| bluesabre | flocculant, ochosi: a couple questions about defaults... 1) Do we want notifications to fade out? This was the behavior prior to 0.4.0 I think, and 2) Do we want to add the notifyd plugin to the panel? It seems like a nice addition to me and fits in nicely to the left of indicator-messages | 02:17 |
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| bluesabre | (also welcome feedback from everybody else) | 02:18 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: first off from my perspective I'd say no to both - all turned off here :p | 04:17 |
| Unit193 | I thought they did fade out by default, but yeah added the plugin and didn't see too much of a benefit. :3 | 04:18 |
| flocculant | from not my perspective 1 - not sure what you mean - when I test it for ochosi I thought it faded out | 04:18 |
| flocculant | 2 - the plugin isn't too obtrusive and I don't see having it there would be an immediate fail | 04:19 |
| flocculant | Unit193: ha ha | 04:19 |
| flocculant | I can imagine if you had them on - the plugin allows you to dnd pretty quickly | 04:19 |
| Unit193 | For the only thing that matters, my irssi notifications don't fire if ~/.dnd exists. | 04:20 |
| flocculant | Unit193: suspend screwed up a terminal I had running irssi, was dead, logging out and it was still dead - had to reboot | 04:20 |
| flocculant | aah it moves off stage right - doesn't fade | 04:25 |
| Unit193 | 0_o | 04:27 |
| flocculant | apparently I have electron installed ... https://i.imgur.com/sVA1FaM.png | 04:28 |
| flocculant | pretty sure I don't - but I do have something built with it (if that's what I read right) | 04:28 |
| willem | good moring all | 08:52 |
| willem | morning | 08:53 |
| Unit193 | Heya, willem. | 08:53 |
| willem | flocculant, as to an update-manager icon appearing in my panel: today I fired up my laptop around 9 o'clock. So far -it's now almost 10- there's no icon to be seen. | 08:54 |
| willem | (I'm refering to an earlier exchange about update-manager) | 08:55 |
| willem | I ran sudo apt update in the terminal, and it tells me that there are 23 upgradable packages. There is still no update-manager in the panel however. | 08:57 |
| willem | Should I report this as an issue do you think? | 08:57 |
| bluesabre | flocculant, Unit193, yeah, it used to fade by default, but the default changed recently to just disappear | 09:58 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: that .dnd thing... that sounds like how it should work? | 09:58 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Irssi/application specific, thus personally have no need for notifyd's version which is what the plugin provides access to. | 10:11 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: ah, gotcha | 10:12 |
| bluesabre | but similarly, you wouldn't be bothered by its inclusion | 10:13 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, only insofar if I have to re-install, something to remove, but that's not hard so not a big deal. :P | 10:13 |
| bluesabre | :) | 10:14 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: there's a lot of Electron apps now, so very possible you may have used one at some point | 10:24 |
| bluesabre | I actually need a file a bug about those, fonts are rendering horribly bad in them in bionic | 10:25 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: So, happy with Bionic? With the LTS status? | 10:32 |
| ali1234 | https://i.imgur.com/iCOm6os.png missing icons | 10:35 |
| bluesabre | ali1234: in humanity? | 10:38 |
| ali1234 | in ubuntu-mono-light and elementary-xfce | 10:39 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: yes, I think we're in a pretty good position. Everything is rock solid and we only have a few minor issues here and there | 10:39 |
| ali1234 | and yeah humanity too | 10:39 |
| bluesabre | elementary-xfce looks good over here | 10:40 |
| ali1234 | i installed with the daily image downloaded about 2 hours ago | 10:40 |
| bluesabre | huh | 10:40 |
| bluesabre | the orange home folder you have there is not elementary-xfce | 10:40 |
| ali1234 | corrent, it is ubuntu-mono-light | 10:40 |
| ali1234 | the icons are missing regardless of what icon set i choose | 10:40 |
| bluesabre | will take a look tonight | 10:42 |
| ali1234 | hmm, wait, it does have an icon in elementary-xfce | 10:42 |
| ali1234 | it's just that it's an amorphous grey blob so i could not see it :( | 10:43 |
| ali1234 | also what is this: https://i.imgur.com/iCyTLXr.png | 10:44 |
| willem | I think I may be seeing the same thing: http://i.imgur.com/xhsjUAV.png; below the bluetooth icon, the mouse and touch pad entry seems to be missing the icon. | 10:50 |
| ali1234 | yeah, cos you've changed icon theme as well | 10:51 |
| ali1234 | oh hre's something: the gnome icon theme is not missing the icon | 10:52 |
| ali1234 | i bet gnome renamed the icon and then nobody fixed all the old themes | 10:52 |
| willem | I just changed the icon theme to adwaita. Now more icons are missing it seems: http://i.imgur.com/p9hLM9a.png | 10:53 |
| ali1234 | me too. adwaita seems to have almost no icons at all | 10:54 |
| ali1234 | although perhaps that is to be expected | 10:54 |
| ali1234 | i'm not sure why it is even listed and even the preview has a missing icon | 10:54 |
| ali1234 | ah you need adwaita-icon-theme-full to get the full theme | 10:56 |
| willem | Unit193, as to being happy with Bionic: I've been using it as my everyday install for some 5 days now. Not found any reason to reboot 16.04 so far. | 10:56 |
| willem | So it's doing well | 10:56 |
| willem | :-) | 10:56 |
| ali1234 | hmm yep, most icon themes do have those icons | 11:00 |
| ali1234 | faenza, human, breath all have them | 11:00 |
| ali1234 | i guess ubuntu-mono is just unmaintained now | 11:01 |
| Unit193 | Oh nice, can't get the dropbox indicator to show up. | 11:02 |
| Unit193 | willem: Yep, been using it for quite some time myself. | 11:02 |
| willem | Unit193, my dropbox icon in 18.04 is working (unlike in 16.04). It does however not show any menu if i click/tap on it. It does show atatus messages when I hover over it. | 11:14 |
| ali1234 | hmm installing adwaita-icon-theme-full fixes ubuntu-mono-light as well | 11:19 |
| ali1234 | i dont think i will ever understand how icon themes work :( | 11:19 |
| Unit193 | willem: I can get either to work in Artful, though it seems only if I use indicator-application, hmm. | 11:25 |
| Unit193 | willem: I usually force it into tray icon mode, but was looking to see if I could get indicators working. | 11:26 |
| ali1234 | ah i see | 11:27 |
| ali1234 | Inherits=Humanity,Adwaita,hicolor <- that's the problem | 11:28 |
| Unit193 | OK, so yes I can confirm on Bionic too. | 11:30 |
| willem | have to leave for now; thanks | 11:41 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i would set it to fade out by default. not sure if you also want to enable slide out. i would also add the plugin for easy access to DND | 12:02 |
| ochosi | ali1234: if you find missing icons in elementary-xfce let me know! and yeah, humanity is in terrible shape | 12:03 |
| ochosi | just don't use it | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | i'm not trying to use humanity but ubuntu-mono-light | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | but it is also messed up for some reason | 12:04 |
| ali1234 | but installing adwaita-icon-theme-full fixes it for some reason | 12:04 |
| ali1234 | i'm now writing a tool to tell me why | 12:04 |
| ali1234 | can you tell me the name of those icons? | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | okay the icon in question is preferences-desktop-peripherals | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | this icon only exists inside the 'gnome' icon theme | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | this code snippet find the icon even though the gnome theme is selected and the selected theme does not inherit from it http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f9HmqWSkC6/ | 13:16 |
| ali1234 | it works on both 16.04 and 18.04 so i don't understand why it isn't drawing the icon on 18.04 | 13:17 |
| ali1234 | araraghgrhaghrgha | 13:47 |
| ali1234 | this is the worst thing ever | 13:47 |
| ali1234 | the icon exists | 13:47 |
| ali1234 | somebody changed it to a copy of the missing icon icon | 13:47 |
| ali1234 | nope, that's not right either | 13:50 |
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| willem | hi guys. I think I am seeing some weird behaviour when the laptop battery is almost empty. Please see the picture here http://i.imgur.com/x2vCDj3.png | 16:40 |
| willem | This screen appeared all of a sudden, and the white squares moves when I move the mouse/touchpad | 16:41 |
| willem | It happened twice | 16:41 |
| willem | Not sure how to investigate this. Any suggestions? | 16:41 |
| GridCube | willem: I have the suspicion that's a hardware issue | 16:46 |
| willem | It think it happens when the battery is very low, and the laptop wants to shut down, and ask me to save my work before the complete shutdown. When I press the on/off button, the Xubuntu-windoing down windows shows up and the laptop turns off | 16:48 |
| willem | This has not happened before. Is there any log I can have a look at to find out more? Or should I ask that somewhere else? | 16:49 |
| willem | I found a log message which may be related and posted on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1550779 | 17:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1550779 in linux (Ubuntu) "[i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun - Xorg glitches" [Medium,Incomplete] | 17:18 |
| flocculant | willem: what do you have in update tab of software and updates - just screen shot it for me | 17:54 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: it was early - yea I have electron app - iirc etcher is electron - not sure why notify just calls things electron? | 17:56 |
| willem | flocculant, I hope you mean this: http://i.imgur.com/wksmBeI.png | 18:01 |
| willem | The option I meant is in this tab: http://i.imgur.com/EdLwRUO.png | 18:02 |
| flocculant | yea - last one - don't turn that on | 18:03 |
| flocculant | yea - last one - don't turn that on | 18:03 |
| flocculant | I'll repeat that :p | 18:03 |
| willem | Thank you | 18:03 |
| willem | thank you | 18:03 |
| willem | I wont | 18:04 |
| willem | I really won't | 18:04 |
| willem | :-) | 18:04 |
| flocculant | heh | 18:04 |
| flocculant | ok - so first screenie - set them to same as mine and see what happens tomorrow | 18:05 |
| flocculant | tbh I'm not overly concerned about update-mangler - that's a Canonical thing - they get paid to sort their stuff out :D | 18:06 |
| willem | flocculant, Is there a way for me to know what yours looks like? :-) | 18:09 |
| flocculant | oops - wonder where I posted that then | 18:10 |
| flocculant | https://i.imgur.com/9K2gnwG.png | 18:10 |
| flocculant | or I thought I was going to - then didn't | 18:10 |
| willem | well, my update tab looks the same;now, except for the security updates; there I have Download immediately and install... Is that alright? | 18:16 |
| willem | Remember though: I have not seen an update icon in system tray yet | 18:17 |
| flocculant | yep - leave the security one how you have it | 18:17 |
| flocculant | and yes - trying to trigger it for you by telling it to display immediately | 18:18 |
| flocculant | how the tool works is that 2 times per day shortly after and admin logs in (you) it checks and should display | 18:18 |
| willem | well, I have not seen that display yet. | 18:19 |
| willem | still: food calls | 18:19 |
| willem | I was looking at https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes; I noticed that the link in "xubuntu-desktop (changelog)" doesn't work. | 19:35 |
| willem | same: xubuntu-wallpapers (changelog) | 19:36 |
| flocculant | willem: thanks :) | 20:14 |
| krytarik | willem: Regarding update-manager not showing up even though you get packages to upgrade using APT directly, there is this too which might play a role here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates | 20:18 |
| dc_coder_84 | I am testing Xubuntu 18.04 64 Bit on real hardware and have found some weird things. When I execute | 20:25 |
| dc_coder_84 | xfce4-terminal --hold --command "echo hello" | 20:25 |
| dc_coder_84 | I everytime get a popup with this message: "Child process exited normal with status zero". Should I open a bug report for it? | 20:25 |
| willem | krytarik, thanks. That may well be the reason. I'll have a better look over there shortly. | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: getting deeper into this missing icon thing. Gtk+3 has added hardcoded look ups against Adwaita and gnome icon themes in addition to hicolor and whatever your theme inherits | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | Gtk+2 never did this, so i don't understand how garcon could ever find the missing icons at all, since they'ev only ever existing in the gnome theme on my system | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | hmm https://github.com/GNOME/gtk/commit/a093cd2a22173369424878eb6d8c38124e7aa1f9 | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | got it! setting that setting to "gnome" fixes everything | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | just need to figure out why that is not required on 16.04 now | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | flocculant: here's all the bugs i found in the beta so far: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JfKCv3P6bw/ | 22:05 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: etcher works well :) | 22:07 |
| ali1234 | etcher is electron... didn't someone say they are busted on 18.04? | 22:07 |
| bluesabre | ali1234: they work, but fonts seem to be poorly rendered in 18.04 | 22:07 |
| bluesabre | especially noticeable in atom and visual studio code | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | bluesabre: do you have any suggestions where i could look for this fallback icon theme setting? | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | like where do the default settings live? | 22:08 |
| bluesabre | ali1234: I don't know... but I gtk lets you set whether to use fallback icons in case of a failed load | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | it does but the problem is i didnt tell it to but under 16.04 it did anyway | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | but now under 18.04 it does not | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | as far as i can tell no settings changed | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | and neither did the source code | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | nor any of the icon themes | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | so... i have no idea | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | no idea | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | what do you think about just setting the setting in the xfconf defaults? | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | it fixes the problem and it's just one key that doesn't appear to affect anything else | 22:11 |
| bluesabre | What's the setting? | 22:11 |
| ali1234 | xsettings\Net\FallbackIconTheme = "gnome" | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | Seems like a reasonable inclusion | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | there's a bug report... in the pastebin i linked above... number 4 | 22:12 |
| ali1234 | i don't like fixing things without understand why they fix it :( | 22:13 |
| bluesabre | thanks ali1234 | 22:13 |
| ali1234 | i will keep searching for the answer and update the bug | 22:13 |
| bluesabre | Cool | 22:13 |
| bluesabre | Let me know if you find anything, otherwise I'll just add it to our defaults | 22:13 |
| ali1234 | hmm... i reproduced it on 16.04 and now i don't understand why | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | i found a bunch of other keys that specify an icon theme but the xsettings one really seems to be the only one that does anything | 22:41 |
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