/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/03/15/#ubports.txt

ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @Pathum Egodawatta, we... agree with you.00:13
ubptgbot<JoshuaAshton> Is there a nexus 5x group or anything?00:45
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ubptgbot<JoshuaAshton> Ban ^00:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> @wayneoutthere @UniversalSuperBox00:51
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @JoshuaAshton, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/404#issuecomment-36999363200:53
ubptgbot<JoshuaAshton> *sigh*01:02
ubptgbot<JoshuaAshton> Good effort tho01:02
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Eight hours on Monday.01:02
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> ._.01:02
ubptgbot<JoshuaAshton> Shame I don't have the time to contrib01:03
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> @JoshuaAshton, I work 60+ hours a week and I've been working on a port01:40
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> Only takes a few mins here and there, eventually it adds up to a contribution01:41
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ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @Tygerpro Tygerpro, This is truth04:24
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @JoshuaAshton, Not... Yet. Although funny timing since I was discussing this idea.... Device specific groups... Seems growing interest in this04:26
ubptgbot<Tygerpro Tygerpro> @wayneoutthere, Case in point, only took a minute to think of this, and it contributes to a potential thing05:01
ubptgbottryexceptpass was added by: tryexceptpass05:11
ubptgbot<jonny> @wayneoutthere, There is a fp2 group already05:19
ubptgbotMrMeowish was added by: MrMeowish05:31
ubptgbot<Javacookies> anyone else having trouble with Telegram in the latest update?mine seems to stop connecting everyday...every morning it seems :) … I need to clear config data for it to work again05:35
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ubptgbot<Tomas> I'm curious why telegram was chosen in the first place, in stead of something more flexible, like slack of discord07:26
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> @Tomas, I disagree with either Slack or Discord being more flexible07:27
ubptgbot<tsimonq2> Much bloat, very wow07:27
ubptgbot<jonny> @Tomas, Telegram is being used by millions of people and for those who did not net, it is easy to get used to for everyone who has been used to Whatsapp.07:46
ubptgbot<Flohack> @jonny, Also, Canonical clearly wanted to position Ubuntu Touch for the masses. You need to convince other people already to install Telegram along WhatsApp on their phones, so better take something that has a wide audience already. Any "nerd" tools wont help spreading ubuntu Touch into Millions of users ;)07:52
ubptgbot<Flohack> They did not want to make an OS for tech savy users only07:53
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ubptgbot<milkor73> @tryexceptpass, Hi neo and @MrMeowish , Welcome, pls check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started08:34
ubptgbot<tryexceptpass> @milkor73, Thank you, I just installed Ubuntu touch on my old Nexus 7. thought I might as well join the group again.πŸ˜…08:36
ubptgbot<Mark> @tryexceptpass, I'm interested... Did you come across any problems flashing to a Nexus 7?  It's not one of UBPorts' official devices, is it?08:38
ubptgbot<tryexceptpass> I used this tool: … https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool … Installed peacefully. didn't have any issues. … But after intallation my apt update was failing, so used the below trick to update the sources.list … https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/375#issuecomment-35354962208:44
ubptgbot<Mark> And everything's working as expected?08:45
ubptgbot<tryexceptpass> @Mark, I don't know what to expect 😬 … Wi-Fi is working, App store is not showing any apps.  β€¦ did an adb shell and tried installing lamp-server and hit out of memory :P08:50
ubptgbot<tryexceptpass> @Mark, [Edit] I don't know what to expect 😬 … Wi-Fi is working, App store is not showing any apps, camera is working, … did an adb shell and tried installing lamp-server and hit out of memory :P08:50
ubptgbot<Mark> :) Thanks. You've given me hope! I'd been looking around for a Nexus 7 to flash, but was put off when I found out it wasn't an official device.08:53
ubptgbot<MrMeowish> @milkor73, πŸ˜πŸ‘08:57
ubptgbot<tryexceptpass> @Mark, You're welcome πŸ˜… … I've been using Lineage till now, got bored of it.08:58
ubptgbot<samitormanen> After todays xenial update, openstore now works, sound also works when screen off. Nexus 4.08:58
ubptgbot<samitormanen> Camera still not work.08:59
ubptgbotRiky was added by: Riky09:02
ubptgbot<Riky> Good morning_!09:03
ubptgbot<Riky> Is there any way to install ubuntu touch on a bq aquaris m5 phoe?09:03
ubptgbot<Riky> sorry...phone09:03
ubptgbot<Riky> or a moto e lte version (2nd gen)09:04
ubptgbot<libremax> @samitormanen, Is  it that issue https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/514 or an other https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+camera ?09:09
ubptgbot<samitormanen> Yes.09:10
ubptgbot<libremax> Feel free to add a comment to confirm...09:10
ubptgbot<libremax> Oh I see HendriXXX = Sami09:11
ubptgbot<samitormanen> Yes, its me. 😁09:12
ubptgbot<libremax> Nice car09:12
ubptgbot<samitormanen> Thanks!09:12
ubptgbot<advocatux> @Riky, These are the supported devices http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices … There's work in progress on different Moto models, but I don't think there's something on bq m509:28
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @tryexceptpass, apt update is not recommended. It messes up updating09:33
ubptgbot<tryexceptpass> @Stereofont, I had no idea.. what's the recommended way of installing packages?09:34
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Riky, Not the M5. There was a video of UT allegedly running on a Moto E but we know nothing about it09:37
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @tryexceptpass, Use OpenStore for native apps09:37
ubptgbot<YougoChats> spending time sending people with macs and windows pc's to ubuntu 16.04 live usb drives, and seeing other people do the same I had a random idea: … make a ubports live installer ISO. basically a stripped down ubuntu 16.04 that only runs the ubports installer?09:38
ubptgbot<Stereofont> You can have some success with Libertine for Ubuntu apps but quite technical and flaky09:39
ubptgbot<Stereofont> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/2j0fLtYX.webp09:39
ubptgbot<YougoChats> that's making me uncomfortable?09:40
ubptgbot<Stereofont> πŸ‘09:40
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Better09:40
ubptgbot<YougoChats> lol yes09:41
ubptgbot<YougoChats> ... since it's my idea i guess i now have to figure out how to strip 16.04 and spin an isoπŸ˜…09:43
ubptgbot<YougoChats> [Edit] that's making me uncomfortable? /edit this post lost its context. nvm09:44
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Not essential to reduce it. That could come later?09:44
ubptgbot<libremax> @YougoChats, It has the advantage that these users find themselves trying out Ubuntu to install UT. Not bad for Ubuntu as a whole.09:45
ubptgbot<Stereofont> The tools could be incorporated.  Maybe easier to add than remove?09:45
ubptgbot<YougoChats> or perhaps i'll start with the mini iso and go from there09:45
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Lubuntu09:45
ubptgbot<Stereofont> There is a Lubuntu group here apparently09:46
ubptgbot<YougoChats> something like that. it surely doesn't need all of unity or GNOME09:46
ubptgbot<YougoChats> basically the deb installer on top of x09:47
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Is there still a need for 32 bit support?09:47
ubptgbot<YougoChats> i don't think so. even most pc's that still came with 32bit windows already had x64 cpus09:48
ubptgbot<Stereofont> The option to full install would have to be disabled. Just in case …09:49
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @YougoChats, I think so. Ask a friend or finally accept that it is time to replace the old box …09:50
ubptgbot<Stereofont> USB 3.0 could be a difficulty09:51
ubptgbot<YougoChats> those who still have old x86 boxes rarely are the type to go and try UT i think09:51
ubptgbot<YougoChats> @Stereofont, do we need that?09:52
ubptgbot<Stereofont> A lot of new machines have 3.009:52
ubptgbot<milkor73> @YougoChats, I have 32 bit Toshiba09:52
ubptgbot<advocatux> @YougoChats, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD#Making_a_Customised_LiveCD09:52
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @milkor73, We mean those who only have 32 bit 😊09:53
ubptgbot<milkor73> Yes, yes. Meeeee09:54
ubptgbot<milkor73> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/cvbT9Nl2.webp09:54
ubptgbot<Stereofont> A nice enhancement would be to have a backup tool bundled09:54
ubptgbot<YougoChats> @advocatux, thanks bookmarked it09:54
ubptgbot<advocatux> πŸ‘09:55
ubptgbot<milkor73> My mashine: http://www.toshiba.es/discontinued-products/satellite-u400-11z/09:57
ubptgbot<milkor73> [Edit] My machine: http://www.toshiba.es/discontinued-products/satellite-u400-11z/09:58
ubptgbotVictor was added by: Victor09:58
ubptgbot<advocatux> @Victor, Hi Victor, take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started10:00
ubptgbot<Riky> ohh what a pity!10:00
ubptgbot<Riky> Thank you anyway! ;)10:00
ubptgbot<advocatux> πŸ€”10:01
ubptgbot<Mark> @milkor73, :) I still champion 32-bit too: we ought to keep machines running for as long as they possibly can. It minimizes e-waste for one thing. Saves money, and reduces clutter too.10:01
ubptgbot<Mark> (It also sends a message to devs to stop bloating OSs)10:03
ubptgbot<alan_griffiths> @YougoChats, Don't "strip down" - it is easier to start with the "server" image and add stuff.10:12
ubptgbot<milkor73> It works, until now, hope will keep, pretty well. Only the booting time is longer, but good to prepare my cup of coffee. πŸ˜‰10:12
ubptgbot<YougoChats> @Stereofont, true but does the installer need it? or can't usb3 function with usb2 drivers10:14
ubptgbot<DanChapman> @Stereofont, SOmeone should continue the efforts with "keeper" for that https://github.com/ubports/keeper it does backup restore10:17
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @YougoChats, Yea. They have backwards compatibility supposedly. Worth checking in practice though10:25
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @DanChapman, Backup is fundamental. Somehow we need to push it up the list of priorities10:27
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Backing up from Android is easy but is there any way to import a backup (or parts of it) into UT. vCards universal of course …10:29
ubptgbot<Stereofont> A 'Universal Installer' could then come in device-specific versions?10:31
ubptgbot<Stereofont> 'Live Installer for Nexus 5'10:32
ubptgbot<YougoChats> the installer itself is not device specific right now, is it10:33
ubptgbot<YougoChats> [Edit] the installer itself is not device specific right now, is it?10:33
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @YougoChats, No. That would make about 30 installers. But if it was Live we could afford 8 flavours?10:35
ubptgbot<YougoChats> i was thinking in the other direction actually. what if the installer is truely agnostic and greps a fresh list of devices from the server every time, and downloads the required install script along with the images after a device is selected/detected. that way when a new device is added, the installer will know without having to10:39
ubptgbotupdate the installer.10:39
ubptgbot<Stereofont> My thinking was to make it as simple as possible for noobs. Really, whatever achieves that10:40
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Even posting pre-loaded USBs I guess…10:41
ubptgbot<YougoChats> with all variables on a server, the live installer usb could sit in someones drawer for a year, and still support the latest devices?10:42
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Though adjusting BIOS is not exactly noob10:42
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @YougoChats, Yes that makes sense. Though what about installer upgrades?10:43
ubptgbot<Stereofont> A ppa?10:44
ubptgbot<YougoChats> hmm that would mean a persistent USB drive?10:44
ubptgbot<YougoChats> getting too complex i guess10:44
ubptgbot<Stereofont> The aim is to simplify, yes10:45
ubptgbot<YougoChats> make the live session fetch the latest snap upon boot.10:46
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @YougoChats, Exactly10:46
ubptgbot<Stereofont> So still a UBports ppa10:46
ubptgbot<YougoChats> yes, but nothnig we don't already have10:47
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Or Github10:47
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Sounding good10:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> Y'all thinking too hard about it11:25
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ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @Flohack, Yes. Solid point. Kind of like value of anbox 'not for us... For them'11:29
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @dohbee, Why do u say that? They are trying to improve installer experience which is first contact with Ubuntu touch β€” perhaps the do or die moment...11:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> @wayneoutthere, Because of the trifles being discussed. There's a tool to build custom ISOs already. Take stock desktop 16.04 ISO, add the installer, and start playing11:42
ubptgbot<dohbee> Can improve it later. It's not going to be perfect from the start, no matter what11:44
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> So just put ISO on server, download installer, point to ISO11:45
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> ?11:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> No11:45
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> Sorry download iso11:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> Make an isolated with the installer, and start testing it11:46
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> Did not know installer can make ISO11:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> Probably should add some udev rules to installer Deb too11:47
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> Thats funky11:47
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> Cool11:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> @wayneoutthere, It can't. There's a tool in Ubuntu to make custom flavor images11:48
ubptgbot<alan_griffiths> Once you have ISO I wonder what it costs for a branded, pre-loaded USB stick to be shipped workdwide.11:54
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> @wayneoutthere, Nono, you make a little image with, say, Openbox and nothing else whose only purpose is to run the installer. Ubuntu has a tool to make custom ISOs12:03
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> We don't12:03
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @dohbee, True. Worth thinking about Roadmap though 😎12:22
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @alan_griffiths, The usb part is pretty cheap.  the pre-loading part... that I've never explored.12:23
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> ^^has experience in this area12:24
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> gophigger12:25
ubptgbotshamith16 was added by: shamith1612:31
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Huh?12:35
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> +12:35
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Anyway, Shamith, check out … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome12:36
ubptgbot<Mark> @Stereofont, :D12:38
ubptgbot<advocatux> Good bot12:39
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @shamith16, Shamith, can I ask which main language you speak?12:39
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> πŸ˜‚12:40
ubptgbot<shamith16> @Stereofont, English πŸ˜†12:41
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> @shamith16, Mallu πŸ˜‘12:41
ubptgbot<shamith16> (Sticker, 512x128) https://irc.ubports.com/jd0F6Him.webp12:41
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @shamith16, No problem. I just asked because we have quite of lot of different language groups. Welcome to UBports. Is there anything we can help with?12:50
ubptgbotMihir465 was added by: Mihir46512:59
ubptgbot<Mihir465> @shamith16, Hi sur12:59
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Hello Mihir. For more about UBports check out … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome13:07
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @shamith16, hey.... where'd you get this?   I know one person who wouldn't move to UT becasue they didn't have emoticons that looked like this.  HA13:09
ubptgbot<PhoenixLandPirate> @wayneoutthere, Its a sticker13:11
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Since there are so many different languages used in India, we created an India group … https://t.me/UBports_India13:17
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> @Stereofont, Wew13:23
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Uchihaitachii, Wew?13:25
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> Actually wow13:25
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> πŸ˜‚13:25
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> I am from india13:25
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Cool πŸ˜‚13:25
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> Thats why wew13:25
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Yes. You said. Kerala13:25
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> Nope13:27
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> Not Kerala13:27
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> I am from Maharashtra13:27
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> @theshamith16 from ..13:27
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> [Edit] @shamith16 from ..13:27
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Uchihaitachii, I understand. Mallu13:27
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/B0F8hsYE.webp13:28
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> @Stereofont, U from ?13:28
ubptgbot<Stereofont> England. But I can use Urban Dictionary 😎13:28
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> πŸ‘13:28
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> Thugpro13:29
ubptgbot<dohbee> ugh13:29
ubptgbot<Gabriele> hey would be possible to run Wine on top o libertine and desktop app on 16.04 since in the current one (N5) this doesn't work. Thank you.14:42
ubptgbot<YougoChats> i dont think wine is for ARM architecture14:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> wine is only built for x8614:44
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Gabriele, it's a bug specific to N514:44
ubptgbot<dohbee> well on 16.04 might be more bugs, but 15.04 libertine doesn't work on N5, unfortunately14:45
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> There is a wine android port now, but it can only run exe files compiled for arm of course14:45
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> @JBBgameich, The same would probably be possible on Ubuntu Touch as well14:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> you can run unity8 on 16.04 on x86, and use wine inside libertine, and it should mostly work fine there14:46
ubptgbot<Gabriele> run wine with anbox would be possible indeed14:46
ubptgbot<Gabriele> but only exe compiled for arm that was missing :)14:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> run wine in anbox probably won't get you what you're asking about14:46
ubptgbot<YougoChats> hmm somehow i don't think running an exe on wine in anbox on UT is going to be a happy experience14:46
ubptgbot<JBBgameich> @Gabriele, I was talking about compiling wine for Ubuntu Touch armhf, not running the android version in anbox14:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> @YougoChats, yeah, you need qemu in there too14:47
ubptgbot<YougoChats> lol14:47
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @YougoChats, Like fishing with elastic14:50
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, the funny thing is it works well14:51
ubptgbot<dohbee> elastic.io14:51
ubptgbot<Gabriele> @dohbee, the cool thing would be to use, let's say, old pc games on the phone with a usb mouse, that was my thinking.14:52
ubptgbot<Stereofont> I meant fishing line πŸ˜ƒ14:52
ubptgbot<YougoChats> i was looking into running teamviewer in libertine a good while ago. teamviewer for linux is actually a wine session baked right into teamviewer, and it's x86. it would need QEMU to maybe be fooled into running, but the lowsy odds of that, and the state of desktop mode back then (and still now) made me drop the idea14:53
ubptgbot<YougoChats> UI wise teamviewer for android on anbox would be better maybe14:54
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Gabriele, Ones that have open source engines to run them on can probably be built to run on ARM, and then you just need some legal way to get the data onto the device14:59
ubptgbot<dohbee> @YougoChats, security wise, just not running teamviewer would probably be best :)14:59
ubptgbot<YougoChats> *srugs* my pr0n is safe15:01
ubptgbot<dohbee> gah, why am i getting all this spam from india now15:03
ubptgbot<YougoChats> you used teamviewr?15:09
ubptgbot<shamith16> @Uchihaitachii, Nu u lier15:16
ubptgbot<oleg sokolov> is it possible to run ubport on GPD Pocket?15:21
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> Not currently15:24
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> and it doesn't make sense. Running Unity 8 might make sense. But Ubuntu Touch is much more than Unity 815:25
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> it's an entire OS15:25
ubptgbot<devsigma_bot> @YougoChats, No more wine15:25
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> but even Unity 8 isn't ready enough to be a daily driver15:26
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> for such thing15:26
ubptgbot<DiogoConstantino> it's aceptable for the phones15:26
ubptgbot<devsigma_bot> Teamviewer 13 was rewrited, frontend in qt15:26
ubptgbot<YougoChats> afaik the backend is still an exe wrapped in wine15:27
ubptgbot<devsigma_bot> @YougoChats, Backend is not native?15:28
ubptgbot<ilyaishere> @YougoChats, No Wine now :)15:28
ubptgbot<devsigma_bot> Windows mouse and keyboard emulation won't work under wine15:29
ubptgbot<YougoChats> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/zDE6rnJN.mp415:29
ubptgbot<YougoChats> i have teamviewer installed in ubuntu, and it works fine. afaik wine and all15:30
ubptgbot<devsigma_bot> @YougoChats, What version?15:31
ubptgbot<YougoChats> have to check, i'm not home right now15:32
ubptgbot<YougoChats> hmm have downloaded and uncompressed the deb files of both 12 and 13, and indeed can't find wine stuff in 1315:44
ubptgbot<dohbee> teamviewer is still proprietary and they only provide x86 binaries afaik16:15
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @shamith16, Please Shamith. Be polite to other users16:17
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> @Stereofont, He is my friend sur16:19
ubptgbot<Stereofont> All the more reason to be polite to each other16:22
ubptgbotSaikol was added by: Saikol16:23
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Hello Saikol. If you would like to know more about UBports please check out … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome16:27
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> https://del.dog/atadobusaf.makefile17:00
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @cyanogenite, Hello, can anyone please help?17:00
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Sarvesh do not spam the group. Thanks. Please behave considerately to other users or be removed17:07
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @Stereofont, I spammed?17:29
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> How?17:29
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> I just asked for help17:30
ubptgbot<Stereofont> You pasted a link about a non UBports project?17:30
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @Stereofont, U are serious? It was UBports17:30
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> While porting17:31
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, what was in the pastebin?17:31
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Random links which have no explanation are generally a problem17:32
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> I am sad now17:32
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, it was a pastebin link, and telegram even had a "preview" explaining it was a pastebin17:32
ubptgbot<Stereofont> If you need assistance you are welcome to ask but please do not paste links whose purpose is not explained17:33
ubptgbot<dohbee> @cyanogenite, it's just that the pastebin you used is not widely known, and such types of pastebins are often used for spam elsewhere17:33
ubptgbot<dohbee> @Stereofont, Please restore the two comments from @cyanogenite with the link and request for help17:34
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @Stereofont, Sir, I explained I need help, I gave a paste link. Even telegram explained. … What else would I give in pastebin in ubports chat?17:34
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> πŸ˜”πŸ˜ž17:35
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> @dohbee, Oo17:35
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @Uchihaitachii, Forget17:35
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> Ikr17:35
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> From start17:35
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> πŸ˜†17:35
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Sarvesh: … https://del.dog/atadobusaf.makefile17:36
ubptgbot<Stereofont> This17:36
ubptgbot<Uchihaitachii> I read chat every day17:36
ubptgbot<dohbee> @cyanogenite you should probably ask for help in @halium channel as it looks like you're trying to build halium17:37
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @dohbee, Please see first line17:37
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @cyanogenite, I forgot to rename workingdirπŸ˜…17:38
ubptgbot<Stereofont> My apologies Sarvesh. If the content is not visible without clicking the link, that is already a problem. Just announce first that you are going to paste a log and explain why17:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> @cyanogenite, yes, but it's halium failing to build, which ubports-boot requires. there's also a separate ubports porting specific channel, but i don't recall the channel name (and i'm not in it)17:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> or group rather17:39
ubptgbot<dohbee> @cyanogenite, well, glad you resolved it then :)17:40
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @Stereofont, No problem sir, not your mistake17:40
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> @dohbee, Ohhh, ok17:40
ubptgbot<Stereofont> The UBports porting group is about porting UT, once the Halium build is complete. Building Halium itself is discussed in the Halium group. Good luck!17:42
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> Halium build is completed, … I was following this guide :- … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/17:43
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Not many here are involved with porting. If you waitva little, hopefully someone will arrive who is able to give you some help17:50
ubptgbot<Stereofont> [Edit] Not many here are involved with porting. If you wait a little, hopefully someone will arrive who is able to give you some help17:51
ubptgbot<cyanogenite> Sir, thanks a lot. … But I fixed it..... … Sorry to bother you guys.18:01
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @YougoChats, this is an awesome sentence.18:22
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @YougoChats, teamviewer... on UT... now that... that is something.18:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> @wayneoutthere, something the security and mir will probably prevent :)18:25
ubptgbot<Thomas Wolfanger> There is am armhf version of teamviewer (13) available for downlaod, but installing in libertine gives dependency errors with qt version (which is too old in vivid)18:37
ubptgbot<dohbee> would seem a bit poinltess to run it under xmir, where the only thing it could see would be itself, since it'd be its own x server18:40
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> it would be awesome to have a kind of VNC... but secure... kind of 'share my UT' so we can do tech support for our parents ;)19:09
ubptgbot<YougoChats> Well i’d ony use it for controlling other computers with my phone. Not controlling my phone remotely19:16
ubptgbot<YougoChats> @wayneoutthere, a while ago i had a RealVNC tarball running in libertine, and succesfully remote controlled a macbook with it19:18
ubptgbot<YougoChats> but then i had to flash my phone and lost all that19:19
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @YougoChats, also excellent use case19:19
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @YougoChats, yes... this kind of thing....19:20
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> nice19:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> well all your other computers should be running unity8 too19:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> converge! one of us!19:20
ubptgbot<YougoChats> it's not my mac19:20
ubptgbot<YougoChats> if it was, it wouldn't be a mac19:21
ubptgbot<YougoChats> proof πŸ˜ŽπŸ€“19:22
ubptgbot<YougoChats> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/vvzWPRBS.png19:22
ubptgbot<Flohack> @YougoChats, What.is.that.19:22
ubptgbot<YougoChats> Fwd from YougoChats: Running on vnc viewer for raspberry pi stand alone version19:23
ubptgbot<YougoChats> Fwd from YougoChats: (executable binary)  because the deb wouldn't install19:23
ubptgbot<YougoChats> Fwd from YougoChats: Rpi because ARM19:23
ubptgbot<nfsprodriver> Linux kicks mac in his ass!!!19:24
ubptgbot<YougoChats> it says "Files" up top becaus i made a script to launch the binary with the right flags and ran that from nautilus19:29
ubptgbot<YougoChats> [Edit] it says "Files" up top because i made a script to launch the binary with the right flags and ran that from nautilus19:29
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Is there any ability, whether with Webapp Creator or otherwise, to create bookmarks specifically within the web page(s) the app pertains to? If not, could this be implemented in future? E.g. Tv Tropes is a massive wiki and also has a forum, so would be very handy for that.19:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, not sure what you mean exactly. you can create separate webapps for sub-sections of web sites i guess.19:51
ubptgbot<dohbee> i don't think you can create bookmarks within webapp-container though (ie, that browser feature isn't exposed there)19:53
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Pretty clear I thought. You know that ring you can swipe up with options e.g. reload, forward, back, more stuff for the YouTube one such as Account etc.19:54
ubptgbot<dohbee> not really19:56
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Have one of those options be Bookmarks. Hit it, pull up a little window just like the one that shows when you go to bookmarks on the regular browser. But these bookmarks only pertain to URLs in the domain of the webapp I'm using. E.g. I navigate (not easy at present) to page 45 of the Canadian Politics thread on TV Tropes, boo19:57
ubptgbotkmark it, easy shortcut for the future.19:57
ubptgbot<dohbee> i guess you mean the alternate webapp container that ogra created, which embeds oxide directly and has the circle menu thing19:57
ubptgbot<dohbee> which i guess is what webapp creator is based on19:57
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Maybe so.19:57
ubptgbot<dohbee> i guess open an issue for "cannot save bookmarks inside webapps" or something?19:58
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Webapp Creator allows both alternate and original designated as "simple" types to be created.19:58
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> Yeah good idea. But before I do that, what I'm asking I guess is, this functionality should be not only feasible but a fairly easy tweak for those who maintain the webapp aspect of Ubuntu Touch, amirite?20:01
ubptgbot<dohbee> i don't think it's trivial no20:03
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> How so?20:03
ubptgbot<dohbee> because nothing about the browser code is trivial20:03
ubptgbot<dohbee> it might be easier to add it to the "simple" app that just uses the standard webapp-container, but still probably not trivial20:04
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> I see.20:07
ubptgbot<Fuseteam> oh my lionel is admin now grats20:38
ubptgbot<Stereofont> There are a few more. It is busier now and there are lots of timezones to cover20:44
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> So how far are we away from having snap support embedded into ubports update ?20:45
ubptgbot<dohbee> hopefully forever20:46
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> I say this from my ubuntuvta tablet having just upgraded telegram by hand.20:47
ubptgbot<dohbee> ubuntuvta tablet?20:48
ubptgbot<wayneoutthere> @YougoChats, COOL20:49
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Lazy typing.. and wobby tablet yeah.20:50
ubptgbot<dohbee> still not sure what you mean20:51
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> It is an M10 FHD20:51
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Just I thought snaps were going to be rollled out in V3.. bbut don't see it20:52
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @AlexiPistonrod, Telegram updates are available from OpenStore?20:52
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Yes20:53
ubptgbot<dohbee> almost certainly wouldn't be on anything less than 16.04, and not much point in supporting them there either20:53
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Just would be nice to flesh out what is missing in the store20:54
ubptgbot<dohbee> "snaps" isn't going to solve that though20:55
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> No? Why not?20:55
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Well how about Andbox when is that landing ?20:56
ubptgbot<dohbee> switching package formats doesn't magically mean all the apps you want will appear20:56
ubptgbot<dohbee> and it brings in a whole lot more problems20:56
ubptgbot<dohbee> anbox will land when it's ready to land20:57
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @AlexiPistonrod, Getting 16.04 settled and stable is absolute top priority. Other things will have to wait a while20:57
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Fairy nuff.. And how is 16.04 doing ?20:58
ubptgbot<dohbee> snapd is missing all kinds of features that would be necessary to replace clicks with, or even use it on a phone.20:58
ubptgbot<dohbee> 16.04 works ok, depending on device20:59
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @AlexiPistonrod, Very well it seems but a spanner in the works can never be ruled out. It is new territory20:59
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> Well as I only have one Ubutu device I suspect I am most interested in mine.. ;)20:59
ubptgbot<dohbee> well on the m10 at least you don't have to worry about phone calls or sms/mms working :)21:00
ubptgbot<dohbee> there are some issues still with other apps though, particularly things from the store that are compiled c++ things (or which use c++ things)21:01
ubptgbot<YougoChats> @TartanSpartan, There was an app that was basically a collection of bookmarks. Let’s see if it’s in the Open Store21:01
ubptgbot<dohbee> @YougoChats, he's asking for the browser's bookmarks feature to be exposed to webapps, so that one can create bookmarks directly within the webapp, for that specific site21:02
ubptgbot<AlexiPistonrod> True..21:02
ubptgbot<dohbee> i think libertine is also a bit off at the moment on 16.04 as well21:02
ubptgbot<YougoChats> Ah ok.21:03
ubptgbot<Stereofont> There will be a lot of questions about 16.04 progress at the next Q&A session no doubt21:04
ubptgbot<dohbee> there's a lot of questions about it every day, it seems21:05
ubptgbot<Stereofont> The Niemelungen are toiling in the mines as we speak21:07
ubptgbot<YougoChats> @YougoChats, It was this one, if anyone cares. It’s gone now anyways https://uappexplorer.com/app/mywebsites.mattirn21:09
ubptgbot<dohbee> open-store.io is the present21:13
ubptgbot<YougoChats> Yup21:13
opendataAny videos of ubports running on the back aquaris21:18
ubptgbot<Flohack> @opendata, back?21:18
ubptgbot<Stereofont> BQ?21:19
ubptgbot<YougoChats> BBQ?21:19
ubptgbot<Stereofont> πŸ˜ƒ21:19
ubptgbot<dohbee> lots of videos of ubuntu running on aquaris are out there, sure21:19
ubptgbot<dohbee> or well, on some models of aquaris, which are supported21:19
ubptgbot<dohbee> but not on those other models which are not21:20
opendataBq21:20
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Ronnie did one but that was three years ago or so21:20
opendataI can find Ubuntu touch21:20
opendataBut that's not 16.08/unity821:21
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Ah21:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> it's unity821:21
ubptgbot<dohbee> but not 16.04 perhaps21:21
opendataI mean the tablet21:22
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Probably not many of any device running 16.04 just yet21:22
ubptgbot<Stereofont> [Edit] Probably not many videos of any device running 16.04 just yet21:22
ubptgbot<Stereofont> You wanted to see how fluid it is?21:23
ubptgbot<dohbee> well i mean, it's not going to look especially different on the tablet from the PC, except you're less likely to use staged mode on a PC21:24
opendataMainly is it looks21:24
ubptgbot<dohbee> and the demo on the PC is probably a little better because it has more stuff installed from deb builds that were built with 16.04 and qt 5.921:25
ubptgbot<Stereofont> In terms of looks it will not be radically different. Not at first, anyway21:25
ubptgbot<dohbee> @opendata, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1x51w76Uw21:25
opendataThanks21:26
ubptgbot<dohbee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvVc0C8uxcU21:27
opendataLooks like it's more worth it to port to z2 phone then21:28
opendataNo offense but I can recreate the tablet UI with KDE pretty easily21:28
ubptgbot<NotKit> opendata, with mobile or desktop one?21:34
ubptgbot<dohbee> @opendata, depends on what you mean by "recreate" and "tablet UI" exactly21:38
ubptgbot<Stereofont> OpenStore works, since that video was made. Great video btw21:38
opendataThe video that dohbee linkrd21:39
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Yes that video21:40
ubptgbot<dohbee> i don't think that video used the "tablet UI"21:40
opendataOh21:41
ubptgbot<dohbee> yeah it doesn't do staged mode21:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> and the app drawer and indicators are certainly not trivial to do21:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> you can get something close, but it's not the same21:43
opendataKids has an appdrawer basically already21:43
opendataKda21:43
ubptgbot<dohbee> kde has a menu sort of thing that can be customized, but again, it's not the same21:46
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opendataYeah21:46
ubptgbot<dohbee> yeah, that's more like the GNOME one21:47
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> Is OpensStore currently down? I can't install any apps21:54
ubptgbot<Stereofont> I press install. Nothing happens. 15.04. FP221:58
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> @Stereofont, Here the same. 15.04 N521:58
ubptgbot<Stereofont> It indexes normally21:58
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> i press InstallButton, then progress bar works and next the InstallButton is still "install" and green22:00
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @Waldbursche, Same. Probably down for maintenance22:00
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> I hope so. πŸ˜‡22:01
ubptgbot<Stereofont> I pinged the group22:01
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> πŸ‘πŸ»22:02
brrmhi, I just installed ubuntu touch on a fp2 using the installer. installation seemed to be successful, however the phone does not boot. it is stuck in a endless reboot loop22:04
ubptgbot<Stereofont> @brrm, We had a couple of OPO like that before but not a FP2 that I can remember22:06
brrmI can boot into ubports recovery, but not the system22:06
ubptgbot<Stereofont> I suggest the Welcome &Install Room, in Telegram22:06
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> Try to boot the system from bootloader22:06
brrm"Reboot system now"?22:07
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> On N5 it works so22:07
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Sounds like you had partial success. Recovery installed but no system22:07
brrm"Reboot system now" does not work22:07
ubptgbot<Stereofont> What OS on your computer?22:08
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> Your install was complete? @ubports_bot22:08
brrmI had /data encrypted22:08
brrmcould this be an issue?22:08
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Yes22:08
brrmthe install ended showing Ubports Recovery22:08
ubptgbot<Stereofont> That caused endless loop on a OPO22:09
brrmhm, there was no warning about encrypted partitions22:09
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> @brrm, Install should end with boot the UT22:09
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Repeat without encrypted22:09
brrmrepeat?22:09
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/glmHhyDU.png22:09
ubptgbot<Stereofont> The tool does very few error messages. There isn't much diagnostic22:10
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> @TartanSpartan, that looks iike android22:10
brrmhow can I remove the encryption?22:11
ubptgbot<Stereofont> I only heard of the encrypted thing once22:11
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> does wipe doesnt eliminate encrypted /home?22:11
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Samuel fixed it. Not sure how he did it22:11
ubptgbot<malditobastardo> [Edit] wipe doesnt eliminate encrypted /home?22:11
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> That left hand Libertine top hat app. It doesn't function but I can't uninstall it so I want to make it invisible. I can't find it's desktop file though. Where is it? Seemingly not in .local/share/applications/22:11
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> @TartanSpartan, You should activate your wallpaper πŸ˜…22:11
ubptgbot<Stereofont> Sorry. Stephen, not Samuel … @trainailleur22:12
brrmthe suggestion is to wipe and then retry with the installer? and the installer will recognize the phone even if only uports recovery is active?22:13
ubptgbot<Stereofont> UBports recovery alone is enough for the installer, yes22:14
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, Probably a deb install then?22:20
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> I thought .debs aren't related to mobile apps, which are installed via .click files?22:25
brrmok, I just reinstalled twrp and its restoring my backup. I will retry ubuntu touch another day22:25
brrmone question: does ubuntu touch support encryption of the data partition?22:26
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, How did you install it?22:26
ubptgbot<dohbee> @brrm, Not yet, we're working on finding a way to actually do it securely22:27
brrmso there is no way to securely store a private ssh key on the device?22:27
brrmanother question: I read gps is not "fully" supported. what does that mean?22:28
brrmon fp2 I mean22:28
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> I thought via the standard shell->create LIbertine chroot -> build container blah blah blah. But @DanChapman and whoever else upgraded the framework and one of the things that did was create the Libertine Manager (the right hand top hat) which supplanted the older one but didn't remove it at least not for my M10.22:29
ubptgbot<TartanSpartan> *external shell, if that helps to clarify.22:31
ubptgbot<dohbee> @brrm, You can store it inside an ecryptfs maybe, but due to the way phones work, properly secure encryption is more of a challenge22:38
ubptgbot<Stereofont> GPS has to be kick-started with WiFi data but after that works normally22:38
ubptgbot<dohbee> @TartanSpartan, I have neither of those in my vm22:39
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> OpenStore is back22:44
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/e0BEj9Bf.webp22:45
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> Is anyone else having serious issues with video playback on the N5? I get a weird green and purple distortion when playing any video23:20
ubptgbot<dohbee> Everyone, yes23:20
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> @AmolithSeregion, Use "UTmedia" for playback23:21
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> @Waldbursche, That's what I've been doing23:21
ubptgbot<AmolithSeregion> @dohbee, Why?23:21
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> Driver problem?23:22
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> Yes, color space issues23:22
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> Let's fix it23:24
ubptgbot<Waldbursche> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/J05sw9j2.mp423:24
ubptgbot<UniversalSuperBox> https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/7#issuecomment-35220120523:25

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