 Is 16.04 stable enough to use as a daily driver yet? I don't mind bugs as long as the core functionality (texting, calling, WiFi, Bluetooth) is stable.
 @sayedibnmasud, Welcome, Sayed! Check out this link to get you started! https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 Depends what device and you dont know when things will break
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Nexus 5
 I'd like to contribute some bug reports but I only have one phone
 In that case, I'd recommend you wait until a stable release is rolled
 last time I tried it things mostly worked but I didn't test cellular
 but most non-included apps didn't work and yeah
 if it's your daily driver not the best idea
 Alright, thank you!
 Open store still doesn't work, nore telegram, and a couple of days ago an update made it so we had to reflash the phone so itd boot
 sorry
 :(
 But hopefully it shouldnt be to long, some apps just nerd a recompile to work on 16.04
[06:11] <ubptgbot> rober was added by: rober
 is it normal that in xenial, kernel spits everything to syslog?
 @dohbee, ohw come on the compose key does a good job :^3
 resolving that issue that is lol
 @rober, Welcome Roberto! Take a look at this link to get you started: https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
[07:15] <ubptgbot> dad_and_alive was added by: dad_and_alive
 Joe and Wayne have triggered my conscience in the latest audiocast. I realize I have been 'lurking' for too long now, and I would want to somehow move up to the 'contributer' category. What would be a good place to start contributing?
 @dad_and_alive, What are your skills?
 Good question. I have some programming, analysis and PM experience, but wouldn't dare to call me an expert in any of those domains. And in any case, I have -alas- near to no C++ experience and no QML experience at all.  I do consider myself to have a fairly good eye for detail and I like troubleshooting and code analysis. And
[07:51] <ubptgbot> my English is OK. Maybe I can somehow apply these high-level skills to the project's benefit, while meanwhile getting a grip on the code and coding procedures/techniques?
[08:00] <ubptgbot> nandanrmenon was added by: nandanrmenon
 Hello
 @dad_and_alive, Hmm the usual path would be then to start with bug confirmation / QA quality improvements maybe?
 @Flohack, Sounds great to me. I guess I could indeed start going through the list of hammerhead (my device, as daily driver) bugs.
 Yes and look for the one with "needs confirmation" first. We got a lot of unconfirmed bugs that we need to get on :)
 OK, will do. Thanks for the advice!
 @nandanrmenon, Hi Nandan, check out this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @Stereofont, Please, it is not clear to me. U mean there is Ubports Africa group?
 @AmolithSeregion, thanks
 @sbjabire, Hi, it means we are testing the waters to see if there is enough people, and interest, to form a group/s
[09:45] <ubptgbot> Manu K Nath was added by: Manu K Nath
 @advocatux, 9ce idea👍🏼
 @Manu K Nath, Hi Manu, go to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @sbjabire, We already have an Arabic group
[11:52] <ubptgbot> Masterjaguar was added by: Masterjaguar
 @Masterjaguar, Hi Master Jaguar, you can go to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 Is there another solution without switch to devel? The problem is this https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/376
 Hi @Giampy_DAntonio AFAIK the only solution for now is to switch to devel channel and then to stable again
 @advocatux, ok, thanks!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/9SJLX8t8.webp
 [Edit] Hi @Giampy_DAntonio AFAIK the only solution for now is to switch to devel channel and then back to stable again
 @Giampy_DAntonio, I don't know anything about this but as far as I understand flashing the whole image would fix it too
[12:58] <ubptgbot> Rasmus was added by: Rasmus
 @unknown, I solved it switching to devel and after to stable!!!
 @Stereofont, That's great👍🏼
 @Giampy_DAntonio, would switch to devel from stable wipe the phone up?
 @c4trololo, No
 @Rasmus, Hi Rasmus, see this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @Flohack, ok thanks sir im still learning about UT and hopefully about Linux itself. because in android if we switch rom build we have to wipe
 What is the status of Unity8 on the desktop? I know it's not a daily driver & needs a mir update to support Wayland apps but I mean for development. I would be interested in userland/qml stuff but I am far from fluent in C++/low level graph stack.
 @c4trololo, In Italia diciamo:"Questo è Ubuntu, non pizza e fichi di Canicattì!". … In Italy we said:"This is Ubuntu, not pizza and figs of Canicattì!". (Canicattì is a little town in Italy)
 @Rasmus, This is the last info from @alan_griffiths https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1023/no-more-mir-egl-on-1804lts-bionic
 I have seen that and WebDrakes ongoing Mir work. But I can't figure out if trying to get it running right now is feasible or if it's just a waist of time until that work is merged
 [Edit] I have seen that and WebDrakes ongoing Mir work. But I can't figure out if trying to get it running right now is feasible or if it's just a waste of time until that work is merged
 It works under 16.04 I believe..
 New telegram app update since yesterday!
 I got 128 downloads right now, cmon peopel you can do better
 [Edit] I got 128 downloads right now, cmon people you can do better
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0qZsV95A.webp
 lol
 😄😄😄
 @Rasmus, If you don't use qt based apps from the Ubuntu archive, then it will run on 16.04. But for 18.04 it doesn't hang together. The various parts can likely be run in isolation, but need to be "wired up" in a new configuration. … It is experimental though, don't try it on your main system.
 @Flohack, 129 :P
 Thx. Also I got 2 irritating reports about no msgs being shown, and constant loss of connection, plz confirm if you encounter this
 works fine for now
 Thanks for the update @Flohack  :)
 np welcome ;)
 Right now for me all OK. Well, always somethig to improve. But, whit the notifications run well all rest is enought for me.  :D
 @Flohack, Yay!
 @Flohack, Oh
 @Flohack, It possible happens... I mean, when you change form wifi to data phone whit Telegram run, sometimes this not can be get data interntet... the fast solution is close telegram. And on/off data phone and/or on/off wifi. I think is a issue whit net api in general.
 (Photo, 920x1136) https://irc.ubports.com/MJpSTJNF.png
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Well the reports are that the device constantly looses connection when coming out of sleep, and that supergroups show no messages anymore sometimes. However, I tested myself and with some other people, we did not nitce that
 @alan_griffiths, Thanks! I will get a VM with 16.04 then  and try tp get ot running
 Not noticing any problems here @Flohack
 Did you change some visual things? Something looks different to me, bit I can’t put my finger on it
 [Edit] Did you change some visual things? Something looks different to me, but I can’t put my finger on it
 *reads release notes* ah.
 Still go gif support though, or is that a feature? 😏
 @YougoChats, 👌🏼
 [Edit] Still no gif support though, or is that a feature? 😏
 Well: Gifs, more options control groups, hooked messenges, filters search, general search, phone call... This stuff is missing... but not essential to day by day, at last for me XD Maybe right now, whit the official API library support by Telegram in future version can see something of this :D
 Kids these days communicate solely through GIF
 Emoticons are so 2010
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/ElByCXGp.png
 Listening to @neothethird at Chemnitzer Linux Days
 Is the event being recorded? 🎥
 I don't know, but it's in German anyways
 I'm German and your photo looks really interesting to me
 I'll ask afterwards
 Thank you - would be great
 ooh, dropping the bomb in front of the audience
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/ITspMTHG.png
 I wish I could be there 🤩
 @YougoChats, Gif support is unfortunately bound to the api. We are too low still ;)
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, What are hooked msgs?
 @peternerlich, If not: please ask if he could publish his slides 🙃
 @Flohack, In Goups no?
 I dont understand hooked xD
 Sorry. Anchored
 Ahh pinned xD
 This! XD
 LOL
 @alan_griffiths, We'll unity8 will still run ok on 16.04, but at apps from Ubuntu archive might not. You can even install clicks on 16.04 x86.
 @sbjabire, http://t.me/UBports_Arabic
 @unknown, yes, it will be uploaded sometime in the next >2 days and will be found via some small icon that is to appear on https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2018/en/programm/beitrag/289 or the program overview
 Thank you :-)
 @alan_griffiths, [Edit] Well unity8 will still run ok on 16.04, but at apps from Ubuntu archive might not. You can even install clicks on 16.04 x86.
 @unknown, 👍
[15:28] <ubptgbot> Saikol was added by: Saikol
 Good how ubuntu touch could adapt my device to someone can guide me what should I learn or where to start please?
 @Saikol, Hi Saikol, read this https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed … There's a Spanish group too https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jPvL8Ohg.webp
 Welcome Saikol, not beeing sure what you are exactly asking for, if you want to install ubuntu touch on your device you should look at https://ubports.com/ - you will find a list of devices which work. Also there is the Ubuntu Touch Q&A channel, you will find the link there - this was very helpful for me at the start !
 test
 Ok works. NOw need to release a minor update meh 😆
 It happens in the best families 🙄
 So did you test?
[16:03] <ginggs> Hi! I have an Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition device, still with Ubuntu 15.04 (OTA-15). What can I install on it?
 @ginggs, First you need to switch to our version of UT
 The other one is no longer supported
[16:15] <ginggs> is it possible to change repositories, or do I need to flash the device?
 Nice! Finally another Telegram update, and it's looking good! Still missing the memberlist for Supergroups and the @gif Giphy search and gif support. Good job and thanks to thosr responsible!
[16:20] <ubptgbot> FreeGarlicBread was added by: FreeGarlicBread
 @ginggs, You can use the UBports Installer to install Ubuntu Touch on it
 @ginggs, You need to flash the device, but you don't necessarily need to wipe the phone in the process. If you have developer mode enabled and can see the phone with adb from your PC, you should be able to just flash with the ubports-installer to the new version
 @FreeGarlicBread, Hi Bread, go to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @Flohack, I haven't had any problem with Telegram v2.5.3.0 Running now v2.5.3.1 in both my phones
 Is it okay to speak of Librem 5 here?
 in what sense?
 Well just talking about the future of GNU/Linux on mobile overall?
 [Edit] Well just talking about the future of GNU/Linux on mobile overall.
 Well right now it's still a concept phone, but I suppose so
 Maybe in the OT channel?
 If you're looking to talk about philisophical kind of stuff, we have an offtopic gro— yeah, that
 @UniversalSuperBox, Can I have a link to that?
 oh my the ubuntu-push code is confusing, when you actually try to look at it
 @FreeGarlicBread, @ubports_ot
[16:49] <ginggs> @Flohack @dohbee @UniversalSuperBox thanks! i used UBports Installer, all done!
 with the new telegram update, what does blue means in the messages I sent?
 Sent but not read
 it's still blue 😅
 I exited this chat and returned but still the same...what's the requirement for it to be tagged as read?
 No, read by others. Plus the problem is, in channels and supergorups its not reliable
 Its the same like before with the checkmarks, but there it was not so obvious
 it's not using the one/two checkmarks for that?
 oh I see.....TBH I like blue than green 😁
 @popescu_sorin you owe me something, my last message on feb 27 is still blue...read it! 😝
 @dohbee, it's new in the latest update
 @Javacookies, i gathered that. but i think it should use the checkmarks for consistency with web/android/ios/official qt apps
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 @dohbee, We made an experiment ;)
 Feedback was good
 I like it, no need to be consistent with the official one as long as it's a better experience
 yep
 @Flohack, It means read by 'someone' in a group, so not especially useful 😊
 can I just use blue for everything? it's more pleasant to my eyes LOL
 @Stereofont, Yeah but this is Telegrams paradigma
 @Javacookies, LOL
[17:50] <ginggs> I did lose my Gmail client and didn't find it in the store, what is recommended for email?
 Dekko2
[17:51] <ginggs> @Stereofont thanks
 Dekko2 is doing great for me though still complete
 If using Gmail you need to authorise Dekko in the Google settings
 *not
 the gmail thing was just a webapp
 it should still be installed though
 maybe it was using an old framework? but i don't think any frameworks were removed since the last canonical images
 weird
 I remember someone saying you can turn on "secured apps only" in google and still work in Dekko, anyone tried that?
 @Javacookies, i guess you'd have to create an app password for gmail then
 or is it using oauth?
 I always get emails about someone having my password whenever I open Dekko 😅
 hmmm, so you can do that in gmail? separate password per app?
 @Javacookies, You allow allegedly 'less secure apps' or select Dekko from a list. Something like that. In the Gmail account, not in Dekko settings
 @Flohack, If your message is for someone (with @), may you know if he has read it?
 @Cesar_Herrera, Nope
 @Cesar_Herrera, In a PM, yes. In a group chat, no.
 Thanks
 Ok I need to make a 2nd patch for Telegram today. some obscure connection issues appeared 😆
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/SfEkFr6s.png
 @Flohack, If I have eliminated the push client with "stop ubuntu-push-client" and start the Telegram app, after 4 seconds it appears all the icons of supergroups in violet colour althow it is wifi or data activated. It i imposible entering the supergroups. You can enter them with WebTelegram.
 the push client has nothing to do with this
 New version in a few minutes, plz update
 Thanks
 Third time's is a charm 🤞
 @Flohack, Whith 2.5.3.2 I have the same problem.
 hmm no idea
 In the worst case plz reset your config folder
 A cache problem?
 Maybe the database index creation has side effects no idea
 No I modified the sqlite db also in this release
 But should not be a problem rly
 I have the new version running in my two phones and so far, so good
 Yes except that some users got an invalid IP cached in the local setup, and that combined with my new network reconnection thread kills your connection every 2nd or 3rd time you wake up from sleep lol
 @Flohack, I deleted it with Tweak Tool, and the same. I don't know how am I the only one with this problem.
 yes me neither ;)
 After deleting config and/or cache you have to reboot your phone
 hmm in any case plz trry to give me a log file with the logviewer upload to pastebin
 @advocatux, yes and reboot.
 👍
[19:37] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> @dohbee, Isn't this only possible if a x86 click exists? I thought at least 99% in the openstore are ARM only?
 @demokrit atomos, No. Most are pure qml or just webapps, which work on any architecture (where unity8 stack can run). True you can't install the clicks that are only built for ARM, but many others can be installed just fine
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Cool thx for the clarification!
 you'll have to build open store from source, as the click for it is ARM only right now; but you can download click files using firefox for example, and then just run `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted foo.click` to install them
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Hm, i have tried a little bit of this a few months ago but with yunit atop of 16.04 not woth the ubports unity 8 stuff and it did not work as intended... (i think there is some post in the forum were i described my hacking) however i allways just built locally without taking the "detour" of click packages and i think this sh
[19:45] <ubptgbot> ould improve system integration right?
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> One last question about this, then you have uour peace again ;-p should i use clickable to built x86 clicks that i want to try on say a x86 tablet or what tool would you recommend? (Dont know whether clickable supports building for non-ARM...)
 It does. Simply use `clickable --desktop`
 It will build an amd64 click, if the manifest.json supports it as well
[19:49] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Great thanks again!!
 @demokrit atomos, well click packages aren't a detour, they're they correct way to install apps for unity8. compiling locally doesn't provide better system, no.
 @Javacookies, i haz no message from 27, last is on 26 and i;m telegram desktop :P
 Thanks Florian for new telegram versión
 hmm still fighting issues with it, praise me later lol
 Lol lol lol lol
 More
 ?
 DUnno yet. I got a few but severe reports about different symptoms
 Seems okay on FP2
 Ok in bq. E4.5
 What is this
 @kutlay1653, It is premature 😄
 😊
 Just a thank you
 @Flohack not sure it is linked to the update, but secret chat is acting weird: after creatinh a new secret chat, and sending some messages to myself from the other party, I get notifications of new messages, but when I open the secret chat only the message 'waiting for user to appear online' is shown.
 @Cesar_Herrera has still issues
 @dad_and_alive, Secret chat is broken since long time. Not compatible with Android & iOS anymolre. Could work sometimes between UT however ;)
 @dohbee, this I like
 @Flohack Ok, thanks.  That's a pity, I guess. Fyi, the other client was Windows 10 mobile
 @dad_and_alive, We are behind the protocol. It was never updated and soon broken after 06/2016 or so.
 @Flohack ... well, then Windows 10 must have had the same protocol lag, because UT-Windows secret communication was still working fine until 1 to 2 months ago (don't remember exact last usage date). Thanks for the info!
 Hey, folks! … Just created a group for Unity8, if anyone's interested … https://t.me/joinchat/FrN-Hg_6_rVeZzZmgfBOjA
 There already is one
 @ubports_unity
 [Edit] @ubports_unity8
[21:13] <ubptgbot> Nachhilfe was added by: Nachhilfe
 oh, didnt know. ignore it, then
 Is this UBports group only in english, or does there exist a german one?
 @UBports_DEUTSCH
 oh, danke :)
[21:21] <opendata> Is there any progress on an Oreo halium
[21:22] <opendata> (that can work with ubports)
 @opendata, Maybe ask in the halium group xD
[21:32] <opendata> I have
[21:32] <opendata> Just asking here aswell
[21:34] <opendata> I need it for stuff to work with drm_hwcomposer, gbm_gralloc and mesa
 Hello, is there a master / secure way to backup all data and OS of my BQ Aquaris E5 ? I would like to install Android 👎 - temporarily - need to use it for work in two weeks. After that I would like to reinstall Ubuntu Touch  — Well I have done this before, but had to reinstall all and data was lost.
 @C_Chat, You need to backup 2 folders in recovery
 Thank You, will give it a try.
 @UniversalSuperBox  What's the meaning of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  ?
 hello, is there any proper app for playing audio files on ubuntu touch? I was looking through open store but they are all for streaming and radios.. the original music app stopped functioning and then could not locate it in the open store anymore.. I really made use of this one.. Thanks for any tips;)
 @Cesar_Herrera, It us a shrug. 'Dunno'
 @Cesar_Herrera, [Edit] It is a shrug. 'Dunno'
 @Stereofont, Sorry but I don't get it. Perhaps my age.
[22:12] <opendata> It really would be better if I could just skip hallum
 Eyes, face, hands
 @Stereofont, Thanks.
[22:13] <opendata> But according to a guy that isn't possible
 If you built your own rootfs, maybe it'd kinda work
 But that's not tested yet, sorry
[22:16] <opendata> Pretty sure he said the system relied really heavily onnit
[22:16] <opendata> His nick began with d
[22:16] <opendata> That's all I can remember
[22:17] <opendata> Here
 @opendata, The ubuntu phone builds are pretty heavily dependent on going through the Android HAL to talk to hardware. There's currently no way to build the stack in a way that works reasonably well both with hybris and without, afaik
[22:20] <opendata> Hmm
[22:20] <opendata> I have a working alarm
[22:20] <opendata> Are there ubports packages for that
 Right, you would need a separate build
 Whole separate rootfs
 The ubports repo seems to miss several packages needed to install unity8 on desktop Xenial, for example qtbase-abi-5-9-0 and unity-application-impl-22
 Hmm, there seems to be very different packages for i386 and amd64. Is only one supported? And if so, which one?
 Only amd64 is supported
 It's amd64 I'm using so then it is not that
 Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work. qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artuful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
 [Edit] Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work. qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
 [Edit] Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work_ qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
 [Edit] Is the dependency tree wrong after the bionic work? qtbase-abi-5-9-0 seems to have been introduced in artful https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/qtbase-abi-5-9-0
 @Rasmus, qt 5.9 is provided by the ubports repo, and i think that is a virtual package
 @opendata> <dohbee, right, you'd need to rebuild a bunch of stuff using your own packaging repository, and probably patch a bunch of stuff as well, to not use the hybris android bits
 because all that is pre-selected in the ARM builds now
 even the x86 packages don't currently get rid of libhybris entirely
[23:08] <opendata> Hmm
 the right fix would be to make everything runtime selectable
[23:09] <opendata> Would that be easier than porting halium to o
 i have no idea
 Ah, qtbase-abi-5-9-0 isn't provided at all though neither in xenial nor in xenial_-_mir26
 qtbase-abi-5-9-2 seems to be provided though
 i guess something needs rebuilt then
 qtbase-abi-5-9-0 is actually provided by an older version of libqt5core5a but installing that version manually does not help as other packages needs the newer version. Seems like some packages have been upgraded but others not
 Oh it seems to be xenial_-_mir26 that is not up to speed with xenial
 yeah you shouldn't use the mir26 repo
 The install script does add it though
 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools/master/install.sh
 hmm
 Fwd from advocatux: @Stereofont another bug report with the same file. This is 39 minutes old only. Something is wrong with the file server probably … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/126
 The third one of these, using the installer
 @Stereofont, that is the installer using the wrong path separator
 pool/
 ?
 yes the `/` characters in there need to be `\` on windows
 it's not fixing up the path to use the right separators
 Learn something new every day 😎