[00:33] <Kali_Yuga> hello there should be an option 'get new looks': https://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=10474254. apparently it's missing on mine https://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=19832668 running kcmshell5 kcm_lookandfeel
[00:33] <Kali_Yuga> results in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SDk8hCbDP2/
[00:36] <Kali_Yuga> maybe it's my version 5.8.9..?
[00:40] <valorie> Kali_Yuga: which version of kubuntu?
[00:41] <Kali_Yuga> 16.04
[00:41] <Kali_Yuga> with backports ppa
[00:41] <valorie> I have two available for me in plasma 5.12.3
[00:41] <valorie> could be, yes
[00:41] <valorie> have you tried the download button to get more choices?
[00:42] <valorie> "get new looks"
[00:42] <Kali_Yuga> that button is missing on mine
[00:43] <valorie> oh right
[00:43] <valorie> I only clicked on your first link, sorry
[00:44] <Kali_Yuga> running
[00:44] <Kali_Yuga> kcmshell5 kcm_lookandfeel results in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SDk8hCbDP2/
[00:44] <valorie> when you click down though, can you get desktop, cursor, etc.?
[00:45] <Kali_Yuga> yes I can get a new theme there
[00:45] <valorie> possibly that kcm has been remade in the nearly 2 years since 16.04 was released
[00:45] <valorie> that's one of the issues with running an LTS
[00:46] <Kali_Yuga> thats why i added the backports ppa to get a more recent version.
[00:47] <valorie> right, but we can only do that in specific instances where things still work together
[00:48] <valorie> we won't backport things we can't test and find successful
[00:49] <valorie> you'll be able to upgrade to the next LTS this summer
[00:49] <valorie> or even late spring
[00:49] <Kali_Yuga> so why exaclty is this feature missing
[00:49] <valorie> whenever 18.04.1 comes out
[00:50] <valorie> plasma relies on kde frameworks
[00:50] <Kali_Yuga> if it;s not to buggy
[00:50] <valorie> so it's not a matter of just backporting plasma
[00:50] <valorie> at a certain point it's just not workable
[00:50] <valorie> we have an all volunteer crew here
[00:51] <valorie> and if it is a choice between patching stuff to work on the old LTS or working on the next one, guess what wins?
[00:52] <valorie> this is why I use LTS only for testing and always run current or the next version
[00:52] <valorie> I like new stuff
[00:52] <Kali_Yuga> I think old software is sometimes more stable less buggy
[00:52] <valorie> it's always a balancing act, yeah
[00:54] <Kali_Yuga> so why exactly was this feature missing? because of the lts or a bug?
[00:55] <valorie> no idea really
[00:55] <valorie> it looks like a new design to me
[00:55] <valorie> but really, no clue
[07:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:14] <lordievader> Wattana: What is the output of `sudo lspci -k`?
[14:14] <lordievader> !pastebin
[14:28] <lordievader> How did you install the nvidia driver? Both nvidia and nouveau are loaded.
[14:31] <lordievader> Hmm, that should blacklist nouveau
[14:31] <lordievader> Follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[14:41] <lordievader> Did you reboot?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> looked to me like the nvidia driver was in use ...nouveau was just listed as a kernel module
[14:56] <lordievader> Wattana: Could you send (fresh) output from `sudo lspci -k` again?
[14:57] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Two kernel modules claiming the same hardware sounds like a bad idea to me.
[14:58] <lordievader> Could you pastebin that? This is not readable.
[14:58] <lordievader> As a rule of thumb, if you want to paste more than 1 line of console output, paste it via a pastebin.
[15:04] <BluesKaj> the kernel modules exist together but only one is being used, seems nouveau and nvidia can exist as modules, but nouveau is obviously blacklisted. Check in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf to be sure
[15:10] <BluesKaj> anyway gotta go
[16:56] <marshwallow> Installing GRUB on a BIOS laptop with a GPT disk... should I use a separate partition or --force install to /dev/sda?
[16:58] <mparillo> Hoping somebody answers because I thought GPT was for EFI.
[16:59] <marshwallow> I've been told the same at ##linux, but apparently it's used for 2+ TB drivers, regardless of the underlying firmware interface.
[17:00] <marshwallow> *drives
[17:04] <lordievader> Bios installs on a GPT disk requires a bios partition.
[17:05] <vladoboss> does anyone else have noticed that kubuntu-16.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso have invalid sha256sum?
[17:06] <lordievader> marshwallow: Read through: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks#Introduction_to_block_devices
[17:06] <vladoboss> I downloaded it twiece from different mirrors, both time it complaints about missing files
[17:07] <vladoboss> https://thepasteb.in/p/Z4hPR1Qr30qTG
[17:40] <xaeB5> if i want both kde and non-kde packages to be recent, would kubuntu be a better option than kde-neon?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> kde-neon might be more current, but less stable
[17:42] <xaeB5> more stable in what way? doesn't stability in the linux world mean fewer updates?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> xaeB5, no
[17:44] <xaeB5> ok, that's what it means in debian at least
[17:44] <BluesKaj> this isn't a debate, if you want to try neon do so w
[17:45] <BluesKaj> we don't support it here
[17:46] <xaeB5> you don't seem to understand my question because you're making assumptions like "try neon" when i am already using neon
[17:46] <xaeB5> i didn't ask for neon support, did i
[17:47] <xaeB5> i asked for clarification on what you mean by "less stable" because i've never had stability issues with neon or kubuntu both
[17:47] <BluesKaj> then go ask in #kde-neon chat
[17:47] <xaeB5> ask what? about kubuntu?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> we don't compare them here , we support kubuntu
[17:48] <xaeB5> read my question again please. "would kubuntu be a better option". you want me to ask that in kde-neon? lol
[17:48] <xaeB5> then support kubuntu and answer the question. how is it more stable?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> xaeB5, no need, we do polls here, try dual booting them and decide for yourself
[17:49] <BluesKaj> don't do polls rather
[17:49] <xaeB5> if there's no need to explain what your vague answer is supposed to mean, maybe you shouldn't have said it if you don't want any follow up questions
[17:49] <xaeB5> i am not taking polls
[17:50] <BluesKaj> don't know how it's more stable, we just know that neon is more bleeding edge
[17:51] <BluesKaj> bleeding edge generally means less stable
[17:51] <xaeB5> it could also be argued that kubuntu is more bleeding edge and therefore less stable. after all, it has newer non-kde packages than neon
[17:51] <xaeB5> so your answer didn't make sense
[17:52]  * BluesKaj shrugs , well have fun whatever you do
[17:56] <BluesKaj> Wattana Gaming, kubuntu is not ubuntu, not any more, it's now supported by Blue Systems
[17:58] <BluesKaj> Wattana Gaming, yw
[17:59] <xaeB5> kubuntu is an official ubuntu flavour though. https://www.ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[18:00] <xaeB5> same with neon
[18:00] <xaeB5> just not an official flavour
[18:01] <BluesKaj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems
[18:03] <xaeB5> wattana: you do realize that kubuntu and neon have the same developers that work on both, right?
[18:31] <vip> hi ho, anybody lost dual-display @ intel recently after apt upgrade?
[18:34] <vip> it works well under nvidia (i've got intel/nvidia inside)
[18:36] <xaeB5> you could check dmesg to see if there's any useful info there
[18:36] <xaeB5> dmesg | grep -i firmware for example
[18:36] <vip> I suppose linux-* packages had broken something; when selecting previous kernel - dial display does not work either
[18:45] <Mrokii_> I've just noticed a strange phenomenon, with Cantata, the mpd client. When I ran a game via Steam, Cantata was muted (even though the timeline showed that the song was played). When I quit the game, Cantatas' sound was activated again. I tried Clementine for testing-purposes, and it played a song just fine with the Steam-game running. So that seems to be something specific to Cantata. Does anybody have any
[18:45] <Mrokii_> clue why the "muting" is happening?
[18:49] <Mrokii_> IrcsomeBot: I'm not sure, as the sound is only muted for Catana, but not for Clementine.
[19:00] <dubis> Hi I'm under bionics and I can not find discover
[19:00] <dubis> What's the deb paquet file
[19:02] <dubis> OK I found sudo apt install plasma-discover
[19:03] <dubis> @Wattana Gaming yes it's
[19:04] <dubis> @Wattana Gaming Thanks
[19:08] <vip> ok, I need to apt instal --reinstall intel microcode package to get dual display back on intel
[21:28] <valorie> yikes, people downloading software from random sites....
[22:00] <openBrain> Hi all, I just tried KDEConnect 1.0 from testing PPA on Xenial and despite kdeconnect-cli upgraded to 1.0 and now has the "send SMS option" (working), I can't access this feature from the Plasma widgets of KDEConnect. May someone confirm before I envisage to submit a bug ? Thx
[23:12] <schnoodles> Any idea the best way to work out why automounting is not working anymore? Was working for ages then for the last couple weeks (could be months) I need to mount myself through Dolphin.
[23:15] <valorie> automounting of what, schnoodles?
[23:16] <valorie> did your fstab maybe get over-written or corrupted?
[23:16] <schnoodles> Sorry automounting of a hdd. Its an internal harddrive but its not my main hdd.
[23:16] <schnoodles> As in not the SSD that the OS is on.
[23:17] <valorie> hmmm
[23:17] <schnoodles> valorie I am not quite sure. I remember it happened after a quite large update.
[23:17] <valorie> should automount for sure
[23:17] <valorie> !fstab
[23:18] <schnoodles> I just use the Remote Devises section under system settings. It still says that the harddrive is set for automount however it does not mount. Which makes me think it could be an error where its not ready?
[23:18] <schnoodles> dmesg shows me nothing though.
[23:18] <valorie> not ready or has the wrong permissions set
[23:18] <valorie> something somehow could have flipped that bit
[23:19] <valorie> I imagine the above two links will help you diagnose
[23:23] <schnoodles> Yeah it seems fstab has been overwritten and the System Settings section is not writing to fstab. I wonder if that is a new bug.
[23:23] <valorie> hmmm
[23:24] <valorie> well, gotta go for awhile
[23:24] <schnoodles> Cya. Thanks for the help
[23:24] <valorie> I think this calls for bugs.kde.org against systemsettings
[23:24] <valorie> if it is a bug
[23:25] <schnoodles> I run backports. Could be a new bug in backports ?
[23:25] <valorie> I don't think this is our packaging because you are the first to ask about this -- at least here