[00:01] <neredsenvy> p to Num 7, { to Num 8, } to Num 9, ; to Num 4, " to Num 5, | to Num 6, _ to Num 3
[00:06] <Budgii__> neredsenvy, what if it was ctrl P?
[00:07] <neredsenvy> problem is keyboard p button is not working
[00:07] <Budgii__> oh, so 7 needs to type P
[00:07] <neredsenvy> seems to be software problem because i tried a new replacement keyboard same issue tho
[00:07] <neredsenvy> yes
[00:09] <kostkon> neredsenvy, happens on a different keyboard layout as well?
[00:09] <Budgii__> what about with another operating system?
[00:09] <kostkon> neredsenvy, you could add a 2nd english layout, e.g. en us or en uk and test it out
[00:10] <Budgii__> I was able to make xdotool type p, but for some reason it's not executing when i bind a key to bash
[00:10] <neredsenvy> same one windows
[00:11] <neredsenvy> on*
[00:11] <Budgii__> !p
[00:11] <Budgii__> can someone send a paste link? paste.ubuntu.com is down
[00:12] <kostkon> Budgii__, works fine here
[00:12] <Budgii__> says the server is down. strange
[00:12] <Budgii__> other sites work
[00:12] <Budgii__> i'
[00:13] <TabMasher> Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[00:13] <kostkon> interesting..
[00:13] <Budgii__> hmm still not working
[00:13] <kostkon> Budgii__, what about pastebin.ubuntu.com
[00:14] <Budgii__> well, neredsenvy, this is all you need to do: download xdotool then i;ll tell you
[00:14] <Budgii__> kostkon, error:  DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
[00:14] <kostkon> right
[00:14] <kostkon> your dns server is acting up
[00:14] <Budgii__> it might be that my computer hasn't been restarted in weeks
[00:14] <strength> kostkon, nopbody says google X anymore... it's now "search X"
[00:14] <Budgii__> Lol
[00:14] <kostkon> strength, might be the same i don't know
[00:15] <kostkon> the case*
[00:15] <kostkon> same → case
[00:15] <Budgii__> okay neredsenvy, this is all you need for your .sh script. line 1: #!/bin/bash line 2: xdotool type p
[00:16] <Budgii__> then bind your 7 key to that script with "bash /home/user/script/location" in the keyboard settings
[00:16] <kolbert> Hey there, I'm trying to install ubuntu from a USB but it doesn't let me select what partition I want to use, it wants to install itself on the USB
[00:17] <chegney> anyone know anyting about getting 16.04 to recognise the p54usb wireless device?
[00:18] <akik> kolbert: it doesn't see your hdd/ssd? maybe look into your bios for sata mode, and change it to ahci
[00:18] <chegney> [   29.117810] usb 1-2: Loading firmware file isl3887usb
[00:18] <chegney> [   29.121178] usbcore: registered new interface driver p54usb
[00:18] <chegney> [   29.203884] usb 1-2: Direct firmware load for isl3887usb failed with error -2
[00:18] <chegney> [   29.203896] usb 1-2: Firmware not found.
[00:18] <chegney> [   29.203899] usb 1-2: failed to initialize device (-2)
[00:18] <kolbert> akik: I just get this when I go through the prompts
[00:19] <kolbert> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iETvCxdH/Screenshot%20from%202018-03-13%2000-12-38.png
[00:19] <kostkon> !paste | chegney
[00:19] <chegney> ok, sorry
[00:19] <chegney> thanks
[00:22] <Younder> I am writing a shell script. In it I am doing a 'sudo -u john rsync -avz Pandora:/var/www /media/john/data/Pandora/www'. This propts me for a passphrase. In my shell i have 'eval "$(ssh-agent -s)"' and 'ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa' set so I don't have to enter the pass phrase evey time. How do I pass this over to the shell script so I dont have to enter this passphrase? It is in cron.weekly so stopping and asking ruins everything.
[00:28] <akik> Younder: i'd just make sure user john can use those ssh keys. why are you changing user in the script?
[00:28] <blackflow> Younder: add -e ssh
[00:28] <blackflow> Younder: to rsync
[00:29] <akik> Younder: oh, cron.weekly
[00:30] <Younder> akik, I have ssh-copy-id pandora and the in /etc/ssh/sshd_config set AllowPasswords to no. So I am running the script as root but must log in as john. (yes, allowRootLogin is no)
[00:31] <gerge> you should just do it with systemd
[00:32] <akik> Younder: if you "su - john" are you able to access the remote server pandora with ssh?
[00:34] <jiveturkey> what is the web browser of choice?
[00:34] <akik> jiveturkey: ubuntu comes with firefox
[00:35] <jiveturkey> ok does anyone know why that program captures itself in your clipboard history?
[00:36] <Younder> akik, yes as john i can 'ssh pandora' without the passphrase
[00:36] <jiveturkey> also I have a bios update exe
[00:36] <gerge> Younder: use the same command with systemd with user:john
[00:36] <jiveturkey> how do I run in when I am linux?
[00:37] <gerge> systemd timers can work easily weekly
[00:37] <akik> Younder: maybe it's the sudo that doesn't work with it. you can use also "su - john -c rsync ..."
[00:38] <akik> Younder: or have you setup sudo to not ask for a password? maybe that's what it is waiting for
[00:39] <gerge> Younder: john can enter ssh because it has the keys, right?
[00:40] <gerge> so, if you insist on cron, just do this instead of sudo -u
[00:41] <chegney> how do I extract a Setup.exe on linux?
[00:41] <jiveturkey> cabextract
[00:41] <jiveturkey> just did it
[00:42] <jiveturkey> goto terminal and type cabextract
[00:42] <jiveturkey> install the dependancy
[00:42] <chegney> says no valid cabinets found
[00:42] <jiveturkey> then cabextract *.exe
[00:42] <jiveturkey> you need to run win
[00:42] <jiveturkey> wine
[00:42] <jiveturkey> or virtualize a windows box
[00:42] <gerge> rsync -avz e "ssh -i /home/john/.ssh/somekey" Pandora:/var/www /media/john/data/Pandora/www  -
[00:42] <chegney> just to extract an exe?
[00:42] <Random832> install 7z
[00:42] <jiveturkey> you can try 7zip
[00:43] <Random832> apt install p7zip-full
[00:43] <gerge> cabextract doesn't need wine
[00:45] <Jonno_FTW> in 16.04, I can't play music with ario and youtube in chrome at the same timer
[00:46] <jiveturkey> how do i format doggie?
[00:46] <jiveturkey> disk utility?
[00:46] <Jonno_FTW> jiveturkey: what it is doggie?
[00:47] <jiveturkey> you know... whats up dog?
[00:47] <jiveturkey> smells like updog.
[00:47] <TabMasher> ??
[00:47] <Jonno_FTW> use gparted
[00:47] <jiveturkey> that is it
[00:47] <cheguacamole> what is it though
[00:47] <Jonno_FTW> (thought I'd ruin your joke with bad english)
[00:47] <jiveturkey> sorry I don't know the terminology someone asked me if I worked on dvr when I was 18 I said yeah I can fix your dvd player.?
[00:48] <jiveturkey> only problem is I am on xubuntu
[00:48] <jiveturkey> so I guess I have to get everything lol
[00:49] <jiveturkey> I just upgraded an old hp to a core 2 duo I am so excited!
[00:49] <Jonno_FTW> what is your question?
[00:50] <jiveturkey> do you have to unmount to format?
[00:50] <Jonno_FTW> yes
[00:50] <Jonno_FTW> gparted will do all this for you
[00:50] <jiveturkey> ok i have it up
[00:50] <jiveturkey> I just see there isn't an option with it mounted... makes sense
[00:51] <jiveturkey> they call me gnomeo
[00:53] <nexus_> hi
[00:53] <jiveturkey> ok got my bios stuff intact on the usb
[00:53] <jiveturkey> here I go
[00:53] <jiveturkey> wish me luckies
[00:54] <Jonno_FTW> we don't need a play by play
[00:55] <nexus_> what does one do on these servers
[00:55] <akik> nexus_: you can chat on irc servers
[00:55] <wedgie> nexus_: this channel is for support on Ubuntu. So if you have any ubuntu questions you can ask them here
[00:56] <nexus_> file sharing
[00:56] <nexus_> ?
[00:56] <chegney> is it impossible to get this wireless device to work?
[00:56] <chegney> Netgear WG111v2
[00:56] <pika> be more specific
[00:58] <chegney> can't seem to find a driver for it
[00:59] <jiveturkey> anyone know how to push the bios update on old hp core2duo its a pavilion
[00:59] <jiveturkey> I have it on a fat32
[01:00] <jiveturkey> I don't have windows
[01:01] <wedgie> jiveturkey: i've used freedos for bios flashing in the past for those "windows only" installers
[01:01] <akik> jiveturkey: there's a way to make a bootable windows preboot environment dvd iso
[01:01] <akik> jiveturkey: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/how-to-create-bootable-windows-pe-iso.html
[01:03] <akik> jiveturkey: if you follow that guide, it was missing two packages that needs to be installed: cabextract and syslinux
[01:03] <jiveturkey> I don't know if i have any spare dvdr's around
[01:04] <jiveturkey> could I just use hirens?
[01:04] <jiveturkey> that has one on it right?
[01:04] <akik> jiveturkey: whatever works :)
[01:04] <jiveturkey> windows pe
[01:04] <KalEl> i want to write a script to automatically back up my stuff. do you know how i can upload to _any_ online cloud service provider using commandline?
[01:04] <KalEl> or using python?
[01:04] <jiveturkey> I had to make one of those for acronis for a server once
[01:05] <jiveturkey> imma work it
[01:05] <jiveturkey> if I could only keep up with my cd wallet
[01:06] <Guest5713> how do you convert bios to uefi?
[01:06] <jiveturkey> its the file system
[01:06] <jiveturkey> the bios usually is uefi already
[01:06] <jiveturkey> either you have it on or off
[01:07] <Guest5713> ??
[01:07] <Mahjongg> hi, why would VLC icons get large? I tried remove --purge on VLC and packages VLC depends on with no luck
[01:07] <Mahjongg> bionic here
[01:07] <jiveturkey> like uefi is enabled by default unless you do a factory reset you can gain access back to the bios and modify it legacy
[01:07] <jiveturkey> uefi uses a efi file in the boot partition
[01:07] <Mahjongg> Don't have the same problem on another bionic
[01:07] <jaitaiwan> Hey folks, just wondering if snaps are supposed to be apart of your $PATH by default or if there's some sort of setup steps I'm missing before using CLI snaps
[01:07] <jiveturkey> lets the os gain access to the bios
[01:08] <Guest5713> my computer is default bios
[01:08] <jiveturkey> its usually lock with secure boot so only windows with signed key can be loaded
[01:08] <jiveturkey> so you need to gain access disable secure boot and then you can modify it back to legacy
[01:08] <jiveturkey> then you can install linux
[01:09] <jiveturkey> if you are trying to install linux in uefi that will work too
[01:09] <jiveturkey> but don't dual boot windows and linux both uefi
[01:09] <jiveturkey> windows likes to write itself into the bios to boot and kick linux
[01:09] <Guest5713> my computer is bios by default.
[01:09] <jiveturkey> bios is just a chip hardcoded in there
[01:09] <jiveturkey> you mean it is legacy by default
[01:09] <Guest5713> yes
[01:10] <Guest5713> and i want to convert it to uefi/efi
[01:10] <jiveturkey> you want to convert ubuntu to uefi from legacy?
[01:10] <Guest5713> yes
[01:10] <Mahjongg> By VLC icons I mean play stop etc icons on the VLC window
[01:10] <jiveturkey> ok that is your search than in google
[01:10] <jiveturkey> converting ubuntu legacy install to uefi
[01:11] <Guest5713> ive tried googling it
[01:11] <Bashing-om> !uefi | Guest5713
[01:11] <jiveturkey> you need to do the conversion if it is possible converting the filesystem then switch the bios to uefi
[01:11] <jiveturkey> I have done it with win
[01:11] <jiveturkey> I just reinstall with uefi
[01:11] <jiveturkey> for linux
[01:11] <jiveturkey> if that is an option
[01:11] <jiveturkey> just format a fat32 install and make sure you choose the uefi boot for the cd or usb stick
[01:12] <jiveturkey> uefi understands fat32 format not ntfs or other
[01:12] <Guest5713> i use a windows 7 computer that is defaukt bios/legacy.i want to convert the entire system to uefi/efi if thats possible.
[01:12] <jiveturkey> well you have to have uefi support in the bios
[01:12] <jiveturkey> what type of processor is it?
[01:13] <jiveturkey> your lga775 doesn't have the support
[01:13] <jiveturkey> you have to have a 1150 or 1155 or above
[01:13] <Guest5713> how do i see what type of processor i have?
[01:13] <jiveturkey> it basically has to be specced for the window 8 time
[01:13] <jiveturkey> or above
[01:13] <jiveturkey> it is in the bios
[01:14] <jiveturkey> or you have a sticker on the machine
[01:14] <jiveturkey> you can look up the vin number
[01:14] <jiveturkey> it is mainly the socket and the motherboard they have to have uefi support
[01:14] <jiveturkey> uefi usually works if the socket is up to par
[01:15] <jiveturkey> or bios flash altogether
[01:15] <Guest5713> can i install windows 8.1 in bios?
[01:15] <jiveturkey> you can install anything
[01:15] <Guest5713> ok
[01:15] <jiveturkey> you need to choose mbr tho
[01:15] <jiveturkey> no gpt
[01:15] <jiveturkey> or i suppose you could do either what do i know
[01:15] <Guest5713> what happens if i choose gpt
[01:15] <jiveturkey> just no efi file if you don't have uefi
[01:16] <jiveturkey> i don't know let me see if you can
[01:16] <jiveturkey> no gpt is only for uefi
[01:16] <jiveturkey> so only mbr for legacy bios
[01:16] <Guest5713> ok
[01:16] <jiveturkey> and mbr is specific to legacy
[01:17]  * zykotick9 notes it is _possible_ to use gpt with an old school bios
[01:17] <jiveturkey> vice versa gpt / mbr uefi/ legacy
[01:17] <jiveturkey> you can use it
[01:17] <jiveturkey> but you can't boot gpt from legacy
[01:18] <jiveturkey> that is the only stipulation
[01:19] <Guest5713> off topic:is there any way to unguest yourself here?
[01:19] <pengwens> Guest5713: type "/nick somename" to change your name to somename
[01:20] <kostkon> !register | Guest5713, also you could register
[01:20] <chegney> anyone familiar with using ndiswrapper for wireless?
[01:20] <idontknowanymore> @pengwens thanks
[01:21] <pengwens> np
[01:21] <chegney> I'm using gkndis and it seems I have the driver installed, but i'm not getting a wlan device
[01:21] <pragmaticenigma> chegney, could you provide more information? What ubuntu version you are on, what chipset the wireless card is?
[01:21] <idontknowanymore> is there any way to convert/upgrade from bios to uefi/efi?
[01:22] <chegney> i'm on 16.04 and it's a Netgear wg111v2
[01:22] <jaitaiwan> Any snap experts in here?
[01:22] <chegney> think it's a isl3887 chipset
[01:23] <bazhang> #snappy jaitaiwan
[01:23] <jaitaiwan> bazhang champion ty
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> idontknowanymore, the motherboard needs to come from the manufacturer with the ability to use UEFI. it is not something that you can do at home
[01:23] <pengwens> idontknowanymore: i think it depends on what your motherboard supports
[01:23] <idontknowanymore> oh
[01:24] <pengwens> ^^ what pragmaticenigma said.  :)
[01:24] <idontknowanymore> how can i tell?(im new at this ._.)
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> !ask jaitaiwan
[01:24] <pengwens> idontknowanymore: restart, and poke through the settings in the bios
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | jaitaiwan
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> idontknowanymore, it will be documented in your motherboard/computer manual
[01:25] <pengwens> pragmaticenigma: otherwise, i would search for the make/model of your motherboard and see if they spell it out in the specs
[01:25] <idontknowanymore> if i reboot can i get back to this same place?
[01:25] <pragmaticenigma> however you were able to join this room, you need only repeat those steps to come back here
[01:26] <pengwens> idontknowanymore: you will have to restart your IRC client
[01:27] <chegney> any ideas on this wireless device??? http://i.imgur.com/rK9Zajb.png
[01:31] <pragmaticenigma> chegney, have you taken a look at this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/814364/usb-wireless-netgear-adapter-ubuntu-16-04
[01:32] <pengwens> pragmaticenigma: how do you look up the list of commands that be sent to a bot?
[01:33] <pragmaticenigma> pengwens, most I pick up from other people. You can also "/msg ubottu !testcmd" to see if ubottu knows anything. Some are more obvious than others
[01:35] <pengwens> ty
[01:35] <pragmaticenigma> pengwens, if you use a command that ubottu doesn't know, the bot will PM you to tell you it doesn't know anyhting
[01:36] <pengwens> it looks like !help does the same thing as !ask
[01:37] <dax> there's a list of all ubottu factoids at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[01:37] <Vic2> I just reinstalled Ubuntu 16.04 ... was using 14.04 ... I am having difficulties getting x11vnc server to work the way it did before and searching Google is only getting me more and more confused and frustrated.  Can someone help me straighten this out?
[01:39] <pragmaticenigma> Do you have your original configuration somewhere, or can you be specific of what your finding isn't working. Vic2 ?
[01:41] <Vic2> Sadly, I do not have anything with original configuration or even how I set it up initially ...the remote desktop is low res where it should be more like 1280x1024.  When I had the monitor plugged in it seemed ok, but after removing the monitor the desktop is too small.
[01:42] <Vic2> to be more specific, I am running one PC headless and connecting to it via another w/tightvnc.
[01:43] <pragmaticenigma> ah, i used to know this one... do you use vnc to authenticate, Vic2 ?
[01:45] <Vic2> I am doing it with no authentication
[01:48] <Vic2> @pragmaticenigma -- I am doing it with no authentication set to start  at boot before login.
[01:49] <pragmaticenigma> Vic2, this article might help get you setup and running https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04
[01:49] <pragmaticenigma> it's been a long time since I needed to do headless like that
[01:50] <Vic2> Ahh a DO tutorial ... they usually are awesome.  I will check it out, thanks.
[01:54] <Randolf> I'm a NetBSD user who is looking at getting into Linux, and most of the people I know are highly recommending Ubuntu.  So, I'm trying to figure out whether I should be downloading 16.04 or 17.10.  I'm inclined to think that the newest version is probably the best place to start, but the web site
[01:54] <Randolf> Which version of Ubuntu server would be the better one to start with?  Thanks.
[01:54] <Randolf> makes it look like 17.10 won't be supported for very long.
[01:55] <bazhang> Randolf, considering that 18.04 comes out next month, and 17.10 is only 9mos support ending soon
[01:55] <wedgie> Randolf: 16.04 is an LTS release. the others (until 18.04 is released in april) are only supported for a few months
[01:56] <bazhang> nine, to be exact
[01:57] <wedgie> my personal preference is to stick with the LTS releases because doing a major upgrade at *least* every 9 months is too much for my tastes. But the non-lts releases will get you newer stuff, to be sure.
[01:57] <wedgie> if you just want to play with it then either is probably fine
[01:58] <kostkon> Randolf, both versions are upgradeable to 18.04 though, assuming that you will upgrade when 18.04 comes out
[01:59] <tblake3> Strange problem, I can use firefox to get to google.com but no other websites. I can't ping anything from the terminal "connect: Network is unreachable" but I can resolveip google.com. Can't ping 172.217.1.238, network is unreachable. Help?
[02:01] <Randolf> Does "LTS" mean "Long Term Stable?"
[02:01] <dax> Long Term Support
[02:02] <Randolf> At least I got 2/3 right.  :)
[02:02] <Randolf> I'll stick with the LTS releases then.  Thank you.
[02:02] <Randolf> I have a client who is on Ubuntu 4.4.0 SMP.
[02:02] <Randolf> I'm guessing that's pretty old.
[02:03] <dax> that sounds like the kernel version, Ubuntu release versions are year.month
[02:03] <Randolf> Oh, okay.
[02:03] <Randolf> How can I find out which version of Ubuntu is running if the kernel is separate from that?
[02:03] <wedgie> look in /etc/issue
[02:04] <wedgie> but based on the kernel, that's probably 16.04
[02:04] <Randolf> Ah, yes, 16.04.2 LTS.
[02:05] <wedgie> can also look at what repos are configured in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:05] <Randolf> There's also this after LTS:  \n \1
[02:05] <Randolf> Thank you.
[02:05] <Randolf> It's good to see, at least, that my new client's Linux is a recent version.
[02:06] <wedgie> yeah, that's the current LTS. The next one is scheduled for release next month. LTS's get released every 2 years
[02:07] <wedgie> well, i guess 16.04.3 is technically current, but that's not a major upgrade
[02:07] <Randolf> Yeah.
[02:07] <Randolf> I figure that 16.05.<something> would be somewhere between minor and major.
[02:08] <Bashing-om> Randolf: Consider to get that server up to date. current " sysop@x1604:~$ cat /etc/issue >> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS \n \l " . That server is 2 release points behind .
[02:09] <Randolf> Bashing-om:  We're planning to replace it because it's running on a cloud service that's not working out.  So, the new system will be current.
[02:10] <Randolf> I'll probably attempt an upgrade just before pulling the plug for the experience though.  :)
[02:10] <wedgie> Randolf: you'll probably be underwhelmed. Most likely all you'll need is ''apt-get dist-upgrade && reboot'' :P
[02:17] <Lfour> Hi
[02:18] <Lfour> Looking for a channel to talk about text based games.
[02:21] <Randolf> wedgie:  That's fantastic.  (I'm making some notes.)
[02:21] <Randolf> wedgie:  Is it not so straight-forward for major upgrades?
[02:22] <jiveturkey> motownphillys back again
[02:22] <jiveturkey> doin a little east coast fling
[02:22] <jiveturkey> Boyz II Men going off
[02:22] <jiveturkey> Not too hard, not too soft.
[02:24] <jiveturkey> I majorly upgraded. I dropped in a core 2 duo 4 gigs of ram and a 7200 hard drive with a bios upgrade on my hp pavilion dual pentium!
[02:25] <jiveturkey> I am currently running xubuntu and loving it.
[02:26] <jiveturkey> life is good.
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf, it's easier with a gui, but also possible with command line. It's a special command that invokes the major version update
[02:28] <tieinv> !alis | Lfour
[02:28] <administrador> hello, forcompiling a program with make, how do yo install it so I can select it from the menu.?
[02:29] <pragmaticenigma> administrador, this article may help you out: https://askubuntu.com/questions/224004/how-to-add-programs-to-the-launcher
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> administrador, look at the second response in that article.
[02:31] <Randolf> pragmaticenigma:  I've always preferred command-line, so I'll be getting into that aspect of things more.
[02:31] <Randolf> On Net
[02:32] <administrador> Randolf, I was hoping for a make install thing...
[02:32] <Randolf> On NetBSD the "pf" firewall is what I've been using (along with "pftop" and all the ALTQ modules).  Dose Ubuntu support pf being compiled into the kernel, or does it use something else?
[02:32] <Randolf> administrador:  Hmm?
[02:33] <Randolf> s/Dose/Does/
[02:34] <administrador> Randolf, I am going to compile Blender, the last step is "make", but that will make me "cd" to go to /the/path/where/blender/is instead of selecting it from the menu
[02:34] <pragmaticenigma> administrador, Randolf isn't currently responding to your comments
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> administrador, they were responding to a conversation they and i were having earlier
[02:35] <administrador> pragmaticenigma, oh...
[02:35] <Randolf> administrador:  I'm new to Ubuntu, and I'm just trying to find out a few things about it.  :)
[02:35] <Randolf> Blender's a great tool though.
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf, it's possible it's available, I haven't done much outside of ufw, which is the default firewall in Ubuntu
[02:36] <Randolf> Okay.
[02:36] <Randolf> Is ufw part of the kernel?
[02:36] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf, "do-release-upgrade" is the command in Ubuntu for command line upgrades. Always be sure to back things up before upgrades! :-)
[02:37] <Randolf> Backups are important on a regular basis, not just at the time of backups.  :)
[02:37] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf, I'm not sure if it is. I think both might just be a package to make modifying iptables less cumbersome?
[02:38] <Randolf> pragmaticenigma:  Okay.  I'll have to look into that.  With NetBSD I always compile a custom kernel with pf in it.
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> Randolf, it probably is possible. really anything is possible, the power of the kernel :-)
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> okay sleep time for me... stupid Daylight Saving time... grumble grumble
[02:40] <guiverc> ufw (uncomplicated firewall) isn't part of the kernel; its a front end to iptables or the real firewall inside the kernel https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewall
[02:47] <Randolf> guiverc:  Ah, so iptables is part of the kernel already?
[02:47] <Randolf> I've heard many good things about iptables.
[02:47] <guiverc> has been for years...  it's the linux firewall
[02:48] <Randolf> Great.
[02:48] <guiverc> i'm no expert; but I've not really used ufw; i use iptables commands (which means terminal - ufw and otehr front ends allow gui)
[02:50] <Randolf> With pf there's a /etc/pf.conf file that is used to configure the firewall.  Does iptables have an equivalent configuration file under /etc/ somewhere?  Such as /etc/iptables.conf?
[02:51] <guiverc> netfilter [nftables] is to {has?} replace iptables - which means if you use front end you can ignore differences for easy use cases
[02:53] <apes> I tried installing the Canonical Kubernetes installation via conjure-up. Now I've got LXD causing a hard lock on my Ubuntu host when it starts up -- anyone have thoughts on what may be going on?  I've put CPU/Memory/Task limits on the service, and it's still hard-locking.
[02:54] <guiverc> Randolf, yes it did have (equiv. to pf.conf), but I don't recall what it is (i remember editing it years ago) but its changed & i've not kept up sorry.
[02:54] <Randolf> guiverc:  That's great.  I'll look into it and figure it out myself..
[02:55] <diogenes> hey i got a question
[02:55] <diogenes> does ubuntu still have spyware
[02:56] <diogenes> in 16.04
[02:56] <guiverc> diogenes, ubuntu never had spyware, so sorry, I have no idea what you mean?
[02:56] <diogenes> it did have spyware from amazon
[02:56] <diogenes> idk if it was removed
[02:56] <diogenes> some sources say it was some say it wasnt
[02:57] <dax> it was.
[02:57] <guiverc> that was not spyware; canonical (the company behind & support ubuntu) got some money for anonymous info sent to amazon; but it was sent anonymous which doesn't fit the definition of spyware
[02:58] <guiverc> it was easily turned off or disabled.  ubuntu isn't windoze
[02:58] <diogenes> i remember it was like that by default
[02:59] <diogenes> anyway thanks for the help
[03:00] <dax> (to be clear: i mean it was removed. i'm uninterested in whether or not one calls it spyware :)
[03:00] <dax> (there's still a link to amazon on the dash, but it doesn't do any info snarfing, it's just a link)
[03:02] <Vic2> What is the URL to find the current version of a package available in the repository?k45wbhi2
[03:02] <Vic2> k45wbhi2
[03:02] <gioan> hello
[03:03] <gioan> i am using 32bit my system
[03:03] <keeger> ugh i hate 17.10
[03:03] <Randolf> keeger:  Why?
[03:03] <diogenes> 16.04 master race
[03:03] <keeger> i keep getting random DNS failures to lookup urls, like yahoo.com
[03:03] <gioan> i want to convert to 64 bit, no need install new, what i to do?
[03:04] <keeger> it's started ever since i switched to a static IP
[03:04] <keeger> which in itself was a PITA
[03:04] <diogenes> u got to install the 64 bit iso
[03:04] <diogenes> and backup ur data
[03:04] <guiverc> Vic2, https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=htop  (to look up htop)
[03:04] <Randolf> keeger:  Do you run a local caching DNS server and use that as your resolver?
[03:04] <keeger> i just feel like 17.10 is 10 steps back on networking
[03:04] <apes> 18.04 will be superior
[03:04] <keeger> i used whatever the default was
[03:05] <keeger> apes: that's an easy bar to hit with 17.10
[03:05] <Randolf> keeger:  What's in your /etc/resolv.conf file?
[03:05] <keeger> nameserver 8.8.8.8  nameserver 8.8.4.4
[03:05] <diogenes> what irc client is the best
[03:05] <Randolf> keeger:  Those are Google's DNS servers.
[03:05] <keeger> diogenes, i like xchat
[03:06] <keeger> Randolf, yeah
[03:06] <keeger> lol
[03:06] <Randolf> They're stable.
[03:06] <keeger> my problem is the systemd-resolved doesn't seem to be running
[03:06] <apes> keeger: Are you maybe getting network failures?
[03:06] <Randolf> keeger:  I always run my own caching DNS server, then set /etc/resolve.conf to point to 127.0.0.1.
[03:06] <keeger> i installed dnsmasq
[03:06] <keeger> and i disabled systemd-resolved and used that
[03:06]  * Randolf looks into dnsmasq...
[03:06] <keeger> and it has the same issue
[03:06] <guiverc> diogenes, that's a personal opinion question; whatever you like most.. i stick with hexchat myself (irc software)
[03:07] <diogenes> i had xchat before on winshit
[03:07] <diogenes> yea im using hexchat right now its not bad
[03:07] <apes> I like irssi
[03:07] <Randolf> keeger:  Does your DNS problem persist even when dnsmasq is out of the picture?
[03:07] <jiveturkey> omg i have syncterm up glowing ascii on my screen
[03:08] <guiverc> diogenes, xchat is a ~dead project; hexchat was a fork of xchat & is active :)
[03:08] <Randolf> jiveturkey:  You could throw Midnight Commander (mc) in there for good measure.  :)
[03:08] <jiveturkey> I am going to L.O.R.D.
[03:08] <keeger> yeah i disabled dnsmasq and re-enabled systemd-resolved
[03:08] <keeger> and now i have zero dns working
[03:08] <diogenes> oh fair enough ty
[03:08] <gioan> hello
[03:08] <Randolf> Hello gioan.
[03:09] <gioan> i want to convert to 64 bit, no need install new, what i to do?
[03:09] <diogenes> ...
[03:09] <cfhowlett> install 64 bit ubuntu.  no conversion option other than that
[03:09] <diogenes> download the 64 bit iso
[03:09] <keeger> in order to get a static ip to work, i had to disable network manager
[03:09] <diogenes> back up ur files
[03:10] <diogenes> format and reinstall
[03:10] <par4g0n> gioan: You can't upgrade to a different architecture. You'll need to perform a fresh installation of Ubuntu 64-bit
[03:10] <keeger> or maybe i am using network manager now?  i can't even tell
[03:10] <Randolf> keeger:  It shouldn't matter whether you have a static IP or a dynamic IP (DHCP) as long as you have the gateway portion set up correctly.
[03:11] <keeger> i set the ip using a yaml file in /etc/netplan
[03:11] <keeger> well i had no dns issues when it was DHCP
[03:11] <keeger> hmm
[03:11] <Randolf> Oh, well, DHCP might have been changing your DNS servers.
[03:11] <Randolf> DHCP clients will normally do that.
[03:12] <keeger> my router is configured to use google DNS as well
[03:12] <Randolf> Is your internet provider TELUS?
[03:12] <keeger> i've never had this problem with ubuntu prior to 17.10
[03:12] <guiverc> gioan, your user settings will survive re-install to x86_64, but all apps & system programs need to start again.  but please backup your data regarldess.
[03:12] <keeger> no, at&t
[03:12] <Randolf> Okay.
[03:12] <Randolf> If it was TELUS then the problem would be that they don't actually support static IP addresses, even though they'll bill you for them.
[03:13] <Randolf> On TELUS the static IP will work for about an hour and then it will stop working.
[03:13] <Randolf> Switch back to DHCP and everything's fine.
[03:13] <Randolf> I wonder if AT&T is doing something silly like that.
[03:13] <Randolf> But you mentioned that you have a router.
[03:13] <Randolf> Is it a NAT/firewall router?
[03:13] <keeger> the dhcp is my local router not an at&t router
[03:13] <Randolf> Okay.
[03:13] <keeger> it's something with ubuntu heh
[03:13] <Randolf> So, your static IP is internal, and just to connect with your router.
[03:14] <keeger> yeah i'm doing  a web server, and i want it static so i can expose it via the router firewall
[03:14] <Randolf> Of course.
[03:14] <keeger> and apparently 17.10 decided to make that shit harder.  used to be i'd set the stuff in interfaces
[03:15] <Randolf> Does your router allow you to specify permanent assignments with DHCP?  The good ones do.
[03:15] <keeger> probably
[03:15] <Randolf> Well, then at least you have that option to get things working if you find that DHCP works but static does not.
[03:16] <keeger> well dnsmasq seems to be working now
[03:17] <keeger> weird
[03:17] <Randolf> Did you switch from DHCP to a different static IP?
[03:18] <keeger> i didn't change that.  i turned of DNNSEC in resolved and turned cache on
[03:18] <keeger> and it still failed, then i started dnsmasq and it works
[03:18] <Randolf> I mean earlier, when you switched from DHCP to static.
[03:19] <keeger> yeah it was a diff ip
[03:19] <Randolf> Okay.
[03:19] <Randolf> Your router was probably trying to send some traffic to the wrong place.  I've seen this problem before.  It's usually solved by power cycling the router.
[03:20] <Randolf> The problem is that your router will know what's in its DHCP leases, and its own arp tables.
[03:20] <Randolf> Power cycling forces that to start from scratch.
[03:20] <Randolf> Some routers have this problem, and some don't.
[03:21] <Randolf> When you set a static IP, your router doesn't know that you're no longer using the DHCP-assigned address.
[03:21] <keeger> the ip i assigned was never assigned via DHCP
[03:21] <Randolf> Right.
[03:21] <Randolf> Your router probably still thinks your server has the DHCP-assigned IP before you switched to static.
[03:21] <keeger> i hope not
[03:21] <keeger> but i need to test that
[03:21] <Randolf> With DHCP there is a negotiation that takes place between the client and the server.
[03:22] <Randolf> With a static IP there is no such negotiation.
[03:22] <Randolf> Normally it's not a problem unless there's something peculiar about the IP stack implementation in the router, or the arp tables get messed up.
[03:23] <Randolf> ...or the routing tables.
[03:23] <keeger> it's an asus nighthawk router.  i doubt it has has a weird implementation
[03:23] <keeger> but i can't find the existing tables
[03:23] <Randolf> No, you won't.
[03:24] <Randolf> The router knows them, but most "el cheapo" routers won't provide any way to see them.
[03:24] <Randolf> Power it off for 5 or 10 seconds, then see if everything is working properly after that.
[03:24] <keeger> it's been powered off several times
[03:24] <keeger> we lose power like once a week lol
[03:25] <Randolf> Since you switched from DHCP to static IP?
[03:25] <Vic2> I am connecting to a remote machine via tightvnc ... the remote machine is running x11vncserver.  Now, HOW do I tell the remote machine to keep the desktop geometry of the monitor that is plugged in to it once it is unplugged?
[03:25] <keeger> yeah. and wtf
[03:25] <keeger> i just found another device on my network has that IP!
[03:25] <Randolf> Oh.  There you go.
[03:26] <Randolf> Yeah, that's bound to cause all sorts of problems.
[03:26] <keeger> jeesus that is crazy
[03:26] <Randolf> Is your static IP outside of the DHCP range?
[03:26] <keeger> no
[03:26] <Randolf> Then the DHCP server is going to assign it without caring.
[03:26] <keeger> i picked .150.  figured it was far away from .1
[03:26] <keeger> i gotta find my mac addy heh
[03:27] <Randolf> If your DHCP range was, say, 10.1.1.100-10.1.1.250, then you could pick 10.1.1.38 and you'd be fine.
[03:28] <keeger> ah
[03:28] <keeger> ifconfig -a is not showing me a hwaddr line
[03:28] <keeger> grr
[03:28] <Randolf> Just pick your favourite number for the last octet, and then you won't even have to worry about permanent DHCP assignments.
[03:30] <Randolf> I see "HWaddr" in the output of the first line on my system.
[03:33] <keeger> Randolf,  you running 17?
[03:34] <keeger> apparently i have 17.10 on both boxes
[03:34] <keeger> i found my mac addy in the network manager file
[03:36] <Vic2> I am connecting to a remote machine via tightvnc ... the remote machine is running x11vncserver.  Now, HOW do I tell the remote machine to keep the desktop geometry of the monitor that is plugged in to it once it is unplugged?
[03:37] <Randolf> keeger:  No, I'm not running it at all.  I have a client who's running 16 but I don't count that one because I've not done very much on that system yet aside from fixing the eMail server.
[03:37] <keeger> Randolf, I know it used to show up before.  ah well
[03:37] <keeger> i think i'll change my dhcp roof and put my statics in there
[03:37] <Randolf> One thing I like about NetBSD is that I can use "ifconfig -av" to list all the details and bandwidth used.
[03:38] <keeger> can't believe someone else got that ip lol
[03:38] <keeger> I was going to install freebsd
[03:38] <Randolf> The -v switch doesn't seem to be available in Ubuntu.
[03:38] <keeger> but my dev tools dont really work well on it
[03:39] <Randolf> I've been using NetBSD for close to 20 years now.  Ubuntu Server LTS 16 will be my serious introduction to Linux.
[03:39] <Randolf> Does Ubuntu support partitions larger than 2 TBs?
[03:39] <cfhowlett> it does
[03:39] <Randolf> That's great.
[03:39] <cfhowlett> might want to intro yourself to the #ubuntu-server channel
[03:40] <Randolf> cfhowlett:  NetBSD has a limitation in this, and I need to use a sharding kludge.  Hopefully I don't need to do this with Ubuntu.
[03:40] <Randolf> Okay, I'll take a look at that channel.  Thank you.
[03:40] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[03:41] <Randolf> I've got some 4 TB and 8 TB hard drives that I've been ignoring.
[03:46] <thedanyes> I'm trying to set up a second X screen, and everything is working except I can't type in any applications on the second screen. FYI - running 16.04 LTS with Unity and NVIDIA GTX 780.
[03:47] <Randolf> keeger:  How is your DNS resolution and networking working now?
[03:48] <keeger> Randolf, a lot better
[03:48] <keeger> dnsmasq seems to have fixed the dns
[03:48] <keeger> and fixing the static ip fixed my other issue, which was my port forwarding wasn't getting to me all the time
[03:48] <keeger> whew
[03:49] <keeger> if you hadn't gotten me to look at the router dhcp table, i wouldn't have seen it
[03:49] <thedanyes> I've been googling this for about 2 hours now. Any advice?
[03:49] <keeger> thedanyes, what do you mean you can't type in?
[03:50] <Randolf> keeger:  Excellent!  So, it's not Ubuntu 17 after all.  :)
[03:50] <keeger> Randolf, oh ubuntu 17 was still bad for DHCP
[03:50] <thedanyes> keeger: I mean keyboard input isn't coming through to applications on the second screen.
[03:51] <thedanyes> keeger: mouse works fine thoug
[03:51] <keeger> i had been ignoring the issues cuz they were sporadic, but i thought it was interfering with the other problem, so i figured i'd tackle it
[03:52] <keeger> thedanyes, is the window focused?  i don't know Unity, but if you click in the window with the mouse and type without moving pointer, does it still not work?
[03:52] <thedanyes> yeah window is focused and i kept the pointer over it
[03:53] <keeger> then that is the oddest behavior i've heard of yet
[03:53] <keeger> with 16.04, shouldn't setting up a 2nd screen simply been plug it in, and configure it to extend and not mirror?
[03:53] <keeger> i seem to recall it's pretty plug and play since 14
[03:54] <Randolf> keeger:  Well, for DHCP wouldn't that be the DHCP Client software?
[03:54] <thedanyes> keeger: yeah it's simple if i want to do it with xinerama or nvidia twinview or whatever, but i wanted the functionality of the separate X screen
[03:54] <keeger> Randolf, default in 17.10 is the systemd-resolved though.  i don't think it was the default in 16
[03:54] <keeger> and it seems..eh
[03:54] <keeger> i'm not a systemd fan
[03:56] <keeger> thedanyes, oooh.  you are running 2 X's?
[03:56] <Randolf> I'm going to have to learn systemd.
[03:56] <thedanyes> keeger: not 2 X servers, only 2 X screens
[03:56] <thedanyes> keeger: like :0.0 and :0.1
[03:57] <keeger> thedanyes, ah yeah.  my X days are long ago
[03:59] <thedanyes> keeger: latest thing i've tried is starting compiz specifically on the second screen "DISPLAY=:0.1 compiz &". some guy in the ubuntu forums said it worked for him back in 2011, but it crashes compiz for me.
[04:00] <thedanyes> keeger: interesting error message though, "Xlib:  extension "XINERAMA" missing on display ":0.1"."
[04:00] <keeger> thedanyes, yeah i saw that.  seems to imply the window manager is the culprit
[04:01] <keeger> thedanyes, what is wrong with the default setup in 16 though?  i seem to recall it was pretty straightforward
[04:01] <thedanyes> keeger: main thing is unity lags like crazy with the whole thing 'as one screen'
[04:02] <keeger> thedanyes, ah.  you can always dump unity :p
[04:02] <thedanyes> keeger: my main monitor is 2560x1600 and the secondary is 1920x1080, so something about that virtual resolution of ~3480x1600  just makes it hate life
[04:02] <Vic2> I am connecting to a remote machine via tightvnc ... the remote machine is running x11vncserver.  Now, HOW do I tell the remote machine to keep the desktop geometry of the monitor that is plugged in to it once it is unplugged?
[04:03] <keeger> thedanyes, ah, right.
[04:03] <thedanyes> keeger: secondarily though, the second screen is one i'd like to just turn off most of the time, and I only use it for like one application
[04:04] <thedanyes> keeger: so a second X screen i could start an application on from a terminal, and yet have it not interfere with anything else, is pretty ideal
[04:05] <keeger> thedanyes, sure.  is your xorg.conf up somewhere?
[04:06] <thedanyes> keeger: https://pastebin.com/nnGG9SLw
[04:07] <thedanyes> keeger: it's generated by nvidia-settings, based on what I set in the GUI - I haven't modified the file by hand at all
[04:08] <keeger> seems like it should work
[04:11] <keeger> are you using virtualbox?
[04:11] <thedanyes> keeger: no... well i think i may have it installed, but not using it
[04:11] <thedanyes> keeger: i have virtualbox and vmware player both installed, but neither running
[04:12] <keeger> if it's not running then this post i found dosn't spply
[04:13] <thedanyes> keeger: actually, i see vmware has some random background processes that are running: vmware-usbarbitrator, vmware-vmblock-fuse, and vmware-authdlauncher
[04:15] <keeger> thedanyes, are you using xrandr?
[04:15] <keeger> found something in a thread that might help
[04:16] <keeger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/661450
[04:16] <keeger> about halfwary down.  do a search for xrandr
[04:17] <keeger> i wish you luck with it
[04:17] <keeger> dual monitor setups can be tricky
[04:17] <keeger> you might want to consider just not using unity
[04:17] <cfhowlett> this!  ^^^
[04:17] <keeger> i usually install KDE (i love Dolphin) but I run i3
[04:18] <thedanyes> keeger: I've tried xrandr a few times in troubleshooting this, but not normally. I think everything gets set in my xorg.conf
[04:18] <thedanyes> keeger: yeah i might switch, but i love everything else about unity.
[04:18] <thedanyes> keeger: I'm really not looking forward to gnome on 18.04 LTS
[04:19] <keeger> i don't like gnome either
[04:19] <thedanyes> keeger: Unity has great keyboard shortcuts, and gnome... not so much...
[04:19] <keeger> i3 really makes me happy
[04:21] <keeger> man, i'm so glad i got my network fixed.  i dont even have to configure haproxy now, nginx config works
[04:21] <Draconiator> I noticed something weird with Xubuntu....even when I found the Nvidia drivers for my graphics card, it seems to run even slower than my usual setup...
[04:21] <keeger> Draconiator, the nvidia binary drivers or the open source ones?
[04:22] <keeger> nvidia binary drivers always worked best for me
[04:22] <Draconiator> Open source, said they were tested and I'm not comfy with running untested software.
[04:22] <keeger> in fact, i swear I thought i saw an article a month ago where it was shown Nvidia has switches in their hardware, and if it's not their binary driver, it slows down the card performance
[04:23] <thedanyes> nvidia binary is probably a lot more tested than the open nvidia driver, i think it shares a lot of its code base with the windows version
[04:24] <thedanyes> Though you do lose the open source, so that sucks.
[04:26] <keeger> aight i'm out for sleep.  night guys.
[04:26] <keeger> Randolf, thanks for the help tonight
[04:26] <Randolf> keeger:  You're welcome.
[04:27] <Randolf> (And I'm new here.  Ha ha!)
[04:30] <Draconiator> I guess I am using a binary driver....interestinggggg
[04:31] <thedanyes> Draconiator: when you say 'seems to run [...] slower' what are you talking about? 3D benchmarks? dragging windows around?
[04:31] <Draconiator> General gaming.
[04:32] <Draconiator> I noticed slowdown in games I haven't noticed with Win10
[04:32] <thedanyes> Draconiator: ahh. well some games are slower in linux, some are faster.
[04:33] <apes> In general, you'll probably see slower performance in Linux, because the games and drivers are usually optimized for windows
[04:33] <apes> It's nothing inherent to linux
[04:34] <thedanyes> Has anyone tried Trinity Desktop on Ubuntu?
[04:34] <thedanyes> I'm thinking when Ubuntu goes to gnome, I might give Trinity a shot.
[04:36] <ShriHari> Oye
[04:36] <Orbitur> How might one change a read-only environment variable in bash without access to gdb (ptrace_scope = 1)?
[04:36] <EriC^^> Orbitur: try #bash perhaps?
[04:37] <Orbitur> good idea
[04:39] <altmount> I oppose
[04:40] <Randolf> altmount:  What do you oppose?
[04:41] <EriC^^> noooo
[04:44] <thedanyes> Hey I figured out a workaround for my issue.
[04:44] <thedanyes> In case anyone may have a similar problem.
[04:44] <thedanyes> I installed openbox and started it on the second X Screen.
[04:44] <Randolf> thedanyes:  What was the issue?
[04:45] <thedanyes> Randolf: I wasn't able to get keyboard input into applications on my second X Screen.
[04:46] <thedanyes> This somewhat-related forum post gave me the idea. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=229039
[04:46] <thedanyes> Ironic, the OP posted he was able to run two instances of compiz and he was happy. That definitely was not working for me. :)
[04:47] <Randolf> I haven't been using GUIs in Unix all these years.  I probably will at some point with Ubuntu, but only after I've learned it well enough without a GUI.
[04:48] <Randolf> I think it's awesome that you're sharing the solution you found though.
[04:48] <thedanyes> Thanks :)
[04:48] <thedanyes> Randolf: How do you browse the web without a GUI? Lynx?
[04:48] <cfhowlett> !browser
[04:49] <Randolf> thedanyes:  I use Opera on my laptop.  The usage I intend with Ubuntu at this point is in a server context that will be serving web sites rather than browsing them.
[04:49] <thedanyes> Randolf: got it. I used FreeBSD for years without a GUI for work.
[04:58] <doc|work> menow
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> doc|work: can we help you?
[04:58] <doc|work> sorry, fat finger moment
[05:00] <cfhowlett> doc|work, I too suffer from this affliction
[05:00] <doc|work> it's a terrible one :)
[05:04] <Vic2> I am a 14.04 user who just upgraded to 16.04 .... I run a program under wine with multiple instances of it open at one time.  In 14.04 the launcher would create ONE icon and if I right clicked, I would see a list of all the instances ... in 16.04 I get an individual icon for EACH instance ... how can I alter this behavior so that I get ONE not TWENTY icons?
[05:09] <thedanyes> I sometimes get some weird behavior with duplicate icons in the launcher too. I'm also on 16.04.
[05:14] <strength> where do the notifications from the screensaver login appear in ubuntu?
[05:21] <Guest68475> What is procces terminated status 255 in code block s
[05:21] <gde33> every time I leave my computer alone for a few hours it seems to put the entire interface into the swap? It starts without a mouse, after 3 minutes of supper slow motion I'm allowed to move it into the other monitor. Clicking things takes whole minutes. What is going on? Is it emptying memory onto disk?
[05:22] <gde33> it took 27 minutes for things to go back the way I left it.
[05:22] <exit70> Guest68475: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_status
[05:23] <gde33> One could argue it a measure of how bad my disk is but I would really like to see it just stay the way it was when left
[05:23] <gde33> would suspending help?
[05:23] <thedanyes> gde33: what kind of hardware?
[05:23] <gde33> crappy old quad core with spinning disk
[05:25] <thedanyes> gde33: only time i've really seen that is with virtualbox. are you running virtualbox?
[05:25] <gde33> I really dont like how user input doesn't have top priority. I dont care what it is doing I want mute to always work instantly so that I can answer the phone.
[05:25] <gde33> nope
[05:25] <thedanyes> gde33: how much ram and how much swap space?
[05:26] <gde33> I forget how much exactly but plenty of swap and 4 gb of ram in 64 bits mode
[05:26] <gde33> the disk is just old and slow
[05:27] <gde33> that doesn't change that I want the mouse mechanics to stay in memory not on the swap
[05:27] <thedanyes> gde33: if that happened to me, first thing i'd do is check htop to see cpu usage
[05:28] <thedanyes> gde33: then i'd run 'iostat 1' and see how much was being transferred to/from disk
[05:28] <gde33> its next to nothing by the time I get to run htop or system monitor
[05:29] <thedanyes> gde33: well wait, what was the 27 minutes?
[05:29] <gde33> it basicaly doesn't care what I want it has more important activities LOL
[05:30] <gde33> it is 1) a google chrome with 2 tabs, one of which my own rss aggregator that measures system resources and calms down when there are non.
[05:30] <gde33> 2) normal firefox with just the start tab
[05:31] <gde33> and 3) nightly with a bunch of video tabs
[05:31] <gde33> 4) transmission in turtle mode
[05:32] <thedanyes> gde33: hmm well you could try different browsers to troubleshoot. chrome takes a lot of RAM, and firefox isn't exactly known for it's low requirements either
[05:32] <thedanyes> gde33: i mean, a top-tier consumer SSD is only $100 in this day and age
[05:32] <gde33> I need to build a whole new pc that is why I havent bothered
[05:33] <gde33> the thing is really that everything works just fine until I give the system 8 hours to offload absolutly everything into the swap
[05:33] <thedanyes> gde33: if you get a SATA one it should work with your existing machine + forward compatible
[05:33] <gde33> including the mouse apparently
[05:34] <exit70> feels like some memory leak is probably going on
[05:35] <gde33> ill examine htop some more
[05:36] <gde33> Time+ is how much time something consumed?
[05:37] <thedanyes> gde33: maybe set up a ram warning? seems like something could be done with  grep /proc/meminfo  in a cron task
[05:39] <thedanyes> gde33: you might also go back through your dmesg log from the time it was unresponsive
[05:39] <thedanyes> gde33: could be something relevant there
[05:39] <rpifan> hello
[05:39] <rpifan> is there an ubuntu testing repo
[05:39] <ShriHari> stop blabbering about things you know nothing.
[05:40] <gde33> I found a deluge demon still running with a good amount of time+ time that could be responsible. I cant imagine that was also running previously but its worth killing.
[05:40] <ShriHari> install ubuntu 18.04 and you will get your testing repo
[05:41] <gde33> ill assume that was it for now. Human error lol
[05:41] <exit70> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/164653/actual-memory-usage-of-a-process
[05:41] <exit70> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/131303/how-to-measure-actual-memory-usage-of-an-application-or-process
[05:42] <exit70> sounds like measuring memory usage is hard
[05:43] <pikapika> So...I have fixed the issue more or less by booting with a live stick and changing the uuid of the old installation
[05:44] <pikapika> But it is still using the grub from the old partition.
[05:44] <pikapika> Is there any means to force usage of the new grub?
[05:44] <gde33> thedanyes: exit70: oh thanks ofc ;) almost forgot
[05:44] <ArseToasts> how did you install grub?
[05:45] <pikapika> ArseToast: The normal way. It used to be an Ubuntu dual booting with Windows. Then using I deleted Windows, copied the partition to the new space, shut down logged in to my old Ubuntu typed update-grub
[05:46] <exit70> "No space left on device" for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ :(
[05:46] <pikapika> Turns out it had the same uuid due to copying, so it was randomly booting whichever of the partitions it felt like, I fixed this by changing uuid. But now
[05:46] <pikapika> How do I make it use the grub of the new partition Linux?
[05:47] <ArseToasts> just reinstall.
[05:47] <ArseToasts> grub-install /dev/sd?
[05:47] <pikapika> Old Linux was in /dev/sda7 new is in /dev/sda1 (I didnt assign any separate partition for grub)
[05:48] <pikapika> Oh
[05:48] <pikapika> I see what you mean
[05:48] <ArseToasts> grub-install /dev/sda
[05:48] <pikapika> I'll try this...
[06:03] <Desktop_> Disconnected
[06:04] <Chuchuttta> hello
[06:08] <EriC^^> hi Chuchuttta
[06:10] <pikapika> Thanks it worked!
[06:29] <holper> :wq
[06:29] <altamount> wq!
[06:34] <altamount> :wq!
[06:35] <zzarr> Hmmm
[06:48] <ouyes> I can not see anything
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> ouyes: you joined the ubuntu support channel
[06:51] <blue1> !release | blue1
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> blue1: wich release are you looking for?
[06:52] <ouyes> lotuspsychje, ok, I get it, sorry, I just feel weird, this channel seemed to be very hot.
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> ouyes: it still is, but this works with several timezones
[06:55] <trapt_trapt> hello
[06:59] <ouyes> it seems kind of late in most users' local time.
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> ouyes: #ubuntu-discuss if you like to discuss it
[07:10] <Mrokii> Hi. This isn't Ubuntu-related, but does anybody know how to properly configure the Cantata mpd client? I have installed it, but have never tried out mpd before and trying to update Cantatas' database doesn't do anything.
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: well cantata is an official package in repos, so its supported here
[07:12] <Mrokii> Oh, okay.
[07:13] <Mrokii> Loshki: Thanks for clarifying that. :)
[07:13] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: Thanks for clarifying that. :)
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: there is also a #mpd channel if you like, perhaps they are used to this package?
[07:13] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: Okay, I will ask there, thank you.
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> Mrokii: see also the manpage for cantata?
[07:15] <Mrokii> lotuspsychje: Good idea, yeah.
[07:20] <Mrokii> the man page is pretty sparse, so it's of no use for me, as it seems. And the documention in khelpcenter doesn't seem to be available. Too bad.
[07:22] <pikapika> ArseToasts: The command did succesfully transfer the grub to the new partition (thank you!) but it appears it guessed wrong UUID for the old Linux. It appears to be a known bug but very ancient so dont know its current state. I googled around a bit and fixed it by disabling os prober, and copying a menu entry to 40_custom (and correcting its uuid obviously)
[07:23] <pikapika> Just putting this out for others who have the same problem
[07:23] <pikapika> Bug in question: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1065196
[07:25] <doomgiver> hello. i have several Q's about hard disks (i am not sure whether they are "healthy" so i am using ubuntu to check them before using)
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> doomgiver: smart test from disktools
[07:26] <doomgiver> Disks shows me a Read Error Rate of 138 million for a disk, and 87 million for disk 2
[07:27] <doomgiver> is this "normal"? i have not yet mounted anything, running ubuntu off usb.
[07:27] <doomgiver> hm ok
[07:28] <doomgiver> @lotuspsychje disktools = Disks? or its a cli tool?
[07:34] <Mrokii> Just for future reference. I think I solved the problem. It seems that it wasn't enough to set the proper music folder in Cantata. I also had to set the correct path in /etc/mpd.conf. Now the database is updated and my music collection is available.
[07:40] <guiverc> doomgiver, i think lotuspsychje meant smartmontools (package installed which provide `smartctl` to read status of your disks from drive electronics themselves  https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?smartmontools
[07:41] <ducasse> doomgiver: guiverc the smart data is also available from gnome disks iirc
[07:41] <guiverc> okay - sorry lotuspsychje & thanks ducasse -- its a cli tool doomgiver & thus probably why its the only one I know  (my bad!)
[07:43] <ducasse> i prefer smartctl, but if doomgiver prefers a gui then 'disks' will work
[07:46] <doomgiver> ok thanks
[07:46] <Mrokii> Here's another problem that's been bothering me for a while. I have at least one HD that doesn't get mounted automatically when the system boots. I'm running Kubuntu and in system preferences I activated the switches for "automount on login" and "automount on attach". But still, I have to manually click on the HD-entry in Dolphins' sidebar for it to get mounted and accessible.
[07:48] <Mrokii> Question basically is what system-config-file I should edit, and in which way, so that the HD is actually mounted automatically with system boot.
[07:49] <ducasse> !fstab
[07:58] <doomgiver> ducasse , im unable to view the disk. tried fdisk -l, disks and gparted.
[07:58] <OlofL> Only every third or fourth time I plug in my headphones in my laptop I get good audio quality. The other times it sounds like im inside a barrel. I just keep unplugg and plugging in until it works
[07:58] <doomgiver> hot swapping disks is possible in ubuntu? or i must restart?
[07:58] <guest-n1g9u4> hi
[07:58] <OlofL> Im on ubuntu 1710 btw
[07:59] <guest-n1g9u4> i'm on mate
[07:59] <Haris> hello all
[07:59] <ducasse> OlofL: it's possible if your hardware supports it
[07:59] <ducasse> sorry, OlofL - not intended for you
[08:00] <ducasse> doomgiver: it's possible if your hardware supports it
[08:00] <doomgiver> hmmm, let me try it then.
[08:00] <Haris> Ubuntu's made it hard for me to not be able to have more apache workers. How do I increase values to configure more workers for apache, such that Ubuntu doesn't have a problem with it ?
[08:01] <Haris> On other distros' I'm confident that when I configure something. It works. On Ubuntu mostly I find out that I have to configure the same thing somewhere else. I have to toil in confusion, rather than be done with the work
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> Haris: perhaps question for #httpd?
[08:04] <doomgiver_> ok, i restarted and the disk is being detected. however, its unning REALLY hot (50* vs 40* of another disk)
[08:04] <Mrokii> ducasse: Thanks for the fstab-tip. I think I got it working now. Will know after the next reboot I guess, as "mount -a" seems to mount the drive properly
[08:06] <doomgiver_> thanks guys! appreciate the help/.
[08:08] <doomgiver_> ok, it says the disk is OK... do i believe it, lol?
[08:08] <doomgiver_> and THIS disk has an eror rate of 4... compared to 87 million of the other disk....
[08:10] <himadri_> hello
[08:11] <himadri_> I'm trying to change splash screen on ubuntu 17.10 . Everything worked fine except I see first a purple blank screen for a second before my new splash screen.
[08:12] <himadri_> I don't understand why is it happening. Can anyone help me with this ?
[08:13] <tomreyn> doomgiver_you can run short or (better) long self tests on those disks
[08:13] <tomreyn> doomgiver_: ^
[08:15] <doomgiver_> ok thank you, wil try those.
[08:15] <tomreyn> smartctl -t long /dev/sdX
[08:19] <doomgiver_> ok, RIP. i am trying to create new partitions on the drive, and both disks and gparted are unable to do so.
[08:20] <doomgiver_> disks crashed with SIGSEGV in g_dbus_object_get_interface() so i think its some sort of read/write error?
[08:24] <tomreyn> dmesg might tell
[08:24] <doomgiver_> hmm... the error happens only in the 2nd half of the drive... odd.
[08:25] <doomgiver_> how do i see dmesg?
[08:25] <tomreyn> better use smartmontools from a terminal so you'll have proper feedback on errors.
[08:25] <tomreyn> dmesg -T
[08:26] <doomgiver_> "ATA bus error" i think the drive is toast at this point.
[08:26] <absolute512> Hi every1. I'm having a problem with SSH. I cannot connect to servers outside of my own network. It works if I VPN to my workplace though. I can pastebin the logs if desired
[08:26] <tomreyn> either the drive, the cable or the controller,yes
[08:26] <doomgiver_> well, atleast it didnt have important stuff on it.
[08:27] <tomreyn> doomgiver_: you seem to lack a proper backup strategy.
[08:27] <doomgiver_> what are backups?
[08:27] <doomgiver_> :')
[08:28] <ShriHari> doomgiver_: you seem to lack a proper backup strategy
[08:28] <absolute512> I have tried this on three different machines both with WiFi and ethernet connections. I've also tried with flushing DNS, static IP, rebooting everything (I mean every device in the chain)... I cannot understand it
[08:28] <Haris> how do I increase mpm workers ? everytime I do, I get warning about ServerLimit. When I increase ServerLimit, it has no affect on config. This is Ubuntu 14.04
[08:28] <tomreyn> absolute512: logs should help if accompanied by a description of your network
[08:28] <Frankfurt_Soup> hey guys, i know its not ubuntu but is there a way to auto login with hexchat?
[08:29] <absolute512> fst https://pastebin.com/aerr4ec5
[08:30] <ShriHari> stibium
[08:30] <Triffid_Hunter> absolute512: looks like it connects just fine.. maybe your reverse dns is broken and the servers stall for ages during login?
[08:30] <absolute512> snd: I have a DSL modem, behind it a pfsense and a managed router. I have two networks, a 192... and a 10.... for a VPN
[08:31] <doomgiver_> ShriHari: wish i had enough storage for my CURRENT needs :D
[08:31] <doomgiver_> backup is a pipe dream
[08:31] <tomreyn> Frankfurt_Soup: "Connect to this network automatically" in the irc network profile.
[08:31] <doomgiver_> and for some reason im unable to start smartmontools.... i dont think it is being installed correctly
[08:31] <doomgiver_> you're supposed to "sudo apt-get install smartmontools", correct?
[08:32] <doomgiver_> it stops at "setting up smartmontools (6.4..... etc)
[08:33] <Haris> where do I configure serverlimit in apache on ubuntu 14.04 such that it accepts it
[08:33] <Frankfurt_Soup> tomreyn ok thanks
[08:35] <Haris> where does ubuntu keep the serverlimit config for apache ?
[08:35] <Haris> Its not under /etc/apache2 on 14.04
[08:35] <Haris> is it under /etc/default ?
[08:36] <tomreyn> Haris: i don't run 14.04 anymore, but i think it was in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf while you could also place such instrcutions in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ (overruling those of apache2.conf)
[08:37] <Haris> I have zero search result for running egrep -ainHR "serverlimit" /etc/apache2 on my box
[08:37] <Haris> but apachectl -t says serverlimit is set to 256 somewhere
[08:38] <tomreyn> Haris: that's probably the compiled in default. but you should have /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and I think it does contain a "ServerLimit" line.
[08:39] <tomreyn> if not, maybe you don't have the apache2 package installed or you're not running the right apache httpd model
[08:39] <Haris> I put ServerLimit 550 in global context in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mpm_worker.conf. I ran apachectl -t. It says OK
[08:45] <tomreyn> Haris: maybe this will help http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mpm_common.html#maxclients
[08:45] <tomreyn> also http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mpm_common.html#serverlimit
[08:47] <tomreyn> oh actually 14.04 already had apache 2.4, so adjust the documentation links to say so (instead of 2.2)
[08:48] <Exterminador> hello. so, I've upgraded my Xubuntu to the new Bionic (I know it's dev still). did that expecting that the problem that I had with the login loop disappear but that didn't made any effect. I can still access any other accounts in the laptop except the main one (mine). any radical ideas and measures to try to recover the access to my main account?
[08:49] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | Exterminador
[08:49] <tomreyn> if you are running X, check ~/.xession-errors
[08:49] <guiverc> Exterminador, check you haven't run out of space in /home (it results in login loop too, along with other reasons), but go to #ubuntu+1 for more
[08:50] <tomreyn> ~/.xsession-errors rathers
[08:51] <Exterminador> tomreyn, I have this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TSbBfbHmHD/
[08:53] <Exterminador> the loop happened in 17.04 :/
[08:55] <Exterminador> okay. I know that *probably* I shouldn't have done what I did, but I've logged in. I've deleted .cache, .local, .config and .Xauthority. logged in
[08:57] <ducasse> Exterminador: as you are on bionic now, you need to go to #ubuntu+1 for support. trying to solve a problem by blindly upgrading to a dev release is generally not a good idea, though.
[08:57] <ghimiryu> #salt
[08:59] <Exterminador> yeah, I know. but well. seems I'm able to login again after deleting all those folders. on the .xsession-errors I had some write error related to .cache
[09:26] <operator-error> !!QQAA1qa  !!QQAA1qaa
[09:31] <rrn> Hi, is there a LaTeX package for letter for writing death threats?  I'm trying to write a death threat against this group of negroids that I wish to cull or poison.
[09:33] <ducasse> rrn: stop that, go troll somewhere else.
[09:34] <rrn> ducasse: ?  I'm not trolling.
[09:34] <rrn> ducasse: I seriously wish to poison this group, as a eugenics measure.
[09:36] <rrn> ducasse: Ok, this is off-topic, so I'm moving to #latex .
[09:39] <rrn> Yes, I am a racist, and I am very proud to be one.  So?
[09:39] <rrn> oops
[09:40] <ducasse> thanks
[09:41] <guiverc> thanks from me too !
[09:41] <vitalii> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnAZnfNB6U
[09:42] <vitalii> nice video)
[09:42] <ducasse> vitalii: no spam here, please
[09:42] <bazhang> vitalii, please don't post random youtube here
[09:53] <longsanyuan> holle
[09:54] <longsanyuan> how are you
[09:54] <bazhang> longsanyuan, hi, ubuntu support issue?
[09:54] <trincyolo> Hi all I've just installed ubuntu on an acer laptop but after rebooting there is no duel boot menu and it just boots straight into windows
[09:54] <longsanyuan> I am a green hand
[09:55] <bazhang> here is english ubuntu support longsanyuan for chinese ubuntu support please join #ubuntu-cn
[09:56] <longsanyuan> please
[09:58] <longsanyuan> nani
[10:04] <cart_man> Hi everyone . My raspberry pi assignes this absolutely hideous name for my WiFi interface. It seems to be a mac addres...WHY ON EARTH would they do that? Since this morning it seems to have changed also. So I have tried editing the name in /lib/udev/rules.d/73-usb-net-by-mac.rules and then copy it to /etc/udev/rules.d .... Also I only changed the line "IMPORT{builtin}="net_id", NAME="$env{ID_NET_NAME_MAC}"  to
[10:04] <cart_man>  -> IMPORT{builtin}="net_id", NAME="wlan0"  but THEN the interface disappeared on reboot
[10:04] <bazhang> cart_man, is that ubuntu on it?
[10:05] <cart_man> Yes Ubuntu MATE
[10:05] <cart_man> bazhang ^^
[10:07] <hateball> cart_man: you can use the kernel option net.ifnames=0 to use "traditional" naming
[10:07] <hateball> cart_man: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[10:08] <cart_man> hateball So theres a certain set of names that one can choose from ONLY?
[10:10] <cart_man> hateball : ^
[10:15] <ShriHari> hello
[10:24] <slogger3141> good day! is there a way similar to windows (sorry!) - where I can build a large number of laptops, then give to individual users who are prompted to create their own username and password on 1st login?
[10:25] <slogger3141> I'd be creating a one off generic login for all the laptops and giving the user the password for this - idea is it then allows them (via sudo) to run that script and create new login
[10:25] <hateball> !oem
[10:27] <guiverc> slogger3141, I've heard it mentioned on ubuntu.podcast(uk) which I seem to recall being referred to as oem... refer hateball's info..
[10:28] <cart_man> How can I reinstall my Ubuntu Mate GUI cause it seems to have crashed and cant start up anymore ?
[10:28] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:33] <plonter> Hey all!
[10:38] <plonter> Does anybody knows how to solve the scrappy/popping sound in ubuntu? That happens every time I'm pressing volume up/down button on my keyboard or using "tab" in terminal
[10:42] <plonter> I used to read some documentation on this, as far as I understand it's happening due to power save mode but I couldn't find the solution on how to disable it on Ubuntu 17.10
[10:44] <Astrid314> Hi everyone! I hope to get some help with my installation of Ubuntu on an old Imac....
[10:45] <Astrid314> It's mainly the graphics that's the problem this far... and that after I'm done with the installation I'm getting stuck where the system is asking me to remove the installation medium and press enter.
[10:47] <Astrid314> I remove the flash drive and press enter, nothing has happened for like 30 minutes.
[10:51] <BluesKaj> reboot?
[10:53] <Astrid314> Did that... then I'm with my main problem, the graphics.
[10:53] <Astrid314> The desktop turns into four screens.
[10:53] <Astrid314> With bad graphics.
[10:54] <Astrid314> Before the install I pressed "e" to add nomodeset. That fixed the graphics during the install but from here I don't know how to make this setting permanent.
[10:55] <hateball> Astrid314: you can edit grub
[10:55] <blackflow> Astrid314: via GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, then run grub-update
[10:55] <Astrid314> I'm pressing "shift" to start ubuntu from secure mode but the graphics makes it kind of hard to see what I'm doing and i'm not even sure that the system is getting started in secure mode.
[10:56] <blackflow> Astrid314: sorry, update-grub
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Astrid314, and run nomodeset again
[10:57] <Astrid314> I'm a newbie and don't know how to get into grub from the start screen from where I log in.
[10:58] <akik> Astrid314: press left shift when the computer is turned on
[10:58] <Astrid314> I do that but I get to the same screen, four squares.
[10:58] <akik> Astrid314: grub is hidden by default
[10:59] <akik> Astrid314: if you want, you can enable showing grub on every boot
[10:59] <Astrid314> Yeah, but i'm kind of stuck though nothing happens during reboot + left shift
[11:00] <akik> Astrid314: you can enable it when ubuntu has booted up and you have logged in
[11:02] <Astrid314> Ok... what do I press to get into grub after I'm logged in?  'Cause here the graphics are to bad to see what I'm doing.
[11:03] <Astrid314> So i'm pretty much just guessing what I'm doing due the graphics.
[11:03] <akik> Astrid314: use "sudo nano /etc/default/grub" to edit it. there are two lines with "HIDDEN" there. remove their values
[11:03] <stevendale> Astrid314, Then run 'sudo update-grub'
[11:04] <skishore86> I am unable to connect to bluetooth from my Ubuntu bluetooth..
[11:05] <skishore86> Ubuntu bluetooth is not recognizing my mobile bluetooth
[11:05] <skishore86> can some one help me
[11:06] <noName> hi
[11:06] <stevendale> Hi noName
[11:06] <stevendale> !offtopic noName
[11:06] <noName> why does alias lss='sh -c [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && echo screwed || ls' gives me 2: 1: [: missing ] followed by results of ls?
[11:07] <noName> when executed in a bash shell?
[11:07] <noName> instead of just the message or ls's output?
[11:07] <Triffid_Hunter> because you don't have the stuff after sh -c quoted I guess
[11:08] <noName> let me try
[11:09] <skishore86> can some one help me with my bluetooth issue
[11:09] <skishore86> ?
[11:09] <hateball> !patience | skishore86
[11:09] <skishore86> ubottu ... sure
[11:10] <noName> Triffid_Hunter: um it didn't work
[11:11] <noName> giving a single quote ends the alias abruptly and double quotes give sh: 1: [: 1: unexpected operator error followed by ls output
[11:12] <ubuntu> hello
[11:13] <Triffid_Hunter> noName: yeah you'll need to escape your $ signs as well
[11:13] <Guest8165> hello,everyone
[11:14] <Triffid_Hunter> noName: but why do you have sh -c in ther in the first place? seems to work fine without that
[11:14] <Triffid_Hunter> noName: alias lss='[ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && echo screwed || ls' seems to do the intended thing without complaining here
[11:16] <noName> Triffid_Hunter: Damn I just realized that. Actually I tried creating this via the terminal itself without directly editing the bashrc file.. And there it complained about unknown symbols..
[11:16] <xperfecttr> hi
[11:17] <geirha> Fun fact. The $[...] syntax for arithmetic expansion was deprecated over 20 years ago, and even removed from the documentation soon after. Still, decades later, it pops up again and again
[11:17] <noName> Triffid_Hunter: but anyways, thank you for pointing that out.
[11:18] <Triffid_Hunter> noName: you're welcome :)
[11:24] <BillD73> Ubuntu 16.04 laptop with built in wifi  Is there a way I  can  tell what channel my wifi is connecting to wireless router with? If I ping what would "ideal" reply times for 11b/g be?
[11:27] <Triffid_Hunter> BillD73: sudo iwconfig should tell you the frequency it's using
[11:27] <JimBuntu> BillD73, iwlist <interface> scan or as Triffid_Hunter said
[11:28] <JimBuntu> BillD73, "Ideal" ping times are ~0ms
[11:29] <BillD73> thx guys thats what I was looking for   at less then5 feet from router I'm at 1.5.to 1.9 ms ...
[11:30] <TwentyoneThree> Hi, my Ubuntu 17.10 64 bit on a mobile workstation is getting stuck at shutdown from time to time ... 5 minutes just a cursor in the left top corner. Any advice how I could diagnose this issue?
[11:31] <Triffid_Hunter> TwentyoneThree: are you copying a bunch of stuff to a USB disk just before shutting down?
[11:31] <JimBuntu> dmesg? kernel log?
[11:31] <Triffid_Hunter> TwentyoneThree: USB disks are notoriously slow to write, and the kernel has to wait for the write cache to flush before unmounting
[11:32] <TwentyoneThree> Triffid_Hunter: No, there are no USB disks or thumb drives
[11:34] <TwentyoneThree> JimBuntu: How do I access dmesg from before a reboot? In the kernel log I can't find any entries around that time
[11:35] <BillD73> So, if I switch the channel on my router from auto to a preferred channel(1, 6, or 11), would my client Wi-Fi automagically change channels as well?
[11:35] <JimBuntu> redirect output to a file
[11:36] <randomPerson1> yes BillD73
[11:36] <JimBuntu> BillD73, channel hopping is already built into the spec
[11:36] <BillD73> JimBuntu: randomPerson1 thx
[11:37] <BluesKaj> ch6 is usually default and the busiest and most crowded wifi ch, try to avoid that one
[11:38] <randomPerson1> I just rebooted a server for kernel updates. Now grub welcomes me with "attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'". It's a bios boot and gpt partition. Could it be that the server has a problem with the gpt disk? I think I was the first to ever restart it...
[11:40] <samthewildone> I having trouble getting my wwlan working on ubuntu.
[11:40] <samthewildone> There doesn't seem to be any guide or documentation on getting wwlan working.
[11:40] <samthewildone> When I run "lsub" the card shows up.
[11:41] <samthewildone> It all works on Windows
[11:41] <samthewildone> !wwlan
[11:41] <samthewildone> !broadband
[11:43] <JimBuntu> samthewildone, Saying 'it all works on Windows' is sure to gain you popularity and influence.
[11:43] <samthewildone> well... I know one of the questions people usually ask is "maybe your card is busted".
[11:43] <JimBuntu> by 'wwlan', you mean WiFi?
[11:43] <samthewildone> JimBuntu, mobile broadband
[11:44] <JimBuntu> samthewildone, as in cellular?
[11:44] <samthewildone> Yes
[11:45] <samthewildone> I remember when I had Mate a while back this worked.
[11:45] <samthewildone> I didn't have to do a thing, it just worked.
[11:46] <JimBuntu> ok, shows up in 'lsusb'... do you have the module loaded? (I can't know which module is required for your device)
[11:46] <tomreyn> samthewildone: start by providing the output of lsusb for this device
[11:47] <tomreyn> it's probaböly just one line, if not read on:
[11:47] <tomreyn> !paste | samthewildone
[11:47] <tester> i have a mobile hdd with windows to go on it (whatever windows created ~300mb or so partition, and te windows partition). there's unallocated space of about 40gb there as well. i want to install ubuntu on it and have it live peacefully with the existing windows to go installation.
[11:47] <tester> windows is encrypted with bitlocker.
[11:47] <tester> i'd also like ubuntu to be encrypted with whatever.
[11:47] <tester> how do i go about doing this
[11:48] <samthewildone> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C3rRK8PWGn/
[11:49] <tester> ideally, boot loader will ask which partition to boot, and then the encryption and whatever takes place
[11:54] <tomreyn> tester: i'm not sure how exactly "windows to go" and bitlocker work and how they interoperate. but you yould use the "diskpart" command on windows to "list" all of "disk", "partition" and "volume" and we'd probably know more then. or you coul djust install ubuntu to that mobile hdd and see whether that works out (the installer will either find enough space to install or not).
[11:55] <tester> im sure ubuntu will install fine. i'm more worried about what happens to the bootloader and the boot process afterwards
[12:01] <tomreyn> tester: i don't know whether bitlocker still works if you replace the windows boot manager with grub. supposedly yes, but i'm just not sure. if bitlocker (of which there are several variants) works fine by just starting from a windows partition then i guess you can have bitlocker encrypted windows and dmcrypt-luks encrypted linux coexist on the same bootable storage device.
[12:03] <tester> i'll give it a try
[12:03] <tomreyn> samthewildone: so this is your mobile data modem: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 1199:9013 Sierra Wireless, Inc.
[12:03] <samthewildone> tomreyn, yes sir.
[12:04] <samthewildone> tomreyn, trying to go through a bunch of forum posts on ubuntu to see if I can find something.
[12:05] <tomreyn> samthewildone: so just setting it up in network manager doesn't work?
[12:05] <samthewildone> nope
[12:05] <samthewildone> Usually there's a mobile broadband section within the dropdown menu at the top right but there's only WiFi connections.
[12:06] <samthewildone> tomreyn, when I manually add the BroadBand connection, it does not connect.
[12:07] <tomreyn> samthewildone: okay, it's probbaly in serial mode by default and you'll need to modeswitch to the usb net.
[12:08] <samthewildone> tomreyn, https://imgur.com/a/g7fYz
[12:08] <tomreyn> samthewildone: can you also show: lsusb -v -d 1199:9013 ; lsmod
[12:08] <tomreyn> i assume your screenshot shows the connection you created manually?
[12:08] <samthewildone>  Yes
[12:08] <samthewildone> lol
[12:10] <samthewildone> tomreyn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BnMqxyttv2/
[12:12] <tomreyn> samthewildone: that'S the output of the second command only.
[12:12] <tomreyn> so we have "lsmod", we still need: lsusb -v -d 1199:9013
[12:13] <Li> I've went inside /usr/lib/lightdm and gave the command lightdm-session -h I was hopping for help but I got all the crap comming up my secreen and now ubuntu is broken I guess
[12:13] <Li> can anyone tell if this is reversable?
[12:14] <samthewildone> tomreyn, Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
[12:15] <tomreyn> samthewildone: ah, sudo, sorry
[12:15] <samthewildone> :|
[12:15] <tomreyn> samthewildone: so make it: sudo lsusb -v -d 1199:9013
[12:15] <tomreyn> you can pipe this into pastebinit if you have it installed.
[12:15] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | samthewildone
[12:15] <samthewildone> tomreyn, why a sudo on a lsusb command ?
[12:16] <ZaZaQ> hello
[12:16] <tomreyn> samthewildone: because you want it to get all the details. you don't have to do it, though, maybe the non sudo output is good enough.
[12:17] <tomreyn> samthewildone: on the other hand this hardly has the potential to do anything bad.
[12:17] <samthewildone> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nwqVhHc69S/
[12:17] <tomreyn> samthewildone:which ubuntu release is this?
[12:17] <tomreyn> lsb_release -sd
[12:18] <samthewildone> 16.04
[12:18] <samthewildone> .1
[12:18] <samthewildone> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[12:18] <tomreyn> so .1 or .4?
[12:18] <samthewildone> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[12:18] <tomreyn> sudo apt install gobi-loader
[12:19] <samthewildone> already did htat
[12:19] <samthewildone> that
[12:19] <tomreyn> then unplug and replug the modem
[12:19] <Li> as usual full of nothing channel
[12:19] <samthewildone> It's a wwlan card that I have to uninstall and re-install
[12:19] <samthewildone> https://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-GOBI-3000-Mobile-Broadband/dp/B004Z9XZHM
[12:19] <samthewildone> not something I can just yank out and put back in.
[12:20] <samthewildone> I disabled in bios, reboot, re-enabled... reboot
[12:20] <tomreyn> samthewildone: i see
[12:20] <samthewildone> tomreyn, just wanted to let you know I tried everything, even this guide from http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Qualcomm_Gobi_2000
[12:21]  * samthewildone goes in the corner and cries
[12:22] <ZaZaQ> santhewildone, do you need a hug?
[12:23] <samthewildone> I do
[12:23] <samthewildone> tomreyn, here's the strange thing this worked on MATE
[12:23] <samthewildone> But when I tried mate again, it didn't work... wait a minute.
[12:23] <ZaZaQ> too bad. i'm not giving away free hugs
[12:23] <samthewildone> I think it was MATE 14.04
[12:24] <samthewildone> but that was like last year
[12:24] <tomreyn> samthewildone: it's totally possible that it worked on an older kernel. linux changes over time, bad quality drivers are removed and ABIs can change,
[12:25] <Amok_Huginnsson> hello, I have observer strange regression after last system update: half of my terminal emulators lost the ability to hangle standalone `bold` attribute. The simple test: echo "\e[1maaaaaa`tput sgr0`" fails on xterm, terminator, aterm, rxvt, but it works on: mrxvt and gnome-terminal. Can you guys confirm this?
[12:25] <samthewildone> tomreyn, dam. I tried all these > PopOS / Ubuntu 16.04.4 / KaliLinux / CentOS
[12:25] <samthewildone> -_-
[12:25] <samthewildone> MATE 16.04.4
[12:25] <tomreyn> samthewildone: maybe try 14.04 again, since the driver doesn't seem to have been developed any further than linux 4.4
[12:26]  * samthewildone prepares to jump out a building
[12:26] <Amok_Huginnsson> the test could be rewritten as: echo "`tput bold`aaaaa`tput sgr0`"
[12:26] <tomreyn> samthewildone: your best bet would be to get a device that is well supported instead, though.
[12:26] <samthewildone> I don't have much of a option as Lenovo blacklists a lot of "supported" devices.
[12:27] <samthewildone> *cards
[12:28] <tfgbd_> Is there any interest in the Lenovo Yoga Book Android edition
[12:30] <samthewildone> tomreyn, thanks for your help though, I do appreciate it bro.
[12:30] <samthewildone> tomreyn, I just wanted to be sure that when I tested everything yesterday it wasn't me.
[12:32] <tomreyn> samthewildone: this is for 16.10, but if you're happy building the driv3ers yourself you *might* get them working this way: https://bytefreaks.net/gnulinux/compiling-gobinet-on-ubuntu-16-10-64bit
[12:33] <tester> i didnt expect this to be an issue. i've put the latest iso on a flashdisk and booted it, but i get an error that says initramfs unable to find a medium something.
[12:33] <samthewildone> tomreyn, no thanks, I already wasted enough time. But thanks though.
[12:33] <tester> i tried a usb2 socket too
[12:33] <tester> then i tried to re-flash the iso with unetbootin instead of rufus
[12:34] <tester> same deal
[12:34] <tester> ideas?
[12:35] <tomreyn> samthewildone: i suggest you get an lte modem instead. or, if you use the laptoip stationary, an external lte to (w)lan router.
[12:36] <tomreyn> tester: ensure your downloaded iso matches the checksum. then do a media test form the running system.
[12:37] <tomreyn> !verify | tester
[12:40] <samthewildone> tomreyn, I shall be back
[12:40] <tester> tomreyn 773C839D24CF91C394ACA6F1B9CD40DA  ubuntu-17.10.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:40] <tester> tomreyn what do i compare it to though, theres nothing on the download page
[12:41] <dirc> is there any gui tool recommend for accessing aws?
[12:42] <JimBuntu> tester, Ubuntu says it should be 773c839d24cf91c394aca6f1b9cd40da for http://releases.ubuntu.com/17.10/ubuntu-17.10.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:42] <dirc> i use aws command line which works fine. but when other use my desktop, it would be easier to communicate with gui.
[12:42] <JimBuntu> dirc, GUI for AWS? Chrome ( only half kidding)
[12:42] <quall__> Hello channel! I need somebody with some experience with AMD proprietary drivers on ubuntu 16.04 to help me: **1** understand what I have or not have done on my system (I've tried several things in the past, but I don't know how to assess what I have installed or not), **2** understand if something has changed in the last year and I can now use pro
[12:42] <quall__> prietary drivers, **3** going from my current configuration to having the proprietary drivers. I have dual graphics, and I only need to use AMD drivers for Blender (so I don't mind about the rest).
[12:43] <tester> tomreyn so the iso is fine and the media actually boots but them initramfs errors
[12:44] <JimBuntu> tester, the ISO may be fine, doesn't mean the boot media you made is though
[12:44] <ioria> !amd | quall__
[12:46] <akik> tester: one option would be to add the linux mbr to the windows boot loader
[12:46] <tester> JimBuntu how do you suggest that i verify this?
[12:46] <tester> akik are we talking about the installation issue or the dual boot question
[12:46] <akik> tester: i mean, install grub to the linux partition, then dd first 446 bytes off it and insert it into the windows boot loader
[12:46] <JimBuntu> You could reverse image the boot media... better yet though, re-create it.
[12:47] <akik> tester: dual boot questio
[12:47] <tester> JimBuntu i've recreated it twice already.
[12:47] <tester> akik im not entirely sure about the procedure, so im pretty sure i'll screw it up without exact directions.
[12:47] <JimBuntu> hmmm tester, for sanity check, I would create a different, older, boot image. See if I get issues
[12:47] <tester> JimBuntu you mean download ubuntu 16 and try it?
[12:47] <tomreyn> tester: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu
[12:48] <JimBuntu> tester, yeah, that's what I would do, mind you... I'm only me
[12:48] <dirc> JimBuntu. sad i wish there exists only command line world. kidding. : p
[12:48] <quall__> ioria: thanks. I'm not sure what GCN level is myR5 M335 4GB DDR3 GPU. Wiki says "1st gen", I don't know if it's 1.2 or higher
[12:48] <JimBuntu> dirc, I also use AWS via command line most of the time... but if looking for a GUI, it would be the browser
[12:49] <akik> tester: it's described here (although for an older ubuntu version, and using mbr scheme): https://www.iceflatline.com/2011/04/install-and-configure-ubuntu-on-the-lenovo-t410/
[12:49] <RodeoMike> is there a good CLI/GUI for viewing and understanding systemd units and their wants/wantedby/requried/etc...
[12:49] <dirc> JimBuntu. Looks like some add on for browser. Thanks!
[12:49] <JimBuntu> dirc, yw. Also, don't forget there is a phone app that is pretty powerful too
[12:50] <tester> tomreyn the iso is fine.
[12:50] <ioria> quall__, can you paste    lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' ?
[12:50] <tester> and this tutorial assumes i'm runnig some sort of unix. i'm not.
[12:50] <tomreyn> tester: okay then you boot off it, and from the textual menu which displays first, you choose the option to test the install media
[12:51] <skishore86> Can some one help me in installing speech recognition software on ubuntu 16.04
[12:51] <quall__> ioria: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sky Lake Integrated Graphics (rev 07) // DeviceName:  Onboard IGD // Subsystem: Dell Skylake Integrated Graphics
[12:51] <quall__> ioria: be aware that I have dual graphics
[12:52] <tester> tomreyn when i boot from the flashdisk, i get the option to install ubuntu, then it 'thinks' with the logo, and then i get that errorr
[12:52] <ioria> quall__, ok, but paste the full output  on paste.ubuntu.com or use pastebinit, please
[12:52] <tester> so i assume i'm missing something here
[12:52] <quall__> ioria: that was the full output. I replaced newlines with "//"
[12:52] <tomreyn> tester: okay, let me try this here in a vm quickly, maybe the 17.10 installer has changed.
[12:53] <ioria> quall__, sy, the output should show the Kernel driver in use; try again
[12:54] <quall__> ioria: I confirm that that 3 lines are the only output. Do you want the paste without grep?
[12:55] <ioria> quall__, no, please try this:   sudo lshw -c Video
[12:55] <tomreyn> tester: still downloading, 2 minutes left.
[12:56] <quall__> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JPgVHFdkyX/
[12:56] <tester> tomreyn okay. i'll reboot and try to install ubuntu 16 that i just flashed
[12:56] <ioria> quall__, looks good, what's the problem ?
[12:58] <ioria> quall__, you know you can't use proprietary amd/ati on xenial and on, right ?
[12:58] <quall__> ioria: I have never been able to use that graphic card. I don't know if I have any drivers installed. I don't know when and if the AMD GPU  gets "called"... I basically think that gpu is just sitting in m computer doing nothing.
[12:59] <quall__> ioria: have you read my initial question? I came to ask specifically this. And no, when I bought the computer I didn't know that Ubuntu would have made impossible to use propertary drivers (was possible until when I bought the computer in 2016,  before 16.04)
[12:59] <ioria> quall__,  the kernel module (driver) for your amd is 'radeon' . Check what you pasted above: configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
[13:00] <quall__> ioria: also, the !amd message says that in some cases you CAN use propertary drivers, but links to a wikipedia page to check whether it's my case or not, and that wikipedia page doesn't seem to say the GCN level for my graphic card
[13:01] <ioria> quall__,  yes, you might use an external AMDGPU-PRO from amd website, but your card is not still supported by it: https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[13:02] <quall__> ioria: ok, let's tackle one question at the time. (thanks for helping by the way). First question: I have two graphic cards. How does the OS choose which task to assign to which? Or should I decide? How?
[13:03] <ioria> quall__, if you have an hybrid system (intel/amd) i suggest read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[13:05] <ioria> quall__, what's tha output of this :   xrandr --listproviders | tail -1 | sed 's/.*name://'
[13:05] <quall__> ioria: just Intel
[13:06] <tomreyn> tester: my instructions for the media test were incomplete. when the "keyboard equals human" icon shows during boot, press escape twice, then select "check disc for defects"
[13:06] <ioria> quall__, so atm you're using the integrated (intel) card
[13:06] <sveinse> What happens to the repos of a previous LTS release once it expires? Is it deleted, or is it kept for a period of time?
[13:06] <tomreyn> sveinse: why do you ask?
[13:06] <tester> i just tried ubuntu 16. i get the same thing, it stops at the same time, but without the specific initramfs error
[13:07] <tester> tomreyn can you repeat the instructions and what you said since you said you were downloading
[13:07] <ioria> quall__,  you can switch to amd (for blender) with   : DRI_PRIME=1 blender
[13:07] <sveinse> tomreyn: We're using 14.04 for a product and I'm wondering if I need to setup a on-site 14.04 mirror to when it expires in May 19
[13:07] <quall__> ioria: I'm afraid blender doesn't work with "radeon" drivers
[13:08] <ioria> quall__,  ah, i don't use it sy, it was just an example
[13:08] <tomreyn> tester: just do this: boot any ubuntu live / installer, and when the "keyboard equals human" icon shows during boot, press escape twice, then select "check disc for defects"
[13:08] <tester> which disc is this going to check? the flashdisk?
[13:08] <ioria> quall__,  in few words, with that card you're stuck with the default 'radeon' driver
[13:09] <ioria> quall__,  i don't think you want to install 14.04 trusty and use fglrx
[13:09] <tomreyn> sveinse: 14.04 EOL is  April 2019
[13:09] <tomreyn> tester: yes
[13:09] <tester> right. i'll try now.
[13:10] <quall__> ioria: ok. Sad, but I guess I can't do much with that. Sicne we're here: do you have experience with virtual machines? Would it be (1) possible, (2) fast to have a 14.04 installation within a virtual machine and launche blender from there?
[13:10] <sveinse> tomreyn: Yes, and what happens to the repo once it is EOL?
[13:10] <ioria> quall__,  i'd say yes, go head
[13:10] <tomreyn> sveinse: it is moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com. but obviously you should not use EOL releases.
[13:10] <quall__> ioria: when i say "possible" I mean, can a virtualised OS have drivers that the host OS can't have?
[13:11] <tomreyn> sveinse: what made you think that 14.04 will expire by May 19 this year?
[13:11] <ioria> quall__,  the problem it's not the card but the new 16.04's kernel and xorg ; so if you use another kernel and xorg it should be fine  (if your hw is strong enough)
[13:12] <sveinse> tomreyn: I misremembered May 2019. But it was April 2019
[13:12] <quall__> ioria: last thing: ar VM
[13:12] <quall__> ioria: last thing: are VMs fast? :)
[13:12] <ioria> quall__,   depends on your cpu and ram
[13:12] <tomreyn> sveinse: so april next year, right
[13:13] <JimBuntu> romance, sveinse https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[13:13] <ioria> quall__,   which are ?
[13:14] <quall__> ioria: mean, my computer is not bad, it's mid-range: i5, 8GB ram
[13:14] <tomreyn> sveinse:the problem you are facing is obiovusly "We're using 14.04 for a product"
[13:15] <sveinse> tomreyn: And as for 14.04. We're stuck on upstart due to being stuck on an old kernel. And we don't want to spend the money to up it to something newer. This is the woes of being on an embedded product
[13:15] <tomreyn> sveinse: can i know the name of the company so i'll know what to never buy?
[13:15] <ioria> quall__,   you can try with virtualbox, no harm in that (but not sure of the outcome)
[13:16] <tester> tomreyn it wont even check the discs. same thing, same place, same errors.
[13:16] <tester> i get the menu of live, install, etc. i pick check disc, it "thinks" for a while and throws the error.
[13:16] <tomreyn> sveinse: "embedded system" is not an acceptable excuse for running unpatched / unpatchble systems.
[13:16] <quall__> ioria: ok! thanks for helping. I'm going to attempt "sudo echo DIS > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch" so I guess I can be soon locked out of my session if something goes wrong :D so goodbye
[13:17] <tester> same thing with ubuntu 16 and 17 (two latest versions available from the website)
[13:17] <ioria> quall__,   ok
[13:17] <sveinse> tomreyn: not as of now, 14.04 is under support, right
[13:17] <tomreyn> sveinse: for another year, but you aleady said your employer won't do due diligence and ignore the system going EOl.
[13:18] <tomreyn> sveinse: this is going OT here, though, but i'd behappy to discuss this more with you in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[13:19] <quall__> ioria: Nah, the switcheroo doesn't work so I'm still here and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics doens't cover my case correctly
[13:19] <sveinse> tomreyn: and? It is perfectly normal to obsolete old products and move on to newer thing? My question was what happens to the repos when a LTS-release is EOL. Nothing more.
[13:20] <sveinse> And thanks, I got the answer
[13:21] <tester> im about to give up
[13:21] <ioria> quall__,   try  DRI_PRIME=1 application name
[13:22] <quall__> ioria: how do I know then whether that application is actually using GPU?
[13:23] <ioria> quall__,   xrandr --listproviders or glxinfo |egrep -i "opengl vendor|opengl renderer"
[13:26] <quall__> ioria: result of xandr --listproviders is the same with or without DRI_PRIME=1
[13:29] <tester> tomreyn i'm trying everything with a different computer, just in case
[13:30] <tester> fwiw this is not something new and apparently all the solutions are witch crafts https://askubuntu.com/questions/15425/error-when-installing-unable-to-find-a-medium-containing-a-live-file-system
[13:30] <DiecastMessiah> quall__: is this a nvidia optiums video?
[13:31] <tester> tomreyn and yeah, same thing all over again with a whole different hardware.
[13:31] <quall__> DiecastMessiah: we're talking about inter/radeon dual graphics
[13:31] <m00n_urn> hey
[13:31] <m00n_urn> hey i tried mounting a raspbian .img using mount and it gives me this: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0       missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[13:31] <quall__> DiecastMessiah: Ican't seem to switch between the two
[13:31] <ioria> quall__,   so, ia'm afraid you can't switch
[13:32] <tester> in between the error log, modsign couldnt get UEFI db list; ACPI errors, etc.
[13:32] <tester> maybe ubuntu isn't supposed to be loaded with uefi?
[13:32] <DiecastMessiah> oh kk i never knew they did that with radeon.. if it was nvidia i could have help a bit..sorry
[13:34] <quall__> ioria: uhm, strange isn't it? I mean, it shouldn't be by chance
[13:37] <ioria> quall__,   already tried  vgaswitcheroo ?
[13:38] <quall__> ioria: yes, it doesn't do anything at all
[13:38] <ioria> quall__,   have you updated /etc/default/grub as told in the wiki page ?
[13:39] <ioria> quall__,   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[13:39] <tester> tomreyn i tried to recreate the flashdisk, once again, this time without UEFI. the progress looks a little different, but the bottom line (the initramfs) is the same
[13:40] <quall__> ioria: sorry I misread the wikipage. I thought it was saying: if you don't have the switcharoo=y, then do that
[13:40] <francisv> Hello, I have a broken installation complaining about a VLC 4.0 package.  Please see the log http://paste.debian.net/1014488/. The command `apt --fix-broken install' is not succeeding.  Anyone who can help me to fix the broken VLC?
[13:41] <leftyfb> francisv: apt-cache policy libvlccore9
[13:41] <ioria> quall__,   follow the instructions (btw, it's two years old)
[13:42] <francisv> leftyfb: http://paste.debian.net/1014489/
[13:42] <leftyfb> francisv: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[13:42] <francisv> leftyfb: 17.10
[13:43] <leftyfb> francisv: I would ppa-purge everything from the videolan/master-daily ppa you added to get you back to a working state
[13:43] <only> there is any auto input for hindi langauage translation aka Transliteration ....hindi input translated automatically to english in ubuntu libre office ...like this software lipikaar as done in windows
[13:44] <francisv> leftyfb: Ok, trying...
[13:44] <pencer1235> how can i list all channels
[13:44] <leftyfb> pencer1235: please go to #freenode for help with IRC
[13:45] <pencer1235> leftyfb it says /join <channel>
[13:45] <pencer1235> and i currently have any in mind
[13:45] <leftyfb> pencer1235: /join #freenode
[13:45] <only> there is any auto input for hindi langauage translation aka Transliteration ....hindi input translated automatically to english in ubuntu libre office ...like this software lipikaar as done in windows
[13:46] <leftyfb> pencer1235: your question is not ubuntu related
[13:46] <only> why not ...any software or help for ubuntu
[13:47] <pencer1235> how can i manually install bluetooth ?
[13:47] <pencer1235> bluetooth drivers
[13:47] <littlepython> why do we use kickstart file? what kind of settings does a kicstart file have? original-ks.cfg and anaconda-ks.cfg are these the only kickstart files?
[13:47] <gerge> Hi, I am trying to set keyboard brightness to 0 by default, but I am getting a permission error. I have found the file that control the brightness: /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/leds/smc::kbd_backlight/brightness
[13:48] <gerge> But when I use this command: echo '0' > /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/leds/smc::kbd_backlight/brightness
[13:48] <gerge> as root, i get this: An error occurred while redirecting file '/sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/leds/smc::kbd_backlight/brightness'
[13:48] <gerge> open: Permission denied
[13:48] <quall__> @Channel, or ioria: if I do an update-grub and something goes wrong am I locked out of the system? (This hasn't happened, I'm just considering my options)
[13:48] <leftyfb> littlepython: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/installation_guide/s1-kickstart2-options
[13:49] <leftyfb> littlepython: first result on google for "kickstart options"
[13:49] <leftyfb> pencer1235: why do you need to "manually" install bluetooth drivers?
[13:49] <ioria> quall__,   if you edited just the line 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash '  nope, at worst, your gui does not load
[13:50] <quall__> ioria: ok! see you later then :)
[13:50] <tester> if anyone has an idea why i keep getting initramfs error 'Unable to find a medium containing a live file system', i'd take any hints now
[13:50] <tester> i checked md5 of the .iso, i tried flashing it with rufus and with unetbootin, i tried ubuntu 16 and 17
[13:50] <ioria> quall__,   in that case, open a console (ctrl+alt+f1), reverse the changes and run again sudo update-grub
[13:50] <tester> tried 2 different computers
[13:51] <tester> and i also tried different usb ports (usb2 and usb3) on two computers
[13:51] <samthewildone> tomreyn, I have returned father.
[13:51] <samthewildone> tomreyn, lol now it doesn't want to connect in 14.04.5
[13:52] <samthewildone> It shows up
[13:52] <samthewildone> I have a "enable Mobile broadband" option now but when I click it nothing happens
[13:57] <Silmarilion> Hi, is there a way to have workspaces in a single row in Unity?
[13:57] <Silmarilion> when switching
[13:59] <francisv> leftyfb: ppa-purge fails as well: http://paste.debian.net/1014495/
[14:00] <Guest33147> salve
[14:01] <leftyfb> francisv: sudo apt-get --purge remove libaribb24-0 libvlccore9 vlc-plugin-abi-4-0-1 vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-video-output
[14:02] <Guest33147> list?
[14:02] <francisv> leftyfb: http://paste.debian.net/1014499/
[14:02] <kalewalker> Hello All, anyone out there available to help troubleshoot an issue?
[14:02] <francisv> I add the packages complaining to be removed
[14:02] <francisv> but more and more packages complain
[14:03] <leftyfb> Guest33147: do you need help with ubuntu?
[14:03] <quall__> ioria: no luck even with updated grub. Switcheroo doesn't work. Actually, that wiki page must be wrong, because it says that for using the switcheroo you should "sudo echo DIS > /somewhere/" but "sudo" applies to echo, not to the output redirection! So I'm just soing the command as root instead of sudoing, and anyway it doesn't work
[14:03] <leftyfb> !ask | kalewalker
[14:03] <kalewalker> ubottu: got it
[14:04] <leftyfb> francisv: sudo apt-get --purge remove libaribb24-0 libvlccore9 vlc-plugin-abi-4-0-1 vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-video-output phonon4qt5-backend-vlc
[14:04] <leftyfb> francisv: keep going
[14:04] <leftyfb> francisv: it's fine as long as it's just packages and libraries having to do with vlc and codecs
[14:04] <francisv> ok, I will just keep adding pakcages
[14:04] <francisv> you can see from here: http://paste.debian.net/1014503/
[14:05] <francisv> I was just expecting to run a command that would automatically add all packages with dependencies
[14:07] <kalewalker> I seem to have a bit of a cascading issue and can't wrap my head around it.  Running 16.04.  Initially I was unable to load a terminal window in Unity.  My primary problem is lack of shell access both thru ctrl-alt-f1 and thru GUI.   Copied .bashrc and .profile from /etc/skel.  No change.  Rebooted to see if change was affected, GRUB failed.  Repaired GRUB, and can boot.  Recent installs include mysecureshell and a manual upgrade
[14:07] <kalewalker> to plexmediaserver.  Recently Plexmediaserver failed to read files on a separate disk, other programs are having issues reading too.  Manual access is successful.
[14:08] <leftyfb> kalewalker: I would run diagnostics to determine if you've got bad memory or a bad drive
[14:08] <kalewalker> I ran fs check with disk and they were all good
[14:09] <kalewalker> leftyfb: what do you suggest for checking memory?
[14:14] <carnot> Hi, has anyone got a fix for not being able to change screen brightness on Ubuntu 16.04, Dell XPS 15 9560, or could point me in the right direction? Tried the usual stack-exchange etc but no luck.
[14:15] <tester> so i managed to get the installer to load.
[14:15] <tester> back to my dualboot question now
[14:15] <tester> windows is installed to /dev/sdc1 (not sure what's there, 350mb partition) and /dev/sdc2 (c:). there's 40gb free space on that disk.
[14:15] <tester> but ubuntu's installer asks where to put the boot loader installation
[14:17] <tester> do i choose /dev/sdc (the whole disk) and pray it won't crush bitlocker's key or something?
[14:18] <tomreyn> tester: have backups. you can stiull pray if you want then, but there's no longer a struict need to do so then.
[14:19] <quall__> ioria: I've taken it to the next stage  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1014578/i-cant-switch-graphic-card-on-a-intel-amd-hybrid-graphics-laptop
[14:19] <ksbalaji> Ubuntu 16.04 boots after hibernation. Problem: no display!
[14:19] <akik> tester: it's not advisable if you don't know what you have in /dev/sdc mbr
[14:20] <kalewalker> I seem to have a bit of a cascading issue and can't wrap my head around it.  Running 16.04.  Initially I was unable to load a terminal window in Unity.  My primary problem is lack of shell access both thru ctrl-alt-f1 and thru GUI.   Copied .bashrc and .profile from /etc/skel.  No change.  Rebooted to see if change was affected, GRUB failed.  Repaired GRUB, and can boot.  Recent installs include mysecureshell and a manual upgrade
[14:20] <kalewalker> to plexmediaserver.  Recently Plexmediaserver failed to read files on a separate disk, other programs are having issues reading too.  Manual access is successful.
[14:20] <tester> tomreyn i can afford to lose the content of THAT drive
[14:20] <tester> where do i tell it to place the boot loader though?
[14:20] <akik> tester: We do not recommend modifying the master boot record on computers whose operating system drives are BitLocker-protected for a number of security, reliability, and product support reasons. Changes to the master boot record (MBR) could change the security environment and prevent the computer from starting normally, as well as complicate any efforts to recover from a corrupted MBR. Changes made to the
[14:20] <ksbalaji> Does hibernation in 16.04 work well ? I have Acer Aspire.
[14:20] <akik> MBR by anything other than Windows might force the computer into recovery mode or prevent it from booting entirely.
[14:20] <akik> tester: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/information-protection/bitlocker/bitlocker-frequently-asked-questions
[14:21] <tomreyn> tester: i think the graphical installer will just write it to the boot sector of the disk it is installing ubuntu on
[14:21] <tester> akik sure. what do you suggest then?
[14:21] <akik> tester: i pasted the url that describes how to add the grub 446 byte part into the windows boot loader
[14:22] <tester> tomreyn sda need not be touched _at all_. sdb is the installation media (flashdisk) and sdc is the disk with windows and bitlocker and where i want ubuntu to also be
[14:22] <tester> akik i'll read.
[14:22] <akik> tester: you have two windows installation there or only the one on sdc?
[14:23] <Vic2> I am a 14.04 user who just upgraded to 16.04 .... I run a program under wine with multiple instances of it open at one time.  In 14.04 the launcher would create ONE icon and if I right clicked, I would see a list of all the instances ... in 16.04 I get an individual icon for EACH instance ... how can I alter this behavior so that I get ONE not TWENTY icons?
[14:23] <tester> akik sda is the disk of the pc. sdc is a mobile harddisk with windows to go (with bitlocker) and where ubuntu-to-go will also be eventually.
[14:23] <tester> akik i can't find anything in that link regarding adding grub's code
[14:24] <kostkon> Vic2, you probably try adding setting the wm_class in its .desktop file
[14:25] <akik> tester: https://www.iceflatline.com/2011/04/install-and-configure-ubuntu-on-the-lenovo-t410/ (Configuring for Dual Boot)
[14:25] <Vic2> kostkon, as I am a noob, could you provide more guidance please?
[14:25] <akik> tester: i'm noting here that when installing ubuntu, choose the linux partition for the grub boot loader
[14:26] <tester> akik so choose /dev/sdc3 specifically?
[14:26] <kostkon> Vic2, start the app then in a terminal give:  xprop | grep -i wm_class, when the cursor changes shape click on the wine app's window. that's the first step
[14:26] <akik> tester: yes
[14:26] <tester> sorry for asking and repeating, i just  dont want to end up nagging for the next 6 hours with stuff i could prevent now
[14:26] <ksbalaji> does hibernation alter boot sequence?
[14:27] <kostkon> Vic2, it will give you a list of values, 1 or more values
[14:28] <tester> akik so now when i boot to that disk, what's going to happen? i assume windows is going to take control and boot itself?
[14:28] <akik> tester: you are booting in non-uefi mode right?
[14:28] <tester> right now? yeah it should be non uefi
[14:28] <tester> windows is uefi
[14:28] <Drbutth0le> why would you run windows out of a VM?
[14:28] <akik> tester: after the bcdedit procedure you'll get the normal windows boot loader, and there'll be a menu entry for booting ubuntu
[14:29] <tester> akik im sorry, what bcedit procedure
[14:29] <kostkon> Vic2, did it work? what did you get
[14:29] <akik> tester: go read the url :)
[14:30] <tester> akik the bitlocker faq? there's no "bcedit" in there
[14:30] <akik> tester: bcdedit is used to modify the windows boot loader settings
[14:30] <tester> akik yeah, i'm not too familiar but I know that.
[14:30] <miguelc084> hello.
[14:31] <akik> tester: the url talks about how you add the 512 byte file into the windows boot loader to be able to boot ubuntu
[14:31] <tester> akik apologies. could you direct me to where? i still cant find anything about that
[14:31] <akik> tester: https://www.iceflatline.com/2011/04/install-and-configure-ubuntu-on-the-lenovo-t410/ (Configuring for Dual Boot)
[14:32] <miguelc084> if i may ask a question... i somehow trying to fix sound in ubuntu crashed the sound config. i dont have now sound on my dual boot windows. i had secureboot disabled in uefi. in windows it says sound card is unplugged but this is a notebook. anybody knows this error
[14:32] <Vic2> kostkon the cursor never changed ... I hovered the mouse over the icon and the mouse pointer changed to a cross/bullseye.  Clicked the icon .. there was no output of any kind.
[14:32] <kostkon> Vic2, click on the app's window not icon. window
[14:32] <tester> akik thanks. i'll follow that.
[14:33] <Vic2> kostkon, perhaps I should close all the instances, and then start them up from scratch?
[14:33] <Vic2> kostkon, ahh ok.
[14:33] <kostkon> Vic2, just start one, and click on it
[14:34] <Vic2> kostkon is an already running one sufficient? or do I need to actually close one and then restart it?
[14:34] <kostkon> Vic2, it's fine
[14:35] <Vic2> kostkon, ok it gave me output indicating  WM_CLASS(STRING) =
[14:36] <kostkon> Vic2, no value at all?
[14:36] <Vic2> well yeah ... I didn't paste it. :)
[14:36] <kostkon> Vic2, was it the main window?
[14:37] <Vic2> I used a random one of the 20 kostkon
[14:37] <kostkon> Vic2, tried them all lol you never know
[14:37] <kostkon> try*
[14:37] <Vic2> the full output was ... WM_CLASS(STRING) = "roboevony.exe", "roboevony.exe"
[14:37] <kalewalker> I seem to have a bit of a cascading issue and can't wrap my head around it.  Running 16.04.  Initially I was unable to load a terminal window in Unity.  My primary problem is lack of shell access both thru ctrl-alt-f1 and thru GUI.   Copied .bashrc and .profile from /etc/skel.  No change.  Rebooted to see if change was affected, GRUB failed.  Repaired GRUB, and can boot.  Recent installs include mysecureshell and a manual upgrade
[14:37] <kalewalker> to plexmediaserver.  Recently Plexmediaserver failed to read files on a separate disk, other programs are having issues reading too.  Manual access is successful.
[14:39] <Vic2> kostkon I tried 3 of the 20 .. the output is identical in each ... WM_CLASS(STRING) = "roboevony.exe", "roboevony.exe"
[14:39] <leftyfb> kalewalker: please stop pasting the same question repeatedly. If someone is able and willing to help you, they will
[14:39] <leftyfb> kalewalker: did you try creating a new user?
[14:40] <kostkon> Vic2, that's better. hopefully after you make the change your de will group them all under the same icon and not some
[14:40] <kalewalker> leftyfb: nope, will try.
[14:40] <Vic2> kostkon, ok excellent ... now what are the specifics of the change I need to make ?  or a reference to something to read?
[14:40] <kostkon> Vic2, ok, now find and open its .desktop file, it's properly in ~/.local/share/applications somewhere
[14:41] <kostkon> probably*
[14:43] <Vic2> kostkon ... there are about 15 similarly named files ... wine-extension-chm.desktop   wine-extension-png.desktop
[14:43] <kostkon> Vic2, one that is named after your app?
[14:43] <Vic2> no
[14:44] <kostkon> Vic2, sure? is there a 'wine' folder?
[14:45] <kalewalker> leftyfb: success with new admin, getting other errors and sorting through actions now
[14:45] <Vic2> yes, let me look in there --- .wine you mean?
[14:46] <kostkon> Vic2, no, actually in ~/.local/share/applications
[14:48] <miguelc084> rebooting brb
[14:48] <kalewalker> leftyfb:  removed plexmediaserver + mysecure shell and the problem is resolved.  Thanks, sorry for the noob resolution, I'm no pro.
[14:52] <Vic2> kostkon no ... just the 15 or so files I mentioned and a mimeinfo.cache file
[14:52] <kostkon> Vic2, how do you open that app?
[14:53] <kostkon> Vic2, do you click on its .exe every time you want to start it
[14:53] <Vic2> with wine ... clicking on the icon which opens with wine
[14:53] <Vic2> kostkon with wine ... clicking on the icon which opens with wine
[14:54] <Vic2> kostkon, so yes, basically.
[14:54] <kostkon> Vic2, from your apps menu or file browser ?
[14:55] <Vic2> kostkon, however there are 20 different instances of that program each in its own directory.
[14:55] <Vic2> kostkon file browser
[14:55] <kostkon> Vic2, 20 different .exes?
[14:55] <Vic2> same exe 20 different directories containing it.
[14:56] <Vic2> kostkon, same exe 20 different directories containing it.
[14:56] <kostkon> Vic2, and you click on those 20 each time and for what purpose
[14:56] <kostkon> ?
[14:57] <Vic2> kostkon, to run the exe's ... I haven't yet created a batch file to do so which is on my todo list.
[14:57] <kostkon> Vic2, can't you just click 20 times the same .exe
[14:58] <Vic2> kostkon, no as it is a flash application and the flash data is saved to its own location based upon the 'account' that is being used ... i.e. the reason for the exe in multiple directories.
[15:00] <Vic2> kostkon, just a reminder the icon 'stacked' properly in 14.04 but this behaviour is new to 16.04 for me.
[15:00] <kostkon> Vic2, that complicates things a bit. you could create a custom .desktop file for you app and click it 20 times, or i guess 20 different .desktop files as long as they contain this line: StartupWMClass=roboevony.exe   your DE may decide to group them together.
[15:03] <cart_man> What is the files name that you can add EXPORTS or environment variable for every Terminal that gets launched?
[15:05] <tomreyn> # ~/.profile: executed by the command interpreter for login shells. This file is not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login exists.
[15:07] <tomreyn> cart_man: there is also /etc/environment if you're looking for a way that afffects all users.
[15:08] <tomreyn>  /etc/environment wont be executed, though
[15:08] <tomreyn> but /etc/profile is
[15:10] <cart_man> tomaw Thats the one..thanks
[15:10] <cart_man> I mean tomreyn ^^
[15:11] <tomreyn> welcome
[15:12] <Vic2> kostkon, I am going to take this to #winehq and see if they have any ideas, thanks for trying! :)
[15:14] <kostkon> Vic2, np
[15:16] <phablet> hhh
[15:17] <phablet> Hello guys
[15:18] <kostkon> phablet, hi
[15:23] <amosbird> hi, I have a systemd unit look like this https://la.wentropy.com/Av-A
[15:23] <enyc> Hrr..m fault with  releases.ubuntu.com server
[15:23] <amosbird> why does it still use root USER?
[15:23] <enyc> hrrm come back now
[15:23] <enyc> was giving ICMP !H  host unreachable near far end
[15:26] <asir> aa
[15:28] <theTOOLMAN> hey there, i need some help. i have an install of 16.04 server on a desktop machine. i installed gdm and xfce4. it was working until it locked up yesterday. Now gdm wont start an xfce session. i disabled gdm and installed lxdm. lxdm cannot start an xfce session but it can start openbox and lxde sessions.
[15:29] <theTOOLMAN> only useful log entries:
[15:29] <theTOOLMAN> journalctl -f Mar 13 10:09:25 tbox lxdm-session[5017]: pam_systemd(lxdm:session): Cannot create session: Already running in a session
[15:30] <theTOOLMAN> /var/log/lxdm/log: ** Message: create ConsoleKit session fail
[15:31] <Vic2> kostkon ... this is shedding SOME light on the situation but I do not know how to proceed with the output given ... gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites
[15:32] <theTOOLMAN> ~
[15:32] <theTOOLMAN> ~teale/.xsession_errors: /etc/X11/Xsession: 6: export: Session.mandatory.path: bad variable name
[15:32] <theTOOLMAN> it'd be nice to get xfce4 working again. openbox sucks and lxde doesn't let me order my monitors
[15:33] <theTOOLMAN> oh and gnome sucks too
[15:33] <theTOOLMAN> be nice to know where to find some better messages that will tell why my xfce isn't starting
[15:35] <kostkon> Vic2, hmm there's some info and code here https://askubuntu.com/q/165147/1651
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> Is there any expert on Cygwin that could help me with an XForwarding issue from an ubuntu server to windows? (we may need to go to offtopic or pm)
[15:35] <compdoc> theTOOLMAN, you ever check to see if your drive is failing?
[15:35] <theTOOLMAN> compdoc there isn't anything in journalctl that would indicate that
[15:36] <compdoc> youve never checked SMART?
[15:36] <theTOOLMAN> checking smart now.
[15:38] <theTOOLMAN> compdoc no errors in smart. this is an ssd and the only thing that looks off is the number of unexpected poweroff
[15:38] <theTOOLMAN> but its on a ups since this install
[15:38] <compdoc> ok, just checking. ssds do go bad, but if smart says no reallocated or pending sectors, then great
[15:39] <compdoc> I install ubuntu server and a minimal mate desktop, and never have issues
[15:39] <theTOOLMAN> i usually have no issues
[15:39] <theTOOLMAN> i usually do sddm and xfce
[15:40] <theTOOLMAN> but i've decided i want to get away from kcrap
[15:40] <theTOOLMAN> this configuration works great on my home machines and my laptops
[15:40] <theTOOLMAN> just weird on this machine
[15:40] <compdoc> I only use mate so I can remote desktop into the server, with x2go
[15:40] <theTOOLMAN> i'm going to run a memory test tonight just to doublecheck
[15:40] <compdoc> goos idea
[15:41] <theTOOLMAN> only remote access i do is ssh. -Y to bring an application locally. rdp though i use for windows
[15:41] <theTOOLMAN> i really like xfce
[15:41] <theTOOLMAN> and i'd like to get it working
[15:41] <theTOOLMAN> just weird that it just stops and its not giving me a usable error message in any of the log files
[15:41] <theTOOLMAN> feels like a permissions issue
[15:41] <theTOOLMAN> hmmmm
[15:41] <theTOOLMAN> let me check that
[15:42] <anson> .
[15:44] <hopland> Hoy! Could someone here who uses gnome-mpv do me a favour? Try to add a lua script through the gnome-mpv settings dialogue (you can find some  interesting lua scripts here: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/User-Scripts ) Do you get a "Permission denied" dialogue?
[15:46] <akik> is grub able to use /boot residing in lvm?
[15:47] <theTOOLMAN> blehhh
[15:47] <theTOOLMAN> that didn't work either
[15:47] <theTOOLMAN> secure.log: Mar 13 10:47:18 tbox lxdm-session: pam_systemd(lxdm:session): Cannot create session: Already running in a session
[15:49] <tester> with latest ubuntu, there's no "Files" in the file manager (the menu)
[15:49] <tester> where the hell did they put it
[15:49] <tester> i need to change preferences.
[15:50] <cristian_c> tester: if 18.04, this is not beta channel
[15:50] <cristian_c> !beta
[15:50] <tester> 17
[15:50] <kostkon> tester, 17.10?
[15:51] <cristian_c> I've found Files in applications menu, but I can't explain how it's possible
[15:51] <tester> yes
[15:51] <tester> the program itself is there, but i need to change its preferences
[15:51] <tester> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/nautilus-behavior.html
[15:51] <tester> Click Files in the top bar, pick Preferences and select the Behavior tab.
[15:52] <cristian_c> wait, I try to access it
[15:52] <theTOOLMAN> only thing that seems off to me is this
[15:52] <theTOOLMAN> Mar 13 10:50:34 tbox ureadahead[398]: ureadahead:events/fs/open_exec/enable: Ignored relative path
[15:52] <compdoc> theTOOLMAN, make sure you havent channged ownership of those .xsession files to root or something
[15:53] <theTOOLMAN> and a ton of errors about relative paths in ureadahead when systemd starts that
[15:53] <tester> cristian_c i found it. forget it..
[15:53] <theTOOLMAN> i haven't changed any permissions
[15:53] <tester> ubuntu is becoming too much like mac
[15:53] <theTOOLMAN> i've add myself to a few groups
[15:53] <md231> compdoc: hi, I am new here and want to try irc, please say hi ;)
[15:53] <stanley> hi
[15:54] <md231> stanley: ;)
[15:54] <archer121_> Hi, I installed a second copy of Ubuntu, keeping my old ubuntu. I want both the installations to use the same home. So I created an entry in fstab to mount the old ubuntu's fs in /old_ubuntu, and created a soft link from /home/teju -> /old_ubuntu/home/tejaswi. Everything seems to be working okay, permissions all looks good. But the terminal  has a white background, and starts in the /old_ubuntu/home/tejaswi folder. What could be 
[15:58] <TJ-> archer121_: the user ID will need to match for the new <> old to work correctly; also instead of using a symlink you should use a --bind mount; somehting like "/old_ubuntu/home/tejaswi /home/teju bind defaults 0 0" -- I'm not 100% confident that's the correct format for a bind fstab entry however
[15:59] <theTOOLMAN> tejaswi is in here?
[15:59] <theTOOLMAN> as in my homie living up in arlington?
[15:59] <cristian_c> btw, Preferences entry is under upper-left folder menu icon
[16:00] <Hathadar> I just installed Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS on virtualbox to replace my 17.10 that had reached end of life.  The new Install is booting and running quite slowly despite having identical settings in vitualbox.  Suggestions?
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> Hathadar, if this is a fresh install, optimizations within the install may not have completed. Also, 17.10 is not EOL, 17.04 is
[16:02] <Hathadar> How would optimizations not complete?  The new install has rebooted several times.
[16:02] <Hathadar> And the old one is 17.04
[16:02] <archer121_> TJ-: Ohkay. I think the user ids match. I'll try a bind mount.
[16:04] <TJ-> archer121_: "man fstab" suggests it should be: "/old_ubuntu/home/tejaswi /home/teju  none bind 0 0" but I'm still not 100% sure
[16:13] <archer121_> Instead of a softlink, I tried mount --bind as TJ- suggested, but still terminal is white, and starts in /old_ubuntu/home/tejaswi
[16:13] <archer121_> I guess I'll try adding it to fstab and reboot
[16:16] <Hathadar> Something is very wrong. time $(i=0; while (( i < 9999999 )); do (( i ++ )); done)  That will take 30 seconds to run on 17.04 but has yet to finish on 16.04.4 LTS.
[16:18] <tomreyn> !17.04 | Hathadar
[16:18] <nacc> tomreyn: Hathadar knows that, in this case, they are seeing a big performance differences between their old install and their reinstall of 16.04
[16:18] <Hathadar> tomreyn, I know this.  I am stating that my replacement is running quite slowly as compared to the end of life.
[16:19] <tomreyn> okay, just making sure you know.
[16:19] <tomreyn> dunno about the other issue i'm afraid
[16:22] <archer121_> TJ-: Everything i working perfectly after the bind entry in fstab
[16:22] <archer121_> thnx'
[16:26] <theTOOLMAN> fuck this is giving me a headache
[16:27] <theTOOLMAN> i can run lxde but lxde is garbage. the settings don't work. mouse and display
[16:27] <theTOOLMAN> all i want is my xfce
[16:42] <v01d1> exit
[16:46] <proudmickeymouse> hi.. im getting "ls: cannot access '/home/*/.ssh/a*': No such file or directory "   everytime i install or uninstall use APT
[16:46] <proudmickeymouse> as a result few softwares like UGET are not able to run. ...
[16:47] <ycyclist> Where are the docs to read about how ubuntu kernel source is managed and what to expect on git kernel builds?
[16:48] <ycyclist> I wonder if the builds are sometimes expected to fail in trunk, or if I am dropping a step in something?  I recently got a successful xenial build, but just failed in a trusty one, which seems odd, as trusty should be old and little changing.
[16:49] <Guest57938> hello i have a problem with boot on ahci
[16:50] <theTOOLMAN> wtf i had to resinstall gdm3 and now it works
[16:50] <Guest57938> if i set ide on the bios works fine but when i set ahci first boot is ok the next one kernel doesnt load. stays on splash screen
[16:50] <Guest57938> any idea ?
[16:51] <proudmickeymouse> hi guys .. im getting "ls: cannot access '/home/*/.ssh/a*': No such file or directory "   everytime i install or uninstall use APT ... any clue ?
[16:52] <theTOOLMAN> proudmickeymouse: not sure what you did to cause that, but it is looking for the authorized_keys files for all of your users
[16:52] <theTOOLMAN> do they exist?
[16:52] <proudmickeymouse> that .SSH doesn't exist
[16:53] <theTOOLMAN> ls -lathr /home/{user}/.ssh/
[16:53] <proudmickeymouse> i did locate search all over the {user} directory
[16:53] <proudmickeymouse> didn't find anything
[16:54] <proudmickeymouse> i did that command you gave..  ls -lathr .. it seems to give same result [16:54] <proudmickeymouse> "
[16:54] <theTOOLMAN> proudmickeymouse: would help to know what it is trying to uninstall/install/reconfigure that is causing it to look
[16:54] <theTOOLMAN> sudo -i -u {user}
[16:54] <theTOOLMAN> ssh-keygen -t rsa -b4096
[16:55] <theTOOLMAN> and then try again
[16:55] <JimBuntu> a space between -b and 4096, right?
[16:55] <proudmickeymouse> it happens with all the install and uninstall, no matter what, this time around its APT INSTALL setools-gui
[16:55] <theTOOLMAN> you don't need a space
[16:56] <theTOOLMAN> you could do ssh-keygen -trsa -b4096
[16:56] <theTOOLMAN> i just bounce back and forth on my syntax
[16:56] <theTOOLMAN> something you pick up when you work in mysql
 I am installing turtlebot on ubuntu from this page: http://wiki.ros.org/turtlebot/Tutorials/indigo/Turtlebot%20Installation [10:50] <C-developer> I run the ubuntu install package : sudo apt-get install ros-indigo-turtlebot ros-indigo-turtlebot-apps ros-indigo-turtlebot-interactions ros-indigo-turtlebot-simulator ros-indigo-kobuki-ftdi ros-indigo-rocon-remocon ros-indigo-rocon-qt-library ros-indigo-ar-track-alvar-msg
[16:56] <theTOOLMAN> not sure what turtlebot is
[16:56] <JimBuntu> theTOOLMAN, I didn't realize that, I don't think it's shown as such in the man pages. Either way, thanks for the tip!
[16:57] <C-developer> How do i solve this issue ? The following packages have unmet dependencies:  ros-indigo-desktop-full : Depends: ros-indigo-desktop but it is not going to be installed                            Depends: ros-indigo-perception but it is not going to be installed                            Depends: ros-indigo-simulators but it is not going to be installed                            Depends: ros-indigo-urdf-tutorial but it is not goi
[16:57] <theTOOLMAN> apt install --force
[16:58] <theTOOLMAN> JimBuntu: i learned it from mysql with the -u option. the -p you have to do without a space (put a space in and it will think your password is the db name)
[16:59] <proudmickeymouse> theTOOLMAN, that command did generate id_rsa.pub and id_rsa. files .. not the authentication keys file yet in the .SSH directory
[17:00] <theTOOLMAN> no. but at least it creates that .ssh folder
[17:00] <theTOOLMAN> you can add yourself to auth keys
[17:00] <theTOOLMAN> cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[17:00] <theTOOLMAN> but only do that if it didn't work with your apt update
[17:01] <tomreyn> C-developer: this is not an official ubuntu installation ISO, so we cant help
[17:01] <theTOOLMAN> if it is prod, don't leave your own key in the authorized_keys file
[17:02] <C-developer> theTOOLMAN: turtlebot is a robot simulator for ros (robotics operating system)
[17:02] <theTOOLMAN> oh that sounds fun
[17:03] <proudmickeymouse> did both cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys  AND  apt update.. its still throwing "ls: cannot access '/home/*/.ssh/a*': No such file or directory"  when i try reinstalling lynis as a test
[17:03] <theTOOLMAN> wish i could find a good circuit emulator that allows me to also throw an arduino with code on it in
[17:03] <theTOOLMAN> did you do that ssh-keygen as root or the user?
[17:03] <proudmickeymouse> both
[17:04] <theTOOLMAN> cat /etc/passwd | grep user
[17:04] <theTOOLMAN> and tell me what the home folder is
[17:04] <theTOOLMAN> replace user with your username
[17:05] <proudmickeymouse> i got no idea what that output is  :::: == >>>>hplip:x:119:7:HPLIP system user,,,:/var/run/hplip:/bin/false
[17:05] <proudmickeymouse> oh
[17:05] <theTOOLMAN> thats not the user you log in as is it?>
[17:05] <proudmickeymouse> ku:x:1000:1000:ku,,,:/home/ku:/bin/bash
[17:06] <proudmickeymouse> ku is the username
[17:06] <theTOOLMAN> df -h /home/ku
[17:06] <proudmickeymouse> thats just disk free command
[17:06] <theTOOLMAN> yes
[17:07] <theTOOLMAN>  but it tells what disk that folder is mounted as
[17:07] <theTOOLMAN> i'm just going through my troubleshooting steps
[17:07] <proudmickeymouse> hmm.. not sure how thats helping .. sda6
[17:07] <theTOOLMAN> mount | grep sda6
[17:07] <theTOOLMAN> just going through my file not found steps
[17:08] <theTOOLMAN> you could always do in one terminal journalctl -f and in another, do your apt install links
[17:08] <theTOOLMAN> and see if anything comes up in journalctl
[17:08] <C-developer> theTOOLMAN: here is a screenshot of my issue when installing turltebot on ubuntu: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46696183/installation-of-turtlebot-on-ros-lunar
[17:08] <theTOOLMAN> also look at what it is installing / updating / removing
[17:09] <theTOOLMAN> C-developer: i'd love to help you but i'm not about to go and learn a new stack of software
[17:09] <theTOOLMAN> i'm still trying to get my stuff working
[17:09] <tomreyn> C-developer: yuo're not installing this on ubuntu, you're installing it on some EOL version of frankenbuntu
[17:10] <theTOOLMAN> lololol
[17:10] <C-developer> theTOOLMAN: I understand!!
[17:10] <pavlos> C-developer: you need to add a line in your sources.list
[17:10] <C-developer> pavlos: what line?
[17:10] <pavlos> C-developer: see http://wiki.ros.org/lunar/Installation/Ubuntu
[17:11] <pavlos> C-developer: section 1.2
[17:14] <AlexPortable> Is it bad to do a dist upgrade?
[17:15] <AlexPortable> as in versus reinstall;
[17:15] <compdoc> no, you should do it
[17:15] <compdoc> otherwise, you wont get kernel updates
[17:16] <CookieM> I prefer dist updates than upgrades, upgrades can sometimes with video drivers or cause other unexpected errors
[17:16] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: you should NOT use apt(-get) dist-upgrade to do a release upgrade, however
[17:17] <AlexPortable> why not?
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: because that is not the upgrade path (do-release-upgrade is)
[17:17] <AlexPortable> whats dist-upgrade then
[17:17] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: because do-release-upgrade is there for this purpose and handles it better
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: there are some cases apt cannot solve on its own and will leave your system in a bad state
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: no, it's not.
[17:17] <C-developer> pavlos: thanks for your help. But I run that line before your suggestion when installing ros. I restarted my os and still having same issue when I run  step 1.22 on this page: http://wiki.ros.org/turtlebot/Tutorials/indigo/Turtlebot%20Installation
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: sorry, misread your sentence
[17:17] <nacc> AlexPortable: dist-upgrade is the same as upgrade, except apt is allowed to remove packages in order to upgrade things
[17:18] <proudmickeymouse> coookieM, how does one do dist update and not dist upgrade /
[17:18] <proudmickeymouse> ?
[17:18] <nacc> AlexPortable: see `man apt-get`
[17:18] <nacc> CookieM: 'dist update' is nonsense ?
[17:19] <AlexPortable> he meant dist upgrade
[17:19] <pavlos> C-developer: after you added that line and did an update, it should look into the ros ppa. You should be able to install just one package to test.
[17:19] <tomreyn> "I prefer dist upgrade than upgrades" doesn't make sense either
[17:19] <nacc> AlexPortable: what tomreyn said :)
[17:19] <C-developer> pavlos: will do
[17:20] <pavlos> C-developer: section 1.3 adds the key, 1.4 does the full install
[17:20] <CookieM> nacc, you get updates almost everyday, no?
[17:20] <nacc> CookieM: yes
[17:21] <C-developer> pavlos: yes i am doing the full-desktop install
[17:21] <Vic2> back with the desktop icon issue and Wine ... wine people indicate that the issue is a Unity bug.  So to test, please advise me how to change desktops from Unity to Gnome in 16.04 ...
[17:21] <pavlos> C-developer: sudo apt update should show that it looks into the ros ppa
[17:22] <pavlos> C-developer: are you on 16.04 ?
[17:22] <C-developer> pavlos: yes i am in 16.04
[17:23] <zzh> Which package contains libcublas? cuda1 apparently doesn't.
[17:25] <eperalta> hi there
[17:27] <C-developer> pavlos: I seems like it should work but not sure what i am doing wrong. here is my test with installing one package: sudo apt-get install ros-indigo-turtlebot Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package ros-indigo-turtlebot
[17:29] <Guest83414> hello, motherboard gigabyte setted to ide ubuntu 17.10 , boots, if i change from ide to ahci first time boots then stops at splashscreen
[17:30] <pavlos> C-developer: I will test it on my system later today
[17:31] <compdoc> Guest83414, I think it should just work. But maybe you need to set legacy booting
[17:32] <C-developer> pavlos:  alright i'll reboot. I just installached apache2 '$ sudo apt-get install apache2'. Not sure why the issue is with turtblebot packages
[17:33] <zzh> nvidia-cuda-dev apperently. Do we have a version that comes with a newer libcublas 9.0?
[17:33] <tomreyn> pavlos: you noticed that the first step of the how-to C-developer seems to have followed is to install an iso they host which may be a modified (and EOL) ubuntu 14.04.2 iso (or something else entirely)?
[17:35] <forester> HI. Is it possible to use a Synaptic package manager in Ubuntu 17.10 and 18.04?
[17:36] <jeremy31> forester not using wayland without a workaround
[17:36] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | forester
[17:38] <Vic2> Question ... can I change desktop environments without logging out/rebooting?  Or do I have to close all my work and start fresh?
[17:38] <jeremy31> forester the workaround in wayland is at https://askubuntu.com/questions/614387/gksu-gtk-warning-cannot-open-display-0
[17:40] <tomreyn> Vic2: logout / login it is
[17:42] <Vic2> ok was hoping tomreyn ... thanks
[17:43] <Azure_Chaos> Anyone using the new beta? How stable is it compared to debian testing?
[17:43] <leftyfb> !bionic | Azure_Chaos
[17:44] <Azure_Chaos> ok i asked in there thanks
[17:49] <forester> jeremy31: Thank you.
[18:17] <pavlos> C-developer: if you read this, I tested the instructions from the link I gave you and it installed ros-lunar-desktop on 16.04. You asked about ros-indigo-turtlebot but this is not in the repository.
[18:20] <pavlos> C-developer: seems I installed the ros-lunar but you wanted the ros-indigo ... I will look it up.
[18:23] <pavlos> C-developer: ROS Indigo ONLY supports Saucy (13.10) and Trusty (14.04) for debian packages ... the reason you can't find it in 16.04
[18:34] <dabba> pragmaticenigma, are you around by chance?  Just wanted to let you know that changing the time at which that script is executed did resolve the issue.
[18:34] <agasus> Hey.. All...
[18:35] <UserUS> Hey.. You....
[18:35] <agasus> Any Danish in here?
[18:36] <sharksauce> Ate the last one a few minutes ago, sorry
[18:36] <agasus> Hahaha...
[18:36] <sharksauce> (sorry)
[18:36] <ducasse> !dk | agasus
[18:37] <agasus> Takker...
[18:38] <pavlos> tomreyn: found that ros-indigo not available on 16.04 hence the error ... thx
[18:40] <estan> hi folks. i might be going insane. i'm helping test out a package from bionic-proposed. i noticed that some files listed in the installed file list (dpkg -L libblosc-dev) wasn't present after installation.
[18:40] <estan> so i grabbed the .deb to have a look at it. can anyone explain this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DGrGjbfjcV/ ?
[18:41] <estan> i'm listing the contents of the .deb, which clearly shows a bunch of files destined for /usr/share/doc/libblosc-dev/examples, but upon installing the .deb with dpkg -i, those files are not there :/
[18:42] <kostkon> estan, testing it on 18.04? then you need #ubuntu+1
[18:42] <TJ-> estan: remove the leading .   ... that is in the package paths only so it can be used relatively... when installed that is prefixed with the root path
[18:43] <TJ-> estan: as in "ls -l /usr/share/doc/libblosc-dev/examples/"
[18:44] <estan> TJ-: bah sorry, that was just a mistake while i was redoing the steps to create the paste.
[18:44] <estan> TJ-: the file really isn't there: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FMDjsJmypY/ (here using the absolute path)
[18:44] <estan> kostkon: ah alright, i'll ask in there.
[18:47] <cristian_c> hi
[18:48] <cristian_c> I've inatalled dropbox in 16.04, but I notice icon/indicator is not shown on my panel
[18:49] <cristian_c> so, I cannot know if/what dropbox is syncing
[18:50] <zox_box> any chance anyone here happen to love troubleshooting a dell perc 5i raid 5 array in LTS 12.04? or should/do I need to update to 14.04 first?
[18:50] <cristian_c> in pkace of dropbox icon, I see a fake icon on my panel, but it doesn't return either tooltips or menus by left/right clicking on this fake icon
[18:50] <jeremy31> cristian_c You could log in at dropbox.com and see
[18:50] <cristian_c> *ple
[18:51] <kostkon> cristian_c, what do yu mean fake icon?
[18:51] <cristian_c> jeremy31: this is the first time I've experienced this issue, because previous ubuntu releases have not this dropbox issue
[18:51] <jeremy31> I don't use dropbox syncing anymore, I use github
[18:52] <cristian_c> kostkon: I can publish a screen, but it's  not essentially an icon, as if there was not an icon
[18:52] <cristian_c> and so, a placeholder icon is shown
[18:53] <kostkon> cristian_c, you mean an icon with a stop sign or just empty space?
[18:54] <cristian_c> the first one, but it's not astop symbol
[18:55] <kostkon> cristian_c, have you tried restarting it or maybe just logging out
[18:56] <cristian_c> kostkon: J made some attempts, but so I should kill dropbox from task manager and launch it from command line
[18:56] <cristian_c> and I've also to logout and login
[18:57] <cristian_c> but really, this issue always happens
[18:57] <cristian_c> I've to make mthese two tests, btw
[19:03] <Vic2> So I have installed the Gnome desktop environment to troubleshoot my Wine problem ... now HOW do I get back to where I started with Unity???  Gnome changed grub ... will it fix itself the next time a new kernal is released, or do I have to resort to reinstalling the OS completely?????
[19:03] <yonaikerlol> Hello
[19:04] <dabba> Vic2, reinstalling the OS entirely is the nuclear option - usually not needed if you can identify the root of the problem... do you want to keep gnome and use unity as default?
[19:05] <dabba> yonaikerlol, hi- have a question for the channel?
[19:06] <yonaikerlol> Nop.
[19:06] <dabba> k
[19:08] <jeremy31> stevendale please /join #linuxmint
[19:08] <zox_box> anyone have experience with raid5 on a perc 5i card using megacli in 12.04LTS?
[19:09] <zox_box> its an old array, but has started slowing way down on reads
[19:12] <SimonNL> stevendale: on freenode
[19:12] <Thedarkb> I'm trying to install dhcp3 but there's no installation candidate.
[19:12] <Thedarkb> What alternative should I use?
[19:12] <Thedarkb> I assume dhcp3 is deprecated if there's no candidate.
[19:14] <Adran> isc-dhcpd?
[19:14] <sudosmurf> how would I install a specific kernel version?
[19:14] <Thedarkb> Adran, Thanks man.
[19:15] <jeremy31> sudosmurf > sudo apt-get install linux-image-{version}-generic
[19:15] <sudosmurf> jeremy31, rad
[19:16] <sudosmurf> dat worked
[19:16] <jeremy31> sudosmurf or you could search in Synaptic Package Manager
[19:16] <sudosmurf> yeah, I did an apt-cache search and found the headres
[19:16] <sudosmurf> headers
[19:16] <sudosmurf> wasn't sure if it was that or something else
[19:16] <jeremy31> installing the image should pull the headers as a dependency
[19:17] <sudosmurf> awesome
[19:34] <theTOOLMAN> hey anyone can help me with installing the nvidia driver?
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> their output from their installer doesn't help much
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> tells me that afer building the kernel modules that it can't
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> load the kernel modules
[19:35] <Ben64> don't use their installer
[19:35] <theTOOLMAN> this is pissing me off
[19:35] <jeremy31> what kernel?
[19:36] <Ben64> the nvidia drivers are in the ubuntu repositories, that's the best way to get them
[19:36] <theTOOLMAN> Linux tbox 4.4.0-116-generic #140-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 12 21:23:04 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:37] <fabiobik> hello how do i add this to java JRE running in ubuntu?
[19:37] <fabiobik> -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
[19:37] <fabiobik> java is binding ipv6 ports instead ipv4
[19:38] <Ben64> fabiobik: add it to the command line of whatever runs it
[19:38] <fabiobik> Ben64: doesnt run
[19:39] <Ben64> ?
[19:39] <fabiobik> -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true: command not found
[19:39] <Ben64> it's not a command, it goes with 'java'
[19:39] <jeremy31> theTOOLMAN was everything else updated before installing the Nvidia?  There is a bug report on nvidia in that kernel because of retpoline
[19:40] <theTOOLMAN> what do you mean by "everything"
[19:40] <fabiobik> Ben64: ive tried like this: java -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
[19:40] <jeremy31> gcc-5 for one, Is this 16.04
[19:40] <fabiobik> iand its not working too
[19:40] <Ben64> fabiobik: elaborate
[19:41] <fabiobik> Ben64: it does not work
[19:41] <fabiobik> this should be enviroment flags of java right?
[19:41] <Ben64> well i can't help you if you don't explain things
[19:42] <theTOOLMAN> fuck tthat just installed unity. this is why i didn't want to install from apt
[19:42] <jeremy31> theTOOLMAN https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1750937
[19:42] <fabiobik> Ben64: maybe u dont understand what i need
[19:42] <Ben64> theTOOLMAN: software & updates -> additional drivers -> nvidia
[19:43] <Ben64> fabiobik: you don't understand how to ask for help
[19:43] <fabiobik> Ben64: i thought i was clear... I need to aply this flag to java JRE -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
[19:43] <fabiobik> and im asking how to do it
[19:44] <Ben64> and so was i, add it to the command line that runs java
[19:44] <fabiobik> that was just as i did
[19:45] <Ben64> you do know i can't see your screen, right? would probably help if you explained more
[19:45] <fabiobik> Ben64: maybe its a syntax error
[19:45] <TJ-> fabiobik: each Java program usually has a shell script to launch the Java VM, so options such as you want either need adding to each launch script or setting in the environment JAVA_OPTS
[19:45] <fabiobik> TJ-: okay. Im trying to use Elasticsearch
[19:46] <fabiobik> and i start the program using service elasticsearch start
[19:46] <TJ-> fabiobik: if you need it to affect all applications add it (for per-user) in $HOME/.profile as an "export JAVA_OPTS="..." or system-wide in /etc/profile
[19:46] <fabiobik> where i could find the script that service use?
[19:48] <Ben64> fabiobik: https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/modules-network.html
[19:48] <TJ-> fabiobik: location of a service startup script depends in which init daemon is in use. If it's sysv-init compatible then in /etc/init.d/
[19:50] <fabiobik> Ben64: ive been there
[19:50] <Ben64> well that shows how you can configure it to listen on a specific interface and ipv4 only
[19:51] <fabiobik> Ben64: ive done that
[19:51] <fabiobik> Ben64: still binding ipv6...
[19:51] <Ben64> then you probably did it incorrectly
[19:51] <Ben64> do you not want ipv6 at all, or do you only care if ipv4 works
[19:52] <fabiobik> http.host: _eth0:ipv4_ http.port: 9200
[19:52] <theTOOLMAN> ipv6 should wait to be implemented... just like wpa3
[19:52] <fabiobik> Ben64: i want to ipv4 works
[19:52] <fabiobik> Ben64: i dont care if ipv6 is working too
[19:53] <Ben64> then it's probably already listening on ipv4
[19:53] <fabiobik> Ben64: is not
[19:53] <Ben64> how do you know
[19:53] <theTOOLMAN> netstat -lnp
[19:53] <fabiobik> https://www.dropbox.com/s/os7fpsuwpedxlts/Screenshot%202018-03-13%2019.53.37.png?dl=0
[19:53] <fabiobik> Ben64: please see
[19:54] <Ben64> that doesn't mean anything
[19:54] <Ben64> use nmap to see if the port is open
[19:54] <TJ-> fabiobik: I think the leading/trailing underscores are supposed to be quote marks and *NOT* used in the config, e.g. NOT  http.host: _eth0:ipv4_   but  this http.host: eth0:ipv4
[19:54] <Ben64> it's also "network.host"
[19:55] <Ben64> tcp6       0      0 :::80                   :::*                    LISTEN      -
[19:55] <TJ-> oh, no, I'm wrong, it does show underscores  in the Special Values
[19:55] <Ben64> is the only listing i have for port 80 listening, but it is listening on both ipv4 and ipv6
[19:56] <TJ-> fabiobik: so what Ben64 spotted  network.host: _eth0:ipv4_
[19:56] <Ben64> pretty sure it's already listening on ipv4 anyway though
[19:57] <choki> stevendale: hey
[19:57] <choki> :D
[19:57] <choki> stevendale: <3
[19:58] <stevendale> Hi choki <3
[19:58] <stevendale> !ot | choki
[19:59] <fabiobik> Ben64: im trying to access it by the vps ip and the port
[19:59] <fabiobik> on the browser and nothing happens
[19:59] <fabiobik> so im pretty sure that ipv4 is not working
[19:59] <Ben64> what port
[19:59] <fabiobik> 9200
[19:59] <theTOOLMAN> netstat -lnp | grep 80
[19:59] <fabiobik> the thefault
[19:59] <theTOOLMAN> netstat -lnp | grep 9200
[20:00] <fabiobik> root@alpha:~# netstat -lnp | grep 9200 tcp6       0      0 81.4.126.107:9200       :::*                    LISTEN      6841/java
[20:00] <Ben64> so that's the ip?
[20:00] <choki> stevendale: join #linuxmint on freenode pls :3
[20:00] <fabiobik> yeah
[20:01] <Ben64> comes up as being filtered, so check your firewall(s)
[20:01] <theTOOLMAN> lol i hope you have some kind of firewall up
[20:01] <TJ-> fabiobik: Ben64 yeah, firewalled
[20:01] <theTOOLMAN> but it is definitely listening
[20:01] <fabiobik> i cant get a response
[20:01] <theTOOLMAN> elastic should never be behind edge
[20:02] <theTOOLMAN> even if you curl http://localhost:9200?
[20:02] <fabiobik> inside the machine yes
[20:02] <Ben64> check firewall
[20:02] <theTOOLMAN> yeah def firewall
[20:02] <theTOOLMAN> iptables?
[20:03] <fabiobik> ufw
[20:03] <theTOOLMAN> if you're going to open it, i suggest only opening it to machines that you want to talk to it
[20:03] <theTOOLMAN> otherwise shodan will be all over your elastic instance
[20:03] <TJ-> Well it is elastic... so it will stretch :)
[20:03] <fabiobik> ahahh
[20:04] <TJ-> until it goes Twang!
[20:04] <fabiobik> i thought that i should query in client side
[20:04] <fabiobik> directly
[20:04] <theTOOLMAN> well you need to specify your clients
[20:04] <theTOOLMAN> otherwise hackers will be your clients
[20:04] <fabiobik> XD
[20:05] <fabiobik> shit
[20:05] <Ben64> hackers are always your clients
[20:05] <theTOOLMAN> unless you implicit deny all explicit allow specific client
[20:05] <fabiobik> great...
[20:05] <theTOOLMAN> nginx load balancer with ip access control or credential based access control
[20:05] <theTOOLMAN> if you really must have elastic on the edge
[20:06] <theTOOLMAN> otherwise some hacker somewhere is gonna introduce you to his friend bobby drop tables
[20:06] <theTOOLMAN> ';
[20:06] <r00b> Hey guys, I have a lamp stack on a Ubuntu VM running on virtualbox. I set up an apache virtualhost called 'webserver.dev' how do I access it from my host os?
[20:07] <theTOOLMAN> r00b: what port is it set to listen on?
[20:07] <r00b> 80
[20:07] <fabiobik> theTOOLMAN: thanks for the explanation
[20:07] <fabiobik> Ben64: thanks for the efforts
[20:08] <theTOOLMAN> r00b: curl http://localhost:80
[20:08] <theTOOLMAN> or if its set to be a vhost for a domain name, put in your hosts file mydomain 127.0.0.1 and then doo curl http://mydomain
[20:09] <r00b> but how can I have it setup so that when I enter 'webserver.dev' into my host os browser, it will point to vhost on vm
[20:09] <theTOOLMAN> r00b: hosts file or dns
[20:09] <theTOOLMAN> my.domain i.p.a.d.d.r
[20:13] <TJ-> r00b: if the VM has avahi service installed you don't need to edit hosts; the name should be discovered by multicast-DNS... on host use "avahi-browse -a" to check if the host can see the VM (once the VM is running avahi-daemon) - do ensure in the VM it's /etc/hostname is set to "webserver.dev"
[20:13] <rh10> guys, ubuntu 1604. unity desktop. after switch windows, using super + w (or ctrl + super + w) terminal (gnome-terminal, out of box in ubuntu) occasionally frosen. how can i fix it?
[20:13] <rh10> frozen*
[20:14] <demu> rh10 amd or intel?
[20:14] <rh10> demu, intel
[20:15] <rh10> demu, integratel video
[20:15] <rh10> integrated*
[20:15] <rh10> annoying thing at all
[20:16] <demu> I'm having same issue
[20:16] <rh10> demu, did you try different terminal emulator?
[20:18] <rh10> strange, why canonical doesn't properly tested their de...
[20:19] <demu> no, stock ubuntu. Gnome. I'm on 17.10
[20:20] <theTOOLMAN> lol
[20:20] <theTOOLMAN> unity
[20:20] <theTOOLMAN> such a joke
[20:21] <cristian_c> kostkon: I've floowed your tips, no results
[20:22] <jeremy31> theTOOLMAN There are other DE's and other Linux OS's
[20:22] <demu> rh10: I think it's a kernel panic my keyboard is lit up with a wave animation and when this happens the wave is stuck mid way through the keyboard.
[20:25] <demu> rh10: how often does it happen to you?
[20:25] <demu> for me it can go weeks without incident
[20:26] <theTOOLMAN> jeremy31: i use lxdm/gdm with xfce4
[20:26] <theTOOLMAN> i love xfce4
[20:26] <theTOOLMAN> but there is also gnome, kde, plasma, mate, lxde, openbox, and a few others
[20:26] <theTOOLMAN> and for dm, theres also kdm, sddm, lxdm, gdm
[20:27] <jeremy31> I use LM18 and Ubuntu 16.04 with Unity, 17.10 with defaults
[20:27] <jeremy31> and Cinnamon
[20:27] <theTOOLMAN> i always start with ubuntu 16.04 server and build up
[20:28] <AlexPortable> How do I choose session to use on GDM?
[20:28] <theTOOLMAN> the little gear on the bottom right by the login button
[20:28] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable:
[20:28] <AlexPortable> there is no gear, only cancel and sign in
[20:28] <theTOOLMAN> hmmm weird
[20:28] <theTOOLMAN> i have a little gear next to my login button
[20:29] <AlexPortable> https://afaikblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/login-screen.png
[20:29] <lordcirth_work> How can apt get 'No route to host' when I can curl the repo Release file?
[20:29] <theTOOLMAN> ping 8.8.8.8
[20:30] <theTOOLMAN> see if theres a route to that
[20:30] <jeremy31> AlexPortable Is that after a log out?
[20:30] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: is it inside a container?
[20:30] <AlexPortable> yes
[20:30] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, no
[20:30] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: thats the lock screen. you need to log all the way out
[20:30] <AlexPortable> jeremy31: although slightly different, it says 'sign in' instead of 'unlock'
[20:30] <lordcirth_work> theTOOLMAN, yes, I can ping 8.8.8.8.
[20:30] <jeremy31> And its 17.10?
[20:30] <AlexPortable> 18.04
[20:31] <AlexPortable> with some changes to it
[20:31] <AlexPortable> rather 17.10 and 18.04 merged together
[20:31] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: is there an apt proxy cache on the LAN?
[20:31] <demu> AlexPortable: yup I also noticed that the gear disappeared after the announcement of 18.04 will be X11 by default not sure it that's a coincidence.
[20:31] <theTOOLMAN> hmmm
[20:31] <theTOOLMAN> i guess i'm fine sticking to 16.04
[20:31] <AlexPortable> demu: and clue how i can edit it in the config files?
[20:31] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, good question, how do I check? (big LAN)
[20:31] <jeremy31> AlexPortable you might want to ask on #ubuntu+1
[20:32] <AlexPortable> jeremy31: nobody replying there
[20:32] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: well if it is something like squid-deb-proxy or apt-cacher-ng they advertise using multicast-DNS... try "avahi-browse -a"
[20:33] <jeremy31> AlexPortable also try ubuntuforums.org there is a special subforum for the development version
[20:33] <demu> AlexPortable: not sure how to do that, sorry :(
[20:33] <AlexPortable> jeremy31: well how would i change it in 17.10 in the config files/
[20:33] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, command not found.  This is Server 16.04 btw.  Also squid-deb-proxy-client isn't installed
[20:33] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: also check /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ in case there's a file with 'proxy' in it's name
[20:34] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, nope
[20:34] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: then you need to add some debug options to apt to find out what is happening... I'd suspect it's an IPv4 vs IPv6 issue
[20:34] <jeremy31> AlexPortable I am not sure if that can be done or if 17.10 would have to be a new install
[20:34] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, disabled IPv6 for apt already - had that before.  I'll look into debug flags
[20:35] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: possibly "-o Debug::Acquire::http=true"
[20:37] <rh10> demu, sorry for delayed answer. well, how often... probably 1 time on 5 switches, smth like so
[20:38] <AlexPortable> anyone else knows how to change gdm config files to set the default login session?
[20:38] <rh10> demu, how often at you,
[20:38] <rh10> ?
[20:38] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, apt update output with that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vr5f2T39vH/
[20:39] <demu> once every 2 weeks or so
[20:39] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: i'm looking for that for you
[20:40] <theTOOLMAN> lol i'm digging through archwiki which has way better answers than ubuntu wiki
[20:40] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: I don't see any host not found's there
[20:40] <theTOOLMAN> if i had to guess, it'd be in /etc/gdm3.
[20:40] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, line 103
[20:40] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: yep im there, but no idea how to include my session
[20:41] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, and yet, I can curl that exact link from the same box
[20:41] <demu> rh10: I though initially it was amd related but since you are on install that cant be right
[20:41] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: That's not apt, that's a proxy at the other end!
[20:41] <demu> install/intel
[20:41] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: the remote HTTP server is reporting HTTP/1.1 500 Connection failure
[20:41] <rh10> demu, got it
[20:42] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: that infers the host is a proxy and it is failing to contact the true destination server behind it
[20:42] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, ah, just noticed, I didn't realize it was an HTTP code.  Ok, so why would a server throw 500 when apt connects and not curl?
[20:43] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, and, I've had this with the ksplice and the Ubuntu partner repo! Which are presumably not correlated
[20:43] <lordcirth_work> Hmm, maybe firewall mangling?
[20:43] <demu> rh10: it it happens on 18.04 I will report it. once it's out officially
[20:43] <demu> s/it/if
[20:43] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: the returned header shows there's a proxy: Server: Debian Apt-Cacher NG/0.9.1
[20:44] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: most of those are hitting the apt-cacher-ng proxy
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: looks like they toook it out
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> you might have to use a new dm
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> lxdm lets me choose
[20:45] <rh10> demu, i dont think it will be happer on 18, there is gnome as default. i stil' think it's about de unity issue
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> then again i'm on 16.04
[20:45] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: well thats what im trying to do
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> lxdm is my fallback
[20:45] <AlexPortable> in lightdm i could just choose another desktop manager
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> sddm isn't bad
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> but its kde
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> and kde is big and bulky
[20:45] <theTOOLMAN> like jahva
[20:45] <AlexPortable> how do i make lxdm default login manager?
[20:45] <demu> it happens when I'm on 17.10 Gnome
[20:46] <Ben64> AlexPortable: you're on 18.04 though, right?
[20:46] <AlexPortable> Ben64: yeah
[20:46] <AlexPortable> sortof
[20:46] <Ben64> so... you gotta go to #ubuntu+1
[20:47] <AlexPortable> kinda merged two versions together, where should i be then?
[20:47] <Ben64> ##linux
[20:47] <theTOOLMAN> lololol
[20:47] <theTOOLMAN> https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/session-user.html
[20:47] <jeremy31> I wonder if this is still an issue with gdm https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=112688
[20:47] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable:
[20:47] <AlexPortable> why does ubuntu keeps removing features
[20:48] <theTOOLMAN> because they want us to all go back to arch/debian/genroo
[20:48] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: well it's in `/usr/share/xsessions/` yes
[20:48] <rh10> demu, got it. i thought you are on unity
[20:48] <AlexPortable> "Will be fixed in the next kdebase-workspace package." 2011-02-06
[20:48] <AlexPortable> after installing lxdm i now get a commandline and no gui
[20:49] <demu> rh10:nope, gnome. I think we will be stuck with this issue :( we can only hope it works it self out
[20:49] <theTOOLMAN> systemctl start lxdm
[20:49] <theTOOLMAN> does that do anything?
[20:49] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, found it, someone other than me apparently did configure apt-cacher-ng in /etc/apt/apt.conf (not even using .d grr)
[20:49] <AlexPortable> authenticating asks me to login
[20:49] <AlexPortable> authentication is required to start lxdm.service, after logging in == authentication complete ==
[20:50] <AlexPortable> switching to tty7 helped
[20:50] <theTOOLMAN> ahhh
[20:50] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: :D
[20:50] <theTOOLMAN> did you start it as you or root?
[20:50] <rh10> demu, i think, i'll switch to xfce de. dont like that issue. not handy at all
[20:50] <AlexPortable> me
[20:50] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: typical isn't it!
[20:50] <theTOOLMAN> rh10: i love xfce
[20:50] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, grep -r, my fav debugging tool...
[20:50] <rh10> theTOOLMAN, cool de, agreed
[20:51] <demu> rh10: I can live with it for now. you are the first person I've run into that has this issue. It possible it specific to our systems
[20:51] <theTOOLMAN> i would love to get cinnamon/mate working
[20:51] <theTOOLMAN> but i just don't have time
[20:51] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: it'd be helpful if apt debug showed the proxy server it is using
[20:51] <lordcirth_work> very
[20:51] <rh10> demu, probably. btw, what's vga in your system?
[20:51] <theTOOLMAN> me?
[20:52] <AlexPortable> how can i get a taskbar with text on ubuntu?
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> in xfce?
[20:52] <demu> rh10: GeForce 1080
[20:52] <demu> Nvidia
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> demu: niccce
[20:52] <Guest19650> hi
[20:52] <jeremy31> theTOOLMAN Cinnamon works fine from the repos in 16.04.  Haven't tried in 17.10
[20:52] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: in default ubuntu
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> demu: i just installed a 710
[20:52] <rh10> demu, got it. im using intel integrated vga
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: a taskbar?
[20:52] <tcafe> reset
[20:52] <theTOOLMAN> in your terminal or in xfce?
[20:53] <tcafe> hi
[20:53] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: well do you know windows xp?
[20:53] <theTOOLMAN> i do
[20:53] <tcafe> reset my computer
[20:53] <tcafe> hey
[20:53] <AlexPortable> it has a taskbar on the bottom with what i have open, left bottom corner menu to get to applications, right bottom corner t ime and notifications and whatnot
[20:53] <demu> theTOOLMAN: just dropped $2500 on my new rig. wife not happy
[20:53] <tcafe> who is thisn __
[20:53] <theTOOLMAN> demu: damnnnn
[20:53] <tcafe> helpp !!
[20:53] <theTOOLMAN> demu: i went to the computer junkyard the other day
[20:53] <AlexPortable> tcafe: help with what?
[20:54] <tcafe> how csn i reset ubunto linux system _
[20:54] <AlexPortable> what do you mean reset?
[20:54] <theTOOLMAN> someone took them all the equipment from the renderfarm at the football stadium for the jumbotron
[20:54] <theTOOLMAN> got me a 24 core 48gb ram dual socket machine for $200
[20:54] <tcafe> which cht is this_ omg
[20:54] <tcafe> where iam __
[20:54] <tcafe> wtf
[20:54] <AlexPortable> tcafe: you are in #ubuntu on irc
[20:54] <tcafe> woow
[20:55] <tcafe> i never be here befor
[20:55] <tcafe> hehe
[20:55] <tcafe> i just get som old computer
[20:55] <tcafe> whit ubunto systse
[20:55] <AlexPortable> nice
[20:55] <tcafe> helpp_
[20:56] <tcafe> cn i use this chat on windows too-â
[20:56] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: so you're trying to get a similar taskbar in xfce?
[20:56] <lordcirth_work> tcafe, please don't use Enter as punctuation.  Did you have a question?
[20:56] <AlexPortable> theTOOLMAN: nah in ubuntu
[20:56] <demu> theTOOLMAN: never liked buying used PC parts. Never had a good experience.
[20:56] <AlexPortable> the interface 'ubuntu'
[20:56] <lordcirth_work> tcafe, yes, look up "IRC clients"
[20:56] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: you mean gnome or unity?
[20:56] <tcafe> what_â
[20:56] <AlexPortable> gnome i think
[20:56] <theTOOLMAN> demu: you should see all the equipment i got
[20:56] <tcafe> i have levo
[20:56] <tcafe> vo
[20:56] <theTOOLMAN> including a new thinkpad
[20:56] <Ashley_> Hi all, complete Linux newbie here and looking to install Lubuntu on an old HP laptop. So I already installed using a usb stick created with Rufus (installed from within the Try without installing). I then chose to dual-boot but I don't see a choice upon reboot. Is this not possible?
[20:57] <tcafe> ubunto is pool
[20:57] <theTOOLMAN> lol dualboot
[20:57] <tcafe> not good sysyte â
[20:57] <tcafe> windows better
[20:57] <demu> One time got a used HD. Then found out it was 5 years old. hummm..
[20:57] <tcafe> alooo_
[20:57] <theTOOLMAN> Ashley_: did it not run grub-install?
[20:57] <tcafe> can i use this chat on windows _-
[20:57] <Ashley_> No idea
[20:57] <theTOOLMAN> demu: i got a used 512g ssd for $10
[20:57] <tcafe> i mean hex chat
[20:57] <Ashley_> Remember...newb
[20:57] <theTOOLMAN> ahhhh newbs should do bare metal not dual boot
[20:58] <theTOOLMAN> dual boot is for those who understand grub
[20:58] <demu> that a good deal. even if it fails in year
[20:58] <tcafe> ur from ashly_---------
[20:58] <Ashley_> Yeah well I don't want to wipe out Windows just yet
[20:58] <theTOOLMAN> virtual box?
[20:58] <theTOOLMAN> not scared to take the leap?
[20:58] <tcafe> Ashlyeeyyyâ
[20:58] <theTOOLMAN> i always install ubuntu from a dvd. not too thrilled with the usb stuff
[20:59] <Ashley_> theTOOLMAN: Why did you lol at dualboot?
[20:59] <tcafe> i need help
[21:00] <tcafe> mohammad
[21:00] <theTOOLMAN> because noobs who don't understand one OS are going to have a problem with 2 os
[21:00] <tcafe> habibi kefa
[21:00] <theTOOLMAN> tcafe: whats your problem?
[21:00] <tcafe> my pr is ubnto
[21:00] <theTOOLMAN> what is a pr?
[21:00] <tcafe> pr problem
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> what about ubuntu?
[21:01] <tcafe> how to reset ubonto
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> reinstall it from scratch
[21:01] <tcafe> whit out cd or usb
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> yeah, you're probably sol on that
[21:01] <tcafe> how to back to windows
[21:01] <tcafe> 7_
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> hahahahahahahaha
[21:01] <tcafe> hshaahahahah
[21:01] <theTOOLMAN> you need an iso of windows 7 to burn on a cd to install
[21:01] <tcafe> pusssy
[21:01] <tcafe> lesten bo
[21:01] <tcafe> ilove you
[21:02] <tcafe> lesten bro
[21:02] <tcafe> lesten
[21:02] <tcafe> plz
[21:02] <Ashley_> tcafe: It's 'how do I go back to Windows?'
[21:02] <theTOOLMAN> 8[21:02] <tcafe> yes
[21:02] <tcafe> bach windows
[21:02] <tcafe> ur from-
[21:02] <tcafe> ur from-
[21:02] <theTOOLMAN> download windows 7 iso, burn to disk, and install it
[21:02] <AlexPortable> Ashley_: don't mind him
[21:02] <tcafe> tnx for help
[21:03] <tcafe> can use the hex chat on windows too
[21:03] <theTOOLMAN> no. ubuntu chat is for ubuntu
[21:03] <tcafe> HEHE
[21:03] <theTOOLMAN> #garbage is for windows
[21:03] <tcafe> OK TNX
[21:03] <theTOOLMAN> oh well bye everyone
[21:03] <tcafe> BYE
[21:03] <tcafe> GUYS
[21:04] <theTOOLMAN> finally
[21:04] <theTOOLMAN> dude was getting annoying
[21:12] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: you find the answer yet?
[21:12] <theTOOLMAN> i don't know how to make taskbars in gnome
[21:12] <theTOOLMAN> thats why i dont use it
[21:13] <AlexPortable> nope
[21:14] <theTOOLMAN> AlexPortable: i think they're trying to push us away from ubuntu
[21:14] <theTOOLMAN> got to big]
[21:14] <theTOOLMAN> time to cool it down some
[21:14] <theTOOLMAN> lets hand ourselves over to M$
[21:15] <theTOOLMAN> and lets start taking their customizability away from them
[21:15] <theTOOLMAN> they'll be happy to use emerge instead of apt
[21:16] <gary-busey> hello everybdy!!! I cant believe I Lost my nickname password, iveused it for DECADES.... JUST DO /ns info ridisk and you'll see
[21:16] <gary-busey> but anyway,l i have an issue
[21:16] <AlexPortable> ridisk is not registered.
[21:17] <gary-busey> no
[21:17] <gary-busey> ripdisk
[21:17] <gary-busey> wih a p
[21:17] <gary-busey> ripdisk
[21:17] <gary-busey> its registered for 11 yearsnow
[21:17] <gary-busey> ANYWAH0
[21:17] <gary-busey> i neeed a bit of help
[21:17] <gary-busey> itseems ubuntu haschanged a bit
[21:17] <theTOOLMAN> lol
[21:17] <AlexPortable> 'a bit' hehe
[21:17] <gary-busey> wellll, you see... ihave an old version onthis compuer
[21:17] <theTOOLMAN> thats what i was just saying
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> 10.04?
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> 12.04?
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> 14.04?
[21:18] <gary-busey> willy warefwul
[21:18] <gary-busey> f
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> i'm on 16.04 so that can't be old
[21:18] <gary-busey> willy warewulf
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> jeez i don't know the code names
[21:18] <gary-busey> i'm using 15.10
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> oh haah i'm on xenial
[21:18] <gary-busey> ANYWAY, here's m question:
[21:18] <theTOOLMAN> so you must be on 14.o4
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> cat /etc/lsb-release
[21:19] <AlexPortable> Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf)
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> ahhhh
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> ok
[21:19] <gary-busey> wha is the process to upgrade from 15.10 to the new one?
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> so i'd recommend an upgrade to 16.04 and hang on tight
[21:19] <gary-busey> or a new-er one
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> do-release-upgrade
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> if it's still supported
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> which i don't think it is
[21:19] <theTOOLMAN> otherwise you'll get 404's and 403's
[21:20] <gary-busey> so, there's no way to just upgrade from terminal?
[21:20] <theTOOLMAN> do-release-upgrade
[21:20] <gary-busey> jeez thats like windows stff
[21:20] <theTOOLMAN> but when they go out of support, they knock out the mirrors for apt
[21:20] <theTOOLMAN> thats why you stick with lts
[21:21] <gary-busey> ok, do-release-pgrade is doin' something
[21:21] <TJ-> When a release goes End-Of-Life the archives are moved en-bloc to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ so a simple edit of apt's sources.list allows updates prior to a do-release-upgrade
[21:22] <TJ-> !eol | gary-busey
[21:22] <theTOOLMAN> TJ-: thats good to know. maybe i can finally upgrade artistx!
[21:23] <theTOOLMAN> we just missed 420
[21:23] <TJ-> and do-release-upgrade was 'taught' how to deal with that situation without manual intervention, from 16.04 I think it is
[21:32] <demu> I've just installed a test machine of 18.04. I've also set it up so when I type apt it asks have you checked snap. my quest is if you move to 18.04 will you try using snap more? and it this good a idea?
[21:32] <demu> question
[21:33] <theTOOLMAN> demu: what is snap?
[21:33] <demu> lol (sorry about all the typos)
[21:34] <theTOOLMAN> all this weirdness you guys keep talking about, i'm ready to just move back to gentoo
[21:34] <theTOOLMAN> emerge install xfce4
[21:35] <demu> I remember when installing gnome was a 13 hour endeavor on gentoo.
[21:36] <demu> this is like 10+ years back
[21:36] <demu> maybe 15
[21:36] <theTOOLMAN> lol
[21:37] <theTOOLMAN> i think my total thinkpad build is about 2 hours now
[21:37] <demu> lol feel so old now :(
[21:38] <theTOOLMAN> 15 years ago i was messing around with mandrake on madnriva or something like that
[21:38] <theTOOLMAN> come a long way
[21:39] <theTOOLMAN> now my three mains are ubuntu, gentoo, and centos
[21:39] <theTOOLMAN> though i do have a ton of free/net bsd
[21:39] <demu> I remember mandrake, only OS that supported my CD drive :)
[21:39] <theTOOLMAN> hahaha
[21:41] <theTOOLMAN> i'm surprised at how laptop stable ubu has become
[21:41] <theTOOLMAN> i run it on both of my thinkpads
[21:42] <stevendale> I need to fix Ubuntu dock
[21:42] <stevendale> Hi, Ubuntu 16.04.4 icons won't disappear from dock
[21:42] <stevendale> How do I restart the launcher?
[21:42] <theTOOLMAN> stevendale: unity or xfce?
[21:42] <stevendale> Unity
[21:43] <theTOOLMAN> ehhh can't help you there
[21:43] <stevendale> I'll just logout and see if that fixes it
[21:43] <theTOOLMAN> when in doubt, reboot
[21:44] <demu> Must say love the minimal install. don't use libreoffice and nice to see it not update all the time.
[21:45] <theTOOLMAN> i always start from a server image
[21:45] <theTOOLMAN> and i do install libreoffice
[21:45] <theTOOLMAN> because libredraw is life
[21:47] <demu> Have OneDrive account and use the Microsoft Office web thingy. So I don't have a need for it.
[21:48] <theTOOLMAN> blehh
[21:48] <theTOOLMAN> but i will say, the one M$ product i like is onenote
[21:50] <gary-busey> so is this upgrade taking me allthe way to the new one or just the next version after the one ih ave
[21:51] <demu> theTOOLMAN: it does the job for me. works well with my workflow and I'm mostly in terminal and atom anyways. these days I pretty much just care about my workflow and not whats hip.
[21:52] <demu> oddly enough thats way I came back to ubu ;)
[21:52] <demu> s/way/why
[21:54] <GeyGuuuu> Does anybody know any web-based file manager who supports mouse input?
[21:55] <demu> GeyGuuuu: like electron app?
[21:56] <demu> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/jumpfm-electron-file-manager
[21:56] <demu> and electron is a chromium based app so html/javascript
[21:57] <tomreyn> gary-busey: depends on what you are upgrading from / whether you changed the target from the default.
[21:57] <tomreyn> by default, lts releases upgrade to lts releases only, and non-lts releases upgrade to whatever is next
[21:58] <demu> GeyGuuuu: unfortunately its a keyboard driven app but it might support mouse
[21:59] <GeyGuuuu> demu yeah, would really like mouse, its only for cleaning upp harddrive after torrentfiles on the server
[22:00] <demu> ohh, this is a headless server you want to connect to and have a gui. Am I understanding this correct?
[22:00] <GeyGuuuu> yeah
[22:01] <sveinse> I have installed 4.16.0-041600rc4-generic from kernel-ppa/mainline (I think) on my 17.10. I notice that my gnome now use wayland, while the old rc 4.15.0-041500rc9, use Xorg and the nvidia driver. Is there a driver or config that I might be missing?
[22:02] <sveinse> TJ-: ^
[22:02] <theTOOLMAN> GeyGuuuu: why not just use ls/cd/rm/cp/mv?
[22:03] <orcus-de> GeyGuuuu:   connect from your local filemanager using sftp
[22:03] <tomreyn> demu: apparently there is http://cloudcmd.io/ https://www.tecmint.com/cloud-commander-browser-based-file-manager-for-linux/ - I would not recommend exposing file systems to the internet, though
[22:03] <fa0> Hello
[22:03] <sveinse> where does wayland put its log?
[22:03] <TJ-> sveinse: I guess that happens because the nvidia driver won't build against 4.16, so the system uses nouveau, which I presume Wayland is OK with
[22:03] <tomreyn> demu: what orcus-de  said
[22:04] <sveinse> TJ-: yes, makes sense. Since I cannot use any of the externals screens with wayland
[22:04] <GeyGuuuu> theTOOLMAN have just been using mc for so long
[22:04] <fa0> I'm playing around with 17.10, and trying to figure out the simplest/best way to prevent dns leaks with the networkmanager, while using openvpn, if anyone can please help? In the past, it was simple as comment out the dns line in the NetworkManger.conf, not sure, but it seems like things have changed in 17.10...
[22:04] <GeyGuuuu> just figured something new must have gotten to the tabel at this time
[22:06] <demu> GeyGuuuu: there are many solutions to your problem. Just be careful exposing file systems to the internet as tomreyn mentioned.
[22:06] <theTOOLMAN> yes i third not exposing things to a web client on the interwezzz
[22:07] <GeyGuuuu> demu yeah, nothing will get exposed to the internet, just allow list of local ip, and the sftp u need to login as root right?
[22:08] <rh10> demu, did you try xfce-terminal? im installed it, works fine. we both you and i using gnome-terminal
[22:08] <sveinse> No that isn't it. I have nvidia drivers under /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-384/kernel-.../ for the newest rc. So why doesn't it load it then I wonder
[22:08] <theTOOLMAN> well shit i just came up with an idea since you want to do it that way
[22:08] <rh10> demu, can issue be in this?
[22:08] <theTOOLMAN> sshfs on your local machine
[22:08] <tomreyn> GeyGuuuu: you don't *have* to, you login as whatever user you can / need to, limiting access to what this user can access. it's the same with the web apps: they can only provide access to what they already have access to, so the web server or application will need to run as root for full access.
[22:08] <theTOOLMAN> and then use your gui file manager as if you were working on the remote machine
[22:09] <tomreyn> or go three times around the planet and back into your system and get the same as with local access just much slower!
[22:10] <theTOOLMAN> huh?'
[22:10]  * tomreyn was joking
[22:10] <GeyGuuuu> cloudcmd was alright tho
[22:11] <demu> rh10: considering how sporadic it is I feel like it could be anything. That's why I'm kind of ignoring it and hoping it goes away :/
[22:13] <sveinse> Just found a thread on nvidia dev lists that the nvidia driver isn't too fond of 4.16 yet. I'll just revert to 4.15 for now.
[22:13] <sveinse> Do we know at this point what kernel version 18.04 will use?
[22:13] <TJ-> sveinse: you can simply select to use the Xorg driver in gdm3.conf
[22:14] <TJ-> sveinse: 18.04 = v4.15
[22:14] <jeremy31> 4.15 is to be in 18.04
[22:14] <demu> 4.15
[22:14] <sveinse> got it guys :P
[22:15] <TJ-> sveinse: disabling Wayland: https://askubuntu.com/questions/975094/how-to-disable-wayland-in-17-10-in-gdm3-login-screen
[22:15] <sveinse> TJ-: thanks
[22:16] <demu> Not 100% sure but I think if you do a new install of 17.10 it defaults to X11
[22:16] <Jordan_U> TJ-: sveinse: My guess is that the lack of external monitors has nothing to do with Wayland vs Xorg and everything to do with nouveau vs proprietary driver.
[22:17] <Jordan_U> demu: 17.10 defaults to Wayland (where available) 18.04 will default to Xorg.
[22:17] <demu> sorry I was wong
[22:17] <sveinse> Jordan_U: yes, I found that my 4.16 rc kernel doesn't work with the nvidia driver, so it'll revert to nouveau. I can't answer why it selected wayland thou
[22:17] <demu>  echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE wayland
[22:17] <demu> Jordan_U: yup
[22:19] <sveinse> ooi, how volatile is 18.04 at this point? Is it stable enough to start experimenting with it, and perhaps use it? Or can there still be major breakings?
[22:19] <demu> Although I'm happy about this right now I can only imagine how dated 18.04 will feel in 2020
[22:19] <kostkon> !ubuntu+1 | sveinse
[22:20] <CodeBug> :)
[22:20] <CodeBug> when does 18.04 drop
[22:20] <CodeBug> I know its a loaded question.
[22:20] <demu> 5 years but 20.04 will be LTS
[22:20] <kostkon> CodeBug, why is it loaded?
[22:21] <CodeBug> so 2020 will be when 18.04 comes out?
[22:21] <CodeBug> that kinda sucks but i wanted to update to latest 17 from 16.04lts but am afraid of not alot of support
[22:22] <demu> 18.04 will come out next month and 20.04 will come out April 2020
[22:22] <CodeBug> oh cool.
[22:22] <demu> just think year.month
[22:22] <CodeBug> so i should go ahead and update to 17.10 and then wait till 18.04 comes out which wont be an LTS right?
[22:22] <tgm4883> 18.04 is an LTS
[22:23] <tgm4883> April of even years are LTS
[22:23] <demu> year.month and LTS on "even" years so 18 20 22 ...
[22:24] <demu> and LTS are always release in April
[22:24] <demu> btw I love that ubuntu does this. Make it so simple :)
[22:25] <demu> makes*
[22:25] <kostkon> CodeBug, you will be able to upgrade directly from 16.04 to 18.04
[22:27] <CodeBug> but I dont wanna wait :(
[22:28] <demu> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:29] <demu> or build a time-machine ;)
[22:29] <theTOOLMAN> or just chill and wiatr
[22:29] <theTOOLMAN> wait
[22:30] <demu> weed is legal now, so it shouldn't be to hard
[22:31] <theTOOLMAN> i wish it was legal here
[22:31] <theTOOLMAN> until then, i have to hide my jar and not let cops come to my house
[22:32] <demu> lol I'm in colorado. one of the first states to legalize it
[22:33] <tomreyn> upgrades to 18.04 will probably not be available before july, though.
[22:33] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[22:41] <saitoh183> hi all
[22:41] <diogenes74> hi
[22:41] <demu> hi
[22:41] <theTOOLMAN> herro
[22:42] <theTOOLMAN> i found out what broke my gdm/xfce
[22:42] <theTOOLMAN> it was keychain
[22:42] <theTOOLMAN> not sure why though
[22:42] <saitoh183> My machine is still on ubuntu 16.10 (forgot to swicth it )and now i cant install anything on it because it fails with errors to no source avaialbe....but i need ftp on it so i can backup my stuff so i can install a fresh supported version
[22:42] <theTOOLMAN> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/792
[22:42] <nacc> !eolupgrade | saitoh183
[22:43] <saitoh183> yes i know
[22:43] <nacc> saitoh183: follow the instructions there to add the old-releases repository
[22:43] <nacc> saitoh183: then upgrade
[22:43] <theTOOLMAN> that url will tell you what to do
[22:43] <kostkon> saitoh183, backup and upgrade
[22:43] <saitoh183> what im affraid of is that if something goes wrong , my data isnt backup up (ovh server)
[22:44] <nacc> saitoh183: read what I wrote again
[22:44] <nacc> saitoh183: enable old-releases, install ftp, backup, then upgrade
[22:44] <saitoh183> yeah i tried to install ftp but still got errors and this is after i added old-release
[22:45] <saitoh183> i did this : sudo sed -i -re 's/([a-z]{2}\.)?archive.ubuntu.com|security.ubuntu.com/old-releases.ubuntu.com/g' /etc/apt/sources.list and then a apt-get update
[22:45] <nacc> saitoh183: well, it's impossible to help you without pastebin logs, etc.
[22:46] <nacc> saitoh183: taht is incorrect for security, as well
[22:46] <nacc> saitoh183: so, maybe, again, *read* the wiki page
[22:46] <nacc> saitoh183: and stop trying to script an already difficult thing
[22:46] <theTOOLMAN> lol
[22:46] <diogenes74> 2 1337 4 m3
[22:47] <nacc> saitoh183: i'm not intending to be rude, but you dismissed the help already given, and then did something incorrect.
[22:47] <saitoh183> im not...im just trying to state what i have done so far...never said i would check what you posted :)
[22:48] <demu> nacc: https://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[22:48] <nacc> saitoh183: what you did was incorrect
[22:48] <demu> I think he is using this
[22:48] <nacc> demu: well, that's sad, since there is an official wiki page that documents the correct thing to do
[22:49] <nacc> doesn't need an AU article that is outdated :)
[22:49] <sveinse> I have a 4k HiDPI screen, so I had to install a much larger grub font using GRUB_FONT in /etc/default/grub. After the latest update (I'm on 17.10), I've started getting "double" windows in Grub. One with the original black background and small fonts, and the other with the ubuntu color and large font I've specified. Both alternating quickly when I'm changing menu items. Anyone seen this?
[22:49] <orcus-de> saitoh183: if ovh server is related to the provider ovh - they should have a backup-feature to create some snapshot you could just restore in case you break something
[22:49] <saitoh183> checking links...and will try again
[22:49] <nacc> orcus-de: good point; doing backups by hand in virtualized environemnts means you are doing something wrong :)
[22:49] <diogenes74> when is next lts release
[22:49] <nacc> diogenes74: release is april of this year
[22:50] <nacc> diogenes74: the upgrade from 16.04 will be available around july or so
[22:50] <theTOOLMAN> next month
[22:50] <dax> diogenes74: April 26th, assuming no delays
[22:50] <theTOOLMAN> and then 6 months till anyone adopts it hahahaha
[22:50] <diogenes74> lol cheers
[22:51] <saitoh183> orcus-de its SYS, if it was ovh.ca then i wouldnt be in this problem. SYS offers a free 100GB FTP accessible backup location that you can connect to only via the server. i didnt realise ftp wasnt install so i cant use it to backup my stuff till i can install ftp
[22:51] <theTOOLMAN> why are you using ftp?
[22:52] <theTOOLMAN> rsync is by far superior
[22:52] <theTOOLMAN> rsync -av user@remote.host:/path/to/folder /path/to/local/folder
[22:52] <saitoh183> because FTP is the only way they offer to get to the backup...not my choice
[22:53] <theTOOLMAN> so then how can you ssh in to install ftp?
[22:53] <demu> saitoh183: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[22:54] <saitoh183> SSH into server...ftp to backup server space via my server. it is not all on the same box
[22:54] <saitoh183> demu yeah looking at it now
[22:54] <theTOOLMAN> so why not just spin up a new instance?
[22:55] <saitoh183> new instance ?
[22:55] <theTOOLMAN> your server is at home?
[22:55] <theTOOLMAN> or in the cloud?
[22:56] <saitoh183> it is in a datacenter SoYouStart dedicated server
[22:56] <theTOOLMAN> so spin up a new instance with 16.04
[22:56] <theTOOLMAN> and attach your storage to it
[22:57] <saitoh183> this will wipe my data
[22:57] <saitoh183> which i need to backup first
[22:57] <theTOOLMAN> so the server and the backup are on the same machine?
[22:57] <saitoh183> no...the backup is not done yet
[22:58] <theTOOLMAN> and why can't you use rsync?
[22:58] <diogenes74> whats a good lightweight browser that isnt chrome
[22:59] <diogenes74> firefox sucks on this little machine
[22:59] <demu> diogenes74: https://brave.com/
[22:59] <saitoh183> theTOOLMAN From SYS: We'd like to remind you that you've chosen FTP backup
[22:59] <saitoh183> via Manager. The connection with FTP server is only possible from the
[22:59] <saitoh183> level of your server.
[22:59] <theTOOLMAN> oh that sucks
[23:00] <theTOOLMAN> can you just install filezilla on your home computer and ftp your backup from there
[23:00] <theTOOLMAN> ?
[23:00] <demu> not sure how lightweight it is
[23:00] <diogenes74> thanks
[23:00] <saitoh183> hours to upload after  with 10mbit connection
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> so you're going to move it to a server that is on an old os and is going to need to be rebuilt?
[23:01] <sveinse> is there a ftpfs fuse available? Then you could perhaps do it with rsync?
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> sounds redundant to me
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> RAID array
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> isn't the array redundant?
[23:01] <theTOOLMAN> no thats the r
[23:02] <saitoh183> if i can install ftp and backup data, then i can just use upgrade and if shit goes bad. i will just format the server and install 16.04  and restore data from ftp
[23:02] <theTOOLMAN> so the backup is of the server you're backing up to?
[23:02] <saitoh183> no
[23:02] <theTOOLMAN> so why not upgrade first, then transfer data
[23:03] <theTOOLMAN> or install a fresh instance and copy data
[23:03] <saitoh183> its a single 120SSD disk
[23:03] <saitoh183> well raid
[23:03] <theTOOLMAN> yeah so prepare your backup destination before you do the backup
[23:04] <theTOOLMAN> ps: 8TB drives $149 at bestbuy
[23:04] <theTOOLMAN> WD Reds that is
[23:05]  * wolfe waves
[23:06] <theTOOLMAN> *wave*
[23:06] <demu> theTOOLMAN: 8TB, that a lot of p! ;)
[23:06] <theTOOLMAN> yes it is
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> i grabbed 2 of them sunday
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> they come with a free usb3 to sata converter
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> but thats easy to remove
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> can't wait to see this 60TB SSD that samsung has been talking about
[23:07] <theTOOLMAN> idk what'll be better. that or my fleshlight
[23:08] <diogenes74> brave installing
[23:09] <demu> 60TB SSD. yup, mark zuckerberg can afford it
[23:10] <demu> elon musk
[23:10] <wulung> any ubuntu wiki maintainer here ?
[23:10] <demu> elon musk and maybe two other people
[23:10] <Budgii_> demu, how much does a 60TB ssd go for?
[23:11] <demu> Budgii_: ask theTOOLMAN
[23:11] <demu> I know I can't :(
[23:12] <Budgii_> I just g00gled it, runs about 10K a unit from what I read. Wow!
[23:13] <Budgii_> theTOOLMAN, 8TB ssd's at best buy?
[23:13] <theTOOLMAN> yes
[23:14] <Budgii_> send me a link please
[23:14] <theTOOLMAN> says $180 here but i paid 149 in store
[23:14] <theTOOLMAN> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-8tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/5792401.p?skuId=5792401
[23:14] <Budgii_> wow, thanks!
[23:14] <Budgii_> too bad it wasn't an internal ssd xD
[23:14] <theTOOLMAN> thats an hdd
[23:14] <theTOOLMAN> its a WD Red
[23:15] <Budgii_> ah, thought it was SSD.
[23:15] <theTOOLMAN> you just have to pull it out of their fancy plastic carrier
[23:15] <vkt> Can someone give me a hint as to how I would update the firmware of a networkbooted device if /boot isn't mountable due to it being accessed through tftp via initramfs?
[23:16] <CodeBug> ok how do i upgrade to 17.04?
[23:17] <CodeBug> I changed the updates to normal from LTS and ran sudo apt-get update and then it returned it to the original system state and didn't update
[23:17] <CodeBug> :(
[23:17] <stevendale> CodeBug, Using Software Updater, you go into settings and set it to notify you of new releases, not just new LTS releases
[23:17] <CodeBug> Did that
[23:17] <stevendale> Okay
[23:17] <jeremy31> CodeBug You can't upgrade to 17.04 it is unsupportes
[23:18] <CodeBug> ok so how do i get from 16.04LTS to 17.10
[23:18] <theTOOLMAN> why would you want to do that?
[23:18] <Budgii_> so the 60TB SSD at 10K is actually a good deal
[23:18] <stevendale> Budgii_, Yeah that's a good deal
[23:18] <theTOOLMAN> i'm sure it is
[23:18] <theTOOLMAN> but you'd want two of them
[23:18] <theTOOLMAN> because god forbid one dies
[23:18] <Budgii_> for a 1TB sandisk, 60*249.99 = 14999.4
[23:18] <CodeBug> ok Jeremy or Steven help???
[23:19] <Budgii_> Heck just get 3 of em, for sake of having 3
[23:19] <Budgii_> use them in place of gold for barter.
[23:19] <theTOOLMAN> f it.. get 6
[23:19] <theTOOLMAN> and do a raid 15
[23:19] <jeremy31> CodeBug Why?  17.10 expires in August
[23:19] <wulung> yeah 3 better than 2
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> alright y'all i'mma dip out. not sure when i'll be back
[23:20] <Budgii_> okay lets be honest who here could utilize 60TB?
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> i could at work
[23:20] <Budgii_> o/ theTOOLMAN
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> i have trouble filling a 2tb at home
[23:20] <Budgii_> maybe at work yeah lol
[23:20] <jeremy31> CodeBug If the LTS works, stick with it
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> i second that
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> 16.04lts
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> stick with it
[23:20] <CodeBug> aww.
[23:20] <CodeBug> ok.
[23:20] <CodeBug> lol
[23:20] <theTOOLMAN> unless you like headaches
[23:21] <theTOOLMAN> if y'all wanna find me, irc.teale.us #home
[23:21] <Budgii_> peace
[23:21] <wulung> second to stick with 16.04 lts
[23:21] <cheguacamole> animators?
[23:22] <wulung> use ppa if u want certain recent apps
[23:24] <vkt> Can someone give me a hint as to how I would update the firmware of a networkbooted device if /boot isn't mountable due to it being accessed through tftp via initramfs?
[23:24] <diogenes74> brave crashed my machine
[23:24] <diogenes74> lol
[23:25] <wulung> non-lts is headache for update freak, cost a lot of bandwidth
[23:29] <CodeBug> lol i understand.
[23:29] <CodeBug> so I guess i wont be updatign to 17.10 after all
[23:30] <CodeBug> updating
[23:32] <CodeBug> how do i update to 17.10 though if i wanted to from 16.04
[23:32] <CodeBug> because i plan on going from 17.10 to 18.04 next month
[23:33] <nacc> CodeBug: update your /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades to says "normal" and then do a do-release-upgrade ?
[23:35] <CodeBug> it says getting upgrade and reading cache
[23:35] <CodeBug> reading state information done.
[23:35] <CodeBug> Calculating changes....
[23:35] <Exterminador> that will take a bit to upgrade. assuming it doesn't complain about anything else :)
[23:35] <CodeBug> Aborting
[23:36] <CodeBug> Could not calculate upgrade
[23:36] <CodeBug> :(
[23:36] <vkt> exporting the tftpboot dir and mounting it at /boot on the client worked
[23:37] <CodeBug> changed the update server from US to Main
[23:37] <CodeBug> trying again
[23:40] <CodeBug> Ok question
[23:40] <CodeBug> getting GLib-Critical Errors
[23:42] <diogenes74> does pia work well on ubuntu
[23:48] <tolland> ive got a 17.10 machine which is set to get ip via DHCP. I did a renew, and looking at /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases it shows "fixed-address 172.28.128.5;" for the correct interface
[23:48] <tolland> but ifconfig is showing it listening on 172.28.128.1 , which is actually the ip of the dhcp server. Any ideas how to kick it
[23:48] <XWX777> ??
[23:50] <XWX777> Hmei7
[23:54] <evangeline__> ubuntu mate just installed on old netbook. Every other reboot fails
[23:54] <evangeline__> bios boot issue?=
[23:55] <evangeline__> 16.04. Any ideas welcome
[23:57] <Marqeaux> Ubuntu Mate 32 or 64-bits?
[23:58] <CodeBug> Ubuntu Mate 64
[23:58] <marchesini> Hi
[23:58] <Marqeaux> Is it a 64-bit netbook?