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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:06
* tsimonq2 waves07:06
oSoMoNhey tsimonq207:06
seb128lut oSoMoN and good morning desktopers07:09
oSoMoNsalut seb128, pas réveillé trop tôt aujourd’hui?07:11
seb128oSoMoN, j'ai un rhume et je dormirais bien un peu plus mais sinon ça va07:15
dufluMorning oSoMoN, tsimonq2, seb12807:16
oSoMoNgood afternoon duflu07:18
didrocksgood morning07:30
oSoMoNsalut didrocks07:31
didrockssalut oSoMoN :)07:32
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jibelGood morning07:43
didrockssalut jibel07:49
sverdyTrevinho, seb128: FYI there is a regression in 18.04 on dell xps 13 2-in-1 where screen rotation doesn't work anymore. It works on 17.10. I don't own a dell XPS 2-in-1, just briefly had access to a sample, but I can't perform any test. by running monitor-sensor I saw that the driver part works (it detects and reports screen rotation). So the regression doesn't seem to be a driver regression... Is this a known bug? I couldn't find any relevant bug in07:51
sverdyLP...07:51
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dufluHi didrocks08:24
didrockshey duflu!08:28
seb128re08:50
seb128hey duflu, didrocks, jibel08:50
seb128sverdy, not known afaik no, I don't have access to any laptop with a rotation captor though08:50
seb128so can't try08:50
didrockssalut seb128!08:51
jibelsalut seb12808:56
sverdyseb128, ack. I will talk to Will to make sure we can get samples for the team.08:58
seb128sverdy, thx09:02
willcookemoin09:03
Laneyoh yeah MOIN!09:03
seb128hey willcooke, Laney, how is U.K today?09:08
didrockshey willcooke? Laney09:08
Laneyhey seb128 didrocks, how's it going?09:11
Laneypretty grey here09:11
Laneythe beast from the east is coming back, going to get cold again09:11
didrocksLaney: same here, starting to rain like crazy09:11
Trevinhosverdy: hey.. No, I can give a check later09:13
seb128good morning Trevinho!09:18
seb128tjaalton, hey, could you have a look to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105518 ?09:34
ubot5`Freedesktop bug 105518 in Server/General ""Xorg -background none" displays corruption briefly on startup" [Normal,New]09:34
seb128it's bug 175377609:34
ubot5`bug 1753776 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Graphics corruption (or distortion?) in login animation to Xorg sessions" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175377609:34
seb128the issue is there also in unity sessions, so not a GNOME regression09:35
jibelLaney, can you re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/intall-metrics/+merge/341229 ?09:35
tjaaltonthere should be a new mesa release soon09:35
jibeldidrocks addressed your comments09:35
seb128duflu, thanks for the poking on that one09:35
seb128tjaalton, that fixes that particular issue?09:35
tjaaltonseb128: but none of the proposed commits are public yet, just a note on the list that all blockers should be fixed09:35
tjaaltonno idea09:35
seb128k09:36
Laneyjibel: ok, I can give it approve, but was waiting for you to comment saying it works properly too09:37
dufluseb128, no problem. You might have missed my final comment though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/175377609:37
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1753776 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Graphics corruption (or distortion?) in login animation to Xorg sessions" [Medium,Confirmed]09:37
seb128duflu, yes, I did09:38
seb128duflu, I guess one could switch to lightdm to see if that makes it go away09:39
dufluseb128, yes it did. As does switching gdm3 to X11 mode. The corruption is triggered by gdm3 using Wayland. And Xorg copying that framebuffer (somehow, I don't know how it works)09:39
dufluAlthough if you disable Wayland in gdm3 you also disable Wayland sessions :P09:40
seb128duflu, did you try to downgrade mutter/gnome-shell to 3.26 and see if that fixes it?09:40
dufluseb128, I have tried many things but not that. The tangle of dependencies with Mesa 18 has made it impractical to test such things09:41
dufluYou have to downgrade the whole system, which is not useful because we know it used to work when everything was older09:41
seb128k09:43
seb128GNOME 3.26 can't work with new mesa?09:43
seb128or it's just that we would need a rebuild to pick the correct depends?09:43
tjaaltonduflu: I'll move the upstream bug to mesa/intel09:53
duflutjaalton, fair enough. More likely to get progress I guess09:53
tjaaltonso far everyone has been on intel09:54
dufluseb128, yeah that libegl1 problem means everything we rebuilt recently can't work with Mesa 1709:54
* Nafallo goes to read the bug09:54
Nafallosalut o/09:54
dufluo/09:55
dufluseb128, you have to downgrade everything at once. But that's not useful because we already know the bug won't occur if you do that. Can't split it up any more09:55
tjaaltonlibegl1 is from libglvnd, there should be no hard deps on the new mesa other than libglvnd itself which was only to make sure the transition from alternatives would go smoothly (ha)09:55
NafalloI'll confirm that bug on Intel® UHD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2), duflu :-)09:56
NafalloDell XPS 937009:56
duflutjaalton, well if you can do it then great.09:56
tjaaltonI'll try to repro first.. so far no luck09:57
dufluXorg is pretty stagnant compared to Mesa 18 so I would expect Mesa 18 to be the problem. What is possible and I haven't tried yet is bisecting Mesa 18 (if I can keep Mutter working with older versions of it)09:58
dufluActually Xorg only got deep colour support in late Feb. Might be interesting to bisect around that09:59
tjaaltonwe don't have that09:59
tjaaltonit's only in git master/1.20rc09:59
duflutjaalton, you're right. I was about to correct myself10:00
dufluseb128, that's a good place and time to hand over10:02
dufluNight10:03
oSoMoNjibel, may I have your opinion on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/ubuntu-bug-for-snaps/4445/4 ?10:05
Nafallotjaalton: updated the bug with lspci you asked for. hopefully the PCI database is up to date :-)10:08
jibeloSoMoN, yet another bug reporting tool, why not just simply extend apport?10:10
oSoMoNjibel, it's just a quick experiment, I don't mean this to become official in any way10:12
oSoMoNand it's actually doing pretty much what apport does, but much simplified10:12
jibeloSoMoN, I get it but why not propose to extend apport?10:13
jibeloSoMoN, that would definitely be useful IMHO10:13
oSoMoNextending apport sounds like an idea, but then users on other distros not shipping apport wouldn't be able to report bugs?10:13
oSoMoN(which I why I initially suggested to have that integrated in snapd)10:14
jibeloSoMoN, then package apport as a snap.10:15
seb128stepping out for some errands and early lunch, bbiab10:15
jibeloSoMoN, and it'll be available on other distros10:15
tjaaltonNafallo: ok, doubt it matters anymore but thanks10:15
tjaaltonlooks like it's easy to hang bionic by switching through vt's10:16
tjaaltonnice10:16
oSoMoNjibel, I hadn't thought of that, sounds like a good idea10:18
oSoMoNjibel, would you mind commenting on the thread, for posterity10:19
jibeloSoMoN, will do10:20
tjaaltonha, was finally able to repro the bug after a forced reboot10:20
oSoMoNthanks10:22
Trevinhoseb128: hey, morning10:28
willcookeSaviq, any stong feelings on removing unity-session-broadcast from the archive?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter-session-broadcast/+bug/174714610:36
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1747146 in unity-greeter-session-broadcast (Ubuntu) "RM: obsolete product" [Undecided,Triaged]10:36
Saviqwillcooke: yes, do10:39
willcookeSaviq, thanks10:48
jbichagood morning10:53
Nafallomorning jbicha10:53
jbichawe also had a timezone change so that adds to me waking up earlier compared to y'all10:54
jbichathere's a proposal for Florida to stay on this timezone year round (permanent US Eastern Daylight Saving Time)10:55
Laneythis period is a confusing one when it come to scheduling meetings10:55
Laneyroll on march 2510:55
jbichayeah, FL is about to make it one more step confusing…10:56
Laney/o\10:56
jbichawillcooke: see also LP: #1755585 , cc xnox10:56
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1755585 in unity-greeter-session-broadcast (Ubuntu) "Please remove indicator-network & unity-greeter-session-broadcast" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175558510:56
Laneymostly solved by making calendar events which are attached to a timezone (or UTC)10:56
* didrocks likes DST-time, more sun in the evening :)10:57
Laneyyeahhhh10:57
Laneyhttps://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/nottingham10:57
jbichaoh, it looks like mine was the duplicate so I dropped the u-g-s-b task from my bug10:57
Laneythis is quite a pleasing time10:58
willcookejbicha, is that indicator-network the U8 one then?10:58
Laneywtf, almost at the equinox already10:58
Laneyyes10:58
willcookeI assume it is10:58
willcookeLaney, was that yes to me?10:59
Laneyoui10:59
willcookemerci10:59
Laneyunity has nm-applet11:00
didrocksbonne réponse11:00
willcookeSaviq, you ok to drop u8 indicator-network too?11:00
Saviqwillcooke: yeah11:06
Nafallohrm. I need to report that bug as well...11:11
Nafallothere's something weird with the buttons in my VPN connection :-)11:12
Nafallohmm. window size issue I think.11:14
jbichaLaney: do we need a FFe bug for packagekit? the gnome-software 3.28 NEWS says it's recommended to use the new PK version11:15
jbichaand the new appstream-glib in Debian fixes a FTBFS bug11:16
Laneydunno, what are the changes?11:18
Laneyhttps://github.com/hughsie/PackageKit/blob/master/NEWS11:23
Laneysounds OK11:23
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jbichahttps://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/blob/master/NEWS11:29
Laneyalso good I think, not really worried about API additions11:31
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jbichaseb128: we want these patches for 18.04 right? LP: #168608112:22
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1686081 in mutter (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168608112:22
Laneywe're still supporting synaptics?12:24
jbichaandyrock: could you report LP: #1754651 upstream, even if you don't have a patch ready?12:24
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1754651 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center windows remains open after using the launch-panel/online-accounts/add "API"" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175465112:24
Laneywho wants to vouch for me for gnome foundation membership?12:24
kenvandineLaney, i'd be happy to12:25
Laney:D12:26
LaneyI just read the word "glib"12:26
Laneylike the normal english word12:26
Laney...12:26
Laneyas something else12:26
didrocksLaney: can do as well :)12:26
Laneythx!12:27
andyrockjbicha: kk12:27
Laneydidrocks: kenvandine: do you have gnome.org email?12:27
didrocksLaney: didrocks@ ;)12:28
Laneythe thing says I'm going to have to have iainl :(12:29
Laneybecause that's the git account name12:29
didrocksyeah, need to match the git account name per policy, maybe you can ask andrea to get something else if you prefer?12:29
didrockslike I don't have FirstLast name for instance12:29
Laneyit says NO NICKNAMES in bold :P12:31
Laneydidrocks is a special guy12:31
didrocksit's so close to my name that it's almost not a nickname :p12:32
Laneydone12:35
Laneyexpect mail!12:35
kenvandineLaney, yes, kvandine@gnome.org12:35
Laney💋12:36
Laneythat looks hideous in the terminal12:36
oSoMoNkenvandine, I've started work on https://trello.com/c/1R0lryqL/183-gnome-328-platform-snap , addressing build failures as they go12:40
oSoMoNthe version of meson in 16.04 is old, we might want to add a meson part, wdyt12:40
oSoMoN?12:40
oSoMoNnevermind, we definitely want a newer meson, json-glib requires 0.40.112:42
jbichaoSoMoN: that card says "built from bionic" ??12:45
kenvandineoSoMoN, yes, we shoul12:45
kenvandinejbicha, yeah, but snapcraft isn't quite ready for us to build for 18.04 yet12:45
jbichaok12:46
kenvandineso we're getting started on 16.04, just getting all the parts needed to build12:46
oSoMoNbuilding on bionic with up-to-date dependencies would be easier indeed12:47
jbichayeah, lots of GNOME 3.28 requires like 0.43 (I see one that wants 0.44)12:47
dokojbicha: you can drop the meson ubuntu diff for the next upload12:50
jbichadoko: does that mean you'll close Debian bug 892422 as obsolete?12:51
ubot5`Debian bug 892422 in src:meson "meson: autopkgtest fails on architectures where libasan is not available" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/89242212:51
dokojbicha: all ubuntu archs now have the sanitizer enabled12:52
jbichaplease :)12:52
jbichadoko: speaking of Debian, could you push your QA upload to https://anonscm.debian.org/git/collab-maint/abiword.git12:53
andyrockdoes launchpad support git issue links?12:53
jbichaandyrock: it supports GitHub but not GitLab yet LP: #174521012:54
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1745210 in Launchpad itself "Support GNOME GitLab Issues as external bugtracker" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174521012:54
andyrockjbicha: thanks12:54
andyrockhttps://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/1612:54
jbichapresumably we can close this bug and reject the patches now that we don't support ecryptfs for new installs? LP: #169921613:07
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1699216 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Encrypted home support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169921613:07
seb128jbicha, I was waiting for an official statement to be written to close those so we have proper/official rational13:10
seb128which security team has been due to be sending out for some time13:10
jbichaI believe System76 is pivoting to full-disk encryption so we might be able to close it without an official statement?13:11
seb128does it hurt to wait a bit that the official statement goes out?13:12
jbichano :)13:12
seb128k, so please let's do that13:12
seb128so we sure we don't look like we are not respecting people we work with and just close their bugs without proper justification13:13
seb128or we could write the justification, but it's easier to wait for the official statement and point to that13:13
jbichait's a kind of disrespect for patches to be unreviewed for months, but I gave jackpot51 a heads up months ago that Ubuntu at least was dropping the encrypted option from our default installer13:15
seb128yes, we should have reviewed those patches for a long time, not discussing that13:15
seb128anyway, I'm not interested to argue over that13:16
seb128so do whatever you want and close the bug if you prfer13:16
seb128as said I was planning to do once we have a statement out13:17
seb128but if for some reason you need to close *now* do it and let's move to some other topic13:17
jbichalet's argue about something else? ;)13:18
seb128sure, bring it on :)13:18
jbichano, I'm fine with waiting a bit longer, I just was responding :)13:18
seb128:p13:18
seb128the system76 could do a better job of being engaged with us though13:19
seb128but it's orthogonal to the specific topic and that mp not being reviewed13:19
seb128but if they had one person hanging out on our channel, talking about bugs, sending some patches we would know that person enough and could directly talk topics like that one13:19
jbichaseb128: did you see my question about whether we want duflu's synaptics patches for 18.04?13:20
seb128jbicha, oh sorry, I read it but with some other things in the backlog ... I didn't code review the change yet, but in principle I think we do yes13:20
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seb128jbicha, do you have any opinion on it?13:23
seb128it's likely that some users will have synaptic still installed since unity still needs it/we didn't remove it from the archive13:23
seb128so I think handling those cases better is an improvement13:23
jbichaI'm not opposed to making it easier for upgrades for now. Debian might want it too especially as it doesn't look like it has UI changes13:24
jbicha(translations are a pain for Debian for some of our patches)13:25
seb128right13:26
seb128let's see what mbiebl replies :)13:26
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tsimonq2Someone here might have a better idea about bug 1754852 than I.14:22
ubot5`bug 1754852 in steam (Ubuntu) "Steam Installer cannot be found using GNOME Software anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175485214:22
jibeldidrocks, merged14:23
seb128tsimonq2, Laney, ximion, or robert_ancell are probably the persons who can help you with such issues14:24
didrocks\o/ thanks jibel14:24
seb128didrocks, jibel, well done!14:24
didrocksthx ;)14:25
seb128GunnarHj, hey, do you think you could make a pull request for your snapd/polkit translation fix to snap 2.32 serie? since that's what bionic is going to have14:54
Laneytsimonq2: The icon needs to be in the same package as the appdata.15:13
oSoMoNkenvandine, re- "Once the 0.40 branch exists, we should track the branch rather than the tag", any particular reason for not using the release tarball instead?15:16
kenvandineoSoMoN, because i'd like to track the branch, so rebuilds pick up fixes that have been pushed to supported branches15:17
kenvandinethey tagged 0.40 but not created a branch for that series yet15:17
tsimonq2Laney: ack15:18
kenvandinebut if they push fixes that will end up in say 0.40.1, we can just pick that up in a rebuild without editing the yaml15:18
kenvandineonce they have a branch for the 0.40 series :)15:18
kenvandineoSoMoN, make sense?15:18
oSoMoNkenvandine, yep, thanks for explaining15:22
jbichaseb128: um, I wasn't able to duplicate LP: #1686081 on my bionic install here, I'll ask duflu about it later15:29
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1686081 in mutter (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/168608115:29
seb128jbicha, in which sense?15:33
jbichaI installed synaptics and still had mouse & touchpad settings. I even uninstall xserver-xorg-input-libinput and rebooted and they're still there and seem to work15:34
seb128weird15:35
mgedminxorg or wayland session?15:39
jbichaI'm on Wayland15:40
mgedminafaiu wayland always uses libinput, so the presence of the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics can't really change anything15:41
mgedminafaiu that bug's about the fact that xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installs an xorg.conf snippet that makes Xorg prefer the synaptics driver over libinput in xorg sessions15:42
mgedmin(and the synaptics driver has its own set of configurable xinput knobs that gnome-control-center no longer supports)15:43
seb128jbicha, ah, that's specific to x1115:43
seb128mgedmin, good point!15:43
jbichamgedmin: thanks, I can see the bug now15:45
jbichaback when I reported that back, we defaulted to X so I guess that helps explain why we didn't get many complaints in 17.10 for it15:46
seb128right15:46
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GunnarHjseb128: Yes, I can make a 2.32 PR with the snapd/polkit translation fix if necessary. Thought that master was sufficient...17:40
LaneyGunnarHj: Looking at the language stuff now17:40
GunnarHjLaney: Great! :)17:42
flocculantwillcooke_: did you think about that pulseaudio timeout this morning?17:59
willcooke_flocculant, spoke to jibel about it, he's going to have a look.  We're just debugging some live session slow start ups and then we'll take a look18:00
flocculantwillcooke_: ack - well that issue doesn't help :p not so much if I boot you - but our boot is 0_0 ;)18:01
Laneynighty night18:16
* willcooke_ -> haircut. Night all18:30
seb128GunnarHj, thanks and no master is not enough for 2.3218:34
seb128night Laney18:34

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