[02:11] <Auctus> is the telemetry stuff turned on in the beta? where do i find that setting to turn it off
[02:11] <Auctus> i didnt see anything during the install process.
[02:12] <tsimonq2> Auctus: If it's not in the install process, it's not there.
[02:12] <tsimonq2> I don't think they've implemented it quite yet.
[02:28] <Auctus> how do i make alt-tabbing normal; i only have firefox open, but it wont switch between windows, i gotta bring up some annoying sub-menu
[02:33] <Auctus> theres like a delay before that sub-menu opens up
[02:35] <Auctus> is there also no longer a way to change the # of workspaces in the settings? do i have to install some tweak tool or something to do that?
[02:39] <Auctus> apparently i should be pressing "super" and then using arrow keys to navigate between open windows
[02:40] <Auctus> thats still slower?
[03:00] <Bashing-om> Auctus: I use the keyboard short cut .. wayland --- and it it much faster to switch work spaces .
[03:39] <Auctus> so apparently when you fill up your last workspace, a new workspace is created below it, neat
[04:19] <Bashing-om> Auctus: My ecperience is that once the 1st work space is active, the 2nd becomes available . ( wayland )
[07:42] <enyc> Hrrm. how long does it take or a package agreed, in the package builder "PROPOSED" etc to then appear in bionic archive and packages.ubuntu.com ??
[07:43] <enyc> e2fsprogs supposedly updated "fix released" for bionic
[07:43] <enyc> build system built it for bionic PROPOSED, no prbolmes days ago
[07:43] <enyc> what happens to push it through?
[08:04] <enyc> auto-testing-'magic' ??
[08:13] <acheronuk> enyc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[08:14] <acheronuk> publishing history shows it got through a short while ago: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e2fsprogs/1.44.0-1/+publishinghistory
[08:14] <acheronuk> then it's up to mirrors
[08:15] <enyc> acheronuk: how/when does  packages.ubuntu.com  update?
[08:17] <acheronuk> presumably a cron job somewhere. if so, I don't know the timing/frequency
[08:17] <enyc> hrrm, and i wonder if it reads some master database, or just 'looks at' packages rom mirrors/main-archive/etc
[08:17]  * acheronuk shrugs
[08:18] <enyc> acheronuk: thankyou =)
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> !proposed
[10:04] <Xard> i have ubuntu 16.04 installation and i installed the 18.04 beta on same drive and it seems the efi bootloaders are writing now over each other so i can use either 16.04 or 18.04 but can't have them side by side and choosable from bios
[10:07] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: morning :)
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> hey flocculant 
[11:23] <enyc> Xard: i wondered if that sort of thing would tend to happen...  I'm not yet EFI general user so don't know correct solution.
[11:23] <enyc> Xard: i'm guessing something can be changed in the older-ubuntu to change boot entry names
[11:23] <enyc> Xard: separate-disks, or "virtualization" tend to be easier fwiw
[11:24] <enyc> Hrrrrm...    Wondering....
[11:24] <enyc> is  'btrfs-progs' (now in main)  going to be default in most installs now [i'd reccomend it was available/supported...]
[11:24] <enyc> [for that matter, can you install with root on btrfs]
[11:25] <enyc> ALSO -- does the default desktop install, handle gracefull, discovering an 'exfat' filesystem? -- Will it do something sensible to help user get  'exfat-utils'  'exfat-fuse'  installed???
[12:24] <Xard> enyc: i can boot to older kernels from the efi menu and then recapture the efi boot from the booted system with "grub-install /dev/sdX" where x is the drive letter
[12:24] <Xard> fedora seems to do this with each release as separate efi entry so they don't have this issue while ubuntu is just "ubuntu"
[12:29] <enyc> Xard: yes quite, have you looked for ubunut-bugs? discussed with devs?
[12:31] <enyc> Xard: if you've got a really well worded example bug iwth good non-intrusive low-regression-risk solution in there, i can try to rais it with devs in a hurry for bionic
[12:31] <enyc> Xard: have got another issue ssorted myself...
[12:32] <Xard> it just feels weird and overlooked problem espicially considering that testing beta releases on real hardware is quite important
[12:32] <enyc> Xard: quite,  Look in launchpad.net  bug search
[12:32] <Xard> and it feels more like "feature" than bug
[12:32] <enyc> Xard: but still annoying and unnecessary
[12:33] <enyc> Xard: please, check,   write a good bug along with sogugsed solution  if there isn't one,  give example of HOW i works in fedora/whatever
[12:33] <enyc> i'm doing some checks/regression/etc on a different, e2fprogs mess ;p
[12:33] <Xard> well, what this efi boot loader is even called since using proper term would probably help
[12:34] <enyc> Xard: 'grub-efi' probably
[12:34] <enyc> Xard: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep grub"  (or grep efi)  might give you a clue
[12:35] <Xard> probably "grub-efi-amd64"...?
[12:35] <enyc> seems very likely
[12:35] <Xard> okay, thanks
[12:35] <enyc> Xard: launchpad bug search will let you see all bugs in that package
[12:36] <Xard> i'm not really that familiar with efi as i've used always the legacy mbr option on previous hardware
[12:38] <Xard> one quite peculiar thing was that the 18.04 beta installer didn't even warn me about not mounting /boot/efi during the installation so i had to manually install grub-efi-amd64 and drive the "grub-install" from 18.04 beta
[12:38] <Xard> and setup /boot/efi to fstab of course
[12:38] <enyc> Xard: check for a bug on that too
[12:38] <enyc> Xard: when you have bug report numbers (even if you create them yourself)  i may help look at them and point devs
[12:39] <Xard> if recall right 16.04 installer didn't let you continue and warned of the missing efi partition
[12:39] <enyc> check your facts, report bug
[12:40] <Xard> okay, thanks for the information and i'll look into it bit later as i have some running matters to deal with now...
[15:58]  * enyc tests an install with btrfs-root ;p
[21:38] <pajje> Hi, Checking out 18.04 beta and realized that I cant find how to enable DTS/AC3 passthrough in pavcontrol anymore. Has this feature been moved or am I missing something?