[00:00] <Stewsey> what do you mean?
[00:00] <tomreyn> echo 'xinput set-prop 12 "Device Enabled" 0' >> ~/.xinitrc
[00:01] <tomreyn> this should make it persist
[00:01] <tomreyn> thta's assuming the command you posted here actually works for you
[00:03] <Stewsey> Enter it exactly as you typd it?
[00:03] <tomreyn> Stewsey:
[00:03] <tomreyn> yes
[00:03] <fluffi> pragmaticenigma what ways do you mean?
[00:04] <Stewsey> Rebooting to see if it sticks
[00:07] <fluffi> Linux is great. I love it. It's the best. I am having so much fun with it. And I am very productive with using it...
[00:08] <Budgii> I see you've had a change of heart! ahahha
[00:08] <Stewsey> Who was just helping me with the trackpad question? Forgot the nick
[00:08] <tomreyn> Stewsey: this comand i had provided should have created (or appendrd to, if it existed already) a hidden (starting with a dot) file ".xinputrc" in your home directory, placing the command to disable the trackpad in it. this file is run during X startup. but to be run, it needs to be executable (sorry i forgot about this). so also run: chmod +x ~/.xinitrc
[00:08] <tomreyn> that was me
[00:09] <Stewsey> Can you repost the other line?
[00:09] <tomreyn> Stewsey: also you don't need ot reboot. logout and login should be enough. i need to leave now, though, sorry.
[00:09] <tomreyn> !logs
[00:09] <Stewsey> ok thx
 echo 'xinput set-prop 12 "Device Enabled" 0' >> ~/.xinitrc
[00:11] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, research X-Forwarding. It allows you to run an application on one machine, and view the gui interface on another
[00:11] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, that's what I mean by ways
[00:12] <bunnyman13> hello all
[00:12] <Budgii> bunnyman13, hi!
[00:12] <kartongsaft> bunnyman13: Hi!
[00:12] <bunnyman13> hows life treating y'all
[00:12] <Budgii> AOK!
[00:12] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, or more importantly, there are many different ways to achieve your goal. just have to find the one that works best for your situation
[00:14] <bunnyman13> what is fluffi's predicament
[00:15] <pragmaticenigma> I think, in a sense, we're still trying to figure that part out bunnyman13
[00:15] <bunnyman13> lol
[00:17] <fluffi> Thanks for the help pragmaticenigma. I will give X-Forwarding a try. It looks good. I didnt know about that.
[00:19] <fluffi> bunnyman13 my predicament is, was, and will be, linux
[00:19] <bunnyman13> fluffi what are you trying to do
[00:20] <fluffi> bunnyman13 just some basic things. but it seems that is impossible in the world of tux
[00:20] <bunnyman13> well first off, what distro are you using?
[00:21] <fluffi> ubuntu I think
[00:21] <bunnyman13> okay, so next thing is what version,
[00:21] <fluffi> the great version 16.04.4
[00:21] <bunnyman13> the LTS :D
[00:21] <bunnyman13> yay
[00:22] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, we've been trying to get the ability for fluffi to access their machine via VNC on a headless setup. They're running Ubuntu 16.04 Desktop
[00:22] <bunnyman13> is there a reason why you want VNC over something else?
[00:22] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, the current problem is that fluffi experiences a very laggy response when they connect via VNC
[00:23] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, it fluffi is open to other ideas if you have them. that's why I recommended they might like to look into x-forwarding
[00:23] <bunnyman13> yea :/ that is one of the few reason canonical stop putting time into their Unity
[00:24] <bunnyman13> okay so fluffi are you just trying to use it as like a RDP?
[00:25] <fluffi> no, I use it like vnc
[00:25] <bunnyman13> okay what do you use VNC for?
[00:25] <fluffi> remote control I think
[00:26] <bunnyman13> got it so you use VNC to remotely control your desktop from anywhere in the world correct?
[00:27] <fluffi> yes thats the way vnc is used for
[00:27] <fluffi> and no, only ssh is not an option
[00:28] <bunnyman13> okay so that's called RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol)
[00:28] <bunnyman13> next question are you trying to access over the internet
[00:28] <bunnyman13> or just locally
[00:29] <fluffi> no rdp is a protocol from ms
[00:30] <fluffi> no, just in lan, but thats all not the problem
[00:30] <bunnyman13> okay so what's the problem is it lag?
[00:30] <kk4ewt> fluffi, ?? you can tunnel vnc in ssh
[00:31] <fluffi> the problem is that I am headles
[00:31] <bunnyman13> huh?
[00:31] <pragmaticenigma> headless => no monitor, keybaord, mouse
[00:31] <bunnyman13> hmm...so you just have access via ssh?
[00:32] <fluffi> vnc still works, but ultra slow
[00:33] <fluffi> if there wouldnt be this damn animations it would be better, but this is a a different thing
[00:34] <bunnyman13> let me think
[00:34] <fluffi> and yes, ssh works
[00:34] <bunnyman13> i'm doing a Windows Server 2016 migration at a hotel bluh
[00:35] <sere> why cant i upgrade vlc to 3.. i know i have the currect ppa but still stuck at 2.2\
[00:36] <bunnyman13> @sere what error does it give you?
[00:37] <bunnyman13> @fluffi is it a VM?
[00:37] <fluffi> no, then it would not be headless
[00:37] <bunnyman13> so it's a physical box?
[00:38] <fluffi> yes, I can touch it
[00:38] <bunnyman13> okay...hmm sorry i'm asking a lot of questions cause im curious to
[00:38] <bunnyman13> *too
[00:38] <sere> bunnyman13: i get no error it shows 2.2 being the latest
[00:38] <bunnyman13> how are you upgrading via terminal?
[00:39] <sere> bunnyman13: sudo apt upgrade vlc
[00:39] <bunnyman13> @sere
[00:39] <fluffi> forget vlc, come back to vnc
[00:40] <sere> bunnyman13: synaptic only shows version 2.2
[00:40] <bazhang> fluffi, we can support more than a single user here at a time
[00:41] <fluffi> thats new for me
[00:41] <bazhang> sere, alternately you could search for a PPA
[00:41] <bunnyman13> @sere sudo apt-get install snapd snapd-xdg-open
[00:42] <sere> bazhang: im using the vlc master-daily and i just checked the origin off the ppa and there is no vlc
[00:42] <bunnyman13> then try sudo apt update
[00:42] <bunnyman13>  && sudo apt install vlc
[00:43] <bunnyman13> that's what i would try
[00:43] <bunnyman13> @fluffi...last question, what model box is this?
[00:44] <bunnyman13> the reason I know some graphics cards hate ubuntu
[00:44] <bunnyman13> you have to do some crazy shit to get it working...if not...RAM, Ubuntu should work damn quick
[00:44] <sere> bunnyman13:
[00:45] <sere> vlc is already the newest version (2.2.2-5ubuntu0.16.04.4).
[00:45] <fluffi> its a N3160 system. but I dont think thats is in any way relevant
[00:45] <bunnyman13> and fluffi why do you say that?
[00:45] <bunnyman13> @fluffi
[00:45] <fluffi> it is not a problem with my hardware or configuration. its a common problem with ubuntu
[00:45] <sere> bunnyman13: im wonder if the ppa removed vlc for some reason
[00:46] <fluffi> the internet is full of this issue. but no working solution
[00:47] <tomreyn> fluffi: since you've been discussing this for a good while now i'm not sure whether you're looking for a solution or whether it's just about discussing the issue.
[00:47] <tomreyn> fluffi: if you're looking for a solution and VNC doesn't seem to work for you, have you considered X2Go instead?
[00:47] <bunnyman13> i'm thinking,
[00:49] <fluffi> I need this stuff run on monday. And tomreyn, good question, and dont need a solution. thanks for asking
[00:49] <fluffi> i just need a simple vnc connection running, nothing else
[00:50] <fluffi> more people should connect with the server, not just a special configurated client
[00:51] <tomreyn> how is vnc not a 'special, confgured client'?
[00:51] <fluffi> it works on every damn system out of the box?
[00:53] <sere> bunnyman13:
[00:53] <tomreyn> fluffi: so, if i got your response correctly (I am not sure i did!), you're not looking for assistence then. if that's correct (sorry if not so), then this very channel is actually not the right place to discuss the matter. there is #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic, too.
[00:54] <fluffi> tomreyn I still need help. But I am not sure what you want.
[00:55] <sere> bunnyman13: i used to snap as suggested and now its working.. thank you for the help
[00:55] <tomreyn> fluffi: okay, so i got you wrong. there is nothing i want.
[00:55] <bunnyman13> fluffi, i would try TigerVNC or Teamviewer
[00:55] <Budgii> fluffi, i think he's just saying if you are looking for help here is the place to do it. If just to talk about the issue, not here.
[00:55] <bunnyman13> wait sere it worked?
[00:56] <sere> bunnyman13: yea  i removed the ppa version and installed the snap package
[00:56] <bunnyman13> holy ****@###@$ *explosions*
[00:56] <tomreyn> Budgii: that's right
[00:56] <fluffi> Budgii Need help, and not taking about the issue? dont know how to do this
[00:56] <bunnyman13> so you HAVE to use VNC?
[00:57] <sere> bunnyman13: and the chromecast rendering actaully works :) sweeet
[00:57] <Budgii> fluffi, i get what you mean by that but I think he was just saying if you are just wanting to talk about it and not find a solution (a weird thing at that) then another channel would be better.
[00:58] <fluffi> Budgii I am just searching for the solution. If you can not help me, I am out
[00:58] <bunnyman13> @sere 0_0 huh...cool...i'm surprised,
[00:59] <Budgii> fluffi, i personally don't know enough to help sorry.
[00:59] <sere> bunnyman13: me too.. this is actaully my first snap install too... you the man..the bunnyman
[01:00] <bunnyman13> thanks sere,
[01:00] <sere> bunnyman13: ty
[01:00] <fluffi> Budgii so what is your point? I dont want to talk about a problem I dont want to have
[01:00] <bunnyman13> fluffi...honestly to test...just for testing purposes try another remote desktop program
[01:01] <fluffi> the remote programm has to run on windows
[01:01] <bunnyman13> i mean teamviewer...runs on all OS's
[01:01] <bunnyman13> (except like the older ones) Unix BSD etc..,
[01:02] <fluffi> teamviewer runs on external servers
[01:02] <fluffi> thats no solution
[01:02] <bunnyman13> wait so it can't run on external servers?
[01:02] <fluffi> definitly no
[01:03] <bunnyman13> okay so just lan
[01:03] <bunnyman13> locally not over internet
[01:03] <fluffi> yes no question
[01:04] <bunnyman13> I see the problem you can't use the built in Ubuntu RDP because it can't run on windows so you had to go to VNC
[01:04] <fluffi> ubuntu has rdp?
[01:05] <bunnyman13> yea
[01:05] <bunnyman13> built
[01:05] <bunnyman13> in
[01:05] <tomreyn> bunnyman13: provided by which package?
[01:06] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, you realize that RDP and VNC are two different protocols... they are not the same thing
[01:06] <pathword> hello is there a channel specifically for lubuntu support?
[01:07] <pragmaticenigma> pathword, this is the best channel for support.
[01:07] <pragmaticenigma> pathword, support for Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu, Kubuntu are avaialble here
[01:07] <tomreyn> pathword: there is #lubuntu
[01:08] <fluffi>  bunnyman13 you are wrong.there is no rdp
[01:08] <tomreyn> pathword: but unless you have a question which is abou this specific ubuntu blend, you can just ask here.
[01:08] <pathword> Ok ty both. I tried to make a persistent Live USB of lubuntu 17.10.1, and it seemed to work quite well but for ... yes thank you
[01:09] <pathword> I'd like to install both Opera and Vivaldi browsers
[01:09] <pathword> Then synaptic package manager didn't look ...
[01:09] <bunnyman13> sorry, weird I closed by accident
[01:09] <pathword> it couldn't find any opera or vivaldi which i found a bit odd, so i dl them directly from the websites.
[01:09] <tomreyn> pathword: i don't think those are available in ubuntu, so you'd need to find PPAs or other means to install those.
[01:10] <fluffi>  bunnyman13 i can not connect with rdp. I dont think this is possible
[01:10] <bunnyman13> @pragmaticenigma, sorry if i'm not informed, what'
[01:10] <bunnyman13> is the difference
[01:10] <pathword> hoh. it said it did install them but they are way too quick
[01:10] <pathword> Were way too quick
[01:10] <tomreyn> pathword: it's not really odd, only open source software is provided by ubuntu by default
[01:10] <pathword> i am sure i was running both in mythbuntu
[01:10] <fluffi> why should ubuntu have a build in rdp when I even have to activate vnc
[01:10] <pathword> only last week
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> pathword, Ubuntu's package manager doesn't have packages for Opera or Vivaldi. You can download them from their respective developer websites and follow their instructions for installing them
[01:11] <pathword> yes pragmaticenigma that's what i did, but am unable to find them lol
[01:12] <pathword> and the terminal isn't quite the same as i am used to
[01:12] <tomreyn> pathword: so you probably installed those on mythbuntu manually, too
[01:12] <pathword> what is the LXterminal command for everything that's been installed? Yes probably
[01:12] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, RDP is a protocol developed and maintained by Microsoft corperation. It leverages specific hooks within the Windows operating system. There have been successful packages developed to run a RDP server on linux, however, to the best of my knowledge they are not included with the default install of Ubuntu as it is considered proprietary software
[01:13] <pathword> to see everything that's been installed sorry.
[01:13] <tomreyn> pathword: dpkg -l
[01:13] <pathword> ok tyvm
[01:13] <bunnyman13> sorry guys, my terminology is all messed up, trust me i'm trying to help
[01:13] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, to the best of our ability... this is what we believe fluffi is attempting to do: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04
[01:14] <tomreyn> pathword: this lists installed debian packages.
[01:14] <bunnyman13> or https://www.digitalcitizen.life/connecting-windows-remote-desktop-ubuntu
[01:14] <pathword> great wonderful
[01:14] <bunnyman13> just backwards
[01:14] <fluffi> bunnyman13 that was completley wrong. Even I knew this.
[01:15] <bunnyman13> what was @fluffi
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, where as the computer running linux doesn't have a monitor attached and instead remote users can access the machine via VNC to interact. fluffi's expereince has been that when they run their machine in that state, it becomes slow and unresponsive
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, we're I last left off with fluffi is to ask them to reinstall Ubuntu server edition and follow the instructions of that website. To see if their results are better
[01:16] <bunnyman13> you wan't him to reinstall ubuntu server edition....
[01:16] <tomreyn> i'd just give this a try if i was fluffi https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/326234/setting-up-vnc-server-and-no-physical-display-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[01:16] <bunnyman13> there would be no point in getting VNC to work because there is no GUI
[01:17] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, you've been combative since you asked for help. it does not contribute to a productive support session if you keep doing that. nothing is instant, and there is no magical command that is going to solve all your problems.
[01:17] <pathword> ok well nothing obvious in that resulting list, is there a LXterminal command to highlight words that have appeared in that list?
[01:17] <tomreyn> but then we don't have any details about what the issue seems to be, where it is documented, whether there are any errors written to any logs about it etc.
[01:17] <tomreyn> so this is just guessing
[01:17] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, you came here because you have a shortterm deadline on your project. we are doing everything we can to help, and you respond with crass commentary that isn't benefical
[01:17] <bunnyman13> fluffi if your going to do that just install Ubuntu 17.xx
[01:17] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, try what I proposed earlier and let me know what the result is... in the time since I last mentioned that, you could have already done the reinstall and tested it
[01:18] <maZed_> i am upgrading kubuntu to v 16.04, once this is finished installed is there a way i could move my installation to my new solid state drive?
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, you can run VNC sessions without an active gui running on the system
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, did you look at the link I posted?
[01:18] <bunnyman13> but what is the point...that's just ssh
[01:19] <bunnyman13> idk :/
[01:19] <bunnyman13> or linux mint...or something else, but pragmaticenigma is right you could have finished by now
[01:19] <fluffi> bunnyman13 I tried 17.xx, but my software is not compatible with this version
[01:19] <bunnyman13> what software?
[01:19] <fluffi> its called ros
[01:21] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, what is the full name of the software... that's an acronym and could stand for a lot of different things
[01:21] <tomreyn> maZed_: if the SSD is large enough, you could just 'dd' the entire disk
[01:21] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, that doesn't quite work since they'd be left with the same size disk as the install even if the SSD is larger
[01:21] <maZed_> ok, i will google that, it would be large enough. thanksfor the insite
[01:22] <bunnyman13> it's called ROS i think its robotic software
[01:22] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: sure, but this can be easily modified later
[01:22] <fluffi> robot operating system, but I think this doesnt matter. The problem is VNC
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, for someone that isn't familiar with linux, that's a bit risky don't you think?
[01:23] <bunnyman13> @tomreyn i would be scared because GRUB is very sensitive
[01:23] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: a bit, not that much. it's about copying, not about moving.
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, there are two programs under that name: Loggerhead and Kame... which one are you trying to use?
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, the other issue, bunnyman13 is right... if the system uses UEFI, it will not boot
[01:24] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: yes, i guess you have a point. feel free to suggest alternatives.
[01:24] <fluffi> lunar. but come on, vnc is the problem, not ros. I am familiar with this.
[01:24] <tomreyn> maZed_: see above, we discussed this more and you may want to consider alternative options
[01:24] <tripelb> Question: i am running linux from a usb drive. I have a directory on my hard drive, in a windows partition. In TERMINAL I want to cd into that directory. it is called 484 GB volume / Documents and Settings / username / Desktop / ISO    --- Now how do I figure out what to call it in terminal so I can cd into it.
[01:24] <tripelb> ?
[01:25] <bunnyman13> you have to make the removable disk into a directory,
[01:25] <bunnyman13> so you cd into the directory and it takes you to the /dev/sd.... because linux won't let you
[01:26] <bunnyman13> just cd into /dev/sd....
[01:26] <pathword> perhaps I am looking at this the wrong way and should just forget my VPN i paid for; how can I find what default VPN type software there might be in lubuntu (that's why I wanted opera &/or vivaldi)
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, if you are familiar with this... then why do you need our help?
[01:26] <bunnyman13> what i would do is just get linux with a gui and look at the drive that way
[01:27] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, we're not accusing ROS as being the problem. we are trying to get the bigger picture of what you are doing
[01:27] <tripelb> help, pleas use my userid when you reply
[01:27] <bunnyman13> @tripelb all that i wrote was for you
[01:27] <bunnyman13> sorry
[01:27] <fluffi> pragmaticenigma we need to control it from a usable system
[01:28] <tripelb> bunnyman I have a gui. but i need to run shasum256 -b *.iso   and cant with the gui (that I know of)
[01:28] <tripelb> let me eat cake?
[01:28] <bunnyman13> that sounds good right now @tripelb
[01:28] <tomreyn> pathword: there are different types of VPNs. you may need to find a software which implements the protocol variant / implementation your VPN concentrator uses.
[01:28] <ALowther> I've a laptop running Ubuntu 16.04, plugged into an external monitor. Most of the time I will just be using the external monitor with the laptop closed. However, I want to be able to open/close the laptop without interrupting my session. The issue I seem to be having is that whenever I close the lid to my laptop, it automatically locks & I have to sign back in. Also, the sleep feature doesn't appear to be working with the laptop closed, eve
[01:28] <ALowther> n when I am idle. The external monitor just stays up at the login screen. Any suggestions?
[01:28] <tgm4883> tripelb: in the terminal, type 'mount' and it should show you where it's mounted
[01:28] <tomreyn> pathword: what is you goal in using a VPN?
[01:29] <pathword> i just want to appear on the other side of the world
[01:29] <tomreyn> pathword: so it's about anonymity? or about being part of a remote network?
[01:30] <bunnyman13> @tripelb....um...do you want to run the .iso as a live file...or? sorry i got lost
[01:30] <pragmaticenigma> pathword, OpenVPN is one of the default supported. There is also some support for other types if VPN services.
[01:30] <tripelb> tgm4883: bunnyman13 i am doing an integrity check on the iso i just downloaded
[01:30] <tomreyn> pathword: the VPN provider you are currently using will have documentation on compatible VPN clients.
[01:31] <bunnyman13> oh.....
[01:31] <tgm4883> tripelb: then use the mount command, it will show you where the drive is mounted. Then you can CD to that directory and run the command
[01:32] <bunnyman13> ^^^
[01:32] <bunnyman13> si
[01:32] <pathword> anonymity. Thanks I will look into that first. thank you pragmaticenigma. Ok tomreyn this is where i start to lose my way with the syntax but I'll see what I can work out. I am guessing that a VPN I pay for in windows might not be as good as a default ubuntu one anyway.
[01:32] <tripelb> i looked and that gave me a page of stuff and the only dev/sd* things were both linux mint
[01:33] <tripelb> tgm4883: ^^
[01:33] <bunnyman13> okay so you don't see a 480 GB volume?
[01:34] <tripelb> tgm4883: bunnyman13 I just asked Google if there was some way to do it in Dewey and it said GTKhash is a nifty tool -- so I will try that now
[01:34] <bunnyman13> @fluffi "OLUTION:
[01:34] <bunnyman13> ALL the computer on the network are equiped with a Dameware development mirror driver. This driver helps optimize the performance if the computer is remoted and seems to cohabit with tightvnc. As I don't want to take any chance, I decided to install the tightvnc mirror driver (avaible on their website). AND IT SOLVED MY PROBLEM.
[01:34] <bunnyman13> ( I DID UPDATE MY NETWORK CARD DRIVER )
[01:34] <bunnyman13> Maybe it wasn't the cause, still, the gain it gives is enough to use the computer on tightvnc. W000T. Anyway, I hope to help someone with this post.
[01:34] <bunnyman13> "
[01:34] <bunnyman13> *Solution:
[01:34] <tripelb> bunnyman13: no my output from Mount does not show the size
[01:35] <Jakethepython> Hello Room i know this is not really and Ubuntu question but my network pings fast then lags is there either a group that knows more about networking or someone in here that can help
[01:36] <bunnyman13> jakethepyton....what?
[01:36] <bunnyman13> what do you mean
[01:36] <pragmaticenigma> Jakethepython, the best thing to do is detach all devices from the network. add each one back, individually until you see the behaviour happen again
[01:40] <fluffi> any suggestions left?
[01:41] <tripelb> tgm4883: bunnyman13 i tried lsblk and now I see it is /media/mint/longnumber/  -> is that a directory so I can cd into it?
[01:41] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, looking through the documentation of ROS... you cannot run it on a headless system. It requires a graphics card with OpenGL support. VNC does not work with OpenGL
[01:41] <bunnyman13> damn :D
[01:42] <bunnyman13> @pragmaticenigma :O :D *screams like a little girl *
[01:42] <tripelb> tgm4883: bunnyman13 i tried lsblk and now I see it is /media/mint/longnumber/  -> is that a directory so I can cd into it?  YES
[01:42] <tripelb> THANKS
[01:43] <tomreyn> tripelb: on linux, you need to "mount" file systems before you can access the data store don them. first, you will need to find out what to mount. to do so, you can use the 'lsblk -o NAME,MODEL,LABEL,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT' command.
[01:44] <fluffi> pragmaticenigma we use cuda and a lot of other stuff. headless does not mean without gpu. just no monitor.nothing else.
[01:44] <tomreyn> tripelb: okay i think you can probably ignore what i just wroote, you seem to have it mounted already
[01:44] <tripelb> tgm4883: no problem it was already mounted. no problem I could cd into it
[01:44] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, VNC is not capable of rendering the graphics derived from OpenGL applications.
[01:44] <tripelb> it mounted automatically when I boot it up. I downloaded the iso into that directory.
[01:45] <tripelb> I downloaded the Sha stuff into that directory
[01:45] <pragmaticenigma> fluffi, there are several requests in the software support forum asking about the same things you are here... they were all told it doesn't work
[01:45] <fluffi> pragmaticenigma I know. vnc is just used for a graphical application. no opengl things
[01:47] <tomreyn> fluffi: did you see the stackexchange link i posted earlier?
[01:48] <Auctus> when i hold my finger on the touchpad, the cursor jiggles around, i googled it, but none of those fixes seem to be right
[01:48] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, that's not the issue they're having
[01:49] <fluffi> the virtual monitor thing? I tried a different solution before. but it did not work.
[01:49] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: no, but the 'solution' should work nevertheless IMO
[01:49] <tripelb> tgm4883: bunnyman13  thank allah jove and gaia it matches. eris!
[01:50] <Auctus> whats more, it seems not to be an issue immediately after reboot, but only some time later
[01:50] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, you'd have to go all the way back to the beginning to understand what we're dealing with. fluffi built the machine like a normal computer build, then attempted to remove the monitor and VNC to the machone
[01:51] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, we suggested the link from digital ocean, which did not appear to solve fluffi issue... after researching the software that fluffi is tring to make this run for, it's not a use case that is suitable for VNC
[01:51] <tomreyn> fluffi: yes, a virtual monitor. based on the few non bug ubuntu reports i found (i did not find a matchingubuntu bug report (on launchpad.net) based on your description, yet), a virtual monitor has helped people who had issues with changes in physical monitors impacting their VNC connections.
[01:52] <pragmaticenigma> the application that fluffi is running is meant to run on a fully functional computer that has its own monitor and graphics card. It requires OpenGL support witch the XVNC driver does nothave supoprt for
[01:52] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: i think i followed the entire conversation, thanks
[01:53] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: i think the use case is perfectly fine.
[01:53] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, it's in their documentation, it isn't supported ... why is that hard to believe
[01:53] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, no reason to be condescending either
[01:54] <bunnyman13> dude the device you are running ubuntu on is clocked at 1.6 GHz....it's a celeron....
[01:54] <fluffi> pragmaticenigma my software is not the problem. vnc just has to transfer some graphic configuration tools. no 3d opengl stuff
[01:54] <bunnyman13> A CECLERON!
[01:54] <bunnyman13> *CELERON
[01:54] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: my understanding is that fluffi is trying to connect,t rhought he vnc protocol, form a system running ROS (and a VNC client) to his headless ubuntu server, which is supposed to run a graphical application (but not 3d acelerated), to execute CUDA instrcutions.
[01:55] <bunnyman13> Intel® Celeron® Processor N3160 base frequency 1.6 Ghz......
[01:55] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: sorry if my response felt condescending, i did not meant it this way. i hope it gets clearer with my previous reponse.
[01:56] <tomreyn> bunnyman13: what would be the problem with this?
[01:56] <pragmaticenigma> this is the first I heard of anything requiring CUDA... I'm done supporting this, fluffi best of luck to ya, I'm out
[01:56] <bunnyman13> @tomreyn sorry that was for fluffi
[01:57] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: sorry if i annoyed you, did not mean to. see you!
[01:57] <fluffi> pragmaticenigma but my problem is vnc and ubuntu not cuda
[01:58] <fluffi> pragmaticenigma anyway thanks for the help
[01:58] <tomreyn> bunnyman13: i see. but wven then, i don't see an issue with running ubuntu on this hardware.
[01:59] <bunnyman13> ubuntu...vnc...and a robotics program on a celeron....
[02:00] <tomreyn> fluffi: can you be more specific than "does not work"? you said this a few times, that's not very useful in debugging issues.
[02:01] <fluffi> bunnyman13 good point, I like it. but I can tell you the celeron is way beyond which is installed in industrial robots this kind of.
[02:01] <tomreyn> fluffi: i.e. check Xorg + xsession-errors logs on the ubuntu system, and maybe dmesg, too
[02:01] <kostkon> bunnyman13, new celeron https://ark.intel.com/products/91831/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N3160-2M-Cache-up-to-2_24-GHz  4 cores 16 threads not that bad
[02:01] <kostkon> probably 4 threads..
[02:02] <fluffi> its actually really good
[02:02] <bunnyman13> yea 4 cores 4 threads
[02:02] <bunnyman13> hmm weird...idk what would handle the turbo
[02:02] <bunnyman13> The OS (driver) or bios
[02:04] <bunnyman13> hmmm idk
[02:04] <bunnyman13> I personally stay away from celerons and atoms and pentiums....
[02:06] <bunnyman13> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1420193
[02:08] <fluffi> any suggestions for my problem? no?
[02:09] <bunnyman13> idk fluffi, i'm sorry...i think honestly...it's the box hardware...
[02:09] <bunnyman13> but i get your frustration
[02:13] <fluffi> bunnyman13 sorry, but it is so damn f***ing not the box hardware. It is a general problem with vnc in ubuntu. I expected a lot with linux. Wlan usb device device not working and so on. but vnc? even that is corrupted. and not with "my box". ac. the net, everyone has this problem. but anyway, thanks for the help
[02:13] <tomreyn> fluffi: it's not clear what the problem is, on a technical elvel. so i doubt anyone could help.
[02:14] <tripelb> question. I'm booting up on the latest mint 18.3 and it does not and I said not see the Windows 7 partition. so I abandoned the installation and started up gparted.  ->   the driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes but Linux says it is 512 bytes. that's how gparted says hello. -More.....
[02:14] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | tripelb
[02:14] <tripelb> ..... what does that mean? am I doomed? -- what I was told to do was to shrink the windows partition make free space reboot and then and do the installation.  (who told me? Some web page when I looked up such problems) I really appreciate some more help thanks
[02:14] <bunnyman13> @fluffi how about this move the hard drive to another box (intel) and i promise you all your "issues" will be resolved, don't hate linux hate the crappy box you put it on, maybe get some decent hardware
[02:15] <bunnyman13> I'm telling you with experience it's the box, take it or leave it
[02:15] <fluffi> bunnyman13 it is intel I use....
[02:15] <tripelb> I said mint. if ubuntu 18.04 was stable I would be using that
[02:15] <tomreyn> tripelb: sorry, wrong factoid
[02:15] <tomreyn> !mint | tripelb
[02:15] <bunnyman13> like i said, another intel box
[02:16] <bunnyman13> like a i5 or a intel core 2 duo at leasr
[02:16] <bunnyman13> *least
[02:16] <fluffi> bunnyman13 the internet is full of my problem, but with no real solution. its not a hardware thing
[02:16] <tripelb> OB Narrow.. I'm just a girl who is stuck
[02:16] <tripelb> #mint is empty
[02:17] <bunnyman13> because they are just like you blaming it on linux and not the hardware
[02:17] <tomreyn> tripelb: that doesn't make us responsible supporting your non ubuntu OS
[02:17] <fluffi> sorry its a problem with vnc, it has absolutely nothing to do with hardware
[02:19] <tripelb> tomreyn: nope. when will18.04 happen?
[02:19] <tomreyn> tripelb: 18 stands for 2018, 04 stands for april.
[02:19] <bunnyman13> so you are going to tell me with a straight face...your celeron will run Ubuntu 16.04, VNC, and a Robotic program? on 1.6 Ghz....not to mention no Graphics card....
[02:20] <Bashing-om> tripelb: 18.04 seems stable to me .. I have no issues . Join #ubuntu+1 for additional info .
[02:21] <tripelb> ok Bashing-om
[02:21] <fluffi> bunnyman13 first of all, the celeron is one of the newest kind, not the old ones. second, all the other stuff is irrelevant. its just ubunut and vnc
[02:21] <fluffi> its absolutley irrelevant witch ght it has and whatever
[02:21] <fluffi> ghz
[02:21] <fluffi> come on, this is shit talk, sorry
[02:22] <bunnyman13> you are mad man, figure it out on your own, it's simple computing now,
[02:22] <bunnyman13> all that shit won't run on a 1.6 ghz processor,
[02:22] <bunnyman13> Windows 7 bearly runs on a celeron
[02:23] <bunnyman13> and i bet you, you are running the box on 2 or 4 Gb of RAM
[02:23] <fluffi> come on you dont even know what is running on it. to be honest, it is something which could do a 10 year old cpu
[02:24] <fluffi> and that is all not the point, i am just here for ubuntu and vnc, and i see, i wasted another hours of my life for linux with no result. like always.
[02:24] <bunnyman13> you're an idiot
[02:24] <fluffi> thanks, you too.
[02:25] <tomreyn> :) love!
[02:25] <pathword> Hello, I asked this in lubuntu but not sure if anyone else has spoken in there for a while. Is creating a server for ubuntu 16.04 likely to work for lubuntu 17.10.1? end goal : setting up an OpenVPN server on lubuntu.
[02:26] <Bashing-om> pathword: Best practice, servers belong on a LTS release .
[02:26] <tomreyn> pathword: i'm not sure i'm getting your question. if you are asking whether you can setup an openvpn server on 17.10, then the answer is yes. but i also think you should use LTS.
[02:26] <pathword> Right.
[02:26] <bunnyman13> yea i would use LTS
[02:27] <pathword> I found an online tutorial so maybe if I follow this first and it does / doesn't work then I will be able to make sure I get a LTS.
[02:27] <fluffi> my last few words. please record it: ubuntu is a piece if crap. and will always be. Thanks!
[02:28] <bunnyman13> man that guy was a piece of work, wants to run the world on shit hardware
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> !language | bunnyman13
[02:28] <tomreyn> pathword: so, putting this into context, i'm guessing that you are now considering to rent a VPS somewhere and run an openvpn server there and connect to that form your ubuntu desktop, with the goal of accessing the internet with your home IP address hidden?
[02:28] <bunnyman13> my apologies
[02:28] <bunnyman13> @pragmaticenigma, that made me extremely angry
[02:29] <pathword> no, openvpn appears to be free
[02:29] <pathword> foss
[02:29] <pathword> yes i need my home IP address hidden
[02:29] <pragmaticenigma> I sympathize bunnyman13 ... had been dealing with them since 2 PM central daylight time
[02:30] <bunnyman13> but do you agree?
[02:30] <bunnyman13> a celetron
[02:30] <bunnyman13> found out it's not even turbo'd
[02:30] <bunnyman13> its bursted...
[02:30] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, no... PM me and we can debate?
[02:30] <bunnyman13> 1.6 GHZ
[02:31] <tomreyn> pathword: okay maybe i should say this differently: to setup a VPN where you can hide the IP address of your home while accessing the internet, you need an openserver at one location (which you or a service provider manages, like the service you were using previously), and you also need the client on your desktop computer. only toegtehr you get what you are trying to achieve.
[02:31] <bunnyman13> I think i'm going to let that one go, iv
[02:31] <bunnyman13> *i've ben migrating Microsoft Server 2003 to 2016 all day and night since yesterday
[02:32] <pragmaticenigma> pathword, I meant to say this earlier but I think you hopped off... There are several VPN providers that support linux. You should check with your current VPN provider to see if they provided support for linux. if they don't, you can easily find another provider that does
[02:32] <bunnyman13> @tomreyn.....tor
[02:32] <pathword> i can't use tor for everything as some websites need cookies
[02:32] <pathword> and i've tried to get cloaks on irc but given up on that one
[02:32] <bunnyman13> hmm...
[02:33] <pathword> i liked being based in europe it had heaps of advantages for me
[02:33] <tomreyn> bunnyman13: yes, that would also work, i was also thinking about suggesting it. tor provides stronger anonymity at lower average performance.
[02:33] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, Intel only actually makes a couple processors. When processors do not meet certain specs they burn off the parts that don't work and reclassify it. Basically, they only make an i7, they burn off a part and it becomes an i5, or further burn off makes an i3, futher more makes a pentium, further byond that makes a celeron
[02:34] <pragmaticenigma> it's an over simplified example, but it get the general idea across
[02:34] <tomreyn> pathword: okay, so if you're willing to spend time on setting this up, then i suggest you rent a cheap enough VM in europe, and setup an openvpn server there, and and openvpn client on your computer (that part is really easy, the server part is more difficult).
[02:35] <pathword> even for ubuntu, man
[02:35] <bunnyman13> i just remember trying to use a celeron work purchased for me (before computer engineering) and Windows 7 was horrific on it, even with a SSD
[02:35] <pathword> i've already paid for one that might work
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> pathword, I think your best bet is to shop around and find a provider that supports linux. they will have the instructions on how to get setup on their network
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, yes, that is because celeron is the lowest "grade" version of the pentium class processors (i7 or i8 being the highest)
[02:36] <bunnyman13> *i9
[02:36] <bunnyman13> then xeon
[02:36] <bunnyman13> *backwards
[02:36] <bunnyman13> sorry now it's
[02:36] <bunnyman13> xeon then i9
[02:36] <bunnyman13> actually xeon might be on it's own class now
[02:36] <pragmaticenigma> xeon I think is a different architecture... don't remember
[02:37] <bunnyman13> well xeon used to be the next step up from i7 (might still be) difference support ECC  Hypervisor Virtualization and a few other things....but that i9 man....
[02:38] <pragmaticenigma> anyways it's semantics. but celerons are great for single purpose machines. I still use a 2004 celeron for modern things like DNS server or a testing configuration ideas before installing on my main computer
[02:38] <bunnyman13> what os are you running on it
[02:40] <pragmaticenigma> I've run everything up to Window 8.1 on it. Usually it runs Lubuntu, though i've been trying resolve a display issue with power saving
[02:40] <pragmaticenigma> so at the moment it is running centos 6.9
[02:41] <bunnyman13> lubuntu is nice light weight, centos is light weight too, Ubuntu is the clunky one. I feel like the Ubuntu server is perfect i love the server edition
[02:42] <bunnyman13> i've been having to use centos 7 for work and wow....it's a curve learning
[02:49] <wahyu> hello
[02:49] <bunnyman13> hi
[02:51] <pragmaticenigma> I started on Redhat, centos is oldhat
[02:52] <pragmaticenigma> that was a short visit
[02:52] <bunnyman13> lol
[02:52] <pragmaticenigma> I think Ubuntu moving back to Gnome and Xserver (until wayland picks up the pace) will help lighten things up
[02:52] <bunnyman13> lol
[02:53] <bunnyman13> honestly before Linux (Ubuntu) I was a die hard Mac OS X fan...oh how I love OS X 10.6 *starts to cry*
[02:58] <Budgii> you could have both..
[02:59] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntu is life! haha
[03:00] <tripelb> Question: ubuntu 16.04 does not see my win 7 installation. i want to install a double boot.
[03:00] <bunnyman13> yup i found ubuntu i was like :D a perfect OS
[03:00] <G33kDad>   pragmaticenigma I've been using 18.04 with wayland/gnome and its been doing great
[03:00] <donofrio> bunnyman13, I have Windows 10 with ubuntu - build guide at http://www.tinyurl.com/donofrio1804 (I use windows 10 as a 15 gb bootloader - lol)
[03:00] <donofrio> (skip unneeded onedrive login jazz)
[03:00] <bunnyman13> you guys are awesome! this is what Linux is about, sharing :D
[03:01] <pragmaticenigma> tripelb, is your machine UEFI enabled?
[03:01] <bunnyman13> being a community
[03:01] <deb> a123456
[03:03] <G33kDad> bunnyman13: +1 on the community bit
[03:04] <pragmaticenigma> tripelb, is ubuntu already installed and you no longer can access win7?
[03:05] <donofrio> I run the channel ##windows-subsystem-for-linux for all that want to chat about it.... ;)
[03:05] <tripelb> pragmaticenigma: there is only windows of the lost passwords. this computer is from a neighbor. i dont want to get into the morassnof reinstalling windows.
[03:06] <bunnyman13> wha?
[03:07] <pragmaticenigma> tripelb, that didn't make a lot of sense... would you mind rephrasing that?
[03:22] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, ubuntu isn't without faults though. I'm hoping Unity and Mir are marked as the dark ages for Ubuntu
[03:22] <pragmaticenigma> I never understood the reason for blazing a new trail, when so much was already available and widely supported
[03:23] <alpesh> hello
[03:23] <bunnyman13> i understand but i kinda liked Unity, but it was damn clunky
[03:34] <Slackin> n #customcomputershop
[03:36] <pragmaticenigma> Slackin, I think you're join got mixed up a little there
[03:36] <pragmaticenigma> ugh
[03:37] <pragmaticenigma> having trouble with contractions... think it's time for sleep
[03:37] <bunnyman13> have a good evening sir,
[03:43] <pragmaticenigma> sir?
[03:47] <bunnyman13> or ma'am
[03:47] <bunnyman13> sowwy,
[03:47] <pragmaticenigma> let's go with friend
[03:47] <bunnyman13> wait contractions...oh congrats
[03:47] <pragmaticenigma> ha
[03:48] <pragmaticenigma> speaking on the definition: a word or group of words resulting from shortening an original form
[03:50] <bunnyman13> this sucks im 20, and i'm stuck at work :/ this was suppose to be a 9 to 5 but it's been a 8am to 7am and then a 4pm to I think at least 10 PM tonight...damn you Windows
[03:50] <bunnyman13> on a Saturday :(
[03:50] <on3pk> bunnyman13, where do you work?
[03:51] <bunnyman13> I work in whittier for a MSP, but we do a bunch of stuff here
[03:51] <bunnyman13> i'm a jr system admin
[03:51] <bunnyman13> and it sucks
[03:53] <on3pk> So what I'm reading is, never become a sys admin.  I like that advice.
[03:53] <bunnyman13> yea :/
[03:53] <bunnyman13> I 2nd that
[03:53] <on3pk> OR maybe since I do nothing on Saturdays anyway, I'd be the best sys admin ever.
[03:53] <bunnyman13> the network admins are truly the king
[03:56] <Ashley_> Ok, I have a touchpad on this HP that is maddening. I want to disable it permanently. The following works but the touchpad is re-enabled after reboot: xinput set-prop 13 "Device Enabled" 0
[03:56] <bunnyman13> doesn't even pay good
[03:56] <Ashley_> Can someone walk me through how to add that to a script that runs on startup? Sort of a newb here
[03:56] <sere> dont they kinda do the same thing though.. or atleast the admins do the same lol
[03:56] <Ashley_> Using Lubuntu by the way.
[03:57] <bunnyman13> http://smallbusiness.chron.com/run-command-startup-linux-27796.html
[03:57] <bunnyman13> @Ashley
[03:58] <bunnyman13> sere, what sucks is system admins need to know both networking and system (windows mac linux) but network admin just needs Cisco IOS and their other networking knowledge
[03:58] <on3pk> bunnyman13, :(
[03:58] <sere> bunnyman13: oh ok makes since.. when i was younger i would help my dad do everything like that.. he was an admin.. poor guy lol
[03:59] <bunnyman13> dude it sucks...
[03:59] <bunnyman13> oh and VMWARE!
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> stay ontop please guys
[04:00] <bunnyman13> I build servers and program OS's and honestly...I like it just wish it wasn't a MSP lol
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> !ot | bunnyman13
[04:01] <bunnyman13> wha?
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> bunnyman13: this channel is for ubuntu support only, not general chat
[04:01] <bunnyman13> aww...okay
[04:02] <bunnyman13> :(
[04:02] <sere> lotuspsychje: thanks for the help man :)
[04:02] <sere> lotuspsychje: wait not you
[04:02] <sere> bunnyman13: thank YOU! :)
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> bunnyman13: we have a nice #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:04] <bunnyman13> thanks sere, I'll be here a little while longer, fun to talk about ubuntu and linux while i do this migration
[04:12] <stormy_daniels> Hey, 16.04 is blowing out my /dev/sda1 partition and it's messing up apt-get
[04:13] <u0_a113> hey guys
[04:14] <u0_a113> exit
[04:16] <bunnyman13> @stormy_daniels what?
[04:18] <stormy_daniels> bunnyman13: any time I run `apt-get install` anything it tries to install linux-image-4.13.0-37-generic and stuff like that
[04:18] <stormy_daniels> and I get the error `gzip: stdout: No space left on device`
[04:19] <stormy_daniels> what's more my boot parition is at `/dev/sda1    472M  416M   33M  93% /boot`
[04:19] <stormy_daniels> What do I do?
[04:19] <stormy_daniels> this has happened before, this channel helped me out of it, but I don't know if I should a. expand that partition or 2. do some cleanup procedures
[04:19] <stormy_daniels> is it as easy as `apt-get autoremove`?
[04:19] <pragmaticenigma> stormy_daniels, try clean up procedures first
[04:20] <pragmaticenigma> yes stormy_daniels autoremove will help remove the old kernels
[04:20] <bunnyman13> 427 MB....wow....i would expand
[04:21] <stormy_daniels> k, the disks utility doesn't give me that. is it just regular fdisk stuff?
[04:21] <Ashley_> What is ^X to Exit?
[04:21] <Gedem_X9> Hi, I installed Ubuntu studio 14.04 and my headphone doens't work
[04:21] <stormy_daniels> Ashley_: ctrl+X?
[04:21] <stormy_daniels> Ashley_: ah, you're using nano
[04:22] <Ashley_> I'm creating a crontab
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> !sound | Gedem_X9
[04:22] <Ashley_> Had no idea what the ^ meant
[04:22] <stormy_daniels> Ashley_: yeah that was super confusing
[04:22] <stormy_daniels> but I like how once you realize that `^` is the ctrl key, then it's strait-forward
[04:22] <Gedem_X9> !sound
[04:23] <Ashley_> yeah sorry
[04:23] <stormy_daniels> NP, thanks for asking
[04:24] <Gedem_X9> I open alsamixer and don't have the volume of headphone
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> Gedem_X9: did you check sudo lshw -C sound if your driver is loaded?
[04:26] <Cthulchu> hey folks, I need help with libpq-dev
[04:27] <Cthulchu> I do `sudo apt-get install libpq-dev` and get: libpq-dev : Depends: libssl-dev but it is not going to be installed
[04:27] <Cthulchu> how do I install libpq-dev?
[04:27] <Gedem_X9> lotuspsychje, yes it is loaded
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Gedem_X9: wich module driver= ?
[04:29] <tripelb> tgm4883: bunnyman13 tomreyn  update: decided to overwrite windows. both mints failed. 16.04 succeeded.  -- thus I demonstrated (whats the word? it mean tough, adaptable and can survive) Yay Ubintu.
[04:30] <Flannel> Cthulchu: Can you please pastebint the output of `apt-cache policy libpq-dev libssl-dev libpq5 libssl1.0.0`
[04:30] <tripelb> ubuntu 16.04
[04:30] <Cthulchu> I will
[04:30] <Gedem_X9> descrição: Audio device
[04:30] <Gedem_X9>        produto: MCP61 High Definition Audio
[04:30] <Gedem_X9>        fabricante: NVIDIA Corporation
[04:30] <Gedem_X9>        ID físico: 5
[04:30] <Gedem_X9>        informações do barramento: pci@0000:00:05.0
[04:30] <Gedem_X9>        versão: a2
[04:30] <Ashley_> This is ticking me off. I'm trying to save a startup.sh file in /etc/init.d/  and I'm getting "Can't open file to write"
[04:31] <Flannel> Ashley_: When you started nano, did you use sudo?
[04:31] <Cthulchu> Flannel, https://pastebin.com/G1c0Q60N
[04:32] <tripelb> windows resisted diacovery w/16.04 & 2 mints. . . gpartex couldnt read  device unit length. updateded to overwrite windows. both mints failed. 16.04 succeeded.  -- thus I demonstrated (whats the word? it mean tough, adaptable and can survive) Yay Ubuntu!
[04:32] <tripelb> sorry
[04:32] <Ashley_> Flannel: Yes
[04:33] <Ashley_> I just opened Leafpad, entered the command and tried to save.
[04:33] <tripelb> i am waiting for the beaver.
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> Gedem_X9: ok looks loaded indeed, wich ubuntu flavor are you on?
[04:33] <Flannel> Cthulchu: You're running debian, so you should ask the folks in #debian
[04:33] <Flannel> Cthulchu: I'm sure they'll be able to help you, and they'll likely need that same pastebin.
[04:33] <Cthulchu> Flannel, thank you. Sorry for that.
[04:33] <Flannel> Cthulchu: No worries.
[04:34] <Gedem_X9> Ubuntu Studio 14.04.05
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> Gedem_X9: did you doublecheck all sound options as the trigger mentioned?
[04:35] <stormy_daniels> Hey guys, do you know how to configure the /etc/pam.d to allow EITHER a password OR the pam_yubico.so module?
[04:35] <Gedem_X9> Gedem_X9, yes
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> !info pavucontrol | Gedem_X9 perhaps try this?
[04:36] <Ashley_> So I can't simply copy a file from the desktop (startup.sh) to /etc/init.d?
[04:36] <Gedem_X9> Yes I tried
[04:37] <stormy_daniels> so I've got `auth sufficient pam_yubico.so id=XXXXX debug` in my gdm files
[04:38] <Flannel> Ashley_: You can, but you need to use sudo when copying.
[04:40] <RonWhoCares> Guys how do I know if there is a package containing pyNeighborhood
[04:41] <Gedem_X9> lotuspsychje, my headphones are plugged and in appears unplugged
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> RonWhoCares: you can search apt-cache search your-package from your terminal
[04:44] <stormy_daniels> RonWhoCares: do you know of pip?
[04:46] <andportnoy> Hi all!
[04:47] <stormy_daniels> guys, does anyone know anything about configuring gdm?
[04:48] <pragmaticenigma> stormy_daniels, what are you trying to configure ?
[04:49] <Ashley_> This is insane. The following command works to disable the touchpad UNTIL I reboot: xinput set-prop 13 "Device Enabled" 0...So I have tried creating a crontab using @reboot xinput set-prop 13 "Device Enabled"...that didn't work. So I then created a startup.sh file and placed it in /etc/init.d and THAT didn't work. I've reached an impasse.
[04:49] <stormy_daniels> pragmaticenigma: I'm trying to add pam_yubico.so as an optional authentication method
[04:49] <stormy_daniels> pragmaticenigma: however, right now it's asking for my password, and THEN my yubikey auth
[04:50] <stormy_daniels> so it's in series now, I'd like be able to choose either password OR yubikey
[04:50] <stormy_daniels> also, I don't know the difference between gdm-launch-environment gdm-password and gdm-autologin
[04:50] <pragmaticenigma> I thought yubi key was for 2 factor, meaning you have to use your password and yubi key
[04:51] <stormy_daniels> Hmm. that would make sense then
[04:51] <stormy_daniels> however, I have 2 yubikeys
[04:51] <stormy_daniels> do you know if being able to authenticate against 2 yubi IDs is possible?
[04:52] <pragmaticenigma> i'm not too familiar with yubikeys... I just know that it's used for 2 factor authentication to aid in making sure the user both "knows" the password and "has" a key
[04:53] <pragmaticenigma> Ashley_, init.d is really meant for starting daemons on boot. I'm not sure that's the right location for a script
[04:54] <pragmaticenigma> Ashley_, have you seen this ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/814/how-to-run-scripts-on-start-up
[04:56] <Ashley_> I was using this: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/run-command-startup-linux-27796.html Will look at that now
[04:57] <Gedem_X9> !sound
[04:58] <pragmaticenigma> Ashley_, it's an alright article but I tend to use articles and how to's that don't specify the version or distro, as a last resort
[05:04] <Ashley_> pragmaticenigma: I don't understand the suggestion there. This is the command that works: xinput set-prop 13 "Device Enabled" 0 Plus, that suggestion is five years old
[05:05] <iiik> emm
[05:06] <stormy_daniels> pragmaticenigma. Hmm, I'm having trouble finding yubikey+pin login options anywhere.
[05:06] <stormy_daniels> I saw a 2009 article saying they'd get one that
[05:07] <pragmaticenigma> Ashley_, I'm not sure then. I haven't had to have a script run on boot like that
[05:08] <pragmaticenigma> stormy_daniels, really not too familiar with that area. is there anything in the documentation on yubico's website?
[05:09] <pragmaticenigma> or anything in /usr/share/doc/libpam-yubico/README.Debian stormy_daniels ?
[05:09] <stormy_daniels> pragmaticenigma: just for 2fa logins
[05:09] <stormy_daniels> https://developers.yubico.com/yubico-pam/ I found this
[05:12] <stormy_daniels> I might want to shoot the yubico guys an e mail to see if they have that validation up because i'm having a hard time seeing if that's the case, lol
[05:12] <pragmaticenigma> sounds like a good idea stormy_daniels
[05:13] <stormy_daniels> kk. thanks. I'm sure it's out there I just can't find it ^.^
[05:17] <RonWhoCares> Could someone look at this: https://askubuntu.com/q/1016900/453336
[05:29] <Guest64350> did anyone had any luck getting Ericsson F5521GW work under linux
[05:44] <skishore86> Hi All
[05:44] <skishore86> Bluetooth is not working on my Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[05:44] <skishore86> can somebody help me
[05:45] <skishore86> Bluetooth: Ralink corp. RT3290 Bluetooth
[05:45] <skishore86> that is my driver
[05:46] <r00ter> and whats is the exact chip?
[05:46] <skishore86> I am not aware of what you are asking
[05:46] <descuidado> my monitor kind of malfunctions, sometimes the display is correctly set, and sometimes it doesnt, is it possible to make some sort of configuration on ubuntu that makes it permanent?
[05:46] <skishore86> I did lspci and got that info
[05:47] <descuidado> for example, if i run xrandr the resolution i need is set, howver its not permanent
[05:48] <skishore86> @r00ter ...are you asking me?
[05:48] <r00ter> skishore86 jep
[05:48] <r00ter> you said "this is my driver" but what is the exact chipset
[05:48] <r00ter> mybe the driver dosent fit the bt chipset
[05:50] <skishore86> r00ter  I did some reasearch and found that it is known problem from 2012
[05:50] <skishore86> https://askubuntu.com/questions/778615/ralink-rt-3290-bluetooth-problem-on-ubuntu-16-04
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> alot of issues with ralink and ubuntu
[05:51] <skishore86> I did what all was given in that site.. but no luck
[05:55] <r00ter> create a new thread on askubuntu, with full systeminfo and wait for help, refering to the info you found already. from time to time post the thread here, things like this take some time i guess.
[06:01] <skishore86> r00ter sure
[06:01] <skishore86> will do that
[06:04] <r00ter> fyi, i do have here 8 laptops, wifi / ethernet / onboard gpu issues with ubuntu, debian and windows. i feel your pain.
[06:30] <antimist> Need help with the Nvidia drivers on 17.10
[06:30] <antimist> note XOrg
[06:30] <antimist> I have it installed
[06:31] <antimist> version 387
[06:31] <antimist> but when I login, lightdm doesn't work
[06:31] <antimist> no login screen
[06:31] <antimist> or whatever
[06:31] <antimist> I see that the driver is enabled
[06:32] <antimist> and this is on a UEFI system
[06:32] <antimist> with a custom signed module
[06:33] <antimist> any help?
[06:38] <Himanshujha19964> Hello everyone, I recently build and booted the latest kernel for testing and switched back to the original distribution kernel. I switch back and forth between the kernels for testing. But when I issue an update command, the initramfs starts updating of the latest kernel and not the *distribution generic* one !
[06:40] <Himanshujha19964> How can I configure the behavior so that whenever I issue update command, only the *distribution generic* version gets updated and not the kernel version I build for testing purpose.
[06:55] <torea> Hey guys, I tried the ppa for communitheme and I like it. Should i want to use it permanently, is it ok to just use the ppa?
[06:58] <illuminated> is there a shell scripting channel or do you ask your shell scripting questions in like here or #linux?
[07:01] <sima> I woudl like to ensure that when system is updated, GRUB is installed (and updated) on partition instead of the MBR.
[07:01] <sima> OR to add update of GRUB on partition, beside updating on MBR.
[07:02] <sima> I would like to avoid doing "chattr +i /boot/grub/i386-pc/core.img" because if done like that, after every kernel update, i need to chattr -i and then reinstall GRUB manually.
[07:03] <sima> I had situation the other day (GRUB menu fix landed) of unbootable ssytem, because I had set chattr +i
[07:04] <sima> In the long term, I would like GRUB to always boot from partition and it to be updated when kernel updates. (will be using OtherOS boot manager in MBR)
[07:05] <sima> So, where is the system line that does GRUB updates when kernel does update, and can I change it to behave like I want?
[07:34] <qz1> There is new v. of BIOS for my Lenovo laptop V110. Change is "For PCR, Update MCU 0xC2 for SKL platform" - anyone know what does it mean. Is it worth to upgrade BIOS for it ?
[07:36] <dolapevich> Quick question: ~20 Ubuntu workstations -> Apt-cacher-ng or squid-deb-proxy ¿? Cast your votes!
[07:37] <mateothegreat> just 20? meh save the headache ^_^
[07:37] <mateothegreat> squid for sure!
[07:38] <dolapevich> Yeah, well, bandwidth is an scarce resource at this parts...
[07:38] <dolapevich> Squid +1... gotcha... anyone else?
[07:39] <mateothegreat> you're tellin me.. I'm in a hotel .. they cap each connection .. I have 4 usb wifi sticks & aggregate links over vpn -=x
[07:43] <CoolerX> hi
[07:43] <CoolerX> i can't execute 32 bit elf on 64 bit ubuntu
[07:43] <CoolerX> https://askubuntu.com/questions/454253/how-to-run-32-bit-app-in-ubuntu-64-bit
[07:44] <CoolerX> followed that and still can't
[07:44] <CoolerX> -bash: ./start: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
[07:45] <dolapevich> CoolerX: Are you sure it is an i386 binary? what does file and ldd says about it?
[07:46] <CoolerX> start: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped
[07:47] <CoolerX> and yes i have execute perms and i own it
[07:47] <CoolerX> i set perms to 755 anyway
[07:48] <dolapevich> and what does ldd says?
[07:48] <CoolerX>   not a dynamic executable
[07:49] <CoolerX> its statically linked
[07:49] <CoolerX> so it doesn't require anything
[07:50] <dolapevich> Right, odd...
[07:50] <dolapevich> What are you trying to run?
[07:50] <CoolerX> dolapevich, you can get the elf here https://pwnable.tw/static/chall/start
[07:50] <dolapevich> checking
[07:51] <CoolerX> if i do sudo ./start then i get  https://pwnable.tw/static/chall/start
[07:51] <CoolerX> oops wrong this
[07:51] <CoolerX> thing*
[07:51] <CoolerX> ./start: 1: ./start: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
[07:51] <CoolerX> i get that 6
[07:51] <CoolerX> ^*
[07:51] <CoolerX> all of the typos
[07:55] <dolapevich> CoolerX: it is working in a vm over here.
[07:55] <dolapevich> $ strace ./start
[07:55] <dolapevich> execve("./start", ["./start"], [/* 29 vars */]) = 0
[07:55] <dolapevich> strace: [ Process PID=1666 runs in 32 bit mode. ]
[07:55] <dolapevich> write(1, "Let's start the CTF:", 20Let's start the CTF:)    = 20
[07:55] <dolapevich> read(0,
[07:55] <CoolerX> dolapevich, i am using wsl
[07:55] <CoolerX> i am on windows 10 with wsl ubuntu 64
[07:56] <dolapevich> Testing after kick
[07:56] <CoolerX> should i report this as a bug?
[07:57] <CoolerX> dolapevich, use https://paste.pound-python.org
[07:58] <dolapevich> CoolerX: do you read me?
[07:59] <CoolerX> dolapevich, yeah i can read you
[07:59] <CoolerX> wsl is windows subsystem for linux
[08:00] <CoolerX> it gives you a linux environment inside windows
[08:00] <dolapevich> Yeah, I read about it, no clue mate.
[08:00] <dolapevich> Who would want linux in whindows... :P
[08:01] <dolapevich> in a native ubuntu box that binary run ok, is asking about CTF.
[08:02] <CoolerX> dolapevich, yeah i will try a vm
[08:02] <CoolerX> but virtualbox is so slow
[08:02] <CoolerX> i only have 4 GB total
[08:03] <dolapevich> Just install lubuntu or xubuntu on it, and be done :)
[08:03] <CoolerX> i do have it
[08:03] <CoolerX> its just slow
[08:03] <dolapevich> Virtualbox is not slow, I just installed from network an ubuntu vm and tested your binary on it.
[08:03] <CoolerX> so i prefer wsl
[08:04] <dolapevich> well, find a wsl forum then :)
[08:04] <CoolerX> dolapevich, well you probably have more RAM than me
[08:04] <dolapevich> 4 Gbytes too.
[08:04] <dolapevich> in a D630 from 2007... :-P
[08:04] <dolapevich> Come on..
[08:04] <CoolerX> i have 1 GB allocated for ubuntu vm
[08:05] <dolapevich> Closing the voting on apt-cacher-ng versus squid... if no other voices, squid it is.
[08:07] <dolapevich> CoolerX: I am talking you on private.
[08:24] <bing> hello where is folder for intel modules for graphics
[08:29] <SPF> everytime I start Ubuntu I get a popup "software updates available". But when I click install, nothing happens.
[08:29] <SPF> if I check manually with apt, there's no software updates available
[08:36] <ducasse> bing: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko
[08:39] <CoolerX> someone please help https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/dQDW1WOpW0FAEFux9Qgm/
[08:39] <CoolerX> i think its a background process locking it to do updates
[08:39] <CoolerX> what do i do? do i track down and kill the process
[08:39] <CoolerX> do i wait till eternity for the thing to unlock?
[08:40] <CoolerX> will i corrupt the os if i track down + kill
[08:40] <SPF> CoolerX: you can try lsof | grep dpkg
[08:41] <ducasse> CoolerX: is this wsl?
[08:41] <CoolerX> SPF, https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/C0R62MeUyweojSSaN61p/
[08:41] <CoolerX> ducasse, no dude its virtualbox
[08:42] <bing> thanks ducasse
[08:43] <CoolerX> will i corrupt the os if i track down + kill
[08:43] <CoolerX> i already did track + kill once before, didn't end well
[08:43] <CoolerX> i keep getting errors "the system is corrupted/broken" or whatever
[08:43] <CoolerX> when i login
[08:44] <CoolerX> i just click ok and ignore them
[08:44] <ducasse> CoolerX: are you sure you don't have a program open that holds that lock, like software updater or synaptic?
[08:46] <SPF> CoolerX: if lsof does not list any process using the lock file, it's safe to remove the lock file
[08:46] <CoolerX> ducasse, i just posted that https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/C0R62MeUyweojSSaN61p/
[08:46] <CoolerX> SPF, how to do
[08:46] <CoolerX> rm
[08:46] <SPF> yes
[08:46] <CoolerX> rm -r /
[08:47] <SPF> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[08:47] <SPF> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:47] <SPF> and
[08:47] <SPF> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[08:48] <CoolerX> thank you
[08:48] <CoolerX> sunny jim boyya
[08:52] <bing> what is  tumblrd process ?
[08:54] <CoolerX> SPF, ok we are back were we started
[08:54] <CoolerX> i did sudo apt-get install git
[08:54] <CoolerX> that worked
[08:54] <CoolerX> then this happened
[08:55] <CoolerX> https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/LxWXNrs0MQM1JZy5hPd6/
[08:56] <CoolerX> what is doing this and why
[08:56] <CoolerX> do they just want to troll ne
[08:56] <CoolerX> me continously
[08:56] <bazhang> CoolerX, what do you mean
[08:57] <CoolerX> just read the paste
[08:57] <bazhang> was the exact package named 'git'
[08:58] <CoolerX> yes
[09:04] <ducasse> bing: if you mean 'tumblerd', see 'apt show tumbler'
[09:05] <bing> thankd ducass but is it a tracker like cache ?
[09:06] <bing> does ubuntu tracks user use info etc  like windows does ?
[09:09] <SPF> CoolerX: what does dmesg say?
[09:10] <CoolerX> SPF, https://paste.pound-python.org/raw/vH2wpSXUTL000SxDuOHr/
[09:12] <SPF> CoolerX: can you remove the lock files again and run apt-get update;apt-get upgrade before installing git?
[09:13] <dolapevich> SPF, I am on private with Cooler, auto update kicked in and he is waiting for it to finish
[09:14] <CoolerX> SPF, git is already installed like i said
[09:14] <CoolerX> this happened after i installed git
[09:21] <bing> does ubuntu tracks user use info etc  like windows does ?
[09:25] <EriC^^> bing: by default on newer releases it has it opt'd out , on older releases you had to opt-out yourself
[09:25] <EriC^^> it keeps track of stuff in the dash for amazon ads or something
[09:25] <EriC^^> settings > privacy and settings
[09:26] <bing> but whynot by default it eliminate all tracker..Linux is not made for this purpose... IT is made for security and privacy....so linux is doing what windows doing over the past years ?
[09:27] <bazhang> bing, no
[09:29] <bing> i wish annonymity of data must be eliminated but not exposed.
[09:29] <bazhang> bing it does not happen, and so lets not continue here
[09:37] <SPF> CoolerX: did dolapevich fix the problem?
[09:37] <bing> MANY ARE NOT TECHY TO IDENTIFY RUMOR and Annonymity....I like IRC.... its cleaner exposing IP address ....it may be vpn as some uses but it also will be eradicated if vpn tor etc are banned that will make annonymity almost impossible on any world wide web....... How about if an OS or websites to Publish or mandate  an IP exposer over email profiles etc etc website while registrations ?
[09:38] <bing> Just like Telephone or mobile we call ...we know the number and country
[09:38] <CoolerX> SPF, no
[09:38] <bazhang> bing this is not the place for that discussion
[09:38] <ducasse> bing: offtopic here, take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:38] <CoolerX> i decided to delete the vm and reinstall and this time select NO for auto updates
[09:39] <SPF> that's a good idea, I also don't like automatic updates
[09:40] <SPF> I also have a problem with updates. I get a popup that updates are available, but aparently there are no updates available
[09:40] <TJ-> CoolerX: "/usr/lib/gs-plugins-9/libgs_plugin_dpkg.so" is part of gnome-software ... it seems the GUI software installer is stuck scanning packages
[09:41] <CoolerX> TJ-, maybe slow internet
[09:41] <CoolerX> anyway doesn't matter now
[09:41] <EriC^^> SPF: try in the terminal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:42] <SPF> EriC^^: already tried that
[09:42] <SPF> doesnt work
[09:43] <SPF> I'm on 16.04.3 LTS
[09:44] <TJ-> SPF: what does "apt list --upgradable" report?
[09:44] <snufft> hi everyone :) I've got a 16.04 install in a VM and it has just decided randomly that it won't boot unless I choose Upstart from the advanced options Grub menu at boot. It all works perfectly fine when I choose upstart, but if I let it go through its default boot, it just takes me to a completely blank screen with a blinking cursor. I can't type anything, or the cursor disappears and I have a black screen. None of the function keys work
[09:45] <SPF> TJ-: it lists only docker-ce (docker-ce/xenial 17.12.1~ce-0~ubuntu amd64 [upgradable from: 17.06.0~ce-0~ubuntu])
[09:45] <TJ-> SPF: and when you do "sudo apt upgrade" does it install that?
[09:46] <EriC^^> snufft: try booting without quiet splash in the grub kernel line
[09:46] <CoolerX> is there no option in settings to disable auto update?
[09:46] <SPF> TJ-: no. Problably because I picked a specific version when installing it because the latest version could not be installed due to independancies
[09:48] <TJ-> SPF: that'd explain the pop-up then; a later version is available but you're not installing it
[09:48] <EriC^^> CoolerX: dash > software & updates
[09:48] <snufft> EriC^^: thanks! I'll give it a shot :)
[09:49] <CoolerX> EriC^^, cool
[09:49] <SPF> TJ-: well, the latest version of docker-ce requires never versions of packages that are not in the current version of the ubuntu-repo
[09:50] <SPF> TJ-: can I disable the popups somehow?
[09:51] <TJ-> SPF: The best way to do it might be to set an apt 'pin' on that package=version you want to retain. There may be a away to disable upgrade popups but that will be all-or-nothing
[09:51] <EriC^^> snufft: no problem :)
[09:54] <SPF> TJ-: it was already disabled in the settings. But for security updates it's not possible to disable
[09:55] <arulmagi> hi.. i am new to ubuntu.. how can i configure facebook messenger chat in one of linux messaging clients? can any one help me on this?
[09:55] <TJ-> SPF: right, so an apt-pin might be appropriate if this package has to remain at it's current version
[09:56] <TJ-> !pinning
[09:56] <bazhang> arulmagi, which one
[09:56] <bazhang> some may or may not have that feature
[09:58] <arulmagi> for empathy?
[09:58] <arulmagi> this is the main messaging app in my system
[09:58] <bazhang> arulmagi, which version of ubuntu are you currently using
[10:00] <arulmagi> 17.10
[10:00] <SPF> TJ-: thanks
[10:03] <arulmagi> how you guys use facebook chat without online version?
[10:10] <bazhang> bitlbee-plugin-facebook arulmagi this might be it
[10:11] <bazhang> arulmagi, you might want to check the bitlbee homepage to see exactly which irc clients are supported
[10:15] <arulmagi> thanks bazhang
[10:16] <bazhang> welcome
[10:16] <arulmagi> wil check it out
[10:16] <bazhang> ok
[10:16] <bazhang> let us know if that works
[10:23] <ledtc> Q: apt-get update outputs a wall of Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ vivid/main libasan1 amd64 4.9.2-10ubuntu13  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.149 80]   Suggestions ?
[10:24] <geirha> !vivid
[10:24] <ledtc> geirha Can i upgrade ?
[10:25] <geirha> yes, you can do an EOLupgrade
[10:25] <ledtc> geirha, ill google that.
[10:25] <geirha> !eolupgrade
[10:25] <bazhang> we have the link here ledtc
[10:25] <bazhang> see above
[10:28] <ledtc> would CODENAME be "vivid" ?
[10:32] <jsync> Hello. I'm looking for instructions about creating a custom language setting for Aurebesh & Sith languages.
[10:34] <bazhang> jsync, sith as in the star wars one?
[10:34] <jsync> bazhang, yes.
[10:35] <bazhang> jsync, that would be more a irc client thing, unless you meant system wide on ubuntu
[10:35] <jsync> I want language settings so that when I enter text, others can see my language font.
[10:36] <jsync> If I could use a separate language setting with my font, then I could make that a community thing. That would be alright, though I'm not sure how to easily do that.
[10:37] <jsync> So, if I could use Farose language setting with Aurebesh font, that would be alright.
[10:37] <bazhang> jsync, why not start with irc cleints, and check the channel for whichever one that is
[10:38] <bazhang> cleints
[10:38] <bazhang> augh
[10:41] <jsync> I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/597342/change-default-font-for-a-specific-language
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:46] <TheWild> hello
[10:47] <TheWild> checking out Ubuntu 17.10.1. Still we have amazon crap noone really needs.
[10:47] <TheWild> eh... alt key doesn't work. How I'm going to access application menu from the keyboard?
[10:48] <TheWild> and is there a way to display menu in the application window area?
[10:49] <gogeta> TheWild, super ky for menu
[10:50] <gogeta> key
[10:50] <gogeta> TheWild, aka the windows key
[10:50] <TJ-> (or Apple key!)
[10:50] <TheWild> nope. This launches "all the applications" menu
[10:51] <gogeta> TheWild, what menu dd you mean then
[10:51] <TheWild> not the currently focused application menu (File, Edit etc.)
[10:51] <gogeta> TheWild, oh that
[10:51] <TheWild> in Ubuntu 16.04.3, alt key was doing it
[10:52] <TheWild> lol, Alt+F10?
[10:52] <TheWild> oh God, why?
[10:52] <gogeta> TheWild, ear is a full list https://www.cheatography.com/sapemeg/cheat-sheets/ubuntu-unity-16-04/
[10:53] <gogeta> wait thats 16
[10:58] <netochka> EriC^^: are you there?
[11:00] <TheWild> btw, on my laptop Ubuntu 17.10.1 has far worse performance, at least UI. Does it use software rendering?
[11:02] <gogeta> TheWild, there opengl in 17 is slow thers a fix
[11:03] <netochka> Chromium on Ubuntu 16. the Tabs and Addressbar are so small and tiny. Setting the font size in settings on Large or Very Large doesn't help the Issue and Zooming in also won't help.
[11:03] <gogeta> i dont mess with unity
[11:04] <TheWild> Changing desktop icon size. People have to fall back to gconf-editor, because basic settings UI is crap.
[11:05] <gogeta> TheWild, i run budgie or xfce
[11:06] <gogeta> TheWild, budgie is like gnome 3 without making your system beg for mercy
[11:13] <netochka> Chromium on Ubuntu 16. the Tabs and Addressbar are so small and tiny. Setting the font size in settings on Large or Very Large doesn't help the Issue and Zooming in also won't help.
[11:14] <glennyrenner> hi
[11:25] <mormi> I have some problems with skype in ubuntu, someone to help me?
[11:25] <cfhowlett> details?
[11:25] <sys_> install windows
[11:26] <sys_> :D
[11:26] <cfhowlett> not funny, sys_ .  not helpful either
[11:26] <mormi> hahaha, I cant start skype
[11:27] <cfhowlett> mormi, try starting from the command line and note the error messages
[11:28] <mormi> Im not sure I try it before, what is the command to do it
[11:28] <cfhowlett> skype
[11:28] <cfhowlett> or skype plus the [tab] key for autocomplete
[11:29] <mormi> I receive nothing and not start
[11:30] <cfhowlett> odd.  very. has it ever started?
[11:30] <glennyrenner> what did you get exactly? probably skype isn't properly installed
[11:32] <netochka> Chromium on Ubuntu 16. the Tabs and Addressbar are so small and tiny. Setting the font size in settings on Large or Very Large doesn't help the Issue and Zooming in also won't help.
[11:32] <TJ-> mormi: show us: " pastebinit <( hash; which -a skype ) "
[11:33] <akik> mormi: the command is skypeforlinux
[11:34] <mormi> yes skypeforlinux
[11:36] <mormi> perfect my skype is working
[11:37] <mormi> thanks akik
[11:37] <akik> well that was easy :)
[11:37] <cfhowlett> launches from command line but not from the icon?
[11:37] <mormi> yes exactly
[11:38] <cfhowlett> check the properties especially the launch command
[11:39] <mormi> where are these properties?
[11:39] <cfhowlett> right click on the icon?
[11:42] <katnip> can 16.0.4.4 use gnome instead of unity?
[11:42] <cfhowlett> katnip, possibly. or just wait a bit for 18.04
[11:42] <katnip> ok
[11:42] <guiverc> katnip, yep; installer is called ubuntu-gnome
[11:43] <katnip> ok
[11:43] <katnip> ty
[11:46] <netochka> akik
[12:15] <shai5492> Hello, I'm planning to use my Ubuntu server as a some type of CDN to host images, now I've installed Apache and uploded the images to the apache folder, now I would like to know what is count as concurrent user? which settings I can disable so the connection will be closed immediately after a HTTP request for image is done?
[12:16] <cfhowlett> perhaps ask #ubuntu-server if no answer here
[12:17] <TJ-> shai5492: sounds like a question for #https if you're using Apache
[12:17] <TJ-> shai5492: sorry, for #httpd
[12:17] <shai5492> TJ-: Thanks
[12:17] <shai5492> TJ-: I will try asking there
[12:17] <TJ-> shai5492: basically you want to ask how to disable keep-alive
[12:20] <TheWild> also, software manager is s**t. I downloaded deb package of atom the editor and "Install" button asks me for password, but after I authenticate, nothing is happening.
[12:20] <TheWild> there's no life in Linux without terminal
[12:22] <TheWild> apt claims:  atom : Depends: gconf2 but it is not installable
[12:22] <TheWild>         Depends: gconf-service but it is not installable
[12:22] <TheWild> wut? On Windows I would unzip and it would *just* work.
[12:24] <snake99> hi
[12:26] <tomreyn> TheWild: you would not normally download deb's and install them manually
[12:26] <brainwash> TheWild: probably this https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/14358
[12:27] <tomreyn> the default / correct way to install an additional software is to install it from an apt repository.
[12:27] <tomreyn> you can add PPAs to add more software if you need to.
[12:27] <tomreyn> !ppa | TheWild
[12:28] <brainwash> "For Ubuntu, there is a repository you can use, ppa:webupd8team/atom, but that’s unofficial."
[12:30] <tomreyn> https://flight-manual.atom.io/getting-started/sections/installing-atom/#debian-and-ubuntu-debapt
[12:33] <adrian_1908> TheWild: https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/atom
[12:33] <adrian_1908> TheWild: never had an issues.
[12:33] <tomreyn> ping timeout
[12:34] <Guest37678> hello all
[12:34] <tomreyn> hello Guest37678 / mooncakehexchat
[12:37] <Guest37678> i was wondering why my hard drive has two listings (sdc1 + sdc5)-is that okay or should i delete one of the two?
[12:38] <Guest37678> http://onlinemd5.com/
[12:39] <Guest37678> https://imgur.com/a/fYNgZ
[12:39] <tomreyn> Guest37678: those are partitions.
[12:39] <Guest37678> sorry first post was mistake link i mean
[12:39] <kk4ewt> Guest37678,  sudo fdisk -l output to a pastebin please
[12:40] <tomreyn> that's an msdos partition table, effectively ouy have a single extended partition there, plus sda1 to indicate where the extended partitions are.
[12:40] <tomreyn> *sdc1, sorry
[12:42] <Guest37678> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vvcB7X9XfN/
[12:43] <tomreyn> if i had these disks to play with, i'd probably use the 120 GB SSD for / (i.e. for ubuntu), and make a mirror raid out of the two WDC disks.
[12:43] <kk4ewt> looking at lines 80-81 confirms what tomreyn  told you
[12:43] <akik> sdc1 is the extended partition and sdc5 is the logical partition
[12:44] <kk4ewt> if you remove either you losse your data
[12:44] <Guest37678> thank your am using ssd for ubuntu but have a few more questions thanks for suggestion re raid will been thinking about it for a while but need to read into it
[12:45] <akik> Guest37678: what is the problem you're having with the sdc partitioning?
[12:45] <Guest37678> thanks <kk4ewt>
[12:46] <Guest37678> i want to format all my disks (not all) and start fresh i have had issues with disks in past
[12:46] <Guest37678> size mismatches and bad sectors
[12:46] <Guest37678> noises am a little scared of noises re pending failure
[12:47] <akik> Guest37678: yes bad sectors and "noises" indicate that you should probably buy a new disk
[12:47] <Guest37678> i think the one i have all my data on now has errors so am guessing thats the noisy one
[12:47] <akik> backup, backup, backup
[12:48] <Guest37678> as per img i posted
[12:48] <Guest37678> dead set re backup with you bro
[12:48] <Guest37678> 100%
[12:49] <Guest37678> can i scan for bad sectors with ubuntu terminal and get better idea of where that drive is at
[12:49] <Guest37678> (fdisk)
[12:49] <Guest37678> ?
[12:49] <akik> Guest37678: yes you can run badblocks on the disk
[12:49] <Guest37678> or is there something better
[12:49] <kk4ewt> smartools as well
[12:49] <Guest37678> okay
[12:49] <CoolerZ> hey
[12:50] <CoolerZ> i am trying to install virtualbox
[12:50] <Guest37678> how to download often things i want are not in the software center 17.10
[12:50] <kk4ewt> anything manmade will have faults (bad sectors)
[12:50] <Guest37678> sudo apt-get install "thing i want"?
[12:50] <netochka> Chromium on Ubuntu 16. the Tabs and Addressbar are so small and tiny. Setting the font size in settings on Large or Very Large doesn't help the Issue and Zooming in also won't help.
[12:50] <CoolerZ> i am trying to install virtualbox guest additions
[12:51] <CoolerZ> i am running ubuntu 64 bit in virtualbox on my windows 10 host os
[12:51] <CoolerZ> and i am trying to install the guest additions of virtualbox
[12:51] <CoolerZ> i installed and it and restarted the vm
[12:51] <Younder> CoolerZ, Have you run the Guest additions?
[12:51] <CoolerZ> but i still don't have copy paste functionality
[12:52] <Mathisen> CoolerZ, did you set it to bidirectional in virtualbox settingas
[12:52] <Mathisen> biodirectional*
[12:52] <CoolerZ> Mathisen, oh right
[12:52] <CoolerZ> thanks
[12:52] <Guest37678> how to install badblocks from terminal please not working with sudo apt-get install badblocks
[12:52] <CoolerZ> Mathisen, where was that again?
[12:53] <Mathisen> CoolerZ, devices > Shared Clipboard
[12:53] <CoolerZ> thank you
[12:54] <puunakki> Is there a command to list all devices in my network?
[12:54] <TheWild> sorry, my system has crashed
[12:54] <snake99> who to install wineHQ tools i can not install for my laptop
[12:54] <Mathisen> puunakki, sudo apt install arp-scan && sudo arp-scan --interface=YOUR_CARD --localnet
[12:54] <akik> Guest37678: it's in e2fsprogs
[12:55] <akik> !info e2fsprogs
[12:55] <puunakki> Mathisen, thanks
[12:55] <Mathisen> puunakki, your_card can easyly find name with " ip link "
[12:55] <puunakki> Yes
[12:56] <Guest37678> thank you but im a little lost sorry
[12:56] <adrian_1908> TheWild: [13:33:02] <adrian_1908> TheWild: https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/atom   Never had any issues.
[12:58] <TheWild> thanks adrian_1908, brainwash and tomreyn
[12:59] <TheWild> at first sight I'm not very happy with Ubuntu 17.10.1, but I'll give it a chance anyway
[13:01] <akik> Guest37678: sudo badblocks -n -v -o /tmp/badblocks_sdX /dev/sdX
[13:01] <netochka> How to get rid of this "Configuring ttf-mscorefonts-installer " EULA that keeps showing up in my Terminal everytime i want to install something.
[13:01] <Guest37678> legend was reading man
[13:01] <akik> Guest37678: after it's run, you can look into /tmp/badblocks_sdX
[13:01] <Guest37678> thank you
[13:02] <akik> Guest37678: there's also -s for progress status
[13:03] <Guest37678> cool :) will it take a while for 7200 1TB
[13:03] <TheWild> "sudo apt install atom" ... "After this operation, 585 MB of additional disk space will be used."
[13:03] <TheWild> da hell? Noooo...
[13:06] <pragmaticenigma> I'm unable to launch Synaptic Package Manager. What is the CLI name of the program so I can see if it's creating an error message
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> update- I'm getting an "cannot open display: :0" error message when launch Synaptic Package Manager. Does anyone have an idea on how to get Synaptic to launch?
[13:08] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  are you on 17.10 in wayland session ?
[13:08] <pragmaticenigma> 16.04
[13:09] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  gksudo synaptic
[13:10] <netochka> /me shouts
[13:10] <netochka> ehm
[13:10] <pragmaticenigma> ioria, that's what I did to get the error message https://pastebin.com/dQtKiPYf
[13:10] <netochka> Hello?
[13:10] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  Mir ?
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> ioria, should be running X. I never installed Mir, at least not intentionally
[13:11] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  weird
[13:12] <pragmaticenigma> ioria, if that's the default way 16.04 installed, then yes Mir should be running
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> ioria, this couldn't potentially have something to do with my disabling ipv6?
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> ioria, I'm pretty certain that I have launched synaptic in the time since disabling ipv6 on this machine
[13:13] <adrian_1908> netochka: maybe nobody has an idea. I certainly haven't run into that problem. Does it really happen every time?
[13:13] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  i don't know ; try   export DISPLAY=:0   and gksudo synaptic
[13:13] <akik> pragmaticenigma: can you open a terminal and then a new terminal from that?
[13:14] <Guest37678> excuse me <akik> if i unmount the drive will it be faster to scan
[13:14] <akik> Guest37678: no
[13:15] <Guest37678> thanks for you help thus far legend =)
[13:15] <akik> Guest37678: there's a -b option for block size which might make it faster
[13:15] <akik> Guest37678: but i haven't tested it
[13:15] <Guest37678> do i set it or need to know current size pretty sure all are 512
[13:15] <akik> Guest37678: you can probably choose your own block size for it
[13:16] <Guest37678> this may sound silly but what size should  i aim for re speed
[13:16] <Guest37678> given drive is 1TB
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> akik, I might if I knew which terminal program was used. should be terminal I thought
[13:17] <netochka> adrian_1908:  yes. The thing is I did fix the problem the last time i installed chromium on Ubuntu but can't rememebr how. The same issue is in FireFox, but in FireFox it can be fixed with going to about:config and changing layout.css.devPixelsPerpx to a figure like 1.3 or so. But there is no such option for Chromium. This problem apparently happens to hdpi screens and has something to do with that.
[13:17] <netochka> wow i wrote a lot
[13:17] <akik> pragmaticenigma: what desktop environment do you use?
[13:18] <akik> Guest37678: i really don't know. for dd you can choose an arbitrarily big size like 1M
[13:18] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: ignore mir, that's not important, your issue is that DISPLAY= isn't set in the shell env. Try "export DISPLAY=:0" then rerun your command
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> just did TJ- ... that didn't work
[13:18] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: is the GUI on a different display then?
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> no
[13:19] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  using Gnome or default unity ?
[13:19] <pragmaticenigma> maybe I'm just due for a reboot?
[13:19] <pragmaticenigma> ioria, unity
[13:19] <adrian_1908> netochka: Certainly odd that an application setting would affect the package manager to be honest. I know this this not a good solution, but do you actually need the package?
[13:19] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: try : "ps -efly | grep 'X.*:[[:digit:]]' "
[13:20] <netochka> by package you mean Chromium web browser? I am used to it and use certain Extensions on it. So i kind of have to stick to it.
[13:20] <akik> pragmaticenigma: i think unity uses gnome-terminal
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, S root      1123  1071  1  80   0 88156 120431 -     Feb24 tty7     05:53:32 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -core :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
[13:20] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: you're calling the command using 'sudo' ?
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> I've tried both sudo and gksudo
[13:21] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: does "echo $DISPLAY" show the correct value (":0") ?
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> akik, to answer your question, no cannot launch a new terminal window from with terminal
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> akik, but i can launch a new terminal from launcher
[13:22] <hoppla> hi all
[13:22] <adrian_1908> netochka: no, i mean the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package. I find it odd that an application setting (as you say in Firefox) would affect the behavior of the package manager. These two layers shouldn't even be in communication.
[13:22] <hoppla> I was using my laptop as per normal
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, yes it show :0
[13:23] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: so that suggests the environment isn't being retained, try "gksudo --preserve-env ..."
[13:23] <akik> pragmaticenigma: what's the ownership of ~/.Xauthority ? xauth list should show the cookie
[13:23] <netochka> adrian_1908: ah no. that was a different issue. that was for the fonts i was trying to install and the issue got fixed. this chromium thing is a whole another problem.
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, that didn't work either
[13:24] <hoppla> what happens if i wipe /dev/sda1 (which im on) while using it?
[13:24] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,    there is a command you might use,  (xhost +)  but remember having some side effects ...
[13:24] <adrian_1908> netochka: hmm, I don't see any such communication. Did you solve it in silence, or am I silently losing IRC traffic?
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> akik, Xauthority is user rw only
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> ioria, tried xhost +localhost a moment ago, that didn't change the outcome
[13:25] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,    oh, my
[13:25] <netochka> adrian_1908: nope. The problem was i couldn't "Accept" the license agreement, and i googled it whilst w8ing for answer. turned up that i had to use Tab in order to go to "OK" button.
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> I think I just need to reboot. might clear up on it own that way
[13:25] <hoppla> i was doing some gdisk stuff and suddenly I had no access to any commands and my computer restarts. I'm now faced with a grub command line
[13:25] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: maybe use strace to track what is going on as in "sudo strace -o /tmp/trace.log -f <command>" and then "pastebinit /tmp/trace.log"
[13:26] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: reboot shouldn't be needed; just log-out/log-in
[13:28] <adrian_1908> netochka: [14:01:32] <netochka> How to get rid of this "Configuring ttf-mscorefonts-installer " (...)   <-- That was the last question I saw from you before I responded. I see no talk of Chromium in here. Anyway, I hope you can fix the other problem.
[13:28] <hoppla> what happens when i delete the filesystem im on?
[13:29] <TJ-> hoppla: bad things :D
[13:29] <adrian_1908> hoppla: might run briefly, then crash? :D
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, trace output (sanitized) https://pastebin.com/s6DtTc7C
[13:29] <hoppla> but before i crashed, i was sure my past commands were accurate
[13:29] <TJ-> hoppla: existing open files will remain (in memory) but anything new required from disk will fail
[13:29] <hoppla> anyway to recover?
[13:30] <netochka> adrian_1908: yea i wrote 2 different issues. the last one i figured out and the first one (chromium) still persists. sorry for the confusion.
[13:30] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: does "/root/.cache/broadway1.socket" mean anything to you? is broadway1 the hostname of the PC?
[13:31] <Guest37678> running badblocks wont overwrite data will it?
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> I have no systems named broadway1
[13:31] <TJ-> Guest37678: not unless you tell it to; read "man badblocks"
[13:31] <akik> Guest37678: -n     Use  non-destructive  read-write mode.
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I have no systems named broadway1
[13:31] <Guest37678> phew thanks
[13:32] <CoolerZ> how do i enable ctrl+c and ctrl+v ?
[13:32] <hoppla> TJ- any way to recover?
[13:32] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: OK, that's a generic report, not specific to the system
[13:32] <TJ-> hoppla: reinstall
[13:32] <adrian_1908> CoolerZ: what is the context? These should work by default.
[13:32] <hoppla> TJ- : as in wipe clean?
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, the name of the machine was sanitized to {systemname}
[13:33] <CoolerZ> adrian_1908, not in the terminal
[13:33] <TJ-> hoppla: if you've deleted the OS files/file-system then a reinstall (overwrite) is the only solution
[13:33] <adrian_1908> CoolerZ: Try CTRL-SHIFT+C/V instead.
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I'm going to reboot... lsof says too many things pending deletion... be back shortly
[13:35] <CoolerZ> adrian_1908, thats not what i said
[13:35] <hoppla> TJ-: yaaa.... /dev/sda1 on gdisk just showed nopartitions.
[13:35] <adrian_1908> CoolerZ: ?
[13:36] <hoppla> TJ-: but it used to to be GPT not MBR. Now it's MBR. would reinstating the GPT with gdisk help?
[13:37] <tomreyn> Guest37678: i'd run "smartctl -t long" rather than badblocks. modern disks don't let the OS access blocks one by one anyways, and handle bad blocks internally.
[13:37] <TJ-> hoppla: it might; it depends on how you destroyed it
[13:38] <akik> tomreyn: i guess he has a hdd as he "hears noises" :)
[13:38] <tomreyn> akik: so maybe a short self test then ;)
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, reboot resolved that issue. now I only have a problem with the launcher lost its translucency. I can live with it... but why would it randomly do that?
[13:39] <hoppla> meh its okay. was planning to resize my computer anyway
[13:39] <hoppla> i'll just do it now
[13:39] <hoppla> what partitions should I keep seperated?
[13:39] <pragmaticenigma> hoppla, that depends on what you are attempting to accomplish. To the average user there is no real reason to separate anything
[13:40] <TJ-> hoppla: I'd have a separate block device for /home/ - I use LVM rather than using raw partitions for that, though
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> hoppla, if you're looking to retain all the customizations to your desktop environment and personal files when wiping the rest of the system clean. you might want to consider /home in its own partition
[13:41] <hoppla> just /home?
[13:41] <TJ-> hoppla: Well if you do an LVM install the installer will but rootfs in one LV and /home/ in another
[13:42] <TJ-> s/but/put/  grr
[13:42] <hoppla> i'll do LVM too
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, any thoughts on why the launcher lost it's visual effects?
[13:43] <TJ-> hoppla: Actually, I'm not sure if the installer does automatically create an LV for /home/ ... I do it from command-line when installing a new system so not checked that
[13:43] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: because it's buggy?
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> works for me
[13:43] <netochka> how can i reverse this command ? >>>>  gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor 2
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> 18.04 can't get released soon enough
[13:44] <hoppla> I can manage that during the clean install process from the installer
[13:44] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: right now that's looking like it's going to bring a whole new wave of pain
[13:44] <tomreyn> netochka: try: gsettings reset org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor
[13:44] <Guest37678> if formatting (gparted) for storage only do i want extended as type (no os on it not wanting to boot from)
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, it might, but to leave Unity and Mir and all the other halfbaked ideas Canoncal has started... to me is a blessing
[13:45] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: did you compare the user session with a guest or new user-account to see if the transparency issue is profile-settings related
[13:45] <netochka> tomreyn Ty
[13:46] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, good idea... I try that now
[13:46] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: the problem with that is, they're heavily modifying those upstream projects to retain the 'Ubuntu' look-n-feel, resulting in a lot of Ubuntu-specific bugs. Just look at the bug-list for gnome-software!
[13:47] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, the plan right now is to use gnome project directly instead of the Ubuntu-Gnome environmnet
[13:47] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, Guest session appears okay, coming back to my session has partial translucency, but what it's displaying underneath is odd
[13:48] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, the background appears to be other windows on the desktop, flipped upside down
[13:49] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, makes it hard to read
[13:49] <hoppla> btw what are your cloning tools of choice?
[13:50] <Guest37678> when formatting a drive with Gparted and intending to use only for storage should i choose extended as the type of partition?
[13:50] <pragmaticenigma> hoppla, for system backup I use clonezilla
[13:51] <netochka> why is it that when i open chromium it opens with this > http://xn--ivga/ < in the address bar. i think i messed up something.
[13:52] <hoppla> i couldnt understand clonezilla. the live usb form extracts what you need saved onto itself?
[13:54] <Guest37678> can someone please help me with my question above
[13:54] <tomreyn> netochka: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9724379/xn-on-domain-what-it-means
[13:54] <Guest37678> when formatting a drive with Gparted and intending to use only for storage should i choose extended as the type of partition?
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> please be patient Guest37678 ... if someone has an answer, they will respond
[13:55] <tomreyn> Guest37678: personally i'd use only gpt partition tables nowadays.
[13:55] <netochka> tomreyn: hmm. this happened after i tried to make chromium to open up with a forced scale i think. donno how to reverse that.
[13:56] <Guest37678> thankyou
[13:56] <tomreyn> Guest37678: they do not have the 'msdos' primary / extended mechanisms which can get in the way when you repartition later.
[13:57] <tomreyn> netochka: check its preferences, change the home page.
[13:57] <tomreyn> netochka: if it's not there or it persists after browser restart then you have a malicious add-on installed
[14:00] <tomreyn> netochka: "xn--ivga" is actually just a pair of typographical double quotes: ””
[14:00] <tomreyn> netochka: so this is most likely put there by a bad, not necessariliy malicious, add-on.
[14:01] <netochka> yea, it happened after > sudo nano /etc/chromium-browser/default and adding ”--force-device-scale-factor=2” as flags. now i donno how to reverse that action
[14:01] <tomreyn> Guest37678: in case you prefer to use msdos, just crewate a single primary partition, no need fo extended.
[14:02] <tomreyn> netochka: you just wrote ”--force-device-scale-factor=2” which is not the same as "--force-device-scale-factor=2"
[14:02] <netochka> :?
[14:04] <tomreyn> netochka: when editing configuration files, such as /etc/chromium-browser/default , make sure you use a text editor which will use standard ascii quote characters (e.g. "), not the typographical quotes yours seems to be using (”)
[14:04] <netochka> I see
[14:04] <netochka> Im gonna try that
[14:04] <tomreyn> netochka: it's also possible that you copied + pasted this from some website where oyu found it, and it was using those incorrect quotation marks on that website you copied from.
[14:05] <netochka> yes i pasted it from somewhere
[14:05] <tomreyn> just replace the quotation marks in /etc/chromium-browser/default then, restart chromium, and it should be fixed.
[14:06] <netochka> oh wow. it worked
[14:06] <netochka> Ty
[14:06] <tomreyn> welcome
[14:07] <netochka> Awesome! It also fixed the problem i had with chromium.
[14:07] <Draconiator> Just wanted to say thank you guys for helping me when I was using Xubuntu as an interim OS while waiting for my new hard drive.  Much appreciated!  :)
[14:07] <netochka> tomreyn: TYVM
[14:07] <tomreyn> netochka: you're welcome ;)
[14:10] <Guest26927> Hi!
 are you still online
[14:10] <Guest26927> Maybe
[14:11] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: have you tried moving/deleting $HOME/.cache/ ?
[14:11] <Guest37678> whoisi
[14:12] <Guest37678> whois Guest26927
[14:12] <tomreyn> Guest37678: irc commands need to be prefixed by a slash character, like so: /whois Guest26927
[14:12] <Guest26927> me
[14:12] <Guest26927> why?
[14:13] <Guest37678> cheers typo lying down
[14:13] <netochka> how is it that some of text in here get Bold
[14:13] <netochka> :?
[14:13] <netochka> my text i mean
[14:13] <netochka> gets*
[14:14] <tomreyn> netochka: this is something your IRC client decides on. most IRC clients will somehow highlight lines where you were addressed (your nickname is mentioned or the line starts with your nickname)
[14:14] <tomreyn> more help with IRC is available in #freenode as well as the channel of your IRC client (if any)
[14:15] <netochka> I must've changed something in my client
[14:15] <Guest37678> your not akik
[14:15] <cereal> I'm doing a new ubuntu install on a MBP
[14:16] <cereal> I'd like to have refind in one partition, then ubuntu on another, and macOS on another
[14:16] <cereal> am i doing it right?
[14:16] <cereal> on the ubuntu partition i'd likely have LVM and further partition it
[14:17] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, not sure if that did anything or log out and back in again... but thanks
[14:20] <cereal> just unsure FS to assign  the refind partition
[14:21] <TJ-> !mac
[14:21] <TJ-> cereal: ^^^^ is that any help?
[14:21] <cereal> hmmm
[14:21] <cereal> it did not have macOS for many months now
[14:22] <cereal> Can treat it as a new ssd. My concern is really the partitioning and FS
[14:22] <TheWild> hello again
[14:23] <TheWild> why does Ubuntu 17.10.1 have GL rendering problems which 16.04.3 hadn't?
[14:23] <TheWild> using Blender is a pain
[14:23] <cereal> from what i read, refind would allow me to choose ubuntu or mac. So it should be on a seperate partition?
[14:23] <cereal> but what fs for refind?
[14:24] <tomreyn> TheWild: maybe you have an nvidia graphics card and they have yet to release wayland compatible drivers?
[14:24] <netochka> Speaking of which. I think i had a NightMode feature in the panel on Ubuntu 17. which is not available on 16.4 . any chance i could have it on 16?
[14:24] <cereal> oh. efi system
[14:24] <TheWild> it's a bit of: they did it right in 16.04.3 so what the heck happened?
[14:25] <cereal> TheWild: 18.04 will return to unity
[14:25] <TheWild> cereal: could DE cause such problem?
[14:26] <tomreyn> TheWild: there are properietary nvidia drivers which work (more or less) with several versions of X. ubuntu 17.10 introduced wayland as the default display server. this is unrelated to the desktop environment.
[14:27] <netochka> tomreyn: do you know how can i have nightmode feature on ubuntu 16?
[14:27] <tomreyn> netochka: no, i don't even know what "nightmode" is.
[14:27] <TJ-> cereal: rEFInd is an EFI boot manager so it goes in the EFI System Partition. EFI SP's are FAT 12/16/32 file-systems
[14:28] <TheWild> tomreyn: is the chance that I can install drivers and make them work without the need to restart?
[14:28] <Guest88865> hi-any idea why a freshly formated (gpt) partition ;with nothing on it, has 15GB used space i dont understand i just formatted a moment ago? https://imgur.com/a/yp3mY
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> cereal, 18.04 is returning to Gnome Desktop using a customized version specific to Ubuntu. Unity is no longer the primary desktop environment
[14:28] <netochka> tomreyn: i see. u see i tried different distros of ubuntu before i settled for ubuntu 16. and i think it was on ubuntu 17 that it had a nightmode feature in the bar, right next to the battery thing. u could set the screen to go in night mode in certain time of day. it was great for reading books.
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> TheWild, for me, I stick to the LTS releases to ensure things like you're experiencing don't happen on my system. The incremental updates with substantial changes are too jarring for what I want to do
[14:31] <tomreyn> TheWild: i don't know much about nvidia drivers (I assume that's the drivers you'd like to install?), but my understanding is that to get those to work on 17.10 you should use the classic Xorg display server instead. and switching to this will need at least an X restart.
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> netochka, newer features are sometimes backported to older versions. However, I don't believe that would be one of them. there might be an application you can install yourself that would achieve the same effect
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> netochka, check out f.lux... that will do what you looking for
[14:32] <tomreyn> netochka: there is no "ubuntu 16" release. you are probably referring to one of the "Ubuntu 16.04 LTS" and "Ubuntu 16.10" releases.
[14:32] <netochka> pragmaticenigma: I'm pretty sure that was built in. but not sure if it was on ubuntu or xubuntu etc. and yes there seems to be apps like f.lux that do that. but the built in feature i'm talking about was just much easier to use.
[14:33] <netochka> tomreyn: yes sorry. 16.04
[14:33] <tomreyn> netochka: there is also no "ubuntu 17"
[14:33] <netochka> 17.1?
[14:33] <netochka> 17.10*
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> netochka, most of the time, the built in is actually the same program with an Ubuntu simplification/adjustment
[14:33] <netochka> :?
[14:34] <netochka> I see
[14:34] <tomreyn> netochka: i don't know what you were using, but ubuntu 17.10 does exist. it was released in october (10) last year (17)
[14:34] <TJ-> netochka: the numbers are year.month 16.04 is 2016 April
[14:34] <netochka> tomreyn:  i just looked it up on ubuntu.com. it was the 17.10.
[14:35] <TabMasher> netochka: Think of versions as dates.  17.10 would be 2017.10th
[14:35] <netochka> TJ-: ty for clearin that up. didn' know that
[14:35] <netochka> aha
[14:35] <netochka> Ok
[14:35] <TabMasher> err, not the 10th, but the 10th month.
[14:35] <TabMasher> Like tomreyn said.  2017.October
[14:35] <netochka> :D
[14:36] <netochka> I'm gonna try this f.lux thing.
[14:37] <netochka> ty guys. hve a nice day
[14:39] <tomreyn> looks like netochka was referring to this https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/02/gnome-night-light-blue-light-filter-linux
[14:41] <Guest88865> hello ppl pls help how can i recover the 15GB used space from this drive it has been freshly formated-ive put nothing on it???
[14:41] <Guest88865> hello ppl pls help how can i recover the 15GB used space from this drive it has been freshly formated-ive put nothing on it???
[14:41] <Guest88865> https://imgur.com/a/yp3mY
[14:43] <tomreyn> Guest88865: partitioning a drive and creating a journalling file system on it is not unlikley to decrease the available storage space by 1.5%
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, might want to rephrase, that's hard to understand
[14:45] <tomreyn> Guest88865: this is to be expected.
[14:45] <tomreyn> simple enough? :)
[14:45] <pragmaticenigma> yes, thank you... the double negative threw me
[14:46] <Guest88865> thank u both (huge grin)
[14:47] <Guest88865> rofl
[14:47] <Guest88865> thank you
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> Question: When using X-forwarding, why would Firefox, Thunderbird and similar apps (assuming GTK apps) be extremely laggy while Hexchat, gedit and the like run smoothly? Everything is on a local network, it is wifi, but i've had the same experience wired
[14:54] <vlt> pragmaticenigma: Firefox stopped support for X-forwarding a few versions ago. We experienced the same laggy begaviour. That was the reason we had to entirely change the way our thin clients connect to our desktop servers.
[14:55] <vlt> pragmaticenigma: happened around summer 2016, I think.
[14:55]  * TabMasher watches Firefox commit suicide
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> vlt, I didn't think an app needed to have special programming for X-forwarding. What did your group end up doing to work around it?
[14:58] <keridenna> hi
[14:59] <Guest88865> herro
[14:59] <vlt> pragmaticenigma: We switched to xrdp on 16.04 and let our (Ubuntu) thin clients load an rdesktop full screen login automatically after they fetch their OS via PXE.
[14:59] <keridenna> can you help
[14:59] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: consider x2go if oyu don't mind running X on the target
[15:00] <pragmaticenigma> X is running on the client and server
[15:00] <Guest88865> with?
[15:00] <vlt> keridenna: I can give you this answer. Does that help?
[15:00] <tomreyn> Guest88865: hi, welcome to the ubuntu support channel. do you have n ubuntu support question?
[15:00] <keridenna> how to install ubuntu themes
[15:01] <tomreyn> keridenna: which ubuntu version?
[15:02] <onelabs> hi there
[15:02] <Guest88865> https://www.google.com.au/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=how+to+instal+ubunt+themes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=PH-uWqWgOqvr8AemmbSwCQ
[15:03] <keridenna> 16.04 ubuntu ment I think
[15:03] <Guest88865> no question from me
[15:03] <onelabs> i have 18.04, with gnome, can i add a right click to point to downloads , like it was with unity menu ?
[15:03] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | onelabs
[15:04] <keridenna> how can I upgrade mine ?
[15:04] <onelabs> ok
[15:04] <onelabs> thank you
[15:04] <tomreyn> 18.04 is not released, yet, upgrading to it from 16.04 LTS will probably be possibly in july
[15:04] <tomreyn> *become possible
[15:05] <keridenna> ok thanks
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn, why so late after release?
[15:06] <TabMasher> What is the next LTS version?
[15:06] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: because testing (and fixing) upgrade paths takes a while.
[15:07] <tomreyn> TabMasher: 18.04 LTS will be the next LTS rleease. it is available as a beta release currently for testing (only).
[15:10] <TabMasher> ty!
[15:16] <TabMasher> ++
[15:19] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: basically, the 6-month release cycle is too fast
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, I'm thinking on the LTS release though
[15:19] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: there was some disccusion of it and switching to a rolling release back around 2013, but instead it's ended up fragmenting the system by moving to relying on 'snaps' for many things... going to end in tears
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> I remember the talk of rolling release... OpenSuSE seems to be doing well with them. perhaps it will still come to ubuntu
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> for now, I'm hoping kernel splicing is ready
[15:22] <onelabs> exit
[15:23] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: are you referring to https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/10/20/live-kernel-patching-from-canonical-now-available-for-ubuntu ?
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> I believe so tomreyn
[15:24] <tomreyn> (and yes i do not think intriducing snaps in ubuntu is going to solve any problems either)
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> I think snaps solve a smaller problem that happens with LTS model. Since 2 years go by and development on applications continue, but the tradition is stick with the version that was available at release. Snaps allow the developer to keep the app up-to-date without dependency hell occurring, but as I've seen so far, they cause more problems than they fix
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> We need snaps, but a little more wider scope, to avoid duplication of libraries
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> how... I wish I knew
[15:42] <yuuioo> Hi therz
[15:42] <yuuioo> I m sure here i will find my answer
[15:43] <yuuioo> Is it possible to automate a print document flow ?
[15:43] <leftyfb> yuuioo: depends on what you're looking to do, but yes
[15:44] <yuuioo> I would like to automate a printing flow
[15:45] <leftyfb> yeah, you said that
[15:45] <yuuioo> Each time someone sending me mail
[15:45] <yuuioo> With documents attached
[15:45] <yuuioo> I would like that it goes directly to my printer
[15:45] <yuuioo> Possible ?
[15:46] <leftyfb> yes
[15:46] <leftyfb> yuuioo: https://www.linux.com/forums/applications/auto-print-email-attachments-they-arrive
[15:46] <leftyfb> yuuioo: ^ 3rd result on google
[15:46] <yuuioo> How ?
[15:47] <leftyfb> yuuioo: I would look into fetchmail to start. Get that checking your email, then look into how you can save attachments and print maybe using lpr
[15:48] <yuuioo> Why are composing the step in 3 parts ?
[15:48] <andrew> helo all
[15:49] <yuuioo> Gettting /// saving /// printing ???
[15:49] <andrew> quick quesiton.. i accidentally typed apt upgrade instead of apt update in term.. what does this do / mean.. will I kill 16.04?
[15:50] <leftyfb> yuuioo: because that is the process that actually happens. Is there a package that will just do this for you with the click of a button ... I doubt it. Either way, your question is not really an ubuntu support question
[15:50] <leftyfb> andrew: that is how you update/upgrade packages in ubuntu
[15:51] <andrew> https://pastebin.com/ajevcjmc
[15:51] <leftyfb> andrew: apt-get update only updates the cached list of packages and their versions
[15:51] <andrew> Ok?
[15:51] <leftyfb> andrew: yes
[15:51] <andrew> leftyfb so its not going to install ubuntu 17 or something? I typed apt UPGRADE
[15:52] <leftyfb> no
[15:52] <andrew> (by mistake)
[15:52] <yuuioo> Well
[15:52] <yuuioo> The queStion i would like to clarify is
[15:52] <andrew> leftyfb I typed UPGRADE
[15:52] <andrew> (i did not want to upgrade)
[15:52] <andrew> It did this https://pastebin.com/ajevcjmc
[15:52] <yuuioo> How the lpr working after saving the document ?
[15:53] <andrew> It says.. The following packages will be upgraded:
[15:53] <andrew>   libunity-control-center1 unity-control-center-faces
[15:53] <andrew> (but I am using MATE)
[15:53] <leftyfb> andrew: that is a normal way of upgrading the packages on your system. It will not upgrade the distribution to the latest release. Not only is it normal and not going to harm your ubuntu 16.04 install but it is recommended.
[15:53] <andrew> Oh whew thanks
[15:54] <leftyfb> yuuioo: man lpr
[15:54] <andrew> SO apt update is for new sources .. and apt upgrade is for packages?
[15:54] <leftyfb> andrew: correct
[15:54] <andrew> thanks
[15:54] <andrew> (sigh of releif)
[15:54] <leftyfb> andrew: https://askubuntu.com/questions/222348/what-does-sudo-apt-get-update-do
[15:54] <leftyfb> andrew: first result on google for "ubuntu apt-get"
[15:54] <andrew> I have borked so many ubuntu installs.. and am doing my best not to install a bunch of (bleep) (just like in real life)
[15:56] <andrew> leftyfb thanks got it
[15:57] <andrew> OH UBUNTU .. you are my favorite linux operating system -Sheldon Cooper  / Me too. :-)
[16:00] <samthewildone> I just installed Ubuntu ( latest ) and for some reason my wwlan card shows up in ModemManager and I'm able to send text messages from my thinkpad to my mobile phone but not able to get data.
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> andrew, keep this room in mind when you think you've borked your system. there are many here who can help try restore your system without having to start from scratch
[16:00] <samthewildone> On windows I'm able to get data and send texts
[16:03] <andrew> pragmaticenigma i lost so many files so many times
[16:03] <andrew> reinstalling ubuntu is like cleaning rifle lol
[16:04] <andrew> thanks all. keep well
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> samthewildone, is there a pin code or something to enable data?
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> samthewildone, I'm looking here, but it doesn't really specify how to troubleshoot: https://docs.ubuntu.com/core/en/stacks/network/network-manager/docs/configure-cellular-connections
[16:05] <c0r4nn> hello , i have a problem for lauch steam in xubuntu  , c0r4nn@c0r4nn-Lenovo-G505:~$ steam
[16:05] <c0r4nn> tar: Ceci ne ressemble pas à une archive de type « tar »
[16:05] <c0r4nn> xz : (stdin): Format de fichier inconnu
[16:05] <c0r4nn> tar: Child returned status 1
[16:05] <c0r4nn> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[16:05] <c0r4nn> find: ‘/home/c0r4nn/.steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime’: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
[16:05] <samthewildone> pragmaticenigma, not that I'm aware of.
[16:05] <tomreyn> !paste | c0r4nn
[16:05] <samthewildone> pragmaticenigma, also that is the same site I used
[16:05] <samthewildone> !pastebinit
[16:07] <c0r4nn> ok
[16:07] <samthewildone> If I wanted to push two cmds to pastebinit wouldn't it be "$ cmd1 && cmd2 | pastebinit" ?
[16:09] <azizLIGHT> is 2.1 MB/s a normal speed to dd a /dev/sda over to a samba share in a LAN (i think 100 mbps (not gigabit))
[16:09] <azizLIGHT> i did conv=sparse, does that make it slower
[16:10] <pragmaticenigma> samthewildone, I don't know if it works that way
[16:13] <tomreyn> samthewildone: compare this: echo '1' && echo '2' | xargs echo This is what I got:
[16:13] <tomreyn> samthewildone: to this: ( echo '1' && echo '2' ) | xargs echo This is what I got:
[16:14]  * samthewildone passes out 
[16:14] <TJ-> samthewildone: "pastebinit <( cmd1; cmd2 )"
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> azizLIGHT, that all depends on what else is happening on the network at the same time, the I/O throughput of the harddrive, and the I/O throughput of the destination drive on the samba share
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> azizLIGHT, system activity can also affect the transfer speed
[16:16] <pathword> Thank you all tomreyn and pragmaticenigma yesterday; was a bit worried that the mild support that my 3rd party VPN offered for linux would be too difficult for me to bring to Lubuntu, but actually it was very smooth sailing and worked perfectly exactly as they suggested. ~happily residing in W Europe.
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> azizLIGHT, personally, I wouldn't recommend dd'ing a drive over the network. you may encounter dataloss from a corrupt packet
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> pathword, good to hear
[16:18] <tomreyn> pathword: welcome. you're logged in here form an ip address registered to the U.S.A., if this matters.
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> azizLIGHT, conv=sparse has no influence on the transfer speed
[16:20] <pathword> Oh. Oh well, at least I am not physically there.
[16:23] <pathword> Excuse me am just trying to copy a command from an ubuntu forum, but there is a backward slash "\" a couple of times and every time it's at the end of the line.  Would this character normally have a space after it before lib*  ?
[16:23] <tomreyn> pathword: it's actually routed to amsterdam (netherlands) and geo location databases sweem to be aware of this, however.
[16:24] <leftyfb> pathword: got the forum post link?
[16:24] <pathword> Yes tomreyn I find Nl is often seen as NY to some databases.
[16:25] <pathword> leftyfb it's https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010780
[16:26] <tomreyn> pathword: commands are executed after a newline is entered. a backslash at the end of a line overrides the following newline character so command input continues until a non escaped newline character is observed.
[16:26] <oerheks> that \ is mostly used to escape a space in the command/name
[16:26] <leftyfb> pathword: sudo apt-get -y install irssi # will get you what you need
[16:27] <pathword> aha. I think I understand, so those commands are able to be run straight after each other
[16:27] <leftyfb> pathword: you don't need to manually specify all those packages. Just install irssi
[16:27] <pathword> rightio. I heard it was good practice to see the result of each line of command as a general rule.
[16:28] <akik> pathword: that is one command split on three lines
[16:29] <pathword> Ohh. Thanks I probably need some commandline syntax tutorial.
[16:33] <Tryb4l> h
[16:34] <fiona_> Hi all, I'm having issues with installing software-properties-common and have treid all the fixes ive been able to find on google however I get the following error: The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[16:34] <fiona_>  colord : Depends: policykit-1 (>= 0.103)
[16:34] <fiona_>  gnupg : Depends: gnupg-agent (= 2.1.15-1ubuntu6)
[16:34] <fiona_>          Depends: libassuan0 (>= 2.0.1) but it is not going to be installed
[16:34] <fiona_>          Breaks: software-properties-common (<= 0.96.24.3) but 0.96.20.7 is to b
[16:34] <fiona_> e installed
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> !paste | fiona_
[16:35] <akko> tru the fire and flame
[16:35] <leftyfb> fiona_: what version of ubuntu?
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> fiona_: did you add external ppa's of any kind to your system?
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> akko: can we help you?
[16:35] <fiona_> Hi all, I'm having issues with installing software-properties-common and have treid all the fixes ive been able to find on google however I get the following error Im usign Ubuntu Server16.04 LTS
[16:36] <fiona_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/79BGyJsptn/
[16:36] <leftyfb> fiona_: apt-cache policy software-properties-common
[16:36] <fiona_> lotuspsychje: I have previously added external PPA's
[16:36] <leftyfb> fiona_: please post the output of that to pastebin
[16:37] <fiona_> leftyfb: can you direct me to the ppa file, thanks
[16:37] <leftyfb> fiona_: apt-cache policy software-properties-common  # please paste the output of this to pastebin
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> fiona_: for a clean system without dependecy issues we reccomend avoiding ppa's
[16:39] <fiona_> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VbRjBXBWQt/
[16:41] <leftyfb> fiona_: I'm not sure where the breakage is. You'll have to run apt-cache policy on each of the packages listed in your first pastebin and make sure all of them are being pulled from the official ubuntu repo's and not ppa's
[16:45] <fiona_> leftyfb: all packages are pulling from either 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages or 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main i386 Packages
[16:46] <leftyfb> fiona_: did you run this before trying to install your package? # sudo apt-get update
[16:48] <oerheks> always run updates properly before installing something: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:49] <fiona_> oerheks: I have been doing, and met with 0 changes to be made
[16:49] <SkyWay> https://dpaste.de/4PW5 --> anyone got an ideea how to fix this ?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: can you tell us what kind of device your trying to plug?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | fiona_
[16:51] <SkyWay> it's an 3.5" hdd, attached to a dock, and plugged into device via USB3
[16:51] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: it's not a PPA issue
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: mount or transfer issue?
[16:52] <fiona_> lotuspsychje: leftyfb: thats what i thought I just dont understand whats causing it, all ssem to be trying to connect to Ubuntu repos
[16:53] <SkyWay> mount
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: have you tried other ports? wich ubuntu version?
[16:54] <SkyWay> it's a modified xenial port for arm
[16:54] <leftyfb> fiona_: can you install a different package? Like nmap or something that isn't installed?
[16:55] <tomreyn> SkyWay: so it's not ubuntu? then it's not supported here.
[16:55] <fiona_> leftyfb: already installed
[16:55] <leftyfb> fiona_: cowsay
[16:55] <fiona_> leftyfb: it seems to only be software-properties-common
[16:55] <SkyWay> xenial based tomreyn
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> fiona_: tried sudo apt install -f ?
[16:56] <leftyfb> fiona_: ok, try to manually install colord
[16:56] <leftyfb> SkyWay: ubuntu is based on debian. But #debian won't support ubuntu. Same with #ubuntu not supporting modified distributions of ubuntu.
[16:56] <fiona_> lotuspsychje: yep tried that, nothing to change
[16:56] <tomreyn> SkyWay: how did you install it, what does "lsb_release -ds" say, what's the output of "cat /proc/version"?
[16:57] <SkyWay> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4mpSfop4/
[16:58] <SkyWay> Linux version 4.4.114-rockchip-ayufan-193 (root@299c3fc1b858) (gcc version 7.2.0 (Ubuntu/Linaro 7.2.0-6ubuntu1) ) #1 SMP Sun Mar 4 20:24:21 UTC 2018
[16:58] <fiona_> leftyfb: this is the result: colord is already the newest version (1.2.12-1ubuntu1).
[16:58] <IchGucksLive> will there be a Realtime kernal in 18.04
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> IchGucksLive: 4.15
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> IchGucksLive: see #ubuntu+1 for more info on 18.04
[16:59] <leftyfb> fiona_: try the rest of the packages
[17:00] <fiona_> leftyfb: already tried that, tells me they're all installed however at different versions but no updates to be found
[17:00] <tomreyn> SkyWay: so that's not an ubuntu kernel.
[17:00] <kostkon> SkyWay, what's the name of the OS
[17:01] <IchGucksLive> thanks
[17:01] <SkyWay> tomreyn: you say that my problem is from kernel?
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> SkyWay: you could test an ubuntu liveusb from the topic for test?
[17:01] <tomreyn> SkyWay: no, i'm saying you're not using ubuntu and we cannot support you here.
[17:02] <SkyWay> ok, thanks
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> fiona_: your server is updated to .4 also?
[17:05] <fiona_> leftyfb: Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS yep
[17:05] <fiona_> lotuspsychje: yes
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> fiona_: i had a recent dependecy error on 18.04 like that on package sane..had to remove some file manually
[17:06] <fiona_> lotuspsychje: which file did you have to remove?
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> fiona_: holdon, lemme boot other machine if i can find
[17:07] <fiona_> lotuspsychje: ok :)
[17:10]  * pragmaticenigma wonders what purpose IchGucksLive has for realtime kernel
[17:11] <lotus|bionic> fiona_: not saying its related to your issue, but this is how i solved: sudo rm /usr/share/doc/libperl5.26/changelog.Debian.gz and sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[17:12] <leftyfb> fiona_: do not do that
[17:13] <adminw> blurp
[17:17] <tomreyn> fiona_: you said you can install other packages just fine, right?
[17:18] <fiona_> tomreyn: yes thats correct
[17:18] <fiona_> leftyfb: ok I havent
[17:18] <fiona_> I just need to find a solution :/
[17:18] <tomreyn> fiona_: here's a little script to help you identify possible leftover packages you may have on your system from previous PPAs:
[17:19] <tomreyn> https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/foreign_packages
[17:19] <lotus|bionic> tomreyn: +1
[17:19] <tomreyn> fiona_: here's how you can use it: wget -q https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tomreyn/scripts/master/foreign_packages ; chmod +x foreign_packages; sudo apt install -qq apt-show-versions; ./foreign_packages
[17:21] <tomreyn> such leftover packages can easily get in the way when installing other packages, including standard ubuntu ones, due to not being well aligned with the mutual package dependencies ubuntu packages have.
[17:23] <fiona_> tomreyn: thanks i'll give it a go in a sec
[17:23] <dnegreira> I have a question regarding the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list (default). I see that there are xenial and xenial-updates. But I can see that they have exactly the same package version. As far as I can see the -updates are only useful after the (LTS) version is no longer supported but has major bugs, am I getting this straight or is there any other reasont to have -updates enabled ?
[17:23] <tomreyn> fiona_: please post the output of all the commands above.
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> !sources | dnegreira
[17:24] <jeremy31> dnegreira The xenial packages should be the original and any fixes/updates are in -updates
[17:26] <Younder> I installed the standard Ubuntu docker.io package To access docker I need to use 'sudo docker'. That can't be right can it?
[17:26] <geirha> Younder: add your user to the docker group, then log back in
[17:26] <Younder> geirha, did that, No joy
[17:26] <tomreyn> dnegreira: normally, packages should be installed from mirror servers, so you get faster downloads (from servers close to you) and there is not so much stress on any central servers (which everyone would download from). however, new packages are not always spread to mirror servers within minutes or hours, it can take days sometimes. so for security updates, which you want to have as fast as possible, those are actually distributed centrally,
[17:26] <tomreyn> from security.ubuntu.com. everyone downloads form those central servers, to get those updates fast. those updates are later placed on the mirror servers as well.
[17:26] <geirha> sudo adduser "$USER" docker
[17:27] <geirha> Younder: so does  ''groups'' list docker?
[17:28] <geirha> if not, you haven't loged in since the group membership. You can temporarily use docker in a terminal by running ''newgrp docker'', but once you have logged in next time, that won't be necessary anymore
[17:29] <Younder> geirha, 'john adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare libvirtd', so I did a 'adduser john docker' and ogo 'john is already a member of docker.
[17:30] <geirha> Younder: so you haven't logged in after adding your user to the group yet
[17:30] <Younder> geirha, yes
[17:30] <Younder> geirha, I am missing something
[17:31] <geirha> just be clear, opening a new terminal does not count as a log in. You need to actually log out from the menu in the upper right, then log in at the login screen
[17:32] <geirha> If you don't want to log out yet, you can run   newgrp docker   in a terminal to gain the group membership in that particular terminal
[17:32] <Younder> Well, I'll try..
[17:32] <dnegreira> jeremy31: if I compare the package listing in xenial and xenial-updates, they have the same versions (the one that do exist in xenial-updates)
[17:33] <dnegreira> ubottu: the first link did indeed answer my question, but I am still confused that if I check the packages in xenial vs xenial-updates they are the same
[17:33] <jeremy31> dnegreira I don't know then
[17:33] <TJ-> dnegreira: how are you 'checking' ?
[17:34] <dnegreira> one sec
[17:34] <pragmaticenigma> dnegreira, many packages will be the same version if there hasn't been an update applied to them.
[17:34] <Younder> geirha, Ok logged out and in and it works now. Thanks.
[17:36] <dnegreira> so, lets take an example like firefox
[17:36] <dnegreira> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/firefox
[17:36] <dnegreira> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/firefox
[17:36] <dnegreira> they have exactly the same version
[17:36] <dnegreira> is it because it is tagged as a security update, maybe ?
[17:37] <jeremy31> dnegreira look up ndiswrapper
[17:37] <dnegreira> lemme check
[17:38] <dnegreira> jeremy31: indeed :)
[17:38] <TJ-> dnegreira: "apt list -a firefox" might make it clearer for you
[17:39] <tomreyn> fiona_: i'm afraid i need to leave now, but others here should be able to support you in interpreting the script's output,
[17:39] <TJ-> dnegreira: there you can see the latest firefox version is in both -updates and -security but the old version is in the base archive
[17:40] <dnegreira> alright, I think this clarifies, xenial is tagged the stable, and versions are bumped when necessary, for when there are some security updates, the base version is bumped, which makes all the sense
[17:40] <dnegreira> thanks guys
[17:44] <sere> conky: cannot open $~/.conkys/left: No such file or directory
[17:45] <ikonia> you're out of disk space....
[17:45] <kostkon> sere, .conkys or .conky?
[17:45] <oerheks> kostkon +1
[17:46] <fiona_> tomreyn: leftyfb: lotuspsychje: here is the output of foreign packages as per tomreyn's suggestion: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4MHsyGcR56/
[17:46] <ikonia> ooh yes, the extra 's'
[17:46] <ikonia> good spot
[17:46] <sere> kostkon: yea its in conkys and yup the s did it..thanks guys
[17:47] <fiona_> any ideas?
[17:57] <oerheks> looks like artfull packages in xenial..
[17:58] <fiona_> oerheks: artfull?
[18:00] <kostkon> fiona_, 17.10
[18:03] <leftyfb> fiona_: sudo apt-cache clean && sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnupg gnupg-agent libassuan0 libgcrypt20 libgnutls-openssl27 libgnutls30 libgpgme11 libksba8 libldb1 libnpth0 libsmbclient libtasn1-6 libtdb1 libtevent0 libwbclient0 pinentry-curses python-ldb python-samba python-talloc python-tdb samba samba-common samba-common-bin samba-dsdb-modules samba-libs samba-vfs-modules smbclient winbind
[18:07] <leftyfb> fiona_: or: sudo apt-get clean; && sudo apt-get install gnupg=1.4.20-1ubuntu3.1 gnupg-agent=2.1.11-6ubuntu2 libassuan0=2.4.2-2 libgcrypt20=1.6.5-2ubuntu0.4 libgnutls-openssl27=3.4.10-4ubuntu1.4 libgnutls30=3.4.10-4ubuntu1.4 libgpgme11=1.6.0-1 libksba8=1.3.3-1ubuntu0.16.04.1 libldb1=2:1.1.24-1ubuntu3 libnpth0=1.2-3 libsmbclient=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13 libtasn1-6=4.7-3ubuntu0.16.04.3 libtdb1=1.3.8-2 libtevent0=0.9.28-0ubuntu0.16.04.1
[18:07] <leftyfb> libwbclient0=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13 pinentry-curses=0.9.7-3 python-ldb=2:1.1.24-1ubuntu3 python-samba=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13 python-talloc=2.1.5-2 python-tdb=1.3.8-2 samba=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13 samba-common=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13 samba-common-bin=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13 samba-dsdb-modules=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13 samba-libs=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13 samba-vfs-modules=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0
[18:07] <leftyfb> .16.04.13 smbclient=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13 winbind=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0.16.04.13
[18:08] <leftyfb> sorry, didn't realize the amount that was in my buffer :)
[18:08] <fiona_> leftyb invalid operation on clean?
[18:08] <leftyfb> oh?
[18:08] <TJ-> well! that's blown my download cap for the month :D
[18:08] <leftyfb> fiona_: sudo apt-get clean
[18:08] <leftyfb> fiona_: ^ that gives you an error?
[18:08] <fiona_> no works fine
[18:09] <TJ-> leftyfb: you originally typed 'sudo apt-cache clean' :p
[18:09] <leftyfb> bah, I see the issue
[18:09] <leftyfb> both ; and &&
[18:09] <TJ-> well actually hacing the && was a good thing in that case
[18:09] <fiona_> leftyfb: so ... is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. is the next error i come across
[18:10] <kostkon> fiona_, pastebin the error
[18:10] <TJ-> fiona_: are you attempting to upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10 ?
[18:10] <leftyfb> TJ-: no
[18:11] <TJ-> leftyfb: the reason I asked is some of those package versions look to be from 17.10
[18:11] <fiona_> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QDCnxnmshw/
[18:11] <leftyfb> fiona_: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KcjFxbH6Zw/
[18:11] <TJ-> (those 'foreign' package versions that tomreyn's tool reported)
[18:11] <leftyfb> fiona_: it without --reinstall
[18:12] <TJ-> leftyfb: I think it needs the package lists re-fetching
[18:13] <fiona_> TJ-: your paste gives me the following: After this operation, 5,331 kB disk space will be freed.
[18:13] <fiona_> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] - shoudl I proceed with downgrading?
[18:13] <leftyfb> fiona_: yes
[18:13] <Doow> Hi, I'm trying to identify the network card on a laptop/tablet I have. It's supposed to be a Broadcom 43438, but neither lspci, lshw nor lsusb show anything that looks network related from what I can tell.
[18:13] <leftyfb> fiona_: take notice of any packages it says might be removed
[18:14] <leftyfb> Doow: lspci |grep -i net
[18:14] <leftyfb> Doow: if it's not showing up, then it wasn't detected at boot for some reason
[18:14] <fiona_> leftyfb: none to be removed only a suggested list, downgrade and an autoremove
[18:14] <leftyfb> ok
[18:15] <leftyfb> fiona_: when it completes, try installing software-properties-common again
[18:15] <oerheks> Doow, pastebin the whole lspci output please? paste.ubuntu.com
[18:15] <Doow> oerheks: I don't have internet on that machine, so it'll take some fiddling. I'll see what I can do.
[18:16] <oerheks> Doow, a picture might do
[18:18] <fiona_> leftyfb: TJ-: You lovely people thank you software-properties-common has now been successfully installed
[18:18] <oerheks> Doow, what laptop is that exactly?? does it come with fastboot/secureboot UEFI bios? disable fastboot..
[18:20] <oerheks> fasboot could prevent detection/use of wifi/bt adapters
[18:20] <sima> My monitor was turned off from power when starting and now it can't be set to wanted higher resolution
[18:20] <sima> how to make kernel/drivers better recognize it, without resetting machine (i can logoff/logon)
[18:21] <EriC^^> Doow: does 'dmesg' mention anything?
[18:21] <leftyfb> Doow: this is a wireless chipset? If so, maybe the radio is turned off with one of the function keys on the keyboard? Or with a physical switch on the side of your laptop
[18:21] <Doow> oerheks: https://www.acer.com/datasheets/2017/4876/S1003/NT.LECED.003.html
[18:22] <Doow> leftyfb: It is wireless. I tried fn+f3, but I'm not sure how it will show up. Toggling doesn't change the output of lspci at least
[18:23] <Slade> whats ubuntu-standard all about?
[18:23] <leftyfb> Doow: run: dmesg -w
[18:23] <leftyfb> Doow: watch that as you toggle those keys
[18:23] <kostkon> Doow, try  rfkill list  then
[18:23] <leftyfb> Slade: apt-cache show ubuntu-standard
[18:24] <leftyfb> kostkon: rfkill isn't going to do anything if the hardware isn't detected
[18:24] <kostkon> leftyfb, just see if anythign is blocked
[18:24] <Slade> leftyfb, i did. its pretty generic and not very accurate.. popularity-contest is something it depends on
[18:26] <leftyfb> Slade: it's the standard, minimal list of packages needed to get a command line and install/upgrade packages
[18:26] <Slade> its not minimal, otherwise popularity-contest woudldnt be in there
[18:27] <Slade> it seems to be a 'dont touch this' package tho
[18:28] <Slade> slipping in the spyware.. :(
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> Slade: ubuntu 18.04 is gonna add minimal option to desktop
[18:28] <Slade> lotuspsychje, this isnt a desktop install
[18:30] <leftyfb> Slade: it's not spyware
[18:30] <Slade> leftyfb, it automatically reports stuff you do to some server. we might have differing opinions on what spyware is
[18:31] <leftyfb> Slade: it's a meta package. IT doesn't do anything
[18:31] <netochka> How can i access Hexchat directory?
[18:31] <Slade> certainly not part of a minimal list of packages to get a command line
[18:31] <leftyfb> netochka: ~/.config/hexchat
[18:31] <leftyfb> Slade: and upgrade/install packages
[18:32] <kostkon> netochka, snap or not?
[18:32] <netochka> leftyfb,  i need to place a pem file in that directory but i donno how.
[18:32] <kostkon> netochka, for snap version, it's in... ~/snap
[18:32] <Doow> kostkon, leftyfb : rfkill list gives nothing. Although there are a number of rfkill enabled/disabled mentions in the dmesg log (not occuring when I press fn+f3, but since earlier)
[18:33] <Slade> leftyfb, the daily cron job it installs doesnt seem 'meta'
[18:33] <netochka> kostkon, it's not in snap i think.
[18:33] <Slade> or the files in sbin
[18:34] <Slade> anyhow, didnt really want to debate the popularity-contest package. just figure out why its required for ubuntu-standard
[18:34] <leftyfb> Slade: it seems like you've made up your mind about not liking/trusting of the most basic functionalities of ubuntu. There are plenty of other OS's out there for you to try. Might I suggest one from this list: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/linux-distros-paranoid-secure-distros-si/
[18:34] <netochka> The pem file should be placed in certs/network name.pem in the HexChat config directory (~/.config/hexchat/ or %appdata%\HexChat), where network name is the name of the network as it appears in the network list (Ctrl-S). Note that the certs directory does not exist by default and you will have to create it yourself. Once the file is there, all subsequent SSL connections to that network will use the certificate.
[18:34] <netochka> this is all very confusing.
[18:34] <leftyfb> netochka: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[18:35] <Slade> leftyfb, wait, popularity-contest is 'the most basic functionalities of ubuntu' ?
[18:35] <arun007> netochka: ask in #freenode :)
[18:35] <Doow> EriC^^: dmesg doesn't mention anything from what I can see, I just grepped for net and wifi. Possibly this: "audit: initializing netlink subsys"
[18:35] <netochka> leftyfb, i am trying to connect to irc through Tor. https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp . I created a certificate. just can't get hexchat to work with it
[18:35] <leftyfb> Slade: I have not been referring to popularity-content. Only ubuntu-standard which is the only package you have asked for clarification on .
[18:35] <netochka> arun007, ok
[18:36] <TJ-> Slade: I agree with you; popularity-contest should be at most a Recommends, possible a Suggests, but always optional
[18:36] <mojtaba> Hello, Do you know how can I recover a forgotten password? I have ssh access, and I don't want to change the password.
[18:37] <Slade> leftyfb, then we havent been having the same conversation. :)
[18:37] <leftyfb> mojtaba: sudo su && passwd <user>
[18:37] <arun007> netochka: You should add the cert fingerprint for certfp to work
[18:37] <mojtaba> leftyfb: sudo will ask for password!
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> netochka, a cert isn't required for hexchat to work over Tor. You only need to setup Tor to use the proxy server setup by the Tor client software
[18:38] <leftyfb> mojtaba: boot with a live cd/usb, mount drive, chroot to drive, then use passwd <user>
[18:38] <Slade> TJ-, i've been trying to figure out what it'd break to remove it. i dont see anything that depends on it
[18:38] <netochka> arun007, and how to do that
[18:38] <Slade> except the ubuntu-standard
[18:38] <mojtaba> leftyfb: I don't have physical access, just ssh.
[18:38] <TJ-> Slade: remove ubuntu-standard, that's only a meta, then you can remove pop-con without any complaints
[18:38] <leftyfb> mojtaba: contact the admin of the machine
[18:38] <netochka> pragmaticenigma, there is instruction in here but it's confusing for me. https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp
[18:39] <Slade> TJ-, yea it says removing ubuntu-standard might break upgrades to ubuntu tho
[18:40] <TJ-> Slade: I doubt it; I can't find anything that depends on it
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> netochka, again, you do not need a certificate to access IRC via Tor... you just need to set hexchat to use the proxy server created by Tor
[18:40] <Slade> TJ-, bleh :P
[18:40] <TJ-> Slade: also, pop-con was added to ubuntu-standard in 2005 so it's not a recent thing and I'm not sure any tasks even install u-s any more
[18:41] <netochka> pragmaticenigma, how to do that?
[18:41] <TJ-> Slade: well 'standard' task does but I've not seen that used in years
[18:42] <jsync> Hello. Can 2 people within a community set the font for a particular language setting to an Aurebesh (Star Wars) font & type in that language setting & see the Aurebesh font? Would that work?
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> netochka, here's an article that explains what you are trying to do in better detail
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> https://medium.com/@defcon201/tutorial-connecting-to-freenode-via-tor-like-a-boss-f8d74199b634
[18:43] <kostkon> jsync, on irc?
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> I wasn't aware the freenode blocks tor unless the client provides a cert
[18:43] <jsync> In public or any chat program or forum.
[18:43] <Doow> What do people use as a pastebin for images? I'm getting lots of bad and/or have to register sites when just searching. =)
[18:43] <limbo_> Ubuntu doesn't seem to remember wifi keys when I try to connect with another wifi card. Is this normal?
[18:43] <kostkon> jsync, hmm nope
[18:44] <jsync> Why not?
[18:44] <akik> Doow: imgur.com
[18:44] <jsync> So, the couple of people that set farsi language setting to the Star Wars font would not see the Star Wars font that the other individual typed?
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> jsync, only those who set the font as their preferred font would see it. The rest of us will see the text in the font we have set in our settings. IRC doesn't send font information, only the character codes
[18:45] <TJ-> jsync: if the UTF-8 characters are transmitted over the comm channel then the clients are free to use any font they wish to display
[18:45] <akik> Doow: remember to sanitize the pictures of sensitive information
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> Doow, sites require user accounts for images for tracking purposes... there really aren't many anonymous image boards anymore... and choosing one that no one has heard of is likely not going to get any attention
[18:46] <kostkon> jsync, no they wouldn't. and it would take a lot of effort to explain why and also it is beyond the scope of this channel
[18:46] <jsync> I noticed unicode is not friendly to custom language settings. I am within various Star Wars Communities & we want to use Aurebesh language settings to communicate. I'm trying to figure out how to feasibly do that.
[18:46] <Doow> akik: I removed exif, I hope there isn't anything else?
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> jsync, this isn't the appropriate channel for getting help with that
[18:47] <Doow> oerheks: https://imgur.com/a/nYKNK
[18:47] <jsync> What channel should I use?
[18:47] <Doow> oerheks: (That's my lspci)
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> jsync, you can try #irchelp or #freenode
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> Doow, use pastebin for text... pictures make it hard to read text
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> !paste
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> !pastebinit
[18:50] <Doow> pragmaticenigma: I don't have internet on that machine, so oerheks asked me if I could post a picture instead
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> oh, I didn't see that.. my bad Doow
[18:50] <Doow> np =)
[18:52] <Doow> while I'm here, remounting the root file system at runtime would lead to bad things, right? (it's on an usb boot stick that I can't write to because it's read only)
[18:56] <Slade> TJ-, just old stuff then
[18:57] <TJ-> Doow: did you report the make/model of the PC?
[18:58] <Doow> TJ-: it's an Acer One 10 ( https://www.acer.com/datasheets/2017/4876/S1003/NT.LECED.003.html )
[18:59] <TJ-> Doow: which version of Ubuntu is running on it?
[19:00] <Doow> TJ-: 17.10.1
[19:00] <Doow> Desktop
[19:01] <TJ-> Doow: is it the 64-bit version?
[19:02] <Doow> Running might be a stretch, sofar I've failed to run the whole install. It fails when trying to install grub (most likely since it needs to connect to the internet to install 32 bit efi, at least that has helped some people).
[19:02] <TJ-> Doow: ahhh, you're in the installer.
[19:02] <TJ-> Doow: did you use the "Try Ubuntu' session ?
[19:02] <Doow> Yes, 64 bit, but I added a 32-bit EFI file to get it to boot at all, that might be related now that you bring it up.
[19:03] <TJ-> Doow: no, that's a good move, most people wouldn't realise to do that
[19:04] <Doow> TJ-: I've run both the installer directly and from "Try Ubuntu". I'm using "Try Ubuntu" right now.
[19:04] <Doow> TJ-: well some googling, and this channel has been very helpful before ;)
[19:05] <TJ-> Doow: I'm just thinking about if the firmware may have disabled it, or if an ACPI workaround may be needed
[19:06] <TJ-> Doow: I've seen a screenshot of the Windows Device Manager of that system, whuich shows a PCI Broadcom network device. Assuming your system is the same as that then we expect to see it on PIC
[19:06] <implite> hello i have a problem with my unity and could use some help
[19:07] <TJ-> PCI... so if we don't it's possible firmware has disabled it in setup/config at boot-time, OR, it needs to be enabled by Windows-specific ACPI code ... solution to that is to have Linux pretend to be the version of Windows expected by the firmware
[19:07] <EriC^^> implite: what's the problem?
[19:07] <implite> well its not loading up
[19:07] <EriC^^> implite: does the guest account work?
[19:07] <implite> i get just the startx kinda
[19:08] <implite> hmm im not sure if i made guest account
[19:08] <EriC^^> implite: should be there by default
[19:08] <Doow> TJ-: That's good, I wasn't sure if it was PCI or something else.
[19:08] <TJ-> Doow: I have to go to dinner now, but seems you're not alone, even Windows suffers this: https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/405198/aspire-one-10-s1002-network-hardware-gone-after-windows-update-two-computers
[19:08] <implite> ok ill try that and ill come back
[19:09] <Doow> TJ-: I'm going to take a look in bios now to see if I see anything related, if that doesn't work. How do I try the second thing?
[19:09] <Doow> TJ-: Ok, thanks for the help =)
[19:12] <ozbrk> hi guys I need a little help here. Im trying to install ubuntu on my ssd as a dual boot config but I get this error
[19:12] <ozbrk> he partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code. This partition should be marked for use as a "Reserved BIOS boot area" and should be at least 1 MB in size. Note that this is not the same as a partition mounted on /boot.  If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and correct this error, boot loader installation may fail later, although it may still be possible
[19:12] <ozbrk> I ve got 20mb for boot and 1mb for free
[19:13] <EriC^^> ozbrk: 20mb for boot is too tiny
[19:13] <ozbrk> correction it is 33 mb
[19:13] <EriC^^> ozbrk: why not just use /boot as part of the main root fs
[19:14] <ozbrk> will it solve the isue
[19:14] <EriC^^> 512mb+ for /boot
[19:14] <Elliria> Hey there, I recently installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04.4 LTS (Xenial) and am not getting the tilde files that are usually automatically created when you edit text files with Pluma. It doesn't seem to be a Pluma issue because they're also not being created with Geany. Is there a global setting somewhere for this?
[19:15] <ozbrk> sorry for my English Im on the live session now and Ive got Turkish keyboard
[19:15] <EriC^^> ozbrk: are you talking about /boot ? or the bios boot the error message is talking about?
[19:15] <ozbrk> commas and other marks have gone missing for now
[19:15] <EriC^^> cause those are completely different
[19:15] <Doow> Elliria: can you create files otherwise?
[19:16] <ozbrk> Eric Ive got no idea Ive just copied the error over there
[19:16] <Elliria> Doow: Yes, I can create and save and move and copy and delete files normally. It's just that the tilde files are missing.
[19:16] <EriC^^> ozbrk: ok, for the error message you need to create a tiny partition 1-2mb and select the type as "bios boot reserved"
[19:16] <EriC^^> 2mb is more than enough
[19:17] <ozbrk> ok and should I delete the existing boot partition (question mark)
[19:17] <EriC^^> you don't need to have a separate /boot partition for ubuntu, it's easier to just have /boot part of the main filesystem
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> tilde files are often hidden by the file manager... is it possible you not seeing hidden files in your file viewer? Elliria
[19:18] <Elliria> pragmaticenigma: That's just it. I made sure hidden files were visible and the tilde files simply aren't there. It's odd.
[19:18] <ozbrk> I will just add root filesystem and let the system build on it 33gigs it seperated from wintoast for this
[19:19] <sere> i just plugged in a second hdmi and its not showing up in arandr do i need to restart or is there a way to refresh the card or something
[19:19] <sere> nevermind
[19:19] <sere> forgot i disabled it haha
[19:19] <implite> how to i get my unity back on? is there some command that we can see what is going on? when i type unity to start it... it has errors now and it didnt have any problems about 2 hours ago
[19:19] <Elliria> I've only had this OS installed for a couple of weeks and haven't done much to it. Just the usual theme choices, installing a few favorite programs (like Geany and Meld, etc.). Also, any configuration choices I've made were done with the default interfaces that are available in the menu.
[19:20] <EriC^^> Elliria: do they show up in "ls -a /path" ?
[19:21] <implite> un
[19:21] <Elliria> EriC^^: Oooh, I didn't think to check that. One moment.
[19:21] <Elliria> EriC^^: No. They simply don't exist.
[19:22] <implite> unity
[19:22] <implite> compizconfig - Info: Backend     : gsettings
[19:22] <implite> compizconfig - Info: Integration : true
[19:22] <implite> compizconfig - Info: Profile     : unity-lowgfx
[19:22] <implite> (process:2368): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: g_settings_set_value: value for key 'visual-bell-type' in schema 'org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences' is outside of valid range
[19:22] <EriC^^> Elliria: maybe they got deleted? anything in ~/.local/share/Trash/files ?
[19:22] <ozbrk> eric Im quitting and terminating the installation immeddiately as far as a read it is too dangerous to move on. Windows has installed on uefi on this system
[19:22] <implite> Switched to profile 'unity' (for environment 'ubuntu')
[19:22] <kostkon> !paste | implite
[19:23] <EriC^^> ozbrk: aha, if you already have windows on the os, then boot the live usb in uefi mode and install alongside windows
[19:24] <ozbrk> oh is that all... ok hang on for a sec
[19:24] <implite> ok so now im muted?
[19:24] <implite> guess not
[19:24] <ozbrk> implite we can still read you my friend
[19:24] <implite> ok
[19:24] <Elliria> My steps for our test: Open a text file in Pluma. Change something. Click File. Click Save. Close the file. Open the file manager (with Show hidden files enabled in the View menu) and check the desktop. No tilde files. Open the terminal. Change to the desktop. Type ls -a. No hidden files. It's really odd.
[19:25] <implite> maybe i can install xfce or something lighter now
[19:25] <implite> other than unity
[19:27] <implite> what is the package for xfce?
[19:28] <lajos> firefox
[19:28] <oerheks>  xfce4 or try xubuntu-desktop
[19:29] <implite> kk thanks
[19:29] <energizer> I have installed the gnome extensions chrome extension and chrome-gnome-shell, but when I go to extensions.gnome.org i dont get the install button. What's missing?
[19:30] <erasmus> Morty, this is, uh, Unity. We sort of used to, uh...date.
[19:31] <implite> kk ill give it a try thanks oerheks
[19:33] <TJ-> Doow: any progress?
[19:33] <ozbrk_> Im bakc again now on uefi mood of ubuntu live sessin
[19:33] <ozbrk_> eric are you still there
[19:33] <EriC^^> yup
[19:33] <ozbrk_> ok lets give a shot
[19:34] <EriC^^> uefi mood, i like that :D
[19:34] <ozbrk_> Im so uefi moody
[19:34] <ozbrk_> today
[19:34] <EriC^^> haha
[19:35] <ozbrk_> other me is dead
[19:35] <ozbrk_> mourning to him
[19:36] <EriC^^> :D
[19:36] <ozbrk_> now it gave me an alongside option
[19:36] <ozbrk_> oooooh interesting
[19:36] <ozbrk_> it also recognizes the touchpad now
[19:36] <Doow> TJ-: Turns out "network stack" was disabled in the bios, so that's a big facepalm right there. bad news is that haven't been able to boot into "try ubuntu" again after. But I'm not sure if it's related. The machine is doing something, I just get no visual feedback after grub and some early boot logging.
[19:37] <EriC^^> ozbrk_: nice :D
[19:37] <ozbrk_> Keyboard set and all of the marks are here now :D
[19:37] <TJ-> Doow: Well that's progress if you've found it was disabled! Can you intercept the boot manager (GRUB) by tapping Esc whilst starting ??
[19:37] <ozbrk_> finally I've done it! Thanks to you Eric
[19:38] <Doow> TJ-: yeah, I need to put nomodeset in there to get graphics at all.
[19:38] <TJ-> !cookie | EriC^^
[19:38] <sere> ln -s autostart ~/.config/lxsession/autostart
[19:38] <EriC^^> ozbrk_: i barely did anything :P but glad it's working :D
[19:39] <TJ-> Doow: OK, if whilst the OS is starting you're getting the Plymouth-controlled splash screen you should be able to dismiss that and see kernel/init messages by tapping Esc
[19:39] <EriC^^> ozbrk_: enjoy ubuntu it's pretty awesome
[19:39] <ozbrk_> Still I hope this alongside option won't ruin my whole windows and accutaly I'm hoping  that Ubuntu devs have done something to make dualbooting easier
[19:40] <ozbrk_> can't wait to see what's new on the system
[19:41] <ozbrk_> I will start to learn front end developing
[19:41] <EriC^^> cool
[19:42] <Doow> TJ-: I'm not sure what a Plymouth-controlled splash screen is, but when I put nomodeset in there I usually remove 'quiet' and 'splash' at the same time. After that I press f10. First it does some logging, then it switches to more fancy logging and after that the screen goes black. A while after that, if I'm lucky, I get a mousepointer and a gui.
[19:42] <ozbrk_> yah and way cooler thing is I've got a dual screen setup. You are on the bigger one now
[19:43] <TJ-> Doow: I was trying to slip into the conversation subtlely some knowledge :) 'plymouth' is the tool/project that handles the init-time splash screen and any user interactions, it displays the animated dots for example. Pressing Esc sends that away so you can view the console where the kernel and init system are writing messages, which is helpful to identify problems
[19:44]  * tomreyn considers EriC^^ important enough for ozbrk's large screen, too
[19:44] <EriC^^> lol
[19:44] <TJ-> Doow: if you've reached the mousepointer and GUI that's a good thing!
[19:44] <EriC^^> ozbrk_: nice
[19:44] <Doow> TJ-: aha =) Unfortunately no splash screen to dismiss.
[19:45] <TJ-> Doow: right, but you know for the future without needing to ask :p
[19:45] <TJ-> Doow: so do we have any more problems right now or is the installer starting to work?
[19:47] <Doow> TJ-: Enabling the network stack in bios doesn't seem to actually have given me any network right now. I'll go through the same steps I did before and see if I can diagnose it.
[19:48] <TJ-> Doow: OK, "lspci -nnk" to begin with
[19:49] <TJ-> Doow: if it is a bcm device you'll likely need the B43 drivers; the PCI vendor:device ID at the right end of the lspci entries will tell us the exact drive required
[19:51] <Doow> TJ-: lspci still doesn't show anything that looks network related. It's a suspiciously short list of items imho
[19:51] <Doow> (I think identical to the image I posted before)
[19:51] <TJ-> Doow: I did see some info that if it isn't BCM but RealTek (RTL) it's connected on the SPIO bus
[19:52] <TJ-> Doow: same as this? https://imgur.com/a/nYKNK
[19:53] <Doow> yeah
[19:53] <jeremy31> TJ a SDIO Realtek
[19:54] <TJ-> Doow: if it does have the RTL SDIO then we'd need to see in the lspci the Intel Atom SDIO controller which we don't
[19:54] <TJ-> Doow: this is where the ACPI issue I referred to earlier might come in
[19:55] <Doow> TJ-: yeah, that starts to sound likely. Do you have any idea of how to go about that?
[19:55] <TJ-> Doow: usually we deal with this by adding an entry to the kernel command-line of the form acpi_osi= ... and save it in /etc/default/grub but for the installer we obviously can't do that. What we have to do is identify the value required and then you add it manually to the kernel command line when the installer boots
[19:56] <TJ-> Doow: oh yes - I've written the book on this, literally! Read this to get some background but don't try to run the script or commands because we need to do that part manually
[19:56] <TJ-> Doow: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:57] <Doow> TJ-: Thanks, I'll be back in a little bit =)
[19:59] <luis_> holaa
[19:59] <luis_> todpps son usuarops? linux
[19:59] <oerheks> luis_, english only please
[19:59] <TJ-> Doow: the key part is to discover the optimum setting for your system, using "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows  | sort" and use what appears to be the latest version, so you would end up adding to the kernel command-line: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX"  (note the double quotes are required as shown)
[20:03] <chris26> hi. How could I export the output of commands I seeing through the command 'watch' in files?
[20:07] <ioria> cristian_c, watch = ncurses , i think you can't, but i could be wrong
[20:09] <chuck_> hello world
[20:09] <mark_john> hi everyone
[20:09] <TJ-> chris26: pipe the output of the commands through 'tee -a /tmp/watch.log' maybe?
[20:09] <mark_john> hey, u wont believe
[20:10] <mark_john> my graphical interface is broken so i use my linux in the terminal mode
[20:10] <mark_john> ive installed ubuntu-desktop utile
[20:10] <chuck_> checking out bananapi with matia
[20:11] <mark_john> hey
[20:11] <chris26> TJ-, that's still not working. I am getting only the final output on watch.log
[20:11] <mark_john> is smne gonna answer me
[20:11] <mark_john> ?
[20:11] <mark_john> i think im alone here
[20:11] <TJ-> chris26: how exactly are you formatting the command?
[20:12] <mark_john> in the startup
[20:12] <mark_john> u can type ctr+alt+f1
[20:12] <chris26> TJ-, sudo watch <command> | tee -a watch.log
[20:12] <mark_john> to enter boot terminal
[20:12] <chuck_> ok this was fun im out seeya
[20:13] <TJ-> chris26: ahh, no, you're piping the final output of watch with that, try this: "watch -n 2 sh -c 'date | tee -a /tmp/watch.log' "
[20:13] <god_> Hell0
[20:13] <TJ-> chris26: you need to use the pipe /inside/ the shell that watch executes
[20:13] <ioria> chris26, or try with a while loop
[20:13] <skinux> A guy in #nginx told me to figure out my problem myself. I'm getting white screen of death and no error log data. He mentioned doing something with /etc/proc, but I don't know what to do.
[20:13] <mark_john> god_: yo
[20:14] <mark_john> does someone know his disk's path, like /dev/sdb5
[20:15] <skinux> That is a typical disk path, it's been my root for like the past 3 installations.
[20:15] <TJ-> skinux: white screen of death where? when booting?
[20:15] <skinux> Nah, in web browser, from local web server.
[20:15] <TJ-> skinux: oh! well that sounds very server-specific :)
[20:15] <skinux> I'm hoping someone can tell me how using /etc/proc will help troubleshoot.
[20:16] <chris26> TJ-, thank you so much, that worked! :)
[20:16] <god_> Partition, USB device, ssd/hard drive, local server,
[20:16] <leftyfb> skinux: it won't, since there's no such thing as /etc/proc
[20:16] <TJ-> skinux: there is no /etc/proc ... do you mean /proc/ which is the pseudo file-system the kernel presents so you can see/control it's internals?
[20:16] <TJ-> chris26: Yay :)
[20:16] <resit> selam
[20:16] <leftyfb> skinux: what does nginx have to do with "the white screen of death"?
[20:17] <TJ-> leftyfb: I presume tnginx isn't serving a page and yet isn't reporting an error in it's log
[20:17] <leftyfb> ah
[20:17] <leftyfb> sounds like a #php issue to me
[20:17] <skinux> OKay
[20:18] <TJ-> skinux: is there any response from the server? have you (from the client) tried: "wget -S -O - http://server/"
[20:18] <leftyfb> also could turn on debug in php
[20:18] <TJ-> oh, gone! that was quick
[20:18] <leftyfb> no patience that one
[20:18] <resit> selam
[20:18] <leftyfb> resit: can we help you with something?
[20:18] <resit> where are you from turkey
[20:19] <leftyfb> resit: no. resit do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:22] <Doow> TJ-: Adding those lines doesn't seem to have changed anything either (lspci still shows the same thing, rfkill doesn't list anything and pressing fn+f3 doesn't change anything either). I added acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX" after nomodeset, before the three dashes, was that the right place?
[20:22] <TJ-> Doow: did you replace the XXXX with the value from your system??
[20:22] <Doow> 2015, yes
[20:22] <leftyfb> Doow: tried going into the bios and making sure wifi is enabled and then disabling the hotkeys to turn off the radio?
[20:23] <TJ-> Doow: phew! OK, so many people enter XXXX literally.
[20:23] <TJ-> leftyfb: Doow found the network was disabled in firmware earlier and enabled it
[20:23] <Doow> TJ-: sorry, I'm being sloppy
[20:23] <leftyfb> odd
[20:23] <TJ-> Doow: it might be worth re-checking in case the firmware disabled it again!
[20:24] <Doow> leftyfb: it probably was my fault, I had to disable a bunch of stuff to get grub to boot at all, so I probably did one too many....
[20:24] <Doow> TJ-: good thinking
[20:24]  * TJ- would like to send Acer to sit on the naughty step for all the problems they cause with their buggy firmware
[20:24] <Younder> Me I needed an obscure atheros driver when my wifi didn't work
[20:24] <Doow> I need to eat something, I'll be back in while
[20:25] <Doow> Thanks for all the time you're putting into this.
[20:25] <TJ-> Doow: try a 'factory default reset' in firmware maybe, then only change the bits required to boot S.B. off I presume)
[20:26] <TJ-> Younder: right, but you actually had a network device to add a driver to :D
[20:26] <AuroraAvenue> I am looking for a single player Ubuntu game for Sunday night - Which one should I play for free ?
[20:26] <AuroraAvenue>                                                                           
[20:26] <TJ-> AuroraAvenue: One I love is 'ping localhost' gives me hours of entertainment :P
[20:27] <AuroraAvenue> How ?
[20:27] <TJ-> AuroraAvenue: sorry, I was jesting... I find it addictive watching ping replies :)
[20:28] <luka_33> TJ if you're into that check out tcpdump
[20:28] <AuroraAvenue> OKAY ! but what game should I play ?
[20:28] <TJ-> luka_33: How did you know my favorite!?
[20:28] <luka_33> tcpdump "hostname" is neat to dig through
[20:28] <leftyfb> AuroraAvenue: progress quest
[20:28] <TJ-> luka_33: I can read libpcap output in my sleep
[20:28] <geirha> nethack
[20:28] <luka_33> lmfao took me a while to find that program.
[20:28] <luka_33> ironically because I saw something similar in windows
[20:29] <luka_33> and wanted the linux equivolent
[20:29] <TJ-> luka_33: yes, tcpdump and ss are extremely useful low-level diagnostic tools
[20:29] <AuroraAvenue> you're all just hackers :(
[20:29] <luka_33> ss?  Not encountered that before
[20:29] <luka_33> Single player game?
[20:29] <TJ-> luka_33: it's the modern more capable replacement to netstat
[20:29] <leftyfb> AuroraAvenue: this is a support channel.
[20:30] <luka_33> Play dwarf fortress
[20:30] <luka_33> it's even in the repo
[20:30] <luka_33> and TJ good scheisse, I'll check it out
[20:30] <AuroraAvenue> I want an arcade game , please ?
[20:30] <leftyfb> AuroraAvenue: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:30] <luka_33> Erm
[20:30] <luka_33> Sorry mate, I don't actually use Ubuntu
[20:30] <geirha> supertux then
[20:30] <leftyfb> luka_33: why are you here if you don't run ubuntu?
[20:31] <AuroraAvenue> boobs.
[20:31] <leftyfb> !op | AuroraAvenue
[20:31] <Budgii> Question on the wifi connection.. it's wheeling constantly, but it's connected. maybe just a glitch.
[20:31] <luka_33> Curiousity, helping noobs, learning stuff
[20:31] <luka_33> mostly learning
[20:32] <TJ-> Budgii: that sometimes happens if the DHCP lease isn't gained
[20:32] <TJ-> Budgii: other times it can be if a VPN is configured to auto-connect and that isn't completing
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, please don't misuse the !op command
[20:32] <luka_33> open a terminal and use wifi-menu:>
[20:32] <leftyfb> Budgii: TJ-: I've seen Network Manager do that even though the connection was fine
[20:32] <Budgii> Okay, strange it just went away. it's always there I swear LOL
[20:32] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: oh? Got another way to report trolls to ops?
[20:32] <Budgii> maybe it just needed a refresh
[20:33] <TJ-> Budgii: it might be there was some follow-up IPv6 stuff going on, sometimes that can delay final completition
[20:33] <Flannel> pragmaticenigma, leftyfb: it's all good.
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> you ignore them leftyfb ... they ain't got bite unless you let them
[20:33] <TJ-> Budgii: if you're intrgued you can check /var/log/syslog - Network Manager is extremely verbose in there as to what it is doing
[20:34] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: ok, I'll continue to use "!"op as needed then
[20:34] <luka_33> If you want a weird bug, my router runs perfectly with linux; but when I boot into my teeny windows partition the router starts a reconnect loop
[20:34] <luka_33> Only stops when I disable/enable the ethernet connection
[20:34] <luka_33> bloody weird
[20:34] <luka_33> So thanks linuxs; I guess.
[20:34] <Budgii> TJ-, have read enough verbose text for the last week xD how just type in terminal `/var/log/syslog - Network Manager'?
[20:35] <TJ-> Budgii: if you want to 'watch' the messages as they come in: "tail -f /var/log/syslog"
[20:35] <nmrp3> hi - I think my usb microphone is killing my computer's USB subsystem
[20:35] <nmrp3> I have logs
[20:35] <TJ-> nmrp3: sounds painful
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, does the computer behave when the USB audio device is removed?
[20:36] <nmrp3> yea - it is - once usb crashes I can't get anything on usb to work - plugging in a new keyboard to a new usb port doesn't work
[20:36] <Budgii> TJ- actually has a bunch of connections failing, but i'm not having any issues
[20:36] <nmrp3> pragmaticenigma: I'm still trying to work that out, but it does seem to crash more reliably with the microphone in
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, that doesn't quite answer the question. if you unplug the microphone, does the computer return to a usable state?
[20:37] <leguetteur>  /msg NickServ REGISTER
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> leguetteur, if you are trying to register, remove the space at the beginning of the line
[20:37] <TJ-> nmrp3: does the USB audio device work in another PC? does it require external power maybe?
[20:37] <Budgii> TJ-, holy moly it's erroring out a lot. still doing stuff
[20:37] <TJ-> Budgii: right, so now you have clues yes?
[20:37] <ExpensiveWiiW> hello
[20:38] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, some error messages are normal
[20:38] <nmrp3> https://pastebin.com/XRUKDEkV
[20:38] <leguetteur> pragmaticenigma, thx
[20:38] <ExpensiveWiiW> can I disable op-in collect data in ubuntu news recently?
[20:38] <nmrp3> pragmaticenigma: No, once it is broken it remains broken until I reboot
[20:38] <Budgii> CTRL-EVENT-SSID-TEMP-DISABLED id=0 ssid="CupOWiFi" auth_failures=2 duration=20 reason=CONN_FAILED
[20:38] <Budgii> seeing that a lot
[20:39] <nmrp3> the usb microphone sometimes works fine
[20:42] <nmrp3> from the log it looks like something panicks and then unregisters everything
[20:42] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, WiFi is a race condition environment. if more than one device tries to talk at a time, they block each other. the protocol will try again after random time
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, the usb microphone doesn't support the computer entering a power save state
[20:43] <Budgii> pragmaticenigma, i'll just take that as a system 'error' that I can ignore.. :)
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, or the USB controller doesn't support the computer entering a power save state
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, if it more readily happens when the USB microphone is plugged in. I would suspect it's the microphone. And the solution there is to not leave the microphone plugged in unless you are using it
[20:45] <nmrp3> pragmaticenigma:  you can see from the timings of the log that I was using it and there wasn't time for the computer to head towards hibernation or suspend
[20:45] <nmrp3> do you mean something else by power save?
[20:46] <TJ-> nmrp3: you should ask in #ubuntu+a since it's 18.04
[20:47] <nmrp3> JT: it was doing the same on 17.10
[20:48] <TJ-> nmrp3: I'd rather suspect it's trying to draw too much current from the ports and the chipset is shutting down to protect itself. Best to check /var/log/kern.log
[20:48] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, do you mean #ubuntu+1 ??
[20:49] <ozbrk> hi guys after travelling a little around the ubuntu 17.04 I decided to remove it and install ubuntu LTS instead which I expected a lot less errors. What do you think about the new release
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, like TJ- mentioned since you're on 18.04 you may receive better help in #ubuntu+1 ... If the microphone has an external power supply, try hooking that up to the microphone. It is possible it's trying to draw more current than the computer is designed for
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> ozbrk, we don't know about the new release, since it hasn't been released yet.
[20:51] <nmrp3> https://pastebin.com/LyRB4M9A
[20:52] <nmrp3> OK thanks - I'll see if it can be powered - that's my kernel logs - looks like xhci_hcd is panicking
[20:52] <cristian_c> ioria: maybe, you was talking to another user
[20:54] <implite> can anyone help me with this?
[20:54] <implite> https://pastebin.com/j0qtUvyW
[20:54] <implite> my unity is crashing
[20:55] <kostkon> implite, you could try resetting unity/compiz
[20:55] <implite> sure give me the command and ill try it
[20:56] <pragmaticenigma> cristian_c, if it's been more than an hour or two, you might need to repeat your question to room to help refresh the topic
[20:57] <slicktux> So, I've just installed ubuntu on my system and its running fine, thus far, but I'm noticing that when I do ls /dev/sd* I only get sda and sda1; is that normal for the default install of ubunutu? What happened to sda2 and 3?
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> slicktux, It depends on how the drive was formatted. It is normal to only have one partition on the drive
[20:58] <kostkon> implite, dconf reset -f /org/compiz/   also  unity --reset-icons   then unity   or  setsid unity
[20:59] <slicktux> pragmaticenigma: Well, yes I understand that the /boo can be mounted during boot; I was just wondering if that was default behavior for a fresh install; I just used the whole drive
[20:59] <sunrunner20> brilliant.
[20:59] <sunrunner20> what was the last version of ubuntu that'd actually run on ESXi?
[21:00] <sunrunner20> current version just locks up after a few minutes
[21:01] <implite> Kostkon it gave me process:3395 glib-gio-warning outside of valid range
[21:01] <implite> when i ran unity --reset-icons
[21:01] <kostkon> implite, ignore it, at least for now
[21:02] <pragmaticenigma> what version of Ubuntu slicktux ?
[21:03] <implite> Koston when i try unity command it fails to start job
[21:03] <implite> oops
[21:03] <implite> kostkon
[21:03] <kostkon> implite, what about sesid unity
[21:03] <kostkon> setsid unity*
[21:04] <implite> no package found
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> slicktux, I only have /dev/sda1 in my Ubuntu 16.04 installation.
[21:04] <implite> kk i see there is a typo
[21:04] <implite> ill try setsid unity
[21:05] <implite> same thing.. job failed to start
[21:07] <kostkon> implite, same error?
[21:07] <implite> yes
[21:08] <kostkon> implite, you could try reinstalling ubuntu-desktop
[21:08] <implite> how do i do that?
[21:08] <kostkon> implite, sudo apt-get clean  and then  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[21:08] <implite> ok
[21:09] <bugzbunny> Hello, is anyone having issue importing music into Banshee? It's crashing here with free() invalid pointer?
[21:09] <implite> ok i did it
[21:10] <implite> now what restart or?
[21:10] <kostkon> implite, better reboot just in case
[21:10] <implite> ok
[21:10] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: run it with ubuntu-bug and create a bug report
[21:10] <implite> ill be back thanks!
[21:11] <bugzbunny> I already created a bug report, can ubuntu-bug pick up on the bug you already created?
[21:12] <bugzbunny> To send in more information?
[21:12] <implite> Kostkon: its still the same thing... it just loads x and not unity
[21:12] <nmrp3> ok it looks like perhaps I was plugging too many usb devices through the one usb port on the computer
[21:12] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: look at man ubuntu-bug
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, nmrp3 that would likely do it
[21:12] <nmrp3> I've spread them about a bit more, with the microphone on its own usb3 socket rathr than sharing a hub
[21:12] <kostkon> implite, same error?
[21:12] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: you can save its output to a file and append that to your bug report: ubuntu-bug --save=/tmp/banshee.txt banshee
[21:13] <leftyfb> tomreyn: man ubuntu-bug shows how to add information to an exiting bug report
[21:13] <implite> well i think so.. when i reboot it does not show me error but yes i think its the same
[21:14] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: right, do as leftyfb says
[21:14] <nmrp3> mm, now I'm getting "error: alsa-input: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_format failed: Invalid argument"
[21:14] <bugzbunny> I was trying with apport with no sucess, will try with ubuntu-bug
[21:14] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: it's the same application
[21:15] <implite> kostkon i also installed now xfce4 just to see if it would work and when i try xfce4 command it gives me some error too
[21:15] <bugzbunny> I tried --save filename, but from your description, looks like --save=filename, as far as adding to already filed bug report. I'll go over the man page again
[21:16] <kostkon> implite, can you get to the login screen?
[21:16] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: just: ubuntu-bug banshee
[21:17] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: actually it is: apport-collect BUGID
[21:17] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: sorry for the confusion
[21:17] <supernovah> Whats the escape for the exit code of the last command
[21:18] <supernovah> IS it $?
[21:18] <implite> kostkon: with ctl+alt+f7 ? no i cant because that key command is not working in x i think
[21:18] <kostkon> implite, where do you end up after a reboot?
[21:19] <tomreyn> supernovah: i'm not sure what you mean by escape, but "echo $?" does return the exit code of the previously executed command
[21:19] <supernovah> Well what is `$?` called
[21:19] <supernovah> OIt
[21:19] <implite> kostkon i have it to autologin so i goto x now... but until like 2 hours ago i was always going into unity just fine
[21:19] <supernovah> It's a variable called `question mark` ?
[21:19] <tomreyn> supernovah: i don't know whether it has a name
[21:20] <kostkon> implite, and what happened in the meantime?
[21:20] <implite> kostkon: i watched a video on youtube and then turned off computer and then this happened
[21:20] <kostkon> implite, interesting
[21:22] <bugzbunny> tomreyn: Yeah, was looking at taht too
[21:22] <implite> kostkon is there a way i can start xfce4 ? i have installed it just to see if it would also fail but idk how to start it from commands
[21:22] <bugzbunny> So reportnumber is not apportnumber but the actual bug report number
[21:22] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: right
[21:23] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, if the devices are working, you can probably ignore that error message
[21:24] <kostkon> implite, what's your graphics card? also have oyu checked your logs for any other errors, including .xsession-errors.
[21:24] <kostkon> implite, firstly, try a  sudo service lightdm restart
[21:24] <implite> kostkon its amd laptop
[21:25] <nmrp3> arecord -L to list all devices and pasted in the 'default' of that into OBS, and now it works
[21:25] <supernovah> After running `sudo make install`, I presume this source code informed the operating system somehow that it exists, besides just creating a binary or symlink in `/usr/local/bin`. How does it do that and how can I determine if the system knows it is installed
[21:26] <supernovah> That is after an autoconfigure script generated the makefile btw
[21:36] <implite> kostkon: i turned off my autologin and then restarted and got into guest account then unity works however when i switch back to my main account it fails
[21:36] <bugzbunny> Is it possible to see bug reports you submit? On bugzilla, I typically just go to 'My Bugs'
[21:37] <bugzbunny> Ahh, I figured it out
[21:37] <kostkon> implite, try resetting compiz and unity again, and this time also gnome with  rm -rf .gnome2/ .gnome2_private/ .config/ .gconfd/ .gconf/ .gnome/
[21:38] <implite> ok what command do i run first?
[21:38] <kostkon> implite, will not make a difference
[21:39] <cristian_c> pragmaticenigma: I've not asked no questions today
[21:39] <cristian_c> -not
[21:40] <pragmaticenigma> cristian_c, no worries... just seemed random at the time
[21:42] <implite> kostkon: wowowowow you got it!!!1
[21:42] <implite> hehehehe!
[21:42] <kostkon> implite, nice
[21:43] <implite> well its not all there yet
[21:43] <implite> but let me restart
[21:43] <kostkon> implite, you've lost your customisations
[21:43] <implite> thats fine
[21:43] <implite> ill fix it later
[21:43] <implite> brb and ill let you know what has happened
[21:43] <kostkon> implite, ok
[21:43] <implite> restarting
[21:47] <Guest34236> kostkon yes!!! you rule man! what was the last command you gave me?
[21:48] <kostkon> Guest34236, this one? rm -rf .gnome2/ .gnome2_private/ .config/ .gconfd/ .gconf/ .gnome/
[21:48] <kostkon> oops
[21:48] <kostkon> implite,
[21:48] <implite> ya im going to save that one
[21:49] <implite> thanks!!!! that saved me from reinstalling everything
[21:49] <implite> i really didnt want to do that
[21:50] <kostkon> implite, np. oh also make a note of the other two i gave you: dconf reset -f /org/compiz/   and   unity --reset-icons
[21:50] <implite> it still kinda does not explain how it happened to me i think but im not bothered
[21:52] <kostkon> implite, if it happens again then it surely will be a good time to start investigating it
[21:53] <AdamEternal> Is there a way to get Steam to work on pre-SSE3 processors?
[21:53] <TJ-> kostkon: we've been seeing that alot recently - the other day I had a user that fixed it by removing $HOME/.cache/
[21:54] <AdamEternal> I'll see how that goes.
[21:54] <AdamEternal> Thanks in advance.
[21:54] <kostkon> TJ-, we've had some unity compiz updates coming in recently might not be a coincidence
[21:54] <implite> kostkon: sure np! atleast i could use hexchat from terminal and other things. I think ill start backing up all my stuff also encase of some kind of other failures
[21:56] <kostkon> implite, hint: sudo snap install hexchat (in case you are using the one from the repos) will get you the latest version  you'll have to set it up again though
[21:57] <implite> whats snap??? is that replacement for apt-get?
[21:57] <Kon-> a Snap is kind of like an .msi on Windows
[21:58] <Kon-> You download it and it installs everything the application needs
[21:58] <TJ-> implite: no! it's an alternative for self-contained applications that can't be bothered, or are unable, to integrate properly with the system libraries
[21:58] <TJ-> implite: snap is a wrapper around LXD containers
[21:58] <implite> Wow soooo much to learn
[21:58] <implite> haha
[21:58] <implite> thanks guys!
[21:59] <bugzbunny> snap install everything an application needs?
[22:00] <bugzbunny> Is that correct? I had assumed snap was self contained
[22:00] <Moshe> I can't change sound volume from the keyboard or headset. Only from the GUI. What am I missing?
[22:00] <implite> ya all the dependencies?
[22:00] <bugzbunny> Okay, TJ replied and answered
[22:00] <Frjd> Is it bad practice to install a .deb intended for a newer release of ubuntu? i.e from launchpad?
[22:02] <Kon-> bugzbunny, it is self-contained
[22:02] <luka_33> I think that's the idea
[22:02] <luka_33> Normally installing something you install it's dependencies as well
[22:03] <luka_33> But with snap you'd get all that in one package
[22:03] <cheguacamole> implite Konversation is my favourite irc chat protocol so far. I've really whored them all and I'm a nooby too. The online manual is excellent.
[22:04] <luka_33> w e e c h a t
[22:04] <implite> is there something wrong with my hexchat im using now?
[22:04] <luka_33> no, you're good dude
[22:04] <implite> i dont understand
[22:04] <luka_33> If it works for you than it works for you.
[22:04] <cheguacamole> weechat is almost as hard to manage as irssi :)
[22:05] <implite> lol i come from talksoup and mirc
[22:05] <bugzbunny> Yeah, it solves, it should always works vs taking extra space
[22:05] <luka_33> no it's not!
[22:05] <luka_33> It's m i n i m a l
[22:05] <implite> so hexchat is like way better
[22:05] <CarlFK> anyone have any advice on setting up an anonymous ftp server?  (I used proftpd  6 years ago, not sure where my conf files are...)
[22:06] <bugzbunny> CarlFK: Uh, I am trying to think what I used my torrent server
[22:06] <bugzbunny> vsftpd
[22:07] <bugzbunny> It's pretty light weight and pretty easy imho to setup a quick and dirty anon ftp server
[22:07] <implite> hmm how do i turn on my chat logging in hexchat again however?
[22:07] <bugzbunny> Should be safe for the most part if you plan to put it on the interwebs
[22:07] <cheguacamole> hexchat has it's own channel
[22:07] <pragmaticenigma> hey everyone, let's move these topics to the offtopic room. #ubuntu-offtopic is a better place
[22:07] <implite> ill ask there then
[22:07] <bob_> I have Windows 10 on a Drive 1 under C partition. I have another partition also on Drive 1 that I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 on. I installed it with a "/" mount point, When I boot my computer up, I don't get asked which OS I'd like to use, it auto boots into windows 10. How do I get presented with a choice without having to press F11 all the time for the boot menu
[22:08] <cheguacamole> try /msg ALIS list *hexchat*
[22:08] <Moshe> I can't change sound volume from the keyboard or headset. Only from the GUI. What am I missing?
[22:08] <Frjd> Is there any potential harm in installing a .deb from launchpad intended for a newer release of Ubuntu?
[22:09] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, yes, there is harm
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, what are you trying to install?
[22:10] <Frjd> Rofi, the version in 17.10 is 1.3 something, I tried building from source but I'm missing package 'check' and googling doesn't give me anything
[22:11] <Frjd> Bionic Beaver package is version 1.5-01 which is the latest
[22:11] <bugzbunny> Frjd: dependency hell
[22:11] <bugzbunny> But if it doesn't rely on so much, it could get away with it
[22:11] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, Bionic Beaver will be released in the next month. Surely you can wait a little while longer for mainstream supprt?
[22:11] <bob_> Anyone know?
[22:12] <pragmaticenigma> bugzbunny, don't recommend that... it could have unintended consequences and really make a mess of things
[22:12] <Frjd> Need my new features today :P
[22:12] <tomreyn> !latest
[22:13] <Frjd> Okay, so long story short, not recommended. Do you have any idea what package this check program might be in?
[22:13] <kostkon> Frjd, which one?
[22:14] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, is there something about the newest version that you are looking for?
[22:14] <bugzbunny> pragmaticenigma: okay, people might be desprate
[22:14] <TJ-> Frjd: apt-cache depends -i rofo indicates the dependencies in 18.04 are much more extensive than in 17.10, so I suspect you'll have problems
[22:14] <bugzbunny> I feel, they should atleast understand
[22:14] <Frjd> It has icon support in the launcher
[22:14] <TJ-> oops, rofi, not rofo
[22:14] <bugzbunny> Instead of just NO
[22:14] <tomreyn> Frjd: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=check&mode=exactfilename&suite=artful&arch=any
[22:14] <kostkon> !info rofi artful
[22:14] <pragmaticenigma> bugzbunny, better to confirm that it is urgent than risk angering someone by making their computer unusable
[22:16] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, the icon support may only work in a new versions of the desktop environments. seems like a big risk for a visual enhancement
[22:17] <Frjd> Yeah, no I'm not risking breaking my system, however I'm using the latest version of the WM so it's probably going to work if I build it from source
[22:18] <Frjd> Just need to find out which `check` it needs none of those that tomreyn linked seems to fit except keyringer maybe
[22:18] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, If your comfortable building it yourself, I feel that would be a safer route
[22:18] <bugzbunny> Right
[22:18] <bugzbunny> Much safer
[22:18] <TJ-> Frjd: ensure you can install the rofi build-depends for the 18.04 package; 'check' will be in one of those
[22:18] <bugzbunny> But it might be hell if the program you are trying to compile need specific code that you don't have
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> learning experience
[22:19] <Frjd> I have all those packages though
[22:20] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, the risk is that the .deb may instruct the install of a supporting library that deprecates or removes support for something in older versions of your system. You may have luck in reaching out to the developer to see if they have any recommendations
[22:21] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, on how to compile and build for the Ubuntu version you are using... may also want to check their forums
[22:22] <Frjd> There are install instructions on the github page with build dependencies, I've installed all those though
[22:22] <TJ-> Frjd: on 18.04 'check' is a unit test framework
[22:22] <TJ-> !info check bionic
[22:23] <CarlFK> bugzbunny: thanks - found https://wiki.debian.org/vsftpd  "anonymous_enable=YES"  that looks easy enough ;)
[22:23] <Frjd> TJ-, thanks
[22:32] <heartmeat> find tara westov
[22:32] <heartmeat> @find tara westov
[22:37] <leftyfb> heartmeat: can we help you with something?
[22:38] <heartmeat> no - apologies, wrong tab
[22:38] <leftyfb> ya think?
[22:41] <CarlFK> anonymous ftp server behind nat.  trying to make it easy for people to send me files.  do I need to forward more than port 21?
[22:41] <leftyfb> CarlFK: no
[22:42] <TJ-> CarlFK: not if the server/client do PASV mode
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> I thought it was port mode?
[22:43] <TJ-> CarlFK: netfilters generally needs conntrack ftp modules loaded too
[22:43] <CarlFK> TJ-: that sounds familiar...
[22:44] <TJ-> 'real' FTP uses port 21 for control and port 20 (server->client) for data; PASV mode lets the client do the PASV initialisation (client>server)
[22:44] <bugzbunny> yeah
[22:44] <bugzbunny> The contrack will help
[22:45] <bugzbunny> The issue I've come across the most time, is the the client, I would have to readup PASV would do it?
[22:45] <bugzbunny> I had issues where PASV wasn't enough, PASV sends to the clients what ports to connect to right?
[22:46] <TJ-> bugzbunny: that's the idea, because the client is usually behind NAT, it can't accept incoming, so it initiates the data port connection
[22:46] <CarlFK> how do I "conntrack ftp modules loaded"
[22:46] <TJ-> but the NAT needs to be doing connection-tracking and allowing RELATED conections
[22:47] <bugzbunny> He is running the server
[22:47] <bugzbunny> So 20-21, and contract ftp should be modprobe
[22:47] <bugzbunny> I don't know the module name
[22:48] <CarlFK> I have this:  iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst 98.223.145.234 -p tcp --dport 20 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.143:20
[22:48] <CarlFK> client http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tD2xrJMhS3/
[22:49] <CarlFK> er, both 20 and 21
[22:49] <TJ-> CarlFK: "modprobe nf_conntrack_ftp; modprobe  nf_nat_ftp"
[22:50] <CarlFK> TJ-: progress!! 553 Could not create file.
[22:51] <TJ-> CarlFK: that's a server permissions issue
[22:51] <TJ-> CarlFK: review the server's log
[22:51] <Cyber_Akuma> Would anyone be able to recommend a Ubuntu tool to scan and repair ntfs drives?
[22:52] <bugzbunny> From ntfs-3g should be enough, I believe it's called ntfsfix
[22:52] <bugzbunny> But I would recommend simply boot into Windows and let windows fix it
[22:53] <bugzbunny> Keep in mind thought, what problem are you having? The fastboot, usually ntfs-3g mentions that in mount if that's the case
[22:54] <Frjd> Building from source was successful, check in the repos was too old but since it was just unit tests I managed to go into the configure script and disable the check
[22:54]  * CarlFK rages. 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot()
[22:55] <bugzbunny> vsftpd is Very Secure FTPD
[22:55]  * TJ- thinks CarlFK hasn't correctly configured it :)
[22:55] <TJ-> bugzbunny: refusing to write is definitely very secure
[22:55] <CarlFK> where is "very easy to upload files" ftp ?p
[22:55] <TJ-> hehehe
[22:56] <bugzbunny> First, If I recall, I don't run vsftpd as root
[22:56] <TJ-> CarlFK: the reason for the security is that FTP uses plain text protocol which reveals passwords etc
[22:56] <bugzbunny> Especailly if you plan to put it on interwebs, all you have to make sure the user vsftpd is running as, is able to write to that directory
[22:57] <TJ-> CarlFK: always best to use some form of encryption, FTPS (using STARTTLS or pure TLS port)
[22:57] <bugzbunny> TJ-: He setting up anon ftp
[22:57] <TJ-> bugzbunny: ahhh... I'd use an HTTP server for that!
[22:57] <TJ-> guaranteed to work through NAt and firewalls, proxies, etc.
[22:59] <bugzbunny> I never setup filesharing with HTTP
[22:59] <bugzbunny> That's interesting
 But I would recommend simply boot into Windows and let windows fix it <--- Windows can't read the drive
[23:00] <Cyber_Akuma> But ubuntu can
[23:01] <bugzbunny> What do you mean Windows can't read the drive?
[23:02] <bugzbunny> So you can BOOT into Windows? If that's the case, the problem is more severe than that
[23:02] <bugzbunny> Is this a second drive?
[23:02] <SaliorMoonLT> Hi. I have a mild issue; trying to update the BIOS (Acer Swift 1 laptop; the BIOS updates are *.exe format (only 1 file)). I have spent the last ~13hrs trying everything under the sun. GRUB/GRUB2 + syslinux (memdisk) & grub2dos & unetbootin & MultiSystem & dd & Create Disk Startup & Burn Image. No avail. Any ideas?
[23:02] <Cyber_Akuma> It's an external drive
[23:03] <bugzbunny> Fix it with ntfsfix, then run another scan with Windows to double check, and check smart
[23:03] <SaliorMoonLT> I've been trying to boot up to FreeDOS from a USB stick.
[23:04] <SaliorMoonLT> There's another laptop locally here, which has  Windows 7: Pro on it. I've debated on borrowing it to use Rufus and trying that route (to burn the image of FreeDOS to the USB stick).
[23:04] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: often those exe files ar ejust zip files with a PE header, you can just unpack them, grab the actual firmware update file, put this on a usb stick formatted with a fat32 file system, reboot, enter bios, and access the bios update form there.
[23:05] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: I saw that in a forum post from various year dates. That is not the case, as far as I'm aware. I tried to run it with WINE even. No avail.
[23:05] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: can you point me to the .exe?
[23:05] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: is the .exe a Windows executable, or a real-mode DIS exectuable?
[23:06] <Cyber_Akuma> bugzbunny: Do I need to get ntfsfix from the reposotories, or is that standard?
[23:06] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Give me one moment and I'll grab the URL. This BIOS isn't exactly friendly with selecting bootable devices (secureboot and the like are disabled; UEFI only)
[23:06] <tomreyn> * DOS
[23:06] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: ntfs-3g should already be installed, if not, just type ntfsfix /dev/sdX
[23:06] <bugzbunny> if not, then apt install ntfs-3g
[23:09] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: also if you know the exact model # of the laptop this might help.
[23:09] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn, TJ-: https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/7211?b=1
[23:09] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: okay this answers both
[23:09] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Sorry. I was trying to remember the BIOS name! I ended up just looking it up again (cleared the browser history earlier).
[23:09] <Cyber_Akuma> hmm
[23:09] <Cyber_Akuma> Hwo do I find out which drive it's mounted as again?
[23:10] <SaliorMoonLT> You are suggesting that I simply copy the *.exe files to the USB and cross my fingers and hope I can boot to the USB and have them auto-flash (not supported AFAIK) the BIOS?
[23:10] <tomreyn> TJ-: BIOS_109.exe: MS-DOS executable, COFF for MS-DOS, DJGPP go32 DOS extender
[23:10] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: It can't be mounted to repair it
[23:10] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: So umounted, then fdisk -l (might be better tools) to find out which disk
[23:11] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: To see what's mounted, just type mount without arguments
[23:11] <bugzbunny> "mount"
[23:11] <Cyber_Akuma> It mounts in Ubuntu
[23:11] <Cyber_Akuma> Just not windows
[23:11] <Cyber_Akuma> It's a usb drive
[23:12] <SaliorMoonLT> Cyber_Akuma: Windows is missing the USB drivers?
[23:12] <bugzbunny> NO
[23:12] <bugzbunny> USB DRIVE is general protocol that most OS support.. Should just work
[23:12] <CarlFK> vim q: how do I remove  the # from a bunch of # comments?
[23:12] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: this is your firmware blob: isflash.bin, sha256sum f23baf4112f15b5babe206d65279178627fc94d3556de9be11e36391e2fc8638, 5.5 MB (5678732 bytes), Dec 21 2017 08:10
[23:13] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: First, there is Disk Management, to see if Windows see it, or diskpart if you technical incline to know what you are doing
[23:13] <Cyber_Akuma> SaliorMoonLT: No, it';s just this drive
[23:13] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: My entire plan was to (try) get FreeDOS to boot up from a USB thumb drive and install the BIOS update. You are saying I am able to just copy the *.exe's to the USB medium and it'll auto-boot to it (somehow)?
[23:14] <CarlFK> nm - I see where I can include other .conf files
[23:14] <Cyber_Akuma> Windows sees I am plugging in a drive and gives it a letter, but it can't access it, and the accesslight on the drfive stays on while it's plugged into windows
[23:14] <Cyber_Akuma> local disk manager sees the drive, it's fileysstem, and it's size, but it can't read it
[23:14] <Cyber_Akuma> Ubuntu is reading it just fine
[23:14] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Then, you can had possible do a scan on it, Right click -> Propertise -> Scan Disk
[23:15] <Cyber_Akuma> you mean in windows?
[23:15] <Cyber_Akuma> I tried a chkdsk, it either crashesor just quits
[23:15] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Yes, but ntfs-3g and Windows are different, you can't expect the same result from both
[23:15] <bugzbunny> You asked, ntfsfix, if you don't know how to find the disk, then pastebin fdisk -l and mount
[23:17] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Any suggestions? I am absolutely clueless and stumped at this point (aside from possibly borrowing someone else's box real fast to create a bootable USB with FreeDOS + the updates).
[23:17] <bugzbunny> If it crashes, then I would do a sfc /scannow to make sure nothing in Windows is corrupted and probably a 'dism'
[23:17] <backnforth> Hi, what's a Ubuntu ppa to install samsung drivers?
[23:18] <bugzbunny> But I think that's out of scope of this room
[23:18] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: no. i was saying that some systems' BIOS can just access the plain firmware blob from a usb stick you provide it on, and update this way. unfortunately it doesn't seem like your bios allows for this type of upgrade. so i guess you need to resort to the "boot from dos / windows" approach.
[23:18] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn Does the firmware setup have the option to load a new firmware itself, without requiring Windows?
[23:18] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Oh. I'd stated it earlier: This (horrible) UEFI does NOT support that.
[23:18] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: No.
[23:18] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: sorry, must have missed you saying so.
[23:19] <SaliorMoonLT> UEFI is also locked (cannot switch to legacy mode). I vaguely remember skimming about some hidden menu and flashing the UEFI to enable/disable BIOS "legacy" mode.
[23:19] <SaliorMoonLT> (UEFI makes me sick.)
[23:19] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn and the included tools are all Windows not pure DOS
[23:19] <amcsi> hi, in a virtual machine im trying to load gnome-session on a 17.10 ubuntu server, but it's not doing anything
[23:19] <bugzbunny> It's not UEFI
[23:19] <bugzbunny> It's your BIOS
[23:20] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: This laptop lacks a CD-ROM drive. I have a USB at my disposal. That and the internet!
[23:20] <bugzbunny> Blam them
[23:20] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: UEFI is fine, it's the manufacturers locking things down that's the problem; happened with BIOS as well
[23:20] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: The BIOS is what UEFI is here to replace.
[23:20] <tomreyn> TJ-: indeed, all windows
[23:20] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: BIOS was much easier to bypass. :)
[23:20] <TJ-> These InSyde H2O firmwares are the worst
[23:20]  * SaliorMoonLT sigh
[23:20] <aasif> im trying to run adobe reader with read out aloud enabled on ubuntu 16.04. but it's not working. i tried getting the tts engine festival but still its not working.
[23:21] <SaliorMoonLT> I just need to find a solution. It's driving me up a wall.
[23:21] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn there might be some clues to a manual update method in platform.ini
[23:21] <SaliorMoonLT> This box is only running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[23:21] <bugzbunny> SaliorMoonLT: NO, BIOS manfactures implenment UEFI differently
[23:22] <bugzbunny> Blame the manfacturers
[23:22] <bugzbunny> My bios can update from USB just fine
[23:22] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn if we can figure out the EFI shell method of upgrading, which the tooling does support
[23:22] <aasif> im trying to run adobe reader with read out aloud enabled on ubuntu 16.04. but it's not working. i tried getting the tts engine festival but still its not working.
[23:23] <Cyber_Akuma> bugzbunny: ok, I ran ntfsfix, was it supposed to only take a second?
[23:23] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn the firmware is based on the Tainocore EDK so it might be possible
[23:23] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: That's going over my head.
[23:23] <aasif> im trying to run adobe reader with read out aloud enabled on ubuntu 16.04. but it's not working. i tried getting the tts engine festival but still its not working.
[23:23] <bugzbunny> Takes how long it's suppose to take, if it takes forever, then the problem is more severe
[23:23] <tomreyn> TJ-: going over my head, too
[23:24] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: I've ran into plenty of BIOS' that could be updated from within the BIOS itself. That's not really saying much about this issue here.
[23:24] <bugzbunny> SaliorMoonLT: Same here, UEFI is irrelevant to the issue
[23:25] <UbuntuServerNewU> I'm trying a new install of ubuntu server... when I select the check disk option, the screen flashes between black and white.... any idea what I should do?
[23:25] <bugzbunny> But uh, TJ seems competent to give you some ideas how to di via EFI Shell
[23:25] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn 'strings isflash.bin' shows it uses Pegatron SecureFlash - Pegatron is a motherboard manufacturer
[23:26] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Huh
[23:26] <Cyber_Akuma> Didn't seem to do anything
[23:26] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: I don't know who manufactuers this one. That doesn't sound familiar though.
[23:29] <guiverc> UbuntuServerNewU, did you verify the download was flawless? (ie. verify checksum)
[23:29] <Cyber_Akuma> Any ideas what else I can try since ntfsfix didn't work?
[23:29] <tomreyn> TJ-: i'm not sure whot this information helps flashing the bios
[23:30] <tomreyn> TJ-: (still a good find)
[23:30] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Any dmesg errors? That disk might be going dead
[23:30] <bugzbunny> Is it SSD or Spin disk?
[23:31] <Cyber_Akuma> It's a spin disk
[23:31] <tomreyn> TJ-: here's a linux (but rpm) variant of the insyde "H2OFFT" flashing utility (mentioned oi top of platform.ini): https://github.com/chinese-opendesktop/repo-bin/tree/master/src-kmod
[23:32] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: I would start trying to recover data from it, there is tools that can handle errors, I don't know of hand.. I had mess with ddrescue when I acidently deleted files on a Spin Disk.. But I am ameture
[23:35] <Cyber_Akuma> the data on it isn't important, I am just trying to see if the filesystem was corrupted and fix it if it was
[23:35] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn: good find, I'll check it. I've just been looking at instructions for creating a USB device with the EFI firmware on, this look like it's correct but is based on configuring it from Windows with some Windows tools. Stripping those away looks like it needs 2 things 1) the isflash.bin renamed to FLASME.ROM and 2) an IDS.id file with entries from the platform.ini
[23:35] <TJ-> https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Welcome-FAQs-Knowledge-Base/How-to-flash-InsydeH2O-EFI-under-DOS-enviroment/ta-p/278406
[23:36] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Check smartctl /dev/sdX and probably do a smartclt -t /dev/sdX before you keep using it
[23:37] <bugzbunny> Did dmesg throw errors?
[23:37] <bugzbunny> Typically it comes up as READ errors
[23:37] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Unfortunately: I am bound _ONLY_ to Linux (Ubuntu 16.04 LTS) currently.
[23:37] <SaliorMoonLT> I /might/ be able to borrow Windows 7: Pro briefly.
[23:37] <Cyber_Akuma> What's dmesg?
[23:37] <Cyber_Akuma> It just said the ntfsfix scan finished
[23:38] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: you don't need Windows is my point, those instructions just show the Windows way of creating the USB... we should be able to do the same from Linux
[23:38] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: I'm trying to verify that now
[23:38] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Oh. My apologies. :)
[23:38] <sere> Question : how can i only report the first or second line found with this command : sensors | grep 'temp1' | cut -c 16-19
[23:40] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: I'm creating a USB image here now; I can put it on my web server for you. Do you have a small USb flash 'key' to put it on?
[23:40] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: 8GB flash drive (USB).
[23:40] <Cyber_Akuma> bugzbunny: If that's just a SMART test, I ran SMART-test tools on windows, and it passed
[23:41] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: How're you going about creating this bootable image...? Seems simpler if I just replicate it on my end.
[23:43] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: I need to test it here first, so it's easier to just create the bootable image
[23:43] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Okay.
[23:43] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: When was the test conducted?
[23:43] <Cyber_Akuma> A few minutes ago
[23:44] <bugzbunny> Usually, test are not conducted often, why is not better than sorry then to tell to load gpart and creat a partition
[23:44] <segersjerry> sere, It's been a long time, so I can't tell you exactly how, but I seem to remember awk being able to do that. so you would add "| awk [simple awk program]" to your command.
[23:44] <bugzbunny> Precautions are very helpful
[23:44] <Cyber_Akuma> what?
[23:45] <tomreyn> TJ-: good luck with your approach. the rpm i pointed to contains a kernel module source code (to build phy_alloc.ko), which must be built and loaded to access the eeprom storage. it also contains a binary and a wrapper script. the wrapper script just takes two arguments, a command (such as -cr to write to cmos) and a firmware blob fielname. however, it seems to expect to also find platform.ini in the same directory.
[23:46] <tomreyn> anyways, your approach will be much better if it works and the firmware will be loaded automatically if found on the usb stick during bios setup.
[23:46] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: That's a big part of the issue. The USB must be tagged AND recognized as being 'bootable.'
[23:47] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: "tagged"?
[23:47] <SaliorMoonLT> I was manually working with GRUB2 for a while until I found out that linux16/initrd16 do not play nicely with FreeDOS / DOS 6.
[23:47] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Tagged / Recognized
[23:48] <SaliorMoonLT> Using "linux /boot/memdisk" and "initrd" I was able to get the "boot" command to work; but it froze when trying to run the ISO for FreeDOS / DOS6.
[23:48] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: i see. i had similar issues booting ISO files from grub when i last tried.
[23:48] <SaliorMoonLT> That's when I learned that GRUB2 doesn't like DOS (even on a USB device; despite it being 'the only logical harddrive' at 0,1).
[23:48] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Type 'dmesg' or look at /var/log/kern.log
[23:49] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: I thought about looking into LiLo(?), but I vaguely remember that being a huge hassle with Fedora 8!
[23:49] <bugzbunny> These a Linux Kernel messages for the most part
[23:50] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: isn't lilo a dead project by now? i'm only aware of grub and syslinux being used during the past couple years.
[23:51] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: I am sure it is! It's been a while since I've played with Linux (I'm sure it shows, based on the old references and poor choices of ideas for solutions to this problem).
[23:51] <SaliorMoonLT> GRUB2 supercedes GRUB, no?
[23:51] <TJ-> tomreyn: yeah, but I'm concerned that kernel module code  might not do sufficient checks before writing the firmware, leaving the system unbootable
[23:52] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: yes grub2 supersedes grub
[23:52] <TJ-> tomreyn: SaliorMoonLT I'm trying to ensure we try a method where the tools verify the firmware and write process
[23:52] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes there is this risk.
[23:52] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: This $400 toy isn't supposed to become a paperweight. FreeDOS sounds like a much safer solution (if not simply taking the old Windows XP: Home disc and turning it into an installed OS on the USB). :p
[23:54] <bugzbunny> What year SaliorMoonLT ?
[23:54] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: This laptop? ~6mo old.
[23:54] <bugzbunny> Wha? Really
[23:54] <bugzbunny> You said the brand is Acer?
[23:55] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: Yes.
[23:55] <SaliorMoonLT> Acer Swift 1
[23:55] <SaliorMoonLT> PS: The BIOS-scan finger printer doesn't work. >:)
[23:55] <SaliorMoonLT> Sorry. Trackpad made me part the channel.
[23:55] <bugzbunny> Ahh, it's a Laptop right? Usually those like installing stuff that wasn't shipped
[23:55] <bugzbunny> Probably why it's so HARD
[23:56] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: Huh?
[23:56] <bugzbunny> I have HP laptop, 2 of them, that's like that
[23:56] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: This shipped with Windows 10 (disgusting OS). I put Linux Fedora on it initially. Way too heavy for a 1GHz CPU. I put Ubuntu on it next.
[23:56] <bugzbunny> Meaning, they ship tools that only allow to update the BIOS via Windows
[23:57] <bugzbunny> I love Windows 10, but not to be offtopic for too long
[23:57] <Bashing-om> SaliorMoonLT: TJ- :: Acer: Some modeles -> see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2330267 <-  set "trust" on the Ubuntu/grub .efi files.
[23:57] <SaliorMoonLT> ~20s boot time total now. It's fairly smooth. No issues with anything. Hovering at 800MB of RAM usage and 5% CPU idle.
[23:57] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: Yes. The UEFI updates are for Windows-only (*.exe).
[23:57] <SaliorMoonLT> Thanks, Bashing-om. Reading.
[23:58] <SaliorMoonLT> Bashing-om: That seems unrelated, but thank you
[23:59] <Bashing-om> SaliorMoonLT: Was a thought .. vendor lockin on Acer products .
[23:59] <SaliorMoonLT> Bashing-om: That person seems to have issues with dual-booting. I'm not wanting to dual boot this limited 64GB SSD drive. ;)
[23:59] <SaliorMoonLT> Finally shrunk it down to < 5GB.