| bluesabre | ali1234: yeah, if you have indicator-application, the indicator plugin is going to randomly steal or duplicate some app indicators | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | cpufreq isn't showing up anywhere now | 00:02 |
| bluesabre | shows up in status notifier for me | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | it did in my old session but not in my new one | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | let me try restarting... | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | doesn't work in the old session either now | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | oh wait there it is | 00:06 |
| ali1234 | it might be because the new user isn't in the right groups | 00:06 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: But that doesn't explain why dropbox shows up fine in indi but not sn-plug! | 00:08 |
| ali1234 | it probably isn't an appindicator | 00:11 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I think dropbox used one of the older libind* libraries | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | like indicator-messages | 00:12 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Considering no other libs were changed? I'd presume not. | 00:19 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I can't explain it either way :D | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | does dropbox show a text label next to the icon? | 00:26 |
| Unit193 | It is indeed an appindicator. And no, only hover. | 00:27 |
| ali1234 | i just copied over one of my custom appindicators and it doesnt show up at all | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | hmm i added another sn-plugin and it shows up | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | but with the wrong icon and no text label | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | huh... that wrong icon is probably a bug in my code | 00:49 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: You ever figure menulibre stuff out? | 00:59 |
| Unit193 | ali1234: I had the same thing, actually. https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debian-edu/pkg-team/veracrypt.git/commit/?id=c5c017eb4aea859694c765a3255222c6920b64f1 | 01:00 |
| ali1234 | weird, my bug is the opposite | 01:00 |
| ali1234 | the icon name is correct in the _new call but sn-plugin ignores that and always displays the attention_icon instead, which indicator-application ignores | 01:01 |
| ali1234 | i had a completely wrong icon set in that, but i've never seen it before | 01:01 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I did, just waiting for one of the debian-python sponsors to upload | 01:03 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: If you wanted to screw around with db, just add 'XFCE' in with Budgie in about http://paste.openstack.org/show/701591/ | 01:03 |
| Unit193 | Ah nice. | 01:03 |
| ali1234 | Unit193: this may be the dropbox problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/+bug/1756627 | 01:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1756627 in xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin (Ubuntu) "status notifier can't see appindicators which are started after it" [Undecided,New] | 01:32 |
| Unit193 | Huh, I start things after all the time. I guess I could try that. | 01:35 |
| ali1234 | for me it does not work | 01:35 |
| ali1234 | like, at all | 01:36 |
| ali1234 | i'll retest this on a fresh install tomorrow | 01:37 |
| ali1234 | i've tested with the example code, indicator-cpufreq, and classicmenu-indicator | 01:38 |
| ali1234 | none of them appear until theplugin is restarted | 01:38 |
| ali1234 | note that two of those start on startup - in that case they will show up | 01:38 |
| ali1234 | but immediately after installing them, they won't | 01:38 |
| ali1234 | not even if you run them manually | 01:38 |
| Unit193 | Huh, those aren't xfce4-indicator-plugin ones? Weird. | 01:40 |
| ali1234 | no, they are all appindicators | 01:41 |
| ali1234 | but indicator-plugin might steal them if you have the other appindicator stuff installed | 01:42 |
| ali1234 | but not in this case, they don't show up there either | 01:42 |
| ali1234 | i have to wonder why we are replacing the perfectly working indicator-plugin with sn-plugin which appears to be completely broken along with not supporting the full feature set | 01:43 |
| Unit193 | DB is the only thing I've had issues with, otherwise it's less finicky for me than -application. Killing sn-plug (it autorespawns) didn't bring DB up. | 01:45 |
| ali1234 | the wrong light/dark variant thing is a bug in indicator-cpufreq | 02:14 |
| ali1234 | it sets a bogus icon theme path, which causes the fallback icons to be used instead of the correct ones | 02:14 |
| ali1234 | not convinced that behaviour is correct either tbh | 02:17 |
| donofrio | so can I use the devel repo's for normal ubuntu 18.04? | 02:58 |
| flocculant | ochosi ali1234 - frame is off by default | 06:12 |
| ochosi | flocculant: yeah, ali was using a non-default session/panel config | 08:19 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ok - didn't manage to read it well at stupid o'clock then :p | 08:20 |
| flocculant | anyway - added bugs to bp | 08:21 |
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| ali1234 | flocculant: i can't report the bugs against ubiquity because i dont have ubiquity installed | 08:52 |
| tracker8 | hello | 08:53 |
| tracker8 | all idots dead | 08:54 |
| tracker8 | bye | 08:54 |
| willem | morning all | 08:56 |
| willem | In my panel there are two network icons at times. I'd like to investigate. Any pointers where to start? | 08:57 |
| ali1234 | check which plugins own each icon | 08:57 |
| ali1234 | since there is currently three plugins that can put icons in the panel | 08:58 |
| ali1234 | and for some reason icons can end up in any of them depending on what you have installed | 08:58 |
| ali1234 | those three plugins are called "notification area", "indicator plugin" and "status notifier plugin" | 08:58 |
| willem | ali1234, thanks! I'll try and get going with this. I'm a newby, so it'll take some effort. | 08:59 |
| ali1234 | flocculant: ubiquity bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1756650 | 09:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1756650 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu installer slideshow has no welcome page." [Undecided,New] | 09:09 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1756651 | 09:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1756651 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu: "remove media" message is not dislayed after installation" [Undecided,New] | 09:09 |
| ali1234 | also put them on the iso tracker | 09:09 |
| flocculant | ali1234: re the remove media bug - is that hardware or vm? | 09:12 |
| flocculant | and the welcome page issue - not sure what you're expecting to see - I slight difference when choosing between Try or Install | 09:14 |
| ali1234 | flocculant: hardware | 09:21 |
| ali1234 | and with the welcome page i expect to see the name and version of the software i am installing at a bare minimum | 09:24 |
| ali1234 | and a message saying "select language" | 09:25 |
| willem | ali1234, flocculant I thought I'd try and reproduce the "no welcome" issue with the daily in a VM. | 09:26 |
| flocculant | ali1234: just checking here - but you mean the ubiquity slideshow and not our one once installation's started? | 09:26 |
| willem | In this case I did not get the graphical install screen, but the "old" version with a simple "dos" screen | 09:26 |
| ali1234 | flocculant: i mean this page: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/361087303/IMG_20180318_084240.jpg | 09:26 |
| ali1234 | it's literally the first thing you see when you boot directly to the installer | 09:27 |
| flocculant | ali1234: ack | 09:27 |
| ali1234 | or the first thing you see if you click the "install" icon on the live desktop | 09:27 |
| ali1234 | that big empty space with nothing in it | 09:27 |
| ali1234 | it should say something | 09:27 |
| flocculant | ali1234: just let me boot live | 09:28 |
| ali1234 | like "you are about to install xubuntu 18.04. select the language for installer and click continue. or click here for the release notes" | 09:28 |
| flocculant | it definitely says release note - assuming network capability - just booting vm with no network | 09:29 |
| ali1234 | what does? | 09:29 |
| ali1234 | you mean live desktop mode? | 09:29 |
| willem | ali1234, I restarted the VM and now I'm in the graphical installer. It's telling me that I'm about to try or install Xubuntu. | 09:30 |
| flocculant | from the try/install dialogue - try gets desktop, install from there gets a language selector with quit/back/continue - no release note link > no network on vm | 09:31 |
| flocculant | with network same as that plus release note | 09:31 |
| ali1234 | right | 09:32 |
| ali1234 | that's not enough | 09:32 |
| ali1234 | it's not nearly enough | 09:32 |
| flocculant | but nothing about what you're installing - and it's the same for a long time | 09:32 |
| ali1234 | i haven't installed ubuntu since 16.04 | 09:32 |
| flocculant | 16.04.4 doesn't show it | 09:32 |
| flocculant | not got 16.04.0 atm - but will grab it shortly and see what that does | 09:33 |
| ali1234 | actually i might not have installed it since 14.04. i think i upgraded | 09:33 |
| flocculant | the try/install dialogue tells you you're installing Xubuntu | 09:33 |
| ali1234 | i dont see that | 09:33 |
| ali1234 | i am using a UEFI laptop | 09:33 |
| ali1234 | it displays a grub menu with tiny writing | 09:34 |
| flocculant | aah | 09:34 |
| ali1234 | so the first thing you actually see is that empty dialog | 09:34 |
| flocculant | you don't see this even on uefi? https://i.imgur.com/eiAPgzm.png | 09:34 |
| ali1234 | right | 09:34 |
| ali1234 | hang on i'll do a screenshot of what you see instead | 09:34 |
| flocculant | ali1234: I know what the uefi grub screen looks like - I hit that accidentally now and again | 09:35 |
| flocculant | brb - booting usb | 09:36 |
| ali1234 | okay | 09:36 |
| ali1234 | well, the try/install screen is exactly what i mean | 09:36 |
| ali1234 | it has that short piece of text at the bottom that explains what the installer is | 09:36 |
| flocculant | uefi didn't want to boot | 09:38 |
| flocculant | did you get screenshot? | 09:38 |
| ali1234 | https://photos.app.goo.gl/M5oEm4n5fcMpy5vX2 | 09:40 |
| ali1234 | if you select the second option on that menu, the other screenshot is the very first interactive dialog you will see | 09:40 |
| ali1234 | the first one drops you directly at the live desktop | 09:41 |
| flocculant | ok - so from install from grub you see the lp image you gave - did the laptop have network at that point? | 09:41 |
| ali1234 | no | 09:42 |
| ali1234 | wireless config is later in the installer | 09:42 |
| flocculant | ok - so that's why the release note bit is missing from that screen | 09:42 |
| ali1234 | okay | 09:42 |
| ali1234 | it should still say what version of ubuntu it is going to install | 09:43 |
| flocculant | but as for the dearth of information - it's been as sparse as that for a fair while | 09:43 |
| flocculant | just grabbing the 16.04.0 to see what that's like | 09:43 |
| ali1234 | the same afaict | 09:43 |
| flocculant | that will be the same for any flavour | 09:43 |
| flocculant | you do get at least the flavour name on non-uefi on the try/install dialogue | 09:44 |
| ali1234 | yes | 09:44 |
| flocculant | I don't disagree with you here btw ;) | 09:44 |
| ali1234 | here's a really old installer https://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_new_1/ubuntu-install-begin-install.jpg | 09:44 |
| flocculant | ack - yea not looked like that for a long time | 09:45 |
| ali1234 | here's 16.04 http://pinet.org.uk/assets/images/image3.jpeg | 09:45 |
| flocculant | 16.04 for non-uefi gets the try/install dialogue - install goes straight to the preparing page, installl from desktop and I see the welcome page - dearth type one | 09:47 |
| flocculant | trying to do a uefi vm and I get an issue | 09:49 |
| flocculant | for this we're in the lap of Canonical - pretty sure that this would be the same for anyone | 09:51 |
| ali1234 | sure | 09:51 |
| flocculant | not sure whether it'll get looked at this side of release either | 09:52 |
| flocculant | so re the remove media issue - I did a hardware test at beta and I saw it, later today I'll have another go and see what happens | 09:53 |
| flocculant | I know on vm's it can be an issue | 09:54 |
| flocculant | back a bit later | 09:54 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: am I going nuttier? I swear I read something by you about x-pulse plugin allowing greater than 100% volume? | 11:42 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: only when using the slider in the menu | 11:42 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ok - was thrown there :) mouse scolls down from +100% but won't go past it | 12:05 |
| ochosi | bluesabre, flocculant actually i've been pondering on how to reflect that in notifyd... | 14:49 |
| ochosi | currently it just goes to 100 | 14:49 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: there's a patch available for pa-plug to allow the 100+% with keyboard keys | 14:50 |
| bluesabre | but I think I want to tweak it further so holding it down goes only to 100%, then you have to let go and do it again to go beyond | 14:50 |
| flocculant | ochosi: right - that'd be nice - not sure how it would work though | 16:01 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: and while that patch would be good - the tweak would be useful, having had a system in the past where it just went on and on | 16:02 |
| willem | Still testing 18.04: Is this something I should report somewhere? http://i.imgur.com/p44nbl3.png | 16:36 |
| willem | Update-manager and "software" can't seem to agree whether or not there are any updates. | 16:37 |
| flocculant | probably related to the fact that software never sees everything in the repository - tbh given things I've reported against gnome software have been ignored I'd not waste my time | 16:46 |
| flocculant | I wish we didn't even seed the thing | 16:47 |
| knome | bluesabre, ochosi: do you plan updating panel for 16.04? i suppose not because 18.04 is so close and there isn't an awful long time for 16.04 EOL, but... you might want to tell the person on -devel mailing list | 17:08 |
| flocculant | 13 months is more than a third of the time it's supported for ;) | 17:24 |
| knome | sure | 17:24 |
| knome | i don't think a redraw bug is critical though | 17:24 |
| knome | it can be annoying but... | 17:24 |
| flocculant | no - wasn't saying that - just that I don't totally agree with 'awful mong time' :p | 17:25 |
| flocculant | sigh | 17:25 |
| knome | haha | 17:25 |
| knome | a year passes like nothing nowadays :/ | 17:25 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 17:25 |
| flocculant | yea - I find that for sure | 17:25 |
| flocculant | right - bbl | 17:26 |
| knome | not important enough to get all of you pinged, but team: i just updated the voting GUI with an additional link to the original sized image so you can easily preview and download that for evaluation purposes | 17:48 |
| knome | (other than that, continue voting) | 17:49 |
| willem | flocculant, thanks. I'll leave it as it is then. | 18:08 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, i was more wondering how to catch exactly those cases in notifyd and also how to visualize it | 18:27 |
| ochosi | without breaking all themes | 18:27 |
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| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-settings 4.12.3 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-settings-4-12-3-released-tp50837.html (by Sean Davis-6) | 21:15 | |
| knome | oh yes, that sean davis-6 guy | 21:16 |
| bluesabre | strange guy | 21:28 |
| bluesabre | works too much | 21:28 |
| knome | all bugs aren't fixed yet | 21:37 |
| knome | so clearly too little :P | 21:37 |
| bluesabre | :D | 21:38 |
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