[02:02] <veebox> i pasted a big file to my desktop, but theres not a progress bar to be found
[16:27] <chemnic> Hi. I noticed the option for encrypting home is not present in latest installer. Is this a bug, or intentional?
[16:30] <TJ-> chemnic: I've not seen mention of it but ecryptfs isn't being actively maintained any more and ext4 and other file-system are gaining support for native encryption so I suspect it's been dropped
[16:33] <chemnic> I suspect encrypting the whole system with LVM is encouraged then?
[16:34] <TJ-> well we've had FDE and per-user for a while, they're 2 different use cases
[16:34] <TJ-> FDE protects in a power-off state, per-user protects whilst logged out
[17:09] <enyc> Silly (actually not so)  question:  Did anybody consider  btrfs or otherwise  as default ubuntu fs, instead of ext4?  =).
[17:10] <Onigiri> enyc: Does btrfs still shred data in raid5 & 6 modes?
[17:12] <enyc> Onigiri: i don't know =)
[17:13] <enyc> Onigiri: there is a whole-mess brough-up with ubuntu-devs about ext4 setitngs and e2fsprogs compatibility, but thas another matter.
[17:33] <TJ-> enyc: one of the scenrios I thought about later re ext4 is when using iscsi, if the iscsi host is 16.04, exports a blkdev to an 18.04 host, which formats it ext4, then later the iscsi host needs to fsck that F/S ... or the opposite, 18.04 iscsi host, formats and exports an ext4 formatted F/S, to a 16.04 host 
[17:41] <AlexPortable> Is there a list of changes from 16.04 ?
[17:43] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes - not complete, yet, of course.
[17:44] <Azure_Chaos> How stable is the new beta compared to debian testing im trying to switch if its decent.
[17:49] <AlexPortable> I've used gnome-session-fallback in the past on 16.04, how would this work out on 18.04 ?
[17:50] <forester> I have read that synaptic will work again in 18.04. Is it so?
[17:50] <forester> Hi
[17:51] <ecormier> forester: it works...
[17:51] <forester> Thank you
[17:51] <ecormier> forester: no, I mean it works on 17.10
[17:52] <forester> I have tryed beta 17.10 and it was not.
[17:52] <ecormier> you have to login using xorg, not wayland
[17:52] <forester> Will Synaptic be working in UbuntuMate due to snappy?
[17:52] <ecormier> or there is an xhost command you can run to make it work
[17:53] <forester> ok
[17:53] <Odd_Bloke> The default desktop session in 18.04 will be X, not Wayland.
[17:53] <Odd_Bloke> (But under 17.10 you could still opt in to an X session.)
[17:53] <forester> When log in.
[17:54] <ecormier> https://askubuntu.com/questions/963842/synaptic-not-launching-on-ubuntu-17-10
[17:54] <tomreyn> and then there is the "xhost +SI:localuser:root" workaround, whihc i assume would also work for synaptic.
[17:54] <forester> Thank you
[17:54] <ecormier> tomreyn: yep
[17:55] <AlexPortable> I've set `XSession=gnome-fallback` in lightdmconfig, now moving to GDM, how do I set this?
[18:07] <AlexPortable> How can i get a taskbar on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[18:41] <enyc> TJ-: can you add that to relevant bug? 
[18:42] <enyc> TJ-: i'm going to do a multi-boot test to check the grub2 issues following cjwatson's feedback in ubuntu-devel
[18:43] <enyc> TJ-: ALSO -- ther ewoulg be peolpe ithotut JUST ubuntu.  My understanding is that upstream  e2fsprogs has  ONLY JUST (within days!!)  enabled 64bit,metadata_csum  'for everybody' by default.  tytso wearing "debian hat" had turned it on for  (usulally more technically skilled)  debian users, in order to get more testing...  it wonut' have been on many places for a while etc.
[18:44] <TJ-> enyc: Yeah, I read Ted's comments. I'll see if I can get some time tomorrow to set up a iscsi test harness
[18:45] <estan> hi folks. i might be going insane. i'm helping test out a package from bionic-proposed. i noticed that some files listed in the installed file list (dpkg -L libblosc-dev) wasn't present after installation.
[18:45] <enyc> TJ-: i think it improtant you make some points clearly yourself,  explain etc.
[18:45] <estan> so i started investigating: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FMDjsJmypY/
[18:45] <TJ-> estan: where's the source for this package?
[18:45] <enyc> TJ-: i have files to setup a VM:  I'm going to   14.04-server (with minimal updates,), install 16.04-server also similarly, then 18.04-nightly     i.e. no HWE kernels out of the box
[18:46] <estan> TJ-: it's synced unmodified from debian unstable, so it's here: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/c-blosc/tree/debian/master
[18:46] <enyc> TJ-: then going to go update 14.04 and watch it rewrite bootloader ;p
[18:46] <TJ-> estan: give me a moment then
[18:46] <enyc> TJ-: see how much  grub-probe and os-prober  etc etc gets on or chokes-to-death
[18:47] <enyc> TJ-: INTERESTINGLY  it may be detecting/multi-booting those other os  with grub's own FS-reading code in userspace, not relying on 14.04 to have kernel support to mount the 18.04 FS
[18:47] <estan> TJ-: i had a little look at it, there's a libblosc-dev.examples, and the dh_installexamples helper is getting invoked during the package build (build log is here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/360523710/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.c-blosc_1.14.0+ds1-1_BUILDING.txt.gz)
[18:47] <enyc> TJ-: do you agree with my initial multi-booting test-case ?
[18:47] <enyc> [efi multi booting is somewhat different, but thats another matter]
[18:48] <estan> TJ-: dpkg -L libblosc-dev lists those example files, they just haven't been copied to where they're supposed to be during package installation, for some reason.
[18:48] <estan> (i'm trying this out in an ubuntu:18.04 docker container, if that matters, i hope the docker container doesn't have some strange dpkg that strips out stuff :p)
[18:49] <TJ-> ha! "fatal: could not create work tree dir 'master': No space left on device" ... I love lvextend :)
[18:57] <estan> i think i'm going to go ahead and blame these missing examples files on cosmic rays.
[18:59] <TJ-> estan: you're doing this in docker? is it redirecting /usr/share/doc/ to /dev/null ?
[19:03] <estan> TJ-: ah no, i started suspecting that and tried touching a file there. worked fine :/
[19:04] <estan> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5MMRm2SkGT/
[19:06] <TJ-> estan: use "dpkg --debug=100 ..."
[19:12] <estan> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FKgnVJS87f/ , hmm, so "D000100: tarobject nonexistent".
[19:14] <estan> but it's strange, because if i open up the .deb (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+upload/17731721/+files/libblosc-dev_1.14.0+ds1-1_amd64.deb), and have a look at data.tar.xz, the examples are there just fine.
[19:28] <estan> here's an excerpt from an strace of the dpkg process when (i think) it's trying to install one of the example files: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DhmpCR4njf/
[19:34] <TJ-> estan: did you build the package yourself or fetch it from the debian server?
[19:34] <estan> TJ-: i fetched it.
[19:34] <estan> from bionic-proposed using `apt-get download libblosc-dev`.
[19:36] <TJ-> estan: I can't reproduce your issue from the package itself, but I don't use docker. Does /any/ package manage to install anything under /usr/share/doc/ in that container?
[19:36] <estan> i'm really starting to suspect something funny with docker/overlayfs.. here's one bug that seems at least vaguely similar to this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=836211 (note how it was re-opened).
[19:36] <TJ-> estan: have you checkd dmesg for any file-system error reports?
[19:38] <estan> hm, actually. i had a look at the strace package (which i installed actively myself inside the container), and it's docs are broken as well.
[19:39] <estan> e.g. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Tj23RQRs7K/
[19:39] <estan> so something with docker/overlayfs breaks it.
[19:40] <estan> the dmesg isn't showing anything unusual.
[19:41] <TJ-> Like I said earlier, maybe the internal dpkg is redirecting to /dev/null to save space since docs aren't expected to be useful in a container
[19:42] <estan> aha, i thought you meant redirection at another level (like the fs), not a patched dpkg.
[19:43] <estan> but now i think you may be right. i'll look at how the official ubuntu docker image is created.
[19:50] <estan> aha, bingo: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9m9HbW3cQp/
[19:50] <estan> thanks TJ-.
[19:52] <estan> very sneaky. and i still haven't found out where that file is written. oh well.
[19:58] <TJ-> estan: haha, I looked at the dpkg.conf but didn't think they'd slip a run-parts file in there
[19:59] <TJ-> estan: based on your pastebin the file isn't extracted from the tar at all
[19:59] <AlexPortable> How do I choose session to use on GDM?
[20:00] <estan> TJ-: yea. i didn't even know had such sneaky functionality built-in, and without even printing a big fat "hey i'm skipping this" during package installation.
[20:01] <TJ-> estan: :)
[20:01] <estan> (also underestimated the hoops the extent to which the docker image creating folks try to slim down people's images out of the box)
[20:01] <estan> s/the hoops//
[20:02] <TJ-> yes, it's a good obsession after all the bloat there is in other realms
[20:02] <TJ-> looking at you, Electron!
[20:02] <estan> *shudder*
[20:12]  * enyc grumbelsa nd mutters atd tries to get bionic boot image to work in virtualbox ;p
[20:13]  * TJ- pets Qemu :)
[20:16] <enyc> worknig with more ram ;p
[20:16] <enyc> i didn't find a "server" image
[20:22] <TJ-> enyc: you mean an ubuntu-server /installed/ image?
[20:23] <enyc> no 
[20:23] <enyc> just dvd-image
[20:23] <enyc> iso-file
[20:23] <enyc> 'for "server"
[20:23] <TJ-> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[20:23] <enyc> oh ;p
[20:23] <enyc> never mind, ive got bionic-desktop installing on end of disk after the other 2 servers
[20:23] <enyc> 'which is good enough
[20:23] <enyc> fine to test this multi-boot-problem
[20:24] <enyc> i'll see if 14.04 chokes and breaks grub in updating itself
[20:24] <TJ-> the cloud-image server has preinstalled bootables which are great for overlaying on a bootable disk layout https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/current/
[20:44] <archetech-U> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G4400 @ 3.30GHz (992MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.6 GiB Total (6.6 GiB Free) Swap: 1000.0 MiB Total (1000.0 MiB Free) • Storage: 13.1 GB / 168.3 GB (155.2 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 5m 28s
[20:44] <archetech-U> oops
[20:57] <enyc> TJ-: i see
[20:57] <enyc> TJ-: neveretnhess now updating my 14.04 (going to put in a new kernel...)
[23:21] <AlexPortable> How do I achieve this on ubuntu? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/firefox-57-on-ubuntu.jpg