[00:33] <mparillo> Question about minimal install. It seems to me that the ISO is the same, right? So you download everything but simply do not install some packages? Woudn't it be easier to grab the mini ISO and add kubuntu-desktop (is that our meta-package?).
[00:41] <tsimonq2> No, it doesn't quite work like that.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> So the way the ISO works is that a whole Kubuntu system is installed on one squashfs.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> That includes Ubiquity and the other tools as well.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> When that system is installed, it unpacks that squashfs then removes Ubiquity.
[00:42] <tsimonq2> So by doing the minimal install, it just adds a list of packages to remove with Ubiquity.
[00:43] <tsimonq2> Putting it on the Mini ISO won't make a difference. The Mini ISO is just a minimal install that does this but it does it differently.
[00:43] <tsimonq2> Instead of using a squashfs, it uses debootstrap to basically assemble what would be the squashfs.
[00:44] <tsimonq2> So yeah, using d-i might save some time, but then it's also a bit of hackery to get d-i to install the kubuntu-desktop task *minus* a list of packages.
[00:44] <tsimonq2> So for now, this is the best solution.
[00:44] <tsimonq2> What will happen in the future is they'll be implementing stacked squashfses
[00:45] <tsimonq2> That means, you have the core install squashfs and then another squashfs on top with e.g. apps, PIM, whatever.
[00:45] <tsimonq2> Then once the install is done, at minimum the core squashfs is installed, then if the minimal install box is checked, it leaves out installing that additional squashfs.
[00:45] <tsimonq2> That'd make things much smooter.
[00:46] <tsimonq2> *smoother
[00:46] <tsimonq2> It would also allow for options where the user could choose a certain software suite.
[00:46] <tsimonq2> etc.
[00:46] <tsimonq2> mparillo: Does that make sense?
[01:01] <mparillo> I think it does, but when I download the Kubuntu ISO, I am downloading (a squashed version of) everything, correct?
[01:01] <mparillo> While, with the mini ISO, I download the minimum necessary, and then select only those packages I want.
[01:05] <mparillo> I know the mini ISO worked easily for me with Lubuntu Next just the other day (in a VM, anyway).
[01:08] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[01:12] <mparillo> I was having trouble with the Lubuntu-Next ISO images, and I now believe (admittedly with only a day of experience) that the mini ISO is an under-appreciated *buntu spin
[01:57] <valorie> I might be able to test on the spare hd on this laptop
[01:57] <valorie> the drive on my travel laptop died today
[01:57] <tsimonq2> Oh hey valorie!
[01:58] <valorie> and I moved this computer last night, and failed to notice that I half unplugged it
[01:58] <valorie> and then I was gone all day
[01:58] <valorie> so it was offline since whenever the battery ran out
[07:03] <blaze> on the sunday morning publisher usually takes a nap
[07:04] <blaze> or can't wake from it's slumber
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[10:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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 Hey Rick is there anyway you can send me a list of things that are already in Kubuntu 18.04 from my suggestions so I could have an action list needed from me for the rest
 @MichaelTun, I should probably make a master task listing all UI etc tweaks made, and to be made. Inlcuding who suggested. At the moment they are in seprate ones.
 @acheronuk, That would be fantastic for sure
 Out of curiosity, how many of my exception list was used?
 @MichaelTun, I don't know, as I only pushed the one I did as local testing fell over.
 @MichaelTun where is your list? lol
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 @MichaelTun, Here
 k3b is not on the list as I was unsure if to call that an essential. … konversation is not there as I forgot/missed it (not saving latest revision) … ktimetracker should not be on our install any more anyway … partitionmanager (same as k3b)
 @MichaelTun ^^
 @MichaelTun http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/kubuntu.bionic/desktop.minimal-remove
 the way I decided for essential is the percentage of people who would use it vs not. … k3b is a burning tool that is very unlikely these days because people simply don't use those types of mediums as much as they used to. … Konversation is fantastic but IRC is not the most popular method of communication anymore so I dont think it is essential. … partitionmanager is great again but the percentage of people who actually 
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 konversation added to the list