[04:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:31] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: " sysop@ubie1804:~$ cat /etc/issue >> buntu Bionic Beaver (development branch) \n \l " on a new secondary SSD :))
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> woot!
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> xubuntu bionic?
[04:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: No .. got ubuntu installed .. have set up partuins to do a core install of 18.04 . // 18.04 ubuntu is slower than 16.04 xubuntu !
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> yep slower
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> slowsdown even on my fastest ssd's
[04:36] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Just started on wayland . got any thoughts on getting additional workspaces on wayland ?
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: sorry no, all xorg here as wayland pretty unstable on all machines here
[04:37] <Bashing-om> Like I say, just started looking at wayland - got to get my additional work spaces !
[04:42] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[04:42] <EriC^^> evening Bashing-om :)
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: activities button/right side of screen shows workspaces
[04:44] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Good here finally .. hoz your world ?
[04:44] <EriC^^> good too
[04:44] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah in Xorg .. not functional in wayland :(
[06:22] <Bashing-om> Night nite guys // All I can stand :)
[07:24] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:27] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:33] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:33] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:46] <ducasse> hi lordievader - all good here, thanks. how are you?
[07:47] <lordievader> Doing good. Got the IPv6 sage certification this morning. Quite a nice test 😁
[07:49] <ducasse> ah, cool! good luck with that :)
[07:50] <lordievader> I've done it already, it is a test you can do in 10 minutes if you have the requirements 😉
[07:50] <ducasse> oh, congrats, then :)
[07:51] <lordievader> Thanks :D
[07:57] <ducasse> not played much with ipv6, it just works™ here
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> hey guys
[08:29] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[08:29] <ducasse> how are you today?
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> have a nice day, work time :p
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[08:29] <ducasse> enjoy :)
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> tnx ttyl
[08:29] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[08:30] <ducasse> morning, BluesKaj - insomnia?
[08:32] <BluesKaj> well, went to bed early ducasse ...leaving in an hr or so to drive home.  Been visiting my daughter in Toronto for the last 6 days
[08:33] <ducasse> had a nice time?
[08:34] <BluesKaj> we've had a great time, ate at some really good restaurants etc, got to visit with my grandchildren...overall a fine visit
[08:36] <ducasse> sounds good :) having a friend over for dinner today, trying to decide what to make
[08:41] <BluesKaj> sounds cool, assume you like to cook ?
[08:42] <ducasse> yes, i think it's relaxing. not that i'm an exceptional talent or anything, but i am mostly able to produce something edible.
[08:42] <BluesKaj> :-)
[08:43] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[08:44] <BluesKaj> I've got to learn how to cook again, but so far I've managed ok
[08:44] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader
[08:44] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[08:44] <BluesKaj> ok here, lordievader, and you?
[08:45] <lordievader> Doing allright here :)
[09:02] <BluesKaj> I'm itching to get my new pc setup with a new soundcard, but i'm not sure it was the right move after reading about the MSI  Z370 motherboard capabilities. It was gift from my son and I should have done more extensive research on it's audio chips and outputs.
[09:02] <BluesKaj> err chip
[09:07] <BluesKaj> anyway time to load up for the trip home....we'll chat again when i get there
[09:07] <ducasse> are you thinking of getting a discrete card or usb thingy?
[09:26] <lordievader> Is the motherboard missing outputs?
[10:35] <daftykins> i haven't touched soundcards in forever :)
[10:35] <daftykins> back when creative labs were still good
[10:36]  * lordievader has a Fiio 'card' at work and an Mbox at home.
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[17:16] <JimBuntu> hiya lotuspsychje
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> hey JimBuntu
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell bionic
[17:19] <ubot5`> gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 3.27.92-0ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 675 kB, installed size 7394 kB
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> 300mb bionic updates
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> oO
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[17:24] <ubot5`> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.15.0.12.13 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 14 kB
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> and new kernel
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> brb reboot
[18:52] <pauljw> hi everyone
[19:19] <JimBuntu> Welcome back to the quiet party pauljw
[19:20] <pauljw> hi JimBuntu, ty... :)
[19:20]  * daftykins carefully opens and closes the channel door
[19:29] <tgm4883> EriC^^: that guy is totally asking homework questions
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:30] <EriC^^> yeah seems so
[19:30] <EriC^^> lol @ curious
[19:39] <daftykins> :D
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[20:06] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Was wondering if that was you :P "you" still on this time of the day .
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[21:50] <akik> anyone seen a bug report about the ubuntu installer and setting the system locale? it doesn't ask you in which language you want to use the installed system but decides it according to the keyboard layout you choose
[22:02] <akik> i.e. i want to use a finnish keyboard layout but use ubuntu in english
[22:03] <daftykins> which release is this you tried to install?
[22:04] <akik> well it was like this since 14.04 at least
[22:04] <daftykins> then you need to ask in #ubuntu - this is a non-support channel, as per topic :)
[22:04] <akik> no, i know how to fix it
[22:04] <akik> just that is there any drive to fix the issue in the installer
[22:05] <daftykins> so are you really asking how to report a bug, or what?
[22:05] <akik> i asked if someone has seen a bug report about it
[22:06] <daftykins> ah yeah, still not a support channel
[22:06] <daftykins> you know how to search? :)
[22:06] <akik> i'm trying to use my google-fu
[22:06] <akik> dude this is for discussing ubuntu
[22:07] <daftykins> yes at a conceptual level, "how do i..." = support
[22:07] <akik> no i'm not asking how to fix it. i know how to do it
[22:07] <daftykins> if you did you'd have published a fix to a bug in ubiquity
[22:08] <akik> so you have seen a bug report about it?
[22:08] <akik> the problem is that the installer does not ask you in which language you want to use the installed system
[22:09] <akik> it decides it according to the keyboard layout you choose
[22:09] <daftykins> i'm telling you you're asking in the wrong place, go and ask for help finding a relevant bug in #ubuntu
[22:09] <akik> or the timezone/location
[22:10] <akik> i'll just ignore you for now
[22:10] <daftykins> why do you have a problem with being told you're in the wrong place?
[22:10] <daftykins> do you think rules don't apply to you?
[22:16] <TJ-> akik: looks like Bug #1373663
[22:16] <ubot5`> bug 1373663 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Inadequate locale settings" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373663
[22:18] <akik> yea that's how it rolls
[22:19] <akik> actually isn't there a selection for language in the installer? i always select english there
[22:20] <TJ-> You know what I think the problem is? the move from BIOS to UEFI boot! Are you testing this on a UEFI boot?
[22:20] <akik> bios. i didn't have an uefi machine while 14.04'ing
[22:20] <TJ-> Because if you recall, the installer booting from BIOS uses syslinux which pops up an initial language selector which I think it passes the results of along to the installer, whereas UEFI uses grub which doesn't do that
[22:21] <akik> i can run a test in vbox
[22:21] <TJ-> Are you selecting English as a language at that pre-boot stage?
[22:21] <akik> no, but in the installer ui
[22:21] <TJ-> I know that originally that selection was passed through into d-i and ubiquity, or was supposed to be
[22:26] <daftykins> yip sure does
[22:26] <akik> one thing popped into my mind. i only use kubuntu. does that follow the same rules than whatever the default ubuntu installer uses?
[22:26] <daftykins> well, it does if you press a key at the purple boot splash
[22:29] <TJ-> so long since I ran the kubuntu installer I'm not sure if it uses ubiquity. I have a vague recall it doesn't
[22:30] <daftykins> i think it would've been the same for that far back
[22:30] <TJ-> it looks like it does, via ubiquity-frontend-kde
[22:31] <TJ-> and this ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[22:38] <akik> found another report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1231520
[22:38] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1231520 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Desktop image sets LC_TIME based on country, not selected language" [Medium,Triaged]
[22:51] <TJ-> akik: from looking through the bug reports it looks like whatever developers are left touching ubiquity aren't addressing bugs
[22:51] <TJ-> The only major recent work was the subiquity for -server
[22:51] <daftykins> which is even worse xD
[22:52] <TJ-> rather like netplan ... seems like a typical Canonical trait ... initial rush of enthusiasm but no hard grind later
[22:54] <nacc> TJ-: it's an interesting point
[22:55] <nacc> I think there is a desire for 'thought leadership'
[22:55] <nacc> but it's not always clear to me that it's very well thought out (pun intended)
[22:55] <TJ-> yeah, after 13 years+ of Ubuntu development I find it easy to spot the trait
[22:55] <akik> TJ-: in the first window that the kubuntu installer opens, there's a selection "Please choose the language to use for the install process. This language will be the default language for this computer."
[22:56] <TJ-> akik: right... so is it ignoring that?
[22:56] <nacc> TJ-: :)
[22:56] <akik> TJ-: i'll see after the install and report back
[22:57] <TJ-> nacc: what put me off Canonical was in the early days I was part of the ubuntu-kernel team, then without warning it became the canonical-kernel team me and others were shut out without warning or any kind of consultation. That happened in some other projects too as things were 'privatised'
[22:59] <nacc> TJ-: interesting, I had no idea that happened
[22:59] <nacc> but I am also not surprised
[23:03] <TJ-> akik: looks like the issue goes back to Dapper and possibly earlier (2005/6) Bug #57411
[23:03] <ubot5`> bug 57411 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installer should have option to install English system with e.g. European locale defaults" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57411
[23:03] <akik> TJ-: /etc/default/locale has fi_FI.UTF-8 for other variables than LANG (this is kubuntu 14.04.5)
[23:03] <akik> let's not go back that far :)
[23:03] <akik> so in my shell, the dates are in finnish
[23:03] <TJ-> akik: what I mean is, if you read that bug, it seems to be suggesting the requested fix is what you are now seeing!
[23:09] <akik> it hasn't ever been a big enough of a problem for me
[23:12] <TJ-> akik: comment #6 of Bug #34944 sounds sensible
[23:12] <ubot5`> bug 34944 in Ubuntu Express "language and locale detection" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34944
[23:15] <akik> for simplicity, it should just follow what the user selects in the installer
[23:24] <akik> i'll try the install again
[23:26] <akik> i misspoke about the kubuntu iso boot up
[23:26] <akik> i changed the language and keyboard in grub
[23:26] <akik> now i don't touch them
[23:34] <akik> ok nothing changes, still fi_FI.UTF-8
[23:36] <akik> to me it looks like a logic error, disregarding that first language selection
[23:40] <TJ-> might be worth looking at the latest changelog to see who's actually tagged as doing the changes and to get an idea of what is being done. Looks like mostly changing requirements changes rather than any active bug-fix maintenance type work
[23:55] <guiverc> TJ-, (this is from support; but like this response - I'm often away and forget to check the time (my bad..)
[23:56] <TJ-> guiverc: I generally use tab-complete ad if it fails I know they're gone :)
[23:57] <guiverc> me too - possibly i walked away after i started (and forgot)
[23:58] <TJ-> hehehe my biggest problem is I hit it too many times and send messages to the wrong person despite my eyes telling me it stopped on the nickname I wanted