobs [17:04] nope [17:04] what i meant with technical is really [17:04] I'd start with Use the package... [17:05] "written by technical people" [17:05] written like code documenation [17:05] :P [17:05] this can be a more fun thing [17:05] what about Software Manager instead? [17:05] if that's what the menu says [17:06] i mean the whole package manager thing is meh [17:06] if you are a new user, it doesn't mean anything to you [17:06] nopes, just Software [17:06] if not, then you already know this [17:06] yes, and Software is discernible for the newbies and familiar to old users [17:07] what if we go a more general way [17:07] like "xubuntu is really customizable" [17:07] dunno, the settings manager is a cool feat [17:08] in that all of the stuff is in one place [17:08] but that doesn't really is associated with the application installation question [17:08] no [17:08] a one liner only? [17:08] nope [17:08] but this kind of tries to fix the first slide [17:10] yes [17:10] and it does look stupid now [17:11] there's an idea... [17:11] but now the second one is completely [17:11] lol [17:11] was about to say that [17:11] I don't have any issues with this approach, tbh [17:11] i kind of like the idea of going a bit like: [17:11] first do this, ... [17:11] evening you 2 [17:12] once you've done that, then .... [17:12] even because the installing time is getting smaller [17:12] hey flocculant [17:12] eg. try to split the now first slide into two int he time scale as well [17:12] you get what i'm saying? [17:12] the thing with "once you've..." [17:12] yes [17:12] makes it sound more like "this can take time, when you are ready get back to.." [17:13] now it's like "do this, this and this" [17:13] yep [17:13] flocculant, hello [17:13] flocculant, feel free to join our brainstorming [17:14] https://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1804-installer-slidshow [17:14] flocculant, on the sliDshow ^ [17:14] * flocculant looks [17:14] slickymasterWork, on another note, not sure the community fe... faces artwork fits on the last slide with the new note ;P [17:16] yeah, but sliding aspects of help could remain [17:16] hello bluesabre! [17:16] slickymasterWork, ack [17:16] hi bluesabre [17:16] * bluesabre waves [17:17] :) [17:18] Only stopping by for a bit since I saw the channel was active on my lunch break :) [17:19] slickymasterWork, oh, you mean those sliding things [17:19] slickymasterWork, nooooo [17:19] :P [17:19] don't like them? [17:19] nope [17:19] let's do something else if you want flashy [17:20] ok [17:20] but maybe i can come up with something nice with the installation media comment [17:20] yep, and preferably not static [17:20] I'm not at all convinced that making the slideshow say next to nothing is helpful - but I'm also *shrug* you can do what you want with it and I'll not say more than that [17:21] flocculant, i'll happily include all kinds of stuff that can be helpful there in that time and space :) [17:21] thing is we're always saying way too much, flocculant [17:21] brb [17:21] in the slideshow [17:21] like I said "I'll not say more than that" [17:28] Seems like you guys are doing a fine job. :-) bbl [17:28] * bluesabre peaces out [17:29]