[00:00] <SaliorMoonLT> I'm just wanting to update the BIOS finally. It's on v1.05(?). There's one issue with the trackpad and Linux (semi-fixed by setting it to "basic" in the UEFI).
[00:01] <bugzbunny> It's not just ACER
[00:01] <bugzbunny> It's mostly Laptops
[00:01] <tomreyn> TJ-, SaliorMoonLT: this is exciting, but i need to get some sleep. good luck, ttyl.
[00:01] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: My Lenovo had no issues for the duration of it's life. :)
[00:01] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Thanks and goodnight!
[00:01] <TJ-> tom :) sleep well
[00:02] <Bashing-om> SaliorMoonLT: TJ- will get to the bottom of it .. and I watch over yall's shoulder while he works :)
[00:03] <SaliorMoonLT> Bashing-om: I've literally sunk over 13hrs into this non-stop and have come up with only dead-end after dead-end. The only solution I can conceive of revolves around using Windows 7: Pro on another box and using Rufus (USB burner) and installing FreeDOS like that (with the BIOS update files).
[00:04] <bugzbunny> I was going to say except IBM
[00:04] <bugzbunny> But I ommit it
[00:05] <DeeJayTwo> Why is it that in some applications, I see my mounted network shares and can open files from the application without problem but in some other applications, I see everything but my network shares...
[00:05] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: IBM has generally left a sour taste in my mouth
[00:05] <hggdh> SaliorMoonLT: isn't there an option to burn an iso for freeDOS?
[00:05] <Bashing-om> SaliorMoonLT: Understand .. Been a long time since I made up a Freedos disk .. Has no real issues then on a desktop linux box.
[00:05] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: almost done
[00:05] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Thank you, very much.
[00:05] <SaliorMoonLT> hggdh: Which?
[00:06] <bugzbunny> If I make mistakes in Wording, I'd appreciate if you guys catch me on that
[00:06] <SaliorMoonLT> Bashing-om: How did you succeed in making one that actually booted up and/or was recognized (USB flash drive)?!
[00:06] <JohnnyMonday> Thank you, Jason.  Many didn't believe.
[00:06] <bugzbunny> I most working of memory instead Real World experience... But I am using Ubuntu for the last 82 days
[00:06] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: I'd spend more time being a grammar Nazi than I would trying to help / get helped! :p
[00:06] <bugzbunny> I have up and downs
[00:06] <bugzbunny> With this distro
[00:06] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: Are you on Arch, Gentoo, SuSe?
[00:07] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: I'm just going to test it booting in a UEFI virtual machine
[00:07] <Bashing-om> SaliorMoonLT: Yepper, iffen ya have the need I will hunt up the old tutorial I used .
[00:07] <JohnnyMonday> Nice, Leo!
[00:07] <bugzbunny> I hate Grammy Nazi, they focus on the wrong thing instead of the message
[00:07] <hggdh> SaliorMoonLT: when I had the same issue(in my case with a Dell laptop) I downloaded a FreeDOS ISO, and burnt a USB stick with it, then used it
[00:07] <SaliorMoonLT> Bashing-om: I'll be more than happy to read it. :D
[00:07] <Bashing-om> SaliorMoonLT: Gimme a bit to hunt it up :)
[00:07] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: Hahahaha. You were asking for help with your English. That's why I called myself a: "Grammar Nazi."
[00:08] <SaliorMoonLT> hggdh: "Burnt a USB stick" with what...?
[00:08] <SaliorMoonLT> Bashing-om: Thanks. :)
[00:09] <hggdh> SaliorMoonLT: when I needed it, there was an option, IIRC, at the FreeDOS site, to download a ISO image of it. I downloaded it, and dd-ed it to a USB stick
[00:09] <SaliorMoonLT> Thanks again, TJ-. I'm more interested in how you're accomplishing this (so I can reproduce it and FINALLY update this BIOS).
[00:09] <hggdh> SaliorMoonLT: so, the short answer to you "with what" question is "dd".
[00:09] <SaliorMoonLT> hggdh: When trying to dd it: The USB is not recognized as bootable. If you manually flag the partition as "bootable": It does not show.
[00:10] <SaliorMoonLT> [18:02:29] <SaliorMoonLT> Hi. I have a mild issue; trying to update the BIOS (Acer Swift 1 laptop; the BIOS updates are *.exe format (only 1 file)). I have spent the last ~13hrs trying everything under the sun. GRUB/GRUB2 + syslinux (memdisk) & grub2dos & unetbootin & MultiSystem & dd & Create Disk Startup & Burn Image. No avail. Any ideas?
[00:10] <SaliorMoonLT> (Not an all inclusive list.)
[00:10] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[00:11] <SaliorMoonLT> Hi, Umeaboy.
[00:11] <Umeaboy> In 17.10 I can't get Dropbox to show me any menu alternatives when right clicking on the panel applet in the Gnome like environment that comes with the installation.
[00:11] <Umeaboy> Any fix for that besides NOT installing Dropbox at all?
[00:11] <bugzbunny> Gnome like?
[00:12] <bugzbunny> You mean Budgie?
[00:12] <Umeaboy> If that's what it's called, then yes.
[00:12] <bugzbunny> Yeah, that's a problem, I didn't report upstream yet
[00:12] <Umeaboy> I see a dropdown menu, but no options to click.
[00:12] <bugzbunny> But, left click should work, have you tried it
[00:13] <Umeaboy> Yeah, still same result.
[00:13] <bugzbunny> Well, when you say Gnome like, I am not sure if this Unity
[00:13] <bugzbunny> Sorry, i might have jumped the gun here
[00:13] <Umeaboy> I thought Canonical abandoned Unity in favor of Gnome.
[00:14] <pragmaticenigma> SaliorMoonLT, what is the specific model of your laptop
[00:14] <bugzbunny> Not in favor, more like Unit wasn't working for them
[00:14] <Bashing-om> SaliorMoonLT: Here : http://linuxinsight.com/how-to-flash-motherboard-bios-from-linux-no-dos-windows-no-floppy-drive.html .
[00:14] <bugzbunny> Unity*
[00:14] <SaliorMoonLT> pragmaticenigma: https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/7211?b=1 -- Listed here
[00:14] <bugzbunny> Umeaboy: cat /etc/*-release and pastebin
[00:15] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: Need to make some alterations. I've based it on the FreeDOS Lite image, removed all the FDSETUP/ part, and installed the FLashit tools. Has to boot in BIOS/CSM/LEgacy mode, and just found it needs the FreeDos high-memory manager loading so need to set that up
[00:15] <pragmaticenigma> SaliorMoonLT, is there anything in the list of BIOS updates that are available that you currently experiencing issues with?
[00:15] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: I cannot boot into "legacy BIOS." This is LOCKED into UEFI.
[00:15] <SaliorMoonLT> I stated that previously.
[00:16] <SaliorMoonLT> pragmaticenigma: Trackpad/BIOS scanner/sleeping issues.
[00:16] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: according to the article it suggests Insyde should.
[00:16] <SaliorMoonLT> Already went down that train of thought. Ergo: IRC. Last ditch effort of ideas.
[00:18] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: have you booted it using the EDK II Shellx64.efi ?
[00:18] <pragmaticenigma> SaliorMoonLT, still a lot of options. One would be to image the harddrive to a backup, temp restore windows back to the laptop to do you bios update
[00:19] <SaliorMoonLT> Thanks for the article, Bashing-om. Just finished it.
[00:19] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Speaking Greek to me with that. I will safely assume: No.
[00:19] <SaliorMoonLT> pragmaticenigma: There's no CD/DVD drive. Nothing other than the USB.
[00:20] <Umeaboy> bugzbunny: https://hastebin.com/sorovoviwu.ini
[00:20] <pragmaticenigma> SaliorMoonLT, otherwise, power save sleep is temperamental in all linux distros I have found. I didn't see anything for the trackpad update and that is usually something covered in drivers, not firmware/bios
[00:20] <pragmaticenigma> SaliorMoonLT, not sure what BIOS Scanner is
[00:22] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: Whilst I get the EFI shell, can you partition/format your USB device to GPT with the 1st partition FAT16 or FAT32 512MB, mount it locally, and create within it: "mkdir -p /mnt/target; mount /dev/sdX1 /mnt/target; mkdir -p /mnt/target/EFI/BOOT"
[00:22] <bugzbunny> Umeaboy: Ahh, same here, I thought that would show the DE or WM
[00:23] <fa0> In 17.10 I've set it to use Local Time, but when I boot up I'm getting; 'Superblock last mount time is in the future', anyone know how to fix using 'LocalTime'?
[00:23] <bugzbunny> I have personal question, what's the easiest way to tell what DE/WM is using on Ubuntu?
[00:23] <mattfly> hello
[00:24] <fa0> I've looked online, can't find anything...
[00:24] <mattfly> Does anyone have any idea how to fix the ubuntu 16.04 hibernation issues due to meltodown patches? im on kernel 4.13
[00:24] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: once you've got that done fetch the EFI shell with: "wget -O /mnt/target/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI https://svn.code.sf.net/p/edk2/code/trunk/edk2/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi"
[00:24] <mattfly> arm64
[00:24] <bugzbunny> AFAIK, the should have either been backported
[00:24] <bugzbunny> Or already in the kernel
[00:24] <mattfly> please?
[00:24] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: most of those commands will need the 'sudo' prefix unless you do "sudo -i" first
[00:25] <bugzbunny> mattfly: Sorry, AFAIK, that should have either been backported or already in the kernel... dmesg | grep meltdown
[00:25] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: once you've put that file on "umount /mnt/target" and try booting from the USB device
[00:25] <Bashing-om> bugzbunny: ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ' .
[00:25] <bugzbunny> Oh, okay thanks, keep that in mind Bashing-om
[00:26] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Yes. I can format the USB device. No issues there.
[00:26] <mattfly> what do you mean bugzbunny?
[00:26] <bugzbunny> Umeaboy: echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[00:26] <mattfly> i thought and update to kernel 4.15 would fix
[00:27] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: what you're doing there is creating a bootable removable-media EFI device, with the EDK II shell in the 'simple boot' path used on all removable media - meaning the firmware knows where to find it, it doesn't need an entry in the firmware boot menu
[00:27] <bugzbunny> mattfly: AFAIK, all patches concerning meltdown have been applied, unless you saying meltdown is causing problems
[00:27] <mattfly> yes i am having problems with hibernation
[00:27] <bugzbunny> mattfly: If that's the case, I honestly say, the best thing to do is report it as a bug
[00:27] <mattfly> i cant recover from hibernations anymore
[00:27] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: if that boots then we know we've got a basic bootable EFI from where we may be able to bootstrap into a firmware update
[00:27] <mattfly> it is reported
[00:28] <bugzbunny> Let me see the bug report?
[00:28] <mattfly> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1743094
[00:28] <bugzbunny> Also, you might find some mailing list or ubuntu forums
[00:28] <bugzbunny> Also, what type of system are you having hibernation issues on?
[00:28] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: As I've said numerous times (with all due respect): I am more interested in knowing how you got from A to B so I can reproduce it myself. I doubt you mean any malicious behavior, but: This isn't /my/ laptop to begin with. :s
[00:29] <mattfly> 16.04 64 bits
[00:29] <mattfly> a laptop
[00:29] <SaliorMoonLT> The *.efi file appears to be rather large (GEEdit doesn't like opening it) and it's full of plain text nullbytes and misc. data.
[00:29] <SaliorMoonLT> Note to self: Install NPP.
[00:29] <Umeaboy> bugzbunny: unity
[00:30] <mattfly> some said that with kernel 4.14.15
[00:30] <mattfly> it would work
[00:30] <bugzbunny> mattfly: People seem interested, you going have to wait
[00:30] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: the .efi file is an EFI executable, it contains the EDK II shell
[00:30] <bugzbunny> You can try it, that is, I had checked earlier, kernel.ubuntu.org
[00:31] <mattfly> is there any way i can install that kernel?
[00:31] <bugzbunny> See if it fixed it
[00:31] <mattfly> "Works fine for me with 4.14.15-041415-generic. I did not try  disabling PTI with 4.13.0-26-generic. Also, I'll note that I only  noticed this problem after updating my BIOS (including the latest Intel  microcode update and Intel ME patch). Computer: Dell XPS 9360'
[00:31] <bugzbunny> Uh, I didn't go as far as figuring that out
[00:31] <mattfly> mine is also a dell
[00:31] <bugzbunny> I have issues with amdgpu but I stopped there
[00:31] <Umeaboy> bugzbunny: And?
[00:31] <fa0> Does anyone know how to use Local Time and then not have the time in the future?
[00:31] <mattfly> how can I update my kernel to that on ubuntu? with a ppa or something like that?
[00:32] <mattfly> im currently with 4.13.0_37
[00:32] <bugzbunny> Umeaboy: I don't have Unity here, but it might be broken, but Unity systray is well defined, have you asked Dropbox users?
[00:32] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Okay. I'll be back in a bit then (must dig deeper into understanding what EFI stands for in this context as well as EDK; I keep thinking of x86 asm and the edx register).
[00:32] <bugzbunny> Or maybe waiting around here people have answer
[00:32] <SaliorMoonLT> Embedded development kit (EDK)?
[00:32] <bugzbunny> I know on budgie, left click is right click.. right click is left click with no actions
[00:33] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: almost all proprietary UEFI's are built on the open-source Tianocore EDK II (created by Intel) with their own customisations. The prebuilt shell for 64-bit I linked you to provides a very powerful CLI environment and scripting like a bash shell. See e.g. https://www.tianocore.org/
[00:33] <Umeaboy> I get a dark thinner drop down menu both left and right clicking.
[00:34] <bugzbunny> Screen shot?
[00:34] <ripdisk> Hey guys, having problems with lubuntu but nobody will answer me in there. Last night, SSHD was working perfectly. I could SSH via my public IP, and also the lubuntu box's network IP.
[00:34] <ripdisk> i woke up today, and this is suddenly broken.
[00:34] <ripdisk> i cannot SSH into it via my public IP, or its network IP
[00:35] <ripdisk> HOWEVER, when i get on the lubuntu computer itself, it allows me to SSHD to both localhost AND 192.168.1.20
[00:35] <ripdisk> so SSHD is working
[00:35] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: Insyde use the EDK II as the basis of their H2O firmware, and the EDK II does have a Compatibility package (CSM/Legacy/BIOS mode) but we only have source for it and cannot build it without the Insyde headers/platform files (source is at https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/tree/master/EdkCompatibilityPkg)
[00:35] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: http://linuxinsight.com/how-to-flash-motherboard-bios-from-linux-no-dos-windows-no-floppy-drive.html -- This seems as if it would address the issue. I need to try it out.
[00:35] <ripdisk> but for whatever reason, it wont let me connect from any other computer other than itself
[00:36] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: that's precisely what I've been building, but as you pointed out, that PC cannot use BIOS mode so DOS can't be used
[00:36] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: I am not looking to disassemble and recompile the entire Linux kernel (that's what it's sounding like at this point) right now. I am sure there's an alternative viable solution that's much simpler and less eloquent.
[00:36] <ripdisk> that computer runs a site on port 80 and i can reach that just fine.../. but nobody can SSH into that computer, unless its from the computer itself via localhost or the network IP
[00:37] <Umeaboy> bugzbunny: How can I take a screenshot of it without it going away? A terminal command?
[00:37] <bugzbunny> Do you have Print Screen button?
[00:37] <bugzbunny> ripdisk: Check your Firewall
[00:38] <bugzbunny> ripdisk: iptables -S
[00:38] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: You bring a valid point out. Perhaps I will be forced into installing Windows XP+ onto my USB.
[00:38] <Umeaboy> bugzbunny: Yeah, but that just makes the menu vanish.
[00:38] <ripdisk> OK bugzbunny, let me run in that room since... i cant ssh..
[00:38] <SaliorMoonLT> Correct me if I'm wrong: A locally installed VM will not be capable of accessing the UEFI directly, yes? Translation: A VM of Windows XYZ will be unable to update the BIOS firmware.
[00:39] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-
[00:39] <Bashing-om> fa0: What release ( systemd ??) .. and what time is now set in bios ?
[00:39] <bugzbunny> Umeaboy: than screen record?
[00:39] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: There is a UEFI 'Capsule' firmware update format and we have Linux tooling to use that, but it seems the PC manufacturer doesn't provide a Capsule file, only this Windows-specific raw image and Windows-specific tools
[00:39] <ripdisk> it says iptablles -s requires arguments
[00:39] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: correct, no VM can access the host firmware
[00:40] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Which is why I am immediately leaning towards a quick and swift (no puns intended) solution of using one of my Windows discs that's lying around as a solution.
[00:40] <fa0> Bashing-om: I said I was on 17.10 and the BIOS is set showing the local time
[00:40] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Thank you for all the assistance and answers. These are the stringent questions you seldom find answers to on various forums (despite hours of Googling).
[00:40] <ripdisk> uh
[00:40] <ripdisk> iptables -S printed like a million lines of gibberish
[00:40] <SaliorMoonLT> fa0: Ubuntu 17.10 has been suggested as highly buggy and it's encouraged that you use 16.04 (from Ubuntu).
[00:41] <ripdisk> i just dont understand wwhy it suddenly stopped acceptig SSH connections from anywhere other than itself
[00:41] <ripdisk> i mean, that same computer is running apache and i can access that just fine
[00:41] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: if there was a Capsule file containing the firmware image all we'd need is to put it in the EFI-SP of a USB at /EFI/CapsuleUpdate/ (e.g. see slide 16 here https://www.slideshare.net/insydesoftware/uefi-spec-version-24-facilitates-secure-update )
[00:41] <ripdisk> and i can ssh to itself from itself, via public and network IP
[00:42]  * SaliorMoonLT looks
[00:42] <fa0> SaliorMoonLT: yes I figured that out after installing it... LOL But I have to much set up in it to ditch it just yet, and I figure to wait on the next LTS release, which I'm assuming is next month
[00:42] <fa0> So this isn't helping my situation... :P
[00:43] <fa0> There must be someway around this, and I'm about to install ntp and see if it helps, but before I do that, trying to see if I can do this without ntp
[00:43] <bugzbunny> I'd like to differ in SaliorMoonLT opinion
[00:43] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Ah. Okay. I apologize. You are still speaking Greek to me (it's been a while).
[00:43] <Bashing-om> fa0: K, linux expects bios time to be UTC . http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/time-differences-ubuntu-1604-windows-10/ ... Then try : ' timedatectl set-local-rtc 1 ' :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/timedatectl.1.html .
[00:43] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: trouble is we don't even know if that PC has UEFI v2.4 so even if we had a Capsule it'd be 50/50 if that (easy) method would work
[00:43] <bugzbunny> 17.10 is not LTS
[00:43] <pragmaticenigma> fa0, with the release next month, it's still recommended to wait a month or two before jumping on it as it might be a bit while some of the bugs are worked out
[00:43] <bazhang> bugzbunny, thus his saying wiating for it next month
[00:43] <fa0> Bashing-om: I've been running Slack a very long time and I've always used Local Time, I don't believe that...
[00:43] <bazhang> bugzbunny, next being the LTS
[00:43] <SaliorMoonLT> Hello, bazhang.
[00:43] <bugzbunny> bazhang: He said, that 17.10 was buggy as hell
[00:44] <fa0> I've never run UTC in the BIOS ever...
[00:44] <bugzbunny> bazhang: I took the opportunity to defend Ubuntu on this regard
[00:44] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: I was just paraphrasing the site (Ubuntu). They made it a hassle to get 17.10.
[00:44] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: EFI Capsules are supposed to be standard way of updating firmware, and is OS independent. However, Insyde produce cheap buggy firmware and don't seem to have invested in adding this functionality (we haven't seen it so far)
[00:44] <fa0> pragmaticenigma: I'm a geek I know... :P
[00:44] <bazhang> bugzbunny, and he wanted for next month's LTS which is 18.04
[00:44] <bugzbunny> bazhang: Ahh, must have missed that
[00:44] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Unfortunately: You are speaking about things that I am 100% ignorant of. I am unable to offer much of a... Compotent reply. Thank you for the information though. The more the merrier.
[00:44] <bugzbunny> SaliorMoonLT: I saw that comment
[00:45] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: No sarcasm. I like learning. :)
[00:45] <bugzbunny> Well, I liked so far that TJ is going of his way to help support you
[00:45] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: if you want to learn about the BIOS and UEFI boot process, I wrote the book on it :)  http://iam.tj/prototype/guides/boot/
[00:45] <bugzbunny> It's a nice reading from open source point of view
[00:45] <pragmaticenigma> Does anyone know if and when 32 bit support will be dropped?
[00:45] <fa0> 17.10 isn't all that crappy, BUT I'm surprised Canonical released it in the state they did, this isn't going to win Canonical any respect if they keep this up...
[00:45] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: and you may find the flow-chart there very useful
[00:46] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: I will definitely read over that before the end of the day.
[00:46] <SaliorMoonLT> Coffee's brewing... :)
[00:46] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: only 32-bit ISOs are dropped, I doubt we'll stop building i386 packages
[00:46] <SaliorMoonLT> "Created August 2014 last updated 2017-09-30, more to come" - TJ-
[00:46] <ripdisk> can anybody help me determine why my lubuntu setup would randomly start blocking ALL remote SSHD traffic from anywhere, including from within the network??
[00:46] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, how will one get 32bit installed in the future? or will network install always have a 32bit spin?
[00:47] <fa0> If ntp is installed and running, this should fix the time in the future?
[00:47] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I think the expectation is that most 32-bit systems will be low-power and will use lubuntu/xubuntu/budgie or be in a container or VPS
[00:47] <fa0> I'm surprised there's no way to disable systemd for the time, have it set to local restart systemd and have it synced?
[00:48] <ripdisk> I can SSH to the computer FROM itself, using localhost OR its 192.*** network address...... but i cannot SSH from ANYTHING else. However the same computer is running apache, and i can visit that website on port 80 just fine
[00:48] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: but the main Ubuntu/Kubuntu ISOs will be 64-bit only since they're expected to require heavweight GPU support for compositing etc
[00:48] <ripdisk> the computer is blocking all sshd traffic from anywhere other than from itself
[00:49] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, main concern is being able to do a network install. I haven't run Ubuntu/Kubuntu on these old rigs I have. But since they're testing grounds for other things, I do wipe and start over frequently
[00:49] <pragmaticenigma> most they run Ubuntu Server
[00:51] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: netboot will continue to support 32-bit, there's no extra maintenance/testing load for providing that. The reason for dropping the 32-bit ISOs was the amount of testing required and so few users actually downloading those ISOs
[00:51] <guiverc_d> pragmaticenigma, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-December/004257.html  (server end of 32bit images)
[00:53] <SM|LT-Reading> TJ-: "At power-on the CPU begins executing code to enable Random Access Memory (RAM)" -- I did not know RAM was loaded from the HDD... :p
[00:53] <pragmaticenigma> guiverc, my concern is the mini.iso which can install ubuntu server... not full ISOs as mentioned in the article
[00:53] <SM|LT-Reading> TJ-: Oops! CPU... I thought that said SSD.
[00:53]  * TJ- grrrs
[00:54] <guiverc> pragmaticenigma, i saw your msg to TJ after I pressed enter - my quick search didn't find anything about minimal
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> SM|LT-Reading, needs more coffee and slow down a bit there
[00:55] <SM|LT-Reading> pragmaticenigma: No coffee.... Yet. Girlfriend just went to fetch me a glass! >:)
[00:55] <pragmaticenigma> guiverc, it's in the same link you posted :-) mini.iso is still going to be generated
[00:58] <SM|LT-Reading> GPTs still feel alien to me. I am used to MBRs.
[00:58] <rperes> hi
[00:59] <donofrio> humm "Using Ubuntu on Windows is safer than Ubuntu on Linux." - Page 46​
[00:59] <donofrio> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alex-ionescu.com%2Fpublications%2FBlueHat%2Fbluehat2016.pdf
[01:00] <donofrio> opppps http://www.alex-ionescu.com/publications/BlueHat/bluehat2016.pdf
[01:03] <funky> Hi folks I was wondering if someone could tell me why my 250 GIG drive is three quarters full and I only have ubuntu 16.04 LTS Loaded
[01:04] <SM|LT-Reading> TJ-: "On Ubuntu these come from the packages shim-signed and shim respectively"
[01:05] <SM|LT-Reading> TJ-: Didn't Linux black-box reverse engineer these things from Microsoft Windows?
[01:05] <supernovah> whats the bash channel
[01:05] <TJ-> SM|LT-Reading: where did you read about reverse-engineering them?
[01:05] <TJ-> supernovah: #bash
[01:05] <supernovah> or can I just ask here, I want to make a for loop on two variables which were the output of previously executed programs in the script
[01:05] <SM|LT-Reading> TJ-: I do not recall... I do remember reading-- Oh! That may have been WINE.
[01:05] <SM|LT-Reading> I was researching how WINE came about earlier this week. They black-box RE'd it.
[01:05] <ripdisk> man, can somebody PLEASE help me??? i'm asking in #lubuntu i'm asking in #linux i'm askding politely everywhere
[01:06] <SM|LT-Reading> ripdisk: You cannot SSH from...?
[01:06] <TJ-> SM|LT-Reading: Microsoft signed the Canonical shimx64.efi which contains the Canonical cert which then checks the canonical signature of grubx64.efi and so on
[01:06] <ripdisk> I didn't change any settings, I didn't mess with anything at all, and for whatever reason, my SSHD is not allowing connections from ANYWHERE other than itself via localhost or the 192.168**** network IP.
[01:06] <SM|LT-Reading> TJ-: Microsoft cooperated with GNU/Linux?!
[01:07] <TJ-> SM|LT-Reading: Yes, of course, why not?
[01:07] <Bashing-om> funky: What does 'ncdu' report about disk usage ?
[01:07] <ripdisk> nobody has ANY idea?\
[01:08] <SM|LT-Reading> TJ-: I was under the impression that GNU/Linux was in competition with Microsoft all these years (the only commerial one that comes to mind is: RedHat).
[01:08] <funky> Bashing I'm a newbie with Ubuntu diagnostics  ncdu ?
[01:08] <donofrio> humm in the context of WSL what do you folks think of the concept that "Using Ubuntu on Windows is safer than Ubuntu on Linux." - Page 46​ of http://www.alex-ionescu.com/publications/BlueHat/bluehat2016.pdf ??
[01:08] <pragmaticenigma> ripdisk, have you attempted to restart the service, or even rebooted the machine?
[01:08] <ripdisk> yes, both.
[01:08] <ripdisk> i even reverted the SSHD config to defaults
[01:09] <TJ-> ripdisk: if the port isn't accessible and the process has bound to it, then there must be firewall rules preventing access
[01:09] <ripdisk> so, the firewall made a rule on its own?
[01:09] <ripdisk> because last night, i was working on that computer via ssh until like 3 in the morning
[01:09] <ripdisk> havn't touched it since then, try to SSH now and its dead
[01:09] <pragmaticenigma> ripdisk, do you have fail2ban enabled?
[01:10] <TJ-> ripdisk: earlier you said "iptables -S printed like a million lines of gibberish" so presumably there's something in there... what created those million lines? maybe you have some automated tool like fail2ban installed
[01:10] <ripdisk> i'm not sure... but if you can do a ssh -v for me maybe you can see the verbose stuff
[01:10] <ripdisk> just use lyonsit.tk as the IP
[01:10] <SM|LT-Reading> TJ-: That was a hell of a read! Thank you. You wrote it all?
[01:10] <ripdisk> lyonsIT.tk points to the computer we're trying to SSH to
[01:10] <Bashing-om> funky: ; ncdu - will require installing from repo - else one can also get an idae of disk usage from the 'du; tool . A varient of ' du -h --max-depth=1 | sort -hr ' .
[01:10] <ripdisk> on port 80 of that, it works
[01:11] <ripdisk> like if you go to lyonsit.tk on port 80 it works
[01:11] <ripdisk> but you cant ssh to lyonsit.tk
[01:11] <funky> Loading ncdu right now Bashing-om
[01:12] <TJ-> ripdisk: right, so check if there's a firewall rule blocking port 22
[01:12] <TJ-> ripdisk: for example, try this: "sudo iptables-save | grep 22"
[01:13] <ripdisk> ok, let me write it down and go into the other room so i can type it
[01:13] <TJ-> SaliorMoon|LT: yes, and it took 10 times longer to draw the SVG diagram!
[01:13] <funky> Bashing-om for some reason I can't find it after loading it.  # sudo apt-get install ncdu -y
[01:14] <TJ-> ripdisk: if you find rules doing a -j DROP for --dport 80 then you've found the culprit
[01:14] <Bashing-om> !info ncdu
[01:14] <SaliorMoon|LT> TJ-: 1080p monitor and I cannot read that tiny pixelated diagram... I just didn't want to bring it up (despite the note being left behind)... >_>
[01:14] <Bashing-om> funky: ^^ universe repo enabled ?
[01:14] <funky> Bashing-om, I did a search your computer nothing came up
[01:14] <TJ-> SaliorMoon|LT: it says at the top of the diagram "Click the PC POWER ON round button at the top of the flowchart to toggle between column and full-screen view"
[01:15] <SaliorMoon|LT> TJ-: Anything that says that makes me afraid that it'll blow up if I click on it.
[01:15] <TJ-> SaliorMoon|LT: you'd best not touch the Esc key then!
[01:15] <funky> Bashing-om, sorry don't know what that means  universe repo enable  how do I activate it?
[01:15] <Bashing-om> funky: what shows in terminal ' which ncdu ' ?
[01:15] <SaliorMoon|LT> TJ-: I try not to! I rely on CTRL + SHIFT + ES.... I mean... CTRL + ALT + DEL!
[01:16] <TJ-> SaliorMoon|LT: doesn't work for me :p
[01:16] <ripdisk> OK i typed it
[01:16] <ripdisk> this iis what it said
[01:16] <SaliorMoon|LT> TJ-: Does kill dash nine at least work? :)
[01:17] <funky> Bashing-om, nothing shows I just typed in sudo apt-get install
[01:17] <ripdisk> -A ufw-before-input -d 224.0.0.251/32 -p udp -m udp --dport 5353 -j accept
[01:17] <ripdisk> sorry i had to write all that
[01:17] <ripdisk> thats what the output was
[01:18] <TJ-> SaliorMoon|LT: anyhow, right now I don't see any easy way to get around the Insyde H20 lock-downs, and I think many have tried. The only possibilty I can think of is if the firmware automatically checks the EFI system partition for a fixed path where it expects to find an update file. Even then, that would probably be the Capsule file support and we don't have a Capsule
[01:18] <funky> Bashing-om, nothing is listed below the command it's like it didn't work
[01:18] <ripdisk> doews that mean anything
[01:18] <ripdisk> cos it doesnt mean anything to me
[01:19] <bugzbunny> oO TJ
[01:19] <SaliorMoon|LT> TJ-: I have come to a quick solution of ---> The model calls for "Windows." I will then use: "Windows."
[01:19] <TJ-> ripdisk: OK, well the only 22 tere is the 224. which means there's no firewall rule blocking port 22, which is good news in a way
[01:19] <bugzbunny> I have American Strands
[01:19] <SaliorMoon|LT> Thank you though, TJ-, for all the effort and reading material. I really enjoyed it. :)
[01:19] <SaliorMoon|LT> bugzbunny: You're American?!
[01:19] <Bashing-om> funky: Keep in mind being new and not knowing is not a sin . We were all new at one time. to install ncdu from terminal do ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt install ncdu ' .
[01:19] <TJ-> SaliorMoon|LT: yes, I think so, you could waste weeks on it otherwise
[01:19] <bugzbunny> I play with some older 286/386/438 in Emulators
[01:20] <ripdisk> how yeah TJ-
[01:20] <bugzbunny> SaliorMoon|LT: I am American yes, but the BIOS I have is American Strands or Strends
[01:20] <ripdisk> -how
[01:20] <ripdisk> i mean yeah tj
[01:20] <bugzbunny> It's a ASUS Mobo
[01:20] <ripdisk> i mean, shoot
[01:20] <ripdisk> should i just uninstall sshd
[01:20] <SaliorMoon|LT> bugzbunny: What state? >:)
[01:20] <ripdisk> and reinstall it?
[01:20] <bugzbunny> PA
[01:20] <SaliorMoon|LT> OH! I love that state.
[01:21] <bugzbunny> Pff
[01:21] <bugzbunny> It's alright
[01:21] <SaliorMoon|LT> You know that horrible construction spot on the interstate on the south east side (where all 3 interstates conjuct)?
[01:21] <TJ-> ripdisk: well, let's check off some items. 1) is sshd running ("systemctl status ssh") - if so, is it using the config you think it is ("grep Port /etc/ssh/sshd_config") and is the Port set to 22 ?
[01:21] <SaliorMoon|LT> I almost ran an 18-wheeler into some bizarre apartment complex office. The detour said to go down a 1-way 1-lane road (middle of the night).
[01:21] <SaliorMoon|LT> the *
[01:22] <ripdisk> i know SSH is running because i can SSH to the computer FROM the computer
[01:22] <funky> Bashing-om, will this upgrade to Ubuntu 17 ?
[01:23] <TJ-> ripdisk: OK, so now you need to monitor the system log whilst trying to get another PC to connect to it: "journalctl -f -u ssh.service"
[01:23] <TJ-> ripdisk: are all the PCs in the 192.168.x.y/24 sub-net ?
[01:24] <Bashing-om> funky: No will not release upgrade . that procedure is a differing command. Here we update what is presently installed .
[01:24] <TJ-> ripdisk: wooa, hang on, is the PC directly connected to the Internet with a public IP address, or is it behind a gateway/router like at home?
[01:24] <ripdisk> its here at home on a router
[01:25] <ripdisk> the computer is 192.168.1.20
[01:25] <bugzbunny> SaliorMoon|LT: I don't know PA that well, I didn't grew up here
[01:25] <ripdisk> but lyonsit.tk points to my IP.... and it goes through a router, which fowards 22 to the 1.20 IP
[01:25] <bugzbunny> I grew up in NJ and I don't know NJ that way
[01:25] <TJ-> ripdisk: OK, so all PCs are in the 192.168.1.0/24 sub-net and connected to the router via either wire or Wifi ?
[01:25] <bugzbunny> well*
[01:26] <bugzbunny> I like the police here, for a black person, they are pretty nice
[01:26] <bugzbunny> Considering the crimes we have
[01:26] <TJ-> ripdisk: if the problem was only affecting connections coming in from outside the obvious issue would be the router was no longer port-forwarding - but if this is happening on your internal LAN as well that's another ting
[01:26] <ripdisk> yeah
[01:26] <ripdisk> like, i'm on the same network as that computer
[01:27] <ripdisk> and when i SSH to 192.168.1.20, nothing happens and it times out
[01:27] <TJ-> ripdisk: is it on wired or wireless interface?
[01:27] <ripdisk> but if i get on the computer itself and SSH to localhost or that 1.20, it works
[01:27] <ripdisk> wired.
[01:27] <bugzbunny> Also, is it bind to 0.0.0.0
[01:27] <ripdisk> yes.
[01:27] <bugzbunny> Because wired and wireless wouldn't matter
[01:27] <TJ-> ripdisk: you're sure .20 is it's current address? It could be using DHCP and the address changed?
[01:28] <bugzbunny> What does 'ip addr' say?
[01:28] <Jakethepython> Hello Room i am running Ubuntu 16.04 Server and i am having trouble with network connectivity all ports say MULTICAST
[01:28] <funky> Bashing-om, seems like a lot of upgrading just to load one small program. I'm just new so I have no Idea
[01:28] <SaliorMoon|LT> bugzbunny: It says it looks to similar to C code.
[01:28] <Jakethepython> UPBROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST*
[01:28] <SaliorMoon|LT> bugzbunny: NJ? Disgusting. PA has some BEAUTIFUL hills around Morgan / Clinton / that one city's name I always forget.
[01:28] <SaliorMoon|LT> (I was never fond of going 15MPH up the hills though with a 40-ton load though).
[01:29] <ripdisk> tj, my ips dont change because they are bound to their hardware IDs
[01:29] <ripdisk> and yes i'm sure, because the computer also runs apache, and i can visit the website with http://192.168.1.20
[01:29] <TJ-> ripdisk: so it's using static IPs, OK... I'm trying to cover all the obvious bases
[01:30] <Bashing-om> funky: Well, if you do not have "unattended-upgrades" enabled, then yeah ! A lot of updates to be done .
[01:30] <TJ-> ripdisk: I think it has to be a firewall rule, if we have no other evidence. Can you use a USB thumb drive to copy a file onto from that PC so you can upload it to a pastebin?
[01:31] <funky> Bashing-om, I thought I did have it on, but probably I don't  ;0)
[01:31] <Jakethepython> I am also not seeing an Eth0 of 1
[01:31] <Jakethepython> or 1
[01:32] <SaliorMoon|LT> ERiC-16?!
[01:32] <SaliorMoon|LT> 2002?
[01:32] <ripdisk> yeah i can do that actually
[01:32] <bugzbunny> TJ-: I said that earlier based on my deduction
[01:33] <bugzbunny> TJ-: He gave enough information, if it's iptables, then it's routing
[01:33] <TJ-> bugzbunny: right, but I had ripdisk do an iptables-save | grep 22 and it came up with nothing
[01:33] <bugzbunny> k
[01:33] <TJ-> bugzbunny: but it doesn't have to be a port-block rule necessarily
[01:34] <TJ-> bugzbunny: i doubt it's routing if port 80 is fine
[01:34] <bugzbunny> I have read up because was AFK, but may I ask, SSH locally doesn't help, can he SSH from another computer with the same lan
[01:34] <TJ-> bugzbunny: I was wondering if there's a duplicate IP on the network and another system is answering, maybe we should check the neighbor tables
[01:35] <bugzbunny> AHhh
[01:35] <TJ-> bugzbunny: no, that fails too
[01:35] <bugzbunny> What does 'arp' say?
[01:35] <SaliorMoon|LT> bazhang: I hope
[01:35] <TJ-> bugzbunny: ripdisk do you know how to get the PC interface MAC address, and on other computers, to check their ARP/neighbour tables?
[01:36] <TJ-> bugzbunny: actually, can't be MAC either! doh. port 80 again :D
[01:36] <bugzbunny> Also, do you have pastebin of iptables -S please
[01:36] <bugzbunny> Well, he said timed out, not connect refused
[01:36] <TJ-> bugzbunny: I've asked ripdisk to get a USB flash drive to transfer some file/logging off for us
[01:36] <bugzbunny> So, it can't be SSHD is not running
[01:36] <bugzbunny> Okay
[01:37] <TJ-> bugzbunny: hmmm, good point... timed out sounds like it's answering the SYN but not going firther
[01:37] <bugzbunny> I'd like to see iptables -S, instead of greping for 22
[01:37] <TJ-> bugzbunny: again, that could be a firewall rule!
[01:37] <funky> Bashing-om, everything is now upgraded now I type in sudo apt install ncdu ?
[01:37] <TJ-> bugzbunny: yes, I asked to see iptables-save (same thing)
[01:37] <ripdisk> TJ
[01:37] <ripdisk> i said yeah, i have plenty of USB things
[01:38] <ripdisk> what do you you want me to get?>
[01:38] <ripdisk> oh wait
[01:38] <ripdisk> i'm dumb
[01:38] <ripdisk> i can get on IRC from there
[01:38] <ripdisk> brb
[01:38] <TJ-> ripdisk: OK, plug one into the server, make sure it's mounted and you know where it is mounted, then do "sudo iptables-save > /path/to/usb/iptables.log"
[01:38] <TJ-> ripdisk: hahaha of course :D
[01:39] <bugzbunny> TJ-: I have a lan with about 4 computers, I have problems a lot, at this point, for me I like to see Wireshark heehh
[01:39] <TJ-> ripdisk: so you can do "pastebinit <( sudo iptables-save; cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config; systemctl status ssh )" for us
[01:39] <ripdisk_> HERE I BE!@#@!$@!5
[01:39] <Bashing-om> funky: Affirmitive . ' sudo apt install ncdu ' .
[01:39] <TJ-> ripdisk_: so you can do "pastebinit <( sudo iptables-save; cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config; systemctl status ssh )" for us
[01:39] <ripdisk_> ok
[01:39] <bugzbunny> SaliorMoon|LT: Yeah, I haven't travel around PA that much, to be honest, I have my personal opinions
[01:40] <TJ-> bugzbunny: I've got ~30 here and never have network issues - well, unless I try to access a device via the LAN that's actually on the isolated management network!
[01:41] <funky> Bashing-om, now I did that now what do I do?
[01:41] <SaliorMoon|LT> Where on Ubuntu do you change file association (default text editor: NPP)?
[01:41] <SaliorMoon|LT> I believe I installed nautilus.
[01:42] <ripdisk_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sZdm7PC5JC/
[01:42] <ripdisk_> sorry, had to install pastebinit... what a cool app!
[01:42] <Bashing-om> funky: In termianl type ' ncdu ' and see the numbers of where all the disk space is used .
[01:42] <SaliorMoon|LT> Never mind; found it!
[01:43] <TJ-> ripdisk_: OK, it's the firewall, UFW, it's dropping all INPUT unless it sets exceptions
[01:43] <bugzbunny> TJ-: Yeah, you want to brag
[01:43] <bugzbunny> >.>
[01:43] <Bashing-om> funky: The tool uses a pager to display . 'q' to quit .
[01:43] <ripdisk_> OK
[01:43] <ripdisk_> thas very odd, it must have set that as part as an update
[01:43] <ripdisk_> how do i fix i
[01:43] <ripdisk_> t
[01:45] <TJ-> ripdisk_:  I don't use UFW, I need to lookup the command, put it looks to be something like 'allow input port 22' - let me check the syntax though
[01:45] <ripdisk_> I don't use it either, no ideahow it got on here
[01:45] <TJ-> ripdisk_: try this: "sudo ufw allow ssh"
[01:45] <ripdisk_> it must have automatically been added when  i upgraded tothe new version of lubuntu
[01:45] <ripdisk_> ripdisk@bmt-one:~$ sudo ufw allow ssh
[01:45] <ripdisk_> Rule added
[01:45] <ripdisk_> Rule added (v6)
[01:45] <TJ-> ripdisk_: then go test connections again
[01:45] <ripdisk_> ok, brb.
[01:46] <funky> Bashing-om, Thanks a million works like a dream. One last question it says there is a backup going on for one of my backup drives. That's what is taking up all the space. how do I shut that off? or delete it?
[01:46] <TJ-> ripdisk_: it works, I'm connecting
[01:46] <ripdisk_> YEP
[01:46] <ripdisk_> THAT DID IT
[01:46] <ripdisk_> now, the bigger question
[01:46] <TJ-> ripdisk_: phew!
[01:46] <ripdisk_> what in the HELL set that for me
[01:46] <ripdisk_> i didn't change that stuff, i dont know anything about that stuff
[01:47] <TJ-> ripdisk_: as you said, most likely the upgrade
[01:47] <ripdisk_> yeah
[01:47] <ripdisk_> so like
[01:47] <ripdisk_> lets say i want to openanother port
[01:47] <Bashing-om> funky: Got me .. there are so many backup utilities out there .. deja-dup ?
[01:47] <ripdisk_> ripdisk@bmt-one:~$ sudo ufw allow ssh
[01:47] <ripdisk_> Rule added
[01:47] <ripdisk_> Rule added (v6)
[01:47] <TJ-> ripdisk_: try "grep -C 4  ufw /var/log/apt/history.log"
[01:47] <ripdisk_> grep -C 4 vfw /var/log/apt/history.log
[01:47] <ripdisk_> oops
[01:47] <leftyfb> ripdisk_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[01:48] <ripdisk_> is ther ea command where i can just like
[01:48] <ripdisk_> can i uninstall vfw?
[01:48] <Jakethepython> after restarting server and installing a new router i no longer have network
[01:48] <TJ-> ripdisk_: to open other ports see 'man ufw' but basically it's "sudo ufw allow <service-name>" (e.g. ssh) or "sudo ufx allow <port>/<protocol>" (e.g. 22/tcp)
[01:48] <Cyber_Akuma> Is there any gui-based tightVNC server for Ubuntu? I have no idea how to configure the CLI one
[01:48] <TJ-> ripdisk_: I'd assume "sudo apt purge ufw"
[01:48] <ripdisk_> by protocol you mean udp/tcp right
[01:48] <TJ-> ripdisk_: correct
[01:49] <ripdisk_> ok
[01:49] <ripdisk_> do you recommend i purge it
[01:49] <ripdisk_> or just continue to use it
[01:49] <funky> Bashing-om, I haven't loaded anything on this but VLC gpart and a scanner software
[01:49] <pragmaticenigma> Cyber_Akuma, you could check out x11vnc
[01:49] <TJ-> ripdisk_: well, you've got it connected to the public net, even if via port forwarding, so might be best to default it to being secure
[01:50] <funky> Bashing-om, everything is stock so to speak
[01:50] <ripdisk_> sweet, now randomly virtualbox wont run.
[01:50] <TJ-> ripdisk_: also, switch to using ssh keys and once they're working disable password authentication, so it can't be brute-force attacked
[01:50] <ripdisk_> i lost my entire virtual system now.
[01:50] <ripdisk_> i wish lubuntu would stop breaking thngs
[01:50] <ripdisk_> nm its working
[01:50] <ripdisk_> srry
[01:51] <Bashing-om> funky: Untill you identify what the backup program is --- and read the help page . not much else we can do to "stop" it. One does need to work from within the utility .
[01:51] <Cyber_Akuma> x11vnc seems to be cli based too
[01:51] <ripdisk_> welp tj
[01:51] <ripdisk_> i appreciate it
[01:51] <ripdisk_> thanks a whole bunch
[01:51] <TJ-> ripdisk_: glad we got you sorted
[01:51] <ripdisk_> sometimes i forget how dangerous upgrades can be
[01:52] <ripdisk_> now, my other problem
[01:52] <TJ-> ripdisk_: yes, always pays to read the release notes /and/ look at the list of upgrade packages and query any you don't recognise
[01:52] <ripdisk_> a customer hit me up about a laptop.... we agreed on a price for diagnosis, he told me the time he was comming
[01:52] <ripdisk_> 30 minutes he said
[01:52] <ripdisk_> is been 2.5 hours
[01:52] <ripdisk_> i KNOW nobody beat my price
[01:52] <funky> Bashing-om, Thank you so very much, I'll see if I can find what it is that is backing up my drive.
[01:52] <leftyfb> ripdisk_: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:53] <ripdisk_> yeah sorry.
[01:53] <ripdisk_> is there an #ubuntu-rants
[01:53] <bugzbunny> I amctually excited
[01:53] <UbuntuServerNewU> Ubuntu Server Install: Check disc for errors gives me a flashing screen, black and white... ruled out usb drive corruption.... can't find anything on google... next steps?
[01:53] <bugzbunny> I'd like help solving my problems too
[01:53] <bugzbunny> But my problems is tooo complicated to fix because this would be my last venu
[01:53] <Umeaboy> bugzbunny: Name them.
[01:54] <Umeaboy> Or at least one of them.
[01:54] <TJ-> UbuntuServerNewU: which Ubuntu release?
[01:54] <bugzbunny> Well, one, Banshee crashes when I import media
[01:54] <bugzbunny> Second one, is budgie problem, I need to report upstream for
[01:55] <bugzbunny> There is was another problem but probably had put that in the back burner
[01:55] <UbuntuServerNewU> TJ-: Ubuntu Server 16.04.4 LTS
[01:55] <bugzbunny> I can't remember it
[01:55] <TJ-> UbuntuServerNewU: I was wondering if this is caused by ther recent GRUB issue where the boot-screens keep trying to flip between text and graphics mode
[01:56] <TJ-> UbuntuServerNewU: is the check still running when this flashing occurs?
[01:56] <bugzbunny> I feel we working as a team, I actually find joy in helping
[01:56] <TJ-> UbuntuServerNewU: and, how did you rule out the USB drive corruption?
[01:57] <bugzbunny> No to many cooks in kitchen issues
[01:58] <UbuntuServerNewU> TJ-: hmmm... interesting... a couple of different USB drives a couple of times with repeated downloads.... the flickering happens right after I select the option to check the disk for errors
[02:00] <bugzbunny> TJ-: I had that problem
[02:00] <funky> Does anyone happen to know if any of the newer mainboards are compatible with Ubuntu. Ones with DDR4 usb 3.1 etc.
[02:01] <bugzbunny> At first, I thought corruption, but I saw the update for grub, so it was Grub
[02:01] <bugzbunny> funky: It wouldn't be if they are compatible with Ubuntu, it would be it's compatible with Linux Kernel
[02:02] <leftyfb> funky: usb 3.1 and ddr4 are supported just fine
[02:02] <bugzbunny> funky: Ubuntu doesn't develop their own Kernel... For DDR4, on Intel side, that has been supported for a long time
[02:03] <bugzbunny> USB ports should fallback
[02:03] <bugzbunny> At least, AFAIK,
[02:03] <leftyfb> usb 3.1 support is in the kernel
[02:05] <funky> I was kinda upset when I checked out one of the latest ASUS mainboard and it said it was only compatible with Windows The board I'm refering to is the asus rog maximus x hero
[02:06] <leftyfb> funky: consumer hardware marketing will almost never mention linux compatibility. That means almost nothing.
[02:07] <Jakethepython> IFUP only brign up DHCPDiscovery
[02:08] <bugzbunny> ASUS
[02:08] <funky> Thanks leftyfb bugzbunny
[02:08] <bugzbunny> I have ASUS mainboard
[02:08] <bugzbunny> ASUS, is focusing on a Market Place
[02:09] <bugzbunny> But trust me, if you say you have issue with the mainboard
[02:09] <funky> Me too have always been an ASUS fan for the last 20 years
[02:09] <bugzbunny> They will help you, but it has to be specific to the mainboard
[02:09] <bugzbunny> I am have NOW become a ASUS fan
[02:09] <bugzbunny> I like thier durability
[02:10] <funky> totally
[02:10] <bugzbunny> I have a ...
[02:10] <bugzbunny> Old Mainboard, 970 gaming board
[02:11] <funky> I still have my old A8N with the AMD 3200 barton chip  :0)
[02:12] <bugzbunny> I come from Gigabyte
[02:12] <funky> I'm running right now p9x79 asus
[02:12] <bugzbunny> I know ASUS line that well, all I can say
[02:13] <bugzbunny> For AMD side of things
[02:13] <bugzbunny> I prefer them
[02:13] <bugzbunny> I have ASUS 19 inch monitor, for 2 years
[02:13] <bugzbunny> I dropped but how many times
[02:13] <bugzbunny> The case is cracked
[02:13] <TJ-> funky: I've still got an active Asus A7M266D running in my forensics/data-recovery cluster
[02:13] <funky> I switched to Intel a few years ago because AMD dropped way down is speed comparisons
[02:13] <bugzbunny> Sometimes it doesn't turn on
[02:14] <bugzbunny> But that is so RARE
[02:15] <funky> TJ-,  how old is the A7M2660
[02:15] <TJ-> funky: 2002/3-ish
[02:15] <TJ-> it has dual sockets, AMD Athlon MP2000 I think
[02:16] <funky> TJ-,  I don't recognize it, but back then I bought the top of the line gaming equipment
[02:17] <TJ-> back then it was dedicated to video compression jobs 24/7 ... now it's host to lots of legacy floppy/zip/cd/etc drives for data-recovery and forensics
[02:17] <bugzbunny> My only complaints with my Mainboard
[02:17] <bugzbunny> I OC my CPU to 4.3 from 3.20
[02:18] <bugzbunny> I read a lot but was always about voltage
[02:18] <bugzbunny> This mobo has VRM Digi+ system
[02:19] <bugzbunny> In bios, I would like the help messages for some options is a bit more descriptive
[02:19] <bugzbunny> My only complaint
[02:19] <TJ-> eeek! it's 2:20 ... time flies!
[02:20] <funky> TJ-, true it does
[02:20] <TJ-> g'night
[02:20] <tripelb> so when there is an admin account that means that none of the other acvounts can do sudo? is this correct?
[02:21] <tripelb> <learning by trial
[02:21] <funky> bugzbunny, nice
[02:22] <bugzbunny> funky: CPU runing at temp1:        +28.4°C  (high = +70.0°C)
[02:23] <funky> bugzbunny,  I don't overclock I just buy a new system. LOL  I wish
[02:23] <bugzbunny> I don't like to go off-topic room, but I am well known around here
[02:24] <bugzbunny> I like to read about your system
[02:24] <bugzbunny> It's #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:24] <funky> bugzbunny,  My p9x79 is pretty good but I do a lot of video editing and it's slowing down
[02:24] <bugzbunny> Hit me on off-topic
[02:25] <bugzbunny> You don't need to go if you want to
[02:25] <bugzbunny> If you don't want I guess we can stay here 'till op complains
[02:25] <funky> ok now all I have to do is figure out how to get there since this is the first time I have been in here
[02:26] <bugzbunny> funky: type /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:26] <bugzbunny> You IRC client should support that
[02:26] <bugzbunny> That is "/join #ubuntu-offtopic"
[02:27] <funky> oops I'll try again
[02:27] <bugzbunny> If you have trouble, don't need to waste your time
[02:28] <fartface> I'm having an issue I haven't ran into before, haha.  So I install Ubuntu onto a spare machine I've got that has a BCM4360 WiFi card in it.  I'm able to get the card working, in that it can see networks, but it doesn't see _my_ network.
[02:29] <fartface> I'm guessing this is a driver issue, but I'm using the recommended driver, which is strange.
[02:29] <funky> bugzbunny, says it's unavailable
[02:29] <tripelb> so I asked about admin account. if i remove iy will the other users gain su_perpowers?
[02:29] <bugzbunny> What IRC client are you using?
[02:30] <funky> hexchat
[02:30] <bugzbunny> fartface: The dreaded BCM* cards
[02:30] <fartface> Oh so this is a known thing, eh?
[02:30] <tripelb> funky it will worknin hexchat
[02:30] <bugzbunny> funky: I don't have hexchat but I've used it before, look for Join a room
[02:30] <tripelb> just donit
[02:31] <tripelb>    /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:31] <bugzbunny> fartface: The company behind BCM* cards never release open source cards
[02:31] <tripelb> starting in colnone
[02:31] <tripelb> column one
[02:31] <bugzbunny> fartface: But the Reverse engineer works for the most part...
[02:31] <bugzbunny> Uh, there is dedicated wireless website
[02:31] <funky> hmm can't see anything other than freenode
[02:32] <fartface> bugzbunny: The reverse engineer?
[02:32] <tripelb> funy it in inside of freenode. where you type in here type that string
[02:32] <tripelb> funky
[02:32] <bugzbunny> Yes, to make it work in Linux
[02:32] <tripelb> funky just do it and it will happen.
[02:33] <funky> tripelb, yes
[02:33] <bugzbunny> But you card could work but needs some extra work
[02:33] <tripelb> i am in that channel too
[02:33] <bugzbunny> funky: freenode is the network you are on
[02:34] <bugzbunny> funky: join a room on Freenode, you are already on Freenode, this #ubuntu
[02:34] <funky> bugzbunny, this is all french to me  LOL
[02:34] <bugzbunny> Yeah, let me look it up
[02:34] <fartface> bugzbunny: Ah.  Not working for me, but your explanation makes sense.  Given I've got another adapter, I'll just burn this one in a fire lol!
[02:35] <bugzbunny> Realtek, is another company but is better supported out of the box
[02:35] <bugzbunny> Realtek have been around fro a VERY long time
[02:36] <bugzbunny> New Broadcom Wireless I read in 2016 is getting better
[02:36] <funky> this is what I typed in  /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:36] <bugzbunny> So don't totally give on them
[02:36] <bugzbunny> funky: When you add a space before /
[02:36] <bugzbunny> It negates the command
[02:37] <funky> no space
[02:37] <tripelb> funky it must start in column one
[02:37] <tripelb> do uparrow funky
[02:37] <tripelb> then check there is no space before the slash
[02:37] <lagosta> Hello, Does anyone had problems with displaying video with a display port
[02:37] <lagosta> ?
[02:39] <funky>  I know / works because I can change my nic
[02:39] <funky>  /nick
[02:39] <tripelb> right .. did you do upartow?
[02:39] <tripelb> uparrow
[02:40] <tripelb> i het fooled sometime and havr that leading space
[02:40] <fartface> This card is from 2017, so they're not doing too well haha.  I'm familiar with Realtek as well.  I have some adapters and some Intel chipsets laying around, that'll likely work best I would think.  Just never ran into such a strange problem of _most_ networks showing up but mine not.
[02:40] <fartface> Actually I know exactly why it wasn't...
[02:40] <fartface> Cause I disabled 2.4G
[02:41] <tripelb> -/join #ubuntu-offtopic WILL work.
[02:41] <funky> yes tried up arrow and nothing
[02:41] <fartface> And the open source drivers likely don't support all features of the card
[02:41] <tripelb> ok then type it again
[02:41] <bugzbunny> Hexchat doesn't support /join
[02:41] <dax> yes, it does.
[02:42] <funky> same
[02:42] <leaftype> bugzbunny, I literally just joined this using that command
[02:42] <bugzbunny> lagosta: Display Port? that's vague, what GPU do you have
[02:42] <tripelb> t did you type it again funky?  i use hexchat every day
[02:42] <funky> I tried it and I got a  #unavailable
[02:42] <bugzbunny> No, I mean, I have come IRC clients that do now what to do with /join
[02:42] <lagosta> I`m using a RX 480
[02:43] <bugzbunny> s/now/not/
[02:43] <bugzbunny> lagosta: What problems are you having exactly?
[02:43] <funky> s/now/hot/
[02:43] <bugzbunny> heh
[02:43] <tripelb> }sorry that IS how you join a channel on everything look for a typo
[02:43] <funky> I'm soooo confused  LOL
[02:43] <lagosta> It doesnt detect the monitor that`s connected with the Display port
[02:44] <lagosta> I  tried to install the new driver, amdgpu-pro but for the past 2 days I couldnt make it work.
[02:44] <bugzbunny> 'xrandr', pastebin, is the display connected, also, can pastebin 'dmesg'
[02:44] <tripelb> funky then try typing /join #freenode  that is the help.channel
[02:45] <bugzbunny> Type 'dmesg', then copy and pastebin
[02:45] <bugzbunny> !pastebin
[02:45] <tripelb> it may be that you dont have a registered nick? bugzbunny could that be?
[02:46] <lagosta> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pxr6GHMThY/ -> xrandr
[02:46] <bugzbunny> I need dmesg too
[02:47] <lagosta> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VqZyt3gFsH/ -> dmesg
[02:47] <bugzbunny> lagosta: Has it ever work?
[02:47] <lagosta> from display port? I never had tried to make it work
[02:47] <funky> no It's not registered
[02:47] <lagosta> It works at windows
[02:48] <tripelb> funky sorry, it does work. you get better advice when you say what you did. and not Inuse yoir username every time I address you.. that is a custom that works. good luck. i am over on this qiestion.
[02:48] <bugzbunny> lagosta: You never TRIED
[02:48] <bugzbunny> in Linux, is that correct?
[02:48] <lagosta> yup
[02:49] <bugzbunny> Let me look at you dmesg to see you loaded amdgpu and detect your display ports
[02:52] <bugzbunny> You have two Display Ports and 2 HDMI and One DVI
[02:52] <bugzbunny> So the problem is not Kernel
[02:52] <bugzbunny> Can you 'echo $DESKTOP_SESSION'
[02:53] <tripelb> funky i asked in #ubuntu-offtopic and ... i was right. it requires a nickserv login to join. look up how to do it. good luck.
[02:53] <dax> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[02:55] <Shadowmm> CPU Speed: 3.50 GHz
[02:55] <funky> thanks tripelb I was just there too just now
[02:57] <lagosta> it saus ubuntu
[02:57] <lagosta> says*
[02:58] <lagosta> and yes, I've 2 hdmi, 2 displays and one DVI... the only one working is the HDMI.... but I'm clueless about how to make the Display port to work.
[03:00] <lagosta> @bugzbunny I notice this line ` [   19.060330] amdgpu: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -22` any idea what that means?
[03:02] <bugzbunny> lagosta: that doesn't mean anything you [drm] detect all your devices
[03:02] <bugzbunny> What DE are you using? Unity?
[03:02] <lagosta> yup, I'm with a fresh install... All I did was adding the padoka ppa to upadte VESA
[03:03] <bugzbunny> lagosta: You said it never work
[03:03] <lagosta> Yeah... it's the first time I'm try to accomplish it in any Linux platform
[03:04] <lagosta> but for the past 2 days I'm trying to make it work, but failing miserably :P
[03:04] <bugzbunny> Well, only thing that Xorg failed at detection
[03:04] <bugzbunny> That is Unlikely, since I know how they work at improving very old code
[03:05] <bugzbunny> I think more likely the cable
[03:05] <lagosta> but it works at Windows
[03:05] <bugzbunny> Xorg might be more senstive, you can't compare both
[03:05] <bugzbunny> They have different ways to attack a problem
[03:06] <bugzbunny> What I see is that amdgpu driver works
[03:06] <bugzbunny> It might be xorg for some reason is not seeing it
[03:06] <bugzbunny> Try unplug and plug in, any change?
[03:06] <bugzbunny> If not
[03:07] <lagosta> I'll try it now
[03:07] <lagosta> nup, not a change
[03:08] <bugzbunny> I have RX480 btw
[03:08] <lagosta> and works fine?
[03:08] <bugzbunny> Yup
[03:08] <lagosta> with Display port?
[03:08] <bugzbunny> Yup
[03:08] <lagosta> are u using the amdgpu-pro?
[03:08] <bugzbunny> No
[03:09] <lagosta> the default one?
[03:09] <bugzbunny> Different kernel versions
[03:09] <lagosta> which one is yours?
[03:09] <bugzbunny> XFX
[03:09] <bugzbunny> I think the problem is that Xorg for some reason is not seeing
[03:09] <bugzbunny> But that's out of ordinrary
[03:09] <lagosta> I'll try install a new kernel
[03:10] <bugzbunny> not out of the ordinrary
[03:10] <lagosta> maybe is some bug they have already fixed.
[03:10] <bugzbunny> That might a freedesktop issue
[03:10] <bugzbunny> I have problems with voltage
[03:10] <lagosta> at the dmseg it stated voltage problems
[03:10] <bugzbunny> So it's not out of oridinary, but there is a sensor on those ports
[03:11] <bugzbunny> Can you try different ports
[03:11] <bugzbunny> Because you might have a bad port
[03:11] <bugzbunny> Can try the other one
[03:11] <lagosta> you mean the display connector? sure.
[03:11] <bugzbunny> Right
[03:11] <lagosta> nah
[03:11] <smrtz> Hey!  I've been trying to reverse the horizontal scrolling direction on my mouse for a while, but I can't figure it out, has anyone here done that?
[03:12] <bugzbunny> But you saying it works in Windows is not going to help developers fix the problem
[03:12] <lagosta> =/
[03:12] <lagosta> there's any way to get more info about the issue?
[03:12] <bugzbunny> lagosta: Do you want to help other people who might have similar problems?
[03:12] <bugzbunny> Then it's going take a bit more work
[03:13] <lagosta> sure.
[03:14] <bugzbunny> Open a bug report on Ubuntu, say what you told me... xrandr is not sensing the display.. Do you have display on other ports?
[03:14] <bugzbunny> Report that DVI and HDMI works but Display Port doesn't work
[03:14] <bugzbunny> That's very useful
[03:14] <lagosta> I'll try each prot
[03:14] <lagosta> port*
[03:16] <dwago> Does anyone here use gnome-maps. Just curious. Dosnt work for me. displays no map at all.
[03:16] <dwago> ?
[03:16] <tripelb> funky: you are welcome
[03:16] <funky> well I'm on my way to registering my nick truns out it's been used by someone for 15 years but they haven't used it for a few years now
[03:16] <bugzbunny> lagosta: One thing I noticed with RX480
[03:17] <dwago> Or can anyone just confirm for me if gnome maps works for them?
[03:17] <bugzbunny> lagosta: When I uplug, what is not my primary monitor, meaning what BIOS choses is that monitor
[03:17] <bugzbunny> lagosta: So when uplug the monitor and plug back in
[03:17] <bugzbunny> lagosta: Xorg won't recongize
[03:18] <bugzbunny> I have noticed that very often in Linuz
[03:18] <lagosta> oh... so I need to restart?
[03:18] <bugzbunny> Windows 10, no
[03:18] <bugzbunny> lagosta: I just saying I noticed that a lot
[03:18] <bugzbunny> Let me uplug my DisplayPort
[03:19] <bugzbunny> It recovered here
[03:19] <bugzbunny> In fact, Xorg didn't even notice that display was disconnected
[03:19] <lagosta> oh
[03:20] <bugzbunny> In windows 10, when display disconnected, it put all the stuff in primary screen
[03:20] <lagosta> might be something weird going at the display port management?
[03:20] <Bashing-om> funky: Still a struggle to understand your disk usage ?
[03:20] <lagosta> ya it does...
[03:20] <bugzbunny> But for sure, if I don't boot with the second screen connected I have hard
[03:20] <bugzbunny> time
[03:20] <lagosta> Thanks for the warning.
[03:21] <lagosta> Ill restart and test the other ports
[03:21] <lagosta> to see if it detects it.
[03:21] <lagosta> Thanks for all the help bugsbunny
[03:22] <funky> Bashing-om, no I'm good now that's a million I just have to delete some stuff. but I'll have to find out where that backup program is running
[03:23] <Bashing-om> funky: 'top' will display all instances of what is active .
[03:26] <funky> Bashing-om, thanks I'll check that out once I'm done registering my nick
[03:35] <lagosta> bugzbunny I Found out, meanwhile testing the other ports... If I boot with only the Display Port connect, and after logged I connect the DVI port It does works both monitors
[03:36] <lagosta> do you ever had or have seen a similar problem?
[03:36] <bugzbunny> I am reading
[03:37] <bugzbunny> So you boot just with DisplayPort, you fulfill a how system boot?
[03:37] <bugzbunny> s/how/awhole/
[03:38] <lagosta> "how system boot" didn`t understand. you mean.... accomplish my goal?
[03:38] <bugzbunny> I mean, the system completely boot to a desktop
[03:38] <lagosta> yup
[03:39] <lagosta> It works normaly, it does have some noise meanwhile it loads the login screen
[03:39] <bugzbunny> So, with just a DisplayPort, it boots to a completely to a desktop?
[03:39] <lagosta> Yup. It does.
[03:39] <bugzbunny> That's information
[03:40] <bugzbunny> Alright, with just the DisplayPort connected, did you try to connect other monitors?
[03:40] <lagosta> so... to have both screen working... I would've to disconect the DVI. boot with Display Port only, then after logged in I would connect the DVI and it would work just fine.
[03:40] <_4p0l> hi any patch for that ubuntu 0-day?
[03:40] <bugzbunny> Let's narrow the down the problem
[03:41] <bugzbunny> lagosta: So you booted with the DisplayPort? right
[03:41] <lagosta> yes
[03:41] <bugzbunny> lagosta: And you have another monitor a DVI port?
[03:41] <lagosta> yes
[03:42] <bugzbunny> So, it's boot problem, add this stuff to report
[03:42] <lagosta> I tried this, because a friend of mine had this problem at his notebook... but it was with the hdmi port.
[03:42] <bugzbunny> I had these problems too, but I never reported, I just accepted it, and know what I want
[03:43] <bugzbunny> Once you report the bug, give me the bug number
[03:43] <lagosta> I never filled a report, how I should do it?
[03:47] <bugzbunny> Looks like Ubuntu one is down
[03:47] <Bashing-om> !bug | lagosta
[03:50] <bugzbunny> lagosta: ubuntu-bug xorg
[03:50] <bugzbunny> That's where it should go
[03:50] <bugzbunny> Bashing-om: Can you log into Ubuntu One
[03:51] <secondip> a friend provides me with internet connection via a network cable that runs from his house to mine. i got myself a router and connected that network cable to my router and created a subnet and a wireless network called WIFI. The thing is that i forgot the ip of my wireless router and now can not access it with a web browser to change some settings? How can i find out the ip of wireless router?
[03:51] <Bashing-om> bugzbunny: Lemme see .
[03:51] <bugzbunny> Just fixed it
[03:52] <bugzbunny> I was getting 503
[03:52] <bugzbunny> and 501
[03:52] <Bashing-om> bugzbunny: K; As I had no problem .
[03:53] <bugzbunny> secondip: Created a Submet?
[03:53] <bugzbunny> Why would you do that?
[03:53] <bugzbunny> Just the same subnet
[03:54] <bugzbunny> Why create a new subnet that introduce a new cans of worms
[03:55] <bugzbunny> Bashing-om: Did think I so those errors, I have squid proxy in between http clients
[04:00] <lagosta> bugzbunny, do you still have the links of the paste bin? I kinda lost it with the restarts
[04:00] <bugzbunny> !pastebin
[04:00] <lagosta> the ones I send to you
[04:00] <lagosta> It prob is at the history
[04:00] <bugzbunny> Did you send me links?
[04:00] <bugzbunny> When did you do that?
[04:00] <lagosta> ya the xrandr and dmesg
[04:01] <bugzbunny> Oh, that, I saw that, was there suppose be new information?
[04:01] <lagosta> Since they collect the information with the both screens working... I think would be usefull send then when it's not working
[04:02] <bugzbunny> I asked for a bug report number
[04:02] <bugzbunny> Have you done that?
[04:02] <lagosta> 1756783
[04:02] <bugzbunny> You said sure you want to support people with the same place
[04:05] <bugzbunny> lagosta: Nice
[04:06] <lagosta> thanks for the help
[04:07] <bugzbunny> I commented
[04:09] <lagosta> answerd
[04:09] <bugzbunny> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1756783
[04:12] <dwago> Does gnome maps work for anyone here?
[04:17] <funky> bugzbunny, WAHOOOO I'm registered with freenode  that only took two hours
[04:21] <dwago> funky: funky has NOT COMPLETED registration verification
[04:22] <bugzbunny> funky: You figured it out?
[04:22] <dwago> "/msg nickserv info funky"
[04:23] <funky> ackkkk
[04:24] <codebot_> hi.
[04:24] <codebot_> i want to run adobe reader's read out aloud option. but im unable to do that.
[04:25] <codebot_> in ubuntu. i tried getting the tts engine festival but still it isnt working.
[04:27] <funky> ok I got it this time  :0)
[04:28] <bugzbunny> awersome
[04:28] <bugzbunny> That experience of you learning how to register with nickserv
[04:28] <bugzbunny> It must be hard huh
[04:29] <funky> finally
[04:29] <funky> Now I have to try not to forget everthing
[04:30] <EriC^^> cool nick
[04:30] <funky> I think I have elzimers
[04:31] <bugzbunny> New stuff might make you feel that way
[04:31] <bugzbunny> But it's not
[04:32] <bugzbunny> funky: Learn the IRC client that you using
[04:32] <bugzbunny> You said hexchat
[04:32] <funky> yes
[04:32] <bugzbunny> Learn it, it will make it easier for you
[04:33] <funky> hexchat has nothing on it other than the chat page. No info no help nothing
[04:34] <funky> I'm at offtopic right now
[04:34] <bugzbunny> Learn how to use the tool
[04:35] <dwago> "/help"
[04:35] <bugzbunny> I know, Hexchat, in open source
[04:36] <bugzbunny> There is no straightforward as helping understanding the tools
[04:36] <bugzbunny> I would say, that Microsoft is better but just as worst.. I will say open source is even worst
[04:36] <funky> but there is no customization or anything else on hexchat should I just change to another one
[04:37] <funky> I don't use
[04:37] <bugzbunny> hexchat, once you know how to use it properly
[04:37] <funky> windoze  ever
[04:37] <bugzbunny> You might like it
[04:38] <bugzbunny> I support Micrsoft, I don't like the negavity, I think people have opinion about close source just to have openion against close source
[04:38] <funky> It took me two hours to just register  LOL  I could be into it for a few years  LOL
[04:38] <Goop> How do you configure and enable remote desktop from command line (specifically from SSH) in Ubuntu Desktop 16.04?
[04:39] <funky> sorry I just got tired of the three big boys snooping on everthing you do.
[04:39] <bugzbunny> funky: Same when I first started
[04:40] <bugzbunny> imaging me
[04:40] <EriC^^> Goop: type sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config  and see if X11Forwarding is set to yes
[04:43] <funky> problem is that I'm 65 and learning is very hard and slow for me. some people are 65 and do well not so for me.
[04:43] <funky> Thank you for your patients
[04:45] <Goop> funky, did you need help with something? I may have joined the channel after you asked your question.
[04:46] <funky> me and bugzbunny were talking about mainboards and compatibility
[04:46] <bugzbunny> Goop: I've been working with him for awhile
[04:46] <bunnyman> hello all
[04:46] <funky> we deciced to go to another room  then the fun began  LOL
[04:46] <bugzbunny> Goop: He is learning
[04:46] <bunnyman> *hello world
[04:47] <bugzbunny> Goop: FYI, /join #ubuntu-offtopic is not working
[04:48] <funky> I can build a computer from scratch and used to help in computerhope for a year or so but things are getting foggy for me lately
[04:48] <bugzbunny> Goop: Some one from #ubuntu-offtopic said you need to register a nickserv account
[04:48] <bugzbunny> Goop: He finally figure that out
[04:48] <funky> I have all that fixed now
[04:48] <funky> I'm in there right now
[04:49] <bugzbunny> funky: I had your back on that one
[04:49] <funky> I don't think I was at fault really
[04:49] <bugzbunny> I think that was out of line
[04:49] <funky> I typed everthing in the same about five times then walla it finally worked
[04:50] <funky> said my email was wrong  duhh   I've had it since 1995
[04:50] <funky> anyways water under that bridge
[04:51] <funky> I'm up and running  WAHOOO
[04:51] <funky> got a funky name too boot
[05:20] <Goop> I really don't like how they switch around stuff in Ubuntu 17 and 18. Is it possible to revert my applications back to having the close/minimize/maximize on the top left?
[05:23] <Cyber_Akuma> Does Ubuntu support exFat without having to install anything extra in the latest versions?
[05:27] <doge-doge> would it be easier to just reinstall ubuntu mate on an ssd versus trying to migrate the data resizing the partition?
[05:27] <doge-doge> it's a luks partition as well, complicating things
[05:28] <codebot_> i have an issue with adobe reader in ubuntu. i am trying to run read out aloud in it, but its not working. i got the tts engine festival, still nothing
[05:56] <netham46> I've got an ubuntu server in a VM, is there any way I can install Gnome and run GDM in a 'headless' mode where I can connect to it using XDMCP?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> netham46: perhaps the #ubuntu-server channel might know that one
[06:04] <barry_> hello
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> barry_: welcome, how can we help you?
[06:05] <barry_> Hi, I have a DNS problem with 16.04
[06:05] <barry_> am i in the right place??
[06:05] <doge-doge> what's the problem
[06:07] <barry_> fresh new install of 16.04.04.  desktop.    Network settings for DNS servers shows 127.01.01
[06:07] <barry_> Putting in local router 192.168.1.1  or any other DNS works until reboot
[06:07] <barry_> then it reverts back to just localhost
[06:08] <barry_> I coomented out DNSMasq in resolv.conf and put in dns=default bu no joy
[06:08] <guiverc> barry_, if it says 127.01.01 - that's an invalid address (one octet too few) or is that a typo?
[06:08] <barry_> typo.  127.0.0.1
[06:09] <guiverc> :)
[06:09] <barry_> also, 32bit if that makes diff
[06:12] <guiverc> are you using static IP (change to /etc/network/interfaces or other? if so you can add nameservers to this file) or defined in network.manager? or dhcp provided address/nameserver?
[06:13] <barry_> trying DHCP for the moment.  Goal is static IP for PiHole
[06:14] <barry_> dhcp doesnt' work.  It gets an addrss, but can't reslove names
[06:14] <guiverc> (if using dhcp - it should get nameservers/dns at same time as ip - sorry gotta step away)
[06:15] <barry_> thanks G!
[06:18] <barry_> I'm wrong. resolv.conf not changed,  NetworkManager.conf changed:  #dnsmasq  & dns=default
[06:21] <arnsoft> arnsoft
[06:21] <ShriHari> UBUNTU
[07:07] <descuidado> can someone help me out? i just installed ubuntu 17.10 but my monitor is not being recognized
[07:13] <guiverc> barry_, sorry was away ages; if you go to network.connections  (this is via network manager; go thru menu or click network/wireless icon on desktop if you see it) - do you see your connection?
[07:18] <Lornzz> heya, sorry for the newb question but I am bit lost: Is there a way to still get a older version of a package published by a PPA if apt-cache info <pkgname> doesn't show the specific version which I'm interested in anymore?
[07:18] <ikonia> Lornzz: you can pin the package to a specific version if it's still in the repo
[07:19] <fiko> hello there?
[07:20] <miker_> Hi
[07:22] <Lornzz> hmm I don't think that helps there. To be more specific, I use Ondřej Surý's PPA for PHP 7.1 packages. I want to add a single package for a php extension (bcmath) to my current installation with upgrading PHP. All my php-related packages are using v7.1.5, but the PPA only offers php packages with 7.1.15 nowadays (at least thats what apt-cache info php7.1-bcmath shows me) and therefore installing the 7.1.5 version fai
[07:22] <Lornzz> ls / is not possible with via apt-get. When I open the PPA in the browser, I can still see mentions of the package and "my" php version. Is there a way to download the old package manually from the PPA website and install it with dpkg?
[07:23] <Lornzz> Here's the PPA website page where the package I want is still referenced: https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php/+build/12621294 (pkg name: php7.1-bcmath-7.1.5-1+deb.sury.org~xenial+2 )
[07:24] <Lornzz> but apt-cache policy php7.1-bcmath only returns the candidate 7.1.15-1+ubuntu16.04.1+deb.sury.org+2 500
[07:35] <sere> is ~.cache needed if im just backing up ~
[07:36] <kontol> hai
[07:36] <kontol> asw
[07:36] <EriC^^> sere: not really
[07:36] <kontol> hai
[07:36] <EriC^^> hi
[07:36] <kontol> iam from india
[07:36] <EriC^^> welcome
[07:37] <kontol> where do you from
[07:37] <kontol> hai
[07:37] <EriC^^> kontol: this is the support channel for ubuntu, for chatting type /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:38] <sere> EriC^^: ok thanks
[08:27] <ubvmb> Hi! Is there any "offtopic" room for people?
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> !ot | ubvmb
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> ubottu: for ubuntu discussions we also have #ubuntu-discuss
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> ubvmb: ^
[08:35] <ubvmb> !guidelines
[08:36] <starfalls> Hi everybody
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> starfalls: welcome, how can we help you?
[08:36] <starfalls> I want to make sound whenever I click something
[08:36] <starfalls> like closing , minmizing
[08:37] <starfalls> I feel very silence I can't hear a thing
[08:37] <starfalls> where should I check in setting
[08:37] <starfalls> is that possible ?
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> starfalls: https://askubuntu.com/questions/153316/how-to-make-a-sound-effect-play-whenever-i-click
[08:38] <starfalls> All I hear from Linux is when download complete :D
[08:38] <starfalls> thanks buddy
[08:39] <starfalls> so that means there is no default program for this ?
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> starfalls: first time i hear this question, so ill look around a bit
[08:40] <starfalls> thank buddy
[08:42] <Guest56067> hi
[08:45] <azizLIGHT> can someone recommend a utility to show some texts on my screen (generated from script) always on top
[08:46] <azizLIGHT> *text messages
[08:46] <azizLIGHT> not SMS, just text
[08:47] <ozberk> good morning from Middle East and Europe (best part of living in Turkey)
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> starfalls: cant find anything decent sorry
[08:48] <starfalls> It's okay . Thank you very much
[08:52] <ozberk> guys I have an issue I recently installed GTX950M drivers on Ubuntu 17.10 yet there was a screen tearing issue. So from PRIME settings I just switch it back to the Intel Graphichs 650
[08:52] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: notify-send
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> ozberk: on xorg or wayland?
[08:52] <ozberk> Now Nvdia controll pannes doesn't even startup because it doesn't find any nvdia graphichs card on the system
[08:52] <ozberk> lotuspsychje: as far as I know this is wayland
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> ozberk: wayland and nvidia are a no go mate
[08:53] <ozberk> for correction it is panel not pannes
[08:53] <ozberk> lotuspsychje: so how can I switch to the xorg
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> ozberk: try logout and login to xorg, then try nvidia or nouveau driver
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> ozberk: you can choose the option at gdm login, gear icon
[08:54] <ozberk> lotuspsychje: will I have any performance loss I wanna try steam games aswell
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> ozberk: try wich layout is best for your system
[08:55] <ozberk> ok let me give a shot
[08:55] <ozberk> I'l brb
[08:55] <jink> Can I see what source is used for a package?  I use apt-cache show, but that doesn't seem to list the repository.
[08:55] <EriC^^> jink: apt-cache policy <package>
[08:56] <jink> Thanks.
[08:56] <starfalls> NAMES
[08:58] <starfalls> how can I mention specific name in public chat  ?
[08:58] <sveinse> The gnome display selector (Super+P) is completely unusable for me on 17.10. I'm spending 10 minutes every day trying to tweak and find settings which works that the display selector doesn't take over. Where should these issues be reported?
[08:59] <guiverc> azizLIGHT, maybe zenity/dialog (a bash call to display gtk+ message box); using wmctrl et.al to force it to top of workspace/screen maybe - rough idea only
[09:00] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^: i need constant display, not notifications sent ad hoc
[09:00] <azizLIGHT> it will be a countdown timer
[09:00] <EriC^^> starfalls: type the first few letters of it then press tab
[09:00] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: i think you can set the notify-send to show infinitely
[09:01] <starfalls> :D
[09:01] <starfalls> I m trying
[09:02] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: seems like ubuntu ignores the -t parameter
[09:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[09:05] <barry__> good morning.   anybody have time to help me figure out a DNS problem?
[09:06] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^: back inthe day there used to be conky. i wonder if i can use that
[09:06] <azizLIGHT> guiverc: interesting, that could work for me. ill check it out
[09:07] <ozberk> lotuspsychje: back again and have some bad new. Ubuntu on xorg is now a nogo. It just freezes and
[09:08] <ozberk> I had to force restart my pc over two time
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> ozberk: on wich driver was that
[09:08] <ozberk> I suppose nvdia driver
[09:09] <ozberk> yes it is nvdia binary driver
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ozberk: try nouveau on xorg
[09:32] <jurgentje> Hi, I've been having an issue lately with a lot of gnome/ubuntu apps that won't launch anymore. I'm thinking it has something to do with both python 2 and 3 being installed, but I can's seem to figure out how to fix it. A bunch of tools I'm trying to launch (e.g. gnome-tweak-tool) won't run and they will shoot me an error message in the genre of this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dRXGWdHHSz/
[09:32] <jurgentje> Anyone who can suggest me a way out?
[09:36] <ducasse> jurgentje: seems to be because of python modules installed under your homedir clashing with the system python
[09:37] <tama> woy
[09:37] <tama> woy
[09:38] <tama> ada orang ngak
[09:38] <tama> diam diam baik
[09:38] <tama> ada orang kagak
[09:38] <ducasse> tama: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[09:39] <tama> fuck yoou
[09:39] <tama> no
[09:39] <ducasse> that's not very nice
[09:39] <tama> quit
[09:42] <superguest> what are dummy packages for?
[09:42] <XXCoder> something to do wth dependentacy stuff
[09:42] <superguest> e.g. 'libc6-armel-armhf-cross - Dummy package to get libc6:armel installed'?
[09:42] <XXCoder> ?
[09:43] <funky> good morning/Night
[09:48] <ozberk> hi people what is the best source for some gnome themes
[09:50] <ducasse> !themes
[09:53] <guiverc> ozberk, to read about 'new' themes; maybe also look at https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?s=themes
[09:58] <hsoshipeng> 1
[10:01] <tester> i'm trying to boot ubuntu from raw disk in virtualbox. get the boot menu, i select Ubuntu, it says init ramdisk and then it's stuck on flashing underscore for minutes.
[10:01] <tester> am i missing anything?
[10:01] <tester> the disk is connected with usb 2.0, but it worked pretty fast in the past with similar ports elsewhere
[10:02] <tester> also the led on the disk shows no activity
[10:02] <hsoshipeng> what is it?
[10:02] <tester> what is what
[10:04] <hsoshipeng>  just started to learn Linux. I don't know what this software is
[10:05] <akik> hsoshipeng: you started an irc client that connected you to the freenode irc network, #ubuntu channel
[10:05] <tester> lol akik
[10:05] <akik> isn't that what he was asking?
[10:05] <lupulo> hsoshipeng, you should read Stallman about free licenses.
[10:06] <pagios> hello, i am looking to provide a web solution where users can register with an account and then login to customize using graphical widgets a single page for their own website. The tools need to be drag and drop, buttons, scrollbars for colors etc. So that users can upload their own logo, write their own text, choose the lauout etc. Something very basic maybe like Wix.com. Is there something like an opensource project i can
[10:06] <pagios> rely upon to build my solution instead of reinventing the wheel from scratch ? Thank you for your time and suggestions
[10:06] <jane_booty_doe> akik, i think he was curious about tester's question
[10:06] <guiverc> hsoshipeng, if you have problems, this is the place to come to seek help (a ubunt support channel)
[10:06] <tester> pagios this isn't the right place to ask. look at composer, packagist, laravel, wordpress, drupal
[10:06] <guiverc> :s/ubunt/ubuntu - sorry my typo/mistake
[10:07] <akik> tester: you could boot a live session in virtualbox, and remove "quiet splash" from grub settings so you see what is happening
[10:07] <tester> akik how? i've been trying everything i could find.
[10:07] <hsoshipeng> where are you from?
[10:07] <jane_booty_doe> pagios, meteor.js
[10:07] <akik> tester: add the ubuntu iso as a media in a cd/dvd drive
[10:08] <tester> akik but i want to boot the ubuntu that's on the mobile disk?
[10:08] <akik> tester: you can do this in virtualbox
[10:08] <pagios> ?
[10:08] <tester> akik i lost you. that's what i'm trying to do...
[10:08] <guiverc> hsoshipeng, personal questions are not welcome here, use another channel like #ubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-discuss for non-support questions please.
[10:09] <akik> tester: if you can't see what's happening, it's probably because you have quiet splash in grub settings
[10:09] <tester> akik how do i disable that then? i've mounted the raw disk with a vmdk, using some howto on google
[10:10] <tester> for some reason, i know that i have to boot without uefi
[10:10] <tester> otherwise only the windows setup on that disk (dual boot) will take place
[10:10] <tester> without uefi, grub asks what to boot
[10:10] <akik> tester: the config is in boot/grub/grub.cfg. you can edit it directly as a temporary solution
[10:11] <tester> akik i lost you again. how can i mess with that without booting naything first
[10:11] <Ebola> Hellow guys
[10:11] <akik> tester: you can change the vmdk config if you have mounted it. everything is a file
[10:11] <cesurasean> how do i solve this missing file? fatal error: cannot open file '/usr/lib/clc/gfx900-amdgcn-mesa-mesa3d.bc': No such file or directory
[10:12] <akik> tester: do you see the boot directory?
[10:12] <Ebola> If you  ignores me i willspam chat over 9999999 words You ready for this?????
[10:12] <tester> akik you're moving forward and i'm not even catching up. i have the vmdk, i mounted it in vbox. everything i described earlier is when i try to boot from it.
[10:12] <tester> so it "works", but ubuntu wont load. you suggested to mess with grub's config. i asked how.
[10:12] <Ebola> Sex beast hy
[10:13] <Guest65585> fuck u udot
[10:13] <akik> tester: do you get the grub menu when you boot it?
[10:13] <Ebola> f
[10:13] <Ebola> u
[10:13] <Ebola> c
[10:13] <Ebola> k
[10:13] <Ebola> y
[10:13] <akik> :)
[10:13] <akik> tester: press left shift when booting the virtualbox vm
[10:13] <tester> akik yes. I select Ubuntu (or every ubuntu recovery), and then the screen hangs on flashing underscore without disk activity,.
[10:13] <akik> tester: you can press "e" in the grub menu to edit the kernel parameters for that boot
[10:13] <Kon-> He would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling adults.
[10:13] <tester> one moment.
[10:14] <rosco_y> How change ownership of my mounted drive partitions from root to myself (ross)
[10:14] <Ebola> s
[10:14] <Guest65585> so i m from russia thats why fuck ur moms pindoses
[10:14] <Ebola> I back again like a LIch KIng hahaha
[10:14] <akik> !ops | Ebola
[10:14] <Guest65585> u like ur sister
[10:15] <tester> akik okay, i have the edit window
[10:15] <akik> tester: there you can scroll with cursors and find the line starting with linux
[10:15] <Ebola> ! ops  | akik
[10:15] <akik> :)
[10:15] <Guest65585> she always backs whrn she has chance to suck my penis
[10:15] <akik> tester: remove the strings quiet and splash, then press ctrl+x or f10
[10:15] <tester> akik one second.
[10:15] <Ebola> !ops  | Guest65585
[10:16] <Guest65585> ktyuk
[10:16] <Kon-> He even reported himself. Case closed.
[10:16] <tester> akik done that. waiting for it to load or hang
[10:16] <Ebola> ! report Guest65585
[10:16] <Ebola> iTS TIME TO STOP
[10:16] <Ebola> THIS
[10:17] <tester> akik it weirldy works now.
[10:17] <Ebola> we wait so long that i can wait anymore
[10:17] <Ebola> we most to start a revolution
[10:17] <akik> tester: it boots up to login manager?
[10:17] <Guest65585> r
[10:17] <Ebola> its start here
[10:18] <azizLIGHT> O_O
[10:18] <rosco_y> how can I open up the disk management utility as root?
[10:19] <tester> akik why would it not work with quiet splash, but work without it?
[10:19] <akik> tester: maybe it was just slow boot?
[10:20] <akik> tester: it should affect the boot whether those parameters are there or not
[10:20] <tester> akik i waited liek 10 minutes earlier. it booted within less than 1 now
[10:20] <akik> should not affect
[10:20] <akik> weird
[10:20] <tester> well as long as it works now..
[10:20] <tester> thanks!
[10:20] <akik> tester: you should edit /etc/default/grub now and change it there too, then run sudo update-grub
[10:22] <tester> done
[10:32] <akik> tester: you can also add this to /etc/default/grub "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" to see the biggest amount of kernel information (it scrolls by very fast)
[10:36] <Dbugger> Hi everyone
[10:36] <Dbugger> I have an issue: The dropbox folder does not seem to be uploading anything to the cloud. It doesnt even show the small indicators on the folder icons.
[10:37] <Dbugger> I fear that happened after upgrading to 17.10. Does anyone have a clue why could this be?
[10:44] <cart_man> How can I make a new user fot FTP purposes that only has a user name and password but no HOME dir etc?
[10:56] <akik> cart_man: you can create a chrooted sftp account for that. openssh has a built-in "internal-sftp" that you can use
[10:58] <akik> cart_man: here's an example config for /etc/ssh/sshd_config: https://pastebin.com/raw/96F5e1kn
[10:58] <geirha> Dbugger: when you upgrade ubuntu to a new release, all non-official repositories are disabled. You probably need to re-add it
[10:58] <geirha> IIRC, the deb you download from dropbox' site adds the relevant sources.list entry for you, so that's probably the easiest approach
[10:59] <akik> cart_man: create a new group sftpusers and add the users that need to use this into that group
[10:59] <Dbugger> geirha, I will try that. BEcuase it is weird, with the headless daemon it seems to work
[11:00] <Dbugger> geirha, but I am not installing it from a repo, but using directly the DEB from their website
[11:01] <ccha> hello I have an OUT OF DISK SPACE when I run apt update. But there are more than 7Gb free for /var and 3% inode use
[11:02] <ccha> I don't understand why I got the OUT OF DISK SPACE
[11:02] <rosco_y> ccha: that is strange.  I thought I was having the same kind of problem the other day.
[11:03] <ccha> last week I didn't got this problem
[11:03] <rosco_y> I was trying to make stage3.iso for installing gentoo, and I kept getting an out-of-space error
[11:03] <rosco_y> put I have lots of room
[11:04] <BluesKaj> ccha, check your / partition
[11:05] <ccha> my / partition is bigger 16G free
[11:05] <rosco_y> I'm having different problems today:  all my mounted partitions are read-only.
[11:06] <rosco_y> so now I can't do anything with them
[11:06] <rosco_y> Does anyone know what I can try to change my mounted partitions from ro to rw?
[11:06] <ccha> I check /var/lib/apt/lists there is no symbolic link
[11:08] <xzr> recommended way to upgrade 16.10 (I know shoulda done ages ago)? Full reinstall?
[11:09] <rosco_y> xzr: are you worried about losing data?
[11:09] <xzr> slightly yes, but guess I should backup anyway
[11:09] <rosco_y> Sounds like you won't go to jail if you lose something :)
[11:10] <xzr> all of the relevant stuff is in git anyway, but I suspect I'll miss some document and end up regretting it a year from now
[11:10] <rosco_y> no way around that
[11:10] <xzr> but full re-install it is?
[11:10] <Amm0n> ccha, unix filesystems usually have space reserverd for kernel processes etc.. on ext4 it's usually 5%
[11:10] <rosco_y> It's a good question, upgrade/reinstall?
[11:10] <guiverc> xzr, recommended way is thru 17.04 (also EOL) so recommended way is now gone.  if you need a longer life, consider using LTS versions
[11:11] <xzr> yup will go lts next
[11:11] <Amm0n> rosco_y, do you dualboot with win10?
[11:11] <ccha> Amm0n: yes; but I just dd 1G file; no problem
[11:11] <rosco_y> Amm0n: Thanks.  Yes I am.  I did reboot to windows, and make sure that I shut down clean.  Is that what you're driving at?
[11:11] <ccha> qnd reseved itùs for root user
[11:12] <Tin_man> rosco_y, might read this link >> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1863225
[11:12] <rosco_y> Thanks Tin_man, I'll check that out
[11:12] <ccha> apt doesn't concerned about reservation
[11:13] <rosco_y> do I need to unmount drives to run chckdsk?
[11:15] <Tin_man> I don't think so, if they are windows partitions, just open a command prompt and run chkdsk c: or what ever drive you've assigned.
[11:15] <Tin_man> if linux ubuntu then yes you need to unmount them and run fsck.
[11:15] <rosco_y> from the gui launcher menu, the "system->disk management" (User Mount Tool) tells me that "There are no filesystems which you are allowed to mount or unmount."  Is there a way to open the tool as root?
[11:16] <rosco_y> I think my system is falling apart.
[11:16] <EriC^^> rosco_y: what is the original problem?
[11:16] <Tin_man> if you read the link, you can use a live DVD to login, and unmount them then run fsck
[11:16] <rosco_y> EriC^^: ty, all my mounted partitions are ro, and I can't do anything with them.
[11:17] <Amm0n> rosco_y, are the partitions ntfs?
[11:17] <EriC^^> rosco_y: did you look in 'dmesg' for any errors or info about them?
[11:17] <rosco_y> Amm0n: yes, and the fstab is using "defaults", which I think is supposed to be "rw"
[11:17] <rosco_y> EriC^^: I never heard of dmesg
[11:18] <Amm0n> rosco_y, sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdx
[11:18] <Amm0n> will remove the dirty bit
[11:18] <rosco_y> EriC^^: I logged into my system today, and all my mounted parts are read only
[11:18] <EriC^^> rosco_y: try 'dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link it gives you here
[11:18] <Amm0n> and you should disable hybrid suspend in win10
[11:19] <rosco_y> Thanks Amm0n.  I don't do the "fast restart" in my windows, I ran into that problem in the past.
[11:19] <zaka> j
[11:19] <zaka> test
[11:20] <zaka> hello
[11:20] <EriC^^> hello
[11:20] <Amm0n> rosco_y, on my gf's pc the option got reenabled last week, and she got the same error
[11:20] <mancman3> hey
[11:20] <EriC^^> hey mancman3
[11:20] <mancman3> hi EriC^^
[11:21] <rosco_y> Amm0n: "Error opening /dev/sdx: no such file or directory
[11:21] <Amm0n> rosco_y, x for your partition
[11:21] <rosco_y> Amm0n: doh, excuse the blonde
[11:24] <rosco_y> looks like I should maybe use a CD to boot, unmount and run fsck
[11:25] <Amm0n> rosco_y, can you mount them manually?
[11:25] <Guest12519> hi all-can s1 tell me if copying my HDD using dd command terminal will be faster than using copy paste want an exact copy size is 1TB
[11:26] <rosco_y> Amm0n: they are mounted in my fstab, so I can read them, I'm not allowed to do anything with them (unmount/mount chown/create a file etc.)
[11:26] <EriC^^> Guest12519: exact copy of the hdd you need dd, copy paste would be faster but you won't get an 'exact copy' of the hdd
[11:26] <EriC^^> Guest12519: you need the whole partition table and everything too or just the data?
[11:26] <rosco_y> My historical solution for this kind of problem has been reinstall linux, but that's just wrong
[11:27] <Guest12519> so with exact copy do you mean all things bit for bit (deleted files without placemark would be there as well?)
[11:27] <Guest12519> just data but wanted to satisfy curiousity with prior question
[11:27] <rosco_y> but it does work.
[11:27] <EriC^^> rosco_y: dmesg should tell you more
[11:27] <rosco_y> EriC^^: wow: too much information!
[11:27] <Amm0n> rosco_y, not allowed as root?
[11:28] <Guest12519> lol roso me too
[11:28] <EriC^^> Guest12519: yeah deleted files as well
[11:28] <rosco_y> Amm0n: "sudo vim newfile" fails because filesystem is read-only
[11:28] <EriC^^> rosco_y: type 'dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999'
[11:28] <Amm0n> rosco_y, sudo umount /dev/sdx
[11:28] <Guest12519> awesome got another drive i want backed up in that way
[11:29] <rosco_y> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/8z8b
[11:30] <rosco_y> wow, that is cool
[11:31] <Guest12519> question <EriC^^> if you pipe to web address as above will you need to copy and past a link or will it be done automaticallly into irc
[11:31] <Guest12519> re pastebin
[11:31] <Amm0n> rosco_y, mkdir ~/tmp then sudo mount /dev/sdx ~/mnt the paste the error if you get one
[11:32] <Guest12519> sorry misread re termbin.com
[11:32] <rosco_y> Amm0n: I'm on it
[11:32] <rosco_y> Guest12519: ?
[11:33] <MarceeZ> Hello every one! I have ubuntu version 12.04 but i trying to upgrade to 12.10 but it show cant find something
[11:33] <MarceeZ> How i can upgrade it?
[11:33] <leftyfb> MarceeZ: 12.10 is completely EOL. 12.04 is only supported if you pay for the ubuntu advantage service
[11:34] <bazhang> MarceeZ, let me give you the eon end of life upgrade link
[11:34] <rosco_y> Amm0n:
[11:34] <Guest12519> oops i should of been asking that question to Eric^^
[11:34] <rosco_y> sudo mount /dev/sda9 tmp
[11:34] <rosco_y> Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.
[11:34] <rosco_y> The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which
[11:34] <rosco_y> could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.
[11:34] <bazhang> leftyfb, ubuntu advantage service paid?
[11:34] <rosco_y> So I guess I'd have to unmount it first?
[11:34] <cart_man> akik Will sftpusers be automatically be configured ? Is this n standard name of sorts?
[11:34] <mancman3> umount it first
[11:34] <Amm0n> yes
[11:34] <leftyfb> MarceeZ: http://robots.mobilerobots.com/wiki/Upgrading_Ubuntu_Linux_12.04_(precise)_to_Ubuntu_16.04_(xenial)
[11:35] <EriC^^> Guest12519: you have top copy and paste to irc, unless you use /exec -o something | nc termbin,com 999 from irc
[11:35] <leftyfb> bazhang: https://www.ubuntu.com/support/plans-and-pricing
[11:35] <rosco_y> sudo umount /dev/sda9
[11:35] <rosco_y> umount: /media/ross/DATA: target is busy.
[11:35] <Marcez> leftyfb, But it gives me 12.10 version not 14
[11:36] <Marcez> in upgrade
[11:36] <Marcez> wtf
[11:36] <akik> cart_man: no you need to add that group yourself. it's not a ubuntu standard name
[11:36] <leftyfb> Marcez: it gives you that when you do what?
[11:36] <Amm0n> rosco_y, anything accessing the partition? like disktool gparted or something?
[11:36] <rosco_y> mebbe I should just reinstall....it doesn't take that long....
[11:37] <rosco_y> Amm0n: good call.
[11:37] <Amm0n> that won't fix the dirty bit on your ntfs partitions
[11:37] <rosco_y> had a term open
[11:37] <Marcez> leftyfb, When i open updates available
[11:37] <Amm0n> ntfsfix should have taken care already, try a reboot
[11:37] <rosco_y> Amm0n:
[11:37] <rosco_y>  sudo umount /dev/sda9
[11:38] <leftyfb> Marcez: to be honest, at this point, 6 years after you installed, you are much better off reinstalling from scratch.
[11:38] <rosco_y> umount: /dev/sda9: not mounted.
[11:38] <Marcez> leftyfb, It shows new ubuntu release available
[11:38] <Marcez> and 12.10
[11:38] <bazhang> Marcez, since 12.10 is a no longer supported upgrade, you wont be able to get it
[11:38] <Marcez> Yes but maybe is some way to update to 14>04/
[11:38] <Marcez> ?
[11:38] <rosco_y> Amm0n: I was able to mount my partition to ~/tmp
[11:38] <Amm0n> rosco_y, is it rw now?
[11:38] <Marcez> Because i have outdated old 12.04 version but i want upfgrade it online
[11:39] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | Marcez
[11:39] <rosco_y> Amm0n: it's rw
[11:39] <bazhang> see the last link please there Marcez
[11:39] <Marcez> ok
[11:39] <Amm0n> rosco_y, the ntfsfix the other partitions and disable the crap in win10 again
 =) thank you
[11:40] <rosco_y> Amm0n: Thanks!  I'll check in later if it doesn't work....
[11:40] <rosco_y> Thanks everyone (too many to name), you people are great
[11:40] <leftyfb> Marcez: I do NOT recommend forcing and upgrade to 12.10. That gets you nowhere.
[11:41] <leftyfb> Marcez: try update-manager -d
[11:42] <leftyfb> Marcez: did you run sudo apt-get update # before you ran the update-manager? Or in the last 3 years?
[11:46] <Marcez> Thansks about help
[11:46] <Marcez> Now i can upgrade to 14.04 version
[11:46] <Marcez> THanks all about support
[11:47] <leftyfb> Marcez: I would recommend upgrading to 16.04 from 14.04 once you're done. And then upgrading to 18.04 next month
[11:48] <leftyfb> Marcez: if it's a desktop, your life is going to be a lot easier to just reinstall from scrach
[11:50] <Marcez> leftyfb, Yes but i dont have usb or CD : )
[11:50] <Marcez> Now i trying to upgrad
[11:50] <Marcez> Thanks about support
[11:51] <Amm0n> I really enjoy running a rolling release on my Desktop, Didn't have to reinstall since 2009, That's what i call stable :P
[12:03] <akem> Is the VPN option in Ubuntu 17.10 topbar menu uses openVPN?
[12:03] <akem> Does*
[12:08] <mancman3> it can but doesnt have to
[12:10] <akem> Ok thanks.
[12:22] <Guest12519> 52
[12:26] <keiserr> hi, mouse question, I have ubuntu 16.04 running. I have a logitech M510 mouse. My mouse works on my system. MY colleague tried ubuntu, he has the same exact mouse. Scroll doesn't seem to work on his mouse. Yet it works on a windows box. The weird thing is, his mouse's scroll doesn't work on my machine either. They are both the same mouse model, any idea?
[12:30] <keiserr> You won't believe it. But I swapped the batteries out of both mouse, and they are working fine now. This is absolutely weird!
[12:31] <mn3monic>  weird
[12:33] <keiserr> mn3monic, makes absolutely no sense right! I am still wondering how such a thing can even be possible.
[12:34] <mn3monic> i always do with my tv remote and its always works
[12:58] <m00n_urn> hey anyone try setting up grub password on 14.04?
[12:59] <Samul> I need help, ubuntu doesn't recognize gtx 650 card on dg31pr
[13:00] <Samul> Mobo
[13:01] <mn3monic> no
[13:01] <pos> For some reason this system refuses to boot with framebuffer res 1920x1080
[13:01] <pos> the mode is available in /sys/class/drm/***/modes
[13:01] <pos> hwinfo --framebuffer only shows 4:3 resolutions as available
[13:02] <pos> yet the system always boots with 1280x720
[13:03] <Amm0n> pos, did you enable KMS for your gpu driver?
[13:03] <pos> nouveau
[13:04] <ioria> Samul, https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/533095/gtx-650-on-intel-dg31pr-mainboard/
[13:05] <pos> Amm0n, looking into it, please elaborate
[13:10] <Amm0n> pos, try to boot with nouveau.modeset=1 once
[13:10] <Amm0n> if that works add it into a file in /etc/modprobe.d
[13:18] <dragondaksh>  hello all
[13:18] <dragondaksh>  i am facing an issue with rtsp and rtp protocols
[13:18] <dragondaksh> in google chrome on linux, can anyone please suggest how those procols can be integrated in chrome
[13:18] <NotHere> any option to turn off bell on ubuntu 18.04? I can even change the bell sound by selecting a different sound theme, but when I choose "No Sounds" as the theme, I still get sounds
[13:19] <NotHere> the "No Sounds" theme option, has the "Ubuntu" theme sounds
[13:19] <Amm0n> NotHere, if 18.04 uses pavucontrol you can turn of system sounds there
[13:20] <leftyfb> !bionic | NotHere
[13:21] <NotHere> thanks leftyfb
[13:21] <m00n_urn> hey anyone try setting up grub password on 14.04?
[13:22] <leftyfb> m00n_urn: Are you conducting a survey or are you looking for help?
[13:22] <m00n_urn> leftyfb: i'm looking for help.
[13:23] <leftyfb> m00n_urn: ok, then ask your support question. It doesn't help to ask who has done what
[13:23] <m00n_urn> hey anyone try setting up grub password on 14.04 machine? Could someone help me out?
[13:24]  * leftyfb sigh
[13:24] <leftyfb> m00n_urn: Got any more details other than what your end goal is?
[13:24] <Amm0n> m00n_urn, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords
[13:25] <Yourock17> Hi all. Using a linux machine for the first time ever... Wifi isn't working, shows broadcasted networks but then when i go to join one, after a few seconds it says disconnected
[13:26] <pos> Amm0n, can that be related to how the box almost always hangs at reboot?
[13:26] <Yourock17> Worked previously on windows from the same location. Any help would be appreciated :D
[13:27] <m00n_urn> Amm0n: are there any caveats i need to know before i set up grub password?
[13:27] <eoli3n> Hi, is there any prerelease of xubuntu ?
[13:27] <Amm0n> pos, i think so
[13:28] <eoli3n> xubuntu 18.04
[13:28] <leftyfb> !bionic | eoli3n
[13:29] <Amm0n> m00n_urn, read the Note in the 3. passage of the link i posted
[13:29] <Amm0n> m00n_urn, i'd rather go with fs-encryption
[13:29] <eoli3n> leftyfb: and ?
[13:29] <m00n_urn> Amm0n: this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords#How_It_Works
[13:29] <leftyfb> eoli3n: read the last part
[13:29] <Amm0n> m00n_urn, Note: The password security available with GRUB 2 provides basic protection to prevent an unauthorized user from gaining access to the operating system(s) via the GRUB 2 menu. Persons with physical access to the computer can gain access to the files via other methods which GRUB 2 cannot prevent.
[13:30] <m00n_urn> Amm0n: well, how would i mitigate from people logging as a single user from grub though?
[13:30] <eoli3n> leftyfb: still i don't get what you want to show me :/
[13:31] <leftyfb> eoli3n: go to #ubuntu+1 for discussion about 18.04
[13:31] <eoli3n> ok thx
[13:31] <Amm0n> m00n_urn, grub2 supports encrypted /boot partitions
[13:32] <Amm0n> m00n_urn, but you can't set this up with ubuntu installer
[13:32] <pos> nouveau.modeset=1 did not solve the issue, is it supposed to be combined with GRUB_GFXMODE=?
[13:32] <leftyfb> m00n_urn: https://www.cyberciti.biz/hardware/howto-linux-hard-disk-encryption-with-luks-cryptsetup-command/
[13:33] <m00n_urn> Amm0n: i see so just basic auth using passwords are possible in buntu, is it?
[13:33] <m00n_urn> leftyfb: well, you see i'm doing this on my universities lab so the sysadmin over there wouldn't be happy if i asked him to backup and crap, so im afraid i cannot setup luks fde
[13:34] <Amm0n> pos, did you try the prop. nvidia driver?
[13:34] <leftyfb> m00n_urn: if you can't wipe and reinstall, then you have no business setting a password on GRUB either
[13:34] <Amm0n> pos, it should work
[13:35] <m00n_urn> leftyfb: well, you don't have to reinstall the netire system to set the grub password right?
[13:35] <leftyfb> m00n_urn: if you are not the administrator of the machines, you should not be modifying them system in such a way as to lock anyone else out
[13:36] <pos> did not try, tons of dependencies :)
[13:36] <m00n_urn> sure, fair enough. but i'm just asking if this is possible without actually having to re-install the netire system
[13:37] <Amm0n> pos, give me a minute
[13:39] <pos> i'm able to manually adjust the res to 1920x1080 with fbset -xres/yres. this only works for the dvi output though, monitor connected to DP requires 1920x1080i (as per sys/class/drm/***/modes)
[13:40] <Amm0n> pos, did you enable GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX= too?
[13:41] <pos> tried that too
[13:41] <pos> unsure whether i update-grubbed last time though
[13:41] <m00n_urn> leftyfb: would it though?
[13:42] <Amm0n> pos, try GRUB_GFXMODE=1920x1200x32 and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
[13:42] <pos> to get 1920x1080?
[13:42] <Amm0n> no
[13:42] <Amm0n> 1080 ofc sry
[13:42] <pos> yeah, tried that
[13:42] <leftyfb> m00n_urn: can you set a password on grub without reinstalling? yes. Will it prevent anyone from messing with the computer the way you think? No. Do I think you should be messing with University equipment in these ways? No.
[13:43] <m00n_urn> leftyfb: cool, thanks
[13:43] <m00n_urn> leftyfb: and no i won't be messing with university equipment
[13:49] <Amm0n> pos, do you have any vesa option enabled in the kernelline, like vga=?
[13:50] <Amm0n> pos, or nomodeset?
[13:51] <pos> neither are present/enabled
[13:56] <Amm0n> pos, there is this ancient thread, but someone there used the uvesafb module to change it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/18444/how-do-i-increase-console-mode-resolution#comment1449339_470804
[13:58] <nklasdfef> if i forgot the LUKS passphrase, possible to add  a new one or any other way to unlock the hard disk?
[13:58] <leftyfb> no
[13:59] <EriC^^> i will raise a 'hell no' to that
[13:59] <EriC^^> xP
[13:59] <leftyfb> nklasdfef: kinda defeats the purpose
[13:59] <dragondaksh> yo
[14:13] <Cyber_Akuma> Does Ubuntu support exFat without having to install anything extra in the latest versions? Both read and write?
[14:16] <lordcirth_work> Cyber_Akuma, at least in 16.04 I think you need exfat-utils
[14:17] <dimisdas> Pretty sure you still need fuse to make it work
[14:18] <meri> Hi, I am having problem with keyboard, I am using slovak keyboard layout and I can't put caron on any letter. Can you give me hint where to look?
[14:18] <meri> I am using standard configuration and it doesn't work just from last update
[14:18] <pos> Amm0n, uvesafb also insists on 4:3 resolutions...
[14:19] <meri> i am using kubuntu
[14:19] <windrunner> meri: test
[14:19] <windrunner> meri: /join #mpm
[14:22] <Amm0n> pos, it should do 16:9 too https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/fb/modedb.txt
[14:23] <Amm0n> pos, but i have to bail out now, i hope someone else is able to help you
[14:25] <yamazaki> exit
[14:33] <genio> I'm starting to get this for more and more packages: Failed to fetch http://68.106.66.59:80/data/013e2eaae6cfb5f5/us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/grub2/grub-pc-bin_2.02~beta3-4ubuntu7.3_amd64.deb  Redirection loop encountered
[14:33] <leftyfb> genio: why does your repo URL look like that?
[14:33] <genio> I'm assuming there's some sort of problem in my packages.list, but I don't see anything and I haven't manually edited it
[14:34] <EriC^^> genio: what's in your sources.list ?
[14:34] <genio> leftyfb: I'd love to know why
[14:34] <leftyfb> genio: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:35] <genio> EriC^^: Is there a pastebot tool to use that would show that?
[14:35] <leftyfb> genio: just use pastebinit or just copy and paste it to the website
[14:36] <genio> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/576021
[14:37] <leftyfb> genio: try setting: nameserver 8.8.8.8 # in your /etc/resolv.conf and see if you still get the errors
[14:38] <genio> ugh. systemd-resolv :(
[14:38] <leftyfb> huH?
[14:39] <genio> nameserver 127.0.0.53
[14:39] <leftyfb> just change it to 8.8.8.8
[14:39] <leftyfb> for testing
[14:39] <bugzbunny> Why 8.8.8.8?
[14:40] <leftyfb> because it's a known functional public dns
[14:40] <bugzbunny> 8.8.8.8 doesn't have no log policy
[14:40] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: it's google's public DNS
[14:40] <bugzbunny> Google doesn't have no log policy
[14:40] <leftyfb> my guess is, Cox is redirecting genio's URL's
[14:41] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: log policy?
[14:41] <genio> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/576022
[14:41] <bugzbunny> I am saying, meanying, every website you visit the query DNS on Google public DNS is logged
[14:42] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: who cares? If you don't like it, don't use it.
[14:42] <genio> no worse than cox cable injecting shit on DNS lookups.  visit a web site that doesn't exist, you get a Cox Cable web page rather than a browser error
[14:42] <bugzbunny> So, imho, it's unsafe to always point folks to Google Publis DNS
[14:42] <TJ-> genio: try this: " sudo apt -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install ..." and pastebin the output
[14:42] <leftyfb> genio: contact your ISP. They're messing with your connection
[14:43] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: you are right. It is your opinion.
[14:44] <bugzbunny> leftyfb: You are right, you don't care about your anonymity but it's foolish to assume others don't
[14:44] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: it's called troubleshooting
[14:44] <bugzbunny> There isn't others?
[14:44] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: if you know of another one, feel free to use it in your debugging
[14:45] <bugzbunny> I feel free to share it, than blindly tell people to use Google DNS
[14:45] <TJ-> The issue isn't DNS it's a HTTP proxy
[14:45] <leftyfb> TJ-: I gathered that after genio's last past
[14:46] <genio> TJ-: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/576023
[14:46] <leftyfb> but then I got roped into privacy fun
[14:46] <leftyfb> genio: you need to contact your ISP and tell them to stop messing with your traffic
[14:46] <bugzbunny> It's more than just Privacy when you in the relm of libre
[14:47] <TJ-> genio: I dealt with a very similar issue some time ago for a RasPi user; let me link you to the solutions I wrote up for him.
[14:47] <bugzbunny> Anyway
[14:47] <genio> TJ-: thanks.
[14:47] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: Please continue this conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic. I will not, however be joining you
[14:47] <TJ-> genio: http://iam.tj/projects/raspi/#install-apt-transport-tor
[14:47] <bugzbunny> I rather just ignore you
[14:48] <TJ-> genio: short answer: "sudo apt install apt-transport-tor"
[14:48] <leftyfb> tor slows things down quite a bit
[14:48] <genio> So, Cox Cable seems to be running my traffic through some sort of proxy service that's effing me up? I don't have a local proxy running.
[14:48] <leftyfb> a U.S. residential ISP shouldn't be messing with the traffic and should be brought on notice
[14:49] <bugzbunny> Some ISPs do that
[14:50] <TJ-> genio: correct " 68.106.66.59" belongs to Cox
[14:50] <bugzbunny> But usually just 80
[14:50] <bugzbunny> Don't should be routing or proxy 443
[14:50] <bugzbunny> shouldn't&
[14:50] <TJ-> genio: I'd suggest using apt-transport-https but most of our mirrors don't use HTTPS :(
[14:51] <TJ-> genio: there's been some discussion in moving to HTTPS but there are so many mirrors with different policies that we couldn't do it universally
[14:52] <bugzbunny> Cox IMHO, can be too overly privacy folks
[14:53] <genio> Cox--
[14:53] <lordcirth_work> http mirrors are useful because you can cache them, and you don't trust the mirror anyway, you trust the GPG sigs
[14:54] <genio> and you don't have to have openssl or similar installed
[14:54] <bh777> Im trying to set up NFS, however when I try to actually run the mount command, it complains that statd is not running. I have installed nfs-common, however 'service statd.start' yields 'Unit statd.service not found"
[14:55] <leftyfb> bh777: sudo systemctl start nfs-kernel-server
[14:55] <bugzbunny> Cox is realling to go to court, lose millions, to protect you privacy.. Sevice wise.. no idea
[14:55] <bh777> did something to horribly wrong during install? The mount succeeds with the -o nolock option
[14:55] <bugzbunny> Sorry, willing*
[14:56] <bh777> leftyfb: that ran quietly, starting the statd service still complains 'statd.service not found.'
[14:58] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: the problem with that is by default apt has Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories "1";
[14:58] <leftyfb> bh777: rpc.statd.service
[15:00] <TJ-> bh777: are you configure NFSv3 or NFSv4 ?
[15:04] <genio> I'm on the phone with Cox. This is going to take a while to get to someone who even knows what DNS is or what proxies are
[15:04] <bh777> TJ: v3 according to nfsstat
[15:04] <bugzbunny> genio: Ask them to transfer you directly to the technical department
[15:05] <bh777> leftyfb: service rpc.statd start complained in the same way
[15:08] <genio> "We have a dedicated team that will have the tools, and knowledge to troubleshoot the DNS problem, from our end, tests have been made to the Internet service itself and the modem is showing good signs. But my best advice would be to contact the specialists directly to the number: 888-269-9693"
[15:08] <genio> going to be a long day.
[15:09] <bugzbunny> As I said, go speak to the the Technical Department
[15:09] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, according to Debian bugtracker, apt-get does, but apt doesn't
[15:11] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: what does "apt-config dump | grep Insecure" report ?
[15:11] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, 1
[15:11] <lordcirth_work> Just did that
[15:16] <bunnyman13> @genio yea it's going to be a long day,
[15:16] <bunnyman13> wait DNS problem?
[15:16] <bugzbunny> I don't use ISP DNS
[15:17] <bugzbunny> They are just as bad as Google Public DNS
[15:18] <bugzbunny> The problem is having trouble with 10:33 < genio> I'm starting to get this for more and more packages: Failed to fetch  http://68.106.66.59:80/data/013e2eaae6cfb5f5/us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/grub2/grub-pc-bin_2.02~beta3-4ubuntu7.3_amd64.deb  Redirection loop encountered
[15:19] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, are "0" and "false" interchangeable in apt configs?
[15:21] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: I believe so. I've looked at the source and Changelog (last reference 2014) - the only thing I can find is actually in the man-page where for the option it states "The default is false for backward compatibility. This will be changed in the future"
[15:22] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: which is weird; as-read it suggests it will change from being Secure to InSecure!
[15:25] <kus> Hi in artful I get $ gpg --full-generate-keygpg: invalid option "--full-generate-key"
[15:25] <kus> gpg --version gives me https://hastebin.com/raw/lacacosetu
[15:27] <nacc> kus: does the manpage on artful indicate it is a valid option?
[15:28] <sere> Im trying to run my conky script at lxsession/LXDE/startup with this to run it "sh /home/$USER/.conky/conkys &" but its not loading up any ideos?
[15:28] <nacc> kus: no such option in the manpage
[15:29] <kus> yes in the page I see https://hastebin.com/raw/eyibevoyix
[15:29] <nacc> kus: read the option shown there again
[15:29] <kus> ah it works
[15:29] <nacc> kus: :)
[15:29] <kus> what was I doing wrong?
[15:29] <kus> ah generate vs gen
[15:29] <nacc> kus: the full --full-generate-key was added later, i assume
[15:30] <kus> thank you
[15:35] <pos> Amm0n, had to add "video=DVI-I-1:*** video=DP-1:***" to cmdline
[15:36] <pos> which isn't really documented except for the mod source
[15:37] <pos> now, for the big question: how do i add a second framebuffer device and tie it to a specific video output (no x)?
[15:38] <bugzbunny> pos: Try modinfo <module> nextime
[15:41] <ne2k> yo. what's the cleanest way to get a newer OpenSSH than 6.6 on trusty? I've looked for a backport PPA but cannot find one. I do not want to upgrade the whole system
[15:42] <tgm4883> ne2k: You'd have to compile, but why do you need a newer version?
[15:42] <leftyfb> ne2k: it's probably about time to upgrade regardless. Older LTS releases don't tend to get the latest releases of software. Only security patches.
[15:42] <tgm4883> leftyfb: that's not necessary a bad thing, although an upgrade needs to be planned anyway
[15:43] <ne2k> tgm4883, I have something that uses domain socket forwarding which was added in 6.7. I'm trying to get it to run on a specific server which (currently) runs trusty
[15:43] <tgm4883> ne2k: well compiling OpenSSH then is your best bet
[15:44] <leftyfb> gross
[15:44] <ne2k> tgm4883, and is there a ubuntuish way of doing this or should I just to straight to the source?
[15:44] <kostkon> !info openssh bionic
[15:45] <leftyfb> !info openssh-server bionic
[15:45] <tgm4883> ne2k: well if it were me and I couldn't migrate to a newer version, I'd follow debian packaging guidelines and try pushing the updated OpenSSH package there
[15:45] <tgm4883> ne2k: I mean, you're compiling from source either way, but if you make it into a package you can do much easier upgrades and such
[15:46] <ne2k> tgm4883, I'm not sure I follow about "pushing the updated package"
[15:47] <bugzbunny> Correct me if I am wrongr
[15:47] <bugzbunny> But I think he means, go upstream, have them patch it
[15:47] <MarceeZ> Is it possible to change window size in ubuntu 17.04 like in 16.04 when press windows button ?
[15:47] <tgm4883> ne2k: lol, following two conversations at once and didn't finish my thought. You can make a package from it and push it to a PPA for building
[15:47] <leftyfb> upstream won't patch older versions with new features
[15:47] <MarceeZ> Search window size i dont want it full screen
[15:47] <bugzbunny> Isn't their a PPA with openSSH version he needs
[15:48] <kostkon> MarceeZ, afaik no it's not possible
[15:48] <tgm4883> bugzbunny: apparently not.
[15:48] <MarceeZ> kostkon, But i dont like this new
[15:48] <tgm4883> ne2k: and to be clear, this may require a lot of other work if openssh depends on a bunch of other stuff that needs backported as well
[15:48] <leftyfb> MarceeZ: 17.04 is EOL and not supported anymore
[15:48] <nacc> MarceeZ: to be clear, are you actually on 17.04?
[15:48] <MarceeZ> yes
[15:49] <leftyfb> !eol | MarceeZ
[15:49] <nacc> MarceeZ: yeah, upgrade first
[15:49] <kostkon> MarceeZ, it's a different desktop. 16.04 has unity 17.04 gnome shell. btw your OS has run out of support
[15:50] <leftyfb> kostkon: 17.04 has gnome shell by default? Pretty sure that was just 17.10. 17.04 still being on Unity by default.
[15:51] <dijuremo> Is there an specific channel for discussing problems with kernels patched for Meltdown and Spectre? We are observing many issues on computers with 16.04, 4.13.x kernels and the latest BIOS from DELL and Lenovo
[15:51] <sere> is it possible to create a lvm snapshot of another snapshot
[15:51] <MarceeZ> ups i have 17.10
[15:51] <MarceeZ> I have ubuntu 17.10
[15:51] <hggdh> dijuremo: you can stateyour issues on #ubuntu-kernel
[15:51] <bugzbunny> djhoulihan: Create a bug repport
[15:52] <djhoulihan> Uh, hi? Why? For what?
[15:52] <dijuremo> hggdh: thanks, will do
[15:52] <kostkon> leftyfb, you are right
[15:52] <djhoulihan> Oh you meant the other person
[15:52] <bugzbunny> We all benfit from the problems you might enconter
[15:53] <kostkon> MarceeZ, then you are fine, you don't need to upgrade, and still no you can't resize it, it's gnome shell
[15:54] <leftyfb> I haven't used it yet ... but what???? You can't resize windows in gnome shell?
[15:56] <kostkon> leftyfb, the usual answer would be: if you though unity was dumbed down, well then wait until you see gnome shell. joking aside MarceeZ means the dash window
[15:57]  * leftyfb sigh
[15:57] <ne2k> tgm4883, very easy to build from source. just had to install automake, libssl-dev and libz-deb, and that was it
[15:57] <leftyfb> What ever happened to DE's with actual features? Everything needs to be dumbed down these days. Makes no sense.
[15:59] <bugzbunny> I agree disagree
[15:59] <bugzbunny> Dumbed down make's it easier to use
[16:00] <kostkon> leftyfb, smartphones and tablets happened :/
[16:01] <bugzbunny> Where I agree is when a DE does everything for you without explaining what's it doing
[16:08] <akik> leftyfb: if you want features galore: kde
[16:09] <libreplanet> _
[16:16] <pos> bugzbunny, mhm
[16:17] <oerheks> What is the proper way to block facebook completely, are there trusted ip lists like https://gist.github.com/Whitexp/9591384 ??
[16:17] <leftyfb> oerheks: on your router
[16:18] <oerheks> hmm not sure i can do that on my router
[16:18] <leftyfb> why not?
[16:18] <ne2k> oerheks, block it for whom? on what sort of system? what do you mean by "proper"?
[16:18] <pos> oerheks, and with maaajor kung-fu in-browser...
[16:18] <ne2k> leftyfb, how can a router block facebook?
[16:19] <leftyfb> ne2k: https://www.linksys.com/us/support-article?articleNum=134633#4
[16:19] <leftyfb> no, that's software .... lame
[16:19] <leftyfb> https://www.howtogeek.com/242697/how-to-manage-parental-controls-on-linksys-smart-wi-fi/
[16:19] <leftyfb> there we go
[16:20] <ne2k> leftyfb, a router forwards packets based on L3 headers. not sure how it can block something at L7
[16:20] <bugzbunny> Why block
[16:20] <bugzbunny> Don't use facebook
[16:20] <ne2k> bugzbunny, what a dumb response
[16:20] <leftyfb> ne2k: a router can block certain traffic just fine
[16:20] <bugzbunny> Unless you talk about plugins that hook into sites
[16:20] <leftyfb> ne2k: visit the last link
[16:21] <bugzbunny> ne2k: I don't use facebook and I track IPs that go in and out of my network
[16:21] <oerheks> I was thinking about blocking by the /etc/host file
[16:21] <ne2k> leftyfb, that looks suspiciously like a firewall to me
[16:21] <bugzbunny> If I don't use it
[16:21] <bugzbunny> It's unesscary for me to look up ips to block it
[16:21] <leftyfb> ne2k: you'd be hard pressed to find a consumer router these days that doesn't also double as a firewall
[16:21] <bugzbunny> Unless you visit sites that facebook plugins
[16:21] <ne2k> oerheks, I do that; I just put 0.0.0.0 facebook.com; 0.0.0.0 m.facebook.com; 0.0.0.0 www.facebook.com in
[16:21] <bugzbunny> Even in those cases
[16:21] <bugzbunny> I use noscript
[16:21] <oerheks> leftyfb, my modem/router can block ip adresses, but i want to be sure i have a solid list
[16:22] <bugzbunny> What a dumb response to a dumb response
[16:23] <ne2k> oerheks, but that's self-policing, really. purely designed to stop me wasting time on FB while at work. it only takes a moment of determination to get round it
[16:23] <ne2k> oerheks, as you haven't actually said what the setup is and why you're trying to block it or anything, it's difficult to know what sort of answer to give
[16:24] <leftyfb> blocking ip's per site is a futile game
[16:24] <oerheks> ne2k, evenb non-facebook users are tracked, i want to block that all in my browsers
[16:24] <oerheks> AS32934
[16:24] <bugzbunny> Aslo, instead of the router blocking invidual IPs, wasting CPU time
[16:24] <oerheks> .. and write a proper manual to do this, to share.
[16:24] <bugzbunny> Block subnets
[16:25] <ne2k> oerheks, the /etc/hosts method should be effective if you know a list of domains
[16:25] <bugzbunny> Facebook have a few them
[16:25] <leftyfb> oerheks: https://github.com/jmdugan/blocklists/blob/master/corporations/facebook/all
[16:26] <leftyfb> better off with the domains
[16:26] <limbo_> I cannot close firefox. All processes are showing up as zombie in system monitor, and the force quit/wait modal dialog comes up on both windows occasionally.
[16:26] <leftyfb> limbo_: reboot
[16:26] <ne2k> limbo_, have you tried removing all the gas from the tank and turning the car upside down?
[16:26] <limbo_> Clicking either button does nothing, but I can't click/scroll anywhere until I've clicked on it.
[16:27] <oerheks> leftyfb, thnx, is this domain list more secure than the ip-ranges? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Whitexp/9591384/raw/
[16:27] <leftyfb> ne2k: trolling is off topic
[16:27] <leftyfb> oerheks: more likely to not change as often, yes
[16:27] <ne2k> leftyfb, hardly trolling
[16:27] <leftyfb> limbo_: reboot
[16:27] <limbo_> leftyfb: I'd prefer to not have to reboot as I'm in the middle of something. Plus, I'm concerned it might happen again.
[16:28] <leftyfb> limbo_: https://stackoverflow.com/a/16944931
[16:29] <leftyfb> limbo_: first result on google for "linux kill zombie process"
[16:29] <ne2k> leftyfb, telling him to check for occurrences of files with F417 in the filename in the cache directory and to truncate but not remove them all, and then try pressing the X button five times within a second would have been trolling
[16:30] <leftyfb> ne2k: commenting with asinine answers while verymuch not helping is trolling
[16:30] <ne2k> leftyfb, you are mistaken
[16:32] <oerheks> .. just be helpfull ..
[16:32] <ne2k> oerheks, that's not a domain list; that's a subnet list
[16:33] <pos> i seem to recall oerheks being a bit more 1337 than this? ololololol?
[16:33] <leftyfb> ne2k: the list I gave to oerheks is a list of domains. Directly portable to /etc/hosts
[16:34] <ne2k> leftyfb, I know. I'm talking about "<oerheks> leftyfb, thnx, is this domain list more secure than the ip-ranges? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Whitexp/9591384/raw/"!
[16:34] <ne2k> leftyfb, although, reading that again, I think I might have misunderstood
[16:35] <ne2k> I thought he was saying that /that/ was a domain list
[16:35] <oerheks> :-)
[16:35] <ne2k> erreur
[16:36] <libreplanet> nick quidam_
[16:42] <pavlos> prefix with a /
[16:42] <pavlos> libreplanet: eg. "/nick quidam" (no quotes)
[16:52] <Pistahh> hi, on a freshly installed system, following the instructions at https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/install-kubernetes-with-conjure-up#1  I run "snap install conjure-up" which seems to succeed, but the conjure-up command does not become available. Any idea what to check?
[16:54] <azizLIGHT> on 14.04 where is the terminal beell sound located :)
[16:58] <bugzbunny> azizLIGHT: In a plain TTY, ie ctrl+alt+F1?
[16:58] <bugzbunny> Through the PC Speaker?
[16:59] <azizLIGHT> well any error sound ubuntu makes
[16:59] <bugzbunny> As far as Terminal Emulators, AFAIK, it depends on DE or Terminal Emulator and you can go through the settings
[16:59] <azizLIGHT> what is that sound and where is it stored and how to change it
[16:59] <bugzbunny> I am trying to remember where does are located because I had looked into it in the pass
[17:00] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: for GUIs under /usr/share/sounds/
[17:01] <oerheks> locate -i bell.ogg
[17:02] <pos> anyone know how to spawn a new framebuffer device (/dev/fbX) and attach it to a specific video output? getting close to the end of a project here, any help would be appreciated :)
[17:03] <bugzbunny> I would help if I knew
[17:03] <bugzbunny> no idea
[17:03] <pavlos> Pistahh: did you use sudo? I just did that command, sudo snap install conjure-up, it completed, then I type conjure-up
[17:04] <Pistahh> pavlos: I ran it as root
[17:05] <pavlos> Pistahh: whereis conjure-up gives me /snap/bin/conjure-up
[17:06] <Pistahh> pavlos: argh, that is the problem, I didn't have /snap/bin in my path
[17:06] <Pistahh> pavlos: thx
[17:06] <pavlos> Pistahh: np
[17:28] <anma> Hello!
[17:29] <kostkon> anma, hi
[17:29] <oerheks> i guess both methods work fine domain and ip ranges.
[17:30] <oerheks> + ghostery plugin
[17:31] <anma> i have problems with dricers
[17:31] <anma> i have problems with drivers
[17:32] <JimBuntu> !ask | anma
[17:33] <JimBuntu> anma, standard greeting. Basically, post as much as you can about the issue, with details, use pastebin if needed/possible
[17:35] <leftyfb> oerheks: no, ip's will change more often than you think
[17:37] <oerheks> leftyfb, oh, good to know, i'll investigate further.
[17:42] <anma> problem with nvidia card fx5500, lubuntu 14.04, graphics is bugy
[17:43] <anma> nvidia propietaryu
[17:43] <anma> driver 175.xx is installed
[17:43] <oerheks> that fx5500 is a really old card, do not expect it to be a youtube racemonster.
[17:43] <oerheks> or 3D
[17:44] <oerheks> maybe the standard nouveau driver gives better performance.
[17:44] <anma> it's more buggy
[17:46] <oerheks> fx5500 (2004) ... 14 years, wow
[17:47] <anma> i'm trying to play latest version of bsu-chromium
[17:47] <leftyfb> yeah, that thing isn't getting updated drives any longer
[17:47] <tobra_> hi… is `sudo cp ubuntu-17.10.1-desktop-amd64.iso /dev/sdb` the right way to make a bootable stick (assuming /dev/sdb is the in fact the stick)?
[17:47] <nacc> tobra_: no
[17:47] <nacc> tobra_: you want dd or a usb creator
[17:47] <tobra_> so `sudo dd if=$file of=/dev/sdb` is correct?
[17:48] <bugzbunny> Just make sure you writing to right disk/drive
[17:48] <tobra_> bugzbunny of course…
[17:48] <azizLIGHT> EriC^^ and guiverc i found a little program called teatime that can show countdown timers in a window in case you wanted a followup
[17:48] <oerheks> anma, sorry to tell you, but there is no fix.
[17:49] <tobra_> but otherwise that’s correct?
[17:49] <bugzbunny> But I hear, you might need bs= and other options
[17:49] <tobra_> where would I check?
[17:49] <bugzbunny> Yes, should work
[17:49] <oerheks> bugzbunny +1  bs=4M surely helps speeding up writing
[17:50] <oerheks> and do not forget 'sync' after this.
[17:50] <bugzbunny> Yeah, because, it go straight to write cache but Linux usually flush on a proper shutdown
[17:51] <bugzbunny> I mean always*
[17:51] <EightBitTaco> Hello everyone, first time Linux user having trouble installing Ununtu
[17:51] <EightBitTaco> Ubuntu*
[17:51] <JimBuntu> Welcome EightBitTaco
[17:52] <JimBuntu> EightBitTaco, please post what you can, in detail, about the issue and if someone can help, they will. (please be patient)
[17:52] <EightBitTaco> So I'm installing it and I'm at the part where it is installing the 'grub2' package and a error pops up. "The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot."
[17:53] <EightBitTaco> The ver. of Ubuntu I'm installing is 16.04
[17:54] <vladi__> hi guys, need some help here: trying to automatically eliminate hundreds of tabs, already tried the /t + regular expression via find&replace. Also the tools>auto correct>options strategy, this is a huge .pdf file which I copied and pasted into an .odt new file, I cannot eliminate the tabs in between lines which makes weird lines and paragraphs. help?
[17:54] <vladi__> libreoffice 6.0 on ubuntu
[17:55] <oerheks> EightBitTaco, maybe the UEFI manual is a help..
[17:55] <oerheks> !uefi
[17:55] <akik> vladi__: a tab is usually \t not /t
[17:55] <rud0lf> vladi__: it's \t not /t
[17:55] <ozbrk> hi guys I want to get award of idiot of the year
[17:55] <akik> :)
[17:55] <EightBitTaco> Thanks for the link oerheks I'll check it out
[17:56] <vladi__> akik, yeah, just checked, did it in the right way, still no luck
[17:56] <ozbrk> I wanted to install ubuntu 16.04 as dualboot but in order to do that I deleted the windows boot manager partition. Now behold for the idiot of the year
[17:56] <vladi__> rud0lf,  yeah, just checked, did it in the right way, still no luck
[17:57] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: This ia UEFI system?
[17:57] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: yeap
[17:57] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: If it is, you delete a Windows Boot Manager Partition, you deleted EFI System partition, just a small correction
[17:58] <bugzbunny> didn't delete*
[17:58] <bugzbunny> vladi__: So, you can just boot a USB/CD of Windows Installer and restore everything
[17:59] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: windows data and main partition is fine though. Ubuntu installation alerted me to there is a legacy boot partition on the system as expected.
[17:59] <bugzbunny> vladi__: For the most part, Ubuntu installer should install along side just fine
[17:59] <bugzbunny> I dualboot with Windows 10, Ubuntu, and Arch
[17:59] <bugzbunny> On a UEFI system
[17:59] <tobra_> bugzbunny oerheks thx… that worked!
[18:00] <vladi__> rud0lf,  yeah, just checked, did it in the right way, still no luck :)
[18:00] <vladi__> bugzbunny, I believe you meant to refer to someone else
[18:00] <bugzbunny> vladi__: My bad
[18:00] <bugzbunny> I mean ozbrk
[18:01] <akik> vladi__: setting find: \t and clicking regular expressions to selected works for me
[18:01] <PCatinean> Hey guys, how do I include a command in a bash script that will append anything after calling it?
[18:01] <akik> vladi__: try using find in find & replace
[18:02] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: is ther eany way to save windows from its current state
[18:02] <vladi__> akik, like I said I did, itz making me go crazy, I read all the wikis in the universe :/
[18:02] <PCatinean> any1?
[18:02] <akik> vladi__: find next doesn't find the next tab?
[18:03] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: What do you mean? The Windows Setup Recovery should work, just follow the steps, it won't delete those partitions, it will just make the system bootable again into Windows
[18:03] <nacc> PCatinean: can you rephrase? I don't really understand your question
[18:03] <PCatinean> I have a bash script does echo and I want to be able to call it with script world
[18:03] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: oh so all i need a wintoast stick
[18:03] <akik> vladi__: click on view/formatting marks to show them. a tab is a blue arrow pointing to right
[18:03] <tobra_> I cannot setup crypto+lvm alongside an existing windows?
[18:03] <PCatinean> I place it in /usr/local/bin it has the echo part and I want to be able to add bla bla bla bla after it
[18:04] <vladi__> akik, no, it doesn't, dunno why. It is the copy and paste from a .pdf file, any clue?
[18:04] <nacc> PCatinean: ok, your rephrase is not making it clearer :) let's start again
[18:04] <nacc> PCatinean: you have a script that echos a string, right?
[18:04] <akik> vladi__: can you see the arrows?
[18:04] <vladi__> akik, which arrows?
[18:04] <bugzbunny> tobra_: What do you mean? Just setup a Partition, crytro+lvm works on the partition
[18:04] <akik> vladi__: view/formatting marks. a tab is a blue arrow pointing to right
[18:04] <PCatinean> nacc, my script has just echo in it, nothing else
[18:05] <vladi__> akik, give me a sec
[18:05] <tobra_> bugzbunny the option to encrypt is grayed out unless, I decide to overwrite windows…
[18:05] <kostkon> PCatinean, there you go https://stackoverflow.com/q/192249/282546
[18:05] <PCatinean> and I want to be able to add as many paramaters/strings after it and I just want to concatenate the bash script + what I write after it
[18:05] <nacc> vladi__: are you on bionic? or using the snap?
[18:05] <nacc> PCatinean: well, then your script is ... wrong. YOu want to take the arguments to your script and echo them?
[18:05] <bugzbunny> tobra_: Huh, it might to ecrypt the entire disk, but I wouldn't know unless I test it myself
[18:05] <nacc> PCatinean: read `man bash`, specifically the bits about $@
[18:05] <leftyfb> PCatinean: $@
[18:06] <nacc> PCatinean: also, there's #bash (or ##bash)
[18:06] <vladi__> akik, these blue marks appeared at the end of every line
[18:06] <nacc> akik: i guess likewise for you, i believe libreoffice 6 is only in the snap and in bionic's deb
[18:06] <PCatinean> that was it leftyfb thank you
[18:06] <PCatinean> also nacc
[18:07] <vladi__> nacc, bionic? snap?
[18:07] <nacc> vladi__: you said libreoffice 6, right?
[18:07] <nacc> vladi__: what version of ubuntu are you on and how did you install libreoffice?
[18:09] <vladi__> I'm on a 16.04 and installed it manually via bash
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: 'manually' ?
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: you built it from source?
[18:09] <vladi__> yep
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: ... then you should ask libreoffice upstream, you're not using ubuntu packages
[18:09] <arij> hey, which amd drivers are best for graphics on ubuntu 17.10? im having texture issues with a game i recently installed
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: presuming you actually have the issue, and it's not some other problem
[18:09] <arij> also gpu is 270x
[18:09] <vladi__> nacc, I don't think itz got anything to do with that
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: i have very little idea why you'd build something libreoffice yourself
[18:10] <vladi__> anyway I'm in the meantime already asking on libre
[18:10] <nacc> vladi__: well, akik can't reproduce it, and you're not using a supported version of libreoffice relative to this channel
[18:10] <nacc> vladi__: you could try the snap and see if it works
[18:10] <vladi__> k
[18:10] <vladi__> thx
[18:10] <tobra_> bugzbunny seems to "only" encrypt the home folder in this setup…
[18:11] <stevie> hey
[18:11] <stevie> i need to install libleptonica-dev 1.74 and xenial only has 1.73 - how can I get this?
[18:12] <bugzbunny> Installing Windows and Ubuntu in a VM is a bit time consuming for me tobra_, I don't know why the setup would/should interfer with other partitions
[18:12] <leftyfb> stevie: why do you think you need that version of that package?
[18:12] <bugzbunny> It might be some standard that Ubuntu must have set
[18:12] <stevie> because I need to compile a program
[18:12] <stevie> which uses 1.74
[18:13] <Elysium3301> Anyone know why Ubuntu 16.04 32 bit isn't compatible with UEFI?
[18:13] <bugzbunny> Double check if you are not making any mistakes
[18:13] <leftyfb> stevie: contact the developer of "a program". Or maybe find and compile libleptonica-dev manually
[18:14] <stevie> there is no way to use backports or something
[18:14] <tgm4883> stevie: how can you use something that doesn't exist?
[18:14] <stevie> it does exist in sid https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract
[18:14] <leftyfb> !info libleptonica-dev bionic
[18:14] <stevie> thats what im trying to compile
[18:15] <JimBuntu> stevie, http://www.leptonica.com/download.html then tar xvf it, cd to it, ./configure && make && sudo make install
[18:15] <tgm4883> stevie: there's no backport of libleptonica-dev 1.74 to xenial, so you'd have to do it yourself
[18:15] <leftyfb> stevie: what are you compiling?
[18:15] <stevie> i just linked it
[18:15] <stevie> its a OCR program
[18:16] <stevie> :( fine ill do it manually
[18:16] <nacc> stevie: tesseract is in ubuntu
[18:16] <nacc> stevie: why are you building it yourself?
[18:16] <nacc> JimBuntu: i would not generally recommend a user do a make install of a library unless they really know what they are doing
[18:16] <nacc> JimBuntu: becuase uninstalling it is non-trivial in the general case
[18:16] <nacc> JimBuntu: minimally, checkinstall is probably safer (it fakes a deb out of it)
[18:16] <JimBuntu> nacc, good point, good point.
[18:17] <stevie> because i need to change some things
[18:17] <nacc> stevie: you're being so vague that it's hard to know if you are doing it correctly. Presuing you need to change the latest tesseract, then you should set up a proper development environment
[18:17] <nacc> stevie: if you don't need the latest tesseract, use the one in ubuntu and modify it and build a new deb
[18:18] <stevie> our vm is dead
[18:18] <stevie> so im just doing it on my lapto[
[18:18] <stevie> laptop
[18:19] <tobra_> stevie does this work for you? https://github.com/openpaperwork/pyocr on debian it was pretty painless to set it up recently.
[18:20] <amosbird> hi, is there a way to generate shift-insert via one key by tweaking xkb  ?
[18:24] <A1Recon> lost the Unity top bar and dash after update. can access tty1. Please help.
[18:27] <lavinho> good afternoon
[18:27] <cheguacamole> What did the K stand for in KDE?
[18:27] <lavinho> how to enable scroll magic  2 apple on ubuntu
[18:27] <lavinho> ?
[18:28] <oerheks> cheguacamole, https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE nothing actually
[18:28] <oerheks> oops, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE
[18:28] <cheguacamole> thanks lol, glad i stopped looking
[18:31] <amar_> unable to install ubuntu on 240ssd with win10 and 200GB free space. Stuck in initramfs.
[18:32] <amar_> gigabyte z370m d3h
[18:33] <kostkon> A1Recon, try this:   dconf reset -f /org/compiz/   and  unity --reset-icons   then    rm -rf .gnome2/ .gnome2_private/ .config/ .gconfd/ .gconf/ .gnome/   and finally   sudo service lightdm restart
[18:34] <bugzbunny> amar_: Did you veriry the ISO and Veriry from Grub Menu?
[18:34] <A1Recon> error on first command... cannot autolaunch dbus without x11 display
[18:34] <oerheks> lavinho, i find no fix, https://askubuntu.com/questions/945741/apple-magic-mouse-2-scrolling-not-working/971071 nor on arch... https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=210091
[18:35] <bugzbunny> Is there a command for Ubuntu help guid on verify ISO
[18:35] <kostkon> A1Recon, you mean this? dconf reset -f /org/compiz/
[18:35] <bugzbunny> !verify-iso
[18:35] <oerheks> !md5sum
[18:35] <A1Recon> kostkon yea
[18:36] <kostkon> A1Recon, ignore it for now
[18:36] <A1Recon> same error for the second command 'unity --reset-icons'
[18:38] <kostkon> A1Recon, what's your graphics card
[18:38] <A1Recon> nvidia
[18:39] <A1Recon> kostkon ^
[18:39] <kostkon> A1Recon, you could try reinstalling the driver
[18:39] <amar_> @buzzybunny check md5sum
[18:39] <A1Recon> kostkon the guest profile has the dash and top bar
[18:40] <amar_> @buzzybunny what to check in grub
[18:40] <kostkon> A1Recon, ok
[18:40] <A1Recon> so i dont think its related to the driver
[18:41] <bugzbunny> amar_: When the Ubuntu Installer boots, it has Verify you can select with up or down arrow
[18:41] <kostkon> A1Recon, try this instead  rm -r ~/.cache/compizconfig-1 ~/.compiz
[18:41] <bugzbunny> amar_: This is to check if the ISO was written to the ISO/USB properly
[18:41] <amar_> @bugzbunny shows erros of "acpi error method parse/execution failed"
[18:41] <amar_> then goes to initramfs
[18:42] <A1Recon> kostkon and then restart?
[18:42] <A1Recon> directly from tty1?
[18:42] <kostkon> A1Recon, you could try  sudo service lightdm restart
[18:43] <anx> Hello. Have any  of you encounter issues with the night light on Bionic *(w/ Dual Monitors)?
[18:44] <ducasse> !bionic | anx
[18:44] <bugzbunny> amar_: After you select to verify from Grub? Does it continue how does it get stuch there.... You can try osi=Linux on Kernel command line, hit 'e', scroll with the down arrow key till you see linux line, and append it there
[18:44] <amar_> @bugzbunny ill try this
[18:44] <bugzbunny> These days, you shouldn't need it, but it just tells BIOS that this is Linux
[18:45] <oerheks> amar_, check for bios updates for your mobo, and see the uefi manual what you need to disable https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI >  disable QuickBoot/FastBoot and Intel Smart Response Technology SRT )
[18:46] <amar_> @bugzbunny i get unable to fund medium containing a live file system
[18:46] <oerheks> and do not overclock
[18:46] <amar_> @bugzbunny will check it
[18:47] <bugzbunny> amar_: Read oerheks comments
[18:47] <TJ-> bugzbunny: not osi, "acpi_osi=" but kernel already tries =linux anyhow
[18:47] <tobra_> I get this error after completing an installation and hitting "raboot"… https://askubuntu.com/questions/984970/firmware-bug-tsc-deadline-disabled-due-to-errata-what-should-i-do-about-thi any hints?
[18:47] <bugzbunny> TJ-: Got it
[18:48] <tobra_> if I kill the machine and restart, I boot into Windows (instead of grub)
[18:50] <tomreyn> tobra_: use windows to install the latest bios update, try again
[18:51] <tobra_> how?
[18:51] <bh777> I have successfully mounted an NFSv3 directory. I can create a file on the client, and see it on the server and vice versa. However when www-data attempts to create a file it errors out with 'no locks available'. Is this an idmapd.conf issue?
[18:52] <tobra_> and I think I have uefi instead of bios.
[18:52] <tomreyn> tobra_: ok. the 'how' depends on your hardware, which model do you have?
[18:52] <oerheks> "how?" can be answered by the manual
[18:53] <oerheks> there is a project about bios updates, but old .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIOSUpdate
[18:53] <tobra_> tomreyn Acer TravelMate P658-G2-MG-5505
[18:54] <Mr_Pan> ciao
[18:54] <A1Recon> kostkon you are a genous... thanks dude
[18:54] <kostkon> A1Recon, np
[18:57] <tobra_> oerheks not really anything on that in the manual…
[18:58] <oerheks> tobra_, again: check the mobo manual
[18:58] <tomreyn> tobra_: https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/BIOS/BIOS/BIOS_Acer_1.21_A_A.zip?acerid=636378605177235197&Step1=NOTEBOOK&Step2=TRAVELMATE&Step3=TRAVELMATE%20P658-MG&OS=ALL&LC=de&BC=ACER&SC=EMEA_8
[19:02] <tomreyn> tobra_: you'd find this on https://www.acer.com/ac/de/DE/content/support-product/6821?b=1
[19:05] <tobra_> which version should I go for? most recent one?
[19:05] <tobra_> (1.21)?
[19:05] <tomreyn> tobra_: this is all not really about ubuntu, but i'd normally suggest using the latest firmware, yes.
[19:06] <bugzbunny> Yes, one thing I dislike about BIOSes updates, they don't have complete changelogs
[19:06] <tobra_> well question would be: which one is compatible with ubuntu ;-)
[19:06] <bugzbunny> It's not about being compatible
[19:06] <bugzbunny> It's about the BIOS doing what it should be doing for any OS
[19:06] <tomreyn> tobra_: you'd ask your vendor for support on that. as long as it complies with the standards, it will work with ubuntu. the one you have now does not
[19:06] <bugzbunny> Right
[19:11] <tobra_> hm… guess that wasn't the right bios in the link.
[19:11] <oerheks> tobra_, latest version is 1.21, i would install that one
[19:11] <oerheks> * if you are not up2date
[19:12] <tobra_> sais it’s not compatible with the model.
[19:12] <oerheks> and the url from tomreyn gives that 1.21 version
[19:12] <tobra_> yes… that’s the one I was talking about.
[19:13] <BelaDona> hashbrowns
[19:14] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: cool thanks for sharing
[19:14] <tobra_> well… I’m out of time now… thx for the suggestions though.
[19:14] <tomreyn> tobra_: if it's really the wrong model (i'm surprised), you should search yours at https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/drivers
[19:19] <ozbrk> hi guys I have a serious issue
[19:19] <ozbrk> ubuntu 16/04 never install grub
[19:20] <tomreyn> ozbrk: how do you know?
[19:20] <ozbrk> Ive tried many things and now Im on the live system due to keyboard mapping I cannot use marks
[19:21] <ozbrk> my problem is simply on this link https://askubuntu.com/questions/789998/16-04-new-installation-gives-grub-efi-amd64-signed-failed-installation-target
[19:22] <tomreyn> ozbrk: so this is an intel NIC?
[19:22] <ozbrk> grub efi couldnt been installed on target but there is an efi partition seperated and boot partition under the root partition aswell
[19:22] <ozbrk> tomreyn: what is NIC
[19:22] <tomreyn> * NUC
[19:22] <ozbrk> nope
[19:22] <BelaDona> my hashbrowns are always the same color
[19:23] <BelaDona> my hashbrowns are always the same color
[19:23] <oerheks> BelaDona, please keep this channel clear for ubuntu support, thanks
[19:24] <ozbrk> oh boy whole article is about the intel nuc I accidently deleted the windows boot manager partition in order to fix this
[19:24] <ozbrk> now windoes doesnt boot aswell
[19:24] <oerheks> ozbrk, boot your windows iso and fix it
[19:24] <BelaDona> i apologize i was stuck in a flood
[19:25] <ozbrk> I will but how do I install ubuntu if it resist to install grub partition
[19:25] <oerheks> ozbrk, see the uefi manual ?
[19:25] <oerheks> !uefi
[19:26] <tomreyn> disabling secureboot might also help
[19:32] <codebot_> what is nspluginwrapper?
[19:32] <leftyfb> http://nspluginwrapper.org/
[19:33] <leftyfb> codebot_: first result on google
[19:38] <Cyber_Akuma> Taking 10 hours to copy around 440GB... from a usb 2 device back to the same usb 2 device in a different partition.... is that normal?
[19:39] <Richard_Cavell> Cyber_Akuma, I get that kind of speed on my machine
[19:40] <bugzbunny> Is this SSD?
[19:40] <Tecan-> im getting notifications from facebook when its not even open... anyone know how to fix this ?
[19:40] <Tecan-> might be something with firefox
[19:40] <bugzbunny> Or a regular very LARGE flashdrive, or spin disk?
[19:40] <dax> my bet's on NTFS, personally
[19:40] <bugzbunny> Either way, you going to hit the USB interface bandwidth
[19:40] <bugzbunny> That too
[19:40] <bugzbunny> ntfs-3g is SLOW
[19:41] <dax> yup
[19:43] <Cyber_Akuma> bugzbunny: laptop mechanical hdd
[19:44] <Cyber_Akuma> from a ntfs partition to an exfat one
[19:44] <limbo_> Out of nowhere, my PC became unable to resolve DNS records. I'm running the latest ubuntu, and have no idea what might be wrong. (the wifi symbol in the top bar has a '?' over it) Running "service network-manager status" includes the warning "dispatcher: (11) 01-ifupdown failed (failed): Script '/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01-ifupdown' exited with error status 1."
[19:44] <limbo_> Anyone know what might be going on?
[19:44] <james1138> Hello. Can I ask a question about Ubuntu 16.04 and Banshee media player here?
[19:45] <Exterminador> help! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jGDmPHWSmK/ <- does anyone knows if this is possible to solve without formatting the machine?
[19:45] <limbo_> I checked /etc/resolve.conf and it has "nameserver 127.0.1.1" as its only uncommented entry.
[19:46] <limbo_> The wifi settings application shows the gateway and DNS as 192.168.1.1 as I'd expect.
[19:47] <bugzbunny> IIRC, NetworkManage uses DNSMASQ as a builtin DNS Resolver, for me it's 127.0.0.53
[19:47] <gigantic> anyone know how to recover a botched grub loader?
[19:48] <ozbrk> oh I see what the hell is going on in order to install linux I need to repair the windows boot manager partition which was the efi partition first
[19:48] <bugzbunny> Firs
[19:48] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: remember what did I said to you I accidently deleted the partition
[19:48] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: It's not Windows Boot Manager Parttion
[19:48] <limbo_> bugzbunny: dnsmasq isn't installed on my system.
[19:48] <gigantic> ozbrk: sounds like you have the same or similarproblem as me!
[19:48] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: It was always EFI System Partition, just Windows display it that way
[19:49] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: I deleted the whole EFI partition now it is windows repair tools problem to retrive it
[19:49] <Exterminador> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S98zDHwMFk/ -> whats the error in line 456?? :x
[19:49] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: Otherwise it is imposible to perform a dualboot right
[19:50] <bugzbunny> limbo_: On UEFI system, you need EFI Partition Systerm Partitoin
[19:50] <james1138> Banshee will not start. It pops up and then crashes. Purging files and re-installing from scratch does not help.
[19:50] <bugzbunny> All UEFI bootloaders, including Windows Boot loader, get installed there
[19:50] <gigantic> bugzbunny: doesn't refind create that partition for you?
[19:51] <BelaDona>   17.362347] squashfs: SQUASHFS error: Filesystem uses "xz" compression. This is not supported
[19:51] <bugzbunny> gigantic: No, it's a FAT32 partition with a unique GPT UUID
[19:51] <BelaDona> i thinks its an error
[19:52] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: how much space do you need to be an efi partition and can windows bootloader be installed on a efi partition created by ubuntu (question mark)
[19:52] <BelaDona> i don't hear barking
[19:52] <BelaDona> excuse me
[19:52] <bugzbunny> All OSese share that EFI System partition
[19:52] <bugzbunny> As far as how big, I go with 100MB
[19:52] <ozbrk> gotcha
[19:53] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: First repair with Windows Recovery
[19:53] <BelaDona>    18.082858] EXT4-fs (vdb): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[19:53] <BelaDona> [ 3184.816738] Scheduler[3905]: segfault at 7f31f80001ac ip 00007f3303dc60b1 sp 00007f32e81a8d70 error 6 in libsqlite3.so.0.8.6[7f3303dab000+cf000]
[19:53] <BelaDona> [ 6313.706122
[19:53] <BelaDona> i think it added 4 zeros
[19:53] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: Windows Recovery will handle all that, in Ubuntu installer, make sure you slect the EFI System Partition as /boot/EFI
[19:55] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: roger I`ll try to find a windows usb stick first
[19:56] <bugzbunny> limbo_: You can edit /etc/resolv.conf and put the proper DNS IP
[19:56] <bugzbunny> Just keep in mind, you might lose ability for whatever that does DHCP, to update that file, if DNS IP every change... Especially for a laptop
[19:57] <bugzbunny> I don't know if remove it, than systemctl restart NetworkManager, and have it recreate that file works
[19:58] <leftyfb> limbo_: it looks like you're using your router for DNS. Which is fine, except what is your router using for DNS? That might be the problem. I would first put "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in your /etc/resolv.conf to test. If it works, then you know you have to change the DNS on your router to one that works
[19:58] <gigantic> bugzbunny: can you put that partition anywhere on any disk?
[19:58] <oerheks> do not edit /etc/resolv.conf  .. use /etc/resolv.conf.d/base and update with sudo resolvconf -u.
[19:59] <leftyfb> oerheks: it's only for debugging
[19:59] <oerheks> the last part should be included in /etc/resolv.conf
[19:59] <oerheks> leftyfb, oh, without reboot.. that could work for this session
[19:59] <leftyfb> oerheks: right, but it's only temporary. Once the problem is resolved (router side) a reboot will undo the edits
[20:00] <westpig> join
[20:01] <Cyber_Akuma> Using Ubuntu to copy around 440GB of data from a 54000 RPM Laptop HDD connected by USB 2.0 off a NTFS partition.... and back to itself on an exFat partition.... I guess I should consider myself LUCKY that it's only going to take 10 hours....
[20:02] <Cyber_Akuma> Had to install exFat support too since it's not includedin Ubuntu 17.10, I thought it was included since 16.04
[20:02] <bugzbunny> 5400 RPM is slow
[20:02] <tomreyn> 54000 RPM would be fast, but doesn't exist
[20:03] <tomreyn> USB 2.0 is very slow
[20:03] <gigantic> bugzbunny: can you put the system EFI partition anywhere on any disk?
[20:03] <Exterminador> nvm. i've solved my problem. :D
[20:04] <gigantic> bugzbunny: like, if i have 4 drives and 10 partitions i can put the efi partition anywhere?
[20:04] <bugzbunny> gigantic: You can
[20:04] <gigantic> nice
[20:04] <gigantic> thats aw3esome
[20:04] <bugzbunny> But just make sure, ie, grub-efi install it correctly
[20:04] <gigantic> bugzbunny: do you know how to get refind to point to the linux kernel?
[20:04] <Cyber_Akuma> would usb 3.0 even do anything for a 5400rpm drive over usb 2.0 anyway?
[20:05] <bugzbunny> I have Ubuntu UEFI bootloader on my Spin disk that boots Ubuntu off my SSD
[20:05] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ahhh, thats sort of where im stuck i think... you still need grub? you can't just boot ight to the kernel?
[20:05] <bugzbunny> You /need/ a bootloader, that's what loads the Kernel
[20:05] <limbo_> bugzbunny: Every time I restart network-manager it replaces the file with "nameserver 127.0.1.1"
[20:06] <bugzbunny> I hear, the Kernel supports booting itself, correct me if I wrong...
[20:06] <limbo_> also have no idea why /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01-ifupdown is failing to run.
[20:06] <gigantic> i was under the impression that UEFI /waas/ the bootloader? and that grub and lilo etc are basically redundant?
[20:07] <gigantic> check this link out: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/146784/is-grub-the-best-bootloading-solution-is-there-an-easier-alternative/146803#146803
[20:07] <bugzbunny> No, UEFI (BIOS) does the POST, then it hands it over to a Bootloader, that than hands it over to the Kernel
[20:07] <bugzbunny> There is a Wikipedia article that explains the BOOTING process
[20:07] <bh777_> How would I go about setting up nfslock? The tutorial I was following doesn't mention it. ps aux | grep nfslock shows that it isn't running and i'm pretty sure this is my problem
[20:09] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ok, yes, i know what you mean now. i think they call it a stubloader [booting from the kernel]
[20:09] <dax> gigantic: it's entirely possible to have UEFI boot into Linux directly without going through GRUB, yes. I don't know of any distros that actually do that because the user interface for configuring UEFI tends to be a pain in the butt and it doesn't hurt anything
[20:09] <dax> but yes, it works and i've done it personally
[20:09] <dax> doesn't hurt anything to have GRUB*
[20:10] <gigantic> dax: gotcha, thanks. would it just be easier to fix the grub cfg than to try and load directly from efi?
[20:10] <oliv_____> I have a brand new ec2 instance. I want to install an x11 that would make it easy to use a UI of software. I was thiking of just setting up a vnc.  Anyone have other ideas?
[20:11] <oliv_____> x11 is just too slow
[20:11] <bugzbunny> You should need to fix /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:11] <gigantic> im thinking that eventually grub etc will just stop being used once people are familiar with uefi
[20:11] <gigantic> it seems pretty simple, and more robust of a solution
[20:11] <bugzbunny> update-grub aka grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg should work.. If you need to add stuff
[20:12] <bugzbunny> edit /etc/default/grub, if it's more complex, I believe the is /etc/grub.d
[20:12] <gigantic> bugzbunny: can you do that from a liveusb? or do you need to chroot?
[20:12] <onio1>  I started an access point network with create_ap "./create_ap wlan0 eth0 MyAccessPoint MyPassPhrase" the eth0 is 192.168.1.1 and the wlan0 is on 192.168.12.1. I would like to talk to 192.168.12.1 from another device on 192.168.1.84 how can I do this
[20:13] <bugzbunny> There should be Ubuntu guide on repair grub
[20:13] <bugzbunny> !repair-grub
[20:13] <gigantic> ive never really messed with grub. im not too worried about losing anything on the disk, but i don't want to brick it or anything. is that even possible?
[20:13] <bugzbunny> It's painless
[20:13] <gigantic> thats a relief
[20:13] <Bluerate> hello all, i installed vpnc on ubuntu 16.04, but how to make it work for firefox with hotspot shield?
[20:13] <gigantic> having a hard time understanding many of the explanations ive come across though
[20:14] <gigantic> doesn't hel;p that they're all different
[20:14] <bugzbunny> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[20:14] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[20:14] <jnamldk> when i keepassx snappy, i get this error "cannot create lock directory /run/snapd/lock: Permission denied";  seems AppArmor fails to create the desired paths, any workaroud?
[20:14] <CountryfiedLinux> Do PS3 controllers work by default in Ubuntu?
[20:14] <acovrig> I’m on ubuntu 16.04 and must be doing something wrong, I do sudo snap install conjure-up and it says it’s installed, but zsh can’t find conjure-up in my path, shouldn’t snap add it to a standard /*/bin path?
[20:14] <gigantic> bugzbunny: thanks!
[20:14] <westpig>  I am lookin for a friend to help me with ma Ubuntu notebook
[20:15] <tomreyn> onio1: different networks, you'll need a router
[20:15] <acovrig> I see it in /snap/conjure-up/973/bin/conjure-up but why isn’t it in my PATH?
[20:16] <tomreyn> oliv_____: use text instead? if you really want a *graphical* UI, use X with x2go
[20:16] <cheguacamole> westpig define Help?
[20:16] <oliv_____> ok thanks let me look at that.
[20:17] <onio1> Hi tomreyn: both network are running on the same PC. I can talk to a 192.168.1.84 from the 192.168.12.55 device but not from the other way round
[20:17] <oliv_____> In the past I just did x11 but it was slow so thanks.
[20:17] <Bluerate> Could you help please on how to install vpn?
[20:19] <acovrig> nevermind, https://askubuntu.com/questions/895030/conjure-up-exception-could-not-determine-juju-version solved my problem
[20:22] <Goop> Are there Oauth server packages for Ubuntu, or is Oauth just a concept, and you have to make your own application?
[20:25] <bugzbunny> onio1: Check your subnet mask
[20:27] <onio1> bugzbunny: ah I forgot about that because I am using 255.255.255.0 instead on 255.255.0.0
[20:28] <TheWild> hello
[20:28] <TheWild> testing 17.10.1. Why the hell switching between tty's is so problematic in 17.10.1?
[20:28] <tgm4883> TheWild: how is it problematic?
[20:29] <Wolf_Y> Heyoo, is anyone online ?
[20:29] <Wolf_Y> i would like to ask some noobish questions !
[20:29] <akik> TheWild: they changed the gui to be behind f1
[20:30] <Wolf_Y> I am running ubuntu server 17.10 on hyper-v manager and i cant get the static ip to work
[20:30] <TheWild> Since X is now on tty1, I switch to tty2, do stuff here, logout. It switches me back to tty1 (I didn't press Ctrl+Alt+F1), and neither mouse nor keyboard work from now.
[20:30] <Wolf_Y> I tried configuring my adapter as well as the netplan,yaml
[20:31] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: did you setup the network interface in hyperv to be a bridged interface?
[20:31] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: What do mean?
[20:31] <Wolf_Y> leftyfb: hmm i did not
[20:31] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: In Hyper-V, what network is the adapter connected to?
[20:32] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  to default adapter
[20:32] <bugzbunny> No, what Network
[20:32] <bugzbunny> There is host, bridge, and another one
[20:32] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  let me check
[20:32] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: configure it as a bridged interface to your network
[20:33] <TheWild> on 16.04.3 it was behind F7, and it sucked sometimes that is: when X was stopped and I switched to tty7, I got a black screen and OS not listening to keyboard/mouse anymore. Couldn't switch to other tty.
[20:33] <bugzbunny> For bridge, you need to create a Network for that, and reboot Windows
[20:33] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  how can i check to what network i am connected
[20:33] <bugzbunny> Uh, let me get the guid
[20:34] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: you should be asking in #windows for this part no
[20:34] <leftyfb> now*
[20:34] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  i can only see the network switch in adapter settings
[20:34] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: you should be asking in #windows for this part now
[20:34] <Wolf_Y> leftyfb:  im preatty surre that i dont know how to configure my network inside ubuntu
[20:34] <bugzbunny> Up
[20:34] <bugzbunny> Yeah, it's off-topic
[20:34] <skinux> What is the Ubuntu equivelant of ptrace?
[20:35] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  where should i ask
[20:35] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: step #1, configure the bridge interface in Windows.... then come back once that's done
[20:35] <Wolf_Y> leftyfb: alright, ill try and do that
[20:36] <gigantic> bugzbunny: hrmmm, i seem to have 2 efi system partitions [according to gparted]. does this cause a conflict?
[20:37] <bugzbunny> Per EFI spec, you can't have two EFI System Partitions on the same disk
[20:37] <bugzbunny> If they are on different disk, that's okay
[20:37] <gigantic> although i think i booted into refind [say, efi part1] and it seems to have an entry that loaded into an old refit partition [efi part2]
[20:38] <rud0lf> "duuh" knowlege level here.. i own vps server. being really newbie about it. how do i set ssh logging successes and fails, also sudo successes and fails into certain file?
[20:38] <rud0lf> or at last parse it with regex per line?
[20:38] <gigantic> bugzbunny: they are definitely on seperate dissk... do they have a hierarchy defined in the mobo firmware or something? [ie the bios pointing to one of the efi partitions]
[20:38] <bugzbunny> No
[20:38] <rud0lf> i remember auth.log but i'm not sure if i should start there
[20:39] <gigantic> bugzbunny: so it just takes the first one installed in the hdd array?
[20:39] <rud0lf> or is it a ##linux question?
[20:39] <bugzbunny> The UEFI (BIOS) will scan the disk for ESP, if not already defined in the firmware
[20:39] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ahh ok, i think i know what you mean
[20:39] <bugzbunny> CMOS clear or Reset to defaults in BIOS
[20:39] <bugzbunny> Should reset whatever is stored in the UEFI Firmware
[20:40] <Wolf_Y_> Alright, i have made a bridge between my pc net adapter nad hyper-v one
[20:40] <Wolf_Y_> whats the next step
[20:40] <skinux> Will tcptrace work for ptrace?
[20:40] <bugzbunny> Step #2, attach the adapter to the bridge interface
[20:41] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ok, i thought that after POST [bios] the uefi gets loaded [bios part2], and somewhere in there [which you're saying is cmos?] the esp gets defined [pointing to the uefi partition to load]
[20:41] <bugzbunny> Do a complete shutdown of the VM and restart.. From that part on, you need to make sure you IP configuration is correct
[20:41] <nacc> skinux: what do you mean?
[20:41] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny: alright, ill try and do that now
[20:41] <bugzbunny> gigantic: UEFI and BIOS are one of the same
[20:42] <skinux> Someone in #nginx told me to use ptrace for troubleshooting. But I cannot find ptrace. I can, however, find tcptrace
[20:42] <gigantic> bugzbunny: i get it. just for lack of a better understanding i'm trying to find out where the esp gets invoked.
[20:42] <nacc> skinux: ptrace and tcptrace are unrelated, i'd assume
[20:42] <nacc> skinux: ptrace is a syscall
[20:42] <nacc> skinux: used by strace, etc.
[20:42] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny: i should attach both adapter to the bridge interface, or just the hyper-v one
[20:43] <bugzbunny> gigantic: esp doesn't get invoke, it UEFI (BIOS) scans for esp, mounts the partition, than looks for a efi bootloader
[20:43] <leftyfb> skinux: do you get a basic website when going to the ip of your nginx server?
[20:43] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y_: The VM one
[20:43] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny:  alright
[20:43] <leftyfb> skinux: also, do you have a VERY basic plan html page to serve up to test?
[20:44] <skinux> If I go to localhost IP, I get it works page, for my site I get 403 forbidden. 'localhost' I get blank pages
[20:44] <leftyfb> skinux: I take it your site is php based?
[20:44] <skinux> Yeah.
[20:44] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ok, as a best practice, is it better to have your ufi partition on one disk for the whole system, or keep a ufi partition on each disk [so you can, say, load it into another comp] and point then point to it
[20:44] <leftyfb> wait, I thought you said when you go to localhost you get "it works". Then you said you get blank pages
[20:45] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny:  alright, the hyper-v adapter is attached to the bridge,whats the next step
[20:45] <gigantic> bugzbunny: i'm basically trying to clean up and reinstall a triple boot here
[20:45] <bugzbunny> gigantic: You can do whatever you want, you just can't two esp on the same disk
[20:45] <skinux> If I go to 127.0.0.1/ I get it works page, if I go to localhost/ etc then I get blank pages
[20:45] <skinux> Hold on.
[20:45] <bugzbunny> It will confused the BIOS
[20:45] <skinux> Yeah, that's how it is.
[20:45] <BelaDona> is this a wireless router issue
[20:46] <BelaDona> maybe you need to update your port preference
[20:46] <leftyfb> BelaDona: no
[20:46] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y_: In the VM, make sure your IP configuration is correct
[20:46] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny: so i need to configure the netplan now, am i right ?
[20:46] <leftyfb> skinux: how are you browsing to localhost on your server?
[20:47] <bugzbunny> I don't know what 'netplan' is
[20:47] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y_: yes
[20:47] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y_: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan
[20:47] <skinux> essentially, http://localhost/
[20:47] <leftyfb> skinux: with what browser?
[20:47] <Wolf_Y_> leftyfb: alright, thanks ill do that now, but im also wondering if i can change the ipv4 stuff in the bridge now
[20:48] <descuidado> hello, upon installing ubuntu, my uefi boot menu added the next entries, ubuntu, ubuntu and UEFI_OS, is there any way i can see what these do? and why is there a duplicate ubuntu menu?
[20:48] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y_: there should be no ip address configuration in your bridge config in hyperv. All of that gets done in the guys
[20:48] <descuidado> i've already checked efibootmgr but i cant seem to find an option that would let me check that
[20:49] <skinux> Opera
[20:49] <leftyfb> skinux: is there a reason you're running a server hosting a website running a graphical desktop?
[20:49] <Wolf_Y_> leftyfb: alright,ill conf the netplan.yaml now and get back to you
[20:49] <gigantic> bugzbunny: from the tut you linked: "Mount the partition your Ubuntu Installation is on" do they mean the esp or the fs volume? [i have 3 parts, boot/esp, swap, and encrypted fs]
[20:49] <skinux> Yes, local dev/testing
[20:49] <gigantic> bugzbunny: stupid question i know, but you're awesome bugz!!
[20:50] <skinux> That, however, is irrelevent.
[20:50] <leftyfb> skinux: ok, so it sounds like you have your web server up. Now you just need to install php and enable it in nginx properly
[20:50] <skinux> I have PHP-FPM and PHP 7 installed.
[20:50] <ConsoleFx> vlt, sorry to bother you once again. I made some slight tweaks in the existing code logic and now its a tuple object and the code logic would fail (of course) now since the index gets changed now. Is there any way I can still make it work against (result2).
[20:50] <ConsoleFx> Example code: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mph7tDvzH6/
[20:51] <leftyfb> skinux: is nginx configured for php?
[20:51] <skinux> Well, that's what I've been trying to properly do, but I have no log data to help.
[20:51] <ConsoleFx> please ignore. pasted here wrongly. Wanted to post in python in-stead
[20:52] <bugzbunny> gigantic: ooo, the ecrypted fs, if you can uncrypt it
[20:53] <leftyfb> skinux: http://matthewwittering.com/blog/ubuntu-tips/php-error-messages.html
[20:53] <leftyfb> skinux: try following that, changing up php5 for 7 and apache for nginx
[20:54] <diamond_> hello
[20:54] <bugzbunny> With Nginx
[20:54] <bugzbunny> You need to make sure fpm config is setup properly, I'll post mine
[20:54] <skinux> You mean downgrade?
[20:55] <leftyfb> skinux: no
[20:55] <diamond_> hello anyone there
[20:55] <leftyfb> skinux: when it asks to change something for php5, do it for php7
[20:55] <leftyfb> !ask | diamond_
[20:56] <diamond_> ubottu why ?
[20:56] <diamond_> whats the best distro for gaming?
[20:57] <leftyfb> diamond_: that is not an appropriate question here. You can use google though.
[20:57] <oerheks> diamond_, you ask that in #ubuntu?? lolz ..
[20:58] <oerheks> !flavors | pick one..
[20:58] <bugzbunny> skinux: https://hastebin.com/pawevuwohi.nginx
[20:58] <BelaDona> what is a program called jaws?
[20:58] <diamond_> ik its a wired question but i use alot of linux
[20:58] <Wolf_Y_> leftyfb: alright it seem to be working now, i updated my netplan.yaml and when i check my ip using ip addr show, i can see the correct one there now but when i  try to ping google.com i can see that the packets are sent using the ip i dont want, what should i do now ?
[20:58] <diamond_> im still a basic user
[20:58] <diamond_> but dose that make a diffrence?
[20:59] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y_: that's a hyperv issue. Enable mac spoofing in the advanced settings of your network card in hyperv settings
[20:59] <skinux> That has nothing to do with PHP versions
[21:00] <Wolf_Y_> leftyfb: alright ill do that now, thanks for all the help
[21:00] <leftyfb> skinux: the link I gave you tells you to edit a file which most certainly relates to a specific version of php which you need to swap out with the version you're using
[21:00] <bugzbunny> skinux: You might run into problems if fastcgi is not setup properly
[21:00] <diamond_> but dose anyone know best distro for gaming
[21:00] <bugzbunny> skinux: I am not your enemy, just helping
[21:00] <skinux> Okay
[21:00] <leftyfb> diamond_: Ubuntu has games. You can play games on it. That is the extent of this conversation. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:01] <diamond_> :(ok
[21:02] <skinux> Okay, replaced that. But I still get blank pages
[21:03] <leftyfb> skinux: anything in any of your nginx logs?
[21:04] <bugzbunny> The thing with blank pages with PHP
[21:04] <bugzbunny> Is PHP by default doesn't echo errors output, goto your php.ini, since it's dev, to display_errors
[21:05] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: you mean exactly like I told him to do and he just confirmed doing?
[21:05] <bugzbunny> hahaha
[21:05] <Wolf_Y_> leftyfb: thanks once again, working like a charm, also big thanks to bugzbunny  <3
[21:06] <skinux> No, I'm not getting anything to logs still
[21:06] <BelaDona> khan-sioux
[21:07] <nacc> BelaDona: please stop with the random text. Stick to support topics in this channel.
[21:07] <leftyfb> skinux: is there a /etc/php7/nginx/php.ini and if so, is that the one you edited?
[21:07] <BelaDona> sorry wrong chat
[21:11] <leftyfb> ok, i'm out. probably for the night
[21:13] <Guest63028> hi i am a problem
[21:13] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ok, hit a snag in the first part ;p can't mount the encrypted fs, but the ext4 part is mounting with what appears to be a bunch of kernels and ufi folder etc... problem is "mount: /mnt/dev: mount point does not exist." when binding directories and i guess because of that, cannot chroot?
[21:16] <animeskirt>  i am running into problems trying to mount my harddrive from within ubuntu
[21:17] <Guest63028> How To Get Ubuntu To Boot Before Windows?
[21:18] <BelaDona> do you have a dual bios?
[21:19] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: Show the channel - in a pastebin - what you are working with ' sudo parted -l ' .
[21:19] <Guest63028> a am: windows 10 , ubuntu
[21:21] <animeskirt> Error mounting /dev/sda1 at /media/cityman/Storage: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000" "/dev/sda1" "/media/cityman/Storage"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
[21:21] <animeskirt> Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.
[21:21] <animeskirt> Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Operation not permitted
[21:21] <animeskirt> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[21:21] <animeskirt> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[21:21] <animeskirt> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[21:21] <kostkon> !paste | animeskirt, for when you come out of quiet
[21:22] <animeskirt> oops
[21:23] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: Can you take the systems advise and connect the drive to a Windows machine and then cleanly unmount it ?
[21:23] <animeskirt> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CPd83sP2SP/
[21:24] <animeskirt> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yxmGBBrqtc/
[21:27] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: And the 1000GB (sda) drive is the one with the issues ? You boot the 2nd (sdb) drive with no issues ?
[21:28] <animeskirt> yes the SSD is accessible
[21:28] <animeskirt> the NTFS one is not
[21:29] <animeskirt> and i am not running windows like is mentions
[21:29] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: On the SSD is also a Windows install. can you boot that Windows and from there run a Window's file system check on the 1st drive ?
[21:30] <animeskirt> i can reboot into windows yes
[21:32] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: Then, from Windows, see what Windows thinks of the 1st drive . See if you can mount it .. and then "cleanly" unmount it .
[21:32] <rud0lf> hello. i'm a newborn admin of ubuntu server, is there a survey i could read about security considerations? how to protect, audit, etc?
[21:32] <rud0lf> so my server won't be an open wound
[21:32] <Guest63028> I reinstalled my windows 10 and lost myself cannot start
[21:32] <Guest63028> https://www.google.bg/search?q=ubuntu+bios&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiF_uSAqPnZAhWkYJoKHY_0CeUQ_AUICigB&biw=1301&bih=678#imgrc=D0qqP6pX3iTQBM:
[21:32] <Guest63028> help
[21:33] <DF3D2> you lost yourself ?
[21:33] <animeskirt> ok I will attempt that and come back
[21:34] <DF3D2> i guess you better go to tibet, become a zen monk and find yourself
[21:35] <tomreyn> rud0lf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security
[21:35] <rud0lf> thank you kindly
[21:36] <Guest63028> i dont now speak english very good
[21:37] <tomreyn> !bg | Guest63028
[21:47] <Guest63028> can not enter ubuntu menu when restart Win10
[21:48] <oerheks> hold shift @ boot to enter grub menu, Guest63028
[21:48] <oerheks> !grub
[21:51] <bmomjian> I am on Ubuntu 16.04.  What is the recommended way to mount NFS volumes that are only intermittently connected?  Pre 16.04, a simple mount command allowed such functionality, but in 16.04 I need to use x-systemd.automount to cause automounting, but if the host is not connectable, it hangs 'df' and my desktop when I try to access the menu.
[22:00] <Wolf_Y> Hi, once again im here to ask for help, is anyone avaible..
[22:01] <timeless> bmomjian: https://serverfault.com/questions/263149/is-there-a-flag-i-can-pass-to-either-df-or-mount-to-make-them-display-result might be interesting
[22:01] <nacc> bmomjian: and you don't know whether you would need the nfs mountpoint or not?
[22:02] <bmomjian> Uh, yes, that helps for df but the big problem is hanging my desktop.
[22:02] <bmomjian> I have the NFS volumes in my Places folder so as soon as I click to see the desktop menu, I am hung.
[22:02] <nacc> bmomjian: i ask that because you can use autofs (iirc)
[22:03] <bmomjian> I am thinking x-systemd messed this up somehow but I am confused as few people seem to report this problem.
[22:03] <timeless> out of curiosity, are you using `noauto` w/ your systemd stuff?
[22:03] <bmomjian> I am thinking I do need autofs, but oddly I didn't need it in the past.  Is this expected?
[22:03] <bmomjian> yes, I used noauto with x-systemd.automount
[22:04] <bmomjian> Mount options are: async,soft,noauto,x-systemd.automount
[22:04] <timeless> archlinux tends to be my friend when dealing w/ systemd -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fstab  -- it suggests a timeout flag
[22:04] <timeless>  x-systemd.device-timeout=
[22:04] <bmomjian> I have tried this too: async,soft,noauto,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=10
[22:04] <bmomjian> I don't see timeo in the docs anymore so I never tried that.  Does that work?
[22:05] <timeless> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.mount.html mentions x-systemd.device-timeout
[22:05] <timeless> or rather x-systemd.mount-timeout=
[22:06] <bmomjian> I had not seen _netdev before
[22:06] <timeless> oh, yeah, i've used _netdev on some of mine
[22:06] <timeless> lemme look at mine, i have sshfs(fuse)
[22:06] <bmomjian> I can test _netdev, of course
[22:07] <timeless> the ones i'm using (for sshfs-fuse) are defaults,noauto,_netdev,x-systemd.automount
[22:07] <bmomjian> oh, OK, let me test _netdev.  That one is new for me.
[22:08] <Gavin> no
[22:08] <bmomjian> I will try without the timeout
[22:08] <TheWild> running 16.04.4 now. Yeah, it talks better to my graphics card.
[22:09] <timeless> my system is a bunch of daemons that talk to eachother, i thankfully don't have an X or equivalent thing, but hopefully this is helpful
[22:09] <tomreyn> bmomjian: how about a "soft" mount?
[22:09] <bmomjian> I am using 'soft'.  Didn't seem to help.
[22:09] <TheWild> will be back
[22:09] <bmomjian> It feels like systemd doesn't understand mount options in the same way the old system did.
[22:09] <timeless> in my case, iirc _netdev helped w/ boot order and making things less insane
[22:10] <bmomjian> great
[22:10] <timeless> systemd definitely has a much different view of the world
[22:10] <tomreyn> oh didnt notice. yes _netdev might help with th einital mount
[22:10] <bmomjian> Yes, I am sure.  It feels like it doesn't get the 'soft' hint.
[22:10] <timeless> in systemd's view, by default, any entry in /etc/fstab is a *mandatory* entry
[22:10] <bmomjian> At least on this OS version.
[22:10] <bmomjian> ah
[22:10] <timeless> as opposed to one view of the world where "fstab" has a bunch of "advisory" / "quick access" mountable items
[22:10] <bmomjian> so goes _netdev help there?
[22:11] <tomreyn> 'soft' is for when the connection goes away later
[22:11] <bmomjian> I have had to edit fstab every time I go in and out of my home network, not fun.
[22:11] <timeless> well, for fuse, w/o _netdev, the mount tried to come before the nework
[22:11] <bmomjian> timereyn, good point
[22:11] <timeless> and systemd got very unhappy
[22:11] <timeless> _netdev especially helped systemd understand not to even bother trying until the network appeared
[22:11] <bmomjian> I seem to boot fine, though early on I do remember some hangs occasionally on boot and shutdown.
[22:12] <timeless> i haven't look too closely to be able to say if these flags represent a single thing in systemd or multiple things
[22:12] <mason> Hey all. I'm curious... My wife just hit an odd bug, and it appears to match 1474927, 1578830, and 1652451, which are evidently duplicates of each other and all still open/unresolved. Anyone familiar with this?
[22:12] <mason> Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 8
[22:12] <bmomjian> timeless:  I will need 30 minutes to test and will report back here.
[22:13] <timeless> i'll hopefully be gone, but good luck
[22:13] <bmomjian> OK, thanks much.
[22:13] <timeless> tuning systemd is was a steep learning curve for me, although, in the long run, the system is imo easier to read/understand for it than the old stuff
[22:14] <timeless> so, while it's painful, over time, i'm learning to appreciate it
[22:14] <timeless> and the more i use it, the easier it is to apply things elsewhere
[22:14] <mason> Stockholm syndrome. :)
[22:14] <rosco_y> how can I set my desktop to a solic color?
[22:15] <timeless> mason: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Terminal/FAQ ?
[22:15] <bmomjian> timeless:  Yes, that was my opinion too, though I have not take the time to study it.
[22:16] <timeless> mason: specifically, https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Terminal/FAQ#Exit_status_8
[22:16] <timeless> (and, if that works, it might be worth commenting in the launchpad issues...)
[22:17] <oerheks> solution for locale issue: https://askubuntu.com/a/651169
[22:17] <mason> timeless: I'll go give it a try and will comment. Thank you for the link.
[22:17] <timeless> mason: and oerheks has a link to the fix
[22:18] <mason> Oddly, this is a fairly new install of Xenial and totally vanilla, but I'll explore.
[22:18] <timeless> based on the fact that the faq lists individual exit codes, it feels like the gnome-terminal carefully defined individual exit codes for individual cases, which is fairly impressive...
[22:18] <mason> Hrm, pretty sure we've never mucked with locales on the box, but this all seems reasonable.
[22:18] <mason> Yes.
[22:19] <mason> I'll go fetch her laptop and see what's set now.
[22:20] <MarceeZ> Hello i have 2GB RAM but linux ubuntu 16.04 is lagging
[22:21] <MarceeZ> Maybe there is better desktop environemt and lighter for ram?
[22:21] <MarceeZ> How about KDE - plasma?
[22:21] <wxza> When the new LTS version comes out will an apt dist-upgrade be enough or will it have to be completely reinstalled?
[22:22] <mason> wxza: You'll be able to upgrade.
[22:22] <wxza> Awesome
[22:24] <sdfsdf> hey
[22:24] <sdfsdf> why is snapcraft.io down
[22:24] <sdfsdf> Also can I put my entire LAMP stack into a Snap?
[22:24] <timeless> wxza: personally, i've been using do-release-upgrade
[22:24] <timeless> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[22:25] <wxza> timeless, what's the difference?
[22:25] <timeless> "The recommended way to upgrade a Server Edition installation is to use the do-release-upgrade utility."
[22:25] <timeless> "it's recommended"? :-)
[22:25] <dax> do-release-upgrade does additional checks
[22:26] <dax> dist-upgrade is not really officially supported, though it usually works
[22:26] <wxza> Thanks - didn't know that was a thing until now :P
[22:26] <sdfsdf> I didn't eitehr
[22:26] <timeless> i'm not sure how old it is, i've only started using it fairly recently
[22:26] <mason> https://serverfault.com/questions/322810/whats-the-difference-between-apt-get-dist-upgrade-and-do-release-upgrade
[22:26] <sdfsdf> I'm thinking about using snaps for my server as they're simplier
[22:26] <dax> sdfsdf: #snappy may be useful, if you don't get an answer here
[22:27] <mason> So, it looks like you don't have to edit your sources.list to point to the new release with do-release-upgrade - it'll do it for you.
[22:27] <timeless> which reminds me, i just did a do-release-upgrade today, i need to run whichever thing it was to restore my disabled repos
[22:27] <wxza> Oh awesome
[22:27] <hggdh> wxza: the only way an "apt update && apt full-upgrade" would work for moving from release "A" to a release "B" would be to replace the repositories. And, then, you will miss any special handling that would be performed by do-release-upgrade
[22:27] <mason> timeless: So, FWIW, gnome-terminal won't start with LANG=C. Go figure.
[22:27] <timeless> yeah, ubuntu really is making things much shinier :)
[22:28] <timeless> mason: can't say i'm terribly surprised
[22:28] <oerheks> https://docs.snapcraft.io/snaps/ works, mainpage gives an error indeed
[22:28] <timeless> anyone happen to remember the magic to deal w/ the disabled repositories? do-release-upgrade told me before it started, but that session is long gone...
[22:30] <wxza> Is there a way to set Xfce up to how it is supposed to look by default without manually changing it all? (Xubuntu machine)
[22:31]  * timeless manually deals w/ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list (all 1 file, easy...)
[22:32] <ptytty> anyone read PoC || GTFO?
[22:32] <oerheks> wxza, remove the ~/.config/ folder, logout & login again
[22:33] <wxza> It's that simple?
[22:33] <mason> That'll kill other configs too, although who knows if there's anything worth saving in there.
[22:34] <wxza> mason, If I did it I'd probably back it up to another dir instead of deleting it just incase it did break anything
[22:34] <mason> Locallt, I see configs for several non-desktop things in there. wxza: Maybe take a quick look to see.
[22:34] <mason> yeah
[22:34] <oerheks> it will be all default, as you asked for
[22:35] <oerheks> ( the config folder will be recreated, don't worry)
[22:35] <mason> oerheks: He wanted XFCE to be default. Only. From what he said.
[22:35] <wxza> Yeah, I know how to change things myself but I was just wondering if I can get it to default and go from there rather than changing things one-by-one
[22:36] <oerheks> you might want to remove ~/.cache/ too..
[22:36] <wxza> Alright
[22:38] <gigantic> can anyone help with thishttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zj9NXDm5cX/
[22:39] <wxza> Shouldn't you grub-install to a dir /dev/sdc is mounted on and not /dev/sdc itself?
[22:40] <timeless> gigantic: did you rename a volgroup at some point? :)
[22:40] <gigantic> wxza: that's a good question. not according to http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[22:40] <Jordan_U> gigantic: You didn't bind mount /dev/, and more importantly you didn't mount /mnt/boot/efi (your EFI System Partition). Least important, there should be no device argument to grub-install when installing for UEFI, as there is no boot sector. So just "sudo grub-install".
[22:40] <mason> timeless: I annotated the three bugs I mentioned and I credited you with the find.
[22:41] <mason> Thanks again.
[22:41] <gigantic> wxza: and i think i'm only half understanding what you're saying... let me investigate. unless you can shed some more light
[22:41] <timeless> cool
[22:41] <Jordan_U> gigantic: You also don't need --recheck.
[22:41] <mason> o/
[22:41] <gigantic> Jordan_U: does it make a difference that i'm using a liveusb?
[22:42] <wxza> gigantic, A simple way to understand is like how you can't use a USB using the /dev/sdx its given, it gets mounted then you use its dir (/media/...)
[22:42] <gigantic> timeless: ummm, i don't think i did explicitly, but it had something to do with decrypting a vol before trying to mount it
[22:43] <gigantic> wxza: is that the case even if you're already chroot on the media?
[22:43] <Jordan_U> gigantic: If you were booted from your working system rather than a LiveUSB then you woundn't need to do any extra mounting or chrooting, it would just be "sudo grub-install".
[22:43] <wxza> gigantic, pretty sure, yeah
[22:43] <Jordan_U> gigantic: grub-install completely ignores device arguments when installing for UEFI.
[22:44] <timeless> gigantic: fwiw, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/417786/cannot-grub-install-recover-grub2-after-repair-install-windows10-on-nvme-ssd-o has "just for anybody who is interested. In the end i reset all my settings in the UEFI setup after rebooting and voila the grub menu appeared. ;-) – aerioeus Jan 20 at 13:29"
[22:44] <gigantic> Jordan_U: ok, so i did some mounting. had to use udisksctl to mount the encrypted vol
[22:44] <timeless> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/320014/grub-install-error-cannot-find-efi-directory
[22:45] <gigantic> then i chroot into the mounted vol
[22:45] <timeless> specifically suggests mounting the /boot folder into the chroot
[22:45]  * timeless isn't sure that's the right thing for the problem, but it sounds familiar
[22:45] <wxza> gigantic, Pretty sure I'm wrong given the link timeless put in chat lol
[22:46] <Jordan_U> gigantic: I need to leave. You *need* to mount your EFI System Partition to /mnt/boot/efi/, you also *need* to bind mount /dev to /mnt/dev/ with either of those missing grub-install will not work from your chroot.
[22:46] <gigantic> so you're saying, because i'm chroot terminal is considering me root from that filesystem yeah? and that is why i don't need to /define/  sdc?
[22:46]  * timeless shrugs
[22:46] <timeless> i still have one or two systems where i need to do some fun chroot/pivot magic for
[22:46]  * timeless hasn't gotten around to them
[22:46] <wxza> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing Look through this and see if you missed something
[22:46] <timeless> (specifically, converting a RHEL-6 (??) system into ubuntu)
[22:47] <timeless> (remotely, w/o console access... -- that's going to be so much fun)
[22:47] <gigantic> timeless: yeah, essentially i'm learning all about efi at the same time as all this other stuff
[22:47] <timeless> (i'm trying to earn browny points in advance for when i actually need help w/ that adventure)
[22:47] <oerheks> converting rhel to ubuntu.. really?
[22:47] <timeless> gigantic: fun.
[22:47] <timeless> oerheks: I have 2 disks, they're equivalent, one's in use, the other is empty
[22:48] <gigantic> Jordan_U: thanks!
[22:48] <timeless> basically, "install ubuntu to disk#2, convince the boot loader to try to boot it, and fall back to booting current os-- so i don't lose the system if it fails"
[22:48] <timeless> the big wildcard is not having console access
[22:49] <timeless> (actually, i think i might have finished this stuff, but i haven't done the reboot, i can't remember how far along i am)
[22:49] <gigantic> ahh shit.. how do you get out of chroot?
[22:49] <timeless> exit.
[22:50] <gigantic> hahha
[22:50] <gigantic> thanks ;p
[22:50] <timeless> I didn't pick the RHEL. I asked the hosting provider for ubuntu, and they "tried" and "failed" and then tried "rhel" and it failed, so they replaced some stuff and *then* installed RHEL ... <grr>
[22:50] <timeless> gigantic: fwiw, i find the safest thing is having two ssh sessions
[22:50] <bmomjian> timeless: In testing I found the _netdev mount option did not fix the hang problem.  Here is a summary of my problem: http://momjian.us/tmp/nfs.txt
[22:50] <timeless> one in the chroot and one not
[22:50] <timeless> bmomjian: =(
[22:51] <bmomjian> What I did was just to disable my wifi and reboot and the hang happens right away.
[22:51] <timeless> bmomjian: i won't be any help. I'd personally find a Gnome group and ask there...
[22:51] <bmomjian> NP
[22:51] <timeless> bmomjian: is this before X starts?
[22:51] <timeless> i.e. literally just booting?
[22:51] <bmomjian> No, X starts fine.  It is when I try to use the Ubuntu menu which has links to the NFS mounts.
[22:52] <bmomjian> It boots but I have to jump to the character screen to fix it so I can boot again.
[22:52] <bmomjian> It used to work so cleanly.  :-(
[22:52] <timeless> bmomjian: /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount ?
[22:52]  * timeless wonders if there's something similar for net automount
[22:53] <timeless> that might be the right path ... https://access.redhat.com/solutions/20107
[22:53] <bmomjian> I have no such file.
[22:53] <timeless> specifically `gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_drives false`
[22:53] <timeless> but, google first to see if that's remotely current stuff
[22:54] <timeless> (rhel docs tend to be for dated stuff...)
[22:54] <timeless> good luck
[22:54]  * timeless runs
[22:54] <bmomjian> Yeah, agreed. I still want the automount when the volume is accessible.
[22:55] <gigantic> ok, jesus... from what jordan told me: should i be mounting this stuff before i chroot? or after?
[22:56] <gigantic> how come when i mount one partition it /unmounts/ another?
[22:58] <wxza> Are you trying to mount to the same directory?
[23:04] <ripdisk> d
[23:07] <happy_hacker> I have a piece of software for a VPN on Linux from my job: ps-pulse-linux-5.3r3.0-b1021-ubuntu-debian-64-bit-installer.deb
[23:08] <happy_hacker> It is requiring libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0 but I can not find it.
[23:08] <akik> what does nomodeset really do? i'm configuring an old imac that needs nomodeset to give a good picture but it looks like the radeon module does not work now
[23:08] <happy_hacker> I built a pkg for Fedora users, and got libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0 from gnucash-2.6.18-1.fc27.x86_64.rpm
[23:09] <happy_hacker> akik: https://askubuntu.com/questions/716957/what-do-the-nomodeset-quiet-and-splash-kernel-parameters-mean/716966
[23:09] <happy_hacker> akik: It that doesn't answer it for you, let us know what isn't clear.
[23:10] <akik> i know that if i use nomodeset on a intel igpu system, the igpu doesn't work
[23:10] <kostkon> !find libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
[23:12] <happy_hacker> kostkon: thanks, I didn't know about that
[23:12] <kostkon> happy_hacker, tried sudo apt-get install libwebkitgtk-1.0-0?
[23:12] <akik> happy_hacker: does nomodeset disable the radeon driver from working?
[23:12] <happy_hacker> been using Ubuntu since this morning
[23:12] <happy_hacker> kostkon: as root, without sudo
[23:14] <happy_hacker> kostkon: no, apparently I used "apt-get install libwebkitgtk" ... yours has a pkg ;)
[23:14] <onio> (23:12:21) onio1: I have problem talking to network started started with create_ap. The network created on wlan0 is 192.168.12.1 and the eth0 network is on 192.168.1.1.
[23:14] <onio> (23:12:21) onio1: 192.168.12.55 => 192.168.1.56 [ping ok]
[23:14] <onio> (23:12:21) onio1: 192.168.1.65 => 192.168.12.1 [ping ok]
[23:14] <onio> (23:12:21) onio1: 192.168.1.56 => 192.168.12.55 [ping fail]
[23:14] <gigantic> wxza:  ummm, perhaps i am.
[23:15] <akik> happy_hacker: does nomodeset disable the radeon driver from working?
[23:15] <gigantic> wxza: jordan had said "You *need* to mount your EFI System Partition to /mnt/boot/efi/, you also *need* to bind mount /dev to /mnt/dev/ with either of those missing grub-install will not work from your chroot."
[23:16] <gigantic> but i'm not sure if he meant inside the chroot or from the liveusb
[23:16] <onio> access point started with the following command ./create_ap wlan0 eth0 MyAccessPoint MyPassPhrase
[23:17] <gigantic> wxza: i think i know what he means... mount the efi vol then bind dev to the mounted vol?
[23:20] <onio> someone on this channel suggested checking subnet mask but that does not seem to solve it. I have tried setting the netmask on the 192.168.1.56 as 255.255.255.0 also tried 255.255.0.0 but all behaves the save way
[23:20] <happy_hacker> kostkon: thanks, the app installed, and I was able to use the VPN on Linux ... that's 2 distros it's now working with
[23:20] <kostkon> happy_hacker, np
[23:20] <happy_hacker> akik: I don't think you need nomodeset with Radeon.
[23:21] <supernovah> Hey for some reason I lose my environment even when using `sudo -E make install -j8` or --preserve-env
[23:21] <akik> happy_hacker: this is an old imac that gives just a garbled screen if i don't use nomodeset
[23:21] <happy_hacker> akik: Are you having a problem when booting....oh, a MAC.
[23:21] <happy_hacker> akik: I've never owned a Mac, not even used one except for repairing one for a customer.
[23:22] <akik> happy_hacker: i've never owned one either. this is for a friend
[23:22] <onio> on the wired device eth0 is using static device ip 192.168.1.56, gw 192.168.1.1 and netmask 255.255.255.0
[23:22] <happy_hacker> akik: It has a Radeon chipset in an old iMac? I'd assume it was something different.
[23:22] <akik> happy_hacker: yes radeon hd 4670
[23:22] <akik> rv730
[23:23] <happy_hacker> akik: this is just for the console until X is loaded. Once your X server is up, is everything okay?
[23:23] <akik> it's really weird. it doesn't give xorg if i don't use nomodeset
[23:24] <akik> but it's too late now. i'll continue later
[23:24] <happy_hacker> akik: Does that mean if you don't use nomodeset, you don't get an X server loaded? But if you use it, you do?
[23:24] <happy_hacker> akik: np
[23:24] <akik> happy_hacker: yes
[23:24] <happy_hacker> akik: I'm not the one to speak to Mac hardware for sure.
[23:24] <happy_hacker> akik: So, is there a problem with using nomodeset? Just Do Eet!
[23:25] <happy_hacker> whatever works...
[23:25] <akik> happy_hacker: the radeon driver doesn't work then
[23:25] <happy_hacker> What driver does it use?
[23:25] <akik> vesa/fbdev
[23:25] <akik> lshw -c video says unclaimed
[23:25] <happy_hacker> akik: When? In console, but you have a good X?
[23:26] <happy_hacker> akik: So you have Ubuntu installed on an old iMac?
[23:26] <akik> happy_hacker: it gives full hd xorg but it doesn't use radeon module
[23:26] <happy_hacker> akik: Okay, so what is the problem?
[23:26] <akik> happy_hacker: i'm tired :)
[23:27] <akik> good night
[23:27] <happy_hacker> akik: I don't mean to sound rude, but am I hearing http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem -- "I want to do X, but I'm asking how to do Y... ?
[23:27] <happy_hacker> gn
[23:27] <happy_hacker> gn Finland ;)
[23:28] <happy_hacker> kostkon: Can you give me a URL or something? I have Ubuntu <I don't know> which I installed on this laptop ... maybe last July? But never used it.
[23:28] <happy_hacker> kostkon: Is there an upgrade $PATH to get current?
[23:28] <kostkon> happy_hacker, lsb_release -a
[23:29] <kostkon> happy_hacker, will tell you the release
[23:29] <kostkon> happy_hacker, server or desktop?
[23:29] <happy_hacker> kostkon: thanks, I worked the Hades out of /etc looking for that 17.10
[23:30] <happy_hacker> kostkon: It's a Dell XPS 13 9530 laptop.
[23:30] <crised> To make a router from scratch, iptables, ufw or nftables?
[23:30] <happy_hacker> crised: iptables
[23:30] <kostkon> !manual | happy_hacker
[23:30] <happy_hacker> crised: I use it on my router. Chose to build a PC and use that as a router for my home LAN, rather than a Cisco router, to learn more.
[23:31] <gigantic> damnit..,. disconnected.
[23:31] <crised> happy_hacker: may I ask why you didn't use nftables? Should this replace iptables?
[23:32] <happy_hacker> kostkon: yea, that's it ... is that current info, though it says Getting Started with Ubuntu 16.04 and iirc Ubuntu is at 17.04?
[23:32] <kostkon> happy_hacker, 18.04. the upcoming lts release
[23:33] <oerheks> netfilter tables is a newer protocol indeed https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nftables > https://linuxnewbieguide.org/hello-nftables-goodbye-iptables/
[23:33] <happy_hacker> crised: nftables is Not Yet Ready For Primetime
[23:33] <happy_hacker> crised: Give me a minute, and I'll link you to a talk by a friend of mine. Think it was at SELF 2017.
[23:35] <duality> hi is anyone familiar with 7zip or hiding archives behind images
[23:36] <happy_hacker> crised: you can /j #Netfilter and get some discussion from experts if you like
[23:36] <Guest27245> found a 1.5gb image i know to be a 7z archive, just not sure how to open it
[23:36] <crised>  /j #Netfilter
[23:36] <happy_hacker> Guest27245: what does "file <filename>" say?
[23:37] <happy_hacker> crised: remove the space in front
[23:37] <crised> happy_hacker: thanks!
[23:37] <oerheks> Guest27245, install p7zip-full
[23:38] <oerheks> !info p7zip-full
[23:38] <happy_hacker> crised: yw; be patient for an answer there
[23:42] <Guest27245> sorry back
[23:43] <Guest27245> Temptation.png: PNG image data, 500 x 500, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
[23:43] <Guest27245> happy_hacker:
[23:45] <happy_hacker> Guest27245: PNG should display fine with many apps... Eye of MATE Image Viewer here...look in a menu under Graphics
[23:45] <Guest27245> sorry probably didnt word my question correctly, very tired, its a 1.5GB image with files hidden within archived as a .7z format
[23:46] <happy_hacker> Guest27245: oerheks answered you about 7-zip
[23:46] <Guest27245> not sure how to open it as archive manager on ubuntu doesnt work with it and not sure how to use command line 7z to open it
[23:46] <Guest27245> happy_hacker: i installed it
[23:47] <oerheks> after install, restart nautilus
[23:47] <Guest27245> will do that now
[23:49] <duality> alright back and rebooted, what now?
[23:50] <Guest84721> trying to open the file with "archive manager" simply says archive type not supported
[23:51] <oerheks> Guest84721, are you sure it is a 7z archive?
[23:51] <Guest84721> 100% no doubt
[23:52] <Guest84721> opened in the past too, so 100% its working
[23:52] <happy_hacker> Guest84721: smells like pr0n
[23:52] <Guest84721> using the 7z application on windows
[23:52] <Guest84721> probably
[23:53] <happy_hacker> 18:46:06 < happy_hacker> Guest27245: what does "file <filename>" say?
[23:53] <happy_hacker> 18:52:30 < Guest27245> Temptation.png: PNG image data, 500 x 500, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
[23:53] <happy_hacker> do those 2 ^^ go together ?
[23:53] <Guest84721> oh nvm, got it open
[23:53] <Guest84721> happy_hacker: thanks!
[23:54] <Guest84721> turns out its a combination of p0rn and source code
[23:54] <happy_hacker> happy to hack, not to crack ... say not to p0rn!
[23:54] <oerheks> keep this channel family friendly, thnx
[23:54] <happy_hacker> s/not/no
[23:55] <happy_hacker> that's about what I meant oerheks
[23:55] <Guest84721> is there anyway to open the file using a gui, as the 7z program in terminal works however not using archive manager
[23:56] <oerheks> 7z works fine here in nautilus...
[23:57] <Guest84721> actually its fine will just recompress it into a normal .7z instead of hiding behind image
[23:57] <Guest84721> thanks oerheks and happy_hacker