[00:57] <donofrio_> How would I heal my ssh keys?  https://apaste.info/yjmF right now I cannot ssh to localhost ;(
[00:59] <donofrio_> its 1804 install
[05:45] <donofrio> anyone know how I can get add-repo working I keep getting this gpg message - https://apaste.info/yb2I
[08:35] <hokoplo> hi gals and guys, when can we expect to have an iso of 18.04 with gnome 3.28? I'd like to install the 'beta', but only after 3.28 lands to avoid any breakage.
[12:03] <enyc> TJ-: thankyou for help on ubuntu-bugs last week =)
[12:04] <enyc> TJ-: is it just-me, or can you also 'not' find a bug relating to grub2... some suggestions Grub2 in Xenial won't be able to load/boot systems from ext4 w/"64bit+metadata_csum"  (again, a dualbooting headache as you rightly mentioned...).
[12:05] <enyc> i may be searching poolsy... realizing also, it 'depends' sometimes isue is 64bit, sometimes issue is metadata_csum ;p
[12:13] <TJ-> enyc: that'd make sense, I've not seen GRUB support for such features
[12:20] <TJ-> enyc: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866603
[12:34] <enyc> TJ-: thats the _cseed feature
[12:35] <enyc> TJ-: im suspecting the problem so far as grub2 is concerned, is with '64bit' feature
[12:36] <enyc> metadata checksums don't need to be read for  grub2s' simple readonly access
[12:59] <akik> i install kubuntu 18.04 beta 1 and it didn't ask anything about the data collection. did i miss it somehow?
[12:59] <TJ-> enyc: right; but that's only reference I could find in the grub-devel relating to any of these feature issues
[12:59] <TJ-> akik: possibly Kubuntu doesn't do any?
[13:00] <akik> TJ-: why wouldn't it? it's an official flavor
[13:01] <akik> popularity-contest is installed but not enabled
[13:02] <TJ-> akik: because as I recall the Kubuntu installer is done separately to the vanilla ubiquity. I'm not even sure the patches have landed in ubiquity as yet
[13:02] <akik> oh boy fragmentation++
[13:02] <TJ-> I'd have thought if the functionality was shipping then the web-site would have been refreshed/fixed
[13:07] <akik> yea the popcon site is still at 2016 status
[13:10] <CoJaBo> Is there anything special I have to do to configure netplan to use a static IPv6 address? E.g., adding addresses: ['fd00::99/64']  adds that address, I can ping it from the system, but not from any other device on the network; what part am I missing?
[13:14] <TJ-> CoJaBo: are those devices configured to route the ULA prefix?
[13:22] <CoJaBo> TJ-: That's probably what I'm nmissing, but I can't figure out where to set that
[13:22] <TJ-> CoJaBo: well, either each device, or the gateway router since presumably the other clients will send those packets to their default route 
[13:23] <CoJaBo> Is there a guide to that lol
[13:26] <TJ-> CoJaBo: it's just a standard additional (static) route. On a linux host it'd be "ip -6 route add fd00::/8 dev XXXX" - not sure how your gateway/router requires that setting permanently
[13:29] <CoJaBo> TJ-: So it's not something i can set thru netplan?
[13:30] <TJ-> CoJaBo: depends on what your gateway/router is, does it use netplan?
[13:30] <CoJaBo> TJ-: I'm not sure the router supports that option at all; it's a RT-AC3200
[13:31] <TJ-> CoJaBo: access it's admin interface, look for an option to 1) view the (IPv6) routing table and 2) set a static (IPv6) route
[13:32] <CoJaBo> The IPv6 page is pretty.. bare
[13:33] <CoJaBo> TJ-: Actually, I can ssh in; it was just disabled. But I'm not sure what it's running to make that option persistant :/
[13:34] <TJ-> CoJaBo: right, generally persistent settings have to be added via a HTML interface
[13:34] <CoJaBo> so is it not possible then? :/
[13:35] <TJ-> CoJaBo: like I said it depends on the device
[13:36] <CoJaBo> Which does not support that, as far as I can tell
[13:36] <CoJaBo> Is there another way, or should I just stick to ipv4 till ipv6 is widely supported lol
[13:38] <TJ-> CoJaBo: does the interface look like this? https://fatmintech.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/static_routes_asus_rt-ac66u.jpeg
[13:38] <CoJaBo> Yep
[13:39] <TJ-> CoJaBo: try entering an IPv6 format route
[13:39] <CoJaBo> The corresponding tab under ipv6 tho, just isn't there
[13:40] <CoJaBo> It doesn't accept anything but ipv4 there
[13:48] <CoJaBo> TJ-: any other ways, or is only ipv4 going to be possible still?
[13:53] <TJ-> If you've got ssh access try adding it manually, see if that at least works
[13:57] <CoJaBo> TJ-: even if it does, it'll be flaky because there's no way to restore it without manual intervention
[13:58] <TJ-> CoJaBo: correct, but it depends how often the router is rebooted. Mine goes for months between that
[13:59] <CoJaBo> And if that happens when I'm not here, it'd take out half the network with no way to fix it remotely
[13:59] <CoJaBo> I guess this shouldn't surprise me; I only got IPv6 on WAN a few months back, so there's not been much reason for even brand-new routers to suppport it out of the box :/
[14:00] <TJ-> CoJaBo: have you checked the router's current IPv6 routing table? It might have entries already
[14:00] <CoJaBo> It does. The interface even lets you view them. There's just no way to edit them.
[14:01] <TJ-> CoJaBo: does it have any related to the ULA prefixes fc00::/7 or fd00:/8 - can you pastebin the table?
[14:02] <Faux> Ooh, comedy central: Starting Chrome with --no-sandbox (i.e. screw security) fixes the horrible latency (1+s of no audio or mouse movement) I'm getting on Google Maps, due to the newer nvidia driver.
[14:02] <CoJaBo> Just fe80::/64 and ff00::/8
[14:27] <enyc> TJ-: hrrm, it amy just need some testing in practice
[14:27] <enyc> TJ-: thankyou for suggestion grub-devel...  what about looking for 64bit ext4 in grub-devel etc.?
[15:55] <BLZbubba_> good morning, is it possible to use an MTU of 9000 with Ubuntu 18.04 and Netplan?  It seems to be totally broken
[15:55] <BLZbubba_> i.e. silently ignoring the option.  it shows up in the link section of the .network files but ethtool says 1500
[15:58] <donofrio> BLZbubba_, why would you want to (are you using satellite linkup's?)
[16:00] <BLZbubba_> it is quite a commonly used option, especially for storage protocols like iscsi
[16:01] <donofrio> ah ic
[16:02] <TJ-> BLZbubba_: the interface is statically defined, no DHCP involved?
[16:13] <BLZbubba_> TJ-: it is dhcp
[16:20] <BLZbubba_> well it is on a bridge, so the real nic doesn't do dhcp, but the bridge does.  both are set to mtu 9000 but both end up at 1500
[16:24] <BLZbubba_> i saw that someone was able to make it work with mac address matching, so i'm trying that next
[16:25] <BLZbubba_> that would be painful though, i have a lot of vms that need 9000 too, but way better than not working at all
[16:26] <BLZbubba_> it worked!
[16:27] <BLZbubba_> so i'll bet that disabling the interface renaming and leaving it as eth0 would also work
[16:42] <BLZbubba_> confirmed, I also was able to fix it by adding this to the kernel: net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0
[16:44] <BLZbubba_> whoever chose the term "predictible naming" for ens2, enps0f0d1 etc etc gets the award for most ironic jargon of all time
[16:46] <TJ-> it's related to the physical location of the device and/or the hardware MAC address, rather than the order the kernel discovers the interface
[16:53] <akik> BLZbubba_: what does biosdevname=0 do?
[16:53] <BLZbubba_> yeah i know, it is just overkill on systems with one nic, e.g. vms
[16:53] <BLZbubba_> akik: to be honest i just cut & pasted it from someone else who had this problem.  i haven't seen that option before
[16:53] <akik> BLZbubba_: ok it's not needed
[16:57] <BLZbubba_> akik: confirmed, thanks for the hot tip
[17:50] <CoJaBo> Ok, I think this one might be a bug [255369.707228] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000040
[18:18] <yaskina> anyone here
[18:18] <yaskina> for support
[18:20] <yaskina> 18.04 works when i try it, but when install it, it starts to boot then stops on my acer netbook anyone know why
[18:20] <ikonia> "stops"
[18:20] <ikonia> you need to be able to clear define the problem and do basic troubleshooting if you expect to use a pre-release
[18:20] <tgm4883> ikonia: +1
[18:21] <yaskina> it says holding here waiting for boot to finish
[18:21] <TJ-> yaskina: As soon as you mentioned Acer I think 'firmware bug' :)
[18:21] <TJ-> yaskina: how long have you waited?
[18:21] <ikonia> it actually says the words "holding here, waiting for boot to finish"
[18:21] <ikonia> those words are on screen 
[18:21] <yaskina> waited along time
[18:22] <yaskina> tried installing 3 times
[18:22] <tgm4883> 'a long'
[18:22] <yaskina> 16 works fine, but missing the good stuff
[18:22] <ikonia> it actually says the words "holding here, waiting for boot to finish"
[18:22] <ikonia> is that right ?
[18:22] <TJ-> yaskina: can you take a photo of the screen and show us?
[18:22] <yaskina> something like that 
[18:23] <ikonia> "something like that" is not accetpble
[18:23] <ikonia> we need the real error message
[18:23] <yaskina> i can't 16 is installed right now
[18:23] <ikonia> and a description of what has happened first
[18:24] <tgm4883> yaskina: so you came here looking for an answer without the ability to troubleshoot the issue?
[18:24] <yaskina> how do i get involved in the development of unbuntu, im a graphic artist and have the time to make unbuntu look better
[18:24] <ikonia> or even a real description of the problem
[18:24] <ikonia> yaskina: make it look better and demonstrate your work 
[18:25] <tgm4883> I mean, ikonia's good, but ikonia's not that good
[18:25] <ikonia> people will always welcome help
[18:25] <ikonia> ha ha, 
[18:25] <ikonia> too kind
[18:25] <yaskina> i don't know how to code
[18:25] <ikonia> you don't have to 
[18:25] <yaskina> well i do sorta
[18:25] <ikonia> you've just said you do graphics, so do graphics
[18:25] <yaskina> visual basic
[18:26]  * TJ- lends ikonia his telepathic bluetooth v5.2 NFC WiMax Wifi precognition
[18:26] <tgm4883> yaskina: probably https://community.ubuntu.com/t/contribute/26
[18:26] <ikonia> !getinvolved | yaskina 
[18:26] <yaskina> ok
[18:26] <yaskina> thanks
[18:27] <yaskina> what is the loading screen a gif or a jpg
[18:27] <TJ-> yaskina: SVG I think
[18:28] <yaskina> i think the colours and loading screen i can make nice, and the orange i don't like
[18:28] <yaskina> someone should add colour themes using triad colour combos
[18:28] <TJ-> yaskina: the Orange is a part of the Ubuntu colour scheme and logo https://design.ubuntu.com/brand/ubuntu-logo/
[18:29] <ikonia> is the colour scheme of ubuntu
[18:29] <yaskina> its awful
[18:29] <yaskina> sorry
[18:29] <ikonia> so you're not going to change that
[18:29] <ikonia> others like it
[18:29] <ikonia> but we are a bit offtopic for that discussion in this channel
[18:29] <yaskina> sorrry
[18:29] <ikonia> not a problem
[18:29] <yaskina> 18.04 im really impressed though
[18:30] <ikonia> that's great
[18:30] <yaskina> i would make the loading screen in blender using particle emiters and moving lights
[18:31] <TJ-> yaskina: so basically gobble up CPU when our focus is on minimising boot times
[18:31] <yaskina> something no one has done
[18:33] <yaskina> i think it could be done as animated gif
[18:33] <yaskina> should not hog the cpu
[18:34] <yaskina> Triad colour themes would be a nice addition
[18:35] <tgm4883> yaskina: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
[18:35] <yaskina> unbuntu has come along way
[18:36] <yaskina> im going to install it on all my families computers now
[18:36] <yaskina> seeing how i look after them
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> yaskina: keep in mind we at beta1 still at the moment
[18:37] <yaskina> true but it works great for me on my destop
[18:38] <yaskina> my dad only web surfs and spotify
[18:39] <yaskina> he can do it on linux instead win 10 spyware, malware, and bloat ware
[18:39] <yaskina> i came back to linux because the goverment is spying on me
[18:40] <yaskina> switching to protonmail.com for encrypted emails
[18:40] <tgm4883> yaskina: even though this is the +1 channel, it's still a support channel and shouldn't be used for soap boxing
[18:41] <yaskina> oh sorry 
[18:41] <yaskina> I was bored thought i would talk to you tell you what im up too
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-discuss
[18:42] <CoJaBo> Where do i report something like this: http://termbin.com/5hjk
[18:42] <CoJaBo> (kernel oops while unplugging an esata drive)
[18:42] <yaskina> maybe ill reinstall 18.04 and video it with my cel phone
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> !bug | CoJaBo 
[18:43] <yaskina> Opera wont install for me
[18:43] <yaskina> i hit install and it does not
[18:44] <yaskina> opera was also removed after an update, anyone know why
[18:45] <nacc> yaskina: opera is not packaged by ubuntu, afaik
[18:45] <yaskina> i know
[18:45] <tgm4883> yaskina: considering you're giving almost no information, no logs and using an unreleased version of ubuntu. I would have to guess you forced a partial update
[18:45] <nacc> yaskina: so ... not an ubuntu support topic
[18:46] <yaskina> yah ok
[18:46] <tgm4883> Not knowing what a partial update is another reason you should be using 16.04 or 17.10 and not a beta
[18:46] <yaskina> i love 18.04
[18:46] <yaskina> keep up the great work
[18:47] <yaskina> best linux distro yet
[18:47] <yaskina> 16.04 on my net book
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> yaskina: try to focus on support issues in this channel
[18:48] <yaskina> ok i will install 18.04 on my netbook and give you proper feedback
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: did you try other kernel?
[18:48] <CoJaBo> lotuspsychje: no
[18:49] <yaskina> i tried the other two was of loading still same prob
[18:50] <yaskina> i don't know how to change a kernal, i was into linux so long ago i have forgotten everything
[18:51] <yaskina> are you the guys coding 18.04
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> yaskina: that was not for you
[18:51] <tgm4883> !ot | yaskina 
[18:54] <yaskina> those other channels are dead
[18:55] <tgm4883> yaskina: 1) No they are not. I'm in them now and see people and discussion. 2) Even if they were, that doesn't make this the correct place for chat
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: found few bugs on eSata but nor very relevant and other ubuntu versions, id reccomend a new bug
[18:58] <CoJaBo> Launchpad seems to hate me at the moment
[18:58] <yaskina> oh yah i found a bug/problem too unbuntu does intall does not see raid 0 drives
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> CoJaBo: just make an account?
[18:59] <CoJaBo> "Invalid OpenID transaction"
[19:12] <KrimZon> my nvidia drivers have stopped working properly
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> KrimZon: on xorg or wayland
[19:13] <KrimZon> xorg most likely, but I'll check
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> KrimZon: check your drivers available with ubuntu-drivers list
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> KrimZon: perhaps also test nouveau on xorg?
[19:15] <KrimZon> when i booted it up this morning i was in 640x480 and the "Additional Drivers" dialog said that it was using nouveau
[19:15] <KrimZon> *this evening, rather
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> KrimZon: can youn recall wich nvidia driver version was working?
[19:16] <KrimZon> I tried switching to 390 with that dialog, which failed, then when I tried to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade it said dependencies were borked
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> KrimZon: did you add external ppa's?
[19:17] <KrimZon> I did "apt --fix-broken install" 
[19:18] <KrimZon> i can't remember - /etc/apt/sources.list is all ubuntu stuff, and the only thing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is steam.list and steam.list.save
[19:18] <KrimZon> fixing the broken packages has me with nvidia 390 but i'm missing libGL,so and libGL.so.1
[19:19] <KrimZon> that's where I'm up to
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | KrimZon fix your sources first
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> KrimZon: we reccomend help bugging out 18.04 with a vanilla daily
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[19:20] <KrimZon> thanks :)
[19:24] <KrimZon> oh I have some java PPAs to make minecraft 1.6.4 work
[19:27] <KrimZon> ppa-purge says it can't find the package list for any PPA that my .bash_history shows me installing
[19:29] <KrimZon> apt-get upgrade says a lot of packages have been kept back, and that lib32gcc1 and libc6-i386 can be auto-removed
[19:30] <yaskina> why can't i install opera, i had it installed, and a update removed it, i have tried two versions of opera and it will not install, it just does a quick 1 second install bar, and does nothing
[19:33] <yaskina> it worked before
[19:33] <yaskina> no it does not
[20:00] <yaskina> anyone here care to see a GUI desing i did for a media player, before media players were even a thing
[20:00] <yaskina> i invented the tab
[20:17] <nacc> yaskina: this is a supoprt channel, not for general chitchat
[20:18] <yaskina> i know
[20:18] <yaskina> but no one is talking
[20:19] <nacc> yaskina: so?
[20:19] <nacc> yaskina: that does not give you permission to chitchat
[20:19] <yaskina> why cant i install opera
[20:19] <yaskina> i asked no support
[20:20] <nacc> yaskina: you just talked about some GUI
[20:20] <yaskina> i asked before that
[20:20] <nacc> yaskina: you have provided *no* logs about opera
[20:20] <nacc> yaskina: and as you've been told, it's not an ubuntu package
[20:20] <nacc> yaskina: ask opera
[20:20] <yaskina> unbuntu update removed opera
[20:20] <nacc> yaskina: what 'update'? do you mean an upgrade?
[20:20] <yaskina> now it wont install at all
[20:20] <nacc> yaskina: and yes, that can happen
[20:21] <nacc> yaskina: as it's not an ubuntu package, and maybe depended on something no longer available
[20:21] <yaskina> hmmm
[20:21] <yaskina> ok that suck
[20:21] <nacc> yaskina: and if it fails to install, then you need to contact opera
[20:21] <yaskina> Opera is the best with the free and fast VPN
[20:21] <nacc> yaskina: that is an opinion. please stick to support topics.
[20:21] <yaskina> and turbo mode
[20:24] <yaskina> could unbuntu 17 and 18 not be installing on my net book becasuse its only a 1.6 quad core and not 2ghz as spec
[20:27] <yaskina> see no support reply
[20:28] <nacc> yaskina: i don't believe you need a specific speed cpu (among modern cpus) to install ubuntu
[20:28] <nacc> 16.04 required 700MHz
[20:30] <yaskina> yes but i want to run 18 on my netbook, works fine in try unbuntu but install boot freezes, im going to get them the data on video so they can see what happens
[20:30] <nacc> yaskina: my point was the cpu frequency is fine
[20:30] <nacc> yaskina: although i don't know what 'spec' you are referring to when you said 'as spec'
[20:30] <yaskina> kewl
[20:31] <yaskina> 16 works fine on my netbook
[20:31] <nacc> yaskina: also, 16.04 please, '16' is not a version
[20:31] <yaskina> sorry
[20:32] <yaskina> just tried installing Opera on 16.04 and it does not work anymore either, looks like some nerfed Opera from installing
[20:33] <nacc> yaskina: while good to know, still offtopic :)
[20:33] <yaskina> im on 18.04 here
[20:33] <yaskina> same prob
[20:33] <yaskina> no one knows they blame Opera
[20:34] <yaskina> but unbuntu removed it
[20:36] <yaskina> I need the security of Opera's free and fast VPN because im being spyed on 24/7
[20:40] <nacc> yaskina: you are not listening.
[20:41] <nacc> yaskina: opera is not an ubuntu software
[20:41] <nacc> yaskina: you had a 3rd party repository
[20:41] <marathone> **don't feed the troll**
[20:41] <nacc> marathone: touche :)
[20:41] <yaskina> im not a troll im here to learn and help in anyway i can
[20:43] <yaskina> im going to install 18.04 just so these guys can see whats happening
[20:45] <yaskina> I just made a call to a BFF who heads up the IT department for a large school board, i told him to check out 17.10 unbuntu has finally nailed it you can use it in your schools now
[20:48] <yaskina> 16.04 sucks 17.10 and 18.04 rock, keep up the good work guys
[20:51] <yaskina> installing 18.04 on my netbook to get you guys the info you need
[20:52] <tsimonq2> *Ubuntu
[20:52] <tsimonq2> :)
[20:52] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
[20:52] <yaskina> ill shoot video of it starting up
[20:52] <yaskina> and hanging
[20:53] <yaskina> 480p should be good enough
[20:54] <yaskina> id shoot it in 4k but my upload would be insane
[20:56] <yaskina> should i install updates and thrid party or not
[20:57] <yaskina> going to do min install see if that works
[20:59] <yaskina> another bug/problem unbuntu does not see raid setups
[21:00] <yaskina> Copying files
[21:05] <nacc> yaskina: what do you mean by 'raid setups'?
[21:05] <nacc> yaskina: yes it does, btw, so you need to be more specific
[21:05] <nacc> yaskina: please don't abstract from your one experience to all users
[21:07] <yaskina> i tried to install unbuntu with a raid 1.7tb with win10 and 163gig for unbuntu 18.04 it would not see the drive at all as it was a raid
[21:07] <yaskina> raid 0
[21:07] <nacc> yaskina: do you mean hardware raid?
[21:07] <yaskina> yes
[21:07] <nacc> yaskina: is it actually hardware raid? or is it an embedded controller (bios raid, aka fakeraid)
[21:08] <yaskina> ok embedded
[21:08] <nacc> yaskina: 1) those things tend to make things worse (performance wise) and 2) what controller?
[21:08] <yaskina> sorry i thought there was a controller on the board
[21:09] <yaskina> i would have to reboot to see what it is
[21:10] <nacc> yaskina: ok
[21:10] <yaskina> no my 2x1tb raid 0 was twice as fast 
[21:10] <nacc> yaskina: does ubuntu even see the controller?
[21:10] <yaskina> nope
[21:10] <nacc> yaskina: then that's the issue, is it supported in linux?
[21:10] <nacc> yaskina: what did you compare it to?
[21:11] <nacc> yaskina: i was saying performance relative to swraid, etc.
[21:11] <yaskina> guess not, it works when i load raid drivers on HIRENS BOOT CD FOR LINUX
[21:11] <yaskina> works with clonezilla live cd
[21:11] <nacc> yaskina: i don't know what that is, or why it's all in caps
[21:12] <yaskina> look up HIREN"S its a everything disc
[21:12] <nacc> yaskina: no thank you
[21:12] <yaskina> cd or DVD every tech should have it
[21:12] <yaskina> has everyting
[21:12] <flocculant> will you please just talk about issues 
[21:12] <yaskina> i was
[21:13] <flocculant> and NOT your preferences :(
[21:13] <yaskina> ok just trying to be helpful cause you said you did not know what it was
[21:13] <flocculant> obviously I didn't
[21:13] <nacc> yaskina: in any case, it's impossible to know if your hardware is *meant* to work, if we don't know what the hardware is
[21:13] <yaskina> clonezilla sees the raid
[21:13] <nacc> yaskina: no, i said that
[21:13] <nacc> flocculant != nacc
[21:14] <flocculant> :D
[21:15] <nacc> yaskina: clonezilla in ubuntu?
[21:15] <yaskina> btw thanks for being understanding 18.04 almost installed will be making video soon, btw my name is Jason Newmarket Ontario Canada pleasure to meet you all
[21:16] <yaskina> Clonezilla is a linux live cd to clone partitions
[21:16] <nacc> yaskina: right, so that's also not relevant to whether ubuntu supports it or not
[21:17] <yaskina> true i was just saying others support it, so unbuntu should be able too also
[21:18] <yaskina> making video
[21:20] <yaskina> is there any buttons to push to see the code
[21:20] <yaskina> instead of the logo
[21:21] <flocculant> see the code?
[21:21] <flocculant> what do you mean?
[21:21] <yaskina> like verbose
[21:22] <yaskina> the scripts running
[21:22] <yaskina> sorry i talk mac pc and some linux
[21:23] <flocculant> when? 
[21:24] <flocculant> you've really got to give people detail - and stop using the enter key as punctuation - people are capable of reading sentences ...
[21:25] <flocculant> if you mean during boot - try esc
[21:26] <yaskina> sorry about that, Im an english failure because my mom put me in all french for 3 years, i rejected it and my english grammar sucks
[21:27] <yaskina> trying to take a photo of the screen
[21:33] <yaskina> goto photo of where it hangs
[21:34] <yaskina> Gnome Display Manager, Dispatcher service
[21:35] <yaskina> when the verbose mode shows everything is marked with the green [ ok]
[21:36] <yaskina> loading windows to upload to flicker
[21:42] <yaskina> uploading boot video and verbose screen hang
[21:44] <yaskina> going to take about 40 mins my upload is like super slow, but im getting 30 down 5 up next month sorry about the wait
[21:46] <yaskina> anyone from support still here
[21:47] <yaskina> i have a acer netbook aspire one d270 1.6 quad core 4 gigs of ram 256 ssd FYI
[21:48] <tsimonq2> ;win 10
[21:48] <tsimonq2> Whoops
[21:48] <yaskina> intel Atom chipset and intel 3600 graphics
[21:50] <nacc> yaskina: you understood we are all volunteers in this channel?
[21:50] <yaskina> no
[21:51] <nacc> yaskina: ok, well now you do :)
[21:51] <yaskina> ok kewl
[21:51] <nacc> yaskina: did you think you were getting paid support?
[21:53] <yaskina> https://flic.kr/p/22ndgLC
[21:53] <yaskina> thats where it hangs
[21:54] <nacc> yaskina: is it a VM? or is that the actual machine's cursor?
[21:54] <yaskina> its not a virtual machine
[21:55] <yaskina> i have a bot load video too
[21:56] <nacc> yaskina: so i had a similar symptom (cursor showed up but nothing else); do your cpu fans kick in?
[21:56] <yaskina> can hear my fans
[21:57] <yaskina> can't hear my fans
[21:57] <tsimonq2> Which one is it? :)
[22:00] <yaskina> well i did my best to give you guys what you need on where it hangs, want to see my cryptice etched guitar or hand made fishing lures well im on flickr
[22:02] <yaskina> https://flic.kr/p/fhgtyk Warning off topic custom guitar i made
[22:03] <nacc> yaskina: do you understand what ontopic is or is not?
[22:03] <nacc> yaskina: please stop posting totally offtopic things
[22:04] <yaskina> i just spent an hour trying to help you
[22:04] <nacc> yaskina: help?
[22:04] <nacc> yaskina: I don't personally need your help?
[22:05] <yaskina> you guys all siad you needed more info on the hang so i reinstalled 18.04 and took photo, i just thought i would share with  a warning thought you might like to see my art work seeing how im going to try to redo the loading screen with something out of this world
[22:06] <nacc> yaskina: no, we don't carea bout that.
[22:06] <nacc> yaskina: please pay attention. This is a support channel, for support discussion only.
[22:06] <yaskina> ok
[22:06] <yaskina> so what do you think the prob is
[22:06] <yaskina> it says everything ok
[22:06] <yaskina> but hangs
[22:07] <nacc> yaskina: when did you make your bionic USB?
[22:07] <yaskina> try it works fine
[22:07] <yaskina> just now
[22:07] <yaskina> today
[22:07] <nacc> yaskina: hrm, I don't know what the issue is
[22:07] <yaskina> ok
[22:07] <yaskina> i tried
[22:08] <yaskina> your the only one here
[22:09] <yaskina> maybe its hanging on the next thing that is to load, but never gets to print to screen
[22:10] <yaskina> like i siad before works fine it you just try 18.04
[22:14] <yaskina> maybe its my Atom processor
[22:21] <soc> hi
[22:21] <soc> I can't log into my graphical system anymore since a few days
[22:22] <soc> anyone knows whether this issue is known already?
[22:22] <Faux> There were issues with the nvidia driver a week ago, but they've been mostly fixed now.
[22:22] <Faux> (At least as far as "getting to desktop" is concerned.)
[22:22] <soc> here is the .xsession-errors log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v2n5vNzCKk/
[22:22] <soc> lot's of errors, but I can't sort out what's the root cause
[22:23] <soc> Faux: I'm using the nouveau ones
[22:23] <akik> soc: please describe your setup as it's custom
[22:23] <Faux> Oh dear.
[22:23] <soc> .pam_environment: ICEAUTHORITY DEFAULT=${XDG_RUNTIME_DIR}/ICEauthority
[22:23] <soc> I also had a line for XAUTHORITY in there, but I removed it and it didn't change anything
[22:28] <soc> any suggestions what I could try to figure out the cause of this issue?
[22:29] <yaskina> whats the terminal commands to change your swap setting in 18.01
[22:29] <yaskina> *18.04
[22:30] <soc> could this be an issue with xfce4-settings?
[22:30] <soc> or gtk?
[22:30] <soc> If I use GDM, I get to the login screen
[22:30] <soc> with LightDM I don't even get that
[22:30] <soc> so things are failing at a different step
[22:33] <soc> I think what's interesting is this line: dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XAUTHORITY=/var/run/lightdm/soc/xauthority 
[22:33] <soc> something changed here
[22:52] <soc> weird, it works now, changed login app from gdm3 to lightdm and now it works
[22:53] <soc> but a few files random files are owned by root, looks a lot like after something has logged as root, but with my $HOME
[23:08] <soc> as there where some questions on whether the read-only $HOME was the culprit in this case, here is the guide I wrote a while ago on making $HOME read-only: https://soc.github.io/articles/linux/self-defense-against-dotfiles.html
[23:09] <soc> in general, it would be great if more people made their $HOME read-only, so that the remaining applications that violate platform standards are more motivated to fix their code
[23:19] <akik> soc: you are talking against ubuntu's "standard"
[23:19] <soc> what standard?
[23:19] <akik> soc: ubuntu doesn't chmod 200 $HOME
[23:20] <soc> sure. would certainly be nice if it did. then it would probably take a week until application authors fixed their code, and no one would ever have to worry about this again
[23:21] <akik> soc: this thing is a problem for you, not for the majority of users
[23:21] <soc> currently it's just fixing applications one-by-one and hoping things get fixed faster than new apps ignoring the standard appear
[23:21] <soc> akik: I think many people would like to be able to easily backup their configuration, or blow away the cache
[23:22] <akik> soc: there are configuration management tools for that
[23:24] <soc> which ones?
[23:25] <soc> I'd rather just do cp .config X and be done
[23:25] <akik> for example ansible
[23:28] <soc> I'm not interested in writing more config files to configure the configuration management of my config files :-)
[23:29] <soc> there is a config directory that works perfectly fine, people just need to use it.