 windows accepts / path separator as well
 Your pp is pleasant
 @kergma, in some cases yes, but generally no, and certainly not in a form where both separators are mixed in the path string.
 it always accepts it, even in a mixed form, and it always did, since dos times
 I was surprised too when knew about this little fact
 (Photo, 677x342) https://irc.ubports.com/0SdugXe0.png mixed or not, both path delimiter are ok, the problem is that some commands use "/" as command line switch marker, for exmple "cd" does not, but "md" does, so it will not allow you to, say: md /test
 not everyone was happy that "/" was used as a command line switch, but when MSDOS came about we didn't have large storage devices and there were no directories other than rootdirectory, so the "/" symbol got adopted for command line switches, before directories got implemented, by which time it already was ambiguous, so "\" was
[04:14] <ubptgbot>  adopted for path delimiter. … https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/larryosterman/2005/06/24/why-is-the-dos-path-character/
 @dohbee just belatedly saw you linked me to @Flohack offering the enhancement of absorbing External Drives into System Settings. Cool, but no explicit confirmation that it will describe removable media storage amount/use, although the related issue about a storage indicator seems to. Again, I need to "git Git" to contribute to
[04:43] <ubptgbot>  these things at last!
 Has the anbox development ceased?
 @xreactx, No but we cant do all at the same time and we clearly said we need 16.04 working before.
 @Flohack, Clearly said it somewhere buried in this group...? Just asking because I haven't heard anything about it.
 Do you watch our webcasts?
 I used to... But they're really long. Needs to have a BLUF (bottom line up front)
 Well one hour is not that long. And we got asked in every other one and explained, thats why I sound frustrated. Anbox will come, but no ETA. First lets finish 16.04
 Ok. Well keep up the good work.
 @xreactx, We publish a resume with the main points after every Q&A For example see the last one https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubuntu-touch-q-a-24-97
 @dohbee, So the question remains, whether the delimiter is causing the crop of install fails
[10:46] <ubptgbot> Thiago Rosa was added by: Thiago Rosa
[10:47] <ubptgbot> <Thiago Rosa> Hi, ubuntu touch is compatible with lgk10?
 @Thiago Rosa, Whats that?
 if it's not on this: https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch … then probably not
[10:52] <ubptgbot> <Thiago Rosa> Lg k10 is smartphone
 @Thiago Rosa, No - but feel free to port to it 😉
[11:24] <ubptgbot> Tomas was added by: Tomas
 Hello
 I've wanted to get a bit more info about tablets with ubuntu-touch
 currently there's only official BQ support
 Is there anything else planned?
 There was official BQ support for Canonical Ubuntu Touch
 Just got nexus 5
 😍
 Hmm, I'm curious about the lenovo tab 4 8 plus, seems like a very good overall price/performance/feature balance
 Would even go as far as helping to port it, if I knew a thing about the hardware :|
 I've been looking for something tablet-like that runs linux and has decent specs
 Nexus 7 2013 (flo) is supported
 Look at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html for porting information
 Keeping in mind that I'm a dev and can follow documentation, how long might it take with a new device to get it up and running?
 @Tomas, Runs Linux, and runs Ubuntu touch, are not the same
 @Tomas, Between 1 and infinity hours
 @dohbee, Sounds about right.
 @Tomas, BQ M10 and M10 FHD but expensive
 And the hardware is a bit... meh...
 @Tomas, btw Tomas are you a Polish speaker?
 Lithuanian, so not really.
 Wow two Lithuanians 😎
 It's enough for a group
 Hmmm, I've heard rumours that some apps are properly installed by terminal apt install x, how much of that is true?
 If you do create a group, we'll fight the Polish ones!
 @libremax, @Domas
 @Tomas, None
 @libremax, [Edit] @Dohxis
 I currently own a bq e4.5 that I'll try to get under ubuntu-touch again
 I bailed it at OTA-12 or 13 and switched to android (shame on me)
 You can apt install legacy apps in libertine chtoot
 chroot
 Okay, then another question, there is a way to run google store apps on ubuntu touch now?
 No
 Anbox coming later
 Through some kind of a compatibility layer or an app... don't recall exactly
 Anbox later
 Yes! This is the kind of witchcraft I was told about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdiIwXK2ssQ
 BQ E4.5 with its 1 Gig of RAM, anbox may not run correctly
 Honestly I enjoyed using ubuntu-touch a lot...
 Yeah... That device is not enough for "current use"
 Anbox will run fine
 Apps within might not, but eh
 Don't have anything apart for that phone, that currently has a "port"
 Wet dream would be to have this running ubuntu touch … https://www.amazon.de/dp/B072PZ2DGM
 Anbox alone not very usefull...
 just a POC
 Neither are such comments denigrating 1GB devices
 There are some efforts attempting to revive old devices for the current day. Wouldn't mind having the old E4.5 fully up and running, even after all the abuse it took from me 😁
 I like my bq E4.5 and don't see where are denigrating comments
 Do any of you own or test with a BQ M10  tablet?
 Browser youtube/netflix, terminal, VNC, maybe word processing performance is interesting to me
[12:11] <ubptgbot> Rajpratik71 was added by: Rajpratik71
 @Flohack, yes, 1 hour is not that long.  Plus you can also watch it after, or, download the audio at soundcloud.
 hey everyone, i want to ask why is sudo command asking me a password even tho i didnt set any password?
 @Flohack from the last Telegram update I'm no more able to pin the shortcut on the launcher
[13:18] <ubptgbot> Lol457 was added by: Lol457
 @Lol457, Welcoem, Nguyen! Take a look at this link to get you started! … https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 @Lol457, [Edit] Welcome, Nguyen! Take a look at this link to get you started! … https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 @c4trololo, how do you unlock the screen? with PIN?
 @dohbee, when i type in password, the screen shows nothing
 @c4trololo, when your phone screen locks, and then you go to unlock it, do you have to type in a PIN or passphrase?
 and yes, sudo password prompt does not show what you type
 @dohbee, im asking about is Ubuntu PC not Ubuntu Touch. ok thanks sir i'll try it one more time
 @c4trololo, This is not a support channel for Ubuntu on PCs. Go to #ubuntu on freenode IRC for that
 @dohbee, ok thanks sir
[13:36] <ubptgbot> lepatcoin was added by: lepatcoin
 Would be possible to have fm radio on nexus 5?😄
 @Gabriele, It does not have the hardware, so no
 An idea: would be cool to have the media preview of youtube/daily Motion linked in notification bar on audio section. This on desktop like unity 8.
 @Tomas, [Edit] I have bougth M10 FHD Ubuntu edition and now i use it with Ubports ota 3 and i no problem. The price on link you provide seems HD version and maybe android editon. i'm not go wrong on the Ubuntu version have "ubuntu Editon" written on the box. (the price for M10 FHD ubuntu editon was about 249 euro)
 The service is back online
 @Tomas, [Edit] I have bougth M10 FHD Ubuntu edition  2 years ago, and now i use it with Ubports ota 3 and i no problem. The price on link you provide seems HD version and maybe android editon. i'm not go wrong on the Ubuntu version have "ubuntu Editon" written on the box. (the price for M10 FHD ubuntu editon was about 249 e
[15:37] <ubptgbot> uro)
[15:45] <rah> how dependent on Android frameworks is UBports?
[15:45] <rah> would it be a big deal to port UBports to a GNU/Linux stack?
[15:47] <rah> by which I mean, a stack without any Android drivers
[15:48] <rah> only normal GNU/Linux drivers
 @rah, the ubuntu-touch stack is very heavily dependent on libhybris and the android HAL underneath, particularly on ARM
[15:49] <rah> for example, X or Wayland graphics, an oFono modem, etc.
 Ofono is already used afaik
 you can use the unity8-desktop-session stack though, on x86 at least
 yes, ofono is used for telephony bits
[15:50] <rah> dohbee: why x86 only and not arm?
 re: X/Wayland, no, Unity8 is extremely tightly tied to Mir, but you can run X apps with Xmir, and wayland clients should work at some point
[15:51] <rah> so it would require porting Mir
 @rah, because the packages are built that way. x86 assumption is PC, and ARM assumption is phone/tablet, right now
 @rah, i have no idea what you're trying to do, but i expect "porting mir" is not something necessary
[15:52] <rah> dohbee: I'm considering the amount of work needed to put UBports on a GNU/Linux phone
 rah, do you have such phone?
[15:53] <rah> and gauging interest in doing so
 but Mir has different backends
[15:53] <rah> NotKit: not at the moment
 @rah, "significant"
[15:53] <rah> dohbee: I see
 but you should theoretically be able to build AOSP using an upstream kernel and open source drivers, too, for such a device
[15:54] <rah> so I guess there isn't going to be much interest in making that happen
 e. g.  Android one and normal Linux DRM/KMS one
 @dohbee, At least freedreno only works with android Oreo, and libhybris has no support for it yet
 I think it'd be better to not screw with libhybris if we've got a DRM driver
 Is Ubuntu touch using any libhybris APIs directly?
[15:56] <rah> dohbee: I'm explicitly interested in avoiding Android
 sure, but if you can make true Linux phone, porting UBPorts would be least of worries
[15:56] <rah> NotKit: indeed
[15:57] <rah> so basically, in order to have UBports, a phone first needs to have Android on it
 @UniversalSuperBox, certainly, but it's not a trivial change, and one needs to rebuild stuff and create a custom rootfs
[15:57] <rah> pfft :-(
 All things which are in the realm of possibilities
 @rah, unless you want to do all the extra work to make it not need android, yes
 certainly, but people asking need to know what it will take
[15:59] <bshah> in theory... it should be easy to get mir working I think... given it have drm plugin already right?
[15:59] <bshah> (at least)
[15:59] <rah> is there anyone already working on UBports who's interested in doing the extra work to make it not need android?
 @rah, no, not all all. The ubports rootfs should just work out of the box. mir alredy has mesa DRM.
 @bshah, i mean, it's not hard to get it working, it works on x86 already
 Same way you can run our armhf rootfs in a qemu out of the box
[16:01] <rah> mariogrip: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying; you seem to be saying that UBports does not need Android first but if you're saying that, it's contradicting what other people are saying
 but getting things working as well without libhybris, as they do with, is going to be a lot of work
 you can believe him as project lead :)
 there are bits of things that rely on android properties and such
 @dohbee, yes, sure, but porting Android is going to be a lot of work as well, so why not
 Well, Ubuntu Touch works on halium which has no property service
 but we need to have such a device first anyway
 @NotKit, there are plenty of devices to build such a thing on
[16:02] <rah> mariogrip: would it be a big deal to port UBports to a GNU/Linux stack, with no Android drivers?
 raspberry pi, any x86 machine, etc
 @dohbee, they wouldn't have phone-related hardware
 @NotKit, why not?
 I mean without having a thing to use it on there is no real point to work on it
 http://www.davidhunt.ie/piphone-a-raspberry-pi-based-smartphone/
 lots of x86 laptops have SIM slots
 I guess the first thing to do would be to run the armhf rootfs on the device with your kernel
 usb modems are readily available
 You would need to add a console or debug bridge, but I'm sure you have that already
 you can use fake modems in ofono to test with
 but ofono is the part that *should* work without libhybris anyway
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HFEH2nl9.png
 Any help
 🤔
 I suppose what would really need adapting are things like sensors, video decoding/camera
 @NotKit, camera works
 on RPi in UBPorts?
[16:06] <rah> what functionality does UBports rely on libhybris for?
 @NotKit, on x86
 ah, nice
 @Uchihaitachii, Plox
 i can scan qr codes with authenticator app using my webcam
 @Uchihaitachii, we have a welcome group where there's lots of help for things like installation. Could you join over there? bports.com/telegram-welcome
 @rah, rah, Sorry, i was in a meeting. But yes, it would work pretty much out of the box. none of the android services are needing in order for it work. It alredy works pretty nice with halium that uses none of the android bridge services. And on to of that we got unity8 and it's stack working on normal desktop sessions (like ubunt
[16:07] <ubptgbot> u bionic). All the startup scripts are made to handle different hardware.
 @rah, it's not that it necessarily relies on hybris for the functionality entirely. it's just that ubuntu touch is built around android based phones, and there are lots of assumptions in the code, and how the binaries are built
 a lot of fixes to make those assumptions be runtime loadable, instead of compile time, are necessary
[16:08] <rah> "mariogrip ... it would work pretty much out of the box"
 Most of those assumptions are in `lxc-android-config` which is one package
[16:08] <rah> "dohbee ... there are lots of assumptions in the code, and how the binaries are built"
[16:08] <rah> there's some conflicting information here :-)
 rah, I think the result is "it should work after some tinkering and fixing things", just different views
 take an ARM device, unpack the rootfs, install the stock ubuntu kernel and stuff, and see
[16:09] <rah> is there anyone interested in doing that?
 So, first thing to try would be to install https://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-rootfs-armhf/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/ubports-touch.rootfs-xenial-armhf.tar.gz as your rootfs
 @rah, I could do it
 with librem phone being worked on, and postmarketos guys making progress running native, it might be maybe a year ahead?
 i mean, having a gnu/alpine linux foundation phone that basically works without libhybris / android inside?
 pmos is not native afaict
 It is
 it'll be expensive (purism) or old (pmos), but it'll exist
 @NotKit was working on making it not-native
[16:15] <opendata> uh
[16:15] <opendata> it is
 <s>devil here</s>
 @UniversalSuperBox, maybe on some devices, but on most i looked at it was "grab lineage kernel"
[16:15] <bshah> what is "native" ?
 @NotKit, Yep, sensors are not working at all, on my N5 I see that only gos, accelerometer and I think gyroscope are working. Most of sensors tests gave 'segmentation fault'. I have an idea for an app using sensors, but unfortunately I have to bring other ideas to life. A little pity
[16:15] <opendata> dohbee yeah, we use los kernels for most devices
 or well, nothing works if you don't have the propreitary bits
 i think pmos say "start with lineage, but mainline where possible"
[16:16] <opendata> but we dont use any android blobs
[16:16] <opendata> yeah
[16:16] <opendata> like castor
[16:17] <opendata> downstream had not display or anytthing, upstream does
[16:17] <opendata> oh, lol you asked the same question as i did a while
 @tydell, or find out why sensors are broken and fix them? :)
[16:19] <opendata> rah, what is your device
 Of course I will try to investigate this issue in my free time :) when my two little home terrorists are asleep :D
 @tydell, test_sensors itself?
 The libhybris test?
 Yeah, that'll fail.
 Even if you're using libhybris, the tests from the UBports libhybris packages don't work right
[16:28] <ubptgbot> <thomas ripper> Hello there, is there any way to import contacts from Sim card without getting a new contact for each number even when its the same Name?
 Hello commnuty. Someone have some problem to run Gallery app?? Today I try and not work. I clean all whit Utweak, and reinstall but nothing.
 [Edit] Hello community. Someone have some problem to run Gallery app?? Today I try and not work. I clean all whit Utweak, and reinstall but nothing.
 [Edit] Hello community. Someone have it some problem to run Gallery app?? Today I tried and It not worked. I cleaned all whit Utweak, and reinstall but nothing.
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, on 15.04 or 16.04?
[18:50] <ubptgbot> Junro was added by: Junro
 @UniversalSuperBox, what is this link??? Y U NO GIVE U IN LINK?  I help U! … https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome
 @dohbee, Sorry. 15.04 ota 3. Bq e4.5
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Seems to work OK here on nexus 4
[19:30] <ubptgbot> ilyaishere was added by: ilyaishere
 Hello :)
 Welcome
 @rogieroudshoorn, Oh, hi! Nice to see you here :)
 ZenFone? :)
 Still need to attempt on 5.1 ...
 Haha :)
 Maybe I'll have a go on Friday
 Found some bootloader references
 I have a problem with libhybris that I hope you UBPorts guys can help me with :) … I have Halium with test_hwcomposer running successfully on Ubuntu 16.04, but failing on Debian Testing rootfs
 It's all quite weird, no special logs, except for one saying that hwcomposer fails to get drm connector
 To the best of my knowledge, all of the components are basically the same...
 So what I wanted to ask is if you know whether there are any specific patches in Ubuntu that get libhybris going :)
 You'll rather want to test with a real client
 @dohbee, Last version from open store? I will try clean all photos, images and videos.
 The tests do not always work
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ok... … It's just weird for me that 2 systems that are that alike have different results in tests :)
 Our libhybris has changes for mir
 ```hwcomposer: bool IntelHWComposerDrm::detectDisplayConnection(int): detecting display 1 drm mode info... … hwcomposer: _drmModeConnector* IntelHWComposerDrm::getConnector(int): fail to get required connector … hwcomposer: bool IntelHWComposerDrm::detectDisplayConnection(int): fail to get drm connector``` … is the problem.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Libhybris itself?
 Yep, and the tests that we build don't test correctly
 I have source-built libhybris...
 Better to just try to use a client
 Ok, everyone is sleeping now, I'll ask someone about PlaMo launch command tomorrow :)
 Thanks :)
 No problem
 @UniversalSuperBox, I think the question was not about libhybris itself, but rather about the rest of the Ubuntu userspace as coming from canonical. The Halium reference rootfs works on this Intel device, but in the debian based rootfs, test_hwcomposer does not work. dmesg shows no bigger differences between debian and ubun
[19:42] <ubptgbot> tu, and libhybris is also mostly the same.
 Oh... whose libhybris is it then?
 self-built from master, in both cases, Ubuntu and debian
 Not sure if that's important, but on Debian, I also have to manually specify ld path: … `LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libhybris-egl/:/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libhybris/:/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH`
 i386?
 Yes
 @wayneoutthere Joe, your latest audiocast rocks, love it as usual :)
 curious.   why?  one line of detail about why you liked it would be good :)
 Topic! The no-telecom company project was gold
 (and curius if any of the musicians got the little word play in the title this time ... )
 also the thing about apps in the openstore and your commencts about X
 @malditobastardo, ah.  ok cool.
 I am still listening to it
 everyone is the telecom company in that scenario
 do you think Rodney will like what I said about him???
 shh... it was mr X
 for me
 oh.... right!
 who will be the 1400th member?  :)
 hype train?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/o7nKA0Hl.mp4
 wooooooah... awesome.  My TG just showed something awesome.  i"ll screenshot it
 (Photo, 1053x690) https://irc.ubports.com/6aB0Fe7w.png they must have heard us talking about member counts! :-0
 wtd
 (desktop)
 wtf
 what the duck??
 wtd??
 I dont understand
 @wayneoutthere, yes
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/PWSciGZQ.webp
 Wawaweewa! Gif support in the Desktop mode in Ubuntu Touch?
 and tis is what the fox
 @Jo_Led, no
 (Sticker, 494x512) https://irc.ubports.com/wOC89kRf.webp
 Oh right. Approaching 1,4k members... Got my hopes up too high for a moment there.
 And i just see that it says 2781 members in the photo. I guess that's the kwazy in the pict.
 A few days ago, my bq E4.5 with ubuntu had a bad flight, the smartphone is unusable! … I must buy a nexus 5, I installed ubuntu toch, solved the problem with mobile connection like someone described in the bug's messages but now I don't like have one allarm notification for e-mail, sms, telegram and others. What can I edit t
[21:05] <ubptgbot> o change something without upsetting the system?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/eX5Bz8vi.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/gWf5RM0a.png
 The red rubbish bin  area gets waaaay to big, the longer the written SMS is. Maybe limit the horizontal width.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/QMSq50Bu.png
 @Jo_Led, Please open an issue in github against ubuntu-ui-toolkit
 no need to post lots of images in here
 @Jo_Led, 🙈🙈🙈
 @Jo_Led, yeah this is happening regularly to me this week where gruop membship is changing to random numbers...
 @Jo_Led, who said these are too big?  This is prototype for Ubuntu for Seniors
 @dohbee, Sorry, monday evening after a long day. Thought I would just drop this here since it just happened to me after a long SMS and I was like "what the duck"?. Too lazy atm to open an issue at github :S
 @wayneoutthere, who said seniors need larger buttons?!
 @dohbee, what the fox.
 @dohbee, they just need larger phones 😆
 @Flohack, nah, seems the kids want those
 bring back the 12mm thick phones with small screens
 take the concept of point-and-shoot cameras and apply that design to smartphones and we have a winner
 @wayneoutthere, i have a phone that's pretty much exactly that
 nokia n81 i think it was
 i have the e71 behind me right now.  It's pretty awesome but... yeah.  really hard to go back. but... with convergence everything becmes possible again
 imagine a nice old bar phone: sturdy, feature-less, simple.  fits easily in your jean back pocket (I loved that).  NOw, you dock it at the big computer screen with bluetooth and boom.  laptop experienc.e  yeah baby.  yeah.  that's what I'm talking about
 the only question remaining is: how much screen do we need in our pocket?
 4.6" and lots of pixels
 I know we aren't allowed to agree publicly  but I agree with you on that.
 width?
 this N5 is 2.5" wide but I feel it's too wide for my hand when i'm one-handing
 I use a 5.7" phone on a daily basis but it doesn't bother me *shrug*
 @Tomas, It is very nice. Just depends on the price
 @wayneoutthere, iPhone 4s or such is about perfect size
 Going to say I agree again
 🙀🙀🙀🙀
 2 times!!! in a day??
 yeah the iPhone 4 was a comfy phone in the hand
 the Nokia N9 too, all memes aside
 @malditobastardo, i know. i know.. it's frustrating.
 @Lyokanthrope, No memes
 Only bless
 @dohbee, I think its Ubuntu.Components 1.2 … I'm not sure but it looks like it...