=== Nina is now known as Guest48453 [01:07] einar77 [01:08] that looks a lot like a password [01:09] Whoiseinar77 [01:10] that's not how a command looks === Nina_ is now known as Ntd [09:17] what's new pussycats? [09:28] morning boys and girls. [10:05] o/ [10:05] I dun some good code this weekend [10:07] o/ [10:07] https://imgur.com/xs8TqqY - I am genuinely surprised how fast this is [10:15] hah, I just noticed the mild swears in the list of 4 and 5 letter words [10:24] have a "new" PC but annoyingly 1 month before LTS release [10:24] means i will likely be reinstalling in a couple of months [10:25] and its my work PC. my current work pc hasnt been reinstalled in 4-5 years [10:26] Install 17.10 for now and upgrade to 18.04 in a month [10:26] 17.10 is solid [10:27] *shrugs* help beta test 18.04? [10:27] feature freeze is already in effect [10:27] I want to switch to 18.04, but it doesn't even have firefox 58 yet [10:28] Considering 59 is out this week (hopefully with csd), I don't want to install 18.04 yet [10:41] gonna beta [10:44] fair enough [11:33] do i have to disable secure boot to install it? [11:37] foobarry: the installers have a signed shimx64.efi so S.B. should be fine [11:39] yeah i'm struggling here [11:39] wonder if beta is different [11:45] hmm a release version works ok [11:47] foobarry: As far as I know the cd-image builders use the same (signed) GRUB packages [12:03] "there is no regular Ubuntu 18.04 Beta 1 release. " ah [12:04] "Ubuntu proper only participates in the second round of beta testing" [12:13] looks like i'm on budgie for a month :( [12:52] Install 17.10 then upgrade [13:03] foobarry: You can install from another flavour then just "sudo apt install gnome-desktop" or whatever [13:18] well, you'd want to do ubuntu-desktop [13:18] because the gnome-session doesn't give you the same stuff as the ubuntu-session [13:19] ahh, yes. You can tell I don't use either of those :) [13:27] I thoroughly enjoy using the ubuntu version of gnome. [13:27] stock gnome is good, but ubuntu's version is just that tiny bit better [13:29] Anything Unity/Gnome related has been awful for my config, I abandonded it about 6 years ago [13:31] OOI, why would that be? [13:32] multi-GPU, multi-monitor [13:39] Ah, I have multi monitor which works fine with gnome, but I don't have multigpu [13:40] I've got 6 monitors over 3 GPUs [13:40] geez [13:40] I only have 2 monitors [13:40] I use 4 X sessions too [14:38] 17.10 feels wrong when we're so close to new release :D [14:39] so young... when you're older you always want an old (warts and all but we know what they are) distro... :-) [14:40] i am older...and i still have 14.04 on my work machine [14:41] which is why its annoying being in limbo for another month until i can install a long term desktop on my new machine [14:50] Way I see things is that because most of my work is done via browser or terminal sshed into another box, it doesn't matter what I run on my desktop as long as I like it [14:55] pfft, 5.10 is the way to go [14:55] can't remember if it was that or 5.04 I started with [14:56] i was 4.10/5.04 era [14:57] just desperate after debian dselect and installer ugliness [14:57] I came from FC2 or 3 [14:57] yeah. fedora wasn't working well [14:57] had the same problem [14:58] dependency issues seemed particualry bad [14:59] I think 3 or 4 had bad compatiability issues with my laptop / pc [15:03] moan all you want about fedora core, but we all know the bad says were around the beefy miracle days [15:04] *days [15:11] but the best name [15:11] also...bring back wobbly windows! [15:11] true that [15:12] I think the raring days of Ubuntu weren't great too :/ [15:12] remember automatix? [15:12] nope [15:12] it was an app to make things easier on ubuntu [15:13] when simple things weren't that easy for all suers [15:13] however, when the next upgrade came out, the ubuntu forums went mental [15:13] because automatix did something to break all the buntus [15:14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatix_(software) [15:14] Automatix was not recommended by the Ubuntu development team, which has criticised its content.[2] Some individual Ubuntu developers blamed Automatix 1 for breaking updates from Dapper to Edgy.[3][4] On 2 November 2006 Ubuntu CTO Matt Zimmerman said "I cannot recommend the use of this program, and systems where it has been used cannot be supported with a clean and official upgrade path."[5] [15:17] oh gosh, sounds like a nightmare [15:17] I've pretty much given up on a lot of third party tools. [15:18] there used to be a number of unity tweak tools, but often they wouldn't be updated with the new version of Ubuntu, and so you couldn't get all the tweaks you wanted working [15:26] Automatix was around in the early days, I remember it [15:26] It sucked [15:26] a partly necessary evil [15:31] How so? [15:48] I guess he means because some things were a pain to do back then and it made things easier [15:49] fair enough [15:53] I still think ubuntu was great back in the 4.10 days, much better than Suse/Redhat [15:53] I was using debian just before then as well, also a pita [15:54] I didn't start linuxing until 8.04, so I don't have much experience of those really early versions [15:57] Still 10 years ago.. :) [15:59] Gosh, yes [15:59] 10 years and 20 versions [16:00] I started on buntu at 5.10/6.06 era. Before that I was a ricer (gentoo) [16:15] I had dabbled a little with debian on and off in my time [16:15] especially at uni [16:15] which is when you're supposed to play the field a little [16:15] but back then it wasn't really nice enough to use in order to get me hooked [16:18] I started off with AIX and RedHat 7, RH was our mail server and AIX was our ERP system [16:19] red hat 4 just as redhat 5 came along... [16:20] Not RHEL zmoylan-pi ? [16:22] nah, we were playing with it to learn... [16:22] half the fun was finding hardware around the office that people wouldn't miss that was compatible... :-) [16:25] No I mean was it the early version, non EL [16:25] So 97-2000 time ? [16:26] downloaded onto umpteen floppies using a 56k modem... yes... :-) [16:27] then curse when one of them can't be read [16:32] hahah. still have a pile here somewhere for aix [16:35] then it was a quick shuffle and rewrtie the flp file to a new disk... [17:09] Ah, yes. Download all the Red hat 2.0 floppy images only to find one or more of them are corrupted. [17:29] pm blames russia: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43377856 [20:57] Hi is there anyone here that can help me with an issue with mysql? [20:58] xD [22:00] now if it had of been a dbase iii+ problem... :-P [22:18] (: [23:23] The youth of today! No answer in less than 60s = "Pffft! I'm off..." ;-) [23:23] doubt it was youth to blame ;) [23:24] what do you guys make of the situation when users come in and ask a help question, but refuse to explain the scenario or why they want to do the thing they want help with? [23:24] is it bad of a support person to feel they need to understand the task? to me it's key, but in another channel i'm having expletives hurled at me for it [23:25] Well. If the context helps solve the problem I don't see the issue. [23:25] *nod* [23:25] I don't think it's bad for you to want to understand the scenario you are trying to help with. [23:27] it's a little odd for users to refuse to explain, too [23:27] Indeed. [23:27] If they are that sensitive, they'll have to figure out the solution on their own. [23:28] Or figure out a way to explain it in a way they are happy with. [23:36] such a strange one