[01:25] @Flohack, i am in deed biased toward native apps, but I embrace all the choice there is [02:30] @peternerlich, Expect kernels [03:17] @KrisJacewicz was you able to compile TDesktop in ARM? … what do you think about [this](https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/commit/9dc03c4f0f94485202d3947df981d35fce6fa4bd) [03:21] @urielc, no i was not able, i was trying on ubuntu mate desktop 16.04 on raspberry pi, and then i even emulated the raspi OS on desktop to increqse RAM. It was a strugle and I documented the entire process, in detqil, here: … http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2017/11/telegram-on-arm-raspi-and-ubuntu-touch-1.html [03:39] Can we expect to have 16.04 builds for Nexus 7 2013? or should I give up on it and install Android and play Chrono Trigger there? 😁 [03:40] @Javacookies, there are builds no? [03:40] oh i guess not [03:44] yeah nope [03:45] it was my very first UT device and it's literally collecting dust 😆 [03:52] well there's a 15.04 image for it [03:52] better than my grouper, at least [04:13] You have a grouper n7? [04:28] @dohbee, 15.04 ain't exciting anymore, I like trying out new stuffs....I used Silo installer there before [04:29] Does Camera work in any device (xenial)? N4 reboots every time when I start Camera app.. [04:29] worked when I tried it on hammerhead last time.. [04:29] [Edit] worked when I tried it on hammerhead/n5 last time.. [04:33] Ok. [04:37] I try get some logs while crashing [05:44] @mateosalta, the goal is to be able to consult, save them on a remote server, to be able to visualize, the medical history in relation to a subject, to be able to visualize the measurements made by the connected objects on the subject, such as bracelet … for a better follow-up. [05:44] hello .. [05:54] @samitormanen, Works fine on the Pro 5, video too. [05:56] Ok Tomas, thanks. [06:10] how to remove click package from command line? [06:27] xenial n4 camera app seems to be deb instead of click. I installed click version and it runs but causes reboot when taking picture. deb version causes reboot when opening app.. [06:54] Andi was added by: Andi [07:06] Syslog for N4 Xenial camera crash (causing reboot). https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PKXwSXcJwz/ [07:47] @Andi, Hello Andi. This link has lots if stuff about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome [08:30] Causale: anticipo rate nolleggio Nr. Quotazione: 19379.0 Rif. Configurazione 19514 VW financial services VENERUSO E CERIANI SRL IANNOTTI GIOVANI [10:10] Kuro Syamito was added by: Kuro Syamito [10:11] 📚 Bismillah … 👋 Mari Kunjungi, Ikuti dan Join di Aghna Store Barokah yaa.. … 🍒 Siapa tau ada barang atau Jasa yang antum butuhkan ⛱ … ⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬ [10:12] Hi everyone. Total newbie here. I have installed all the necessary drivers, did the bootloader unlock, but the ubport installer fails to detect my nexus 4 at fastboot. [10:12] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/9uC2isVl.png [10:13] I am sort of stuck at this point. [10:33] Kuro have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome [11:02] Kuro : Try another version of the installer. I installed ubuntu touch yesterday using version 0.1.5-beta.... Good luck [11:02] On a nexus 5 from which I am writing right now [11:22] https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2018/en/programm/beitrag/289 and nothing at https://www.ubports.com/fr_FR/event?date=month; keep your secret secret [11:46] Not sure if I can spot my device's SD card in baobab/ gnome disk usage utility. Can anyone test and advise? [11:46] I mean I see the mount/ folder, but it says usage is at 38%, but it's a 128GB card and I certainly haven't used over a third of it so far. Will do a du test. [11:49] Yeah, right. 15GB used =11.7% =/= 38%. [11:50] Moreover, why isn't the SD card itself visible to the program? gnome-disk-utility sees the card, so I don't think the confinement of the container prevents the card from being seen? And yes I made sure it was mounted. [12:04] @loic darling, Sounds neat, maybe qr scanning for the bracelet or barcode? [13:48] @TartanSpartan, I don't think the container can access `/dev/mmc*` or whatever it is. It's hard to say why you see what you see, without knowing exactly the full disk configuration and what you are seeing exactly, either [14:13] (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/9000EsRm.png [14:14] (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/uxFGUdCU.png [14:14] @wayneoutthere, unfortunately yes [14:14] oh i see someone took care of the spammer already [14:14] It's a bit weird that what appears to be the root dir doesn't show all of it, right? Even if that's likely just the container's root. [14:15] @dohbee, ha! we are grouper twins. can we do anything with this thing? I've tried high and low.... [14:15] @wayneoutthere, use it for target practice? [14:16] even if i could UT with Telegram, ha. it would have 1 piece of value. [14:16] @TartanSpartan, Is it is just me, or do your screenshots seem to always be unreadable? Like the fonts are messed up and some icons look cropped and such [14:16] @wayneoutthere, not likely [14:17] IDK guy, just the default zoom level of Libertine on turbo (which is to say zoomed out)? [14:18] Looked at the pic myself in Telegram though and it looks ok to me if you zoom in. [14:18] @TartanSpartan, Are you scaling down the image? It's 1280x720 it seems [14:19] Umm nope. Hit volume buttons, upload screenshot, profit. [14:19] Nothing more to my methodology than that. [14:19] @TartanSpartan, Open telegram web site and see what it looks like for you there maybe. I think if you look in the app locally, you still see the local file maybe [14:20] then maybe telegram scaled it or something, because i'm pretty sure turbo is higher resolution than 720p [14:20] Kk. [14:22] Would making click packages out of all of the apps I have also back up the data the apps have in them? I'm looking to try some Android ROMs before I settle on UT so I don't want to lose all the app data I have now [14:22] Well yeah, looking at it in WT app it looks worse, sure. What would you suggest to do it better? [14:23] @AmolithSeregion, No. However, you can copy the entire `/data/user-data` folder from recovery and put it back later. [14:23] @TartanSpartan, Well I don't know why it's killing the quality like that, so I don't know. :( [14:24] @UniversalSuperBox, What all does `user-data` encompass? [14:24] Your home folder [14:24] Bug to file perhaps? Not sure if it would look any better blown up with miracast? And not all apps in Libertine allow you to zoom in. [14:24] @UniversalSuperBox, Sorry, I can't get more interesting than that. :P [14:25] Hello can I ask you one thing? First: on nexus 5 and 16.04, it is ok that it can't update to newer ota version? It download very slowly and not applying it. Second: libertine works? I installed firefox chromium, pluma not working. Thank you [14:25] @TartanSpartan, I don't think zoom matters. Even the text/icons in the indicator panel are messed up there [14:26] @UniversalSuperBox, Lol. You said copy it from recovery; do you mean the recovery menu you can access from the bootloader? [14:26] @TartanSpartan, I guess you could post it as a file instead of a picture, perhaps? [14:26] @AmolithSeregion, Yep. Alternatively, it's just your home folder. I guess you could `rsync` or `scp` it straight from the running device. [14:27] or tar it up [14:27] it's better to do from recovery though [14:27] while device is on logs and stuff can still be written while you're copying it out [14:28] For the sake of argument, I can put disk usage on M10 and that might look better, dunno, and could show the problem the same way. Or maybe something about that device's configuration will be different to this. [14:28] since you can't actually log out of the user, given we never really got multi-user stuff built [14:29] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/yD73KaOc.png [14:29] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/S58tTID9.png [14:29] Try those on. [14:29] @Gabriele, libertine is known to not work on 15.04 on n5, so i presume it doesn't work on 16.04 either [14:30] much better [14:30] @TartanSpartan, Those all say 0% though. Where did you get the 38% numbers? [14:32] just to butt in,there seems to be really problem with images sent in telegram, they look good in the UT app but blurred in the web app...not sure with Android/iOS app [14:34] @dohbee, How do you do it from recovery? I don't see the option to [14:35] You'll need to log in with `adb shell` [14:35] to make sure it's running [14:35] Then, on your computer just run `adb pull /data/user-data .` to put the whole folder in your current directory [14:36] right, that [14:36] @UniversalSuperBox, Log in with `adb shell` on my computer or phone? [14:36] Computer. Your phone is in recovery. :P [14:36] Oh lol :P [14:38] @Javacookies, It's bad looking at it on android too. So either it's getting scaled on server, or telegram ut app is doing some bad scaling for the upload to save data [14:39] probably telegram ut app is doing it [14:40] ah right, could be [14:42] @UniversalSuperBox, `error: device not found` [14:43] Interesting. Canonical device? [14:43] @UniversalSuperBox, I can `cd` into `/data` and see `user-data` but `pull` isn't doing anything. No, it's UBports' version [14:44] ok so adb is in fact working now? [14:45] @dohbee, Just a minute [14:45] iow you can `adb shell` with the phone in recovery and see what's in `/data/user-data` ? [14:46] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EoGSgazW.gif [14:48] That is what is happening lol. A GIF is worth 10,000 words 😝 [14:48] so adb works yes [14:48] [Edit] That is what is happening lol. A GIF is worth 10,000 words :P [14:48] you are running adb pull on the phone [14:48] that is wrong [14:48] on your computer [14:49] I am running it on my computer [14:49] Right, you need to exit the shell first [14:49] Sorry, I wasn't clear about that [14:49] make a new directory `mkdir -p phablet-backup && cd phablet-backup && adb pull /data/user-data .` [14:50] @UniversalSuperBox, Oh so I execute `adb pull /data/user-data` without running `adb shell`? [14:50] @dohbee, isn't the parents operator redundant there [14:51] @AmolithSeregion, Yep [14:51] @AmolithSeregion, and INSIDE AN EMPTY DIRECTORY [14:51] DO NOT DO IT INSIDE YOUR HOME DIRECTORY ON YOUR PC [14:51] IT WILL DESTROY YOUR PC'S DATA IF YOU DO [14:51] @dohbee, I made an empty directory called `phablet-backup` like you said lol [14:52] ok good [14:52] Why does it destroy everthing? Also, it's skipping a lot of files. Should it be? [14:52] `-r` might be required [14:53] @UniversalSuperBox, `adb pull -r`? [14:53] well you don't want to overwrite the data in your home directory on your PC with the data from the home directory on your phone [14:53] that would be bad :) [14:53] yes adb pull -r [14:54] @dohbee, I mean why does `pull` overwrite everything in that directory? [14:54] @dohbee, `adb: usage: unrecognized option '-r'` [14:54] I think that behavior has changed in recent versions, but I guess I can't confirm that [14:54] @AmolithSeregion, you are copying from the phone directory to the current directory you're running the adb pull command in [14:55] probably better to make a tarabll on the phone, then just pull the tarball [14:56] oh i guess adb pull doesn't have any options [14:56] it should pull recursively by default [15:01] @dohbee it's confusing to navigate in these dirs but yesterday I did spot 38% next to mount. [15:02] @TartanSpartan, I would say just uninstall baobab :) [15:02] Why is this file "special?" `/data/user-data/phablet/.config/dekko2.dekkoproject/tmp/qcop-server-0` [15:02] I'll trg a competitor to it and see if that one works better. [15:02] *try [15:02] @AmolithSeregion, adb pull /storage/* [15:03] @AmolithSeregion, it's probably a unix socket. but you don't need a backup copy of it either [15:03] https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-analyze-your-disk-usage-pattern-in-linux/ [15:03] @wjunior, please don't confuse the matter more :) [15:03] @TartanSpartan, what are you trying to achieve really though? [15:05] are you just trying to get a pretty visualization of your hard disk sectors? [15:06] Pretty much. Clearly I know how to check on the command line, but it's cool to just click an app, read off and skip some typing. [15:08] but other than "cool visualization" what is the actual point of those things? i know my data is a disorganized mess, and i don't need a pretty graphic to tell me so. also lots of files installed by packages that never get opened. nothing much to be done about that really [15:10] "gee I wonder what my SD card usage is? System Settings tells me this for the phone's own storage, but not for the card. Neither does the file manager. Hmmm I know, cool and solution-geared Linux desktop software to the rescue!" [15:10] @Javacookies, Depends if you send them as file or as picture [15:12] @TartanSpartan, So this sounds like a bug in system-settings. What happened to that external disks app though, that used to be in ut? [15:12] That's pretty much it. Maybe I'm more visual than textual, so a bar or a radial line indicating usage tells me more immediately than a percentage. Or maybe even graphical plus a percentage is optimal. [15:12] "External Drives" is right here on my N4 [15:12] Oh, sure it's still there, but all it does is format disks and unmounts them. [15:13] oh it doesn't tell you how much storage they have? [15:13] I don't know if it's a bug with settings rather than the designers haven't enhanced it yet to allow tbat. [15:13] i've not had an ubuntu phone with any external storage, so i have no idea what it actually does :) [15:14] No it certainly doesn't. It's a formatter and unmounter, and sometimes feels buggy even for that. [15:14] ok [15:15] Right, but even then you may have decided to rock a flash drive on USB OTG, and that would show you how it works too ofc. [15:16] @TartanSpartan, If you took my questioning to be rude, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way, I was just trying to understand what you're looking for exactly. [15:17] And yeah, people shouldn't have to set up a libertine container and install some overly complicated disk analyzer to find out how much storage is being used (nor should they have to open terminal app and type `df -h` and figure out what is what) [15:17] No sir, I was just being explicit with what I want, and you were asking so indeed had to tell it to you exactly :) no shade taken. [15:17] And a simple display like Android has, in settings, does seem exactly appropriate [15:17] I would strongly suggest you open an issue on github about that :) [15:17] Well they shouldn't *have to* no, but I'm happy to have and take advantage of the option. [15:19] I will then :) (one day I will search for all the times others and I myself have suggesting logging issues and actually do them...) [15:19] *suggested [15:21] Sorry, in turn, if my response sounded snarky, it wasn't meant to either. [15:25] Another enhancement I'd like, even if it has to be done app by app, is "ensure one of the principles of convergence by ensuring that the touchscreen keyboards never obscure key text/visual elements either in portrait or landscape mode" because right now that principle is not yet airtight. [15:26] i don't think that's feasible [15:26] at some point there is going to be something on the screen that is going to be covered by the keyboard, that someone thinks is important [15:28] But if I have to unlock rotation and swivel 90 degrees out of my prefered landscape into portrait then revert back after input/whatever is performed, well, that is irksome. And yes does prioritise/force use of physical keyboards. [15:28] *yes it does [15:28] yes, it is annoying [15:31] Hmm, qdirstat doesn't seem to have a vivid repo, or an ARM build, or whatever. This saddens me :( [15:38] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/XPqMGlVv.png [15:38] On other systems this shows the disk usage and disk total, but on UT it's just the disk total. Maybe a setting needs kt be tweaked. [15:39] *to [15:39] i doubt you're going to get a useful reading for your sd card from an app in libertine [15:40] what does `df -h` say if you run it inside libertine? [15:40] But I mean, it doesn't show disk usage for the internal disk either. [15:41] Let's see. [15:42] right, that's the point i was trying to make. the numbers are gong to be mostly meaningless, because you're inside a chroot [15:42] Hi I compiled hybris-boot and system.img file of Halium. What I need to do to convert them into Ubuntu Touch? [15:42] Do I need to test them first? [15:42] @redshaman, I think you should ask in the porting channel. You were invited to it already no? [15:43] IDK. [15:43] @redshaman, I would think so, yes, you should make sure the phone boots with your builds, so you don't waste time trying to get ubuntu booting, thinking the problem is somewhere it is not [15:43] The command doesn't seem to show the card. [15:44] @dohbee, Okay. When installing AOSP based ROMs from recovery we don't need to backup personal data. Do I need to backup personal data before trying halium? [15:45] @TartanSpartan, right, it shows mounts, and they're all bind mounts, inside the container, so it probably only sees those, and the "available" space is probably not right for them, depending on where they're originally from [15:45] @redshaman, you always need to back up personal data if you care to keep it [15:45] @dohbee, thanks [15:46] and ubuntu is not a ROM, so if you want ubuntu working at some point, you're going to lose all the data on your device [15:46] so yes you should always back it up [15:46] (plus you have no idea what will actually happen, and a bug could erase all your data) [15:46] Data that is not copy in three places at least is not important … — Confucius [15:48] ugh [15:49] the stereotyping of confucius is so racist, and just wrong :-/ [15:50] ^how so? [15:50]