[19:46] <waldo323> I'm looking for options for open source systems and network monitoring.  what have people used?  I've been using the commmunity version Zenoss and notice that after the 4.x branch the software becomes much more complex
[20:23] <rick_h_> waldo323: so I've been playing with telegraf and prometheus with grafana for visualization for system stuff
[20:23] <rick_h_> waldo323: not sure for network stuff. I assume there's some sort of prometheus plug/tool for send metrics
[20:36] <jrwren> IME: there are dozens of them, and they all suck.
[20:39] <greg-g> looks like we're using LibreNMS
[20:39] <greg-g> (plus prometheus and grafana)
[20:45] <rick_h_> build your own poison? :P
[20:51] <jrwren> "systems and network monitoring" can be so many different things at so many different levels these days.
[20:51] <jrwren> it means what it did 20yrs ago, but it also means a great many new things.
[20:52] <rick_h_> jrwren: come on, let's get him the old orielly snmp book :P
[20:52] <cmaloney> nagios
[20:53] <cmaloney> that is all you need
[20:53] <cmaloney> if your system can't do nagios it ain't worth monitoring
[20:53] <jrwren> oh how I wish that were true.
[20:54] <jrwren> sadly, there is still almost nothing which monitors flow AFAICT
[20:54] <cmaloney> heh
[21:00] <waldo323> we have a mix of snmp, oracle, windows wmi, ssh, and probably a few other methods being used by zenoss
[21:01] <cmaloney> is zenoss that expensive for the commercial version?
[21:01] <waldo323> the newer versions of zenoss seem like an entirely different beast - I see several people suggesting people with smaller infrastructures stay at zenoss  4.2.5
[21:02] <waldo323> yeah and you don't get much more for the cost
[21:02] <cmaloney> ah
[21:03] <waldo323> and from what I can tell is a few magnitudes more in resource consumption which is likely why I saw the recommendations for staying with the older version
[21:03] <cmaloney> ugh
[21:05] <waldo323> from what I can tell 4.2.5 will work on RHEL, CentOS <7...we'd like to migrate the remaining 6 servers to 7.4 so locking into an older version doesn't sound like a great idea
[21:11] <brousch> I think the newer zenoss moved to docker-all-the-things and it blew up resource usage
[21:12] <brousch> We use zabbix
[21:18] <waldo323> cool, thanks I'll take a look at LibreNMS, and Zabbix...and another look at nagios
[21:19] <waldo323> (and am likely still open to possibilities)
[21:58] <jrwren> What does systems and network monitoring mean to you?
[22:03] <waldo323> checking whether systems, sites, databases are up alerting me and other IT admins when something isn't
[22:04] <waldo323> also keeps track of trends in system resources, ram, cpu, disk usage
[22:31] <jrwren> nagios actually is still great that the first part of that.