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 anyone against flatpak, snap, and appimage documentation in the kubuntu manaul?
 All or nothing is my only opinion.
[03:22] <valorie> I think that would be great
[03:22] <valorie> because I don't actually know the technical differences
[03:22] <tsimonq2> Also, as a side note...
[03:22] <tsimonq2> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-release-upgrader/port-away-from-kdesudo/+merge/341555
[03:22] <tsimonq2> That's the last kdesudo rdep.
[03:22] <tsimonq2> Er, the last *valid* one (that won't be removed alongside pykde4).
[03:23] <tsimonq2> The changes work fine in a VM from what I can tell.
 well I said all of them
 I don't one to feel left out
 Right, so I have no objections. :)
 cool. would be a nice addition for an LTS
[03:29] <valorie> I agree
[03:29] <valorie> esp as KDE is trying to provide all of them when possible
[03:29] <valorie> and they should be available via discover
[03:29] <tsimonq2> Right.
[03:30] <tsimonq2> Oooooh, another side note, falkon migrated. \o/
[03:31] <tsimonq2> We're also just a few package sponsorships and one removal away from getting rid of pykde4 in Bionic.
[03:32] <tsimonq2> Let's see if LP will actually let me file the removal bug...
[03:32] <tsimonq2> :P
[03:32] <tsimonq2> (for qupzilla)
[03:44] <valorie> yay!
[03:45] <tsimonq2> bug 1756492
[03:45] <tsimonq2> \o/
[03:45] <tsimonq2> Now while I'm on a roll I'll see if I can tackle bug 1748247
[03:54] <tsimonq2> To make it easier to track bugs, in https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa I created the artful series and the xenial series.
[03:54] <tsimonq2> Now we can file bugs specifically against different releases in Backports.
[03:54] <tsimonq2> If someone is up for some triaging, go for it!
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/dYBOyS0h/file_5270.jpg
 New look for 18.04
 Oh cool!
 Which theme is that?
 bootswatch_theme': "readable",
 Cool.
 https://github.com/kubuntu-team/kubuntu-manual/commit/666a5e37cbf62d5153a162ac01bf9a5518c4d059
 lots of fixes tonight :)
 Why don't you have GitHub give notifications here?
 there is for when travis builds or something
 You can also do push notifications for new commits.
 I think it was setup for my personal account or something, don't remember
 @tsimonq2 got a link to set that up?
 @ahoneybun, Just go to Settings -> Integrations -> Add Integration -> IRC
 we'll see
 guess that did not work.
 Hm, I dunno,
[04:40] <tsimonq2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-workspace/+bug/1748247 - all of the fixes are now on the bug report.
[04:40] <tsimonq2> It's out of my hands now.
[04:41] <valorie> I assume we can't see that
[04:41] <tsimonq2> You can.
[04:41] <tsimonq2> It's Public Security.
[04:41] <valorie> so I can
[04:41] <valorie> cool
[04:41] <tsimonq2> (Either way, I'd give the KC access.)
[04:41] <tsimonq2> And there's packages for testing if you'd like to verify, too.
[04:41] <tsimonq2> :)
[04:41] <tsimonq2> I tested them myself, and that's good enough for the security team.
[04:41] <valorie> not tonight
[04:42] <tsimonq2> But a "me too!" is cool too.
[04:42] <tsimonq2> OK.
[04:42] <valorie> have a morning meeting bleah
[04:42] <tsimonq2> Blehh.
[04:42] <tsimonq2> Good luck. :P
 valorie if you have time I'd like you to review our manual.
 Need another pair of eyes.
[04:42] <valorie> perhaps on Sunday, ahoneybun
[04:42] <valorie> tomorrow is totally full
[04:42] <valorie> and no for tonight
 Got it.
 @tsimonq2 you also have access to the manual page if you have time.
 OK.
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[10:50] <BluesKaj> ;Morning folks
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[12:47] <santa_> good morning everyone
[12:47] <santa_> good morning acheronuk, I just wanted to drop a couple of notes for you here:
[12:47] <santa_> first one, regarding the kholidays exclusion from metadata
[12:48] <santa_> I think you manually edited ka-metadata to exclude kholidays which is now part of frameworks
[12:48] <santa_> the correct way to do that is the following:
[12:48] <santa_> go to your applications directory with all the git clones
[12:49] <santa_> move kholidays somewhere else
[12:49] <santa_> run ka-update-metadata once the kholidays git clone isn't there
[12:49] <santa_> that will update the metadata _properly_
[12:49] <santa_> and second note:
[12:50] <santa_> I have a fix for the messagelib acc failing test, please don't upload it yet, I'm testing the patch with a test rebuild to make sure nothing starts to ftbfs
[12:51] <santa_> also I would like to send the patch to kde's phab and then add the headers with the patch review
[12:51] <santa_> ... and that's it for now
[12:52] <acheronuk> santa_: yeah. I forgot to remove kholidays then could not be bothered to re-run
[12:52] <acheronuk> was also going to mention messagelib, but ran out of patience with it earlier
[12:53] <acheronuk> santa_: oddly, had the same error with 17.12.2 tests, which seemed to self sort. but clearly not this time
[12:55] <santa_> it seems to me the surprising thing is the 'pass', not the failure
[12:57] <acheronuk> yeah. if the error I got on manual runs after a fail are correct, I struggle to see how it passed previously as well
 is there a technical or historical reason why PPAs don't provide appstream metadata for their packages?
 mm yay:
 The following packages have unmet dependencies: …  libnvidia-ifr1-390 : Depends: libnvidia-gl-390 but it is not installed …  nvidia-compute-390 : Depends: nvidia-dkms-390 …  nvidia-driver-390 : Depends: libnvidia-gl-390 (= 390.42-0ubuntu1) but it is not installed …                      Depends: nvidia-dkms-390 (= 390.42-0ubuntu1) … E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt —fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a 
 Elisa 0.1 release coming soon, oh yea! https://mgallienkde.wordpress.com/2018/03/16/last-weeks-activity-in-elisa-and-release-schedule/
 @nggraham, possibly both. maybe ask on #launchpad
 (Photo, 974x609) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/KhXAu8bW/file_5284.jpg Starting to play with this :)
 @acheronuk, 👍
 @acheronuk, NICE!!!
 @ahoneybun, Are you using 18.04?  18.04 has a beta version of apt and it seems to struggle with certain packages.  I have used pkcon, dpkg and Discover to untie the knots created by apt.
 I am on 18.04
 On one of my 18.04 NVidia systems, I finally gave up are re-installed.
 I'd rather not do that lol
 Something wrong with nvidia?
 When "apt —fix-missing", "dpkg —configure -a", pkcon, Discover, aptitude and apt-get all fail, a 10 minute re-install and a fast internet  makes for tough competition.
 On hybrid laptops, 18.04's NVidia support is not fully baked (known issue, to be fixed soom).
 But I also had an issue early on with a non-hybird NVida system.  Seems to be an apt/NVidia combination but I have not had time to chase the specifics.
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[17:24] <tsimonq2> qupzilla was removed, falkon is the source package for that now
[17:24] <tsimonq2> latte-dock was accepted and has migrated
[17:24] <tsimonq2> And falkon has migrated too.
[17:24] <tsimonq2> This afternoon I'll look into peruse.
[17:25] <tsimonq2> (The Release Team doesn't care about source NEW packages, only further updates to those packages.)
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 @ahoneybun @DarinMiller @MichaelTun are you usuing latte-dock, and if so what version?
 I've not installed it.
 @acheronuk, yes heavily and not sure version
 right. just want 0.7.4 testing briefly (from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-misc)
 checking . . . 0.7.3 right now, not updated it yet to 0.7.4
 I will when I get the time to, maybe tomorrow. prepping for show rn
 00.7.4 should be building now
 @MichaelTun, oooh. go do that. wouldn't want to make you late! 😉
 lol yea thanks. I will be on time today just like every other stream :)
 @MichaelTun, Nah, that's five hours out yet, you have time 😉
 😆
 true :)
 hahahahahaha
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0VnawbMh/file_5289.jpg
 No latte-dock here.  Neat project but one extra layer of overhead that does not benefit my workflow as mostly use krunner for launch everything. I would love for sometime to convince me otherwise.
[19:03] <blaze> how many virtual desktops do you have? or do you prefer activities?
[19:05] <blaze> I have a strong feeling that the majority of KDE people does not use virtual desktops at all
 I always have at minimum eight virtual desktops on any DE I use. If it doesn't support all eight, I don't use it.
[19:11] <blaze> now I'm starting to remember that there was some quiz on that topic
 I actually don't use any virtual desktops or activities
[19:22] <blaze> that was my hypothesis
[19:23] <blaze> I assume that virtual desktops are making navigation between windows harder, at least in KDE
[19:26] <blaze> but the situation can be improved and I have an idea how
 it't not because I I find their UI awkward or inefficient; I just don't generally find that they fit with with my personal workflow
[19:40] <blaze> it's hard to tell if something can benefit your workflow or not until you try
[19:40] <blaze> and if it's done in a proper way the chances are higher
 What makes you think I haven't tried, or that I'm unfamiliar with excellent implementations of the concept? 😉
 I use macOS at work, and they have a truly wonderful implementation of virtual desktops IMHO. Still, I don't use it, because I don't particularly need it
 I separate activities for different projects
 But because Firefox / chrome don’t support activities I gave that up
[19:55] <blaze> my idea is more about task management with the virtual desktops being involved, but let's stop here
[19:55] <blaze> we are really getting offtopic
 @nggraham @tsimonq2 @DarinMiller @MichaelTun valorie @ahoneybun mparillo … 1st iso with a test minimal install list is here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20180317.1/
 amd64 only
 ack
 trying to add the list at install time crashed ubiquity, so I pushed it and spun an iso
 @acheronuk, Sweet!
 @acheronuk, Qool