[00:00] <ochosi> anyway, really off now ->
[00:00] <bluesabre> have a good night ochosi
[00:11] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-indicator-plugin 2.3.4 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-indicator-plugin-2-3-4-released-tp50777.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[00:59] <donofrio> so what am I doing wrong https://apaste.info/8x5P
[00:59] <donofrio> any "service" needed for repo adds?
[01:01] <Unit193> donofrio: I'd say 'dirmngr' is missing, right?
[01:04] <donofrio> version 2.2.4 is already installed
[01:04] <donofrio> -1ubuntu1
[01:08] <donofrio> now I get this https://apaste.info/dl9H
[01:13] <Unit193> Odd.  Well you could just get the key and add it in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
[01:59] <donofrio> where would the gpg file be , the path is not there once you run the add-apt
[02:00] <donofrio> dirmngt_ldapservers.conf is missing ;(
[08:26] <Used2BTracker5> runnuing 18.04; installed dropbox. The icon shows up in the top bar (unlike in 16.04). But when i click with my mouse on the dropbox icon no menu is opened (I expect a menu with "open dropbox folder" etc). Is that by design or should I report that as an issue? And would that then be a dropbox issue or an issue in the status notifier?
[08:42] <flocculant> Used2BTracker5: it's not by design - but it's also not a Xubuntu issue - there were ways to get the icon working that I used a while back. try https://askubuntu.com/questions/732967/how-to-fix-non-working-dropbox-icon-on-xubuntu-14-04-lts-64
[08:44] <flocculant> ali1234: thanks - I got sidetracked yesterday when I got back - totally forgot about the blueman thing
[08:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: did you see the last bit from ali yesterday?
[09:24] <Unit193> Used2BTracker5: Do you use thunar-dropbox-plugin too?  I personally patched /usr/bin/dropbox, one can patch it to get the indicator fully working or just fully switch to a tray icon.
[09:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: we should set the new "square" option in indicator, sn-plugin and systray
[10:36] <Used2BTracker5> flocculant, thanks, will have a look
[10:40] <Used2BTracker5> flocculant, BTW, it's not the problem " black with a red slashed zero" as described on the site you kindly pointed me to. The right dropbox icon is showing, with the right animation when syncing; and when i hover over it it tells me what it is doing. But the only thing is, that when I click on it it does not open the dropboxmenu. So, would you advice me that this is still the same problem ?
[11:14] <flocculant> Used2BTracker5: not sure tbh - not something I use
[11:14] <Used2BTracker5> ok. will look into it more.
[11:14] <flocculant> :)
[11:15] <Used2BTracker5> just experienced a crash of bluetooth. When I chose to report the problem, the error report functionality told me the error was already reported, and that the browser would be opened so that I could add extra information. The browser opened, but then showed "Error: page not found".
[11:15] <Used2BTracker5> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1542829
[11:15] <ubottu> Error: launchpad bug 1542829 not found
[11:16] <Used2BTracker5> Any advice on what to do?
[11:16] <Used2BTracker5> ubottu, indeed
[11:18] <bluesabre> ochosi: systray has that option?
[11:25] <flocculant> Used2BTracker5: that generally meens that the bug is a Private one - only the reporter and bug squad people can see it
[11:25] <flocculant> hi bluesabre 
[11:25] <bluesabre> hey flocculant 
[11:26] <bluesabre> saw the conversation with ali, blueman is to blame then?
[11:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: looks like 
[11:26] <flocculant> don't know the best way to test it other than with a hammer - have an iso without and see what happens then :D
[11:28] <bluesabre> did we create a bug report with the info we found? I might be able to dig in this weekend, fixed blueman once before
[11:28] <flocculant> didn't do a report as had no idea what to report against
[11:29] <flocculant> I can from the vanilla install - probably best - then if it goes private I'll change it 
[11:29]  * flocculant toddles off to do that now while I think about it :p
[11:29] <flocculant> brb
[11:30] <Used2BTracker5> flocculant, I didn't know about "private" errors, so I was confused... 
[11:33] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant 
[11:33] <bluesabre> Used2BTracker5: yes, if the bug reported may contain sensitive information or exposes a security risk, it gets marked as private unless the reporter marks it as not or somebody in the bugs team marks it as not
[11:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1754836
[11:37] <ubottu> bug 1754836 in bluez (Ubuntu) "Failed to activate service " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754836
[11:37] <flocculant> just going to try and get xsession errors from live session
[11:43] <flocculant> bluesabre: live doesn't seem to show the same thing for bluez - but added anyway
[11:44] <bluesabre> thanks flocculant 
[11:44] <bluesabre> ochosi: ind looks good, packaged and tested, time to upload :)
[11:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: np
[11:45] <flocculant> I perhaps should have been a lot noiser about this 3 months ago lol
[11:45] <bluesabre> :D
[11:45] <bluesabre> flocculant: something else would have broken with it in that time
[11:45] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[11:46] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/2.3.4-0ubuntu1
[11:49] <flocculant> bluesabre: I assume you caught all the new people on tracker - and now have met the new person in here :)
[11:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: indeed, seen some new nicks
[11:49] <bluesabre> very nice :)
[11:56] <flocculant> yup :)
[12:17] <bluesabre> tested and packaged this too, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/1.6.14-1ubuntu1
[12:18] <flocculant> awesome 
[12:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: at least in 4.13 it has it. not sure whether we backported it (could ask ninetls to look into it ;))
[12:45] <bluesabre> ochosi: seems not, at least with the current stable 4.12.x
[12:45] <ninetls> ochosi: only 4.13 has it, we haven't backported it
[12:45] <ochosi> bluesabre: not sure we want another FFe for that
[12:46] <bluesabre> I consider that more UI than feature
[13:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: true that. so depends if anyone (ninetls?) feels like backporting
[13:01] <ochosi> should be doable though
[13:01] <ochosi> question is whether theres anything else panel-wise we want
[13:03] <flocculant> ochosi: re panel - next cycle I will revisit the 'flocculant to look at panel changes'
[13:06] <bluesabre> knome, slickymaster, Unit193... is this an issue?
[13:06] <bluesabre> warning: failed to load external entity "C/translator-credits.xml"
[13:06] <bluesabre> warning: failed to load external entity "C/translators.xml"
[13:08] <bluesabre> other than that, docs are ready to upload
[13:13] <ochosi> flocculant: cool, i think next cycle we shpuld target the 4.13 panrl
[13:13] <ochosi> crap. phone.
[13:13] <flocculant> :D
[13:13] <flocculant> I assume you mean 4.13 panel abnd not 4.13 phone
[13:14] <flocculant> crap. fat fingers.
[13:14] <bluesabre> pretty sure he's talbfing about the 3.14 phone
[13:14] <flocculant> lmao
[13:15]  * flocculant is trying to get photo's from daughter's iphone :(
[13:15] <flocculant> next time perhaps she'll listen and not do the whole iHype thing
[13:17] <ochosi> thanks for all the typos :D
[13:18] <flocculant> :p
[13:27] <knome> bluesabre, is what an issue?
[13:28] <bluesabre> knome: when building the docs, I see
[13:28] <bluesabre> warning: failed to load external entity "C/translator-credits.xml"
[13:28] <bluesabre> warning: failed to load external entity "C/translators.xml"
[13:29] <bluesabre> also this, but that doesn't sound like a significant issue
[13:29] <bluesabre> [WARN] FOUserAgent - The contents of fo:region-before on page 46 exceed the available area in the block-progression direction by 1450 millipoints. (See position 2:583354)
[13:44] <knome> bluesabre, i think that's always happened
[13:44] <knome> yes, don't worry about it
[13:44] <knome> the first warning is, i imagine, for the english build
[13:44] <knome> as there should be no translators.xml file
[13:45] <knome> the other is related to creating the PDF files, but i've checked them numerous times and nothing overlaps any page or other area in a meaningful (or even visible) way, so *shrug*
[13:56] <bluesabre> knome, thanks!
[13:59] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/18.04
[13:59] <knome> np
[14:02] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [bionic] r645 Strip whitespace from d/changelog and d/rules, update Standa... (by Sean Davis)
[14:02] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [bionic] r646 Release 18.04 (by Sean Davis)
[14:19] <flocculant> ochosi: tiny little icon in sn-plugin? https://i.imgur.com/w2PVIVv.png
[14:19] <flocculant> panel is 26px
[14:25] <bluesabre> flocculant: try enabling the square icons config option in sn-plug and see if that helps
[14:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: just moves it a tiny little bit to the right :p
[14:26] <bluesabre> lol
[14:26] <flocculant> bug report it? 
[14:26] <bluesabre> go for it
[14:28] <flocculant> at least it showed something - not had anything show up in there previously :p
[14:29] <flocculant> I've never really got which things should show up in these types of plugins
[14:30] <flocculant> actually when I think about it - the net one I hid was small too
[14:31] <bluesabre> flocculant: panel version?
[14:32] <flocculant> 4.12.2
[14:32] <flocculant> bug 1754854
[14:32] <ubottu> bug 1754854 in xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin (Ubuntu) "Tiny icon shown in plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754854
[14:37] <ninetls> ochosi: I can try. most likely, it won't be hard
[14:43] <ninetls> flocculant: is it gtk or qt version of transmission?
[14:44] <flocculant> ninetls: gtk I assume - ubuntu version
[14:51] <bluesabre> guessing it's a bug in the panel height calculation if it's not full width
[14:52] <ninetls> works on my machine!
[14:52] <ninetls> but I have xfce4-panel 4.13
[14:52] <ninetls> I can try to test on 4.12
[15:18] <ninetls> tried on 4.12 and still couldn't reproduce :/
[16:38] <slickymaster> bluesabre, I think that error always happens
[18:15] <Used2BTracker5> I'd like some more directions for testing please. I have been using 18.04 for two days now. I'm using all my normal programmes: firefox, vmware-view-client, dropbox, libreoffice. All's well. Only had a crash in bluetooth, which is already being worked on (if I understand correctly).
[18:15] <Used2BTracker5> So, as to directions:
[18:16] <Used2BTracker5> Is there anything I can do? A testcase for an up to date 18.04, which you would like to see?
[18:17] <Used2BTracker5> Is there an Xubuntu program which I perhaps don't normally use, but which has been misbehaving, and since been updated, which needs a testrun?
[19:13] <flocculant> Used2BTracker5: it's often quieter here at times on the weekend :p
[19:14] <flocculant> doing what you've been doing is more or less what I do
[19:14] <flocculant> what you could do is this: 
[19:14] <flocculant> go to the release note for 18.04 ( https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes )
[19:15] <flocculant> check the issues we've noted - make sure they are still issues
[19:15] <slickymaster> hmm flocculant what ever happened to the packages tracker?
[19:16] <flocculant> then further down in the Major Updates section - check out all of the new or updated applications we've noted there - and try them out too
[19:16] <flocculant> also - have a think about usability issues - does the application you're using make life hard? could a change make things easier?
[19:17] <flocculant> slickymaster: we don't often use it now as it seemed better to try and get people to actually use things in real life
[19:18] <flocculant> I could enable it for 18.04 but a bit late in the game now as likely changes needed to many testcases 
[19:18] <slickymaster> thought of it in the sequence of Used2BTracker5 request
[19:18] <slickymaster> nooooo
[19:18] <flocculant> yea - I did exactly the same thinking :p
[19:18] <slickymaster> only 7 corrected so far
[19:18] <flocculant> anyway - with that - I'm off again for a while
[19:18] <slickymaster> hf
[19:19] <flocculant> :)
[19:29] <Used2BTracker5> Explored my 18.04 a bit for things I wouldn't normally use. Came across something which seems "wrong": http://i.imgur.com/Jqdge9z.png. If I click on details I see this: http://i.imgur.com/Najzu0J.png
[19:30] <Used2BTracker5> It's not something that's bothering me, but, well, I thought I report it here. :-)
[19:31] <Used2BTracker5> ((Thank you all for your patience. I'm learning as I go along; only just found out how to use print screen in conjunction with imgur... :-) ))
[19:33] <Used2BTracker5> https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes is very helpful, thanks
[19:41] <flocculant> that is a new thing for menulibre - it's telling you it has found issues with menu files
[19:41] <flocculant> funny how the second shot isn't translated
[19:42] <flocculant> off again - back early tomorrow - then back in the afternoon
[19:42] <flocculant> Used2BTracker5: thanks for working with us :)
[19:44] <Used2BTracker5> Well, the warning message isn't translated either. Luckily I understand english ;-)
[19:48] <Used2BTracker5> The menu files, which menulibre has found issues with, were not added by me; they apparently are part of the initial installation. As a simple end user I would not know what to do to rectify these menu files.
[19:49] <Used2BTracker5> Anyway: thank you for your time.
[20:08] <bluesabre> flocculant: added a work item to fix the issues menulibre finds with launchers to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-b-development
[20:15] <Used2BTracker5> bluesabre, I reported the issue on launchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1754888); should I delete that bug report?
[20:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1754888 in MenuLibre "Menulibre: invalid desktop files detected!" [Undecided,New]
[20:16] <bluesabre> thanks Used2BTracker5, you can keep the bug report, we'll mark it fixed once we've taken care of the issues :)
[20:19] <Used2BTracker5> you're welcome. Glad to be able to help.
[20:33] <Used2BTracker5> On 18.04 played around with mate-calc. It crashed without a message. I do have a crash report. I want to report this on launchpad, but need advice; is such a crash report likely to contain private information in any way/ (passwords, ip-adresses, and such)
[23:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: Any reason not to sync parole?