 Two quick questions for folks out there:
 1. Is anyone using the imgur app to share images? I've installed it on 16.04 but it doesn't get past "sharing image" for me.
 2. On a bug report I saw something about getting rid of scopes. Just out of interest is there a discussion anywhere on the replacement? I'd be interesed to see it .
 @padraic7a, The replacement really is just apps, for 99% of scopes
 Ok, I was thinking of the app scope specifically. Will the alternative be something like the way Nautilus is currently used to provide a desktop on gnome - or is that just me getting two different ideas confused?
 A dash replacement is certainly in order, but probably won't be as involved as retaining scopes.
 No, replacement for apps scope is the app drawer
 Dash specifically meaning only the app listing. If the drawer is just as usable, there's no reason not to go with it.
 I guess we'll see when the time comes
 The drawer needs a little work still, but it's the right way forward there
 Ok, thanks folks. Is there a repo for the app drawer?
 Sure, you can try it on the desktop in 16.04
 like in this article? https://www.maketecheasier.com/add-app-drawer-unity-launcher-ubuntu/ … So the app view willl be an app drawer automatically populated with (almost) every app you download?
 ok, that makes sense
 No, that's Unity 7
 If you download Unity 8 using the install tools, you get the app drawer... and a subpar desktop experience
 ah ok. that makes more sense.  … cheers
 When 16.04 arrives, what changes can users expect?
 the ones in here, I suppose: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestone/8
 @UniversalSuperBox, I see. Is this a page I can bookmark that will be updated for the next release as well or will there be another one?
 They're all at https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestones
 In the first URL you sent me, I tried taking out the `/8` to see if they would be there but I just needed to take out one more character lol. Thank you! 👍
 [Edit] In the first URL you sent me, I tried taking out the `/8` to see if they would be there but I just needed to add one more character lol. Thank you! 👍
 Yeah, plurals are always hard
 Like moose and moose
 Or fish and fish (though fishes is correct in _some_ cases)
 [Edit] Or fish and fish (though fishes is correct in some cases)
 Fishi
 fishy fishy fish, find the fish!
 water and waters
 unity
 @AmolithSeregion, This horror movie was giving me the fishes?
 @Flohack is this PR needed ? or just for FP2 ? … https://github.com/ubports/android_hardware_qcom_audio/pull/1/commits/96ce2d9ab8878de89679b03fa98e32f746d28f76
 @Walid, No idea sry
 must ask Marius himself @mariogrip
 cuz i have only issue wwith halium-5.1  : audio, thats really make me crazy
 LOL the PR is still open
 2016 wtf
 i will test it , just patched audio-caf and build rght now
 There its written its needed for FP2 and OPO
 So its more than 1 device already ;)
 yes , my device use also audio-caf 8974, same used by FP2
 good
 but if this is not merged
 how does it not crash 😆
 for me crash , have error : can' open pcm0D....
 [Edit] for me crash , have error : can't open pcm0D.... something like this
 Hi community. RSS reader help. Right now use digging reader but shutting down in 26 march. In open store actually have it 3 app to this. One a scope. The rest, one Shorter not work in my e4.5, the other RSS simple reader work, but not have opal import and the add feature is are broken, because no paste well. Is possible
[08:06] <ubptgbot> another option? Or help to fix someone. I not a programmer but I can help whit test or design. Greetings!
 @dohbee, :) I'd very much welcome the ability to tidy the apps away behind the Ubuntu logo.
[10:17] <ubptgbot> DarthBoris was added by: DarthBoris
 @DarthBoris, Hi Mark, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 wow, 16.04 devel is getting functional
 store works, nextcloud calendar works
 👍
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/yEu5kWn8.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/mYJP63Oc.webp
 i can even switch channels (not that there are any outside devel, but still)
 Yeah it's starting to become quite usable.
 Speaking of which Dan, how's Libertine coming along for it?
 still WIP
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <Miguel Pires> Hi
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <Miguel Pires> I've 1 problem with the OpO
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <Miguel Pires> the flash off the Camera don't work
[10:27] <ubptgbot> <Miguel Pires> anyone have the same problem?
 @Miguel Pires, I have the same symptom on FP2, but the problem may be different
[10:33] <ubptgbot> René was added by: René
 @René, Hi René, you can read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @Miguel Pires, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/258
[10:38] <ubptgbot> <Miguel Pires> @advocatux, Thks. No news about the bug...
[10:40] <ubptgbot> linux lotfi was added by: linux lotfi
 @linux lotfi, Hi linux lotfi, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 It is true 16.04 is getting stable, but I noticed: camera shoot but then goes stuck and you have to open multitasking to re use it. Or, openstore seems to work, but it doesn't update apps.
 Is there something other than Libertine I can use to install desktop apps?
 i think somenone (@dohbee ?) managed to "install" debs by putting the files in writable memory (/home/...) and then painstakingly point all path references to the new location
 not really, no
 😅
 @YougoChats, that was definitely not me
 oh ok. it's rather messy way of doing things anyway
 yes, and way too much work
 for no meaningful gain
 @AmolithSeregion, are you looking for a general solution, or is there just one specific app you want to run?
 I would like to run Libreoffice
 @dohbee, I would like to run Libreoffice and VLC
 @AmolithSeregion, Yeah, you would really need libertine then (or rebuild them as clicks somehow)
 @dohbee, When will Libertine be fixed, does anyone know?
 no idea, i can't really create a container on my n5, because it has no network, so no way to really test it failing directly at the moment
 guess i could put 15.04 back on it and create a container on my n4, then copy it over to the n5, perhaps, and see what breaks
 It has been suggested that the KDE office suite will run in 16.04 at some point. That could substitute for LibreOffice
 it should run in 15.04 too
 but that doesn't solve the libertine issues
 hmm, or maybe i should just buy another n5, because this one really is messed up
 [Edit] Hi community. RSS reader help. Right now use digg reader but shutting down in 26 march. In open store actually have it 3 app to this. One a scope. The rest, one Shorter not work in my e4.5, the other RSS simple reader work, but not have opal import and the add feature is are broken, because no paste well. Is possi
[13:50] <ubptgbot> ble another option? Or help to fix someone. I not a programmer but I can help whit test or design. Greetings!
 Não era isso
 one question...
 looking at the bugs on github
 most of them are fixed and in Quality Assurance group
 does that mean that these are implemented in developer mode of ubuntu touch 16.04?
 or does it has to be moved in realse Candideate group?
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/projects/3#card-7758026
 This is the meaning of each column: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/about/process/issue-tracking.html
[15:30] <ubptgbot> zepolar was added by: zepolar
 @zepolar, Hi Alexander, take a look to https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @advocatux you're too fast for me...
 ;)
 😆
 thanks @advocatux, in this moment I will read the norms
 Oh this is a historic moment! 🎉 Someone is going to read the norms BEFORE asking a question! 😆 … (just kidding)
 [Edit] Oh this is an historic moment! 🎉 Someone is going to read the norms BEFORE asking a question! 😆 … (just kidding)
 haha
 Laura uitgenodigd, maar ze bijt niet
 Any news on OAT 4?
 Any news on OTA 4?
 @kristijantkalec, I don't think we are quite at RC level yet. It would have to be a bit more settled for that
 @nikhilubuntu, has there been any announcement that there will be an OTA4 for 15.04?
 @dohbee, Maybe OTA4 will be the upgrade to 16.04?  Not clear
 OTA 4 is 16.04
 i guess that's what'll happen
 since all work goes to xenial
 maybe
 maybe not
 there are several smaller fixes that would be nice to get into 15.04. i expect 16.04 is still going to take a while yet
 OTA 3.5
 @PhoenixLandPirate, 😂
 an OTA that moves to 16.04 is going to be hard beyond just having the basics working, too. libertine containers will also need upgrading, for example
 i'm actually interested in scopes as project but i have no idea what that would involve.......
 Hello! Do you know how is fixed, in ubports 16.04, the bug that causes the words to stick together without the space between them?
 What's this I hear about scopes being depreciated for stable Xenial? I find that rather upsetting tbh :( and how e.g. would GUI app choosing work then? @mariogrip @Flohack @neothethird @UniversalSuperBox
 @TartanSpartan, The app drawer that's in the newer unity8 already in 16.04
 Can I get a screenshot please?
 @Fuseteam, What do you mean exactly? as in maintaining the core scopes APIs and such?
 And could we have IDK maybe a democratic vote for the whole community to decide whether to keep or dump scopes?
 Or consultations?
 @TartanSpartan, https://youtu.be/mH1x51w76Uw?t=111
 @TartanSpartan, software isn't a democracy, so i don't see what such a thing would gain. scopes add a lot of complexity and maintenance cost, for no real gain
 there's nothing saying scopes couldn't come back later in some other form either
 but really, the best way forward right now, would be to drop them
 The fact that we're an open source and sustainable OS community would suggest democratic principles, IMO.
 The scopes which still work e.g. OMGUbuntu (regardless of Joey's editorial policy), Music, Videos etc work great for me.
 @TartanSpartan, No. It suggest anyone can contribute. It doesn't suggest everyone gets to decide what other people work one
 Could there be a YMMV element there?
 what benefit do you have from the music scope, over just using the music app?
 I don't use it much over the music app, admittedly, but it' nice to have the option.
 but *why* ?
 *why not*?
 Of course, the Videos scope is good for a quick thumbnail preview (and playback preview) which is faster than File Manager or whatever.
 By all means drop non-functional scopes, the defunct internet feeds for which might not be accessible or replacable by Ubports. But don't kill stuff that works, and which *some* users enjoy.
 @TartanSpartan, i've answered that
 Just thought of a usecase for Music. I can skip easily (and visually) between different tracks, from different albums, without having to navigate between different directories as I would with the music app. And the music app occasionally has hiccups e.g. with new track importing.
 @TartanSpartan, Nothing can ever change, with that attitude. Some users will always prefer something that other users do not
 Why not provide the app drawer alongside the scopes?
 @TartanSpartan, The music scope and music app display the same results, so if there is a "hiccup" with importing, it will be visible in both places. As for UX issues, that sounds like bugs that should be fixed/improved
 On multiple computing form factors, there can be multiple methods of launching applications, they need not be constrained when choice (between a select few, tried and tested) is a good thing to offer.
 @TartanSpartan, This sounds like the solution is to make using apps faster, not to use their slowness as an excuse for complex code that increases burden on developers
 CLI launch, scopes, app drawer. Trifecta of neat/nifty.
 that is your opinion
 And your contrarian view is your's. I respect that, but I'd also dig to read justification/potential for discussion from others, including the devs I tagged upthread.
 besides, 99% of the scopes are already gone, since they aren't in the store
 We know that just as with clicks or anything else in OpenStore, if we bring scope developers into the fold, they can be provided there too.
 getting rid of the dash will free up RAM, too
 nobody really wanted to develop scopes when canonical was supporting this stuff, because they are a tremendous pain to develop
 What factor of RAM saving would be on the table?
 so why would devs want to build them now?
 @TartanSpartan, i don't have an e4.5, so i don't know how much RAM unity8-dash is using there
 Is something bad because there is less or should there be less if it is bad? These are different things .. :-)
 but more than 0, and less than 1GB, at least :)
 But I guess on the other hand the scopes I've mentioned seem nicely stable anyway. They don't need feature enhancements, at least AFAICS, so maintaining them doesn't go much beyond simply porting the code to Xenial. Again, AFAICS & IMO.
 unity8-dash is using ~72 MB on my nexus 4
 I don't follow your question sorry Jyoti.
 so i think it's safe to say not having the dash would help provide a smoother experience on lower end devices
 getting rid of the dash also means getting rid of the hacks for seeing the background
 Fairly trivial then compared to heavy apps, but fair enough. I know you've always advocated optimisation for lower end hardware, and touche, but of course that debate has been had before and is ongoing. I don't have a horse there really because I need minimum 2GB RAM and the more the better.
 @TartanSpartan, I just wanted to say that the fact that there are less scopes and less devs working on them does not cause scopes to automatically be considered something bad ...
 ubports doesn't have a few hundred developers working on the core system, and probably won't for a very long time, if ever
 and certainly they aren't working on it full time
 Ok, I agree Jyoti.
 so removing extraneous things which don't directly help with the primary goal, in the shorter term, is the best way forward
 @Jyoti, scopes themselves aren't inherently bad, but the interface for using them is, and developing them is quite difficult, so it's not a worthwhile endeavor to preserve them and ensure they continue working
 even if the code doesn't need to change, if they're there, someone really has to be testing them with every OTA and such
 otherwise we'd just be shipping stuff that we have no idea whether it works or not
 But again, if say the sole maintenance of Libertine-Scope by @DanChapman is porting it to Xenial and it won't need feature enhancements/bug fixes thereafter (because it doesn't on Vivid), is that really extraneous or a developer resources sink?
 To me, that screams a "one off and straightforward job".
 I understand that the devs had to have priorities
 @TartanSpartan, libertine scope is not needed with app drawer
 app drawer has all your apps
 Does app drawer explicitly differentiate between clicks and Libertine apps?
 no
 Shouldn't it? Some apps might look identical on first glance between the two forms.
 nor does it differentiate between deb installed apps and clicks
 (the apps scope doesn't differentiate between debs and clicks either, though)
 @TartanSpartan, well you can have the same app installed in multiple containers too, and it doesn't visualize which app is from which container
 i grant you there are still some improvements needed in it, but it's the right way forward there
 I still think an opt-in opt-out preference for scopes would be sweet, and as with other things I would be willing to contribute to crowdfunding to keep them going.
 I never really got what 'scopes' are about but my impression is that it is a blanket term for a variety of rather different things.  I am not sure that 'Scopes, for and against' means very much. Carrots and carrots - discuss. But not 'vegetables'
 [Edit] I never really got what 'scopes' are about but my impression is that it is a blanket term for a variety of rather different things.  I am not sure that 'Scopes, for and against' means very much. Carrots and cabbages - discuss. But not 'vegetables'
 If someone has a list of all the functional vs unfunctional scopes and accessible vs orphaned scopes (some people have archives of clicks, and perhaps also scopes?) they would be BAMF for helping focus support efforts, if my hopes were to go ahead. Would at the very least make for interesting reading in the history of Ubuntu T
[20:11] <ubptgbot> ouch.
 @Stereofont, Nobody understands them really, which is why they're problematic
 The base concept makes sense, no? A hub/feed for a specific field of interest, or another way of viewing/running an app.
 no
 well that is not the base concept
 hence the problem
 @dohbee, Scopes are 'the thing no other OS has'
 @Stereofont, except they are not
 the dash is "the thing no other OS has" in that respect, i guess, but still that's also not entirely true
 How far was my Cliff Notes from the official designation of the base concept?
 @TartanSpartan, you've described the dash, i guess
 scopes themselves are just search plug-ins. they get sent a query, and return results, along with some json description of how those results should be arranged
 all of the UI is in unity8-dash
 I described what I understand of the scopes. One was literally an RSS feed reader, therefore indeed "a feed for a specific field of interest".
 scopes themselves do not have any UI
 But you're getting technical and maybe a little pedantic there, no offence. What the average Joe user sees a scope doing is more or less what I said. Are the underlying mechanics that important to the concept, or what the user sees the UI doing?
 @TartanSpartan, We're talking about keeping code around. If you don't want to get technical then don't discuss keeping code around. It involves technical things
 it's important because from the engineering side, scopes were built to be search plug-ins, just like the search plug-ins for the thing on iOS or whatever
 I guess it's like, do the other free minds care much about or wish to copy Neo's ability to see the Matrix in code? No, they get more out of what he can do for them with that ability.
 but Mark (and thus design) wanted to push scopes as this magical thing that differentiates ubuntu from everything else
 and what we have in reality, is where those two things meet
 and it is a freaking mess
 Right, but there will always be a difference between what the developers and the end users perceive/understand about software.
 that is a horrible excuse for keeping overly complex and extraneous code around
 "well it's always been this way, so why bother changing things?"
 As end user I couldn't get my head round the weather app, that searched and brought me weather and the weather scope, that searched and brought me weather
 right, scopes are basically just another kind of app, that's not as good as an actual app
 and it creates confusion, along with an increased burden on the development/design/documentation/qa/support side of things
 Still dude, even if you think Libertine-Scope is nullified by the app drawer in Unity 8, you haven't really shot down my premise of Dan's effort in porting it to Xenial as likely a one-off and a bit of housekeeping, rather than ongoing and involved? But if you can refute that hypothesis, I'd be all ears.
 I mean, did that scope even change much if at all in all the OTAs since it's debut with Canonical's image up to Ubports' OTA-3? Genuine question, but I don't believe so.
 Ditto that question then for other scopes.
 Is Libertine even a 'scope'?
 I would think, both by the layman and technical concepts laid out above, very much so. It's not the only component of Libertine though, you of course also have the manager app, the variant of that in System Settings, the things which govern the generation of the container itself.
 @TartanSpartan, i don't understand what hypothesis you are even attempting to put forward
 btw there's no actual porting of the libertine scope to xenial, it's just building it there instead of on 15.04, because of c++ ABI
 i don't see what "how much have scopes changed" has to do with whether or not we should keep them around
 Libertine, Anbox and Halium seem to be similar categories of thing. Translation layers
 if anything, "not changing" seems like it would be a sign of a lack of interest in them
 I've said it multiple times. Changing the scope code to run on Xenial rather than Vivid. Or as you just said, just building it. Why would that be an ongoing maintenance effort? It doesn't do an online search, it just lays out all armhf .debs a user has installed into it. That's why I'm wondering why you say it *would* need ong
[20:34] <ubptgbot> oing effort.
 the more ways there are to do a single thing, the more complex the code is, the more difficult it is to maintain, and the more confusing it is for users
 We've all heard the adage "don't break what isn't broken" and "don't reinvent the wheel". From my perspective, possibly from others' perspectives too, those would apply here.
 *don't fix what isn't broken
 @TartanSpartan, you seem to be asking about a specific scope, and i am talking about scopes as a concept in general, and all of the junk it takes to make that one tiny scope "work"
 *adages
 But... that one tiny scope does work now. So do others.
 @TartanSpartan, that is a rather stupid adage. humans have been procreating and surviving for millions of years without medicine or doctors, so why go see them when you get sick or pregnant?
 don't fix what ain't broken, right?
 I follow bug reports, I know the News scope or one along those lines is broken now. But OMGUbuntu isn't. There's no more OTAs for Vivid, so for all intents and purposes that scope will keep ticking along so long as Joey maintains the base blog.
 sigh
 this is going nowhere
 It applies in certain contexts bro. It isn't a binary or a one -size-fits-all. And YMMV usually applies rather than objective fact.
 The message I wrote about OMGUbuntu just there. Am I right or incorrect there?
 i've explained, repeating myself multiple times, and you seem to keep ignoring it, and instead deviating from the core of the discussion, to talk about individual scopes
 @TartanSpartan, i don't know anything about the omgubuntu scope, but i imagine it will break on 16.04 without being rebuilt at the least
 One thing you haven't conveyed is exactly how the ongoing maintenance of scopes is this big, arduous task? And yes I saw and recognise that at least it requires beta testing for new images, like with anything else about the OS.
 @TartanSpartan, no, you don't get to ignore objective fact because you are passionate about your opinion and say YMMV.
 What can you define as objective fact? Are all the other devs of the same mind as you or do they feel equally as strongly about this issue as you?
 And yes, if a user used Vivid indefinitely then, then they could use OMGUbuntu scope as long as the blog keeps ticking.
 like i said, this is going nowhere. i've stated several reasons why scopes are bad to keep around. if there's a specific thing in there you don't understand, maybe a direct question about it could be clarified, but this is about scopes as a whole, in the core system, and not the few individual scopes that might still be available in
[20:43] <ubptgbot> the store or slightly usable
 No maintenance required for Ubports there. Only a bit required for a rebuild.
 @TartanSpartan, that is a useless statement though. i can keep using DOS 6.22 as long as i want too, and it will keep working
 i might not get Cortana on it, but it will still work
 Not so useless though because it's a useful-for-some (albeit sometimes controversial and I've made my anger about Joey's complete blanking of Ubports since Canonical dropped UT known in the past), constantly updated blog.
 @TartanSpartan, "of the same mind" and "objective fact" are not the same thing. the former is a subjective statement.
 JFC.
 and you're saying that i'm somehow being pedantic 😞
 I agree we're going in circles, but that's where input from other users and devs can be useful. I can search the Telegram and forum archives but I don't think I'll find the same kind of oppobrium for scopes as you express here. Instead I expect a spectrum of opinion, and indeed, others advocating that they are a worthy thing t
[20:47] <ubptgbot> he continuance of which would also be a worthy thing.
 @TartanSpartan, But maintenance *is* required for the unity8-dash, scopes api's, language bindings, documentation and everything else that goes into them. And who is supposed to do that with the limited resources we have?
 ^^ I guess others are "of the same mind" as me then :)
 personally I never cared about scopes and never really understand what they're supposed to do for me
 seemed like a solution looking for a problem to me but eh
 ^see Dan, that tells me more. I think there may have been some miscommunication between myself and Rodney. What is crystal for him as a dev with a Canonical background is not so much for users and others in between. I still respect you though Rodney and I wasn't trying to irk you.
 dan literally said the exact same thing i did
 in perhaps fewer words, and as a question, but still
 Language bindings as in human languages? I know those can be difficult to maintain, even for a basic PS Vita file manager program, the disrepancy between the French and Polish files' level of sophistication is stark.
 No he mentioned API's, language bindings, documentation, right off the bat that tells me a lot and chiefly that this issue might not be as clear cut as I first thought.
 Still though, I'll maintain my candle of hope.
 i suppose you were assuming that "scopes" just meant the actual scopes in the store, and not unity8-dash and all of the APIs for scopes to actually work then, because i thought i made that clear
 I get that there's that technical distinction, yes. But I think users just perceive them as the former, rather than the latter.
 but we were always talking about the latter. the former is just apps, really
 I guess for a good part of the convo, the neophyte element of the group (not just me :P ) assumed we were talking about the former.
 and from your own statements, it seems like if we were to get rid of scopes, and just make apps faster and easier to use, then the difference would be negligible for you
[21:20] <ubptgbot> snacksniper was added by: snacksniper
 I really dunno about that man... I would like to see scopes and optimised apps both, rather than one or the other, and I think the difference would be meaningful. But granted, I was quibbling about app scopes vs the drawer earlier,  but I haven't used the latter yet. I should test Unity 8 and see how it fits.
 But also, app scopes aren't the only type I'm interested in.
 @snacksniper, Hello Thomas. To get up to date with UBports, have a look at this link … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Just one more opinion. From user point of view, I would like to have scopes (no other OS has it so it is kind of added value). However, as not a developer of the system, I have to accept (or stop using) the system as the developers want it to be.
 I hope, however, the developers have a good msrketability view and develop the system as users (majority) expect!
 @Marcos, Apple has it, and does it right, basically
 @Stereofont, This is a very late reply, sorry, but the easiest way I know to turn off data encryption on an android ROM that has no option to decrypt is to format data in a custom recovery like TWRP.  Unfortunately many ROMs nowadays encrypt by default on first boot.  In such a case there is probably no way to have the in
[21:48] <ubptgbot> staller run cleanly when starting with a running android system, it would have to be run from when the system has been unlocked, then data formatted, than manually placed into fastboot.  Or so I would assume.  Unless the wipe option does this for you, but I think when I tested with encrypted N5 it did not.
 Apple has scopes? No really aware as I don t like them to 'track' and own my data...
 So, I never cared what they do...
 @trainailleur, Thanks Stephen. The guy who asked was on irc so I don't know if he will ever see this
 Did they have before or after Ubuntu Touch introduced the concept?
 @trainailleur, i didn't have to manually format my nexus phones to convert from lineage to ubuntu, and they were both encrypted
 @Marcos, i don't recall. "scopes" is not a new thing in unity 8
 If before, may be they copied it as is a good feature
 Is not a new thing but is / was new on phones?
 i don't understand the question
 @dohbee, Interesting.  At least two of us have had encryption-caused trouble.  Experiences encountered with the installer seem to vary widely.
 @dohbee, There have been two instances of bootloop after install, where there was encryption. It may have been causal or simply coincidence
 hmm, i didn't use ubports-installer; just used ubuntu-device-flash
 Rodney. Were the scopes on apple before or after UT introduced them?
 @Marcos, definitely on apple first
 not that apple has the same UI for scopes that unity8 does, but the core of what scopes is, is not new
 Wow. I understood the scope concept was made by Ubuntu. I was wrong then!
 i mean, sure there are some differences too
 @dohbee, I haven't tested it recently, so my memories are growing hazy, but I seem to recall from my installs last summer and autumn that ubuntu-device-flash handles encrypted data with no problem.
 @trainailleur, that's a bit weird, considering that the installer is literally the same code, iirc
 Have been planning to do some extensive step-by-step testing to document various installer quirks.  Was going to work on it tomorrow but now pushed back to Sunday by other obligations.  Ugh.
 Hey guys! Anybody got telegram app working on m10 with 16.04
 [Edit] Hey guys! Anybody got telegram app working on m10 with 16.04?
 and the UT tweak?
 Telegram not working on my one+1 white 16.04 :(
 @tylnesh, Flohack is working on building it for 16.04, but it's not that easy and the buildsystem needs to be mostly rewritten.
 oh, ok
 cuz not even webtelegram works :D
 does libertine work?
 @dohbee, Have to say that I agree with this. I'm not a developer but have been involved in other open projects. 'Dictatorship of the doers' is the only approach that makes sense. Anything else leads to masochism and people who contribute (and have a large stake in things) bending over backwards for people who don't (contribu
[23:35] <ubptgbot> te or have a large stake).
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 Reinstalling Ubports on my N5, its' wiped so doing it from bootloader
 and I'm getting a rather... unhelpful error
 (Photo, 784x561) https://irc.ubports.com/B7Tq2yjJ.png
 here is a question.
 are you super user on computer (master admin)?  And is this ubuntu machine you are using?
 (because I had a similar situation last week on my N5 and the solution was to download and use the installer as the 'master' Ubuntu Desktop user.  And then it worked...
 Using the latest Windows installer. It errors out earlier when I run it as admin
 @mileskjeller, try a different microusb cable if you can
 also make sure you have adb drivers installed
 @Lyokanthrope, have tried 3, that was my issue the first time, even used the cable I had a good flash with before and that didn't work
 @Lyokanthrope, adb, fastboot and drivers are installed
 hmm
 ahh, hold on, looks like I have a bad driver
 ok gotta reboot, brb a sec
 ok, trying again
 (Photo, 786x593) https://irc.ubports.com/dqI2hRkt.png
 can you `adb push` things normally?
 no devices found
 is the device in the ubports recovery?
 yes
 apparantly it's not being seen by adb
 Is there an adb device corresponding to it in the windows device manager?
 yeah, but windows calles it "Nexus 5"
 android_winusb.inf
 tried manually installing it as an adb device?
 windows whines about needing to restart then calls the device "Nexus 5" again
 I have never had this problem before
 might try on my debian box
 sigh, windows