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[08:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:48] <SuperEngineer> o/
[08:48] <brobostigon> o/
[08:55] <diddledan> moo
[09:02] <brobostigon> meep
[09:12] <diddledan> me-nanana
[09:12] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_tupPBtWQ
[09:32] <foobarry> did realise how small everything would be on a 14 inch laptop with 1080p resolution
[09:33] <foobarry> turns out my old laptop was perfect
[09:38] <SuperMatt> Just seen that 18.04 now has firefox 59, so I think it's time to do the upgrade :)
[09:40] <foobarry> to budgie ubuntu?
[09:49] <SuperMatt> no, regular ubuntu
[10:00]  * diddledan smuggles some budgies
[10:00] <SuperMatt> please, no
[10:01] <diddledan> aww, you're no fun :-(
[10:02] <diddledan> well that wasn't what I expected when I read the subject of the email: "Meet the Elite team"..
[10:03] <diddledan> was an email about sky showing a new series called "Seal Team" about specops
[10:03] <diddledan> I expected some kind of thing about Elite Dangerous
[10:03] <diddledan> the space trading/shooter thing
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> now that's a geek :-D
[10:06] <diddledan> apparently amazon are doing a sale
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think with the rise of twitch that main stream tv would see a market for a tv show about gaming. some of the ones in the 80s were good
[10:07] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: http://kck.st/2FlN5G4
[12:31] <SuperMatt> actually, I've just installed Ubuntu Budgie 18.04 in a vm, and it's pretty nice
[14:51] <diddledan> SuperMatt: you smuggled that past us well
[15:24] <SuperMatt> ¬.¬
[17:21] <brobostigon> beware of the leopard, http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/cat.html#cat-leopard :)
[17:23] <diddledan> are you getting bestial?
[17:24] <brobostigon> :)
[17:24] <diddledan> felinophilia
[17:24] <brobostigon> I am doing research for the game i am designing, for the players to face.
[17:24] <diddledan> aha
[17:25] <brobostigon> the monsters for them to face.
[17:26] <brobostigon> an maybe the odd arrow trap. lol no, your not writing an indiana jones film.
[17:26] <diddledan> someone I worked with runs a character sheet site: https://www.dyslexic-charactersheets.com/
[17:26] <brobostigon> i have seen that a few times, i am impressed.
[17:26] <brobostigon> amazing bit of work.
[17:27] <brobostigon> infact i got the sheet for my bard from it, :)
[17:53] <diddledan> the robot uprising has begun: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
[18:41] <diddledan> "and now for something completely different": https://petapixel.com/2018/02/12/picture-single-atom-wins-science-photo-contest/
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> and the atom is cursing as it blinked when it's passport pic was been taken... :-)
[20:07] <daftykins> xD
[21:15] <daftykins> lady today: "do you know what i need to get some files off these?" https://i.imgur.com/ILDYofc.jpg
[21:16] <daftykins> they're older than me!
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> sony discs of that era.... ::ponders:: they'd be readable if kept in a heated location and not fecked in frozen attic/garage...
[21:23] <daftykins> i do have a drive still... but actually, do i want to go down that rabbit hole...
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> only quater of a century old... :-)
[21:24] <daftykins> i kinda wish i were still 25 :P
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> when i started my boss was salvaging data off 20 year old 5.25" discs with 180k capacity iirc
[21:25] <daftykins> :D
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> but super advanced... you could take them out flip them over and write on the other side... :-)
[21:26] <daftykins> i was just then trying to work out if it really meant that
[21:26] <daftykins> er with these ones i mean
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> well the cpm computers that used them had 64k ram.  and that contained word processor, spreadsheet, database, basic and networked os when it booted...
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> one machine would have floppy or hard disk and would boot, then the next would boot and the next in turn till they had all started... twas a sight to see...
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> all pulling the os off the first system
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> diskless booting. super modern
[21:29] <daftykins> :>
[21:30] <daftykins> the acorns at my secondary school would be arranged in a bank of about 6 per room side, with the main one (they always curiously chose the oldest model) hooked up to an external SCSI HDD which shared data to the rest
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> ah... scsi... have you terminated your hard drive chain properly? :-)
[21:33] <daftykins> your name was mud if you chose the disk host machine to work from, snoozfest all lesson
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> someone is going to release a 100tb ssd drive... funny, not seeing a price... probably wouldn't fit in the rss article... :-P
[22:47] <diddledan> I archived a load of 5.25 inchers a year or so ago
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> i remember around 2000 been ordered to hunt down and dispose of all 5.25" floppy drives and dump them
[22:48] <diddledan> :-o
[22:49] <diddledan> nooooo
[22:49] <diddledan> they're still usable!
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> the very next day a customer came in with disks needing to be read...
[22:49] <diddledan> haaa haaa
[22:49] <daftykins> diddledan: no! let them go!
[22:50] <daftykins> fancy not keeping just the one... ;D
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> of course i had hidden 3 drives in mini towers behind blanking plates were no one would spot them...
[22:50] <diddledan> sneaky get
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> darn tootin'
[22:50] <daftykins> xD
[22:51] <daftykins> did you do a Blue Peter reveal?
[22:51] <diddledan> here's one I stashed earlier
[22:52] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i might've asked you this one already, but several moons have definitely passed since... my old man maintains that 'font' refers to the size of text and only 'typeface' its' style, sound right?
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> well windows showed floppy drives even when not installed so no one would notice their pc had extra drive :-)
[22:52] <diddledan> apparently all thoae BP builds were invented by a lil old lady in the middle of nowhere. she'd come up with the concepts herself, build various stages, and ship it all to the studio
[22:52] <diddledan> .. along with detailed instructions
[22:53] <daftykins> BP builds?
[22:53] <diddledan> bloo peter
[22:53] <daftykins> ooooh
[22:53] <daftykins> sheesh can you tell i'm knackered xD
[22:53] <diddledan> :-p
[22:54] <diddledan> not sleepy time for another 4-5 hours yet!
[22:54] <daftykins> i had to fight an iMac today, i am slain
[22:54] <diddledan> ee gads
[22:54] <zmoylan-pi> the usage of the word has been mangalised for so long that both are correct.  but originally font was a size, style and weight when used in printing... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font
[22:55] <daftykins> since when do 10.12 and 10.13 installers not even see a disk if it has no partition table? so rude
[22:55] <daftykins> Linux had to save the day as usual
[22:55] <diddledan> mangalised? is that "turned into a manga"?
[22:55] <daftykins> xD
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> put into a hand mangle and mangalised... used to squeeze water out of wet cloting in laundry process...
[22:56] <diddledan> yeah, macos installers with no partition table you need to select "disk utility", possibly out of the top menubar, to prepare the disk
[22:56] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: aww i was probing the vast zmoylan database, not wikipedia by proxy ;)
[22:56] <daftykins> diddledan: i did but DU didn't see a disk at all beyond the flash drive itself
[22:57] <diddledan> hmm, not seen that one
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> well when we were thought fonts in the late 80s we were thought the original variant but warned that silly computers and printers were wrong in how they used the word
[22:57] <daftykins> i had to boot a *buntu and create GPT with an unformatted partition, then it saw it - and then it failed claiming the firmware couldn't be verified :|
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> back when setting up a printer meant breaking out a bic pen, opening the manual and setting a few dip switches :-)
[22:58] <diddledan> I had a fun one at the weekend though. macos managed to rewrite my partition table just wonky enough that the EFI couldn't boot anything (loonicks nor macos) until I futzed with gpt to change the guid on the macos partition from the newly, wrongly, set FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
[22:58] <diddledan> this blubber: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/221114/how-to-fix-broken-gpt-guid-and-unmountable-no-type-volumes
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> that's bizarre...
[23:01] <diddledan> I actually used this one I think to get the correct APFS-specific guid: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/307780/macos-partition-startup-volume-type-ffffffff-ffff-ffff-ffff-ffffffffffff
[23:13] <daftykins> diddledan: standards really are slipping
[23:14] <diddledan> aye
[23:15] <daftykins> sheesh though, on plugging the backlight ribbon back into the power supply PCB before closing up the iMac with the new SSD in - the traces on the tip had folded over backwards, much like closing your fingers would appear - meaning that when macOS flash drives booted - the backlight turned off and you couldn't see the screen anymore
[23:15] <daftykins> (hopefully that didn't get chopped off - ended in ...anymore)
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> it feels like slipping back to the days of use the mode command to use assembly to iniate a drive before the os could see it pre ide... :-)
[23:16] <daftykins> :O
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> good old esdi drives... :-)
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> or rll
[23:16] <daftykins> diddledan: so can you PM me your phone # to pass onto these folks for the floppy recovery ;)
[23:17] <diddledan> lol
[23:17] <daftykins> "hi i have some floppy di..." *click*
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> give them a compass and a magnifying glass and let them get at it... :-)
[23:39] <daftykins> :D