[05:51] <wadfnrkr> THIS IS A FREENODE BREAKING NEWS ALERT!! Hitechcg AND opal ARE GOING AT IT RIGHT NOW WITH A LOT OF FIGHTING AND ARGUING WOW YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS!! TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION...AGAIN TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION!!
[05:51] <wadfnrkr> THIS IS A FREENODE BREAKING NEWS ALERT!! Hitechcg AND opal ARE GOING AT IT RIGHT NOW WITH A LOT OF FIGHTING AND ARGUING WOW YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS!! TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION...AGAIN TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION!!
[07:06] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:06]  * tsimonq2 waves
[07:06] <oSoMoN> hey tsimonq2
[07:09] <seb128> lut oSoMoN and good morning desktopers
[07:11] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, pas réveillé trop tôt aujourd’hui?
[07:15] <seb128> oSoMoN, j'ai un rhume et je dormirais bien un peu plus mais sinon ça va
[07:16] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, tsimonq2, seb128
[07:18] <oSoMoN> good afternoon duflu
[07:30] <didrocks> good morning
[07:31] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:32] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN :)
[07:43] <jibel> Good morning
[07:49] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:51] <sverdy> Trevinho, seb128: FYI there is a regression in 18.04 on dell xps 13 2-in-1 where screen rotation doesn't work anymore. It works on 17.10. I don't own a dell XPS 2-in-1, just briefly had access to a sample, but I can't perform any test. by running monitor-sensor I saw that the driver part works (it detects and reports screen rotation). So the regression doesn't seem to be a driver regression... Is this a known bug? I couldn't find any relevant bug in
[07:51] <sverdy> LP...
[08:24] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[08:28] <didrocks> hey duflu!
[08:50] <seb128> re
[08:50] <seb128> hey duflu, didrocks, jibel
[08:50] <seb128> sverdy, not known afaik no, I don't have access to any laptop with a rotation captor though
[08:50] <seb128> so can't try
[08:51] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[08:56] <jibel> salut seb128
[08:58] <sverdy> seb128, ack. I will talk to Will to make sure we can get samples for the team.
[09:02] <seb128> sverdy, thx
[09:03] <willcooke> moin
[09:03] <Laney> oh yeah MOIN!
[09:08] <seb128> hey willcooke, Laney, how is U.K today?
[09:08] <didrocks> hey willcooke? Laney
[09:11] <Laney> hey seb128 didrocks, how's it going?
[09:11] <Laney> pretty grey here
[09:11] <Laney> the beast from the east is coming back, going to get cold again
[09:11] <didrocks> Laney: same here, starting to rain like crazy
[09:13] <Trevinho> sverdy: hey.. No, I can give a check later
[09:18] <seb128> good morning Trevinho!
[09:34] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, could you have a look to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105518 ?
[09:34] <ubot5`> Freedesktop bug 105518 in Server/General ""Xorg -background none" displays corruption briefly on startup" [Normal,New]
[09:34] <seb128> it's bug 1753776
[09:34] <ubot5`> bug 1753776 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Graphics corruption (or distortion?) in login animation to Xorg sessions" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753776
[09:35] <seb128> the issue is there also in unity sessions, so not a GNOME regression
[09:35] <jibel> Laney, can you re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/intall-metrics/+merge/341229 ?
[09:35] <tjaalton> there should be a new mesa release soon
[09:35] <jibel> didrocks addressed your comments
[09:35] <seb128> duflu, thanks for the poking on that one
[09:35] <seb128> tjaalton, that fixes that particular issue?
[09:35] <tjaalton> seb128: but none of the proposed commits are public yet, just a note on the list that all blockers should be fixed
[09:35] <tjaalton> no idea
[09:36] <seb128> k
[09:37] <Laney> jibel: ok, I can give it approve, but was waiting for you to comment saying it works properly too
[09:37] <duflu> seb128, no problem. You might have missed my final comment though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/1753776
[09:37] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1753776 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Graphics corruption (or distortion?) in login animation to Xorg sessions" [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:38] <seb128> duflu, yes, I did
[09:39] <seb128> duflu, I guess one could switch to lightdm to see if that makes it go away
[09:39] <duflu> seb128, yes it did. As does switching gdm3 to X11 mode. The corruption is triggered by gdm3 using Wayland. And Xorg copying that framebuffer (somehow, I don't know how it works)
[09:40] <duflu> Although if you disable Wayland in gdm3 you also disable Wayland sessions :P
[09:40] <seb128> duflu, did you try to downgrade mutter/gnome-shell to 3.26 and see if that fixes it?
[09:41] <duflu> seb128, I have tried many things but not that. The tangle of dependencies with Mesa 18 has made it impractical to test such things
[09:41] <duflu> You have to downgrade the whole system, which is not useful because we know it used to work when everything was older
[09:43] <seb128> k
[09:43] <seb128> GNOME 3.26 can't work with new mesa?
[09:43] <seb128> or it's just that we would need a rebuild to pick the correct depends?
[09:53] <tjaalton> duflu: I'll move the upstream bug to mesa/intel
[09:53] <duflu> tjaalton, fair enough. More likely to get progress I guess
[09:54] <tjaalton> so far everyone has been on intel
[09:54] <duflu> seb128, yeah that libegl1 problem means everything we rebuilt recently can't work with Mesa 17
[09:54]  * Nafallo goes to read the bug
[09:54] <Nafallo> salut o/
[09:55] <duflu> o/
[09:55] <duflu> seb128, you have to downgrade everything at once. But that's not useful because we already know the bug won't occur if you do that. Can't split it up any more
[09:55] <tjaalton> libegl1 is from libglvnd, there should be no hard deps on the new mesa other than libglvnd itself which was only to make sure the transition from alternatives would go smoothly (ha)
[09:56] <Nafallo> I'll confirm that bug on Intel® UHD Graphics 620 (Kabylake GT2), duflu :-)
[09:56] <Nafallo> Dell XPS 9370
[09:56] <duflu> tjaalton, well if you can do it then great.
[09:57] <tjaalton> I'll try to repro first.. so far no luck
[09:58] <duflu> Xorg is pretty stagnant compared to Mesa 18 so I would expect Mesa 18 to be the problem. What is possible and I haven't tried yet is bisecting Mesa 18 (if I can keep Mutter working with older versions of it)
[09:59] <duflu> Actually Xorg only got deep colour support in late Feb. Might be interesting to bisect around that
[09:59] <tjaalton> we don't have that
[09:59] <tjaalton> it's only in git master/1.20rc
[10:00] <duflu> tjaalton, you're right. I was about to correct myself
[10:02] <duflu> seb128, that's a good place and time to hand over
[10:03] <duflu> Night
[10:05] <oSoMoN> jibel, may I have your opinion on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/ubuntu-bug-for-snaps/4445/4 ?
[10:08] <Nafallo> tjaalton: updated the bug with lspci you asked for. hopefully the PCI database is up to date :-)
[10:10] <jibel> oSoMoN, yet another bug reporting tool, why not just simply extend apport?
[10:12] <oSoMoN> jibel, it's just a quick experiment, I don't mean this to become official in any way
[10:12] <oSoMoN> and it's actually doing pretty much what apport does, but much simplified
[10:13] <jibel> oSoMoN, I get it but why not propose to extend apport?
[10:13] <jibel> oSoMoN, that would definitely be useful IMHO
[10:13] <oSoMoN> extending apport sounds like an idea, but then users on other distros not shipping apport wouldn't be able to report bugs?
[10:14] <oSoMoN> (which I why I initially suggested to have that integrated in snapd)
[10:15] <jibel> oSoMoN, then package apport as a snap.
[10:15] <seb128> stepping out for some errands and early lunch, bbiab
[10:15] <jibel> oSoMoN, and it'll be available on other distros
[10:15] <tjaalton> Nafallo: ok, doubt it matters anymore but thanks
[10:16] <tjaalton> looks like it's easy to hang bionic by switching through vt's
[10:16] <tjaalton> nice
[10:18] <oSoMoN> jibel, I hadn't thought of that, sounds like a good idea
[10:19] <oSoMoN> jibel, would you mind commenting on the thread, for posterity
[10:20] <jibel> oSoMoN, will do
[10:20] <tjaalton> ha, was finally able to repro the bug after a forced reboot
[10:22] <oSoMoN> thanks
[10:28] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, morning
[10:36] <willcooke> Saviq, any stong feelings on removing unity-session-broadcast from the archive?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter-session-broadcast/+bug/1747146
[10:36] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1747146 in unity-greeter-session-broadcast (Ubuntu) "RM: obsolete product" [Undecided,Triaged]
[10:39] <Saviq> willcooke: yes, do
[10:48] <willcooke> Saviq, thanks
[10:53] <jbicha> good morning
[10:53] <Nafallo> morning jbicha
[10:54] <jbicha> we also had a timezone change so that adds to me waking up earlier compared to y'all
[10:55] <jbicha> there's a proposal for Florida to stay on this timezone year round (permanent US Eastern Daylight Saving Time)
[10:55] <Laney> this period is a confusing one when it come to scheduling meetings
[10:55] <Laney> roll on march 25
[10:56] <jbicha> yeah, FL is about to make it one more step confusing…
[10:56] <Laney> /o\
[10:56] <jbicha> willcooke: see also LP: #1755585 , cc xnox
[10:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1755585 in unity-greeter-session-broadcast (Ubuntu) "Please remove indicator-network & unity-greeter-session-broadcast" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755585
[10:56] <Laney> mostly solved by making calendar events which are attached to a timezone (or UTC)
[10:57]  * didrocks likes DST-time, more sun in the evening :)
[10:57] <Laney> yeahhhh
[10:57] <Laney> https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/nottingham
[10:57] <jbicha> oh, it looks like mine was the duplicate so I dropped the u-g-s-b task from my bug
[10:58] <Laney> this is quite a pleasing time
[10:58] <willcooke> jbicha, is that indicator-network the U8 one then?
[10:58] <Laney> wtf, almost at the equinox already
[10:58] <Laney> yes
[10:58] <willcooke> I assume it is
[10:59] <willcooke> Laney, was that yes to me?
[10:59] <Laney> oui
[10:59] <willcooke> merci
[11:00] <Laney> unity has nm-applet
[11:00] <didrocks> bonne réponse
[11:00] <willcooke> Saviq, you ok to drop u8 indicator-network too?
[11:06] <Saviq> willcooke: yeah
[11:11] <Nafallo> hrm. I need to report that bug as well...
[11:12] <Nafallo> there's something weird with the buttons in my VPN connection :-)
[11:14] <Nafallo> hmm. window size issue I think.
[11:15] <jbicha> Laney: do we need a FFe bug for packagekit? the gnome-software 3.28 NEWS says it's recommended to use the new PK version
[11:16] <jbicha> and the new appstream-glib in Debian fixes a FTBFS bug
[11:18] <Laney> dunno, what are the changes?
[11:23] <Laney> https://github.com/hughsie/PackageKit/blob/master/NEWS
[11:23] <Laney> sounds OK
[11:29] <jbicha> https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/blob/master/NEWS
[11:31] <Laney> also good I think, not really worried about API additions
[12:22] <jbicha> seb128: we want these patches for 18.04 right? LP: #1686081
[12:22] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1686081 in mutter (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686081
[12:24] <Laney> we're still supporting synaptics?
[12:24] <jbicha> andyrock: could you report LP: #1754651 upstream, even if you don't have a patch ready?
[12:24] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1754651 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center windows remains open after using the launch-panel/online-accounts/add "API"" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754651
[12:24] <Laney> who wants to vouch for me for gnome foundation membership?
[12:25] <kenvandine> Laney, i'd be happy to
[12:26] <Laney> :D
[12:26] <Laney> I just read the word "glib"
[12:26] <Laney> like the normal english word
[12:26] <Laney> ...
[12:26] <Laney> as something else
[12:26] <didrocks> Laney: can do as well :)
[12:27] <Laney> thx!
[12:27] <andyrock> jbicha: kk
[12:27] <Laney> didrocks: kenvandine: do you have gnome.org email?
[12:28] <didrocks> Laney: didrocks@ ;)
[12:29] <Laney> the thing says I'm going to have to have iainl :(
[12:29] <Laney> because that's the git account name
[12:29] <didrocks> yeah, need to match the git account name per policy, maybe you can ask andrea to get something else if you prefer?
[12:29] <didrocks> like I don't have FirstLast name for instance
[12:31] <Laney> it says NO NICKNAMES in bold :P
[12:31] <Laney> didrocks is a special guy
[12:32] <didrocks> it's so close to my name that it's almost not a nickname :p
[12:35] <Laney> done
[12:35] <Laney> expect mail!
[12:35] <kenvandine> Laney, yes, kvandine@gnome.org
[12:36] <Laney> 💋
[12:36] <Laney> that looks hideous in the terminal
[12:40] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, I've started work on https://trello.com/c/1R0lryqL/183-gnome-328-platform-snap , addressing build failures as they go
[12:40] <oSoMoN> the version of meson in 16.04 is old, we might want to add a meson part, wdyt
[12:40] <oSoMoN> ?
[12:42] <oSoMoN> nevermind, we definitely want a newer meson, json-glib requires 0.40.1
[12:45] <jbicha> oSoMoN: that card says "built from bionic" ??
[12:45] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, yes, we shoul
[12:45] <kenvandine> jbicha, yeah, but snapcraft isn't quite ready for us to build for 18.04 yet
[12:46] <jbicha> ok
[12:46] <kenvandine> so we're getting started on 16.04, just getting all the parts needed to build
[12:47] <oSoMoN> building on bionic with up-to-date dependencies would be easier indeed
[12:47] <jbicha> yeah, lots of GNOME 3.28 requires like 0.43 (I see one that wants 0.44)
[12:50] <doko> jbicha: you can drop the meson ubuntu diff for the next upload
[12:51] <jbicha> doko: does that mean you'll close Debian bug 892422 as obsolete?
[12:51] <ubot5`> Debian bug 892422 in src:meson "meson: autopkgtest fails on architectures where libasan is not available" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/892422
[12:52] <doko> jbicha: all ubuntu archs now have the sanitizer enabled
[12:52] <jbicha> please :)
[12:53] <jbicha> doko: speaking of Debian, could you push your QA upload to https://anonscm.debian.org/git/collab-maint/abiword.git
[12:53] <andyrock> does launchpad support git issue links?
[12:54] <jbicha> andyrock: it supports GitHub but not GitLab yet LP: #1745210
[12:54] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1745210 in Launchpad itself "Support GNOME GitLab Issues as external bugtracker" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745210
[12:54] <andyrock> jbicha: thanks
[12:54] <andyrock> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/16
[13:07] <jbicha> presumably we can close this bug and reject the patches now that we don't support ecryptfs for new installs? LP: #1699216
[13:07] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1699216 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "Encrypted home support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699216
[13:10] <seb128> jbicha, I was waiting for an official statement to be written to close those so we have proper/official rational
[13:10] <seb128> which security team has been due to be sending out for some time
[13:11] <jbicha> I believe System76 is pivoting to full-disk encryption so we might be able to close it without an official statement?
[13:12] <seb128> does it hurt to wait a bit that the official statement goes out?
[13:12] <jbicha> no :)
[13:12] <seb128> k, so please let's do that
[13:13] <seb128> so we sure we don't look like we are not respecting people we work with and just close their bugs without proper justification
[13:13] <seb128> or we could write the justification, but it's easier to wait for the official statement and point to that
[13:15] <jbicha> it's a kind of disrespect for patches to be unreviewed for months, but I gave jackpot51 a heads up months ago that Ubuntu at least was dropping the encrypted option from our default installer
[13:15] <seb128> yes, we should have reviewed those patches for a long time, not discussing that
[13:16] <seb128> anyway, I'm not interested to argue over that
[13:16] <seb128> so do whatever you want and close the bug if you prfer
[13:17] <seb128> as said I was planning to do once we have a statement out
[13:17] <seb128> but if for some reason you need to close *now* do it and let's move to some other topic
[13:18] <jbicha> let's argue about something else? ;)
[13:18] <seb128> sure, bring it on :)
[13:18] <jbicha> no, I'm fine with waiting a bit longer, I just was responding :)
[13:18] <seb128> :p
[13:19] <seb128> the system76 could do a better job of being engaged with us though
[13:19] <seb128> but it's orthogonal to the specific topic and that mp not being reviewed
[13:19] <seb128> but if they had one person hanging out on our channel, talking about bugs, sending some patches we would know that person enough and could directly talk topics like that one
[13:20] <jbicha> seb128: did you see my question about whether we want duflu's synaptics patches for 18.04?
[13:20] <seb128> jbicha, oh sorry, I read it but with some other things in the backlog ... I didn't code review the change yet, but in principle I think we do yes
[13:23] <seb128> jbicha, do you have any opinion on it?
[13:23] <seb128> it's likely that some users will have synaptic still installed since unity still needs it/we didn't remove it from the archive
[13:23] <seb128> so I think handling those cases better is an improvement
[13:24] <jbicha> I'm not opposed to making it easier for upgrades for now. Debian might want it too especially as it doesn't look like it has UI changes
[13:25] <jbicha> (translations are a pain for Debian for some of our patches)
[13:26] <seb128> right
[13:26] <seb128> let's see what mbiebl replies :)
[14:22] <tsimonq2> Someone here might have a better idea about bug 1754852 than I.
[14:22] <ubot5`> bug 1754852 in steam (Ubuntu) "Steam Installer cannot be found using GNOME Software anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754852
[14:23] <jibel> didrocks, merged
[14:24] <seb128> tsimonq2, Laney, ximion, or robert_ancell are probably the persons who can help you with such issues
[14:24] <didrocks> \o/ thanks jibel
[14:24] <seb128> didrocks, jibel, well done!
[14:25] <didrocks> thx ;)
[14:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, do you think you could make a pull request for your snapd/polkit translation fix to snap 2.32 serie? since that's what bionic is going to have
[15:13] <Laney> tsimonq2: The icon needs to be in the same package as the appdata.
[15:16] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, re- "Once the 0.40 branch exists, we should track the branch rather than the tag", any particular reason for not using the release tarball instead?
[15:17] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, because i'd like to track the branch, so rebuilds pick up fixes that have been pushed to supported branches
[15:17] <kenvandine> they tagged 0.40 but not created a branch for that series yet
[15:18] <tsimonq2> Laney: ack
[15:18] <kenvandine> but if they push fixes that will end up in say 0.40.1, we can just pick that up in a rebuild without editing the yaml
[15:18] <kenvandine> once they have a branch for the 0.40 series :)
[15:18] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, make sense?
[15:22] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, yep, thanks for explaining
[15:29] <jbicha> seb128: um, I wasn't able to duplicate LP: #1686081 on my bionic install here, I'll ask duflu about it later
[15:29] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1686081 in mutter (Ubuntu) "If -synaptics is installed, GNOME Mouse & Touchpad Settings doesn't work" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1686081
[15:33] <seb128> jbicha, in which sense?
[15:34] <jbicha> I installed synaptics and still had mouse & touchpad settings. I even uninstall xserver-xorg-input-libinput and rebooted and they're still there and seem to work
[15:35] <seb128> weird
[15:39] <mgedmin> xorg or wayland session?
[15:40] <jbicha> I'm on Wayland
[15:41] <mgedmin> afaiu wayland always uses libinput, so the presence of the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics can't really change anything
[15:42] <mgedmin> afaiu that bug's about the fact that xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installs an xorg.conf snippet that makes Xorg prefer the synaptics driver over libinput in xorg sessions
[15:43] <mgedmin> (and the synaptics driver has its own set of configurable xinput knobs that gnome-control-center no longer supports)
[15:43] <seb128> jbicha, ah, that's specific to x11
[15:43] <seb128> mgedmin, good point!
[15:45] <jbicha> mgedmin: thanks, I can see the bug now
[15:46] <jbicha> back when I reported that back, we defaulted to X so I guess that helps explain why we didn't get many complaints in 17.10 for it
[15:46] <seb128> right
[17:40] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes, I can make a 2.32 PR with the snapd/polkit translation fix if necessary. Thought that master was sufficient...
[17:40] <Laney> GunnarHj: Looking at the language stuff now
[17:42] <GunnarHj> Laney: Great! :)
[17:59] <flocculant> willcooke_: did you think about that pulseaudio timeout this morning?
[18:00] <willcooke_> flocculant, spoke to jibel about it, he's going to have a look.  We're just debugging some live session slow start ups and then we'll take a look
[18:01] <flocculant> willcooke_: ack - well that issue doesn't help :p not so much if I boot you - but our boot is 0_0 ;)
[18:16] <Laney> nighty night
[18:30]  * willcooke_ -> haircut.  Night all
[18:34] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks and no master is not enough for 2.32
[18:34] <seb128> night Laney