[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <rbasak> o/
[15:02] <micahg> o/
[15:02] <sil2100> I heard something about daylight saving time in the US again, so I assume it might get things a bit complicated
[15:03] <nacc> sil2100: yeah, we sprang forward an hour this weekend
[15:05] <bdmurray> o/
[15:05] <sil2100> #startmeeting DMB
[15:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 12 15:05:19 2018 UTC.  The chair is sil2100. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:05] <sil2100> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:05] <bdmurray> There was that one about mapreri which was done.
[15:06] <sil2100> Ok
[15:06] <sil2100> I don't think we had anything else from the previous meeting?
[15:06] <sil2100> I didn't see anything
[15:06] <sil2100> (I cleaned up the agenda already)
[15:07] <sil2100> So, we basically don't have anything really on our agenda, there's the still-standing application of Simon for Qt uploaders
[15:07] <sil2100> Do we want to handle it today, or should we continue through e-mail?
[15:07] <sil2100> If by e-mail, I would say we should start asking questions and move on to voting this week
[15:08] <sil2100> Not sure if tsimonq2 is even around to answer our questions here (if we decide to do it of course)
[15:08] <bdmurray> He's updated his wiki page correct?
[15:08] <rbasak> Yes - I can see what he has been sponsored for clearly now.
[15:09] <sil2100> Yes, that is my understanding
[15:09] <rbasak> If he's here, I'm happy to proceed in this meeting.
[15:09] <tsimonq2> Barely. ;)
[15:09] <tsimonq2> Ask questions if you have them but reception isn't good here.
[15:10] <sil2100> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[15:10] <sil2100> #subtopic Qt Uploaders for tsimonq2
[15:11] <sil2100> The application, as a reminider: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsimonq2/Applications/Qt5Uploader
[15:11] <sil2100> Questions?
[15:14] <rbasak> I have none. I'm ready to vote.
[15:14] <bdmurray> I'm still looking at the updated app.
[15:14]  * sil2100 needs to go AFK for 5 mins
[15:18] <tsimonq2> I need to go without a phone for ~ an hour starting in ~ 5 mins. Then it's my lunch hour, so I can answer questions over IRC if there any at that time.
[15:19] <sil2100> Back
[15:21] <bdmurray> I'm ready
[15:21] <cyphermox> ready to vote as well
[15:21] <sil2100> Ok
[15:21] <sil2100> micahg: you good to vote as well?
[15:22] <micahg> sure
[15:22] <tsimonq2> Ahh, just when I need to go AFK. Sorry :(
[15:22] <tsimonq2> ttfn
[15:22] <sil2100> #vote Grant Qt Uploader PPU access to tsimonq2
[15:22] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant Qt Uploader PPU access to tsimonq2
[15:22] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:23] <rbasak> +1
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[15:23] <rbasak> (now that I understand the application :-)
[15:23] <sil2100> +1 (I have seen some of the work of Simon's on Qt transitions through Bileto and was happy with what was going on)
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 (I have seen some of the work of Simon's on Qt transitions through Bileto and was happy with what was going on) received from sil2100
[15:24] <bdmurray> +1
[15:24] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[15:24] <micahg> +1
[15:24] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[15:25] <cyphermox> +1
[15:25] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:25] <sil2100> #endvote
[15:25] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant Qt Uploader PPU access to tsimonq2
[15:25] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:25] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:25] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: congrats
[15:25] <sil2100> tsimonq2: congratulations!
[15:25] <sil2100> Making someone click a button in Bileto seems like not a big deal, but that also doesn't mean someone shouldn't get upload rights for the packages he/she is working on
[15:26] <sil2100> I'll add tsimonq2 to the right team in that case
[15:27] <sil2100> #action sil2100 to add tsimonq2 to the Ubuntu Qt5 Uploaders team
[15:27] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to add tsimonq2 to the Ubuntu Qt5 Uploaders team
[15:27] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[15:27] <rbasak> I see an email to devel-permission@ from darkxst.
[15:27] <rbasak> I think cyphermox was going to look into that?
[15:27] <rbasak> I don't see any other ML activity needing action; that's the only one.
[15:28] <sil2100> cyphermox: are you working on that?
[15:28]  * sil2100 can't seem to find that e-mail
[15:28] <jbicha> the desktop-extra seed is poorly defined. I wonder if we should just encourage darkxst to apply for MOTU?
[15:28] <rbasak> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:59:36 +1100
[15:28] <rbasak> Subject: Loosing upload rights to some GNOME components
[15:29] <jbicha> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/bionic/desktop-extra
[15:29] <micahg> shouldn't desktop-extra seed the packages in SUPPORTED that they want to maintain?
[15:30] <jbicha> we could try using the supported seed in ubuntu-gnome-meta and then kill desktop-extra
[15:31] <cyphermox> rbasak: there is extra work needed, as mentioned by jbicha
[15:31] <micahg> well, IIRC, desktop-extra was to give upload rights to ubuntu-desktop folks so they could also upload universe GNOME packages, if we wanted to extend ubuntu-gnome rights to them (or already are?) then there would be no need for the duplicate
[15:32] <jbicha> it looks like ubuntu-desktop is already a member of ubuntu-gnome
[15:32] <cyphermox> I think it will require a bit more investigation to figure out exactly what the best way to fix this is
[15:33] <cyphermox> especially given that tasksel needs a task to deal with too if you're indeed supposed to be able to install vanilla separately.
[15:34] <rbasak> Does darkxst know the reason for the delay?
[15:35] <jbicha> I chatted with him then. His list isn't complete and there was the desktop-extra question
[15:35] <jbicha> let's follow up on the list then?
[15:35] <rbasak> Please
[15:38] <jbicha> ok, I'm replying there. End of meeting?
[15:39] <sil2100> What about the budgie packageset?
[15:40] <sil2100> Did that get solved?
[15:40] <jbicha> sil2100: yes: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/bionic/ubuntu-budgie
[15:41] <sil2100> Excellent! I missed that completely
[15:41] <sil2100> Should we reach out to fossfreedom to move him to the packageset uploaders?
[15:42] <rbasak> Have we voted to make him an uploader of the packageset specifically?
[15:42] <jbicha> sil2100: we said before that we'd need to have a separate vote for that :(
[15:42] <cyphermox> that's the process
[15:42] <rbasak> IIRC some board members had doubts about the whole packageset, but were OK with a subset.
[15:42] <jbicha> micahg: sorry, I was looking at the wrong page. ubuntu-desktop doesn't have upload rights for ubuntugnome but I don't object to that happening
[15:43] <rbasak> Unless I'm thinking of some other case.
[15:43] <rbasak> But if so, then it's exactly what we wanted, rather than an unfortunate consequence of the process.
[15:43] <sil2100> Separate vote is fine
[15:44] <cyphermox> well, it's only an issue in the process because this is specifically a packageset made from a seed
[15:44] <cyphermox> so there's some variation in what might be in the seed, leading to someone applying having more generic upload rights than if it was a packageset for just some tighly-defined set of packages
[15:45] <cyphermox> ie. budgie is not "qt5 only", it's anything that is needed for budgie minus what's in some other seeds such that it lands in core.
[15:46] <sil2100> I would have to compare the packageset and what PPU rights were actually given
[15:46] <cyphermox> maybe we can be nice to fossfreedom and start voting on an hypothetical application against the packageset as it is now?
[15:46] <cyphermox> (on the ML I mean)
[15:47] <sil2100> I wouldn't mind, seems a bit informal but sounds ok
[15:47] <sil2100> cyphermox: would you maybe send out an e-mail to the ML about this?
[15:47] <cyphermox> well, if we're to think it's not ready yet, then we can tell him what we expect.
[15:48] <sil2100> Ok, let's maybe finish the meeting
[15:48] <rbasak> Does anyone have a link to his original application handy? I'd like to see the original endorsements etc.
[15:48]  * sil2100 needs to AFK for some minutes again
[15:48] <sil2100> o/
[15:48] <sil2100> (you can continue here though!)
[15:48] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 12 15:48:48 2018 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-03-12-15.05.moin.txt
[15:51] <jbicha> rbasak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/fossfreedom/UbuntuBudgieDevApplication
[15:51] <rbasak> Thanks!
[15:51] <jbicha> rbasak: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/fossfreedom/budgie-extrasPPUApplication (which copies the previous endorsements and adds Simon)
[16:21] <tsimonq2> \o/
[16:21] <tsimonq2> Thank you sil2100 rbasak et. al!
[19:54] <kokoye2007> Hi
[19:58] <kyrofa> Hey there :)
[20:01] <kokoye2007> Nice to meet ya again
[20:05] <kyrofa> Letozaf_, kenvandine you two around?
[20:05] <kyrofa> Sounds like we're operating under capacity today
[20:05] <kenvandine> hey
[20:05] <kenvandine> i'm here ;)
[20:05] <kenvandine> just trying to get caught up, still recovering from jet lag
[20:06] <kyrofa> Haha, yeah I bet
[20:06] <Letozaf_> here I am :)
[20:08] <kyrofa> So there are only three of us today, but as long as we're unanimous we still represent the majority of the council
[20:08] <kenvandine> so that's a good question, you have a good point about if we are unanimous we are the majority
[20:08] <kenvandine> but
[20:08] <kenvandine> having more input is good
[20:08] <kyrofa> Of course
[20:08] <kenvandine> so the questions raised by others could be good
[20:10] <kyrofa> Are you saying you'd like to wait until the others are available? Note that we have kokoye2007 from myanmar here today
[20:10] <kenvandine> ok, maybe we should just go for it
[20:10] <kyrofa> Seems a tad unfair to push dates around because some of the council can't make it unless we can give a pretty decent heads up to folks on the agenda
[20:10] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:10] <kenvandine> agreed
[20:10] <kenvandine> and if we have representation here from the loco, we should make our best effort
[20:11] <kyrofa> Letozaf_, agreed?
[20:11] <Letozaf_> yes agreed
[20:11] <kyrofa> Excellent. kenvandine, feel like imposing your will on the bot today?
[20:11] <kenvandine> yes
[20:11] <kenvandine> let me find my notes, 2 minutes
[20:11] <kyrofa> Sure thing
[20:12] <kenvandine> #startmeeting LoCoCouncil 2018-03-12
[20:12] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 12 20:12:37 2018 UTC.  The chair is kenvandine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:12] <kenvandine> roll call
[20:13] <kenvandine> let's note that gsilvapt and nhaines are not able to make the meeting this week
[20:13] <kenvandine> council members please wave to record attendance
[20:13]  * kyrofa waves
[20:13]  * kenvandine waves
[20:13] <Letozaf_> carla waves
[20:13] <Letozaf_> he he sorry...
[20:14] <kenvandine> #topic MyanmarTeam
[20:14] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MyanmarTeam/VerificationApplication2018
[20:14] <kenvandine> kokoye2007, you are here to represent Myanmar?
[20:16] <kyrofa> Uh oh :P
[20:16] <thohi> me and kokoye here
[20:16] <kyrofa> Hey there thohi
[20:16] <Letozaf_> o/
[20:16] <thohi> Hi
[20:16] <kyrofa> Things seem much improved in the application this time around, thank you for updating it
[20:16] <thohi> Thanks
[20:17] <kyrofa> thohi, it claims your home page is ubuntu-mm.net, but that's a 404. Are you aware of this?
[20:17] <kokoye2007>  == You are banned from this server- You have a host listed in the DroneBL. For more information, visit http://dronebl.org/lookup?ip=121.54.164.11  Please contact proxyscan@freenode.net with questions. (2018/3/12 20.14) [02:44] == ERROR: Closing Link: ubuntu/member/kokoye2007 (K-Lined) [02:44] == Disconnected from server: Connection to IRC server lost.
[20:17] <kokoye2007> :3
[20:17] <kokoye2007> sorry for dc
[20:17] <kokoye2007> our ip is blacklist again
[20:18] <kyrofa> Ouch
[20:18] <thohi> still Ok from local
[20:18] <kenvandine> 4 events already this year, that's great
[20:19] <kyrofa> And 2017 very nicely filled in
[20:19] <kokoye2007> sir @kenvandine
[20:20] <kokoye2007> 5 event ;)
[20:20] <kokoye2007> 2 Meeting
[20:20] <kokoye2007> i just add
[20:20] <kyrofa> My only comment is the 404 homepage. I really have no questions, things look good from my perspective
[20:21] <kokoye2007> opps
[20:21] <kokoye2007> i upgrade SSL
[20:21] <kenvandine> ah
[20:21] <kenvandine> https works :)
[20:21] <kyrofa> Well, without the www
[20:22] <kyrofa> Make the link https://ubuntu-mm.net and you're good
[20:22] <kyrofa> Otherwise you'll need to add www to the cert
[20:23] <kokoye2007> thanks
[20:23] <kenvandine> anyone else have questions for kokoye2007 or thohi?
[20:23] <kokoye2007> i forget www to ssl redir
[20:23] <kyrofa> No more questions from me
[20:23] <Letozaf_> I have no questions
[20:23] <kenvandine> #vote MyanmarTeam re-verification
[20:23] <meetingology> Please vote on: MyanmarTeam re-verification
[20:23] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:23] <kenvandine> #voters Letozaf_ kenvandine kyrofa
[20:23] <meetingology> Current voters: Letozaf_ kenvandine kyrofa
[20:23] <kenvandine> #votesrequired 3
[20:23] <meetingology> votes now need 3 to be passed
[20:23] <kenvandine> +1
[20:23] <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
[20:23] <Letozaf_> +1
[20:23] <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
[20:23] <kyrofa> +1
[20:23] <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa
[20:24] <kenvandine> excellent!
[20:24] <kenvandine> thanks kokoye2007 and thohi!
[20:24] <kyrofa> Thank you kokoye2007 and thohi for updating your application, and for being present today
[20:24] <kokoye2007> now also done www redirect
[20:24] <kokoye2007> thanks you so much
[20:24] <thohi> Thanks to Council members
[20:25] <kyrofa> #endvote
[20:26] <kyrofa> :(
[20:26] <kenvandine> #endvote
[20:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: MyanmarTeam re-verification
[20:26] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:26] <kenvandine> sorry :)
[20:26] <kenvandine> i missed that part
[20:26] <kyrofa> Haha, no problem, I guess that only works if you're a chair
[20:26] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:27] <kenvandine> i thought since i added required votes it was automatic
[20:27] <kenvandine> i've updated MyanmarTeam's status in LP already
[20:27] <kyrofa> Yeah you'd think so
[20:27] <kokoye2007> Thank sir
[20:27] <kokoye2007> any suggestion for ubuntu-mm ?
[20:28] <kyrofa> We technically have SwissTeam on our agenda as well, shall we discuss them quickly just for the meeting minutes?
[20:28] <kenvandine> kyrofa, yes
[20:28] <kenvandine> so the bug has enough +1s to pass
[20:28] <kyrofa> kokoye2007, only one: if you work to keep your pages up-to-date as you go, the re-verification app will be much easier
[20:29] <kyrofa> kenvandine, want to update the topic for the minutes?
[20:30] <kenvandine> sure
[20:30] <kenvandine> #topic Re-verification, ubuntu-ch
[20:31] <kenvandine> There was a bug filed to track getting some questions answered
[20:31] <kenvandine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-locoteams/+bug/1750544
[20:31] <kenvandine> that private though :)
[20:32] <kyrofa> Yeah, timezones are different enough asynchronous seemed to be best
[20:32] <kyrofa> Long story short: the council voted to re-verify SwissTeam
[20:33] <kenvandine> 3 votes in favor
[20:33] <kenvandine> kyrofa, did you vote?  maybe i missed your's in the comments
[20:33] <kyrofa> kenvandine, I voted first! Haha
[20:33] <kyrofa> Four votes
[20:33] <kenvandine> 4 :)
[20:33] <kenvandine> so it passes
[20:33] <kenvandine> congratulations to the SwissTeam!
[20:35] <kenvandine> i guess that's it for this month
[20:35] <kyrofa> Indeed, if no one has any other business, that's it for our agenda
[20:35] <kenvandine> thanks everyone!
[20:35] <kenvandine> #endmeeting
[20:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 12 20:35:38 2018 UTC.
[20:35] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2018/ubuntu-meeting.2018-03-12-20.12.moin.txt
[20:35] <Letozaf_> bye
[20:35] <Letozaf_> o/
[20:36] <kyrofa> kenvandine, mind updating SwissTeam's status while you're in there?
[20:36] <kyrofa> Perhaps you already did?
[20:36] <kenvandine> done :)
[20:36] <kenvandine> looking at the meeting logs now
[20:36] <kyrofa> So fast
[20:36] <kyrofa> Thanks kenvandine, Letozaf_
[20:37] <Letozaf_> yw
[20:39] <kenvandine> You did not change the page content, not saved!
[20:39] <kenvandine> creating the wiki page with the minutes
[20:40] <kyrofa> Hmm...
[20:40]  * kyrofa throws wiki out the window
[20:40] <kenvandine> ok... starting from scratch fixed it
[20:42] <kenvandine> Updated the wiki for next month's meeting
[20:42] <kenvandine> thanks all!