[02:17] flocculant, ochosi: a couple questions about defaults... 1) Do we want notifications to fade out? This was the behavior prior to 0.4.0 I think, and 2) Do we want to add the notifyd plugin to the panel? It seems like a nice addition to me and fits in nicely to the left of indicator-messages [02:18] (also welcome feedback from everybody else) [04:17] bluesabre: first off from my perspective I'd say no to both - all turned off here :p [04:18] I thought they did fade out by default, but yeah added the plugin and didn't see too much of a benefit. :3 [04:18] from not my perspective 1 - not sure what you mean - when I test it for ochosi I thought it faded out [04:19] 2 - the plugin isn't too obtrusive and I don't see having it there would be an immediate fail [04:19] Unit193: ha ha [04:19] I can imagine if you had them on - the plugin allows you to dnd pretty quickly [04:20] For the only thing that matters, my irssi notifications don't fire if ~/.dnd exists. [04:20] Unit193: suspend screwed up a terminal I had running irssi, was dead, logging out and it was still dead - had to reboot [04:25] aah it moves off stage right - doesn't fade [04:27] 0_o [04:28] apparently I have electron installed ... https://i.imgur.com/sVA1FaM.png [04:28] pretty sure I don't - but I do have something built with it (if that's what I read right) [08:52] good moring all [08:53] morning [08:53] Heya, willem. [08:54] flocculant, as to an update-manager icon appearing in my panel: today I fired up my laptop around 9 o'clock. So far -it's now almost 10- there's no icon to be seen. [08:55] (I'm refering to an earlier exchange about update-manager) [08:57] I ran sudo apt update in the terminal, and it tells me that there are 23 upgradable packages. There is still no update-manager in the panel however. [08:57] Should I report this as an issue do you think? [09:58] flocculant, Unit193, yeah, it used to fade by default, but the default changed recently to just disappear [09:58] Unit193: that .dnd thing... that sounds like how it should work? [10:11] bluesabre: Irssi/application specific, thus personally have no need for notifyd's version which is what the plugin provides access to. [10:12] Unit193: ah, gotcha [10:13] but similarly, you wouldn't be bothered by its inclusion [10:13] Yeah, only insofar if I have to re-install, something to remove, but that's not hard so not a big deal. :P [10:14] :) [10:24] flocculant: there's a lot of Electron apps now, so very possible you may have used one at some point [10:25] I actually need a file a bug about those, fonts are rendering horribly bad in them in bionic [10:32] bluesabre: So, happy with Bionic? With the LTS status? [10:35] https://i.imgur.com/iCOm6os.png missing icons [10:38] ali1234: in humanity? [10:39] in ubuntu-mono-light and elementary-xfce [10:39] Unit193: yes, I think we're in a pretty good position. Everything is rock solid and we only have a few minor issues here and there [10:39] and yeah humanity too [10:40] elementary-xfce looks good over here [10:40] i installed with the daily image downloaded about 2 hours ago [10:40] huh [10:40] the orange home folder you have there is not elementary-xfce [10:40] corrent, it is ubuntu-mono-light [10:40] the icons are missing regardless of what icon set i choose [10:42] will take a look tonight [10:42] hmm, wait, it does have an icon in elementary-xfce [10:43] it's just that it's an amorphous grey blob so i could not see it :( [10:44] also what is this: https://i.imgur.com/iCyTLXr.png [10:50] I think I may be seeing the same thing: http://i.imgur.com/xhsjUAV.png; below the bluetooth icon, the mouse and touch pad entry seems to be missing the icon. [10:51] yeah, cos you've changed icon theme as well [10:52] oh hre's something: the gnome icon theme is not missing the icon [10:52] i bet gnome renamed the icon and then nobody fixed all the old themes [10:53] I just changed the icon theme to adwaita. Now more icons are missing it seems: http://i.imgur.com/p9hLM9a.png [10:54] me too. adwaita seems to have almost no icons at all [10:54] although perhaps that is to be expected [10:54] i'm not sure why it is even listed and even the preview has a missing icon [10:56] ah you need adwaita-icon-theme-full to get the full theme [10:56] Unit193, as to being happy with Bionic: I've been using it as my everyday install for some 5 days now. Not found any reason to reboot 16.04 so far. [10:56] So it's doing well [10:56] :-) [11:00] hmm yep, most icon themes do have those icons [11:00] faenza, human, breath all have them [11:01] i guess ubuntu-mono is just unmaintained now [11:02] Oh nice, can't get the dropbox indicator to show up. [11:02] willem: Yep, been using it for quite some time myself. [11:14] Unit193, my dropbox icon in 18.04 is working (unlike in 16.04). It does however not show any menu if i click/tap on it. It does show atatus messages when I hover over it. [11:19] hmm installing adwaita-icon-theme-full fixes ubuntu-mono-light as well [11:19] i dont think i will ever understand how icon themes work :( [11:25] willem: I can get either to work in Artful, though it seems only if I use indicator-application, hmm. [11:26] willem: I usually force it into tray icon mode, but was looking to see if I could get indicators working. [11:27] ah i see [11:28] Inherits=Humanity,Adwaita,hicolor <- that's the problem [11:30] OK, so yes I can confirm on Bionic too. [11:41] have to leave for now; thanks [12:02] bluesabre: i would set it to fade out by default. not sure if you also want to enable slide out. i would also add the plugin for easy access to DND [12:03] ali1234: if you find missing icons in elementary-xfce let me know! and yeah, humanity is in terrible shape [12:03] just don't use it [12:03] i'm not trying to use humanity but ubuntu-mono-light [12:04] but it is also messed up for some reason [12:04] but installing adwaita-icon-theme-full fixes it for some reason [12:04] i'm now writing a tool to tell me why [12:05] can you tell me the name of those icons? [13:15] okay the icon in question is preferences-desktop-peripherals [13:15] this icon only exists inside the 'gnome' icon theme [13:16] this code snippet find the icon even though the gnome theme is selected and the selected theme does not inherit from it http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f9HmqWSkC6/ [13:17] it works on both 16.04 and 18.04 so i don't understand why it isn't drawing the icon on 18.04 [13:47] araraghgrhaghrgha [13:47] this is the worst thing ever [13:47] the icon exists [13:47] somebody changed it to a copy of the missing icon icon [13:50] nope, that's not right either [15:29] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-terminal 0.8.7.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-terminal-0-8-7-2-released-tp50792.html (by Igor Zakharov) [16:40] hi guys. I think I am seeing some weird behaviour when the laptop battery is almost empty. Please see the picture here http://i.imgur.com/x2vCDj3.png [16:41] This screen appeared all of a sudden, and the white squares moves when I move the mouse/touchpad [16:41] It happened twice [16:41] Not sure how to investigate this. Any suggestions? [16:46] willem: I have the suspicion that's a hardware issue [16:48] It think it happens when the battery is very low, and the laptop wants to shut down, and ask me to save my work before the complete shutdown. When I press the on/off button, the Xubuntu-windoing down windows shows up and the laptop turns off [16:49] This has not happened before. Is there any log I can have a look at to find out more? Or should I ask that somewhere else? [17:18] I found a log message which may be related and posted on launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1550779 [17:18] Launchpad bug 1550779 in linux (Ubuntu) "[i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun - Xorg glitches" [Medium,Incomplete] [17:54] willem: what do you have in update tab of software and updates - just screen shot it for me [17:56] bluesabre: it was early - yea I have electron app - iirc etcher is electron - not sure why notify just calls things electron? [18:01] flocculant, I hope you mean this: http://i.imgur.com/wksmBeI.png [18:02] The option I meant is in this tab: http://i.imgur.com/EdLwRUO.png [18:03] yea - last one - don't turn that on [18:03] yea - last one - don't turn that on [18:03] I'll repeat that :p [18:03] Thank you [18:03] thank you [18:04] I wont [18:04] I really won't [18:04] :-) [18:04] heh [18:05] ok - so first screenie - set them to same as mine and see what happens tomorrow [18:06] tbh I'm not overly concerned about update-mangler - that's a Canonical thing - they get paid to sort their stuff out :D [18:09] flocculant, Is there a way for me to know what yours looks like? :-) [18:10] oops - wonder where I posted that then [18:10] https://i.imgur.com/9K2gnwG.png [18:10] or I thought I was going to - then didn't [18:16] well, my update tab looks the same;now, except for the security updates; there I have Download immediately and install... Is that alright? [18:17] Remember though: I have not seen an update icon in system tray yet [18:17] yep - leave the security one how you have it [18:18] and yes - trying to trigger it for you by telling it to display immediately [18:18] how the tool works is that 2 times per day shortly after and admin logs in (you) it checks and should display [18:19] well, I have not seen that display yet. [18:19] still: food calls [19:35] I was looking at https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes; I noticed that the link in "xubuntu-desktop (changelog)" doesn't work. [19:36] same: xubuntu-wallpapers (changelog) [20:14] willem: thanks :) [20:18] willem: Regarding update-manager not showing up even though you get packages to upgrade using APT directly, there is this too which might play a role here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates [20:25] I am testing Xubuntu 18.04 64 Bit on real hardware and have found some weird things. When I execute [20:25] xfce4-terminal --hold --command "echo hello" [20:25] I everytime get a popup with this message: "Child process exited normal with status zero". Should I open a bug report for it? [20:26] krytarik, thanks. That may well be the reason. I'll have a better look over there shortly. [20:30] ochosi: getting deeper into this missing icon thing. Gtk+3 has added hardcoded look ups against Adwaita and gnome icon themes in addition to hicolor and whatever your theme inherits [20:31] Gtk+2 never did this, so i don't understand how garcon could ever find the missing icons at all, since they'ev only ever existing in the gnome theme on my system [20:55] hmm https://github.com/GNOME/gtk/commit/a093cd2a22173369424878eb6d8c38124e7aa1f9 [21:08] got it! setting that setting to "gnome" fixes everything [21:08] just need to figure out why that is not required on 16.04 now [22:05] flocculant: here's all the bugs i found in the beta so far: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JfKCv3P6bw/ [22:07] flocculant: etcher works well :) [22:07] etcher is electron... didn't someone say they are busted on 18.04? [22:07] ali1234: they work, but fonts seem to be poorly rendered in 18.04 [22:08] especially noticeable in atom and visual studio code [22:08] bluesabre: do you have any suggestions where i could look for this fallback icon theme setting? [22:08] like where do the default settings live? [22:09] ali1234: I don't know... but I gtk lets you set whether to use fallback icons in case of a failed load [22:09] it does but the problem is i didnt tell it to but under 16.04 it did anyway [22:09] but now under 18.04 it does not [22:09] as far as i can tell no settings changed [22:10] and neither did the source code [22:10] nor any of the icon themes [22:10] :D [22:10] so... i have no idea [22:10] no idea [22:10] what do you think about just setting the setting in the xfconf defaults? [22:11] it fixes the problem and it's just one key that doesn't appear to affect anything else [22:11] What's the setting? [22:12] xsettings\Net\FallbackIconTheme = "gnome" [22:12] Seems like a reasonable inclusion [22:12] there's a bug report... in the pastebin i linked above... number 4 [22:13] i don't like fixing things without understand why they fix it :( [22:13] thanks ali1234 [22:13] i will keep searching for the answer and update the bug [22:13] Cool [22:13] Let me know if you find anything, otherwise I'll just add it to our defaults [22:40] hmm... i reproduced it on 16.04 and now i don't understand why [22:41] i found a bunch of other keys that specify an icon theme but the xsettings one really seems to be the only one that does anything