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| tsimonq2 | o/ | 19:59 |
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| kees | \o | 19:59 |
| * slangasek waves | 20:00 | |
| slangasek | kees: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda suggests that you are chairing today :) | 20:03 |
| slangasek | otoh, mdeslaur sent regrets and I see no infinity or stgraber | 20:03 |
| kees | yeah, sorry, got caught up in the xchat bug-reading | 20:03 |
| kees | do we have enough folks? | 20:03 |
| kees | slangasek: infinity idle 11 hours. | 20:05 |
| kees | so... there's only 2 TB members here, we don't have quorum. | 20:06 |
| slangasek | ack | 20:06 |
| kees | slangasek: would it be valueable for us to discuss the xchat issue anyway, even though we can't have a binding decision? | 20:06 |
| slangasek | kees: well, I failed to follow up on that before meeting because I was instead focused on the ubuntu-seeded-snaps topic which I considered more urgent | 20:07 |
| * kees nods | 20:07 | |
| slangasek | kees: but IMHO there's no reason for xchat to be escalated to the TB at all at this point, it's squarely in the domain of the archive admins | 20:07 |
| kees | that was my first reaction, yes. :P | 20:07 |
| rbasak | o/ | 20:08 |
| rbasak | It wasn't obvious to me that it is within the domain of the archive admins, because it's at least in part a social decision. | 20:08 |
| rbasak | But without a reply to my post on ubuntu-release@, nobody seemed to be making a decision. | 20:08 |
| rbasak | This is why I added to the agenda. | 20:09 |
| slangasek | it is clear to me that the archive admins have the authority, and escalating to the TB is not going to get a decision *faster* than letting the archive admins think it through and respond | 20:09 |
| slangasek | any decision by the AA team can of course be reviewed by the TB | 20:09 |
| rbasak | How long should we wait for an AA decision before re-escalating to the TB if we don't get one? | 20:10 |
| rbasak | (since a lack of a decision before final freeze -ish is effectively a decision by default) | 20:11 |
| slangasek | I would say a week should be the minimum | 20:11 |
| kees | I would say just leave it on the agenda for the next TB meeting. if you get a resolution before then, remove it. :) | 20:11 |
| slangasek | (and certainly longer than the time between the Thursday of an engineering sprint, and the Monday when a lot of people are swapped on travel) | 20:11 |
| rbasak | I think (but it's not clear) that ~ubuntu-archive was subscribed when the bug was submitted which is over a week ago - but yeah, the engineering sprint didn't help. | 20:12 |
| jbicha | (I filed lots of ubuntu-archive removal bugs that are still open) | 20:13 |
| rbasak | But as I say I'm asking the TB because it (to me) wasn't clear it's an AA thing, and nobody said otherwise on the list. So I didn't want to wait weeks before being told that the AAs were ignoring it because they didn't see it as an AA decision. | 20:13 |
| jbicha | (killing libgnome stuff, old webkitgtk, gksu, etc.) | 20:13 |
| rbasak | kees: sure. Easy enough, thanks. | 20:14 |
| slangasek | jbicha: yes, and I would spend some time on these if not for launchpad timing out on the bug list for ~ubuntu-archive | 20:15 |
| rbasak | To be clear, I'm only trying to drive this because I think we owe it to the community as a project to be able to decide on this without letting it languish. | 20:15 |
| slangasek | anyway, since we don't have quorum, we also don't really have a meeting | 20:16 |
| kees | rbasak: yeah, I agree about avoiding a problem with a package living in LTS. | 20:16 |
| slangasek | so I'm going to wander off from this discussion, and follow up to the mailing list threads as appropriate | 20:17 |
| rbasak | kees: well, I'm not necessarily in favour of removal :) | 20:17 |
| rbasak | I just think the project should have a very clear line to a decision, and I don't feel that it has right now. | 20:17 |
| kees | rbasak: right, I mean "evaluating it" in case we have a solid concern to avoid it | 20:17 |
| rbasak | Ah. Yes, I agree then :) | 20:18 |
| jbicha | slangasek: for webkitgtk, the tricky one is still gnucash which I guess you're sort of following | 20:21 |
| jbicha | looking at the links from https://bugs.debian.org/892177 there is supposed to be a 2.7.6 release any time now | 20:22 |
| rbasak | Thanks for looking anyway. | 20:24 |
| * rbasak EODs | 20:24 | |
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