[00:02] <bluesabre> ali1234: yeah, if you have indicator-application, the indicator plugin is going to randomly steal or duplicate some app indicators
[00:02] <ali1234> cpufreq isn't showing up anywhere now
[00:03] <bluesabre> shows up in status notifier for me
[00:03] <ali1234> it did in my old session but not in my new one
[00:03] <ali1234> let me try restarting...
[00:06] <ali1234> doesn't work in the old session either now
[00:06] <ali1234> oh wait there it is
[00:06] <ali1234> it might be because the new user isn't in the right groups
[00:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: But that doesn't explain why dropbox shows up fine in indi but not sn-plug!
[00:11] <ali1234> it probably isn't an appindicator
[00:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: I think dropbox used one of the older libind* libraries
[00:12] <ali1234> like indicator-messages
[00:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: Considering no other libs were changed?  I'd presume not.
[00:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: I can't explain it either way :D
[00:26] <ali1234> does dropbox show a text label next to the icon?
[00:27] <Unit193> It is indeed an appindicator.  And no, only hover.
[00:28] <ali1234> i just copied over one of my custom appindicators and it doesnt show up at all
[00:30] <ali1234> hmm i added another sn-plugin and it shows up
[00:30] <ali1234> but with the wrong icon and no text label
[00:49] <ali1234> huh... that wrong icon is probably a bug in my code
[00:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: You ever figure menulibre stuff out?
[01:00] <Unit193> ali1234: I had the same thing, actually.  https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debian-edu/pkg-team/veracrypt.git/commit/?id=c5c017eb4aea859694c765a3255222c6920b64f1
[01:00] <ali1234> weird, my bug is the opposite
[01:01] <ali1234> the icon name is correct in the _new call but sn-plugin ignores that and always displays the attention_icon instead, which indicator-application ignores
[01:01] <ali1234> i had a completely wrong icon set in that, but i've never seen it before
[01:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: I did, just waiting for one of the debian-python sponsors to upload
[01:03] <Unit193> bluesabre: If you wanted to screw around with db, just add 'XFCE' in with Budgie in about http://paste.openstack.org/show/701591/
[01:03] <Unit193> Ah nice.
[01:32] <ali1234> Unit193: this may be the dropbox problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/+bug/1756627
[01:35] <Unit193> Huh, I start things after all the time.  I guess I could try that.
[01:35] <ali1234> for me it does not work
[01:36] <ali1234> like, at all
[01:37] <ali1234> i'll retest this on a fresh install tomorrow
[01:38] <ali1234> i've tested with the example code, indicator-cpufreq, and classicmenu-indicator
[01:38] <ali1234> none of them appear until theplugin is restarted
[01:38] <ali1234> note that two of those start on startup - in that case they will show up
[01:38] <ali1234> but immediately after installing them, they won't
[01:38] <ali1234> not even if you run them manually
[01:40] <Unit193> Huh, those aren't xfce4-indicator-plugin ones?  Weird.
[01:41] <ali1234> no, they are all appindicators
[01:42] <ali1234> but indicator-plugin might steal them if you have the other appindicator stuff installed
[01:42] <ali1234> but not in this case, they don't show up there either
[01:43] <ali1234> i have to wonder why we are replacing the perfectly working indicator-plugin with sn-plugin which appears to be completely broken along with not supporting the full feature set
[01:45] <Unit193> DB is the only thing I've had issues with, otherwise it's less finicky for me than -application.  Killing sn-plug (it autorespawns) didn't bring DB up.
[02:14] <ali1234> the wrong light/dark variant thing is a bug in indicator-cpufreq
[02:14] <ali1234> it sets a bogus icon theme path, which causes the fallback icons to be used instead of the correct ones
[02:17] <ali1234> not convinced that behaviour is correct either tbh
[02:58] <donofrio> so can I use the devel repo's for normal ubuntu 18.04?
[06:12] <flocculant> ochosi ali1234 - frame is off by default
[08:19] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah, ali was using a non-default session/panel config
[08:20] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - didn't manage to read it well at stupid o'clock then :p
[08:21] <flocculant> anyway - added bugs to bp
[08:52] <ali1234> flocculant: i can't report the bugs against ubiquity because i dont have ubiquity installed
[08:53] <tracker8> hello
[08:54] <tracker8> all idots dead
[08:54] <tracker8> bye 
[08:56] <willem> morning all
[08:57] <willem> In my panel there are two network icons at times. I'd like to investigate. Any pointers where to start?
[08:57] <ali1234> check which plugins own each icon
[08:58] <ali1234> since there is currently three plugins that can put icons in the panel
[08:58] <ali1234> and for some reason icons can end up in any of them depending on what you have installed
[08:58] <ali1234> those three plugins are called "notification area", "indicator plugin" and "status notifier plugin"
[08:59] <willem> ali1234, thanks! I'll try and get going with this. I'm a newby, so it'll take some effort. 
[09:09] <ali1234> flocculant: ubiquity bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1756650
[09:09] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1756651
[09:09] <ali1234> also put them on the iso tracker
[09:12] <flocculant> ali1234: re the remove media bug - is that hardware or vm?
[09:14] <flocculant> and the welcome page issue - not sure what you're expecting to see - I slight difference when choosing between Try or Install 
[09:21] <ali1234> flocculant: hardware
[09:24] <ali1234> and with the welcome page i expect to see the name and version of the software i am installing at a bare minimum
[09:25] <ali1234> and a message saying "select language"
[09:26] <willem> ali1234, flocculant I thought I'd try and reproduce the "no welcome" issue with the daily in a VM. 
[09:26] <flocculant> ali1234: just checking here - but you mean the ubiquity slideshow and not our one once installation's started?
[09:26] <willem> In this case I did not get the graphical install screen, but the "old" version with a simple "dos" screen
[09:26] <ali1234> flocculant: i mean this page: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/361087303/IMG_20180318_084240.jpg
[09:27] <ali1234> it's literally the first thing you see when you boot directly to the installer
[09:27] <flocculant> ali1234: ack
[09:27] <ali1234> or the first thing you see if you click the "install" icon on the live desktop
[09:27] <ali1234> that big empty space with nothing in it
[09:27] <ali1234> it should say something
[09:28] <flocculant> ali1234: just let me boot live
[09:28] <ali1234> like "you are about to install xubuntu 18.04. select the language for installer and click continue. or click here for the release notes"
[09:29] <flocculant> it definitely says release note - assuming network capability - just booting vm with no network
[09:29] <ali1234> what does?
[09:29] <ali1234> you mean live desktop mode?
[09:30] <willem> ali1234, I restarted the VM and now I'm in the graphical installer. It's telling me that I'm about to try or install Xubuntu.
[09:31] <flocculant> from the try/install dialogue - try gets desktop, install from there gets a language selector with quit/back/continue - no release note link > no network on vm
[09:31] <flocculant> with network same as that plus release note
[09:32] <ali1234> right
[09:32] <ali1234> that's not enough
[09:32] <ali1234> it's not nearly enough
[09:32] <flocculant> but nothing about what you're installing - and it's the same for a long time
[09:32] <ali1234> i haven't installed ubuntu since 16.04
[09:32] <flocculant> 16.04.4 doesn't show it
[09:33] <flocculant> not got 16.04.0 atm - but will grab it shortly and see what that does
[09:33] <ali1234> actually i might not have installed it since 14.04. i think i upgraded
[09:33] <flocculant> the try/install dialogue tells you you're installing Xubuntu
[09:33] <ali1234> i dont see that
[09:33] <ali1234> i am using a UEFI laptop
[09:34] <ali1234> it displays a grub menu with tiny writing
[09:34] <flocculant> aah
[09:34] <ali1234> so the first thing you actually see is that empty dialog
[09:34] <flocculant> you don't see this even on uefi? https://i.imgur.com/eiAPgzm.png
[09:34] <ali1234> right
[09:34] <ali1234> hang on i'll do a screenshot of what you see instead
[09:35] <flocculant> ali1234: I know what the uefi grub screen looks like - I hit that accidentally now and again
[09:36] <flocculant> brb - booting usb
[09:36] <ali1234> okay
[09:36] <ali1234> well, the try/install screen is exactly what i mean
[09:36] <ali1234> it has that short piece of text at the bottom that explains what the installer is
[09:38] <flocculant> uefi didn't want to boot 
[09:38] <flocculant> did you get screenshot?
[09:40] <ali1234> https://photos.app.goo.gl/M5oEm4n5fcMpy5vX2
[09:40] <ali1234> if you select the second option on that menu, the other screenshot is the very first interactive dialog you will see
[09:41] <ali1234> the first one drops you directly at the live desktop
[09:41] <flocculant> ok - so from install from grub you see the lp image you gave - did the laptop have network at that point?
[09:42] <ali1234> no
[09:42] <ali1234> wireless config is later in the installer
[09:42] <flocculant> ok - so that's why the release note bit is missing from that screen
[09:42] <ali1234> okay
[09:43] <ali1234> it should still say what version of ubuntu it is going to install
[09:43] <flocculant> but as for the dearth of information - it's been as sparse as that for a fair while
[09:43] <flocculant> just grabbing the 16.04.0 to see what that's like
[09:43] <ali1234> the same afaict
[09:43] <flocculant> that will be the same for any flavour
[09:44] <flocculant> you do get at least the flavour name on non-uefi on the try/install dialogue
[09:44] <ali1234> yes
[09:44] <flocculant> I don't disagree with you here btw ;)
[09:44] <ali1234> here's a really old installer https://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_new_1/ubuntu-install-begin-install.jpg
[09:45] <flocculant> ack - yea not looked like that for a long time
[09:45] <ali1234> here's 16.04 http://pinet.org.uk/assets/images/image3.jpeg
[09:47] <flocculant> 16.04 for non-uefi gets the try/install dialogue - install goes straight to the preparing page, installl from desktop and I see the welcome page - dearth type one
[09:49] <flocculant> trying to do a uefi vm and I get an issue
[09:51] <flocculant> for this we're in the lap of Canonical - pretty sure that this would be the same for anyone
[09:51] <ali1234> sure
[09:52] <flocculant> not sure whether it'll get looked at this side of release either
[09:53] <flocculant> so re the remove media issue - I did a hardware test at beta and I saw it, later today I'll have another go and see what happens
[09:54] <flocculant> I know on vm's it can be an issue
[09:54] <flocculant> back a bit later 
[11:42] <flocculant> bluesabre: am I going nuttier? I swear I read something by you about x-pulse plugin allowing greater than 100% volume?
[11:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: only when using the slider in the menu
[12:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - was thrown there :) mouse scolls down from +100% but won't go past it 
[14:49] <ochosi> bluesabre, flocculant actually i've been pondering on how to reflect that in notifyd...
[14:49] <ochosi> currently it just goes to 100
[14:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: there's a patch available for pa-plug to allow the 100+% with keyboard keys
[14:50] <bluesabre> but I think I want to tweak it further so holding it down goes only to 100%, then you have to let go and do it again to go beyond
[16:01] <flocculant> ochosi: right - that'd be nice - not sure how it would work though 
[16:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: and while that patch would be good - the tweak would be useful, having had a system in the past where it just went on and on 
[16:36] <willem> Still testing 18.04: Is this something I should report somewhere? http://i.imgur.com/p44nbl3.png
[16:37] <willem> Update-manager and "software" can't seem to agree whether or not there are any updates.
[16:46] <flocculant> probably related to the fact that software never sees everything in the repository - tbh given things I've reported against gnome software have been ignored I'd not waste my time
[16:47] <flocculant> I wish we didn't even seed the thing
[17:08] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: do you plan updating panel for 16.04? i suppose not because 18.04 is so close and there isn't an awful long time for 16.04 EOL, but... you might want to tell the person on -devel mailing list
[17:24] <flocculant> 13 months is more than a third of the time it's supported for ;)
[17:24] <knome> sure
[17:24] <knome> i don't think a redraw bug is critical though
[17:24] <knome> it can be annoying but...
[17:25] <flocculant> no - wasn't saying that - just that I don't totally agree with 'awful mong time' :p
[17:25] <flocculant> sigh
[17:25] <knome> haha
[17:25] <knome> a year passes like nothing nowadays :/
[17:25] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[17:25] <flocculant> yea - I find that for sure
[17:26] <flocculant> right - bbl
[17:48] <knome> not important enough to get all of you pinged, but team: i just updated the voting GUI with an additional link to the original sized image so you can easily preview and download that for evaluation purposes
[17:49] <knome> (other than that, continue voting)
[18:08] <willem> flocculant, thanks. I'll leave it as it is then.
[18:27] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i was more wondering how to catch exactly those cases in notifyd and also how to visualize it
[18:27] <ochosi> without breaking all themes
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[21:28] <bluesabre> strange guy
[21:28] <bluesabre> works too much
[21:37] <knome> all bugs aren't fixed yet
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