 @Flohack, i am in deed biased toward native apps, but I embrace all the choice there is
 @peternerlich, Expect kernels
 @KrisJacewicz was you able to compile TDesktop in ARM? … what do you think about [this](https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/commit/9dc03c4f0f94485202d3947df981d35fce6fa4bd)
 @urielc, no i was not able, i was trying on ubuntu mate desktop 16.04 on raspberry pi, and then i even emulated the raspi OS on desktop to increqse RAM. It was a strugle and I documented the entire process, in detqil, here:  … http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2017/11/telegram-on-arm-raspi-and-ubuntu-touch-1.html
 Can we expect to have 16.04 builds for Nexus 7 2013? or should I give up on it and install Android and play Chrono Trigger there? 😁
 @Javacookies, there are builds no?
 oh i guess not
 yeah nope
 it was my very first UT device and it's literally collecting dust 😆
 well there's a 15.04 image for it
 better than my grouper, at least
 You have a grouper n7?
 @dohbee, 15.04 ain't exciting anymore, I like trying out new stuffs....I used Silo installer there before
 Does Camera work in any device (xenial)? N4 reboots every time when I start Camera app..
 worked when I tried it on hammerhead last time..
 [Edit] worked when I tried it on hammerhead/n5 last time..
 Ok.
 I try get some logs while crashing
[05:44] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> @mateosalta, the goal is to be able to consult, save them on a remote server, to be able to visualize, the medical history in relation to a subject, to be able to visualize the measurements made by the connected objects on the subject, such as bracelet … for a better follow-up.
[05:44] <ubptgbot> <loic darling> hello ..
 @samitormanen, Works fine on the Pro 5, video too.
 Ok Tomas, thanks.
 how to remove click package from command line?
 xenial n4 camera app seems to be deb instead of click. I installed click version and it runs but causes reboot when taking picture. deb version causes reboot when opening app..
[06:54] <ubptgbot> Andi was added by: Andi
 Syslog for N4 Xenial camera crash (causing reboot). https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PKXwSXcJwz/
 @Andi, Hello Andi. This link has lots if stuff about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Causale: anticipo rate nolleggio Nr. Quotazione: 19379.0 Rif. Configurazione 19514 VW financial services VENERUSO E CERIANI SRL IANNOTTI GIOVANI
[10:10] <ubptgbot> Kuro Syamito was added by: Kuro Syamito
 📚 Bismillah … 👋 Mari Kunjungi, Ikuti dan Join di Aghna Store Barokah yaa.. … 🍒 Siapa tau ada barang atau Jasa yang antum butuhkan ⛱ … ⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬
[10:12] <ubptgbot> <Kuro Syamito> Hi everyone. Total newbie here. I have installed all the necessary drivers, did the bootloader unlock, but the ubport installer fails to detect my nexus 4 at fastboot.
[10:12] <ubptgbot> <Kuro Syamito> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/9uC2isVl.png
[10:13] <ubptgbot> <Kuro Syamito> I am sort of stuck at this point.
 Kuro have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
[11:02] <ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> Kuro : Try another version of the installer. I installed ubuntu touch yesterday using version 0.1.5-beta.... Good luck
[11:02] <ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> On a nexus 5 from which I am writing right now
 https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2018/en/programm/beitrag/289 and nothing at https://www.ubports.com/fr_FR/event?date=month; keep your secret secret
 Not sure if I can spot my device's SD card in baobab/ gnome disk usage utility. Can anyone test and advise?
 I mean I see the mount/ folder, but it says usage is at 38%, but it's a 128GB card and I certainly haven't used over a third of it so far. Will do a du test.
 Yeah, right. 15GB used =11.7% =/= 38%.
 Moreover, why isn't the SD card itself visible to the program? gnome-disk-utility sees the card, so I don't think the confinement of the container prevents the card from being seen? And yes I made sure it was mounted.
 @loic darling, Sounds neat, maybe qr scanning for the bracelet or barcode?
 @TartanSpartan, I don't think the container can access `/dev/mmc*` or whatever it is. It's hard to say why you see what you see, without knowing exactly the full disk configuration and what you are seeing exactly, either
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/9000EsRm.png
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/uxFGUdCU.png
 @wayneoutthere, unfortunately yes
 oh i see someone took care of the spammer already
 It's a bit weird that what appears to be the root dir doesn't show all of it, right? Even if that's likely just the container's root.
 @dohbee, ha!  we are grouper twins.  can we do anything with this thing?  I've tried high and low....
 @wayneoutthere, use it for target practice?
 even if i could UT with Telegram, ha.  it would have 1 piece of value.
 @TartanSpartan, Is it is just me, or do your screenshots seem to always be unreadable? Like the fonts are messed up and some icons look cropped and such
 @wayneoutthere, not likely
 IDK guy, just the default zoom level of Libertine on turbo (which is to say zoomed out)?
 Looked at the pic myself in Telegram though and it looks ok to me if you zoom in.
 @TartanSpartan, Are you scaling down the image? It's 1280x720 it seems
 Umm nope. Hit volume buttons, upload screenshot, profit.
 Nothing more to my methodology than that.
 @TartanSpartan, Open telegram web site and see what it looks like for you there maybe. I think if you look in the app locally, you still see the local file maybe
 then maybe telegram scaled it or something, because i'm pretty sure turbo is higher resolution than 720p
 Kk.
 Would making click packages out of all of the apps I have also back up the data the apps have in them? I'm looking to try some Android ROMs before I settle on UT so I don't want to lose all the app data I have now
 Well yeah, looking at it in WT app it looks worse, sure. What would you suggest to do it better?
 @AmolithSeregion, No. However, you can copy the entire `/data/user-data` folder from recovery and put it back later.
 @TartanSpartan, Well I don't know why it's killing the quality like that, so I don't know. :(
 @UniversalSuperBox, What all does `user-data` encompass?
 Your home folder
 Bug to file perhaps? Not sure if it would look any better blown up with miracast? And not all apps in Libertine allow you to zoom in.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Sorry, I can't get more interesting than that. :P
 Hello can I ask you one thing? First: on nexus 5 and 16.04, it is ok that it can't update to newer ota version? It download very slowly and not applying it. Second: libertine works? I installed firefox chromium, pluma not working. Thank you
 @TartanSpartan, I don't think zoom matters. Even the text/icons in the indicator panel are messed up there
 @UniversalSuperBox, Lol. You said copy it from recovery; do you mean the recovery menu you can access from the bootloader?
 @TartanSpartan, I guess you could post it as a file instead of a picture, perhaps?
 @AmolithSeregion, Yep. Alternatively, it's just your home folder. I guess you could `rsync` or `scp` it straight from the running device.
 or tar it up
 it's better to do from recovery though
 while device is on logs and stuff can still be written while you're copying it out
 For the sake of argument, I can put disk usage on M10 and that might look better, dunno, and could show the problem the same way. Or maybe something about that device's configuration will be different to this.
 since you can't actually log out of the user, given we never really got multi-user stuff built
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/yD73KaOc.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/S58tTID9.png
 Try those on.
 @Gabriele, libertine is known to not work on 15.04 on n5, so i presume it doesn't work on 16.04 either
 much better
 @TartanSpartan, Those all say 0% though. Where did you get the 38% numbers?
 just to butt in,there seems to be really problem with images sent in telegram, they look good in the UT app but blurred in the web app...not sure with Android/iOS app
 @dohbee, How do you do it from recovery? I don't see the option to
 You'll need to log in with `adb shell`
 to make sure it's running
 Then, on your computer just run `adb pull /data/user-data .` to put the whole folder in your current directory
 right, that
 @UniversalSuperBox, Log in with `adb shell` on my computer or phone?
 Computer. Your phone is in recovery. :P
 Oh lol :P
 @Javacookies, It's bad looking at it on android too. So either it's getting scaled on server, or telegram ut app is doing some bad scaling for the upload to save data
 probably telegram ut app is doing it
 ah right, could be
 @UniversalSuperBox, `error: device not found`
 Interesting. Canonical device?
 @UniversalSuperBox, I can `cd` into `/data` and see `user-data` but `pull` isn't doing anything. No, it's UBports' version
 ok so adb is in fact working now?
 @dohbee, Just a minute
 iow you can `adb shell` with the phone in recovery and see what's in `/data/user-data` ?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EoGSgazW.gif
 That is what is happening lol. A GIF is worth 10,000 words 😝
 so adb works yes
 [Edit] That is what is happening lol. A GIF is worth 10,000 words :P
 you are running adb pull on the phone
 that is wrong
 on your computer
 I am running it on my computer
 Right, you need to exit the shell first
 Sorry, I wasn't clear about that
 make a new directory `mkdir -p phablet-backup && cd phablet-backup && adb pull /data/user-data .`
 @UniversalSuperBox, Oh so I execute `adb pull  /data/user-data` without running `adb shell`?
 @dohbee, isn't the parents operator redundant there
 @AmolithSeregion, Yep
 @AmolithSeregion, and INSIDE AN EMPTY DIRECTORY
 DO NOT DO IT INSIDE YOUR HOME DIRECTORY ON YOUR PC
 IT WILL DESTROY YOUR PC'S DATA IF YOU DO
 @dohbee, I made an empty directory called `phablet-backup` like you said lol
 ok good
 Why does it destroy everthing? Also, it's skipping a lot of files. Should it be?
 `-r` might be required
 @UniversalSuperBox, `adb pull -r`?
 well you don't want to overwrite the data in your home directory on your PC with the data from the home directory on your phone
 that would be bad :)
 yes adb pull -r
 @dohbee, I mean why does `pull` overwrite everything in that directory?
 @dohbee, `adb: usage: unrecognized option '-r'`
 I think that behavior has changed in recent versions, but I guess I can't confirm that
 @AmolithSeregion, you are copying from the phone directory to the current directory you're running the adb pull command in
 probably better to make a tarabll on the phone, then just pull the tarball
 oh i guess adb pull doesn't have any options
 it should pull recursively by default
 @dohbee it's confusing to navigate in these dirs but yesterday I did spot 38% next to mount.
 @TartanSpartan, I would say just uninstall baobab :)
 Why is this file "special?" `/data/user-data/phablet/.config/dekko2.dekkoproject/tmp/qcop-server-0`
 I'll trg a competitor to it and see if that one works better.
 *try
 @AmolithSeregion, adb pull /storage/*
 @AmolithSeregion, it's probably a unix socket. but you don't need a backup copy of it either
 https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-analyze-your-disk-usage-pattern-in-linux/
 @wjunior, please don't confuse the matter more :)
 @TartanSpartan, what are you trying to achieve really though?
 are you just trying to get a pretty visualization of your hard disk sectors?
 Pretty much. Clearly I know how to check on the command line, but it's cool to just click an app, read off and skip some typing.
 but other than "cool visualization" what is the actual point of those things? i know my data is a disorganized mess, and i don't need a pretty graphic to tell me so. also lots of files installed by packages that never get opened. nothing much to be done about that really
 "gee I wonder what my SD card usage is? System Settings tells me this for the phone's own storage, but not for the card. Neither does the file manager. Hmmm I know, cool and solution-geared Linux desktop software to the rescue!"
 @Javacookies, Depends if you send them as file or as picture
 @TartanSpartan, So this sounds like a bug in system-settings. What happened to that external disks app though, that used to be in ut?
 That's pretty much it. Maybe I'm more visual than textual, so a bar or a radial line indicating usage tells me more immediately than a percentage. Or maybe even graphical plus a percentage is optimal.
 "External Drives" is right here on my N4
 Oh, sure it's still there, but all it does is format disks and unmounts them.
 oh it doesn't tell you how much storage they have?
 I don't know if it's a bug with settings rather than the designers haven't enhanced it yet to allow tbat.
 i've not had an ubuntu phone with any external storage, so i have no idea what it actually does :)
 No it certainly doesn't. It's a formatter and unmounter, and sometimes feels buggy even for that.
 ok
 Right, but even then you may have decided to rock a flash drive on USB OTG, and that would show you how it works too ofc.
 @TartanSpartan, If you took my questioning to be rude, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way, I was just trying to understand what you're looking for exactly.
 And yeah, people shouldn't have to set up a libertine container and install some overly complicated disk analyzer to find out how much storage is being used (nor should they have to open terminal app and type `df -h` and figure out what is what)
 No sir, I was just being explicit with what I want, and you were asking so indeed had to tell it to you exactly :) no shade taken.
 And a simple display like Android has, in settings, does seem exactly appropriate
 I would strongly suggest you open an issue on github about that :)
 Well they shouldn't *have to* no, but I'm happy to have and take advantage of the option.
 I will then :) (one day I will search for all the times others and I myself have suggesting logging issues and actually do them...)
 *suggested
 Sorry, in turn, if my response sounded snarky, it wasn't meant to either.
 Another enhancement I'd like, even if it has to be done app by app, is "ensure one of the principles of convergence by ensuring that the touchscreen keyboards never obscure key text/visual elements either in portrait or landscape mode" because right now that principle is not yet airtight.
 i don't think that's feasible
 at some point there is going to be something on the screen that is going to be covered by the keyboard, that someone thinks is important
 But if I have to unlock rotation and swivel 90 degrees out of my prefered landscape into portrait then revert back after input/whatever is performed, well, that is irksome. And yes does prioritise/force use of physical keyboards.
 *yes it does
 yes, it is annoying
 Hmm, qdirstat doesn't seem to have a vivid repo, or an ARM build, or whatever. This saddens me :(
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/XPqMGlVv.png
 On other systems this shows the disk usage and disk total, but on UT it's just the disk total. Maybe a setting needs kt be tweaked.
 *to
 i doubt you're going to get a useful reading for your sd card from an app in libertine
 what does `df -h` say if you run it inside libertine?
 But I mean, it doesn't show disk usage for the internal disk either.
 Let's see.
 right, that's the point i was trying to make. the numbers are gong to be mostly meaningless, because you're inside a chroot
 Hi I compiled hybris-boot and system.img file of Halium. What I need to do to convert them into Ubuntu Touch?
 Do I need to test them first?
 @redshaman, I think you should ask in the porting channel. You were invited to it already no?
 IDK.
 @redshaman, I would think so, yes, you should make sure the phone boots with your builds, so you don't waste time trying to get ubuntu booting, thinking the problem is somewhere it is not
 The command doesn't seem to show the card.
 @dohbee, Okay. When installing AOSP based ROMs from recovery we don't need to backup personal data. Do I need to backup personal data before trying halium?
 @TartanSpartan, right, it shows mounts, and they're all bind mounts, inside the container, so it probably only sees those, and the "available" space is probably not right for them, depending on where they're originally from
 @redshaman, you always need to back up personal data if you care to keep it
 @dohbee, thanks
 and ubuntu is not a ROM, so if you want ubuntu working at some point, you're going to lose all the data on your device
 so yes you should always back it up
 (plus you have no idea what will actually happen, and a bug could erase all your data)
 Data that is not copy in three places at least is not important … — Confucius
 ugh
 the stereotyping of confucius is so racist, and just wrong :-/
 ^how so?
 You can change it for Miley Cirus if you want 😆 … (I don't see the problem, honestly)
 because it's white people trying to make themselves sound chinese, and with faux intellect appliec
 applied
 lol
 miley is a white girl, so then it wouldn't be a racist stereotyping of chinese people and philosophies
 that's how it's different
 So you're assuming what color I am...
 unless it was miley saying it in a faux chinese accent like "confucius say blah blah"
 then it would obviously be racist
 @advocatux, did i say you were white? you can perform an act that was created by white people, and it's still a racist act, even if you're skin is brown
 i was simply pointing out that the faux confucius quotes are racist, because they are.
 Did I say you said I'm white? 😆 Anyway I think this is a cultural missunderstanding because that short fuse for everything remotely related to what someone think is related to race doesn't happen in most of the world. … No offense intended.
 And end of the OT for me
 @advocatux, Your previous comment made that implication yes. It's not a cultural misunderstanding.
 On-topic's in offtopic, off-topic's in on-topic
 it's all OT no matter where you go
[16:12] <ubptgbot> Emmanuel Corno was added by: Emmanuel Corno
[16:12] <ubptgbot> <Emmanuel Corno> Hi everyone
 https://merge-it.net/
[16:12] <ubptgbot> <Emmanuel Corno> I'm looking for some help, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy S2... Is it the right place?
 @RoccoOPO, Any context on this?
 @Emmanuel Corno, Supported devices are in the group description. The Galaxy S2 is not in the supported devices list, so you won't be able to install it.
[16:13] <ubptgbot> <Emmanuel Corno> Ok! Thank you for your answer 😊 Have a nice day!
 @UniversalSuperBox, in italian, spam is called prosciutto?
 @Emmanuel Corno, Hi Emmanuel, take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @dohbee, Translated. It's an event that brings together digital culture / freedom organizations in Italy.
 @RoccoOPO might have accidentally posted the link
 I think so. It's an event supported by ubuntu-it
 @UniversalSuperBox, Open source community  meets in Turin (Italy)... They speaks also on Ubuntu touch... March 24 2018
 @UniversalSuperBox, No no
 Interesting... In any case!!!
 @RoccoOPO is a good idea to post some additional info, not just a link
 Besides the site is only in Italian in this case
 When are they going to talk about Ubuntu Touch? I can't see that in the program
 @AmolithSeregion, Thats a nice terminal
[16:33] <IvanSemkin[m]> Permanently moved to matrix
 @advocatux, Ubuntu Phone, la rinascita (the rebirth) at 11.30am in Turin at Politecnico of Turin
 March 24, 2018
 @RoccoOPO, Oh, thank you!
 @dohbee, yeah... unless i can put UT on it.. it's kind of dead to me.  It's a 'youtube viewer'
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/703Hhaum.png
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Register your nick with IRC
 And authorize to Freenode services using Saslserv
 @UniversalSuperBox, I dont know what this is
 https://gist.github.com/fstab/ce805d3001600ac147b79d413668770d
 @PhoenixLandPirate, This was my most recent post on reddit.com/r/unixporn (my favourite subreddit) … https://imgur.com/a/cXifc
 @UniversalSuperBox, Do I have to register on irc first?
 Register a nick
 Yep
 Oh I was trying to register a Nick via @appservice-irc:matrix.org invited you
 @AmolithSeregion nice desktop
 @wayneoutthere we need more users!
 Fwd from Telegram News: We have increased the member limit for supergroups to 100,000. … If you're looking to get more users in your community, the best strategy is to open a channel on Telegram. Channels are the perfect tool for broadcasting your messages to the masses because they can have an unlimited number of subscribers.
[16:55] <ubptgbot>  … With channels, you can broadcast important announcements to millions of people or post answers to the most popular questions from members of your supergroups. … See this post for more info on channels: … https://telegram.org/tour/channels
 @Flohack, I dont understand the appeal of channels, theyre less attractive versions of rss
 @PhoenixLandPirate, I agree
 I dont know why they push them so hard
 I know why, they got into issues of too many people chatting haha
 Telegram must burn a lot of money these days
 True
 Channels are like the News feed that we have
 Not groups, which this is
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah but I dont use rss to chat with people so why would I use telegram to rss
[17:02] <IvanSemkin[m]> Pavel Durov made it to the Forbes list, Telegram has enough money, trust me
[17:03] <IvanSemkin[m]> that's what scares me. how do they earn money? i don't really trust telegram anymore
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Why are you using matrix to IRC to telegram?
 @IvanSemkin[m], Same way all the other oligarchs do?
 @dohbee, Cos aparently you cant have both irc and matrix bridged to telegram.
 You can, but the bridge isn't very good at that
 And it also creates hundreds to thousands of idler connections to IRC, which freenode staff hate.
 Good ol' tgBot is much better at that.
[17:33] <IvanSemkin[m]> i am also using a matrix to irc to telegram bridge btw @dohbee
[17:34] <IvanSemkin[m]> you don't have to type my entire nickname btw, just "vanyasem" or "IvanSemkin" (w/o the [m] part) is enough to ping me
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/dNsORXc0.png
 @IvanSemkin[m], is matrix<->telegram bridge broken?
 It's not in this room
 And they're also single-threaded in many cases, so times of high load mean delayed (to the order of 1-2 minutes) messages
 not broken, or not bridged?
 gotta love developers who are afraid of threading
[18:12] <IvanSemkin[m]> @dohbee not broken and not bridget
[18:12] <IvanSemkin[m]> bridged
[18:12] <IvanSemkin[m]> you can't have both at the same time
[18:12] <IvanSemkin[m]> it's either Telegram <-> Matrix <-> IRC or Telegram <-> IRC <-> Matrix
 well not bridged because it's broken, it seems
[18:12] <IvanSemkin[m]> the last option (the current one) proved to be more stable
[18:12] <IvanSemkin[m]> that's why it's used
 i do not understand that "you can't have both at the same time"
[18:13] <IvanSemkin[m]> telegram bots can't read other bots message
[18:13] <IvanSemkin[m]> you cant have an IRC <-> Telegram <-> Matrix bridge
[18:14] <IvanSemkin[m]> it's either Telegram <-> Matrix <-> IRC or Telegram <-> IRC <-> Matrix
 i don't understand that
[18:14] <IvanSemkin[m]> the last option (the current one) proved to be more stable
[18:14] <IvanSemkin[m]> which part
 repeating "you can't have" "it's either or" doesn't explain it, either
 @dohbee, interesting i wonder if its possible to make convergence work with usb screens tho would be nice
[18:16] <IvanSemkin[m]> it's as simple as it gets
[18:16] <IvanSemkin[m]>  > telegram bots can't read other bots message
[18:16] <IvanSemkin[m]> telegram bots API doesn't allow bots to read other bots messages
[18:16] <IvanSemkin[m]> i am not a fucking telegram devloper, i don't know why
[18:16] <IvanSemkin[m]> telegram bots API is designed that way, how can i explain that?
[18:16] <IvanSemkin[m]> should i contact telegram and ask that question for you? i won't do that for sure
 but honestly, if IRC isn't the main center piece for ubports, we should probably just cut it out
 because people in telegram/matrix constantly post without concern of people reading from irc
 @IvanSemkin[m], you mean bot a can't read messages in group from bot b?
[18:18] <IvanSemkin[m]> i agree with you on that one
[18:18] <IvanSemkin[m]> yep, exactly
 Right
 it's not like they have to talk directly to each other
 i can understand bots not being able to talk to other bots in PM
[18:18] <IvanSemkin[m]> and as matrix bridge and irc bridge are 2 separate bots, they just wouldn't relay each other's messages
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/mTLxpOjS.png
 but that is just stupid.
 Still doesn't want to work
[18:18] <IvanSemkin[m]>  > <dohbee> it's not like they have to talk directly to each other
[18:18] <IvanSemkin[m]> still, it's the way it's designed and implemented
 bloody oligarchs ruin everything
 Mhmm. Possibly to avoid botspam.
[18:19] <IvanSemkin[m]>  > <dohbee> but that is just stupid.
[18:19] <IvanSemkin[m]> leave telegram to protest or get over it *shrugs*
 yeah possibly
 But you're still using telegram you're just using telegram through a different app
 now only if there was a telegram discord bridge 😏
 @Fuseteam, no, i don't think USB driven displays will work, because that would be DisplayLink, which is proprietary
 ugh discord
 there's a matrix, discord bridge which ID like to use
 @dohbee, :(
 i most active on discord what can i say lol
[18:21] <IvanSemkin[m]> sad
 Discord is great, non stop shitposting
[18:21] <IvanSemkin[m]> it's proprietary and evil
[18:21] <IvanSemkin[m]> even worse that telegram
[18:21] <IvanSemkin[m]> shame on you
 yeah, it's full of gamers
 hence the "ugh discord"
 so much so if you guys need staff for discord i can help out haha
 or i should say "gamers"
 <airquotes>gamers</airquotes>
 @dohbee, Nah just 4Chan users
 and i'm not a gamer haha
 @PhoenixLandPirate, that's what i said
 nor a 4 chan user :smirk:
 But that's why its good
 the easy part is the channels lol
 @ubports_ot is on matrix too guys
 yeah, it's easy to tell who the nazis are
 it's everyone
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ki2jQkR3.mp4
 @dohbee, Wtf are you on about
 channel and permission management is easy haha
 Til Nazis through nude women into liquid cheese
 through?
 oh my
 @dohbee, 😭
 @Fuseteam, i'm not clear on what you mean by "convergence" there either (it's a very vague term, and most everyone uses it to mean different things, even just talking about ubuntu on phones)
 @PhoenixLandPirate, You meant threw? 😆
[18:27] <ubptgbot> c4trololo was added by: c4trololo
 i mainly mean turning a phone into a desktop haha
 @Flohack, Yes
 @Fuseteam, it would have to be a really big and sturdy phone to hold all the stuff i have sitting on top of my desk
 hello everybody
 imagine a usb hub connected via usb otg
 @Flohack, Hard to know. Maybe he was talking about some Nazi phase change research
 im sorry if i'm wrong but is this the UBPorts first responder team?
 @c4trololo, I responded first 😆
 and everything else connected via that usb hub to the phone
 @Fuseteam, ok, you can do that today
 including the monitor :p
 you just can't use it to move slimport/mhl to a hub or connect a display with displaylink
 @Fuseteam, get a phone that is compatible with a slimport dock, which has slimport, and a usb hub, so you can connect monitor and usb devices
 but that is not the same as a usb otg cable and a usb hub :)
 recently im having difficulties with installing UT on my Nexus 5. the UBports Installer is not recognizing my device even tho im already in bootloader mode. im using a windows 10 laptop
 only most phone's don't have slimport or MHL haha
 @Fuseteam, and they don't have displaylink either
 yeah i realized that the moment you mentioned displaylink
 Seems the only Linux to really get "good" DisplayLink is Chrome OS. Pretty sure it's a proprietary driver that they build in.
 hmm, is the samsung dex station slimport i wonder
 Nope, it's just DisplayPort over USB type-C
 @c4trololo, do you have fastboot installed? tho it might be easier for you to visit the welcome channel
 tho i keep forgetting the link to it....
 displayport hmmm
 ooh
 https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/how-to/wip-samsung-s8-dex-dex-station-t3605933
 looks like the dex might just be slimport dock
 haha it is
 Any possible ways to get files from closed google cloud instance?
 $80-100 though :-/
 They closed it due to expired card
 damn
 Actually I have more than 200$ in my free tier
 wait is displaylink slimport and mhl a driver?
 Tried to add virtual visa card but they don't accept it
 slimport and mhl are competing technologies
 displaylink is a weird thing that's sort of similar
 @Fuseteam, thanks for the help, is the welcome channel are here on telegram? and yes i do have fastboot installed
 yes it is uh there should be a link in here somewhere
 @WelcomePlus
 there ya go haha
 well i've heard they are technologies but what enables them
 mhl and slimport are built into the phone
 so a piece of hardware
 displaylink i guess is on the monitor side, but i don't know really. i've never actually encountered such a monitor in the real world
 only people asking about drivers on ask ubuntu, which led me to find out that newer drivers are proprietary only
 you've never encountered a usb monitor hmm
 i've actually encountered one and only one
 hence why i asked haha
 @dohbee, thanks a lot sir!
 Im still trying to join irc :(
[19:30] <PhoenixLandPira1> Hats
 I got this far
 That's pretty close
 I cant get any closer :(
 Yeah, your full nickname is too long so you can't use it as an IRC nick.
 So I cant connect my matrix to that irc account?
 Yes, you need to register a valid nick on IRC
 Which you now have, PhoenixLandPira1
 Now you need to configure the Matrix bridge to use that nick for you
 Ive been trying to link my matrix to that,
 @dohbee, <3
 actually an IRC discord bridge sounds awesome too 😍
 go for it
 i tried using an irc bridge for a slack some years ago. it was one of the worst experiences ever
 @dohbee, There is a linux displaylink driver. Asus have a very nice plug-in monitor
 @Stereofont, yes. it is proprietary
 I don't know if that would go back to our Android kernels, though... Is it supported only on 16.04 and 14.04?
 the open source driver in the kernel is very old
 Also, I'd expect Mir to give issues
 the latest driver is proprietary and i don't think it's for arm
 That'd be a show-stopper
 we probably couldn't ship it even if it was
 there seems to be a trend towards thunderbolt for display though
 which is also annoying
 I think you're thinking of DisplayPort over USB-C
 Which is part of the standard
 nope
 thunderbolt is amazing for audio but not for display..
 i'm talking about Thunderbolt branded
 @malditobastardo, eh? 40 Gbps seems plenty good for display
 17.10 and 16.04 driver update released on Thursday by Displaylink
 yeah it is but I hate just having a few thunderbolt ports to connect devices and one of them being a display 😹
 expensive to buy a hub
 @Stereofont, Got a link?
 @UniversalSuperBox, http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27MD5KA-B-5k-uhd-led-monitor
 http://www.displaylink.com/downloads/ubuntu
 I/O says "Thunderbolt 3 x1"
 i'm going to be pretty sad if the new lg ultrawide also only does thunderbolt
 the picture on the web site does have an osx screenshot on the display too :(
 😹😹
 Thunderbolt works on any linux distro?
[20:30] <ubptgbot> leoaslan was added by: leoaslan
 Hello everybody
 @leoaslan, Hello Hussain. This link tells you more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @malditobastardo, I don't know if displays work, I guess they might. But Thunderbolt is only on some Intel systems. My Ryzen build won't have it
 and the GPUs don't have thunderbolt either, of course
 anyway this is getting off topic
 i got three devices xperia x, lenovo A1000 and moto c, can anyone assit me in installing ubuntu on anyone of these
 @leoaslan, I don't remember if any of them are undergoing Halium 'treatment'
 @Stereofont, Any chance for atleast xperia x
 i m desprate to see ubuntu on my phone
 Definitely not about installing. The question is porting
 Moto G2 Titan has a port
 i tried to install ubuntu on A1000 today but endup with nothing, anyways i m not a developer but i will be joining patreon as a contribution from my end
 you cannot install ubuntu on a phone it has not been ported to
 Okay :(
 i m planning to buy nexus 5
 Sony Xperia L is getting some love
 @leoaslan, If you are not able to port, that or the G2 would be good
 okay then i will get a G2
 https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/development/experimental-ubuntu-touch-titan-t3608846
 @Stereofont, Oops moto g2 is hard to find
 i can get a nexus 5 easily
 go for the N5
[21:05] <ubptgbot> Marc Unger was added by: Marc Unger
 nexus 5 would probably be better supported, too
 1400 members soon. How could be pass 1337
 [Edit] 1400 members soon. How could we pass 1337
 @Flohack, ich bin uber-1337 ? :P
 @dohbee, Get a keyboard with Umlauts plz äöü 😆
 i'm sure i could enable international keyboard, and then hate myself
 hahaha... be my guest, I have now Spanish keyboards, and last year we had french. Type passwords without locking out yourself
 i would be using us-intl, but it screws up the ; : and ' " keys
 Fun fact, upgraded from 15.04 to 16.04 and my calendar events were deleted :s haha
 Fortunately I restored the events
 @TartanSpartan https://github.com/ubports/system-settings/issues/6
 @Danjreynolds, How did you "upgrade" exactly?
 Is the Ubuntu port available for HTC 10?
 @Zack, Not available yet but work is being done. It may be soon ™
 Awesome! 😁😁
 I don't mean next week but first half of this year is possible?
 Well that is quite an accomplishment! Since it is the community doing all of this
 It is really cool
 I can't wait on the new version of Ubuntu 16 to be stable
 And anbox to run on Ubuntu devices
 A lot of work is also being done by Halium porters, not just for UT but for other phone operating systems too
 @Zack, That is the top priority. If everything else has to go a little slower to make that happen, so be it
 Halium Porters? For what kind of phone OS?
 @Stereofont, Is it also expected to be ready in the first half year?
 Halium underlies Ubuntu Touch on 16.04. It provides a compatibility layer. It can also provide compatibility for e.g. Purism OS
 @Zack, Bugs are falling like flies. That makes new bugs visible. The overall movement is forward though. It is all new so nothing is guaranteed. Very encouraging progress though
 @Stereofont, That is all that matters, if it is going forward, it is going the right direction haha we have to be patient
 @Zack, +1 The unexpected has to be expected
 😉
[23:33] <ubptgbot> sayedibnmasud was added by: sayedibnmasud
[23:38] <vanyasem> welcome