[00:11] <porp3ta> Aowwwww
[00:11] <AshleyQuick> I have Lubuntu installed on an HP notebook and the hdmi port isn't sending av to my tv. Can someone assist?
[00:11] <gadnick> hello. i just installed ubuntu 16.04 on a thinkpad x220. it has both a pointing stick (trackpoint) and a touchpad. is it possible to configure x to use the touchpad only for mouse button clicks but not completely disable it (also preferably make the whole touchpad work as the secondary button)? i can do this in windows using lenovo's trackpoint driver package
[00:11] <gadnick> thing is the trackpoint's right button is broken
[00:11] <gadnick> and i don't want to buy a replacement keyboard+trackpoint module right now
[00:12] <porp3ta> porpetaaaaa
[00:12] <gadnick> in windows it's easy to work around this by abusing the touchpad as a big right button :P
[00:13] <porp3ta> anybody to talk with me even if gay
[00:13] <gadnick> i'm pretty sure it's possible to this in linux via command line or editing some file but i don't know how
[00:18] <tomreyn> gadnick: take a look at thinkwiki.org, they have all kinds of thinkpad configurations there.
[00:18] <gadnick> ahh, looks like synclient is the command that can be used for tuning synaptics touchpad settings
[00:19] <tomreyn> libinput replaces it, however
[00:19] <tomreyn> although 16.04 may still work with synclient, not sure.
[00:34] <AlexPortable> AshleyQuick: did you set the monitor to enabled in the ubuntu settings?
[00:36] <gadnick> yeah synclient seems to work well enough for now
[00:39] <gadnick> i didn't figure out how to disable movement from the clickpad completely but use it for mouse buttons yet, but setting the vert/horiz hysteresis values high enough makes it usable at least
[00:53] <samthewildone> tomreyn, fail :|
[01:17] <Kumool> it seems my wifi disconnects at random, i also don't know how to find out what happens
[01:20] <adrian_1908> Kumool: Do you know if your ISP gives you an IPv6 connection?
[01:40] <nameloc> should i use ubuntu instead of paying for a windows license for my new setup?
[01:41] <supire> hello
[01:41] <Guest21055> hello
[01:41] <bazhang> nameloc, your decision, we cannot tell you; this is strictly ubuntu support, not a polling channel
[01:42] <nameloc> good day sir
[01:42] <nameloc> much apologies
[01:46] <Kumool> adrian_1908, probably not
[01:48] <Kumool> it seems linux disconnects the device, is there a monitor for devices?
[01:49] <adrian_1908> Kumool: I mentioned IPv6 because some users reported that on IPv4 connection, their Wifi issue got resolved by setting IPv6 Method to "ignore" in the Network Manager.
[01:51] <Kumool> i've disabled it, its random so i just have to wait
[01:52] <Kumool> but i don't think that's the problem, since its the device itself that disappears, its not a reconnection issue, since the only fix is a reboot
[01:52] <adrian_1908> The IP/Wifi protocols technically shouldn't even affect each other at all, but apparently it has had an effect for some. Probably some oddity in the code.
[01:53] <adrian_1908> Kumool: right, probably something else if the device disappears.
[01:53] <Kumool> how do i monitor devices?
[01:53] <Kumool> i cant just keep rerunning dmesg
[01:54] <adrian_1908> No idea, I never do that.
[01:54] <Sinistrad> I have a OEM win10 laptop with 2 drives. 256GB SSD and 1TB 7200 RPM. It seems if I install boot loader on sda or sdb EFI partition, it doesn't boot grub. Should I try direct to sda or sdb instead of EFI partitions?
[01:55] <Kumool> what do you do?
[01:56] <diogenes74> any honest men here
[01:57] <Kumool> I think tty0 has all the device output but i cant get to it, except on shutdown
[01:57] <thedanyes> sinistrad: did you use the standard ubuntu installer and the default settings?
[01:58] <Kumool> diogenes74, I am a man and have also been called an ahole before, so maybe
[01:58] <Pazooza> Is there a password restriction on special characters or length when install Ubuntu encrypted?
[01:59] <Sinistrad> thedanyes, I tried this on 17.10 a couple of months ago. I tried again tonight with 18.04 beta, which I know isn't supported, but the problem is the same, so asking here.
[01:59] <thedanyes> sinistrad: i'd definitely try LTS before you do anything else, and you didn't answer my question.
[01:59] <Sinistrad> thedanyes, all is default until it comes to partitioning.
[02:00] <Sinistrad> thedanyes, 17.10 was ubuntu. 18.04 is xubuntu.
[02:01] <CodeBug> wow that will be awesome
[02:01] <thedanyes> sinistrad: I'd leave all defaults, including partitioning and see if it works that way
[02:02] <thedanyes> sinistrad: if not, you might try with legacy boot mode (sometimes called 'compatibility support module') enabled in the BIOS
[02:03] <Sinistrad> thedanyes, Okay. I'm thinking default would give me a severely limited amount of drive space with my Windows partition consuming almost all of /dev/sda. I'm having to install it to /dev/sdb.
[02:04] <Bashing-om> !uefi | Sinistrad
[02:05] <thedanyes> sinistrad: oh you're trying to do some kind of dual boot configuration?
[02:05] <Sinistrad> Bashing-om, Thanks! I've been reading up trying to work with it or around it.
[02:05] <thedanyes> sinistrad: i'm completely uninterested in that. it's not going to be a good user experience, no matter what.
[02:06] <thedanyes> sinistrad: good luck with windows updates not fucking your boot loader
[02:06] <adrian_1908> Sinistrad: I think generally speaking, you'd want to install the bootloader to the EFI partition on 'sda' (SSD) and select Win/Linux at boot time. I don't know why it didn't work for you.
[02:06] <Sinistrad> thedanyes, Correct. Dual boot experience, I've done since the 90s, which has been fine in the past. UEFI threw a wrench into that.
[02:07] <Bashing-om> Sinistrad: Running Win10, you DO want to install in EFI mode; boot codes them march and will not have to choose in the firmware what/how to boot .
[02:08] <Sinistrad> thedanyes, You're exactly correct about windows updates. Recently, I had the Creator's update install itself and wipe the little progress I had on grub partially working.
[02:08] <Bashing-om> match*
[02:08] <thedanyes> sinistrad: Having to restart the PC, close down all my applications, disconnect all my encrypted shares, shut down my sessions in progress, then boot another OS where I maintain different apps and updates and patches...  it's bad, period.
[02:08] <thedanyes> sinistrad: Run your second OS in a VM or on a second PC.
[02:10] <Sinistrad> thedanyes, I'm going to CarolinaCon next month. I want to get this ready for that hacking conference and usually when I run VMs, the wireless is passed through as a LAN connection, which makes it difficult for the wifi-hacking activities that will ensue =)
[02:11] <thedanyes> sinistrad: I see
[02:11] <Sinistrad> At night, I want to fire up WoW and pvp. I used to run WoW in wine and had good success, but blizzard has really moved away from openGL
[02:12] <thedanyes> sinistrad: I maintain a second PC for what few Windows apps I need. I value my time.
[02:12] <Sinistrad> thedanyes, I totally understand. I run linux in just about everything else. This is my gaming machine. I am reluctant to carry 2 laptops.
[02:13] <thedanyes> sinistrad: Windows XP behind it's own dedicated firewall, it's the most recent Windows license I own
[02:13] <stevendale> Brb
[02:13] <stevendale> Might be able to help with a sec
[02:13] <adrian_1908> Sinistrad: put the bootloaders on different disks then sda/sdb. I did that for my Desktop with 2 SSDs and that seemed to work.
[02:13] <stevendale> (With Sinistrad
[02:13] <adrian_1908> But I don't know much about it, it just worked.
[02:14] <adrian_1908> Of course, you'll have to pick the disk at boot time then.
[02:15] <Sinistrad> adrian_1908, are you suggesting bootloaders on something like usb?
[02:16] <Sinistrad> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4WbGjVvh3d/ has the windows listing of my partitions across devices.
[02:17] <Sinistrad> At this point in the story, you pretty much have understanding, but there it is anyhow
[02:18] <adrian_1908> Using "disk 1" Parition 4 for Ubuntu was what I meant. I think that worked for me.
[02:18] <Sinistrad> adrian_1908, I tried that tonight. No dice.
[02:19] <adrian_1908> Sinistrad: what happened?
[02:19] <Sinistrad> Boots into Win10
[02:20] <adrian_1908> Sinistrad: yes, you'll have to tell your notebook to boot the other disk, but then it should work. I pressed e.g. F8 and selected the disk as a means of selecting my OS. That worked fine.
[02:21] <Sinistrad> adrian_1908, I think I understand what you're saying. I select the disk, the disk reads the EFI partition and directs it to the ubuntu partition.
[02:21] <adrian_1908> Since my time was 95% Linux (set to boot by default), 5% Windows, I didn't perceive it as a hassle to handle this as bootup when needed.
[02:22] <adrian_1908> Sinistrad: yes, that's the idea. Modern BIOSes (is it still a BIOS in UEFI era?) might allow you convenient selection interfaces.
[02:23] <adrian_1908> So hopefully yours is good and you can just press a key during boot and be presented with bootable devices to pick from.
[02:24] <Sinistrad> adrian_1908, So, I'd have grub allow me a choice of disk, then I'd get EFI to boot from that disk to point at ubuntu.
[02:24] <Sinistrad> I'll have to hack away at that a bit to see if I can get it to comply.
[02:25] <stevendale> What's wrong Sinistrad?
[02:25] <Sinistrad> adrian_1908, Yes. I'll have to set bootable flags on both SDA and SDB. I'll remember that too
[02:25] <adrian_1908> Sinistrad: No, you use your BIOS boot device selector to pick the disk with Windows/Linux UEFI and use that to select. Grub doesn't play a role in that case (unless you have multiple Linux installations on sdb).
[02:25] <stevendale> You have to run Blizzard games with DirectX9 in Battle.net app Sinistrad
[02:25] <stevendale> Also, news doesn't work
[02:26] <stevendale> You do that with -dx9
[02:26] <Sinistrad> adrian_1908, I got ya. Yes. Go into BIOS setup utility (because I'm old and still call it that) and select the bootable drive. I understand. Thanks for clarifying
[02:26] <stevendale> 64-bit client works fine in latest wine, with Mono & Gecko installed, as well as corefonts, windows version set to 7 (already default)
[02:26] <adrian_1908> Sinistrad: Windows would be left alone on sda without any chance of corrupting Ubuntu/Grub on sdb.
[02:26] <stevendale> Also make sure the wineprefix is on an SSD
[02:27] <adrian_1908> Sinistrad: I want to call it BIOS too, I don't know what else to call it.
[02:27] <Sinistrad> stevendale, Oh does it? I'd be happy to wipe Win10 off of here.
[02:28] <Sinistrad> stevendale, I only use it for playing WoW. I had even considered installing a Type1 Hypervisor on it to try to get as close to bare metal without dealing with the UEFI stuff.
[02:28] <stevendale> Yeah it does ^^ Though I'd recommend dual booting with Ubuntu then trying it out, and then copying the game across to the wine prefix in ya home directory, and then booting off the LiveUSB and removing the old Win10 partition (assuming it works)
[02:29] <Sinistrad> stevendale, And you're kinda where I'm at then. If I get ubuntu running on here, I'd just link to my WoW folder on Windows, with some tweaks to WTF config to let it run in linux, and if I was satisfied with it, migrate it all to ubuntu.
[02:30] <Sinistrad> stevendale, This laptop has 1060 GTX vid card in it. It would be a shame not to use it.
[02:33] <Xenio> Hi
[02:33] <Sinistrad> Thank you everyone for the great tips. I'm going to start working on those tips to see if I can make headway on this system. As I'm rebooting, I'll not be on irc.
[02:33] <Xenio> Whats up folks
[02:34] <Xenio> Is anybody here inro diapers/farta?
[02:34] <Xenio> Woops wrong channel
[02:35] <Sinistrad> That should be interesting. I
[02:36] <Sinistrad> I've not see a hostmask ban on irc for ipv6 (if that's what I'm seeing).
[02:36] <Sinistrad> Have fun, folks.
[02:38] <Xenio> Tl;dr
[02:54] <ryuusei> Tomorrow is a wonderful day than today
[02:56] <luxio> ryuusei: i dunno about that, it's a wednesday and it's supposed to be 31 degrees
[02:56] <stevendale> luxio, F or C? :P
[02:57] <luxio> (F)reedom units :)
[02:57] <luxio> plus that's the only one that makes sense in context
[02:58] <stevendale> Let's move this to offtopic
[02:58] <stevendale> !ot | stevendale
[02:59] <ryuusei> luxio : It is hot, I live in Tokyo. The tree called cherry blossoms is beautiful
[03:09] <strength> do you think the new AIs will be my friend?
[03:09] <strength> i need friends
[03:11] <ryuusei> strength : I think AIs will be a good friend
[03:12] <ryuusei> I want it
[03:31] <fearless_man> Hello, I'm trying to create a route through https, I'm just wondering which is the standard and more efficient way a. https://example.com or b https://example.com:443.
[03:52] <CodeBug> i need help please
[03:52] <CodeBug> my ubuntu is trying to upgrade to 17.10 but it says that when its doing the new software channels, it says that it cannot complete the upgrade and stops
[04:08] <cstk421> tar -cvf "$dir" --directory=var/www/ is failing with an error of refusing to create an empty archive.  is my syntax wrong ?
[04:17] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me when i try to download a file it says tmp cant be read?
[04:32] <detly> other than synaptic, is there a GUI package manager somewhere?
[04:32] <detly> I'm currently on 17.10
[04:33] <detly> there's a GUI called "software", but it doesn't show updates and it doesn't show search results from unofficial repositories such as PPAs or internal repos
[04:33] <Mutsumi> aptitude is a pretty good curses based manager
[04:33] <detly> Mutsumi: oh, yeah, I forgot about aptitude
[04:34] <detly> bit of a shame that synaptic's fallen by the wayside, but that's life
[04:48] <NuttyNutterson> I'm getting spammed in private messages using the n-word after joining this IRC
[04:48] <NuttyNutterson> wtf?
[04:48] <NuttyNutterson> joining this channel*
[04:49] <Guest3490> hello
[04:49] <Guest3490> I'm in need of some assistance.
[04:49] <Guest3490> ?
[04:49] <EriC^^> Guest3490: go ahead
[04:49] <Kumool> Guest3490, dial 911
[04:49] <hyperreal> Guest3490: What do you need help with?
[04:50] <EriC^^> NuttyNutterson: join #ubuntu-ops and give them the nickname
[04:51] <dax> unless it was one of those two k-lines, in which case it's all sorted
[04:53] <Guest3490> Im having trouble spoofing my MAC. even when i run service network-manager stop then macchanger
[04:54] <Guest3490> i get this in return
[04:54] <Guest3490> [ERROR] Could not change MAC: interface up or insufficient permissions: Too many open files in system
[04:59] <SimplySublime> .
[04:59] <boxingrock> anyone around that's familiar with network-manager-openvpn on 17.10/18.04?
[05:01] <boxingrock> really weird issue where i can connect to my OpenVPN server, send tcp and udp traffic over the tunnel but i can't receive any tcp responses
[05:02] <boxingrock> server is known working, tested using the same ovpn profile on win10, macOS, debian, etc..
[05:02] <boxingrock> tcpdump and nginx logs confirm my requests are making it to the server(s) and they are sending responses back
[05:06] <eraserpencil> Hey guys, theres this package that I need an arm version for
[05:06] <eraserpencil> How could I compile it for arm?
[05:10] <EriC^^> eraserpencil: add the arm repo then add at the end :<arch>
[05:10] <EriC^^> like sudo apt-get install something:i386 for 32bit
[05:10] <EriC^^> !arm
[05:10] <eraserpencil> thanks
[05:36] <neildugan> hi, I am trying to setup a printer, I logged in as a user that has system administrator ... but the 'unlock' on the printer preferences is ghosted how do I fix this?
[05:37] <Codsworth> neildugan, stephen hawkings just died and you are worried about a printer?
[05:38] <Codsworth> It's the beginning of the end now, you understand mate?
[05:38] <neildugan> that is a pitty he was very cleaver, but yes i ma
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Codsworth
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> neildugan: wich printer brand and ubuntu version?
[05:40] <neildugan> lotuspsychje, ubuntu artful printer doesn't matter yet.. I can do anything
[05:40] <neildugan> lotuspsychje, ubuntu artful printer doesn't matter yet.. I can't do anything
[05:41] <neildugan> lotuspsychje, I am in the lpadmin group
[05:46] <gt8ost4l> does anybody get tmp cant be read errors downloading files
[05:46] <gt8ost4l> on firefox
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> !printer | neildugan
[05:53] <neildugan> lotuspsychje, I am not having trouble printing... that is working... I am having trouble unlocking the preferences window so I can configure another printer.
[05:56] <Euph0ria> neildugan: How about a link to a screen shot so we see what you're issue looks like?
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> gt8ost4l: details plz? ubuntu version? firefox version? what happens when?
[06:02] <gt8ost4l>  lotuspsychje: ubuntu 17.10 and firefox 58.0.2 when i tried to right click i get a dialog saying tmp cants be read
[06:03] <gt8ost4l> cant*
[06:06] <Triffid_Hunter> gt8ost4l: sounds like you've messed the permissions on your /tmp
[06:07] <gt8ost4l> Triffid_Hunter: if so what do i do
[06:07] <Triffid_Hunter> gt8ost4l: what does stat -c '%a %U:%G' /tmp say? should be 1777 root:root
[06:09] <gt8ost4l> Triffid_Hunter: can you elaborare with quotes?
[06:09] <gt8ost4l> elaborate
[06:10] <gt8ost4l> oh nevermind
[06:11] <Triffid_Hunter> gt8ost4l: https://bpaste.net/show/6b7574b62fb7 ?
[06:12] <gt8ost4l> Triffid_Hunter: yeah its correct
[06:12] <gt8ost4l> 1777
[06:14] <getman> wine3.0
[06:17] <timypcr> ..
[06:39] <blank__> hey
[07:05] <neildugan> I have some more data.. If I directly log into the computer I can easily change the printer preferences etc... if I log in remotely, I cant change a thing... how do I fix this?
[07:06] <himadri_> hello
[07:07] <himadri_> I see a purple screen after entering login password till the desktop launches
[07:08] <himadri_> why is it happening ?
[07:08] <himadri_> how can i stop it ?
[07:24] <kes0> himadri_: Have u upgrade the system?
[07:25] <himadri_> yes
[07:26] <himadri_> kes0: I did.
[07:27] <himadri_> i have one more issue.
[07:27] <kes0> himadri_: Ok, have a new driver for gpu?
[07:27] <himadri_> kes0: no.
[07:29] <kes0> himadri_: Hm okey
[07:29] <himadri_> this happens on wayland as well as xorg
[07:30] <himadri_> and also after entering the login password it takes too long to launch the desktop
[07:31] <himadri_> nearly about more than a minute
[07:32] <himadri_> and i think it's too slow having a core i7 processor
[07:32] <kes0> himadri_: Okey, well i dont know what to do
[07:33] <kes0> It should work i think
[07:35] <himadri_> kes0: thanks
[07:40] <kes0> himadri_: yw
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> neildugan: remotely how?
[07:47] <cart_man> In ubuntu mate for Raspberry PI the SSH keeps on disabling itself and then I have to run raspi-config and enable it again. Why does it switch itself off?
[07:55] <ksbalaji>  I have Acer Aspire.Does hibernation in 16.04 work? Ubuntu 16.04 boots after hibernation. Problem: no display!
[07:56] <mano> join #css
[07:56] <mano> join #css
[07:56] <ksbalaji> does hibernation alter boot sequence? Thanks.
[08:01] <ksbalaji> Hi! friends! This place is unusually silent.
[08:02] <bazhang> ksbalaji, patience please
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> ksbalaji: ubuntu has users from all different timezones
[08:05] <pikapika> Hi
[08:05] <pikapika> I have been thinking something
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: try to think all in one line this time
[08:06] <pikapika> Lol ok, I'll try.
[08:08] <pikapika> Concering the fact that X11 apparently doesent have any "special treatment" for lock screens, what is currently the safest locking app? I currently use the default xfce that comes with xfce. Also, being that it is just another app, nothing special...what is stopping an evil app from creating a lookalike and taking in the keypress or something like that?
[08:08] <pikapika> *default xscreensaver
[08:16] <ducasse> pikapika: if you want a discussion on that, take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:17] <ducasse> pikapika: but nothing is stopping an app from doing that
[08:17] <pikapika> ok
[08:18] <pikapika> So are there any plans to add this to the X11? I mean X11 would be hard to change but the problem is a serious one too
[08:19] <neildugan> lotuspsychje, though LTSP
[08:19] <ducasse> pikapika: that's probably not possible
[08:20] <neildugan> lotuspsychje, does it really matter, I just want to be disable or get around what ever is deciding to limit my access.
[08:25] <ksbalaji> There seems to be a serious security issue being discussed here. But I fail to understand how any app can take over or fake a screen when the entire system is fully guarded against intruding apps?!
[08:28] <ducasse> ksbalaji: this is off-topic, but which system are you talking about?
[08:28] <ksbalaji> ducasse, our ubuntu os ofcourse.
[08:29] <Amm0n> Don't mix up stuff, locksceens are not meant to secure a system, they are just a basic protection for local access
[08:30] <Amm0n> anyone with local access can do anything with a running system
[08:30] <ducasse> ksbalaji: why do you think it is "fully guarded against intruding apps"?
[08:31] <Amm0n> if you want this secure, you need an encrypted filesystem with hibernate
[08:31] <Amm0n> but this won't keep you safe against harware keyloggers etc..
[08:36] <ksbalaji> ducasse, linux systems are fully guarded in the sense, one may have to install an app before it could intrude or mimic other apps. This installation is also subject to scrutiny. Isn't this correct?
[08:37] <ion__> dear friends
[08:38] <ion__> ialways get an error after reboot an being in my account on raspi2 with ubuntu-mate
[08:39] <ksbalaji> Now I seek help for my problem :) -   I have Acer Aspire.Does hibernation in 16.04 work? Ubuntu 16.04 boots after hibernation. Problem: no display!
[08:39] <ion__>  i did a screenshot perhaps you can help please
[08:41] <Amm0n> ksbalaji, i know of kernelissues with hibernate, but i can't tell you if that's the case with 16.04
[08:41] <arora> ion__: What errors exactly?
[08:41] <Amm0n> since kernel 4.15 my issues with hibernate are gone
[08:41] <ksbalaji> Amm0n, thanks for your observation.
[08:42] <ion__> always show me an script error while opening the welcome window
[08:42] <Amm0n> ksbalaji, try to find errors in journal or Xorg.0.log
[08:44] <ksbalaji> Amm0n, unfortunately, after an unsuccessful booting after hibernation, the journal is recovered, which means that the incidental information is lost.
[08:45] <Amm0n> journalctl -b 3 should cover this too
[08:46] <ducasse> ksbalaji: 'sudo mkdir /var/log/journal' to turn on persistent journal
[08:46] <Amm0n> oops :(
[08:54] <ksbalaji> Amm0n,  since I have kernel 4.13 in ubuntu 16.0
[08:54] <ksbalaji> 4, I presume that I  still have problems with hibernation!
[08:57] <Amm0n> ksbalaji, https://askubuntu.com/questions/996217/black-screen-after-hibernation
[08:58] <Amm0n> last comment
[08:58] <ksbalaji> Amm0n, ah! thanks for the link!
[09:16] <ksbalaji> Now that I have got kernel 4.14 installed, I am quitting to restart and test hibernation. Thanks and bye!
[09:25] <cart_man> So my ftsab entry trashes boot procedure of the entire OS... teh hell?
[09:25] <cart_man> is there a fstab log I can go read somewhere?
[09:40] <tizzja> amore
[09:41] <tizzja> ops
[09:43] <zetheroo> in an LTS version of Ubuntu something like PHP doesn't change version, right?
[09:43] <ducasse> zetheroo: correct
[09:44] <ducasse> zetheroo: true for any ubuntu release
[09:44] <nwe> how should I fix this ? https://pastebin.com/6tsFe7Bv
[09:45] <geirha> uninstalling ceph-deploy might work
[09:45] <TJ-> nwe: "ceph-base_12.2.4-1xenial_amd64.deb" isn't an Ubuntu package, so presumably it's a 3rd party repo
[09:46] <nwe> it´s from ceph-guys
[09:46] <geirha> and they are obviously conflicting with the ceph-* packages from ubuntu's repo
[09:47] <zetheroo> So in Ubuntu 16.04 we have php 7.0, but it's EOL is Dec 2018 - so what happens from then on with PHP 7.0 in Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[09:49] <zetheroo> Ubuntu 16.04 is supported with security updates until 2021, so php 7.0 is running for another 2 years ... without security patches?
[09:50] <matthew> Can anyone advise what programs would I use for a local server that would print a selected pdf file from a list on a local printer?
[09:50] <geirha> well, no upstream security patches at least
[09:50] <TJ-> zetheroo: 'it depends' - we get this across many packages, it depends how critical they are and what maintenance workload would be as to what is done
[09:51] <zetheroo> TJ-: Is there an Ubuntu/Canonical policy on this ?
[09:52] <Triffid_Hunter> matthew: lp?
[09:52] <zetheroo> I guess the main concern is that the software is still getting security issues fixed as needed
[09:53] <zetheroo> otherwise it's a case of potentially running insecure versions of software - which especially for webservers seems like a bad idea
[09:54] <vlt> zetheroo: That's the point of the LTS versions. To backport security fixes.
[09:54] <matthew> for example, at an orchestra rehearsal player uses smartphone, selects the wifi channel for server, index.html file has a list, any item selected would immediately print out.  Thanks
[09:54] <TJ-> vlt: the issue zetheroo is bringing up is what happens when upstream is no longer making security fixes
[09:55] <TJ-> zetheroo: I'm sure I've seen a policy in the dim distant past, or got memories of a similar transition for another LTS - possibly for PHP5 - but can't recall what it was now
[09:57] <zetheroo> vlt: I heard of this before - backports - is this when, for example, a security issue is found for php7.2 and if it also effects php7.0 then the patch is applied also to the supported Ubuntu version still using 7.0?
[09:57] <vlt> TJ-: I was under the impression that it's Canonical responsibility as long as the pkg is in main. They would've to check if a security patch for a higher upstream version applies to the LTS supported one.
[10:00] <TJ-> vlt: right, but we've had issues in the past where it makes more sense to move to another supported upstream version. Depends on the complexity
[10:01] <zetheroo> TJ-: But generally that is what it initially attempted - to backport the security fix where applicable?
[10:02] <matthew> I don't think javascript is the way to go and I am not familiar with php but I think I will have to go with apache and php unless anyone has any other suggestions
[10:02] <TJ-> zetheroo: yes of course, but as we don't have any PHP devs, some issues might be beyond the competence level - if there's a few then moving to an upstream supported version might be the recommended procedure
[10:04] <TJ-> matthew: You should be able to do that with raw HTML and a POST to a CGI shell/Perl script (complexity depends if you need to dynamically generate the initial HTML lists)
[10:04] <zetheroo> TJ-: Is there a way to know if the later is the case? Like if some major security issues are not being applied to a previous version ...
[10:04] <matthew> That makes sense TJ thanks.  The list is static so it should be easier.
[10:05] <matthew> would I be able to use webfs; not sure if POST is supported on that.
[10:05] <TJ-> matthew: In my dim memory from about 10 years ago I think I came across a CGI script did something similar, but not sure what search terms would locate it!
[10:06] <TJ-> zetheroo: Like I said I thought I saw a policy but I may be mistaken; I do recall about 5-10 years ago a developer discussion when this happened
[10:06] <matthew> Also does POST do a server-side action or is is at the client end.
[10:07] <TJ-> matthew: HTTP POST sends data from client to server which has to do the operation
[10:07] <TJ-> matthew: do you want the smartphone to drive the printer?
[10:07] <matthew> no the printer is lp and it can be run from shell script
[10:07] <tester> i'm trying to launch some app, and i get unable to copy ~/.Xauthority
[10:07] <TJ-> matthew: right, I was going to say... phones and printers is another can of worms entirely
[10:08] <tester> (it doesn't exist... so chown'ing it wont matter)
[10:08] <TJ-> tester: Ubuntu 17.10? Running Gnome/Wayland?
[10:08] <matthew> Thanks TJ
[10:08] <tester> TJ- yes, 17.10. no idea if gnome/wayland
[10:09] <tester> whatever is there by default i guess
[10:09] <tester> i used to be a kde fan back in the days, but well.
[10:09] <TJ-> tester: Gnome/Wayland is the default compositor so there's no X server, which would explain it
[10:09] <tester> how do i go about launching that app then
[10:10] <TJ-> tester: Log-out, choose the "Ubuntu on Xorg" session from the gear icon, log-in (now using X server)
[10:10] <TJ-> tester: this might help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/975094/how-to-disable-wayland-in-17-10-in-gdm3-login-screen
[10:13] <tester> thanks
[10:14] <outoftime_92> What does this dmesg mean? http://termbin.com/qpdd
[10:15] <zetheroo> TJ-: If something is deprecated from a newer php version (say 7.2), will Ubuntu devs deprecate it from 7.0 ?
[10:16] <outoftime_92> zetheroo: IMHO, php have nothing to linux. It is just a program you can run on linux.
[10:17] <vlt> zetheroo: I don't think so.
[10:17] <zetheroo> vlt: Ok. I mean I would assume that Ubuntu devs pay attention to the PHP security reports - if those reports are saying that X is a security vulnerability then they deal with it.
[10:18] <zetheroo> something like mycrypt is an example of something deprecated in 7.1
[10:19] <cart_man> When exactly does RC.Local get executed?
[10:19] <cart_man> at which part of startup?
[10:19] <TJ-> zetheroo: I doubt functionality will be removed from the existing version; cannot imagine in what circumstances (barring a critical security issue)
[10:20] <zetheroo>  TJ-: makes sense
[10:20] <Triffid_Hunter> cart_man: usually just before xdm
[10:20] <cart_man> xdm being the GUI right?
[10:20] <TJ-> cart_man: rc.local is very legacy, but it is supposed to be last 'service' to be executed
[10:21] <cart_man> TJ- Yea I have noticed but so far its been pretty consistent.
[10:21] <TJ-> zetheroo: you should post this question the ubuntu-devel mailing list; it is a very good topic for discussions and recording views permanently
[10:22] <zetheroo> I just might :)
[10:22] <TJ-> cart_man: i'm not sure how systemd handles it with jobs being executed in parallel
[10:22] <TJ-> zetheroo: there may already be something there; worth a focused search
[10:25] <TJ-> zetheroo: this may be one of the discussions I remember: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-September/015009.html
[10:28] <ramiz> Дратути
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:36] <elevated> lubuntu installer still doesn't have lvm2 after 3 years? what. the. fuck.
[10:40] <BluesKaj> elevated, no need for that kind of language. Take it up with the devs, not here.
[10:41] <elevated> it wasn't intended as an insult, just as a totally unexpected thing after 3 years, just saying
[10:42] <TJ-> I've been thinking of creating a totally new installer; the reliance on the debian-installer/ubiquity spaghetti code is holding back a lot of great things
[10:44] <rory> How can I append to the default $PATH (or just the $PATH of a specific user) in one command, as part of a headless script
[10:44] <TJ-> rory: system-wide, /etc/profile, or $HOME/.profile
[10:45] <rory> yeah I understand where the file is but I can't just append to the end of the file
[10:45] <rory> It requires a human to open the file in an editor and inset the new directory in the right place
[10:45] <rory> I was asking if there's any tool to achieve this
[10:46] <TJ-> rory: generally I'd do " cat 'PATH="${PATH}:/my/path" ' >> $HOME/.profile "
[10:46] <TJ-> bah!!!! ignore that
[10:47] <TJ-> rory: generally I'd do " echo 'PATH="${PATH}:/my/path" ' >> $HOME/.profile "
[10:47] <rory> what if .profile already exists though and it has a custom $PATH already set
[10:47] <rory> I need to append to that path
[10:47] <rory> oh actually that would still work, it would just look ugly
[10:47] <TJ-> rory: That's what that does ^^
[10:47] <rory> I'm going to do it
[10:47] <rory> ideally I would not set $PATH multiple times in .profile though
[10:47] <TJ-> rory: including the existing $PATH in the new one is the standard way of doing it
[10:48] <rory> no I mean let's say the file ~/.profile already contains this content
[10:48] <rory> $PATH="${PATH}:/foo"
[10:48] <rory> and I want to add /bar
[10:48] <TJ-> rory: I get what you mean; but it helps maintainability to see each change separately rather than altering the default assignment
[10:48] <rory> OK yeah also life is too short
[10:49] <rory> can I do this in /etc/environment as well, does that file work the same as .profile (just a bash script)
[10:49] <TJ-> if it goes wrong it is easy for the user to firstly find, and secondly, remove, the offending change
[10:49] <TJ-> rory: /etc/environment is probably the better place for it - if you want system services to see the modified PATH
[10:52] <ESO4B-18> h+
[10:52] <ESO4B-23> hi
[10:52] <chica28> hola
[10:52] <ESO4B-23> gi
[10:53] <ESO4B-23> hola
[10:53] <ESO4B-23> :D
[10:53] <ESO4B-23> :DDDDDDDDdd
[10:55] <OlofL> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/387418/add-sent-mail-to-evolution-threads  Then set "Include threads: all related" in the search folder configuration. where is this setting in evolution mail?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> ‎ BTW, Happy Pi Day to all !
[11:05] <BillD73> BluesKaj: Happy Pi day back at ya!
[11:07] <ksbalaji> Amm0n, that 4.14 kernel turned out to be horrible. No touchpad module, no network module ... :(
[11:07] <rory> OK I have added a new directory in /etc/environment to PATH, but when I "echo $PATH" I don't see it
[11:08] <rory> actually I see a directory /snaps which isn't even mentioned in /etc/environment
[11:08] <rory> so it seems to not be using /etc/environment at all
[11:08] <ksbalaji> I just  chose 4.13 kernel to come over to this place again! does anyting else to be done to get kernel 4.14 working in 16.04 ?
[11:08] <whoami> hey
[11:08] <netcrime> Hello, I played around with mitmproxy and I think it changed my network settings. Cant use PIP, If I write wget http://www.google.com (or any other) I get error: Connecting to 127.0.0.1:8888... failed: Connection refused. Looks like traffic tries to use a proxy (browsing works fine). How can I fix it ?
[11:09] <ksbalaji> so ,  bye for now.
[11:09] <whoami> hey
[11:13] <BugzBunny> netcrime: Uhhh, how did you setup mitmproxy? Additionally, did you set http_proxy https_proxy variables
[11:13] <whoami> bey
[11:13] <BugzBunny> Hello
[11:16] <BugzBunny> I aslo have issue with Snowball USB Mic, it works perfectly, but for some reason with Discord... When it hooks into the Mic, it get very bad distortion with my Audio.. Initially I figured is Discord issues but it happens if Discord is running or not and occassionally audio would just Distort. I read that perhapps I should set Pulseaudio to 48000hz?
[11:16] <netcrime> BugzBunny: nah, I just installed it with Sudo apt and that's it.
[11:17] <BugzBunny> Type env, and check if those variables are not set
[11:17] <BugzBunny> Otherwise, I can't fathom programs getting proxy information from anywhere else
[11:20] <TJ-> netcrime: BugzBunny multicast-DNS is another possiblity, use "avahi-browse -at" to check
[11:48] <Gargravarr> hi all, i'm having occasional problems with an rsync mirror - every couple of weeks it dies saying 'max connections reached (75) - try again later'. i'm using gb.archive.ubuntu.com as the source, running the sync around 2:15AM GMT
[11:49] <Gargravarr> i've rewritten my script to retry with an incrementing wait period between and it ran this morning at about 2:40AM
[11:49] <Gargravarr> after failing twice with the same error
[11:52] <forester> Hi. Don't you know will the 18.04 Ubuntu Kylin be with UKUI desktop or not?
[11:52] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | forester
[11:53] <forester> I have asked here and there is no answer yet.
[11:53] <forester> there*
[11:53] <beaver> grmbl hl :D
[11:54] <forester> I think someone could know it here too.
[11:54] <ducasse> forester: then wait and try again
[11:54] <forester> Ni Hao.
[12:06] <seni> I pressed something and now when I do alt+uparrow an A gets written. I use byobu so it means I can't work, how can I change that?
[12:07] <novecento__> hello world
[12:11] <BluesKaj> forester, looks like it is UKUI desktop on 18.04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/03/ubuntu-18-04-beta-1-for-flavors
[12:13] <tomreyn> seni: type "reset" if you dont mind loosing the windows' history.
[12:14] <CodeBug> for creating a ubuntu live usb what is the best method when in ubuntu?
[12:15] <seni> doesnt work. was a byobu specific thing I had disabled shortcuts (shift+f12) lol
[12:15] <BluesKaj> CodeBug, a lot of users use dd
[12:16] <jeremy31> CodeBug, Use Startup Disk Creator
[12:18] <CodeBug> i'm running 16.04lts and i'm looking to create a 17.10 Ubuntu..so startup disk creator?
[12:18] <CodeBug> oh by the way gm.
[12:18] <jeremy31> CodeBug, That is what I used
[12:24] <vlt> seni: Does logging in on ctrl+alt+F1 and `pkill byobu` help?
[12:26] <CodeBug> k thanks
[12:28] <DiecastMessiah> hailz all. first time i came across this.. I used apt-get to install tintin++ but cannot find it and have no idea what even the command is to run it , I am on ubuntu 16.04. I have tryed looking with find -name tin*. also tryied different commands like tintin or tintin++ no idea what to do next
[12:31] <brainwash> DiecastMessiah: dpkg -L tintin++
[12:32] <boxingrock> try tt
[12:34] <DiecastMessiah> brainwash: Thanks.. found it.. also thanks boxingrock you almost had it it was tt++ for the command :)
[12:42] <zuhaitz> Hi, when I create a filter, I would like to see the e-mails only inside the folder (filter) I created, not in the inbox, is it posible? Thanks.
[12:42] <zuhaitz> I don't know where to make this question, sorry.
[12:42] <leftyfb> zuhaitz: what version of ubuntu are you running and what email client?
[12:45] <zuhaitz> I'm using google webmail client.
[12:46] <Butterfly_> lol
[12:46] <leftyfb> zuhaitz: that has absolutely nothing to do with ubuntu
[12:46] <Butterfly_> ^
[12:46] <zuhaitz> Is not related to Ubuntu, neither with any client but google...
[12:46] <zuhaitz> I know, leftyfb .
[12:46] <zuhaitz> But I read in google help, and I cant find how.
[12:46] <Butterfly_> zuhaitz : i believe you can just use the search feature to look in certain folders only
[12:46] <zuhaitz> And there is no "gmail" channel xD
[12:47] <guest-0XVEHl> Darova Pacanam
[12:47] <Butterfly_> zuhaitz : in the top search bar type: label:labelnamehere yoursearchterm
[12:47] <zuhaitz> Butterfly_, I created some filters, and it works, but they are also in the inbox, and I want only in the filters-folder... xD
[12:47] <Butterfly_> aaah
[12:47] <Butterfly_> so... you want folders, not filters
[12:47] <leftyfb> zuhaitz: this is not the place to receive help with this
[12:47] <guest-0XVEHl> About what do you speak mtfkc
[12:47] <zuhaitz> Yes. XD
[12:47] <leftyfb> zuhaitz: try #freenode
[12:48] <Butterfly_> zuhaitz : pm
[12:48] <guest-0XVEHl> Тут русские есть?
[12:48] <zuhaitz> But I can move them manually to the filters, why that works then?
[12:48] <zuhaitz> leftyfb, Ok.
[12:48] <leftyfb> zuhaitz: this is not the place to receive help with this. Please look elsewhere. I would start with google.com
[12:48] <guest-0XVEHl> greetings
[12:48] <leftyfb> guest-0XVEHl: what can we do for you?
[12:49] <guest-0XVEHl> I'm a great handler at the Lenin factory
[12:49] <leftyfb> guest-0XVEHl: trolling is offtopic here
[12:49] <guest-0XVEHl> you could become my employeesґ
[12:50] <guest-0XVEHl> I do not touch, I just sit at the computer science lesson in Ukraine
[12:50] <leftyfb> !op | guest-0XVEHl
[12:51] <guest-0XVEHl> Црфе вщ нщг
[12:51] <guest-0XVEHl> s
[12:51] <guest-0XVEHl> d
[12:51] <guest-0XVEHl> sd
[12:51] <guest-0XVEHl> s
[12:51] <guest-0XVEHl> d
[12:51] <telatoki> It's an english room ?
[12:51] <JimBuntu> yes, English
[12:51] <telatoki> pfff, i hate this language.
[12:51] <Pici> We have channels for other languages available
[12:52] <JimBuntu> telatoki, That's OK. There are other channels for many other languages
[12:52] <tomreyn> !fr | telatoki
[12:52] <telatoki> ok, just wanna troll.
[12:52] <telatoki> Before, french was the universel language.
[12:52] <oscarfx> hello
[12:52] <akik> telatoki: ok the door is that way -> /part
[12:52] <telatoki> But with the arrival of hamburger, english take his place.
[12:53] <telatoki> lol.
[12:53] <oscarfx> could someone explain me how to use iostat or sar commands for checking last few days info about cpu load ?
[12:54] <telatoki> Walter is playing baseball, and Bryan is in the kitchen. Where is Bryan ? In the kitchen. Walter have a twin brother, his name is Mickael.
[12:54] <telatoki> *has
[12:54] <telatoki> They have a red hat.
[12:54] <tomreyn> telatoki: do you have an ubuntu support question? since this channel is just about ubuntu support.
[12:54] <leftyfb> Pici: ?
[12:55] <akik> tomreyn: no, he said he's a troll
[12:55] <telatoki> tomreyn, yes I have, it"s about winamax.
[12:55] <dbugger> Hi everyone
[12:55] <dbugger> I have a weird issue: when I boot up my PC, seems like GRUB is being rendered twice: https://i.stack.imgur.com/gBKzW.jpg
[12:55] <telatoki> when I install it (i open with wine), when I make my identifiant, winamax close.
[12:55] <dbugger> How could I possibly solve this?
[12:56] <bouma> what gcc is ubuntu LTS on at the moment ?
[12:56] <popey> bouma: https://packages.ubuntu.com/gcc
[12:57] <kostkon> !info gcc xenial
[12:57] <brainwash> dbugger: this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2386404
[12:58] <telatoki> I remember, when I wanna change my windows for ubuntu, all people on the web "ho so cool, you'll see, it's very easy and intuitive"... fucking liers. And when we ask them a question, they willingly answer for make sur we dont understand.
[12:58] <dbugger> brainwash, I already removed --append and it is still not working
[12:58] <telatoki> With incompréhensible vocabulary.
[12:59] <leftyfb> !op | telatoki
[12:59] <telatoki> .
[12:59] <Pici> telatoki: #winehq is the best channel to ask wine questions in
[12:59] <telatoki> ? what is this ?
[12:59] <telatoki> Ouais ok...
[12:59] <telatoki> Problem dont come of wine.
[12:59] <brainwash> dbugger: and you did run "sudo update-grub" after editing the file?
[13:00] <dbugger> brainwash, yes, I did
[13:00] <brainwash> dbugger: did you read through the bug report?
[13:01] <brainwash> dbugger: bug 1752767
[13:01] <dbugger> Thanks, I will take a look
[13:01] <brainwash> a new grub package version is available in -proposed
[13:02] <dbugger> Then I guess I just have to wait for an update
[13:02] <ioria> dbugger, as a workaround you can try to comment out  #GRUB_TERMINAL=console   and run sudo update-grub (you'll loos some resolution, tho)
[13:02] <dbugger> ioria, Noted, I will try that if nothing else works
[13:02] <ioria> ok
[13:05] <raub> If I have an interface called eno1 which is not declared in /etc/network/interfaces, that would mean it is declared using networkmanager, right?
[13:08] <tomreyn> raub: i'd say that network manager and /etc/netork/interfaces do not 'declare' (physical) network interfaces, but are used to configure already existing interfaces.
[13:09] <tomreyn> raub: if you are wondering whether there is already a configuration / something managing eno1, besides /etc/network/interfaces other suspects are indeed network manager but also netplan (on servers)
[13:09] <pragmaticenigma> I think all network connections are managed by network manager by default. If you have something in /etc/network/interfaces, I believe those are there to set permanent options for the interface between reboots where the auto config doesn't set a property correctly or you are using a static IP address
[13:12] <raub> Reason I ask is that I want to do vlan trunking and I only know how to do that using the interfaces file
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> Might have to do a little research, but I believe if a file is in there, network manager will use that to assist in setting up the interface
[13:14] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: you can still use /etc/network/interfaces for this purpose if you like to. alternatively, netplan: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/07/05/quick-and-easy-network-configuration-with-netplan
[13:14] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[13:14] <pragmaticenigma> thanks tomreyn
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> I'll take a look
[13:17] <akik> raub: if you configure eno1 in /etc/network/interfaces, it'll take over from network-manager
[13:19] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: actually you are probably not running bionic (which will be 18.04) on a server, but this is the first release to provide the "netplan.io" package i was discussing. so ignore this suggestion for now and just go with either /etc/network/interfaces or NM
[13:20] <TJ-> akik: raub if NetworkManager.conf has [ifupdown] "managed=false"
[13:20] <TJ-> 17.10 introduced netplan
[13:21] <tomreyn> !info netplan.io artful
[13:21] <TJ-> it was half-baked for sure, and when you look at the list of bugs/wishlist on LP it looks like someone threw the existing code over the fence then walked away
[13:21] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=netplan
[13:21] <tomreyn> maybe it was removed since
[13:22] <TJ-> !info nplan
[13:22] <tomreyn> oh :)
[13:22] <TJ-> They renamed the package due to the collision
[13:23] <TJ-> but no one looked for 'nplan'  so now it's renamed again to netplan.io is it doesn't collide with the real netplan
[13:23] <akik> TJ-: i haven't needed to edit NetworkManager.conf for that. maybe it's the default?
[13:24] <TJ-> akik: Yes it is, I was mentioning it because if someone/thing /has/ altered that then NM /will/ try to managed an interface declared in e.n.i
[13:24] <TJ-> And that can catch you out big style. It's the 1st thing I check now to avoid lots of wasted time
[13:24] <z01d> Hello, I was running ubuntu 14 upgraded to 16, and it broke MySQL.  I have now gotten into a mess.. whenever i try to do something with MySQL it tells me my password is expired, so i stat mysql in sandbox and try and set my password and then i get the following error: ERROR 29 (HY000): File './mysql/user.MYD' not found (Errcode: 2 - No such file or directory) - i can't seem to fix this has anyone encountered
[13:24] <z01d> this before?
[13:25] <Butterfly_> personally, i'd just reinstall :)
[13:25] <Butterfly_> starting with a fresh install usually solves all issues
[13:26] <TJ-> z01d: so the 16.04 mysqld is running but you cannot access it - getting password expired?
[13:27] <z01d> TJ-: Yes, but then if i try to sort that out i have another issue, which is when i try to set password i get: ERROR 29 (HY000): File './mysql/user.MYD' not found (Errcode: 2 - No such file or directory)
[13:28] <z01d> Butterfly_: I unfortunatley did not take a backup and cannot seem to use mysqldump
[13:28] <Butterfly_> boot up live session, create backups? or even that not possible?
[13:29] <z01d> what do you mean ?
[13:29] <Butterfly_> but yeah... if you don't take backups, you basically say you don't care about your data all
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> Butterfly_, The setup of mysql doesn't let you take files from one install to another easily
[13:30] <TJ-> z01d: OK, but lets stick with the 1st issue. Is it the 'root' user account that reports 'pasword expired' or some other?
[13:30] <z01d> Yes, using root.
[13:32] <TJ-> z01d: is this mysql-5.7 ?
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, The current version for 16.04 is 5.7.21
[13:33] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks for the explanations on netplan / nplan / netplan.io ;-)
[13:33] <TJ-> z01d: we have this Bug #1605490
[13:34] <z01d> TJ-: mysql  Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.7.21, for Linux (x86_64) using  EditLine wrapper
[13:34] <TJ-> z01d: so can you clarify, you're seeing this happen after the package was upgraded/installed as well?
[13:34] <z01d> IS WHAT I AM RUNNIN
[13:34] <z01d> sorry for caps
[13:34] <z01d> TJ, yes, thats correct.
[13:35] <TJ-> z01d: Don't worry, happens to us all! Give me a few minutes to review the mysql source-code; I may be able to see a solution
[13:35] <z01d> wow
[13:35] <z01d> ok
[13:35] <z01d> thank you very much
[13:35] <TJ-> z01d: now we have exact text of messages it should be quick to find the source of the message and possibly some suggestions as to how to deal with it
[13:36] <z01d> OK cool, I would have no idea looking at the source code :|
[13:37] <TJ-> z01d: good explanation here https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.6/en/expired-password-handling.html
[13:38] <z01d> thank you let me take a read
[13:38] <TJ-> z01d: AHA: you need to use "mysql  --connect-expired-password  ...other options"
[13:38] <z01d> ahh yeah i read that :)
[13:38] <z01d> thats what brings me to the second problem
[13:38] <TJ-> Give it a try, report back
[13:38] <TJ-> If that works I'll add it to our bug report
[13:38] <z01d> I have - thats what generated the other error.
[13:39] <TJ-> OK, so met's solve #2 now :)
[13:39] <z01d> so i login to mysql using the technique in that article, then i type: SET PASSWORD = PASSWORD('newpasswordhere');
[13:39] <z01d> and it responds with:
[13:39] <z01d> ERROR 29 (HY000): File './mysql/user.MYD' not found (Errcode: 2 - No such file or directory)
[13:39] <z01d> now i have a back story to this
[13:39] <TJ-> z01d: so we need to find out why it wants the file and why
[13:40] <z01d> I was trying to fix this intial problem, and came across an article that advised deleting /var/lib/mysql/mysql data dir and then reinstalling the data dir via mysql_install_db basicaly removes mysql datbase and reinstalled it.. (obviously that was not the right thing to do because after i foudn the article you just linked)
[13:40] <z01d> but i think that is why this is erroring now
[13:40] <DarkLord> Hi guys
[13:40] <z01d> im just not sure how to fix that part
[13:40] <z01d> as i was having another error about the mysql.user column count being incorrect
[13:40] <z01d> :(
[13:40] <TJ-> z01d: read Aleksandr Kuzminsky's 5th way  here http://code.openark.org/blog/mysql/recovering-a-mysql-root-password-the-fourth-solution
[13:41] <z01d> ok
[13:41] <TJ-> z01d: in summary he says: "Open user.MYD in vim, replace the password string with 42 spaces(if passwords are new), then killall -1 mysqld"
[13:41] <z01d> wow
[13:42] <z01d> ok let me try this just looking at article at mo
[13:42] <TJ-> Read the entire comment thread there's some useful warnings observations there before you start
[13:43] <TJ-> I like strcmp's sneaky way "You can copy data/mysql/user.* to another database where you have the UPDATE privilege, set the password to PASSWORD('word') or change the privileges and move the files back to data/mysql/."
[13:43] <z01d> hah thats probably easier
[13:43] <TJ-> z01d: so using that method you could create a new DB where you have full privs just to do the fix
[13:44] <z01d> yep
[13:44] <z01d> i was just looking at the user.MYD file i can't see which part to delete and am a bit hesitant
[13:46] <z01d> TJ-: is this in relation to the expired password problem or the ERROR 29 (HY000): File './mysql/user.MYD' not found (Errcode: 2 - No such file or directory)
[13:46] <z01d> ?
[13:47] <TJ-> z01d: I'm not sure but reading it no, it's actually directly fixing the expired password
[13:47] <z01d> i think i know what the problem is look at this Tj:
[13:47] <z01d> i think i need to fix this problem first then the expired passwod
[13:47] <z01d> ## find / -name user.MYD
[13:47] <z01d> /var/lib/mysql/mysql/mysql/user.MYD
[13:47] <z01d> and the error:
[13:47] <z01d> ERROR 29 (HY000): File './mysql/user.MYD' not found (Errcode: 2 - No such file or directory)
[13:48] <z01d> user.MYD is too far down
[13:48] <z01d> [3~directory structure wise
[13:48] <z01d> hmm
[13:49] <z01d> mysqld --initialize --user=mysql --basedir /var/lib/mysql --datadir /var/lib/mysql/mysql
[13:49] <z01d> ^^ that was the command i used to initialise the mysql db
[13:52] <z01d> TJ-: It seems to me that mysql is looking in the wrong directory looking at the error message, any idea how i resolve that?
[13:54] <TJ-> z01d: it looks like it's the --user= affecting that, since that path is ./mysql/user.MYD
[13:54] <oscarfx> hey everyone
[13:55] <EriC^^> hello oscarfx
[13:55] <oscarfx> could someone help me with sar or iostat command monitoring cpu load ?
[13:56] <pnwise> You should just have copied the mysql dir to another one, set the path to the new one, then delete whatever you want to try deleting
[13:56] <z01d> TJ-: so, do i remove /var/lib/mysql/mysql and then re-run the mysqld command without the --user?
[13:56] <pnwise> Or at least make a copy of the original
[13:56] <z01d> pnwise: highindsight
[13:57] <TJ-> z01d: at this point I'm not sure, need to dig some more. how about running the command under stace so we know the absolute path of the file it complains about? then we can create a dummy one paybe
[13:58] <TJ-> z01d: as in prefix the command with "strace -f -o /tmp/mysql-strace.log -e trace=file mysqld --initialize ..."
[13:58] <pavlos> oscarfx: what's the issue with iostat?
[13:59] <z01d>  TJ ok two secs
[14:00] <oscarfx> pavlos: well i can get stats of cpu for today only and from specific hour ,but I don't know how to call a command to get last 7 days stats
[14:01] <z01d> TJ-: ok i have strace log which is huge?
[14:01] <z01d> root@appsrv-1:/var/lib/mysql# cat /tmp/mysql-strace.log  | grep -i user.MYD
[14:01] <z01d> 30371 open("./mysql/user.MYD", O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0640) = 13
[14:01] <mar_1982> hello pls help me
[14:01] <TJ-> z01d: That's lovely... "pastebinit /tmp/mysql-strace.log"
[14:01] <pavlos> oscarfx: maybe you need to enable sar, edit /etc/default/sysstat to true
[14:01] <EriC^^> !ask | mar_1982
[14:02] <z01d> holy crap that script is amazing!
[14:02] <mar_1982> I installed Ubuntu 18.04 daily build in the hope that my sound problem will be resolved but I am wrong
[14:02] <z01d> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X9gG4zHS6y/
[14:03] <z01d> TJ-: i run that command as root, so i have no idea why there are permissiond enied errors in it
[14:03] <mar_1982> please teach me what to do to get back the sound in my laptop please
[14:03] <oscarfx> pavlos: aam, I think I am more lost in combining the right command
[14:03] <TJ-> z01d: aha line 1318 and close by "readlink("./mysql/user.MYD", 0x7f30d17f5c30, 511) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)"
[14:03] <mar_1982> !ask
[14:04] <oscarfx> pavlos: I've searched google and couldn't find a solution
[14:04] <pavlos> oscarfx: there are man pages for sar and sysstat, setting sar to true will collect data every 10 min
[14:04] <mar_1982> can anyone help me?
[14:04] <Hell-Razor> Anybody ever end up with a black strip on their monitor that is unusable? The monitor works fine when connected to a different source but for some reason ubuntu thinks that inch or so is the end of the screen.. I have intel HD 530 graphics
[14:05] <z01d>   TJ- hrm?
[14:05] <mar_1982> anybody here who solved sound problem in ubuntu 18.04 daily build?
[14:05] <raub> akik: It does. However I had to reboot machine. Just restating networking did not cut it. Centos i usually can do that without a restart.
[14:05] <pavlos> oscarfx: http://www.tothenew.com/blog/install-and-configure-sar-on-ubuntu/
[14:06] <pavlos> oscarfx: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-use-the-linux-iostat-command-to-check-on-your-storage-subsystem/
[14:06] <oscarfx> pavlos: jesus, thank you thousand times, mate :)
[14:06] <pavlos> oscarfx: np
[14:07] <BluesKaj> mar_1982, more details about your sound issue would help
[14:07] <mar_1982> hi BluesKaj
[14:07] <TJ-> z01d: hmmph! it's not clear from that what is going on
[14:07] <mar_1982> i think my sound card is not detected
[14:08] <mar_1982> the speaker icon at the top bar is not shown
[14:08] <z01d> TJ-: out of curiosity whats your directory structre of /var/lib/mysql look like, and where is your user.MYD located?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> mar_1982, what does aplay show?....pastebin the output
[14:08] <mar_1982> when I open the sound in settings no device for sound output is shown
[14:09] <TJ-> z01d: Don't have mysql-sandbox so might be different: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JTCZGp2cV8/
[14:10] <mar_1982> BluesKaj, here it is
[14:10] <mar_1982> mar@mar-Zeus-laptop:~$ aplay
[14:10] <mar_1982> Usage: aplay [OPTION]... [FILE]...
[14:10] <mar_1982> -h, --help              help
[14:10] <mar_1982>     --version           print current version
[14:10] <mar_1982> -l, --list-devices      list all soundcards and digital audio devices
[14:10] <mar_1982> -L, --list-pcms         list device names
[14:10] <BluesKaj> !paste
[14:11] <BluesKaj> mar_1982,^
[14:11] <z01d> tj i think i know what the issue is looking at yours let me try something
[14:11] <mar_1982>                         expression for validation is: coef * (buffer_size / 2)
[14:11] <mar_1982>     --test-nowait       do not wait for ring buffer - eats whole CPU
[14:11] <mar_1982>     --max-file-time=#   start another output file when the old file has recorded
[14:11] <mar_1982>                         for this many seconds
[14:11] <mar_1982>     --process-id-file   write the process ID here
[14:11] <mar_1982>     --use-strftime      apply the strftime facility to the output file name
[14:11] <Stewsey> Hey all. I'm trying to disable my trackpad but it keeps re-enabling after a reboot. Here's what I'm using: xinput set-prop 13 "Device Enabled" 0
[14:12] <z01d> TJ-: yours is /var/lib/mysql/mysql/user.MYD mine is /var/lib/mysql/mysql/mysql/user.MYD
[14:12] <z01d> i need to change it
[14:13] <TJ-> z01d: maybe... I had assumed that was to do with you using the -sandbox part
[14:14] <mar_1982> mar@mar-Zeus-laptop:~$ aplay
[14:14] <mar_1982> Usage: aplay [OPTION]... [FILE]...
[14:14] <mar_1982> -h, --help              help
[14:14] <mar_1982>     --version           print current version
[14:14] <mar_1982> -l, --list-devices      list all soundcards and digital audio devices
[14:14] <mar_1982> -L, --list-pcms         list device names
[14:15] <z01d> TJ-: ok fingers crossed i deleted /var/lib/mysql and started again
[14:15] <BluesKaj> well, i did tell him about pastebin, but some users don't read the replies
[14:16] <TJ-> BluesKaj: well it *was* his sound-card wasn't working... he couldn't hear you :)
[14:16] <pavlos> oscarfx: http://bencane.com/2012/07/08/sar-sysstat-linux-performance-statistics-with-ease/
[14:16] <jlnl>  Ubuntu 16.04 Server, samba and kerberos working, smbnetfs is setup, ~/.smb/smb.conf is a copy of /etc/samba/etc/smb.conf customised for my domain/ realm but when smbnetfs is used, it only shows resources shared under WORKGROUP, not my current domain.
[14:17] <jlnl> I also get this: [2018/03/14 12:58:22.380986,  0] ../source3/winbindd/winbindd_group.c:45(fill_grent)
[14:17] <jlnl> My winbind version is 4.3.11, so it should not suffer from the bug mentioned in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=858601
[14:18] <oscarfx> pavlos: thanks again, for great sources
[14:18] <TJ-> jlnl: that sounds like something to ask the samba people; I doubt we have the expertise here for you
[14:18] <z01d> TJ-: hrm now i can't login to the server with root damnit
[14:18] <z01d> :(
[14:18] <TJ-> jnewt: is there a process you can strace to ensure it's reading the correct configs?
[14:18] <jlnl> TJ-, I have already asked the people at #samba, but no one seems to be around/ available
[14:18] <TJ-> z01d: you deleted it, what do you expect!?!
[14:19] <Stewsey> Can anyone assist with my question?
[14:19] <TJ-> jlnl: ahhh... well maybe ask in #ubuntu-server since that's more likely to have people using that, but be patient it could take a while to find someone with the expertise
[14:19] <z01d> TJ-: ah how can i set the password from here to get back in
[14:19] <jlnl> TJ-, I assume the last line addressed to jnewt was meant for me?
[14:20] <jlnl> TJ-, thank you for the suggestion, I´ll join that channel as well :-)
[14:20] <TJ-> z01d: haven't you just deleted *all* the mysql databases, which presumably includes the user table with the root user in? I think you need to reconfigure the package or reinstall so the default DB is recreated
[14:20] <TJ-> jlnl: yeah, sorry, tab-complete grrr
[14:21] <jlnl> TJ-, no harm done, it was rather obvious due to the sequence of the lines ;-)
[14:22] <z01d> TJ-: hrm i see ok lets try that
[14:24] <z01d> TJ-: this is where it gets interesting, can't delete it apt-get remove it without the login working it appears?
[14:24] <z01d> ahh nevermind done
[14:25] <TJ-> z01d: you can do "dpkg-reconfigure <package>" or "apt --reinstall install <package>"
[14:27] <pragmaticenigma> z01d, were you able to get your database recovered?
[14:28] <TJ-> z01d: I've just read too that you could have used 'mysqladmin' - it's mentioned on the page about the expiry feature :)
[14:30] <z01d> TJ-: Yeah but i had other issues other than the password expiry problem, the upgrade broke the mysql table.. so i couldn't do anything, i've fixed it all now and my databases are still working :D
[14:31] <z01d> TJ-: moved the directoires out of /var/lib/mysql that are my db's then removed everythign reinstalled, moved the dirs back, and its working :D
[14:31] <z01d> thank you for your help!
[14:32] <TJ-> z01d: phew, at least you didn't kill your databases
[14:32] <z01d> TJ-: hrm one is acting funky though, seems the dbs are empty?
[14:32] <z01d> even though i moved the /var/lib/mysql/db_name folder out?
[14:35] <z01d> TJ-: am i doing something stupid, or does this mean i messed up and lost my dbs: https://pastebin.ca/4001579 ?
[14:38] <TJ-> z01d: did you change paths earlier?
[14:39] <TJ-> z01d: you mentioned trying 'my directory structure' but as I said I thought your differences may be due to mysql-sandbox
[14:49] <z01d> Yup
[15:02] <xminder> Hi
[15:03] <pragmaticenigma> hello xminder
[15:03] <xminder> Ho is from russia? Sorry :)
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> !ru | xminder
[15:04] <xminder> Thank you ))
[15:22] <hfp> How weird is that? I tried to print this PDF: http://www.catonmat.net/download/readline-emacs-editing-mode-cheat-sheet.pdf from Ubuntu 17.10 on my Brother HL2270DW. Left is 600dpi quality, right is 1200dpi quality: https://i.imgur.com/FQibyBp.jpg. Why is the font all messed up at 1200dpi but not at 600dpi? 1200dpi close-up: https://i.imgur.com/s7Ba6oZ.jpg, 600dpi close-up: https://i.imgur.com/isKTebb.jpg
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, does the printer natively support 1200dpi?
[15:28] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: It says max resolution 2400x600dpi. Is it the 600 that matters or the 2400?
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, Your printer supports 300 dpi, 600 dpi and a HQ 1200 setting. I'm not sure that 1200 dpi and HQ 1200 is the same thing
[15:34] <frostschutz> hfp, if you use ghostscript... gs -sDEVICE=pngmono -sOutputFile=test-1200.png -r1200 readline-emacs-editing-mode-cheat-sheet.pdf , and same with 600 instead of 1200 - does it look fine in the PNG image?
[15:34] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: I installed Brother's drivers and selected HQ1200 for the 1200dpi setting. I didn't know there was a difference, but I certainely didn't expect the PDF's font to change
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, it could be the font library
[15:35] <hfp> frostschutz: yes, both images look fine at 600 and 1200
[15:36] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: on the printer or on my machine?
[15:37] <frostschutz> hfp, more likely to be an issue with the printer driver specifically then - you could try printing the image :-/
[15:38] <frostschutz> but if the printer does interpolation/scaling, it might not look good either
[15:39] <hfp> frostschutz: that sucks. are there any laser printers that generally have first class linux support? this brother is a pita to install.
[15:39] <hfp> I mean brands that are known for good linux support, not specific models
[15:39] <diogenes74> unity is so comfy
[15:40] <frostschutz> hfp, you're asking the wrong person, I print very little and actually boot up a windows vm for that. I used to go with canon and turboprint driver but ... it's just not worth the effort anymore
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, the printer driver is substituting a different font as it doesn't detect the given font supports the higher resolution. There are 8 embeded font's in the file and it's possible that it's using one of the other fonts
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: GhostScript will substitute it's best match from it's supported font library. Same for a print driver. The printer driver is just not picking up on the right font library. Printing as an image should help as GhostScript (is usually) used to render the output prior to being sent to the printer
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: PDFs and Fonts are mixed bag of fun. PDFs support embedded subsets of font's (meaning only the character/glyphs needed are included with the doc) to save space. It masks the original font name in some cases, and ocassionaly the library used to render the PDF may choose the incorrect font if it can't identity the font type and properties
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: A different printer may yield better results, but it's possible the same problem would happen.
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, A good brand known to work well in Linux is HP printers. I have used them for years with little trouble and drivers are usually auto detected
[15:45] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: pdf sounds like fun, I had no idea. could I use ghostscript myself and pipe the output to a command that would print the image at 1200 dpi directly?
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, what application are you using to view the PDF... usually in the print dialog it will have the option to flatten or print as an image
[15:47] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: I was using Firefox's built-in PDF viewer
[15:48] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: it doesn't seem to have the flatten to image option
[15:48] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, try saving the file locally and open in the PDF viewer included with Ubuntu
[15:51] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: evince is the Ubuntu one?
[15:51] <sphrak> test
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> hfp, I'll be honest and say that for text, 600dpi is probably high enough (300 would be fine too) for text. If you were printing images, that's when higher resolutions would be better (that's strictly my opinion though)
[15:51] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: normally that's what I do, but in this particular case the text is a bit blurry at 600dpi
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> Yes, hfp, evince I believe is the default PDF viewer installed
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not seeing a way to flatten or print as image. hfp ... the ghostscript command you used earlier can also be used to generate a new PDF... I just don't have the commands on hand at the moment
[15:53] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: it's too hard to capture on a picture, but printing the pdf at 600dpi or printing the 1200dpi image I got with `gs` makes a difference. on the 600dpi one, the lines for the table are a bit blurry, they're a matrix of black and grey dots whereas the 1200dpi image printed at 1200dpi has crisp black lines without any dots
[15:55] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: I think the issue is Firefox's PDF software. If I print the downloaded file with evince at 1200dpi, it prints fine without any blur or weird fonts.
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> An even better solution!!
[15:56] <hfp> yep even 600dpi printouts look fine with evince, not blurry like firefox
[15:56] <hfp> man I really want to like firefox but it has a ton of little things like this that make it hard...
[15:58] <narendra_> hi .. can someone provide the download link for default ubuntu 18.04 beta ?
[15:59] <frostschutz> hfp, you can set pdfjs.disabled in about:config to stop firefox handling pdf by itself. but it's useful (apart from printing, apparently)
[16:00] <hfp> frostschutz: it's not a new issue either...... https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/issues/2750 from 2013
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: oddly, I'm pretty certain firefox uses ghostscript for rendering. strange that it has so many problems. I think printing in firefox is more afterthought than anything, and they don't put much attention on it assume everyone just does things on screen.
[16:05] <hfp> pragmaticenigma: I guess the workaround is to use the download pdf button in firefox's viewer, choose open with <any better pdf app> and print from there. FF uses pdfjs afaik, I don't know what that uses under the hood
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> for my job (I work in a printing company) we only use Firefox for quick view. We know that for proofs and other actions to use a program like FoxIt, Adobe or evince
[16:24] <cristian_c> frostschutz: hfp , so, I think mozplugger would have gone over that firefox pdf plugin issue
[16:25] <cristian_c> !info mozplugger
[16:25] <cristian_c> so, was it removed?
[16:25] <cristian_c> !info mozplugger xenial
[16:26] <jlnl> How can I mount a cifs share with fuse?
[16:27] <cristian_c> jnewt: I don't know what you've tried until now
[16:27] <jlnl> as a normal user that is.
[16:27] <jlnl> cristian_c,  mount.fuse -t cifs -o sec=krb5,multiuser //SERVERNAME/homedir$ ~/smbmount/
[16:29] <hfp> pragomer: well I know better now, won't print pdfs from firefox directly anymore
[16:29] <jlnl> cristian_c, obviously, SERVERNAME is a subsitute for the real server on our network.
[16:29] <cristian_c> jlnl: so, just as root?
[16:30] <gekketinus> i now have elementaryOS had linux mint
[16:30] <jlnl> cristian_c, no, as normal user, otherwise I did not have to use fuse
[16:30] <cristian_c> I mean: is it working just as root?
[16:30] <jlnl> cristian_c, it is.
[16:31] <cristian_c> jlnl: you could check permissions from command line or just using 'Users and groups' frontend
[16:31] <cristian_c> gnome on 17.10?
[16:32] <jlnl> cristian_c, the permissions are not the issue here. smblclient can connect readily to the shares.
[16:32] <cristian_c> I mean the command above
[16:32] <jlnl> cristian_c, the permissions are not the issue here. smbclient can connect readily to the shares. <- typo corrected, sorry about that.
[16:33] <cristian_c> uhm, ypu've pasted the same sentence
[16:34] <jlnl> not quite, smbclient had an extra ´l´ in the previous sentence
[16:34] <jlnl> cristian_c, ^
[16:35] <cristian_c> [17:28] <jlnl> cristian_c,  mount.fuse -t cifs -o sec=krb5,multiuser //SERVERNAME/homedir$ ~/smbmount/
[16:36] <cristian_c> I thought you talked about that command
[16:37] <CodeBug> hey room i used the create startup disk and used it to make 17.10 but when i boot the usb it hangs on the logo with the dots
[16:37] <jlnl> cristian_c, More or less, but the sentence that had a typo was about smbclient.
[16:37] <CodeBug> ideas?
[16:38] <cristian_c> jlnl: I understood that if you type the command by sudo, it works, but it desn't without that
[16:39] <cristian_c> CodeBug: you creste 17.10disk inside 17.10 ubuntu?
[16:40] <cristian_c> *do you
[16:40] <jlnl> cristian_c, not really since the user I test it with doesn´t have sudo rights. But I have tested it under yet another user that *has* sudo rights and it works there.
[16:41] <cristian_c> CodeBug: and, I suppose you've looked at integrity of .iso file, before transferring it to usb media
[16:42] <cristian_c> jlnl: ok, if you try *the other user' without sudo, does it work too?
[16:42] <jlnl> cristian_c, it does, but only using the normal mount.cifs, not the fuse mount.
[16:43] <cristian_c> ok
[16:43] <jlnl> cristian_c, so I guess I have made an error regarding the syntax for using a fuse mount.
[16:45] <cristian_c> jlnl: what reply does the unprivilegized user get if he types the fuse cifs mount command?
[16:46] <CodeBug> no inside of 16.04LTS
[16:46] <jlnl> cristian_c, /bin/sh: 1: -o: not found
[16:46] <jlnl> cristian_c, so somehow, this option does not seem te be recognised by mount.fuse.
[16:46] <cristian_c> CodeBug: I don't remember exactly, but release notes reported 16.04 had issues w9th startup disk
[16:46] <cristian_c> or maybe 15.04 and 15.10
[16:47] <CodeBug> well that sucks
[16:47] <CodeBug> is there anyother way to create one?
[16:47] <cristian_c> CodeBug: if so (and I'm not sure what release), there luckily are many alternatives
[16:48] <TJ-> jlnl: can you strace it? as in "strace -o /tmp/smbnetfs.log -f <commands + args>"
[16:48] <cristian_c> *what releases are affectee by the bug
[16:49] <TJ-> CodeBug: When it hangs on the dots logo (that's the Plymouoth splash screen) are the dots animating? Have you tried pressing Esc key which should dismiss the splash and show you kernel/init system messages - which may indicate what the problem is
[16:59] <jlnl> cristian_c, I´ve got to go now, thank you for trying to help me.
[17:03] <Gargravarr> hmm seems Firefox 59 is in the process of being rolled out as a security update, but not all the machines in the security.ubuntu.com round-robin currently have it
[17:03] <Gargravarr> this is, of course, playing merry havok with my laptop imaging :)
[17:22] <dchotas> TJ-: hey there, around? :)
[17:22] <TJ-> slightly obloid :)
[17:23] <jerware> hello.
[17:23] <dchotas> TJ-: just wanted to let you know that I fixed my DE on 16.04 by removing $HOME/.cache of the affected user
[17:24] <dchotas> I don't know what's actually conflicting within the cache but it seems to be a nice thing to try first if any other cases show up
[17:25] <TJ-> dchotas: ahhhh, now that's great because that's discardable without issues. That infers maybe a file-format changed
[17:27] <dchotas> TJ-: im hinting at something within compiz because my main symptons were broken compositing and the inability to activate compiz via cairo-dock
[17:27] <jerware> I'm running postgresql 9.1on an ubuntu trusty 14.04.2 LTS server.  It's old but I have to support a legacy application.  I'm building an other "mirror" server to replicate and can't find postgresql-9.1 on Ubuntu Trusty 14.04.1 LTS.  Where do I find postgresql 9.1?
[17:28] <jerware> apt-cache search provides version 9.3 on a fresh installation of Trusty 14.04.1 LTS.
[17:29] <nacc> jerware: postgresql-9.1 is a package on trusty
[17:29] <nacc> jerware: versus postgresql itself
[17:30] <nacc> jerware: what you are seeing is the default postgres, which is 9.3 on trusty
[17:31] <TJ-> dchotas: yes, that's what we've assumed up to now
[17:32] <jerware> http://codepad.org/DzeFfrHD  how do I pick postgres-9.1 if 9.3 is the default?
[17:32] <nacc> jerware: do you not have universe enabled?
[17:32] <TJ-> !info postgresql-9.1 trusty
[17:32] <nacc> !info postgresql-9.1 trusty | jerware
[17:33] <nacc> hrm, not what rmadison says
[17:33] <nacc> jerware: can you check on your 14.04.2 and see where you got it from there?
[17:34] <nacc> jerware: oh i'm very sorry, 9.1 was source uploaded to trusty but doesn't build
[17:34] <nacc> (it would appear)
[17:34] <nacc> no wait, it's fine
[17:35] <nacc> oh that's the source package name, that's why the above fails
[17:35] <nacc> one sec
[17:35] <jerware> Here's a trusty server with postgres 9.1 http://codepad.org/yhH4cAv6
[17:36] <nacc> jerware: right, you're using a PPA for that
[17:36] <nacc> jerware: afaict, the postgresql-9.1 in trusty if for some tooling, not the postgres server itself
[17:36] <nacc> jerware: (in the paste you provieded, pgdg would never show up in an ubuntu version
[17:36] <nacc> also the versioning is done ... wrong :)
[17:37] <nacc> jerware: `apt-cache policy postgresql-9.1`
[17:38] <jerware> cache policy output: http://codepad.org/7qH2diS3
[17:38] <TJ-> It's from apt.postgresql.org
[17:38] <TJ-> as in https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/E1Z3OCw-00042R-Ni%40atalia.postgresql.org
[17:38] <nacc> jerware: yep, so you'd need to add that same repository to get the same packages, of course
[17:39] <jerware> nacc: to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[17:39] <nacc> jerware: however you did it on the other server? :)
[17:39] <nacc> jerware: probably, though, to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/...
[17:40] <jerware> yup, I see it.  So I just add it and run apt-get update.  correct?
[17:40] <nacc> jerware: probably
[17:46] <jerware> nacc: working. thanks!!
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> hfp: I was poking around the git project for pdf.js... I didn't know, but pdf.js takes the PDF and converts them to HTML. Which explains some of the goofiness in rendering. Sounds like the best option is to always download and print from evince for best quality
[17:47] <demuxer> What's your main innovation for the Bionic release?
[17:47] <EriC^^> !ubuntu+1 | demuxer
[18:02] <anonymous> hello
[18:02] <anonymous> hello
[18:03] <Guest185> anyone here_
[18:03] <EriC^^> !ask | Guest185
[18:41] <matyd> what is a good coding editor to use when starting out programming? I'm learning c++ and i'm using Geany but just wondering if there were any better ones out there for beginners?
[18:42] <pnwise> Doesn't matter - just start coding and try few and pick what you like.
[18:43] <matyd> ok, i do like the compiling feature that geany has, just click a button. didn't know if there were any others that were better
[18:43] <pnwise> Most people use few, I like geany for large files because it handles them pretty good for gui editor. In cli I use vi and nano(mostly vi because vim is not everywhere). But I also like VisualStuio code for other things
[18:44] <pnwise> I don't have exactly experience with C/C++ so not sure there what will be good - but I like to form my own opinion
[18:44] <matyd> ah okay, i like nano also.. vi; i haven't figured out yet lol
[18:45] <matyd> yeah no, that's why i'm asking around so I can try a few and see what's best for me per se
[18:45] <pnwise> Just install bunch of them - there is features I like in some but I don't like other things in them, like vscode is looking pretty nice and pleasant but is definetely not light and I have a doubt it wont handle well large files
[18:46] <pnwise> For C/C++ there was one that everyone reccomend, let me find the name
[18:46] <matyd> okay thanks, i installed atom but don't believe it is exactly for what i'm using it for at the moment atleast
[18:46] <pnwise> Code::Blocks
[18:46] <pnwise> That's the name, but I don't have any experience with it
[18:46] <matyd> i'll check that one out too thanks for the input
[18:47] <pnwise> I also tried atom when it launched - it is kind of slow and buggy. VScode is pretty good because of the plugins
[18:48] <pnwise> It is the first software from MS that I like
[18:48] <pnwise> vscode is atom made right imo
[18:48] <matyd> i'll check vscode out too then because I'm not really a fan of atom either lol
[18:52] <Mrokii> Hello. I have found a strange phenomenon. When I ran a game on Steam, Cantata (the mpd client) was muted. I tried Clementine as a test, and there the music was not muted. Does anybody have an explanation why this might happen? It seems to be something specific to Catana (possibly other players, but I only have tried out only Catana and Clementine.
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> not entirely certain on what the issue might be, but Steam is provided by Valve software and they would be the best resource for help on potential bugs in their software
[19:00] <pragmaticenigma> Mrokii, not entirely certain on what the issue might be, but Steam is provided by Valve software and they would be the best resource for help on potential bugs in their software
[19:02] <Mrokii> pragmaticenigma: I'm not sure if it's a bug in Steam, as there is no "problem" with playing songs with Clementine, just with Catana. I'm just puzzled why one soundplayer shows this behaviour, but another one doesn't.
[19:05] <Fuchs> Mrokii: mpd might not be using pulse audio and the device might be blocked
[19:06] <Fuchs> Mrokii: check your mpd config, and if cantata is configured to run its own instance (single user mode), check .local/share/cantata/mpd/mpd.conf
[19:06] <Fuchs> Mrokii: should have something like this
[19:06] <Mrokii> Fuchs: Ah... I'll take a look, thanks.
[19:06] <Fuchs> audio_output {
[19:06] <Fuchs>   type "pulse"
[19:06] <Fuchs>   name "Output" }
[19:07] <Fuchs> if it is using pulse, you might want to check pulse config, it has a stupid setting to mute music players when an application with type voice is active,
[19:07] <Fuchs> in which case steam might trigger that due to the voice chat
[19:07] <Mrokii> Fuchs: I see. Cool, thanks, that sounds like a logical explanation. I'll investigate that further.
[19:07] <albertoiNET> I can't adjust brightness on a laptop with ubuntu 17.10, nvidia dedicated  GTX1060 more info https://askubuntu.com/questions/1010405/the-brightness-of-laptop-screen-cannot-be-adjusted-with-either-the-buttons-or-th/1011557
[19:07] <Fuchs> Mrokii: if you give me a minute I might be able to find the name of the pulse module responsible for that, so you can test by unloading it
[19:09] <Fuchs> Mrokii:  https://github.com/mumble-voip/mumble/issues/1069   this one   (ignore that it's mumble, it does the same for every application with that role, and steam's chat might or might not set that)
[19:09] <Fuchs> Mrokii: I assume it's one of these two issues
[19:15] <Mrokii> Fuchs: I have no mpd.conf in my .local-folder, just in "/etc/". But pulse is commented out. "alsa" is used for audio-output instead.
[19:15] <Fuchs> Mrokii: do you run mpd manually or is it started by cantata? If you only have it in etc, then it's probably a system wide mpd
[19:15] <Fuchs> Mrokii: you could use pulse there, but that might cause issues due to what user it runs under
[19:16] <Fuchs> Mrokii: if you are the only user on that system using mpd, I'd recommend migrating away from a system wide one and let cantata handle it
[19:16] <Fuchs> but of course you can check if you manage to enable pulse in the system wide one. Otherwise it will indeed use alsa directly and thus the soundcard might be blocked if multiple applications try to use it
[19:16] <Mrokii> Fuchs: I think mpd runs all the time, independent of Catana
[19:16] <Fuchs> see above, then :)
[19:16] <Mrokii> Fuchs: Worth a try. :)
[19:18] <Fuchs> Mrokii: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Music_Player_Daemon#Configure_audio  suggests it can use pulse, but needs some modifications
[19:18] <Fuchs> (Arch Linux, but potentially valid for other distributions too. Make sure to read the lines below on what else you have to adapt)
[19:20] <gauravsood> hello Openstack community, i'm a noobie here and to the open source. Can anyone guide me how do i get started
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> Mrokii, how is Catana installed/launched? is it through the steam application?
[19:27] <Mrokii> pragmaticenigma: No, Catana doesn't have anything to do with the Steam installation. I installed it some weeks ago on my Kubuntu-System.
[19:28] <pragmaticenigma> oh, okay, I must have misunderstood the inquiry. Mrokii
[19:30] <charcode78> hi
[19:30] <z01d> What is a good alternative to a wiki for taking and organising notes/projects/etc?
[19:33] <lordcirth_work> z01d, freeplane?
[19:33] <Mrokii> pragmaticenigma: No problem at all.
[19:33] <lordcirth_work> I am currently using freeplane to plan a presentation
[19:34] <z01d> wil check it out, thank you
[19:34] <Mrokii> Fuchs: I chose the default installation method for Catana, which was system wide I think. There was an option for single user as well, if I remember it correctly.
[19:42] <Mrokii> Fuchs: Okay, it seems it was indeed the issue you suggested with the mumble-thread. I unloaded "module-role-cork" as suggested there and now Catana keeps on playing when the game on Steam is running.
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> Awesome! Mrokii
[19:43] <Mrokii> I guess I'll disable loading that module altogether, as is suggested in the thread.
[19:44] <Mrokii> pragmaticenigma: Fuchs had the right idea, not me. :)
[19:46] <ripdisk> hey guys.... is there something wrong with nicksev right now??? I'm very partial to this nickname, because out of the 18 and a half years, his is my longest registered one
[19:46] <ripdisk> last time i c heked i was around 11 years regstered
[19:46] <ripdisk> that's not whati came to ask though, i have an ubuntu question
[19:46] <ripdisk> i'm trying t get a daemon to work...doesnt really mater which one
[19:46] <ripdisk> and whqeni ran it i get this error
[19:48] <ripdisk> ntu(+CLcfjnt)] [Act: 1,2,3]
[19:48] <ripdisk> [#ubuntu] wtf
[19:48] <ripdisk> sorry
[19:48] <ripdisk> the error i get is:
[19:48] <ripdisk> Remote Access error: can't bind to port 80. Error= 10013
[19:48]  * Butterfly_ sprinkles some mood over Nothing4You 
[19:48]  * Butterfly_ sprinkles some mood over NotInTheMood *
[19:48] <ripdisk> so i said to mself, hey that makes sense, i have apache
[19:49] <ripdisk> so then i hcanged it to port 81, got the same error....
[19:49] <ripdisk> so then i changed the port to seomthing random lke '420'
[19:49] <ripdisk> and i still get "remote access error: can'tbind to port 420
[19:50] <ripdisk> so, something within ubuntu is stopping programs from being ablet o bind to ports, even completely unused ones
[19:50] <ripdisk> any idea wat would do that? it stops my software from binding to any port whatsoever and i dont understand wh
[19:51] <ripdisk> does ubuntu have soemtehing i have to manually go in and tel it wha tports are OK to use?
[19:51] <piolino> hello
[19:51] <piolino> !list
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> ripdisk, have you setup any firewall rules that might prevent ports from being reserved
[19:52] <tierra> anyone aware of trusty-updates package channel issues? getting hash sum mismatch errors like these:
[19:52] <tierra> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[19:53] <pnwise> ripdisk, What is the output from netstat -tulpn , might want to use pastebin if you dont want to get kicked from the channel
[19:53] <tierra> (and clearly missing files with 404 at that url)
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> !trusty | tierra
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> ugh
[19:54] <pnwise> ripdisk, also you might have to run it with sudo
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> sorry about tyhat
[19:55] <pragmaticenigma> tierra, it's possbile the mirrors are being updated right now and that is causing the mismatches. Wait a while and try again. I usually find it clears itself up within 24 hours
[20:02] <UnnamedAnon> hello
[20:03] <UnnamedAnon> Is anyone here?
[20:03] <Faults> Yup, I'm here in the darkness
[20:03] <UnnamedAnon> Hello fellow linux friend
[20:04] <UnnamedAnon> Where are you guys from?
[20:04] <UnnamedAnon> I'm from Belgium
[20:04] <Faults> Far far North
[20:04] <UnnamedAnon> Scandinavia?
[20:04] <Faults> Yes, Finland
[20:04] <UnnamedAnon> Oh, suomi
[20:04] <Faults> Indeed
[20:05] <UnnamedAnon> YOu're from the same country as Linus Torvalds
[20:05] <Faults> Yes and from same city
[20:05] <UnnamedAnon> Wow
[20:05] <UnnamedAnon> Do you also use windows?
[20:06] <Faults> Since 3.11... now days I have it only in VirtualBox
[20:06] <UnnamedAnon> xD
[20:06] <UnnamedAnon> The only reason i use windows, is to play games
[20:06] <Carll> Nice, is Linus mega-respected locally?
[20:07] <UnnamedAnon> Welcome carll :)
[20:07] <Faults> Carll: Nah... its not really famous and most people does not know him or what he does
[20:08] <UnnamedAnon> Yeah, linux is a small world
[20:08] <Carll> He is a virtual celebrity :)
[20:08] <Faults> UnnamedAnon: That would be also my reason to use Windows. Now days I just don't have enough time to play games.
[20:08] <Faults> I play some Native ports or via Lutris/Wine
[20:08] <UnnamedAnon> What do you usually do then?
[20:09] <Carll> Minecraft is an option dare I say.
[20:09] <UnnamedAnon> I installed minecraft today on linux
[20:09] <Faults> I play CS:GO and some Feral games. Also Pillars of Eternity and WAsteland 2
[20:09] <Faults> On Lutris I play WoW / Diablo 3
[20:10] <tgm4883> !ot
[20:10] <UnnamedAnon> also on linux?
[20:10] <peter2202> hi folks!
[20:10] <Carll> I liked it when it was in beta, haven't played since.
[20:10] <UnnamedAnon> hi peter
[20:10] <Carll> Hey there peter2202
[20:10] <Faults> Thanks tgm4883 from reminding :D
[20:10] <Faults> On Linux yes
[20:11] <UnnamedAnon> Today, i installed Ubuntu mate. Is there another Linux distro that you guys recommend?
[20:11] <Faults> Just Ubuntu is great, but I would check also #Solus
[20:12] <UnnamedAnon> thx, i'll look into it
[20:12] <Carll> Who remembers the Damn Small Linux era?
[20:12] <peter2202> I have a question, maybe someone can help me... Is there any way to screen mirror from ubuntu to AppleTV? I ve read a lot about the airplay.jar which isnt actually a screen mirror, just 1 picture a second. I am looking for a software like Airparrot2, which is available for PC and even ChromeOS (which is based on Linux)
[20:12] <UnnamedAnon> You mean in the 2000's?
[20:13] <peter2202> UnnamedAnon I heard LinuxMint is quite comfortable for beginners
[20:13] <tgm4883> UnnamedAnon: Carll really, there's a #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[20:13] <UnnamedAnon> With screen mirror, do you mean using it like teamviewer?
[20:13] <UnnamedAnon> i used mint. But i'm not that much of a noob with linux. But still thx for mentioning
[20:14] <leftyfb> peter2202: I use airplay.jar and it works fine
[20:14] <peter2202> UnnamedAnon yes like teamviewer. I d like to screen mirror my Linux screen to an appleTV
[20:15] <Carll> peter2202: worth looking over this https://askubuntu.com/questions/833436/airplay-mirroring-from-ubuntu-16-04-to-apple-tv#833441
[20:15] <peter2202> leftyfb thank you for that suggestion, but does it have more than 1 picture per second? i tried it out and its really slow..
[20:15] <UnnamedAnon> well, you could use Anydesk
[20:15] <peter2202> Carll thank you so much for mentioning that site. I ve found that already, it's a nice solution, but actually it isnt a real "screen mirror"
[20:16] <UnnamedAnon> Anydesk is a software similar to teanviewer. BUt i don't know if it'll work on apple tv
[20:16] <leftyfb> peter2202: I've used it for presentations and to teach a class using commands in the linux terminal It worked fine for that.
[20:16] <peter2202> you re a teacher, too? :-) leftyfb
[20:16] <leftyfb> peter2202: I have taught some classes, I wouldn't say I'm a teacher
[20:17] <peter2202> for presentations it might be great, but for like video streaming...
[20:17] <UnnamedAnon> I'm learning linux in class. my teacher is pretty awesome
[20:17] <UnnamedAnon> maybe you should try OBS
[20:17] <leftyfb> peter2202: I do not know of any other solution to get Ubuntu to stream to an Apple TV other than open-airplay
[20:19] <peter2202> leftyfb thank you for your answer. I am at a school with a lot of appletvs and a lot of Windows-PCs, but we want to switch to Ubuntu. Now desperately looking for a solution like Airparrot2
[20:20] <leftyfb> peter2202: chromecast?
[20:20] <peter2202> i thought if its possible from ChromeOS it must be working from GNU Linux as well somehow
[20:20] <leftyfb> peter2202: what's the solution in chromeOS?
[20:20] <peter2202> chromecast is working, but well... our principal bought the appletvs...  :-(((
[20:20] <leftyfb> never heard of that
[20:21] <peter2202> leftyfb Airparrot2 is available on ChromeOS
[20:21] <peter2202> which is based on Linux
[20:21] <leftyfb> peter2202: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/airparrot-2/angeekeknicncfikkocomhekpfbgpedh
[20:22] <leftyfb> peter2202: you can use Airparrot2 in chrome on ubuntu
[20:23] <leftyfb> peter2202: the problem is, chrome is moving away from chrome apps at some point soon
[20:24] <peter2202> really??? wow that would be awesome.. need to check that...
[20:24] <peter2202> i tried out streaming from chrome on ubuntu to chromecast , works very fine
[20:30] <Astrid314> Hi! I just succeed by installing Ubuntu on my old iMac. It's an old 2009 and I my eyes gets very tired after I've been using the computer a while so i'm guessing I might need to download and install new drivers.
[20:31] <Astrid314> Since i'm new with Ubuntu I don't know if Ubuntu comes with the latests drivers or not...
[20:32] <Ben64> Astrid314: your eyes get tired so you think you need new drivers? how's that work
[20:32] <Astrid314> Hahahaa, you know, when the screen isn't right.
[20:33] <Astrid314> I had to poke around with nomodeset to get it working to begin with.
[20:33] <Ben64> check the specs of the screen you're using, check what resolution it's running at, if they aren't the same, then change it
[20:33] <leftyfb> Astrid314: you're going to need to try to define "isn't right"
[20:35] <Astrid314> My feeling is that it flickers
[20:35] <leftyfb> atrius: refresh rate maybe?
[20:38] <Astrid314> And when I watch something the video is hacking.
[20:39] <Astrid314> How do I refresh rate leftyfb?
[20:40] <Ben64> Astrid314: what does "xrandr" output? use paste.ubuntu.com
[20:42] <ioria> Astrid314, if you had to use nomodeset, you probably have an nvidia card  ?
[20:42] <Astrid314> I don't follow Ben64, I don't understand what do try out?
[20:42] <Ben64> "xrandr"
[20:42] <Astrid314> That's right ioria
[20:42] <Ben64> it's a command, you run it, then put what it says into paste.ubuntu.com and give us the link so we can also see the output
[20:43] <Astrid314> what's xrandr Ben64? :) (i'm a newbie btw)
[20:43] <Ben64> welp, i give up
[20:43] <Astrid314> aha
[20:43] <ioria> Astrid314, do this;  sudo apt install pastebinit ;  xrandr | pastebinit
[20:50] <nuovo> hi how can I put an iso on usb via temirnale?
[20:51] <ioria> nuovo, dd
[20:51] <nuovo> dd?
[20:51] <Astrid314> ioria, did that now
[20:52] <ioria> nuovo, man dd;   sudo dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdx  ; https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[20:52] <brontosaurusrex> ioria: dd command, but carefull.
[20:53] <brontosaurusrex> nuovo i meant.
[20:53] <Borw3> Hello guys, any DFD drawing assistant application for ubuntu?
[20:53] <Borw3> DFD= Data Flow Diagram
[20:54] <ioria> nuovo, yes, be careful to correctly   identify  your usb device
[20:54] <nuovo> yes
[20:54] <nuovo> not fuction thther and unetboit
[20:55] <Astrid3141> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Hf9DB3dMmc/
[20:55] <ioria> nuovo, use   'dd' command, not that
[20:55] <nuovo> ok
[20:55] <Astrid3141> That is what I got ioria, Ben64.
[20:56] <brontosaurusrex> Borw3: Dia perhaps
[20:56] <Astrid3141> also: xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[20:56] <Borw3> brontosaurusrex: It's in repos?
[20:56] <brontosaurusrex> Borw3: I think so
[20:56] <brontosaurusrex> Borw3: or java app https://www.yworks.com/products/yed
[20:57] <Troy1> Hey i'm having issues with a broken apt-get and installing linux kernel. Here's the output https://gist.github.com/64eb184b5ec5af4c89ca317872bb5a9a
[20:58] <Borw3> brontosaurusrex: Thanks, let me try them out :D
[20:58] <ioria> Astrid3141, we need to know you video card: lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' | pastebinit
[21:00] <Astrid3141> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sb9Y7gF2tm/
[21:00] <ioria> Astrid3141, it's not nvidia, it's amd
[21:01] <Astrid3141> Ah... ok.
[21:02] <ioria> Astrid3141, and you needed nomodeset in order to boot ?
[21:03] <Astrid3141> Yes
[21:03] <ioria> Astrid3141, radeon is loaded
[21:03] <Astrid3141> Radeon...?
[21:04] <kostkon_> Troy1, sudo apt-get autoremove --purge  and then try again
[21:04] <ioria> Astrid3141,  you're not using nomodeset
[21:05] <kostkon> Troy1, actually also do a   sudo apt-get clean before trying
[21:05] <Astrid3141> I had to during installation 'cause the graphics was unreadable.
[21:06] <Astrid3141> Then I want through the live-session to make the setting permanent.
[21:07] <Astrid3141> akik can tell who was my guide :)
[21:07] <Troy1> kostkon: no change i acutally get more multiple source lists errors now lol
[21:08] <Troy1> No apport report written because the error message indicates a disk full error. I keep getting this which doesn't make sense
[21:10] <kostkon> Troy1, pastebin the errors also output of  df -h maybe
[21:10] <gbellinoz1> Does this in my logs mean ntpd is somehow open to the outside world?
[21:10] <gbellinoz1> ntpd[8662]: 144.48.166.166 local addr 192.168.15.100 -> <null>
[21:12] <Troy1> here is the update after a clean. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b7fb9d8eee877cb537fd8e6df8b78dde
[21:13] <Troy1> Here is a df -h https://gist.github.com/e8f272809a862272c7955592a1a0d5df
[21:13] <kostkon> Troy1, something's wrong with your sources list    cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:14] <Troy1> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cdf0a2a996ed68a12aa29dc8a75a1aaa
[21:14] <Troy1> I dont see what would be wrong tho
[21:15] <Troy1> could I delete it? would it auto create itself?
[21:16] <nacc> Troy1: you have duplicate lines
[21:16] <nacc> Troy1: line 58-59 are the same as 68-69 are identical, afaict
[21:16] <kostkon> Troy1, probably delete everything below ###### Ubuntu Update Repos
[21:17] <nacc> Troy1: it's also wrong, as xenial-security is not at archive.ubuntu.com for main
[21:17] <Troy1> I've never changed it tho
[21:18] <nacc> Troy1: uh, that's 100% not the way ubuntu ships the file
[21:18] <kostkon> Troy1, after fixing this, do a  sudo apt-get update,  then again a  sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[21:18] <nacc> Troy1: so something changed it, or you're not running stock ubuntu (those lines "Ubuntu Update Repos" are not standard)
[21:25] <Troy1> i fied the sources list but im still getting error with the kernel install
[21:25] <Troy1> fixed*
[21:27] <nacc> Troy1: sorry, what's the error (I only came back to my keyboard)
[21:27] <kostkon> Troy1, pastebin the new output
[21:28] <Troy1> same crap
[21:28] <Troy1> Hey i'm having issues with a broken apt-get and installing linux kernel. Here's the output https://gist.github.com/64eb184b5ec5af4c89ca317872bb5a9a
[21:29] <Troy1> it keeps trying to install the linux kernel no matter what I do
[21:29] <nacc> Troy1: you are out of space
[21:29] <Troy1> i have 500GB available
[21:29] <nacc> Troy1: you need to do the autoremove first, but barring that it won't let you, you need to manually clear up /boot
[21:30] <nacc> Troy1: in /boot ??
[21:30] <nacc> TJ-: link to your script, i suppose?
[21:30] <Troy1> ahh makes sense
[21:30] <Troy1> can i just delete all of /boot
[21:30] <nacc> Troy1: uh, no.
[21:30] <akik> Astrid3141: i helped you add the nomodeset there. that's where my knowledge of apple crossed the 0 line
[21:31] <akik> apple hardware
[21:32] <Astrid3141> akik: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sb9Y7gF2tm/
[21:33] <Astrid3141> ioria said im not using nomodeset?
[21:34] <akik> Astrid3141: i only have intel and nvidia gfx. you can check if you have nomodeset by looking at: cat /proc/cmdline
[21:34] <akik> Astrid3141: i'm about 100% sure it's there :)
[21:34] <Astrid3141> it is :)
[21:35] <kostkon> nacc, df -h is here  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e8f272809a862272c7955592a1a0d5df
[21:36] <akik> !radeon | Astrid3141
[21:38] <nacc> kostkon: thanks, yeah /boot is fool
[21:38] <nacc> Troy1: basically, you can delete some initrd files from /boot that are large and older (look at the version)
[21:38] <nacc> Troy1: then run `sudo apt-get autoremove`
[21:38] <TJ-> nacc: Just back from cricket... you want a script?
[21:39] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, you had a script, iirc, for cleaning up full /boot
[21:39] <TJ-> nacc: this one? http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/apt-autoremove-old-kernels
[21:39] <nacc> Troy1: --^
[21:39] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, i think so
[21:43] <Burny> Hello total linux noob here, running Lubuntu on old p4 machine suddenly getting "you do not have permission to install software" when running gnome-software %U in gui
[21:43] <TJ-> Burny: which release of Ubuntu?
[21:44] <Burny> 17. artful
[21:44] <Burny> doh 17.10 artful aardvark
[21:44] <TJ-> Burny: hmmm, is the desktop session using Gnome/Wayland by chance? because that does prevent applications gainin root privileges
[21:45] <Burny> don't remeber seeubg wayland anywhere how to check ?
[21:46] <TJ-> Burny: "env | grep XDG_SESSION"
[21:48] <Burny> TJ ID=c2 / Type=x11/ Desktop=Lubuntu
[21:49] <TJ-> Burny: OK, not a Wayland issue then. Let's check you user still is a member of the 'sudo' group - do : "groups"
[21:49] <Burny> yup checked that also
[21:49] <TJ-> Burny: hmmm, what does the %U placeholder represent?
[21:50] <TJ-> Burny: is it a full URL string ?
[21:50] <Burny> TJ actually not sure that's the way it appears in properties
[21:51] <TJ-> Burny: ahhh, the spec says :%U: A list of URLs. Each URL is passed as a separate argument to the executable program ..."
[21:51] <TJ-> Burny: did the user log-in at the beginning of this session? It's not an autologin session (where no password would be entered) ?
[21:52] <usil> hello. I have a dell presision laptop m4500 with ubuntu 16.04. The problem is that sometimes that os randomly freezes. I made a test for memory and every thing is ok. Also the tempreture seems ok. What could be wrong?
[21:52] <Burny> TJ logged in during startup but was not prompted when trying to install software.  but i don't ever recall software installer asking.
[21:52] <TJ-> usil: any clues in the kernel log (/var/log/kern.log) ?
[21:53] <TJ-> Burny: it sounds like the password-agent might be a problem - have you tried the simple solution of log-out and log-in again?
[21:54] <Burny> TJ Yes logged out. rebooted.
[21:55] <TJ-> Burny: that *is* weird. Let me see if I can find bugs reporting this
[21:56] <Burny> TJ: thanks.  im gonna dig up the work around that i foundmaybe that would givwe a clue.....
[21:57] <kostkon> Burny, was the line 'gnome-software %U' taken from its .desktop file?
[21:57] <TJ-> wow! never seen so many bugs/crashes on a package like that before!
[21:58] <Burny> kostkon: yes
[21:58] <usil> TJ-: I will check
[22:00] <TJ-> Burny: I guess you're seeing this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/970838/ubuntu-software-center-no-permission-to-install-software
[22:02] <Burny> TJ : that's the message
[22:02] <TJ-> Burny: in a terminal try: "sudo apt install policykit-1-gnome" --- if it installs it (i.e. it wasn't installed) test again
[22:03] <Burny> TJ : policykit-1-gnome is already the newest version
[22:05] <usil> TJ-: nothing useful
[22:05] <TJ-> Burny: darn! that'd have been the east fix!
[22:07] <TJ-> Burny: was there a particular program/app you wanted to install?
[22:07] <Burny> TJ tested again. still has same message.
[22:07] <Burny> TJ no, just trying to find the fix.
[22:08] <TJ-> Burny: OK, can you try starting the program from a terminal and lets see if we can capture some useful messages when it tells you you don't have permission....
[22:08] <kostkon> Burny, I'm ready to recommend  sudo snap install..  no?  :(
[22:09] <usil> TJ-: can problem be rlater to graphic card (NVIDIA)?
[22:09] <Burny> TJ found a workaround of opening terminal, somehow changing rights to root, then opening the gnome-softweare thingy and hen it worked.
[22:09] <TJ-> Burny: In a terminal do: "strace -o /tmp/gnome-software.log -f gnome-software" and trigger the error in the GUI, then switch back to the terminal and do Ctrl+C to interrupt/kill the process
[22:10] <TJ-> usil: it could be, but I'd expect there to be something in the kernel log if it was the GPU.. a freeze with nothing in the log suggests the CPU hangs without warning
[22:10] <TJ-> Burny: ahhh, if you changed permissions that'll obviously affect the user account it runs as so it doesn't need to ask
[22:17] <TJ-> !info lubuntu-software-center
[22:19] <mattfly> im on ubuntu 16.04 LTs recently runned apt upgrade, on a dell laptop, hibernation used to work fine but it doesnt anymore
[22:20] <mattfly> kernel 4.13.0-36-generic
[22:20] <mattfly> sometimes it simply doesnt hibernate when i run either systemctl hibernate, pm-hibernate or hibernate giving me "freezing of tasks failes 20 taskst refusing to freezze...."
[22:21] <mattfly> and when it hibernates it doesnt recover not even if i wasit 10 minutes
[22:21] <mattfly> just get a black blank screen
[22:21] <Burny> TJ Should I look for something specific in the log file?
[22:21] <mattfly> also i have 5 gb of swap
[22:21] <mattfly> and 4 of ram
[22:21] <TJ-> Burny: if you can "pastebinit /tmp/gnome-software.log" I'll take a look
[22:21] <mattfly> and i always check if my whole usage of ram will fit inside my remaining swap and it does
[22:22] <kostkon> mattfly, seems to be widespread. bug #1743094
[22:22] <TJ-> mattfly: so the PC restarts and fails to load the hibernate image and boots, or tries to load the hibernate image and hangs
[22:22] <mattfly> so what you suggest me to hibernate this system? I want to hibernate because i have to switch to windows sometimes and dont want to loose all my workspace things and aplications, would be nice to have a snapshot of the system
[22:22] <axis> my PAM config uses a pam_listfile group check in /etc/pam.d/common-account to allow only member of certain ldap groups to login. when i install libnss-ldap, this is effective. when i install libnss-ldapd, it isn't. why?
[22:22] <kostkon> mattfly, basically same kernel.
[22:23] <mattfly> I think it tries to hibernate and hangs but sometimes not even hibernation work, theres something really messy TJ
[22:24] <mattfly> and kostkon, any way to fix or have a recoverable snapshot of my running system that i can recover in other way/
[22:24] <mattfly> ?
[22:24] <TJ-> mattfly: Looks like from that bug report it's caused by the various changes for the Meltdown/Spectre kernel patches, which are still evolving - they've caused a lot of regressions
[22:25] <kostkon> mattfly, none i know of but you could use suspend in its place, at least temporarily, it shouldn't eat much %/h of battery
[22:26] <mattfly> i cant use another system while it is suspended
[22:26] <mattfly> but it used to work when hibernating
[22:26] <kostkon> mattfly, kvm?
[22:26] <mattfly> what?
[22:26] <mattfly> its a normal dual boot on a laptop
[22:26] <kostkon> mattfly, nothing
[22:26] <kostkon> mattfly, oh ok
[22:27] <mattfly> not a virtual machine
[22:27] <TJ-> mattfly: you could try disabline the spectre fixes at boot-time
[22:27] <mattfly> i work on linux and have many things running then i want to use windows for a while for some application and have to open all and rearrange all work back when i back to linux
[22:27] <mattfly> i think i should not
[22:27] <TJ-> mattfly: on the kernel command line either or both of "nospectre_v2" and "nopti"
[22:28] <mattfly> is there another way to snapshot a running ubuntu?
[22:35] <MSam> hello
[22:36] <MSam> ?
[22:37] <MSam> hello
[22:37] <sneakyimp> I don't know if it's ok to ask this here, but I have a question regarding installation of a new SSL cert on Ubuntu
[22:38] <Frjd> Hi, how can I change permissions on my /sys/class/backlight/.../brightness file at boot time? I want to add write permission so that I can change the brightness from the command line
[22:38] <Frjd> chmod works great when booted, but I want to automate the process
[22:39] <clarence_> hi everyone
[22:39] <nacc> Frjd: well, that's a kernel virtual file, so you can't
[22:39] <sneakyimp> Can anyone see my messages?
[22:39] <nacc> Frjd: without adding it to your init scripts, basically
[22:39] <nacc> sneakyimp: yes
[22:39] <sneakyimp> nacc: thx
[22:40] <sneakyimp> Is it OK to ask questions about installing HTTPS certs on Ubuntu 14 in this chat?
[22:40] <Frjd> nacc, if I add it to root .profile will it run when I log in?
[22:40] <MSam> Yes, I can see your msg.
[22:41] <sneakyimp> I have installed a cert and it seems a-ok in my browser when i check, but the symantec checker ( https://cryptoreport.websecurity.symantec.com/checker/ ) I get an error: "Root installed on the server.For best practices, remove the self-signed root from the server."
[22:41] <sneakyimp> what on earth does this mean?
[22:41] <sneakyimp> i've been googling to no avail
[22:42] <sneakyimp> is the problem with my SSLCertificateChainFile ?
[22:42] <Frjd> sneakyimp, maybe it wants you to remove the root user?
[22:42] <nacc> Frjd: yes, when you login, but you need to be root to modify the permissions on that directory
[22:43] <sneakyimp> Frjd: I do have root access...surely you are joking about removing the root user?
[22:43] <MSam> leave
[22:44] <sneakyimp> to clarify: I installed the cert and private key on the server (I have root access) and it seems just fine, but the symantec certificate checker complains
[22:44] <jayjo> I'd like to use systemd to manage  a program written in python, can it also restart the software at some pre-defined time?
[22:46] <jayjo> I see an example that seems to kill the process - is there a possibility of asking it to shutdown gracefully?
[22:50] <jayjo> speacking of WatchdogSec= ... but will that force a shutdown or wait for my program to end as if it received a CTRL+C
[22:58] <Burny> TJ sorry had a phone call and now need to run... wasn't sure what you ment by your pastebinit command. but i'll take a look more at the link you gave meand see if i see anything in that log file.
[23:00] <sneakyimp> can anyone help with ssl cert install problem?
[23:05] <pcdummy> sneakyimp: ofc
[23:06] <sneakyimp> pcdummy: thx. i've asked a few times
[23:07] <sneakyimp> pcdummy: I installed cert. Looks great when i access server in browser. symantec security checker complains "Root installed on the server.For best practices, remove the self-signed root from the server."
[23:23] <keit_mulford> buenas tardes
[23:24] <keit_mulford> hay alguien de habla hispana
[23:38] <stevr1it> hello need help with ubuntu 17.10 everything is correct except that the screen goes on standy by every 20 second even if i am whatching a movie and the energy choise is on never  staby
[23:53] <z01d> Hi, is anyone running gitlab using ubuntu and apache2 proxy?
[23:54] <TML> I have a bunch of old family videos I'd like to convert using handbrake on Ubuntu, but it seems that OOTB it cannot support Windows Media Audio (movies were made in the old "Windows Movie Maker" product) - anyone know a trick to get those codecs working on Ubuntu?
[23:58] <Kumool> ya just need ffmpeg TML
[23:58] <Kumool> ya just need ffmpeg
[23:59] <TML> Kumool: ffmpeg also failed, in a different way
[23:59] <Kumool> vlc?
[23:59] <TML> vlc will play the files just fine