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| Guest48453 | einar77 | 01:07 |
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| daftykins | that looks a lot like a password | 01:08 |
| Guest48453 | Whoiseinar77 | 01:09 |
| daftykins | that's not how a command looks | 01:10 |
| === Nina_ is now known as Ntd | ||
| SuperMatt | what's new pussycats? | 09:17 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 10:05 |
| SuperMatt | I dun some good code this weekend | 10:05 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 10:07 |
| SuperMatt | https://imgur.com/xs8TqqY - I am genuinely surprised how fast this is | 10:07 |
| SuperMatt | hah, I just noticed the mild swears in the list of 4 and 5 letter words | 10:15 |
| foobarry | have a "new" PC but annoyingly 1 month before LTS release | 10:24 |
| foobarry | means i will likely be reinstalling in a couple of months | 10:24 |
| foobarry | and its my work PC. my current work pc hasnt been reinstalled in 4-5 years | 10:25 |
| SuperMatt | Install 17.10 for now and upgrade to 18.04 in a month | 10:26 |
| SuperMatt | 17.10 is solid | 10:26 |
| Nafallo | *shrugs* help beta test 18.04? | 10:27 |
| Nafallo | feature freeze is already in effect | 10:27 |
| SuperMatt | I want to switch to 18.04, but it doesn't even have firefox 58 yet | 10:27 |
| SuperMatt | Considering 59 is out this week (hopefully with csd), I don't want to install 18.04 yet | 10:28 |
| foobarry | gonna beta | 10:41 |
| SuperMatt | fair enough | 10:44 |
| foobarry | do i have to disable secure boot to install it? | 11:33 |
| TJ- | foobarry: the installers have a signed shimx64.efi so S.B. should be fine | 11:37 |
| foobarry | yeah i'm struggling here | 11:39 |
| foobarry | wonder if beta is different | 11:39 |
| foobarry | hmm a release version works ok | 11:45 |
| TJ- | foobarry: As far as I know the cd-image builders use the same (signed) GRUB packages | 11:47 |
| foobarry | "there is no regular Ubuntu 18.04 Beta 1 release. " ah | 12:03 |
| foobarry | "Ubuntu proper only participates in the second round of beta testing" | 12:04 |
| foobarry | looks like i'm on budgie for a month :( | 12:13 |
| SuperMatt | Install 17.10 then upgrade | 12:52 |
| TJ- | foobarry: You can install from another flavour then just "sudo apt install gnome-desktop" or whatever | 13:03 |
| SuperMatt | well, you'd want to do ubuntu-desktop | 13:18 |
| SuperMatt | because the gnome-session doesn't give you the same stuff as the ubuntu-session | 13:18 |
| TJ- | ahh, yes. You can tell I don't use either of those :) | 13:19 |
| SuperMatt | I thoroughly enjoy using the ubuntu version of gnome. | 13:27 |
| SuperMatt | stock gnome is good, but ubuntu's version is just that tiny bit better | 13:27 |
| TJ- | Anything Unity/Gnome related has been awful for my config, I abandonded it about 6 years ago | 13:29 |
| SuperMatt | OOI, why would that be? | 13:31 |
| TJ- | multi-GPU, multi-monitor | 13:32 |
| SuperMatt | Ah, I have multi monitor which works fine with gnome, but I don't have multigpu | 13:39 |
| TJ- | I've got 6 monitors over 3 GPUs | 13:40 |
| SuperMatt | geez | 13:40 |
| SuperMatt | I only have 2 monitors | 13:40 |
| TJ- | I use 4 X sessions too | 13:40 |
| foobarry | 17.10 feels wrong when we're so close to new release :D | 14:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | so young... when you're older you always want an old (warts and all but we know what they are) distro... :-) | 14:39 |
| foobarry | i am older...and i still have 14.04 on my work machine | 14:40 |
| foobarry | which is why its annoying being in limbo for another month until i can install a long term desktop on my new machine | 14:41 |
| SuperMatt | Way I see things is that because most of my work is done via browser or terminal sshed into another box, it doesn't matter what I run on my desktop as long as I like it | 14:50 |
| Seeker` | pfft, 5.10 is the way to go | 14:55 |
| Seeker` | can't remember if it was that or 5.04 I started with | 14:55 |
| foobarry | i was 4.10/5.04 era | 14:56 |
| foobarry | just desperate after debian dselect and installer ugliness | 14:57 |
| Seeker` | I came from FC2 or 3 | 14:57 |
| foobarry | yeah. fedora wasn't working well | 14:57 |
| foobarry | had the same problem | 14:57 |
| foobarry | dependency issues seemed particualry bad | 14:58 |
| Seeker` | I think 3 or 4 had bad compatiability issues with my laptop / pc | 14:59 |
| SuperMatt | moan all you want about fedora core, but we all know the bad says were around the beefy miracle days | 15:03 |
| SuperMatt | *days | 15:04 |
| foobarry | but the best name | 15:11 |
| foobarry | also...bring back wobbly windows! | 15:11 |
| SuperMatt | true that | 15:11 |
| SuperMatt | I think the raring days of Ubuntu weren't great too :/ | 15:12 |
| foobarry | remember automatix? | 15:12 |
| SuperMatt | nope | 15:12 |
| foobarry | it was an app to make things easier on ubuntu | 15:12 |
| foobarry | when simple things weren't that easy for all suers | 15:13 |
| foobarry | however, when the next upgrade came out, the ubuntu forums went mental | 15:13 |
| foobarry | because automatix did something to break all the buntus | 15:13 |
| foobarry | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatix_(software) | 15:14 |
| foobarry | Automatix was not recommended by the Ubuntu development team, which has criticised its content.[2] Some individual Ubuntu developers blamed Automatix 1 for breaking updates from Dapper to Edgy.[3][4] On 2 November 2006 Ubuntu CTO Matt Zimmerman said "I cannot recommend the use of this program, and systems where it has been used cannot be supported with a clean and official upgrade path."[5] | 15:14 |
| SuperMatt | oh gosh, sounds like a nightmare | 15:17 |
| SuperMatt | I've pretty much given up on a lot of third party tools. | 15:17 |
| SuperMatt | there used to be a number of unity tweak tools, but often they wouldn't be updated with the new version of Ubuntu, and so you couldn't get all the tweaks you wanted working | 15:18 |
| diplo | Automatix was around in the early days, I remember it | 15:26 |
| diplo | It sucked | 15:26 |
| foobarry | a partly necessary evil | 15:26 |
| SuperMatt | How so? | 15:31 |
| diplo | I guess he means because some things were a pain to do back then and it made things easier | 15:48 |
| SuperMatt | fair enough | 15:49 |
| diplo | I still think ubuntu was great back in the 4.10 days, much better than Suse/Redhat | 15:53 |
| diplo | I was using debian just before then as well, also a pita | 15:53 |
| SuperMatt | I didn't start linuxing until 8.04, so I don't have much experience of those really early versions | 15:54 |
| diplo | Still 10 years ago.. :) | 15:57 |
| SuperMatt | Gosh, yes | 15:59 |
| SuperMatt | 10 years and 20 versions | 15:59 |
| diddledan | I started on buntu at 5.10/6.06 era. Before that I was a ricer (gentoo) | 16:00 |
| SuperMatt | I had dabbled a little with debian on and off in my time | 16:15 |
| SuperMatt | especially at uni | 16:15 |
| SuperMatt | which is when you're supposed to play the field a little | 16:15 |
| SuperMatt | but back then it wasn't really nice enough to use in order to get me hooked | 16:15 |
| diplo | I started off with AIX and RedHat 7, RH was our mail server and AIX was our ERP system | 16:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | red hat 4 just as redhat 5 came along... | 16:19 |
| diplo | Not RHEL zmoylan-pi ? | 16:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | nah, we were playing with it to learn... | 16:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | half the fun was finding hardware around the office that people wouldn't miss that was compatible... :-) | 16:22 |
| diplo | No I mean was it the early version, non EL | 16:25 |
| diplo | So 97-2000 time ? | 16:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | downloaded onto umpteen floppies using a 56k modem... yes... :-) | 16:26 |
| SuperMatt | then curse when one of them can't be read | 16:27 |
| diplo | hahah. still have a pile here somewhere for aix | 16:32 |
| zmoylan-pi | then it was a quick shuffle and rewrtie the flp file to a new disk... | 16:35 |
| m0nkey_ | Ah, yes. Download all the Red hat 2.0 floppy images only to find one or more of them are corrupted. | 17:09 |
| diddledan | pm blames russia: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43377856 | 17:29 |
| DrRoach | Hi is there anyone here that can help me with an issue with mysql? | 20:57 |
| daftykins | xD | 20:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | now if it had of been a dbase iii+ problem... :-P | 22:00 |
| daftykins | (: | 22:18 |
| Gargoyle | The youth of today! No answer in less than 60s = "Pffft! I'm off..." ;-) | 23:23 |
| daftykins | doubt it was youth to blame ;) | 23:23 |
| daftykins | what do you guys make of the situation when users come in and ask a help question, but refuse to explain the scenario or why they want to do the thing they want help with? | 23:24 |
| daftykins | is it bad of a support person to feel they need to understand the task? to me it's key, but in another channel i'm having expletives hurled at me for it | 23:24 |
| Gargoyle | Well. If the context helps solve the problem I don't see the issue. | 23:25 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 23:25 |
| Gargoyle | I don't think it's bad for you to want to understand the scenario you are trying to help with. | 23:25 |
| daftykins | it's a little odd for users to refuse to explain, too | 23:27 |
| Gargoyle | Indeed. | 23:27 |
| Gargoyle | If they are that sensitive, they'll have to figure out the solution on their own. | 23:27 |
| Gargoyle | Or figure out a way to explain it in a way they are happy with. | 23:28 |
| daftykins | such a strange one | 23:36 |
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