[00:37] <supernovah> With dpkg --list I see a package with 'un ' next to it, how do I install that properly?
[00:55] <thetoolman> hey there! I have a bit of an issue i can't seem to figure out. I've got a machine with a bunch  of drives. 2 wd reds in a raid 1 which when I write dev zero to a file on ext4 i get 157MB/s. I  have a second drive which is a seagate 4TB with ntfs. when i dd from dev zero to a file on this  one, i get 99.4MB/s. when I read that same file on the two sources, i get 170MB/s and 150MB/s.
[00:55] <thetoolman>  WhenI rsync filhes from one to the other, I get a bit less than 8MB/s. CP does the same  according to iostat. am i doing something wrong here?
[00:59] <happy_hacker> overhead
[01:04] <thetoolman> hey there! I have a bit of an issue i can't seem to figure out. I've got a machine with a bunch  of drives. 2 wd reds in a raid 1 which when I write dev zero to a file on ext4 i get 157MB/s. I  have a second drive which is a seagate 4TB with ntfs. when i dd from dev zero to a file on this  one, i get 99.4MB/s. when I read that same file on the two sources, i get 170MB/s and 150MB/s.
[01:05] <thetoolman>  WhenI rsync filhes from one to the other, I get a bit less than 8MB/s. CP does the same  according to iostat. am i doing something wrong here?
[01:05] <krytarik> !patience | thetoolman
[01:19] <mstr_> Hello
[01:19] <mstr_> I have problem with nvidia drivers and ubuntu
[01:19] <Gallarat> Hi everyone I'm new to this
[01:19] <Gallarat> I bet everyone is a hacker is here :D
[01:19] <Butterfly_> mstr_ : be more specific, which problems?
[01:19] <mstr_> I have full disk encryption and during start-up the keyboard is not working when I use nvidia drivers instead of xorg
[01:20] <Butterfly_> Gallarat : hardly
[01:20] <mstr_> @Butterfly ^
[01:20] <shpx> ubuntu 17.10, when I hold Escape key during boot to bring up GRUB menu, it brings up the GRUB command line prompt instead. If I enter the `normal` command, I see a black on purple rectangle for a few seconds then the regular ubuntu install boots.
[01:20] <shpx> https://askubuntu.com/questions/381613/how-to-return-from-grub-prompt-to-the-grub-menu doesn't seem to have been answered
[01:21] <shpx> as in there's at least one guy in the comments for whom the normal command does the same thing
[01:23] <shpx> I just want to change my password.
[01:24] <startupdisk> has anyone here ever tested the usb startup disk tool
[01:24] <startupdisk> looks like maybe they let their hamster do it
[01:24] <startupdisk> because if i try to change the iso, it wont
[01:24] <startupdisk> it opens up set to one i used previously
[01:25] <startupdisk> and when i select "other" and find another iso, it wont change
[01:25] <Butterfly_> have you tried rebooting startupdisk ?
[01:25] <shpx> still boots regular ubuntu install if I constantly hit the down arrow, so doesn't seem like it's just failing to draw the grub menu
[01:25] <startupdisk> no, what is that?
[01:26] <startupdisk> i just find it worrying
[01:26] <startupdisk> i remember before the installer had UI issues, where you would get stuck
[01:26] <startupdisk> it's as if nobody cares
[01:27] <startupdisk> wait, that is what im using
[01:27] <startupdisk> the "startup creation tool"
[01:27] <startupdisk> try it in 16.04.4
[01:27] <startupdisk> it has a UI bug
[01:27] <startupdisk> a glaringly obviously, would have been caught with modest automated testing, bug
[01:28] <guiverc> startupdisk, if you care, why not join the project and help them out.
[01:28] <startupdisk> i do, i would devote time to it some day
[01:28] <startupdisk> not today
[01:28] <startupdisk> oh and rebooting?
[01:28] <startupdisk> no way
[01:28] <Butterfly_> instead of devoting time to complain, devote time in fixing it :)
[01:28] <startupdisk> that's not a solution
[01:29] <startupdisk> okay, well it starts with a complaint
[01:29] <startupdisk> testing is just as valuable as development
[01:29] <startupdisk> and the feedback is the complaint
[01:29] <startupdisk> like it or not
[01:29] <Butterfly_> personally i have not seen that issue occur
[01:29] <startupdisk> you're entitled to your own opinion
[01:29] <startupdisk> it's picking up the ubuntu liveboot iso
[01:29] <startupdisk> even if i rename it
[01:29] <diginaut> I attempted to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 beta
[01:29] <startupdisk> so do i have to delete it?
[01:29] <guiverc> complaint here is not helpful; you need to file a bug; have you?
[01:29] <diginaut> now everything is wrecked mid upgrade
[01:29] <startupdisk> why has someone overcomplicated what should be a simple piece of software
[01:30] <startupdisk> that's the issue, and surely someone would have recognised it
[01:30] <startupdisk> like i said, you guys had messed up installers with basic UI bugs years ago, id come back to ubuntu and see the same years later
[01:30] <startupdisk> it's a general complaint about standards and teting
[01:30] <startupdisk> *testing
[01:30] <diginaut> I think Ubuntu's quality has wained
[01:30] <startupdisk> but overall it's a nice distro
[01:30] <startupdisk> but yeah i agree, at least i have someone to back me
[01:30] <diginaut> so many bugs in 16.04
[01:30] <startupdisk> i had considered moving to 16.04
[01:30] <Gallarat> I agree
[01:30] <diginaut> that's why I was trying to upgrade
[01:31] <startupdisk> i think the real problem is that these days there are so many idiots who think they can code
[01:31] <startupdisk> no wonder people like torvalds are so vocal
[01:31] <Gallarat> yes
[01:31] <oerheks> "messed up installers with basic UI bugs years ago".. hard words, not true
[01:31] <startupdisk> it is
[01:31] <startupdisk> i experienced it
[01:31] <startupdisk> where you would get stuck and could not continue
[01:31] <oerheks> i think you make some basic mistake, not really an ubuntu bug.
[01:31] <startupdisk> in a basic installer, wwith a linear user path
[01:31] <startupdisk> okay
[01:31] <startupdisk> it's a bug, in software, that ships with ubuntu
[01:32] <startupdisk> and highly represents ubuntu
[01:32] <startupdisk> because it's the user experience
[01:32] <startupdisk> and if you dont care about that, why make the claims you do on the website
[01:32] <Butterfly_> how long you gonna keep on ranting startupdisk ? :)
[01:32] <oerheks> startupdisk, file a bugreport, going on ranting in here is useless
[01:32] <startupdisk> ill stop now
[01:32] <startupdisk> my point is
[01:32] <oerheks> thanks
[01:32] <startupdisk> stop making things more complicated than they need to be please
[01:32] <Butterfly_> the point is clear, file a bug report
[01:32] <startupdisk> this doesn't need to search for the ubuntu iso, i want to use it for memtest
[01:33] <startupdisk> i have another iso in my downloads folder
[01:33] <startupdisk> no option to configure this, no sign of what is going on
[01:33] <startupdisk> in a basic tool
[01:33] <startupdisk> anyway, im out
[01:33] <startupdisk> up your game, stop letting millenials do your work for you
[01:33] <startupdisk> maybe better code review practices
[01:34] <oerheks> startupdisk, now stop.
[01:34] <startupdisk> or do you need a strong leader to take the reigns
[01:34] <startupdisk> probably so
[01:34] <startupdisk> okay oerheks
[01:34] <startupdisk> im done, i said my bit
[01:34] <startupdisk> but i will be back, until the day i die
[01:34] <startupdisk> until you sort your shit out :)
[01:34] <Gallarat> I totally agree with you startupdisk
[01:34] <startupdisk> or just cease to exist, whichever happens first
[01:34] <startupdisk> thank Gallarat
[01:34] <startupdisk> someone ought to say it
[01:34] <Gallarat> yes
[01:34] <oerheks> yeah, go on ranting..
[01:35] <startupdisk> noobs, everywhere
[01:35] <Butterfly_> 700 distros out there, pick one that suits you best
[01:35] <startupdisk> you need A: more OCD
[01:35] <startupdisk> and B: more aspergers
[01:35] <oerheks> hit more enter please
[01:35] <startupdisk> o
[01:35] <startupdisk> k
[01:35] <startupdisk> because you took mark zuckerbergs code class
[01:35] <startupdisk> doesn't quality you to make a distro
[01:36] <startupdisk> or write a startup disk tool
[01:36] <startupdisk> that is a piece of shit
[01:36] <startupdisk> i'll do it manually
[01:36] <oerheks> !ops | stop startupdisk please
[01:36] <startupdisk> i just want to say
[01:36] <startupdisk> you should be ashamed
[01:36] <Butterfly_> why is it always the webclient users that go on such rants
[01:39] <shpx> should I be reposting every few h\\
[01:39] <shpx> hours* or will someone likely see it?
[01:40] <Gallarat> reposting what?
[01:40] <Butterfly_> shpx : might be good to repost after that rant that just happened
[01:40] <guiverc> shpx, if you mean in this room; I'd say yes (if rants like just occurred go on, people may stop reading back), but don't re-post it too often or you'll annoy people who re-see it.
[01:41] <shpx> I'm on Ubuntu 17.10, when I hold Escape key during boot to bring up GRUB menu, it brings up the GRUB command line prompt instead. If I enter the `normal` command, I see a black on purple rectangle for a few seconds then the regular ubuntu install boots (I know that GRUB boots if you're idle for a certain amount of time, but this happens even if I'm mashing the arrow keys on the black rectangle).
[01:41] <shpx> there's two guys in the comments of https://askubuntu.com/questions/381613/how-to-return-from-grub-prompt-to-the-grub-menu for whom the normal command does the same thing
[01:41] <shpx> I just want to change my password.
[01:41] <Bashing-om> shpx: If this is a legacy machine vice EFI, it is a shift key that grub looks for at boot .
[01:42] <shpx> shift key does nothing, but let me double check that
[01:42] <oerheks> shpx, did you try Shift + ESC to go back?
[01:43] <shpx> yes
[01:44] <shpx> correction, shift key also draws the black square on a purple background before booting regular ubuntu
[01:46] <shpx> shift-esc on the grub cli prints a new prompt line, like regular escape
[01:47] <bugzbunny> shpx: It's a bug that has been fixed and it's already in updates
[01:51] <Gallarat> bye everyone
[01:53] <shpx> bugzbunny: nice. I can't update because I'm doing this because I seem to have broken my sshd config by adding some x11 options to it. And "forgotten" my password. Is my best bet to make a bootable 17.10 (or some other distro) USB and go from there?
[01:55] <bugzbunny> And chroot and reset your password, yes
[01:56] <oerheks> you could do that from your current install, see
[01:56] <oerheks> !password
[02:02] <shpx> oerheks: but how do I boot to rescue mode from the grub cli?
[02:14] <Mr_Cyclops> e
[02:14] <Mr_Cyclops> sorry, typo
[02:19] <tripelb> new ubuntu 16.04 install with cinnamon. How can I make gmail on chrome be the default mail app. In system settings when I click on Thunderbird (downarrow) there are no alternatives.
[02:21] <happy_hacker> I want to see https://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=BMX&product=NCR&overlay=11101111&loop=yes because of tornado activity
[02:21] <happy_hacker> it requires adobe flash, and I can't seem to get it
[02:21] <happy_hacker> no, it does not play in Chromium, either
[02:22] <Butterfly_> works fine in firefox here
[02:22] <happy_hacker> so how for here?
[02:22] <Butterfly_> https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[02:23] <luxio> Does Ubuntu have a firewall by default?
[02:23] <happy_hacker> The address wasn’t understood
[02:23] <leftyfb> tripelb: https://askubuntu.com/questions/182440/how-to-make-gmail-open-when-clicking-mailto-links-in-the-same-browser-it-is-cli
[02:23] <happy_hacker> apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner
[02:23] <happy_hacker> Firefox doesn’t know how to open this address, because one of the following protocols (apt) isn’t associated with any program or is not allowed in this context.
[02:23] <leftyfb> luxio: not enabled
[02:24] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: that link opened up in both chrome and firefox for me, no problem
[02:25] <happy_hacker> again, I'm not there
[02:25] <leftyfb> you're not where?
[02:25] <pragmaticenigma> luxio, yes, Ubuntu comes with "ufw" enable by default
[02:26] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: there are no rules enabled which would affect traffic
[02:26] <oerheks> ufw without rules
[02:26] <oerheks> install gufw, and enable it with the gui
[02:26] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: "works for me" is never helpful
[02:26] <pragmaticenigma> true, but I thought it was enabled on first boot. just to be permissive
[02:26] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[02:26] <oerheks> !ufw | or take a read ..
[02:27] <happy_hacker> 17.10
[02:27] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: enable the multiverse repo and install flashplugin-installer
[02:27] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: or just use chrome
[02:27] <happy_hacker> Ubuntu 17.10
[02:27] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: 21:30:54 < happy_hacker> no, it does not play in Chromium, eithe
[02:27] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: chromium != chrome
[02:27] <happy_hacker> 'correct
[02:28] <happy_hacker> one's open source, one's not
[02:28] <leftyfb> and your options are still, install flash like I mentioned about or install chrome
[02:28] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: and you dont get it
[02:28] <leftyfb> about/above*
[02:28] <happy_hacker> it won't install like you said
[02:28] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: give me a link I can use in CLI with apt-get
[02:28] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: what error did you get when you tried installing like I said?
[02:29] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: enable the multiverse repo and install flashplugin-installer
[02:29] <happy_hacker> ok, how to enable the multiverse?
[02:29]  * happy_hacker stopped watching Arrow to come get this
[02:29] <leftyfb> open the software sources app
[02:29] <Mr_Cyclops> e
[02:29] <oerheks> enable partner repo, update, and install flash.. or install the restricted extras metapackage
[02:29] <leftyfb> sorry, software & updates
[02:29] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: I dont know about apps ... do you know how to do this in CLI?
[02:30] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: you don't know how to hit the start key on your keyboard and type in "software & updates"?
[02:30] <Cyber_Akuma> Every implementation of VNC I can find for Ubuntu seems to be CLI-based and creates an alternate desktop or something along those lines to use it. Is there any GUI-based VNC server for Ubuntu that just simply streams a video of your current desktop and lets you control the mouse/keyboard rather than acting like a remote user login?
[02:30] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: it's not windows; I don' have a start key; it's mate
[02:31] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: on the keyboard
[02:31] <leftyfb> hit the <SUPER> ky
[02:31] <leftyfb> key*
[02:31] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: does nothing
[02:31] <leftyfb> oh right, gnome shell
[02:31] <Cyber_Akuma> Try removing the kryptonite from your keyboard
[02:32] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:32] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: make sure there's a line that's got xenial-updates multiverse
[02:32] <leftyfb> er
[02:32] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: make sure there's a line that's got artful-updates multiverse
[02:32] <happy_hacker> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful multivers ?
[02:32] <leftyfb> with an e
[02:32] <leftyfb> not -src
[02:33] <leftyfb> multiverse with an e at the end and not the line that starts with deb-src, just deb
[02:33] <happy_hacker> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful multiverse and deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful-updates multiverse  already uncommented
[02:34] <leftyfb> ok, sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[02:34] <luxio> are there any graphical frontends to ufw?
[02:34] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: thanks, I wasn't spelling it right earlier I guess
[02:34] <oerheks> !info gufw
[02:34] <oerheks> gufw does not work in the wayland session, AFAIK
[02:35] <leftyfb> silly wayland
[02:35] <luxio> oerheks: yeah I was confused since I was clicking on it and it didn't run
[02:35] <leftyfb> should have never been made default
[02:35] <luxio> i hear rumors that ubuntu 18 is ditching wayland?
[02:35] <oerheks> switch to xorg on login, set it, and return to wayland :-)
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> luxio, no I think you're thinking of Mir
[02:35] <oerheks> not ditching, just not default, as it is LTS
[02:35] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: thanks for the help
[02:36] <happy_hacker> wayland is Not Yet Ready For Prime Time
[02:37] <leftyfb> happy_hacker: you've got "hacker" in your nick, prefer CLI and refuse to use anything not OSS and are aware of what wayland is yet you couldn't figure out how to edit your sources list and install flash?
[02:37] <pragmaticenigma> more information on wayland and ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland
[02:46] <luxio> what's the nmap command to show open ports on my system? nmap 127.0.0.1? or does that show open ports on the router?
[02:48] <oerheks> nmap 192.168.X.0/24
[02:48] <leftyfb> sudo nmap -P0 localhost
[02:48] <leftyfb> luxio: open ports on your local machine or your entire network?
[02:49] <luxio> local machine
[02:49] <leftyfb> luxio: ok, see my previous post
[02:49] <luxio> why doesn't it show port 80 open?
[02:50] <leftyfb> luxio: sudo lsof -i :80
[02:50] <leftyfb> luxio: if nothing shows after running lsof, then nothing is listening on port 80
[02:50] <Kyhwana> luxio: netstat is what you want
[03:09] <lavinho> good night
[03:10] <lavinho> how to put scroll functiona magic mouse 2 on ubuntu 17.10 ?
[03:21] <happy_hacker> leftyfb: just started using Ubuntu today, sorry for being ignorant of gooey land ;)
[03:30] <_nedR> hello, my nvidia driver doesn't install properly on my laptop with dual graphics optimus causing overheating, etc.. I am on 14.04
[03:31] <_nedR> i tried several drivers including ubuntu proprietary , also from https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[03:31] <_nedR> several version 340 384 390
[03:32] <_nedR> i believe nvidia is not installing properly because nvidia-smi command is missing; also when i try to change graphics to nvidia via nvidia-settings, after logout login it still shows intel
[03:32] <_nedR> also another clue is when i run dpkg -p nvidia-390; this line mentions "Conflicts: nvidia-persistenced, nvidia-smi, xorg-driver-binary"
[03:33] <_nedR> what could be causing conflict and how can i fix it
[03:35] <Bashing-om> _nedR: Who knows ? Let's take a look at what is .. and clean and try again . Pastebin the output of ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' to get an idea of what is going on .
[04:06] <_nedR> Bashing-om, So  sorry i didn't see your message... here is dpkg -l output : https://pastebin.com/GeSYGLFZ
[04:08] <Bashing-om> _nedR: look'n .
[04:11] <eraserpencil> How do i get the source code of packages in the main repo
[04:12] <Bashing-om> _nedR: Humm .. I see nothing perturbing there . Is this an EFI system and if so is secure boot disabled ?
[04:12] <_nedR> Bashing-om, yes secure boot is disabled
[04:12] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: you can find the source code in the launchpad website
[04:13] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: what package's source code are you looking for?
[04:13] <eraserpencil> phoenix_firebrd: some ROS packages.
[04:13] <Bashing-om> Use the command apt source <package> (don't use sudo with it) to download the source of a package.
[04:14] <_nedR> Bashing-om, again i am on 14.04.. iirc i was on nvidia-340 before this but i saw nvidia 384 in additional drivers and installed it .. thats when this whole issue started.. after that trying going back to old drivers going to 390 nothing worked
[04:14] <eraserpencil> There isnt an arm version of the packages, hence I thought I might attempt cross-compilation with a provided toolchain
[04:16] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: For example in case of the software intel-vaapi-driver, you could find the respective launchpad website, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver
[04:17] <blixon> just finished installing ubuntu on the fios network, but dpkg isn't working what gives?
[04:19] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: in that you will see the list of packages along with the ubuntu version, click on anyone of them, it will take you to another page, there you will find the downloads section. This section contains a copy of the  original source code along with diff and stuff
[04:19] <Bashing-om> _nedR: Let's pirge and start a;; pver as secire boot is disabled , See what happens ' sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' Allow the system to choose the driver to install .
[04:20] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: also try this command "apt-get source <package>"
[04:21] <supernovah> Hey I'm running this `tar -tjf` to verify a tarball isn't corrupted (or incomplete) and it exists with error code 2 as expected, its deliberately been corrupted to test with. But using `2>&1 > /dev/null` is not supressing the stderr, why is that?
[04:21] <supernovah> the full command is `tar -tjf ./packages/gcc-4.1.2.tar.bz2 2>&1 > /dev/null`
[04:22] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: for the above said example you need to find the ubuntu package name for the application, in case the above example its i965-va-driver, hence the command would be "sudo apt-get source i965-va-driver"
[04:23] <eraserpencil> phoenix_firebrd: thanks! that seems easier
[04:23] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: yw
[04:25] <phoenix_firebrd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1756459
[04:26] <phoenix_firebrd> Where can I see the progress on the above bug?
[04:27] <ghoti> So .. if I've paid for content on YouTube, should I be able to download it using `youtube-dl`, by supplying my username and password and going through my 2fa challenge?
[04:27] <ghoti> I seem to be getting redirected to a different (related) video.
[04:31] <ballista> hey supernovah there is a couple of ways to exhaust the Stderr, maybe you can use grep over the stdout like this tar -xvf file.tar.bz2 2>&1 | grep "something"
[04:34] <phoenix_firebrd> ghoti: you need to checkout youtube's terms and conditions and also the license type and permission for use of the uploader. If all allows you to download, you can
[04:35] <za1b1tsu> installing polybar on ubuntu is a real pain, any alternatives? I'm looking for a customizable bar that is easy to configure
[04:36] <acetakwas> How do I make every command start at the next line like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn3cmt3pB9g
[04:36] <phoenix_firebrd> ghoti: basically, what I heard is that you can play any video with software, but cannot download and store, but you need to verify this before doing anything
[04:37] <phoenix_firebrd> acetakwas: looks nice indeed
[04:38] <phoenix_firebrd> acetakwas: I think you need to edit the bash config i guess
[04:38] <phoenix_firebrd> acetakwas: may be the prompt message I guess. lets me try to find out
[04:39] <ballista> phoenix i've heard that Clipgrab can also download from youtube. Is this legal to use ?
[04:41] <phoenix_firebrd> acetakwas: I think you need to edit the parameter PS1 in .bashrc let me confirm first
[04:42] <acetakwas> phoenix_firebrd::  I am thinking the same thing. But not sure how to go about that.
[04:43] <ghoti> phoenix_firebrd: The only purpose of `youtube-dl` is to download and store. Do you know if there's a way to have it do a better job of emulating the browser, perhaps?
[04:43] <ghoti> There's a redirect going on, and I don't know if it's because youtube-dl is failing to tell YouTube that it's a streaming player, or if YouTube is somehow recognizing the request as not-a-browser-or-app, etc.
[04:45] <happy_hacker> acetakwas: is it what he mentions?  https://github.com/Bash-it/bash-it
[04:45] <acetakwas> happy_hacker::  I suppose so.
[04:46] <Ethan_> anybody here?
[04:47] <acetakwas> phoenix_firebrd::  Someone said (in a different channel) to do this:  PS1="$PS1"$'\n $ '
[04:47] <Ethan_> I have a question about snap. I can not input chinese in snap firefox. Somebody help me?
[04:47] <phoenix_firebrd> ghoti: youtube-dl was created so that smaplayer can play youtube videos, but later on it was used to even download videos
[04:47] <phoenix_firebrd> ghoti: regarding the redirects, we need to check that
[04:47] <phoenix_firebrd> ghoti: if you don't mind can you give me the url of the video that you are talking about
[04:48] <phoenix_firebrd> ghoti: If its a youtube red video, then it cannot be downloaded
[04:49] <BelaDona> everyone here is realish
[04:49] <phoenix_firebrd> acetakwas: I test with the ps1 parameter with the file in bash.bashrc in /etc. not working, need to check more
[04:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Ethan_: the respective channel to ask is #snappy
[04:50] <ballista> phoenix_firebird in fact youtube red allows 30 days to watch without connection
[04:51] <eraserpencil> phoenix_firebrd: what if the package is in a private repo?
[04:51] <eraserpencil> how do i access the code?
[04:51] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: I guess using there own youtube app?
[04:52] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: even then they have to upload the source code so that i will be compiled to a package
[04:52] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: thats the way packaging works
[04:53] <acetakwas> phoenix_firebrd::  Okay.
[04:53] <eraserpencil> hmmm.. theres a package i successfully installed on Saturday. Now I'm on a new computer and trying to install the package gives me a long list of unmet dependencies
[04:54] <ballista> phoenix_firebrd a phone or a tablet, I don't know the status of other devices however
[04:54] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: It could be a broken package causing the dependency issue
[04:55] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: If you are familiar with aptitude, use it to find out the broken package or fix the issue, usually muon shows the broken packages
[04:55] <eraserpencil> I've been using aptitude all the way
[04:56] <eraserpencil> maybe it got removed?
[04:56] <ghoti> phoenix_firebrd: okay, it is indeed a youtube video. I suppose youtube-dl is just being careful to uphold YT's terms and conditions. Plays just fine in the browser, and I was hoping youtube-dl once authenticated would have the same access to content as the browser. Ah well.
[04:57] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: As for as I know the google allows "Downloading" the video using their respective apps like google music, youtube, what they actually do is cache the full video.
[04:57] <ballista> speaking of packages, i wanted to use brasero to write a linux install disc, so i ran apt-get install brasero, it gaves me headaches when i saw systemd lurking around in the dependancies?? what the hell is that ?
[04:59] <phoenix_firebrd> ghoti: I am havent used youtube-dl to authenticate and download any video, but If youtube-dl has that feature and you are able to authenticate and its getting redirected, then you could debug it
[05:00] <ron__> coucou
[05:01] <ballista> what happened on the next reboot, since udev was upgraded, my debian machine now wait for the network to be up even if it's down.
[05:01] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: did apt-get wanted you to install or remove systemd?. I think systemd is a default package which comes with ubuntu during installation. What version of ubuntu are you using
[05:02] <TheGoose_> So I just installed Kubuntu 16.04 and I can't get any audio through my headphone amp. Any help? I've checked like 6 threads with the same issue and nothing has helped
[05:02] <phoenix_firebrd> TheGoose_: what soundcard model?
[05:02] <TheGoose_> The amp or card?
[05:03] <mstr_> ls
[05:03] <TheGoose_> I believe the card would just be my Intel Card
[05:03] <ballista> phoenix i'm not using ubuntu but a debian-based distro, i'm just here to ask and help!
[05:03] <TheGoose_> I also have an Nvidia GPU plugged in that might be routing through
[05:04] <TheGoose_> Ill post some pastes
[05:04] <ghoti> phoenix_firebrd: yes, I'll have a closer look at it, and perhaps also compare packet dumps of a "successful browser playback" vs "failed youtube-dl invocation". FWIW, the download attempt results in both "WARNING: Unable to submit TFA code: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error" and "WARNING: Unable to extract CheckCookie URL" before the redirect.
[05:05] <ballista> phoenix by the way it's nice here
[05:05] <TheGoose_> Here is a few pastes with info https://paste.debian.net/1015642/
[05:06] <TheGoose_> I also seem to have found a locked file here, but not sure the best way to resolve it: https://paste.debian.net/1015644/
[05:07] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: can you give me the list of dependency that are asked to install or remove?
[05:08] <phoenix_firebrd> ghoti: can you give me the url so that I can too check?
[05:08] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: ya its nice here, I too feel the same
[05:10] <ballista> phoenix it's a lot i don't remember, maybe a sub-dependency of a dependancy, i read packages.debian.org/sid/brasero, next time i'll try the command-line instead of a graphical interface
[05:10] <phoenix_firebrd> TheGoose_: did you check whether your intel sound card is used and not the hdmi sound sink that comes with the nvidia gpu?
[05:12] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: you can get familiar with aptitude and use it to get the dependency issue sorted
[05:12] <ballista> phoenix in every day use, i don't like GUIs, but that time, it was urgent
[05:12] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: ok
[05:13] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: what distro are you on?
[05:15] <lfb_> hello
[05:15] <phoenix_firebrd> lfb_: hi
[05:16] <ballista> phoenix on the laptop linuxbbq cardboard and slackware 14.2 on the desktop
[05:17] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: on which distro are you having this problem?
[05:18] <ballista> phoenix on the linuxbbq one
[05:23] <ballista> phoenix I think ubuntu is linux right out of the box. Me I need something more technical, it doesn't mean that ubuntu isn't useful. In fact, ubuntu is the power to successfully abandon win 10. The trend is fast-pacing. Only the IT admin are so afraid to change their habits
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> ballista: we only support ubuntu issues here and stay ontopic please
[05:24] <ballista> true but he was asking me
[05:25] <phoenix_firebrd> acetakwas: I can confirm changing the ps1 parameter in .bashrc changes the prompty
[05:26] <acetakwas> phoenix_firebrd::  Cool. In the meantime, I have gone with this: https://github.com/Bash-it/bash-it/wiki/Themes
[05:26] <phoenix_firebrd> acetakwas: Its just you need to find the correct .bashrc and the correct ps1 parameter used in your usecase
[05:26] <phoenix_firebrd> acetakwas: cool, check this out too. https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html
[05:28] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: ya, I havent heard of the linuxbbq, I will check it out some time later
[05:28] <_nedR> Bashing-om, hi sorry again for delay..(work-related stuff) thanks for taking time to help me..
[05:28] <ballista> phoenix beware they are not X11 friendly
[05:29] <_nedR> ok i am purging nvidia and xorg.. should i restart before installing new drivers?
[05:29] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: like there are using wayland?
[05:29] <Bashing-om> _nedR: All good now ? what driver did the system choose ? ( do we need to look at the hardware ?)
[05:30] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: If you are very sure you will be able to access atleast the terminal then it is better to restart, although if its a server you need to take care of the downtime
[05:30] <Bashing-om> _nedR: restart after installing the driver ( autoinstall ) .
[05:31] <_nedR> Bashing-om, ok.. one thing it says xorg.conf not found.. looking at dir i have bunch of files like xorg.conf.02252018
[05:31] <ballista> phoenix_ no they have no x releases
[05:32] <phoenix_firebrd> ballista: ok
[05:32] <Bashing-om> _nedR: In an optimus system that file is required, and the nvidia driver install will build a new one .
[05:34] <gde33> surely updating shouldn't require editing files? what am I doing wrong?
[05:35] <gde33> end of life?
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> gde33: ubuntu version?
[05:35] <gde33> lubuntu, I have no idea what version.
[05:36] <gde33> it is trying to use the zeisty thing I think
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> gde33: lsb_release -a from terminal plz
[05:36] <gde33> 17.04
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> gde33: yes its end of life mate
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> gde33: choose a supported version from topic to install
[05:37] <gde33> what is that suppose to mean something to me?
[05:38] <gde33> I find webpages that suggest I edit source list but those lines are commented out
[05:38] <gde33> and one page that suggests switching to another terminally ill build that will die in 9 months?
[05:39] <gde33> not very amusing
[05:39] <gde33> the error when trying to update is down right stupid
[05:39] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: the problem is before installation or during installation?
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> gde33: if you need stable ubuntu experience choose and LTS next time?
[05:40] <gde33> network not available? that is the best help one can get?
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | gde33
[05:40] <gde33> why are those links (or even the text behind those links) not in the dialog?
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> gde33: ubuntu doesnt know what the user chooses
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> gde33: when you install a non-lts version you agreed 9 months support right?
[05:42] <gde33> I dunno, I just install lubuntu and use it
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> gde33: i strongly suggest a fresh install of a supported version
[05:43] <gde33> this just makes me laugh "The advantage of upgrading is that you get to keep your current configuration as is. This is often desirable on production environments which you want to keep as stable as possible"
[05:43] <gde33> lotuspsychje: what does supported mean at this point?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> gde33: yes, 'if' the user upgrades before his system goes EOL
[05:43] <gde33> 9 months?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> gde33: supported means the versions in our topic
[05:44] <Bashing-om> gde33: LTS == Long Term Support  == 5 years .
[05:45] <gde33> oh ok, that seems more reasonable
[05:46] <gde33> I think ill just not upgrade or update for now. Thanks.
[05:46] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: wait
[05:46] <gde33> ill be here 24/7
[05:46] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: they are just saying official support
[05:47] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: It doesnt mean that you can't upgrade to a newer one
[05:47] <ghoti> phoenix_firebrd: if you haven't purchased the content, I wouldn't expect download *or* playback to work at all. Do you have any purchased content in your YouTube library to test with?
[05:47] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: its just that you need to do some little more stuff
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> phoenix_firebrd: upgrading from an eol has also security risks
[05:48] <gde33> lotuspsychje: how does that compare to never upgrading or updating anything?
[05:48] <gde33> I'm only half joking
[05:48] <phoenix_firebrd> lotuspsychje: agree, but what If it has to be done to satisfy the need, we need to help
[05:50] <harrse> you need to be identified with services
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> phoenix_firebrd: yes i agree we need to help our best, but mentioning !usn is also important on eol systems
[05:50] <gde33> no doubt a lot of thought and effort went into the new version or shall we say this eol thing. The "help, the internet is gone!" dialog doesn't reflect this.
[05:50] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: If its in case of a advanced user, they dont care about the official support, they just do stuff and upgrade. If you have a full backup like a drive image backup, you can try with less worry
[05:51] <phoenix_firebrd> lotuspsychje: ok
[05:51] <harrse> what does it mean 'you need to be identified with services'?
[05:53] <phoenix_firebrd> harrse: where do you see that?
[05:54] <harrse> when i try to join a channel named '#aircrack-ng'
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> gde33: you agree the user itself is responsable of his own system and not ubuntu?
[05:55] <gde33> lotuspsychje: sure
[05:55] <phoenix_firebrd> harrse: It could be a closed channel, that need membership/password to join
[05:56] <gde33> lotuspsychje: but... what if I answer that question with "network not available"? wouldn't that be... lame?
[05:56] <harrse> phoenix_firebrd: oops then. :D
[05:57] <phoenix_firebrd> harrse: I just tested by joining that channel, I have no issues, may the message you received is related to the nick you are using
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> gde33: if your system goes eol, it means packages are outdated, and a security risk to the internet...yes that can mean network not available
[06:01] <gde33> lotuspsychje: its not possible to make a nice end of life dialog?
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> gde33: create a !bug for wish
[06:02] <gde33> k, ill do that
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> gde33: its surely an interesting idea
[06:04] <Kartagis> ohai
[06:04] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: you could be possibly waiting for more than 10 years to get the bug fixed :'D
[06:05] <Kartagis> how can I skip copying /etc/skel?
[06:05] <ShriHari> GDE33 whats goin on
[06:05] <gde33> phoenix_firebrd: thats entirely acceptable. 10 years from now it will still be stupid. lol
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> ShriHari: please only use this for ubuntu support
[06:07] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/307268
[06:07] <ShriHari> !poke
[06:07] <gde33> phoenix_firebrd: time to polish it with graphics etc. A nice animated bomb with a clock counting down.
[06:08] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33: that bug was filed by me in 2008, still no action on it
[06:09] <phoenix_firebrd> gde33:  :)
[06:09] <gde33> phoenix_firebrd: someone did say something 7 years ago, that inspires confidence.
[06:11] <gde33> afk
[06:11] <Kartagis> what does set -xv mean? some post on linuxquestions.org suggests it to avoid cannot allocate memory issue
[06:16] <RezaIR> Hi
[06:17] <RezaIR> hi hi
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> RezaIR: welcome how can we help you?
[06:19] <_nedR> Bashing-om, it seemed to have installed the same driver as before
[06:20] <phoenix_firebrd> Kartagis: in which command?
[06:20] <_nedR> Bashing-om, 390.25 (additional drivers calls it opensource but it isn't really i suppose) .. i might add that i think that 390 is from the ppa since before adding ppa additional drivers showed only 387 or 384
[06:21] <_nedR> Bashing-om, btw the problem hasn't seemed to have subsided... nvidia-smi is missing.. laptop running hot at 84 degree right now on idle
[06:21] <_nedR> PSA fuck nvidia fuck optimus
[06:21] <Ben64> watch the language here please
[06:22] <_nedR> oh ok sorry...
[06:22] <Ben64> how do you know it's at 84
[06:22] <Kartagis> phoenix_firebrd: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/unable-to-fork-cannot-allocate-memory-even-10gb-ram-free-4175581011/ is the post. I thought set -xv could be used in general
[06:22] <Kartagis> phoenix_firebrd: in my case, I'm running linkchecker
[06:23] <_nedR> Ben64, using psensor app.. it says for Physical id 0 it is 84 degree
[06:23] <Kartagis> !language > _nedR
[06:24] <Ben64> _nedR: idk if that's necessarily accurate
[06:24] <_nedR> sorry for language ... but nvidia, and ubuntu have been giving me grief over dual-graphics for about 10 years at this point.. i am pretty sure that ubuntu killed my previous dell laptop with heat
[06:25] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: Even though I dont agree with you on the language, I agree with your feeling, Its the same feeling all of us have as a developer and a user
[06:25] <_nedR> Ben64, i dunno , is there another app i could try? hmm.. it seems fairly accurate.. my laptop shutsdown anyway i presume due to overheating... (psensor has gone upto 97 degrees)
[06:25] <Ben64> hmm... my laptop on 16.04 got 4.15 kernel today, desktop on 16.04 still on 4.13
[06:26] <Kartagis> _nedR: you could use nouveau, nvidia open source equivalent
[06:26] <Ben64> _nedR: oh well if it's shutting down then it could be. what's the system specs?
[06:27] <Ben64> oh, it's in xenial-proposed for now
[06:27] <_nedR> Ben64, bargain-basement acer laptop intel i5-3317u , 4gb ram, nvidia 620m gt
[06:28] <Ben64> _nedR: so is '0' the CPU?
[06:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Kartagis: nouveau causes crashes often, not recommend, but officially, you need to support it.
[06:28] <_nedR> Kartagis, nouveau? i have heard bad things about that one... how does one install nouveau on an nvidia-optimus system? its on intel currently anyway
[06:29] <Kartagis> phoenix_firebrd: didn't cause crash for me
[06:29] <phoenix_firebrd> Kartagis: ok
[06:30] <Kartagis> phoenix_firebrd: whay say you about set -xv ?
[06:31] <_nedR> Ben64, this is my screenshot of psensor : https://imgur.com/a/mLdpb
[06:31] <Ben64> gross!
[06:32] <_nedR> Ben64, lol do u mean the ui or my system ? :D
[06:32] <Ben64> time to open it up and clean it out, and replace the thermal interface between the components and the cooling system
[06:32] <Ben64> i mean the temps
[06:33] <_nedR> Ben64, i tried that about year back not much dust.. only thing i didnt do was try opening the heatsink and apply thermal paste.. seemed too risky ...
[06:33] <_nedR> again i am 90% this is due to nvidia drivers ... not dust
[06:34] <phoenix_firebrd> Kartagis: Where did you come across this, I just checked the man pages of linkchecker, nothing specific about -xv given, I could be a undocumented parameter used by a sub app/program used by linkchecker
[06:34] <phoenix_firebrd> Kartagis: I need to check it out
[06:35] <_nedR> interesting thing to note is the absense of my gpu temps in psensor app ... i found another screenshot randomly on the internet showing my gpu model
[06:35] <_nedR> https://i.stack.imgur.com/7kwJQ.png
[06:35] <Ben64> _nedR: nvidia drivers aren't going to make your cpu hot
[06:35] <_nedR> So i am assuming my gpu doesn't show due to the incorrectly installed drivers
[06:35] <Kartagis> phoenix_firebrd: I don't think -xv is a parameter of linkchecker, I've never come across that
[06:35] <Kartagis> phoenix_firebrd: I was talking about set
[06:35] <Kartagis> set(1) I think
[06:36] <_nedR> Ben64, my laptop didn't overheat before nvidia driver started messing up.. once that happened the whole laptop started overheating... it was the same story with my old dell R.I.P.
[06:37] <Ben64> correlation does not imply causation
[06:39] <_nedR> mah... i am going out on a limb and say that in this case it does... anyways my nvidia driver isn't installing properly.. i would be grateful for any help in that direction...
[06:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Kartagis: from the man pages of set, it seems that the parameter are used to route the debug/error messages to and from standard error channel
[06:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Kartagis: I think if you dont use that parameter then the debug/error messages get output/input from stdout
[06:40] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: I can try
[06:41] <_nedR> symptoms are 1. : nvidia-smi command missing 2. Laptop overheating 3. switching to nvidia using primeselect or nvidia-settings fails without any errror message.. it just ignores my command 4. dpkg -p nvidia-390 has this line : "Conflicts: nvidia-persistenced, nvidia-smi, xorg-driver-binary"
[06:41] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, thanks that would be much appreciated.. :)
[06:42] <_nedR> i have tried installing 340, 384, 390 .. both via ubuntu additional drivers and adding the ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[06:42] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: If you are in doubt that if the nvidia propriety driver is causing the heat issue, then boot with a live image and check, live images use noveau driver
[06:42] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: what ubuntu version are you on?
[06:42] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd : ah ok will try that...
[06:42] <_nedR> 14.04
[06:43] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: after that, you need to check if multiple versions of nvidia drivers are installed at the same time
[06:44] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: you need to check if xorg log or the kernel log and find the version of the nvidia driver that is loaded
[06:49] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, i used to use apt-get purge before installing drivers.. how do i find if multiple version of nvidia is installed?
[06:49] <_nedR> booting from live usb may take a while since i need to find a suitable live-usb
[06:50] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: Its better to remove all the nvidia packages manually using a package manager and then remove all the xorg.config files and then remove any blacklists created by the nvidia driver installer in the /etc/modeprobe.d and update the initramfs. and intall the nvidia driver afresh
[06:50] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: ok
[06:50] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: I am not sure I will be around, I will be going soon
[06:52] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: how long will it take?
[06:53] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ah i used apt-get install purge and autoremove.. no package mangaer.. and deleted xorg.conf, and i did     update-initramfs -u and restart before.. but didn't work
[06:53] <_nedR> i didnt remove blaclists in /etc/modeporbe.d tho... also i blacklisted nouveau drivers as recommended by some askubuntu thread
[06:54] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ok i have to find a pen drive with ubuntu hopefully one is around one sec lemme look
[06:54] <_nedR> ok seemed to find one.. lemme boot and try.. brb
[06:56] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: careful, you need to remove the nouveau blacklists and update initramfs, if you are cleaning the  system of nvidia proprietary driver. To note, Its well known that the nvidia proprietary driver messes up with the graphics driver installation. In which case you need to trace the left over files and glx lib links
[07:18] <quest2742> hi , i am trying to install vmware player"VMware-Player-6.0.0-1295980.i386.bundle" on ubuntu 16.0.4  but vmplayer won't start i try different soultion but without any success , see the error message  "https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xYm8fcm3Xf/"  "https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7JMj6HqKb8/"
[07:21] <phoenix_firebrd> quest2742: let me check
[07:21] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, hello again... i booted into 17.10 liveusb.. i couldn't install psensors to get temps but laptop felt hot anyway.. additional drivers indicated i was using nouveau... also intel was detected but no drivers were used.. so i ran youtube for a while and laptop shut down (presumably due to overheating ) immediately following that i booted into 14.04 and opening up psensors showed temps at 97degrees now fell to 86 degree after i turned on ceilin
[07:21] <_nedR> g fan
[07:22] <phoenix_firebrd> quest2742: you installed vmware using the package from the vmware website?
[07:22] <quest2742> phoenix_firebrd : yes
[07:23] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: ok, what do you think the issue is?
[07:23] <anma> !ask
[07:24] <eraserpencil> where in /etc are the priorities for networking?
[07:24] <anma> !patience
[07:26] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: what priorities?
[07:26] <eraserpencil> hmm
[07:26] <eraserpencil> which wifi network gets connected to first
[07:28] <eraserpencil> I'm not sure why im always getting disconnected, or getting connected to eth0 (despite not having any wired connection) but other computers in the same network are stable
[07:28] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, issue seems to be the nvidia driver not installing properly... as to why nvidia doesn't install properly i have no idea... it used to work fine before until i tried to update it to something newer.. think the old one was 340
[07:30] <phoenix_firebrd> eraserpencil: may be when a connected wifi signal goes to zero it automatically defaults to the eth0, if you are not using a wired connection, you could disable the ethernet port in the bios
[07:31] <EriC^^> eraserpencil: wired is priority then wifi
[07:32] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: you have two case, one is overheating and other is the installation issue. The first one seems to be because of a clogged air vent or a  dusty heatsink
[07:32] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: the second one we can address
[07:34] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, i would very happy if second issue could be addressed
[07:37] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: can you paste your xorg.0.log file here? using any text pasting service
[07:38] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: also paste the output of lsmod
[07:39] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: This is very important, did you install the binary Nvidia driver from the Nvidia website?
[07:40] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, no i didnt install from the website.. tried additional drivers app and ppa only
[07:40] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd,  here is pastebin for xorg.0.log : phoenix_firebrd, hmm... actually i am closed to giving up on getting 14.04 to work.. maybe i might reinstall 17.10 ... ( i was trying to put it off until 18.04 came out)
[07:40] <_nedR> oops
[07:40] <_nedR> https://pastebin.com/zpNYG5Js
[07:43] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, lsmod  :https://pastebin.com/KAyjsNfs
[07:43] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: brb in 10 mins
[07:43] <_nedR> k np .
[07:53] <akem> In Ubuntu file explorer, is it possible to copy current path to the buffer?
[07:53] <EriC^^> akem: right click on the name and click copy
[07:53] <akem> So i can paste it somewhere else or in the terminal.
[07:54] <EriC^^> akem: you can click and drag the folder to the terminal and it'll write the path
[07:54] <akem> Thanks EriC^^.
[07:54] <starfalls> can linux connect  wire and wirless network at the same time ?
[07:54] <guiverc> starfalls, yep
[07:54] <akem> Ha ok, i didn't know, i though copy was just to do a real copy.
[07:55] <starfalls> guiverc, I try and  it didn't work
[07:55] <starfalls> may be I should try one more
[07:56] <guiverc> starfalls, i use it regularly without issue.  which do you not get working?
[07:57] <starfalls> guiverc,  for my purpose
[07:57] <starfalls> I connect to some type of  CPE in wired network
[07:57] <starfalls> and with Wifi access , remote can be controll my PC like Team viewer
[07:58] <starfalls> I try that kind of environment in Window and It's okay
[07:58] <starfalls> but in Linux , I think if I  go for wired network . it 's auto disabling the wifi network
[07:58] <starfalls> may be I need to check it again
[07:59] <starfalls> wired and wifi is different network in my case
[08:02] <guiverc> i'm not familiar with CPE (customer premises equip?) and not expert in wireless. Can you connect to that wireless without issue if you aren't using ethernet?
[08:04] <starfalls> guiverc,  yes CPE could be  Router or some are capable of fiber termination
[08:04] <starfalls> yes I can connect wireless without using ethernet
[08:04] <starfalls> it's like one at a time .
[08:06] <starfalls> sometimes , i need to connect CPE with wired network and wifi for remote access.
[08:10] <guiverc> starfalls, i have no idea; all i can think of is a the kernel modules (drivers) don't play well together but this is unlikely.  it could be (even if different network; but both in same company & managed) the network is detecting an untrusted device, unknown fingerprint & only allowing a single connection on (but why would it work with windoze except they're nmap/scanning you..... - nah sorry i have no idea & just [stupid] wild guesses;
[08:10] <guiverc> sorry I can't help as I don't know.
[08:13] <dstw> j
[08:17] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: sorry for the delay
[08:17] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, hehe np..
[08:24] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: right now any nvidia driver installed?
[08:25] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: all the logs you posted show that intel driver is loaded
[08:25] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, yes nvidia-390 is installed
[08:26] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: how do you know that it is installed
[08:27] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia | less
[08:28] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: in which case the link is broken to the glx library
[08:28] <_nedR> that returns this : https://pastebin.com/60g35SKR
[08:28] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ah ok.. that sounds intriguing.. what can i do ?
[08:29] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: what does that the nvidia settings app show in the details tab
[08:30] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, thats another thing it doesn't show the details tab.. just Prime profiles application profiles and nvidia-settings configuration
[08:31] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, this is how it looks : https://imgur.com/a/2bfNb
[08:33] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, i mentioned earlier one thing ... i am not sure of its significance but dpkg -p nvidia-390 outputs this : https://pastebin.com/MSb3tP4g
[08:33] <_nedR> see the line "Conflicts: nvidia-persistenced, nvidia-smi, xorg-driver-binary" ?
[08:34] <_nedR> does it mean installation failed due to those conflicts or those could potentially conflict during installation
[08:35] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: whats the problem for you again?
[08:35] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: what happens when you switch to the nvidia gpu in the settings app?
[08:36] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, nvidia driver not working .. laptop overheating.. also earlier when i used nvidia-settings to switch to nvidia it would work.. now it is stuck in intel
[08:36] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, it says to log out and log in.. when i do that.. and i open nvidia-settings its still on intel as though nothing changed
[08:37] <_nedR> that certainly used to work before i tried upgrading my drivers
[08:38] <SaliorMoonLT> Is there a known and used BASH script already made to cycle through apt-get to remove 404ing / failed repositories?
[08:38] <SaliorMoonLT> AKA a fast and clean way to remove "bad" repos?
[08:38] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, oh i forgot another factor... my laptop seems effected by this bug too : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1750937
[08:39] <_nedR> again the issue i am facing happened before that.. but this also might further complicate it..
[08:39] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: do you see any error message in terminal when you open the nvidia-settings app in terminal and switch the profile. the config file could have got corrupted and or by misusing sudo became a root file
[08:41] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: do you know where the nvidia-settings stores the user preferences?
[08:41] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, oh ya its showing couple of errors : https://pastebin.com/uyzUtD5v
[08:43] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: I think we have closed on the issue, wait
[08:47] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, could this be solution ? : https://askubuntu.com/questions/477553/ubuntu-14-04-cant-get-nvidia-prime-working
[08:48] <_nedR> basically the top answer (but ignoring the sidenotes since they don't seem applicable to me?)
[08:48] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: have you installed the nvidia-prime package?
[08:48] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: see if that package is already installed
[08:49] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd; not directly but  dpkg -l | grep nvidia-prime returns ii  nvidia-prime                                          0.6.2.1                                             amd64        Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime
[08:49] <_nedR> so i am assuming it is installed along with nvidia-390..
[08:49] <_nedR> the command prime-select is there (but doesn't work either)
[08:49] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: probably the package is corrupt
[08:50] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: we can try reinstalling it. do you know how to reinstall a package using dpkg?
[08:50] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, oh ? but i did apt-get purge and install several times.. should have redownloaded corrupt packages right?
[08:50] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, not really sure via dpkg... will ggl it
[08:51] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: I am not sure about the apt
[08:51] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ok how to install via dpkg then?
[08:51] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: I forgot, how to check it, wait
[08:54] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: is nvidia-prime purgable using apt without touching any other package?
[08:54] <ducasse> _nedR: 'apt install --reinstall ...'
[08:56] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, it seems so : "The following packages will be REMOVED:  nvidia-prime* 90k 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 23 not upgraded.
[08:56] <_nedR> After this operation, 90.1 kB disk space will be freed.
[08:56] <_nedR> ""
[08:58] <_nedR> should i purge?
[08:59] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: is that the package name nvidia-prime* 90k ?
[08:59] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: or nvidia-prime*?
[08:59] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: did you give the package name as nvidia-prime*?
[09:00] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, oh sorry my bad pasted wrong.. its  nvidia-prime*
[09:00] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, no i gave it as nvidia-prime
[09:00] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: proceed
[09:00] <_nedR> sudo apt-get purge nvidia-prime
[09:00] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: ya, proceed
[09:01] <_nedR> ok did it.. got this output : (Reading database ... 484251 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:01] <_nedR> Removing nvidia-prime (0.6.2.1) ...
[09:01] <_nedR> Purging configuration files for nvidia-prime (0.6.2.1) ...
[09:02] <_nedR> Purging configuration files for nvidia-prime (0.6.2.1) ...
[09:02] <_nedR> hmmm.. guess it is not pasting
[09:02] <_nedR> will pastebin it
[09:03] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: after it finishes purging, install nvidia-prime.
[09:03] <_nedR> this is output : https://pastebin.com/tB7nLgAu
[09:03] <_nedR> lot of symbolic links missing
[09:03] <_nedR> k installing
[09:03] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: then paste the output  of "sudo dpkg-query -L nvidia-prime"
[09:05] <rory> When installing Ubuntu (or any distro) inside Virtualbox, is it recommended from a performance perspective, to use Virtualbox's volume encryption, or to use Ubuntu's LUKS encryption?
[09:05] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ok this is output i get  for dpkg-query :https://pastebin.com/8QR9a8Di
[09:07] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: restart your system and comeback
[09:07] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ok .. brb
[09:10] <iNet> hello
[09:11] <guiverc> iNet, this is the Ubuntu support channel; if you have a question, please just ask it.  If someone in the room has the answer, they'll reply. (please be patient & allow them to respond)
[09:12] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, k rebooted
[09:12] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, that bug imentioned earlier is rearing its head now too...
[09:15] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, basically when i rebooted these 2 line briefly appeared .. ( i got it now from system log)
[09:16] <_nedR> Mar 20 14:39:36 dell-laptop kernel: [   12.223030] nvidia: version magic '3.13.0-143-generic SMP mod_unload modversions ' should be '3.13.0-143-generic SMP mod_unload modversions retpoline '
[09:16] <_nedR> Mar 20 14:39:36 dell-laptop kernel: [   12.229816] nvidia: version magic '3.13.0-143-generic SMP mod_unload modversions ' should be '3.13.0-143-generic SMP mod_unload modversions retpoline '
[09:16] <SaliorMoonLT> :(
[09:16] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, those lines can go away when i boot to an older kernel version.. i dunno if this bug will mess up ur instructions..
[09:17] <ronniel> server
[09:22] <squig> so I seem to be failing at cron :/
[09:22] <squig> crontab -l
[09:22] <poutine> this is not a terminal sir
[09:22] <squig> make a cron to run in the middle of the night then nothing
[09:23] <squig> is there some change in 16.04 that I can't figure out
[09:24] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: check if you are able to change the profile, and the change persists after reboot
[09:25] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, k brb
[09:26] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: ok
[09:33] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd_, sorry to report... same as before
[09:34] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd_, tried changing multiple times to nvidia.. log out login , reboot, also now i rebooted to a much older kernel (Linux dell-laptop 3.13.0-43-generic) to make that  nvidia: version magic error to go away... all same result
[09:35] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd_, sigh i think i better reformat and install 17.10 to see if that fixes the issue... i have been putting off upgrading this long lol .. what do you think ?
[09:38] <sima> what's wrong with Ubuntu's ZFS? I issue 'sudo zpool export rpool' (It sees zfs datasets just right after restart) and after issuing that command, it does not exits but just stays like that forever...
[09:39] <sima> Maybe I should install zfs-dkms ? (boot support) if I were not using it as boot device...
[09:39] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd_, k g2g out for about an hour.. bbl.. thanks again for helping me
[09:40] <Zandies> Salut!
[09:40] <Zandies> Hello world !
[09:40] <Zandies> Bouh
[09:40] <Zandies> a
[09:40] <Zandies> a
[09:40] <Zandies> a
[09:40] <sima> ah, zfs-dkms is for root FS..
[09:40] <fretknot> i have a question for people experienced with running something like lubuntu off a pendrive with persistent memory
[09:40] <fretknot> just wondering what good ratios are for memory, is there a general rule somewhere
[09:41] <Butterfly_> fretknot : persistent storage*, it's not really persistent memory
[09:41] <fretknot> some healthy rations of different type of memory use i can guage
[09:41] <SaliorMoonLT> Is there a known and used BASH script already made to cycle through apt-get to remove 404ing / failed repositories? AKA a fast and clean way to remove "bad" repos?
[09:41] <fretknot> ok thank you butterfly
[09:41] <fretknot> but is there a list of ratios so i can see before my memory use gets critical
[09:42] <sima> You need as much RAM as your apps need it. Like, 1G minimum for pleasant/ok Firefox use. Use 'top' command
[09:42] <Butterfly_> fretknot : if the live version needs 2GB for example, and you have a 4GB USB stick, just use whatever space is left for persistent storage
[09:42] <fretknot> memory use guidelines? right yes no i have done all that
[09:42] <fretknot> it's just the figures i see on system info : memory concern me
[09:42] <fretknot> and i'd like to compare them to healthy figures
[09:43] <fretknot> can i get you to look at my memory usuage if i put an image on imgur
[09:43] <Butterfly_> sure, share link here
[09:43] <fretknot> thank you brb
[09:43] <blaman> trying to run ubuntu 16.04 on hyper-v so I downloaded the vhd cloud image and made a VM out of it, it boots and runs but I can't login. What's the default username and password?
[09:50] <cart_man> Hi everyone . I am running Ubuntu Mate on a raspberry Pi 3. I connect to this module via SSH. My problem comes when I try and set a manual wifi IP. When I set a wifi password manually I can PING the device but not connect via SSH .. although when I set it back to automatic it seems to take my settings anyway BUT I can connect VIA SSH. WHy would that stop me from connecting ?
[09:51] <Wolf_Y_> Hi, is anyone online ?
[09:51] <Wolf_Y_> I have some noob-ish questions to ask!
[09:53] <fretknot> https://imgur.com/a/uV8iu hi butterfly this was the memory situation
[09:54] <sima> blaman, depends from where you got your image from. I would always do my own install and same goes for containers and binaries in it.
[09:55] <fretknot> it's really bad isn't it ^^^
[09:55] <hanabishi> Hello, i want to knows some thing-- if my computer was turn off when get update and install
[09:55] <hanabishi> it will has any effact??
[09:58] <guiverc> hanabishi, it probably depends on your hardware; if your hardware was built to handle this (eg. servers) its probably safer; but chances are you'll be fine (hardware on power failure can do strange things that the OS cannot prevent)
[10:00] <hanabishi> no, my computer can open this os but can't update anything
[10:01] <hanabishi> Should re install a new onec??
[10:01] <guiverc> what version of Ubuntu hanabishi
[10:01] <fretknot> butterfly?
[10:02] <fretknot> i think the lili creator studo gave me 4 GB of persistent storage
[10:03] <hanabishi> how can i check this version of ubuntu??
[10:03] <Butterfly_> fretknot : your physical amount or RAM memory available is just limited, adding more persistence won't help this, you could add a swap partition to the pendrive, but this is probably not ideal in terms of speed
[10:03] <dchotas> hanabishi: you can probably just apt get install -f
[10:03] <guiverc> from terminal `lsb_release -a`  (ctrl+alt+t will get a term)
[10:03] <Butterfly_> or: inxi -S
[10:04] <hanabishi> dchotas : will try thx
[10:04] <fretknot> ok, so it's not direly critical butterfly, there is some space so that it might not crash suddenly
[10:05] <hanabishi> dchotas : it's fail
[10:06] <fretknot> do you mean that even though the lubuntu OS will be on the pendrive, there could be a file squeezed in on the HDD beside windows 7 that can be accessed from this lubuntu OS, butterfly
[10:07] <Butterfly_> you lost me fretknot
[10:07] <Butterfly_> no idea what you just tried to say
[10:11] <fretknot> ok well thanks for trying to hlep
[10:11] <fretknot> it's very hard for old people to learn enough syntax to ask questions correctly
[10:12] <Butterfly_> it's been 10 years since i set up persistence, so i'm probably not the best person to ask this kind of thing too :)
[10:12] <Butterfly_> i try to help a bit where i can though
[10:12] <fretknot> yes ty i wrote those swap partition and inxi -s down i just have to ask somewhere what that exactly means
[10:13] <fretknot> and i just got rid of firefox as it seemed too big. but the tor isn't showing an interface even though it's running in lxterminal lol
[10:13] <fretknot> so i have a shitload of issues to work through
[10:13] <Butterfly_> fretknot : in terminal just type: man inxi
[10:15] <guiverc> fretknot, you do release `tor` and `tor-browser` are different; you didn't load tor and expect it to be the tor-browser (that uses tor underneath) did you?
[10:15] <fretknot> yes i did.
[10:15] <fretknot> i have seen other types of tor before though
[10:15] <fretknot> like for vpns and things
[10:16] <fretknot> it's such a shame when i dl the OPERA and VIVALDI browsers the lubuntu just doesn't know how to open them
[10:17] <guiverc> in what form did you download them, deb packages, .tar.gz (tarballs) or .exe (not a linux executable)?
[10:17] <mooncakehexchat> hi all-question-was running a drive scan with badblocks and wife unwittingly turned off computer any chance i will be able to view a log somewhere or somehow resume starting from half way
[10:18] <mooncakehexchat> 1TB
[10:18] <fretknot> i'm not familiar with linux executables ... they are gone now but i might have another go
[10:19] <guiverc> fretknot, also if you want to add software; I'd suggest loading the ubuntu-mate welcome package & using its software-appt (sudo apt install ubuntu-mate-welcome).  it contains of course a welcome screen (for new users) plus a software-store that's easy to sue
[10:19] <guiverc> :s/sue/use sorry
[10:19] <guiverc> :s/appt/app/ too
[10:20] <fretknot> ok thanks. i'd been looking for things in synaptic but there wasn't much there, probably because this is lubuntu
[10:20] <gg> i have a question about the cd / command. I keep getting "bash: cd: Desktop: no such file or directory" after typing cd /Desktop. What error am I making?
[10:21] <gg> ls
[10:21] <guiverc> fretknot, the thing i like most about the mate-app-store is it includes software that is outside of norm, and it adds the repo needed to get it (and any updates) for you automatically...  great for newer users..
[10:21] <xzr>  / points to the root of the filesystem
[10:21] <akik> gg: / is the root of the file system tree. you want "cd ~/Desktop" that goes to your home directory
[10:21] <fretknot> wonderful, ty vm much you and butterfly
[10:21] <mooncakehexchat> try pwd in the terminal and see where you are
[10:21] <guiverc> (it works in any ubuntu too, not just ubuntu-mate)
[10:21] <gg> ahhh
[10:22] <mooncakehexchat> you may not be in home directory
[10:22] <Butterfly_> yw fretknot , good luck and have fun o/
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[10:22] <fretknot> thank you it's finally getting funner :D
[10:22] <gg> i just installed tree as well
[10:22] <gg> i'm at the /home directory. I didn't have the tilde
[10:22] <hanabishi> dchotas : thx, i'm okey now i re-install OS New
[10:23] <fretknot> is chromium much good as a browser ... or does hardly anyone use it
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[10:23] <mooncakehexchat> what in there
[10:23] <guiverc> fretknot, chromium is my most used browser (firefox & lynx equal second)
[10:24] <fretknot> oh great, hopefully i can just update it
[10:24] <gg> ls returns home.desktop trash.desktop. (I think trash is the name of my pc.) :)
[10:24] <fretknot> when i was at IMGUR earlier it wouldn't work properly but this could be a very old version
[10:25] <mooncakehexchat> re above is it home.desktop (verbatim case and with a full stop)
[10:25] <mooncakehexchat> or r you using . as a comma
[10:26] <mooncakehexchat> i am very noob and would like to ask someone else to jump in and help
[10:26] <mooncakehexchat> to help gg
[10:27] <gg> the tilde character was helpful to get me to change directory
[10:27] <gg> without it, a bash error returns
[10:29] <fretknot> guiverc am assuming i can run mate-app-store from terminal, but am having trouble guessing the command to launch it
[10:31] <mooncakehexchat> can badblocks be started from half way through a HDD ?
[10:32] <guiverc> yep - if you know the name (I don't sorry) but its GUI so will is mouse driven.  hold on - looking for it (https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-mate-welcome)
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:34] <guiverc> fretknot, its called 'oftware boutique', but looking for command to call
[10:36] <jpe> What's the best way to install a 32 bit JVM on Ubuntu 16.04?
[10:38] <guiverc> fretknot, sorry for some reason I can't find the command (I usually load it from menu) but its software-boutique - see https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/the-software-boutique-will-be-avaible-for-other-ubuntu-flavors/4478
[10:39] <fretknot> ok thank you very much. probably enough learning for today hahaha seemed to learn a lot on the way so thanks again.
[10:42] <zozo> hey guys, I've installed ubuntu 17.10 and have problems with openssh connection to localhost. I can connect to another hosts, but when I'm trying to 'ssh localhost' I'm getting "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" and "bash: /home/alex/src/gitea: No such file or directory"
[10:42] <zozo> It's a fresh system, so I'm not sure where from I get the "src/gitea" (it was on previous system)
[10:44] <lfb_> hi
[10:44] <SaliorMoonLT> Hi, lfb_.
[10:44] <_nedR> \
[10:45] <akik> zozo: try ssh -T localhost
[10:45] <loginoob> after a while ubuntu gets slow. How can i check what's causing the problem
[10:45] <akik> zozo: or ssh -t localhost not sure which
[10:46] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, hi man , am back... think i should reformat and upgrade ubuntu? I think the returns for spending more time on trying to fix this nvidia thing is become lesser and lesser
[10:47] <zozo> @akik -- -T gives me "bash: /home/alex/src/gitea: No such file or directory"
[10:47] <akik> zozo: i had the same problem with gitolite
[10:47] <zozo> -t gives "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0"
[10:47] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: hi
[10:47] <zozo> I cant figure out where from I'm getting this "gitea"
[10:47] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: sorry, I was little busy
[10:47] <akik> zozo: so does /home/alex/src/gitea exist or does it have wrong permissions?
[10:48] <zozo> no such dir at all. I havent install gitea
[10:48] <zozo> and didn't configure ssh to do so
[10:48] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: no we can try something else
[10:48] <akik> zozo: well it didn't appear there by itself?
[10:48] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd,  hi ... hehe  .. sorry for taking so much of your time.. ya.. think i will do it.. was trying to tough it till 18.04.. but this nvidia thing has been more of a pain that i thought it would be.. wasted quite a few days trying to fix it..
[10:48] <zozo> I mean, no user created for gitea, no home follder for it
[10:48] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: what if the problems happens even after you have reinstalled the system?
[10:48] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, oh wat you have in mind for trying.
[10:48] <zozo> akik:  Defenitelly. I have a fresh system.
[10:49] <zozo> how can I check what files are executed during ssh login?
[10:49] <akik> zozo: did you restore your /home from backup?
[10:49] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: ya, i am on call now
[10:49] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR:  office stuff
[10:50] <zozo> well I have it backed up in separated partition, but didn't copy it yet
[10:50] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, well i was kind of banking on the hope that this problem wouldn't present it self on reinstall.. to new os 17.10 not 14.04.. i didn't have this problem until 2 weeks ago.. so i am imagining a fresh install should undo whatever it is..
[10:50] <akik> zozo: .profile .bash_profile .bashrc
[10:50] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, also newer os with newer kernel should play better with nvidia drivers no?
[10:50] <akik> zozo: /etc/profile.d/*
[10:50] <jink> Any idea when the new (0.22) certbot will get to the artful ppa?
[10:51] <_nedR> 14.04 has been harder and harder to live with tbh.. many stuff doesn't work... can't even play x265 properly :/
[10:52] <zozo> akik: nothing special in /etc/profile.d/*
[10:52] <akik> zozo: how about those three files in your home dir?
[10:53] <zozo> not so suspicious
[10:53] <zozo> let me try to delete them
[10:53] <zozo> and check
[10:56] <enoch85__> hey guys, I have a strange issue that happened when I formatted a drive in windows that were mounted over iSCSI as NTFS. Windows added another partition number to the drive. Like this: https://pastebin.com/VZZS2S2e
[10:56] <enoch85__> Now, how do I remnove that extra p1 from the device name?
[10:57] <enoch85__> do I need to reformat it or is there any othe option, like with gparted or similar?
[10:57] <zozo> akik -- I've removed these files -- still the same
[10:58] <zozo> going to look at the strace output
[10:58] <enoch85__> I can't list /dev/cciss/c0d0p2p1 with fdisk either only /dev/cciss/c0d0p2, but whern I do it lists /dev/cciss/c0d0p2p1...
[10:58] <akik> zozo: you didn't run any setups after installing ubuntu but still get that error? that doesn't sound plausible
[10:59] <zozo> akik -- I've installed some deps and deps, but it wasn't gitea. I did install gitea on old system, but didn't porit it to the new one. I believe that something leaked somehow, but I can't find a way to debug it..
[11:00] <akik> zozo: you can create a new user and test with it
[11:00] <akik> zozo: that way you can find out if the problem is in the user files
[11:01] <zozo> right, thanks
[11:03] <zozo> yes, it is problem with user files
[11:04] <enoch85__> anyone?
[11:04] <aky> Hey
[11:04] <aky> Whats up
[11:06] <zozo__> akik: where I can find a list of all files related to login via ssh ?
[11:06] <mark721> hi guys, i have been having a bug for a long time, and basically when I switch between two workspaces if one of them are in full screen mode then ubuntu can completely freeze up
[11:07] <akik> zozo__: i don't know, but you could "grep -r -i gitea $HOME"
[11:07] <akik> zozo__: man bash lists them probably
[11:07] <mark721> the mouse completely disappears, then i have to restart the pc.
[11:07] <mark721> *cursor
[11:08] <zozo__> god damn! "/home/alex/.ssh/authorized_keys:command="/home/alex/src/gitea serv  ... "
[11:08] <loginoob> please guide me too
[11:08] <loginoob> after a while ubuntu gets slow. How can i check what's causing the problem
[11:09] <akik> zozo__: congrats
[11:09] <zozo__> akik: thanks a lot!
[11:09] <zozo__> I've been looking through output of that command before -- but missed it. thanks
[11:14] <mark721> any ideas anyone?
[11:15] <loginoob> can someone help? what information should i give ?
[11:16] <JimBuntu> loginoob, Quick things to check are free memory (free -h) and CPU use (top)..  if you are leaving a browser open, try closing the browser, waiting a moment and then re-opening...
[11:19] <loginoob> JimBuntu: free -h give me only 331M free memory
[11:20] <loginoob> JimBuntu: how can i paste top command output on lpaste.net because it changes
[11:20] <JimBuntu> loginoob, How much are you expecting? How much do you have in total? Please do remember that RAM not in use, is like money in a mattress, great for a rainy day but doing nothing
[11:20] <mineStile> Hello
[11:21] <loginoob> JimBuntu: http://lpaste.net/363838 this is the output of free -h
[11:21] <JimBuntu> loginoob, 1top -b -n1 | nc termbin.com 99991
[11:21] <JimBuntu> oops
[11:21] <JimBuntu> loginoob, `top -b -n1 | nc termbin.com 9999`
[11:23] <loginoob> JimBuntu: I got this from above command http://termbin.com/1euvy
[11:25] <JimBuntu> loginoob, `killall chrome` and it could be a fluke, but looks like gnome-keyring-daemon is using a lot of CPU
[11:26] <loginoob> JimBuntu: but if i restart pc then also after sometime it slows down
[11:26] <loginoob> getting this problem since yesterday.
[11:26] <JimBuntu> loginoob, My first suggestion.... `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install google-chrome-stable` to update Chrome.
[11:27] <loginoob> i can simply run above command, and there is no need to uninstall chrome first?
[11:28] <JimBuntu> loginoob, You may need to check the top command over time to see what is at fault
[11:28] <JimBuntu> loginoob, no need to uninstall
[11:28] <loginoob> ok i'll do that and keep an eye on top command
[11:30] <mineStile> Hello
[11:31] <JimBuntu> loginoob, Shift-Escape while in Chrome, will bring up the Chrome task manager... this is a good way to see what tab/extension/etc is eating memory/cpu... if it is indeed due to Chrome
[11:31] <JimBuntu> !ask | mineStile
[11:32] <JimBuntu> mineStile, This is the official Ubuntu support channel, if you need support, please ask and heed the above
[11:37] <onio> Can anyone here in this forum help with using libcurl in c for sending json payload
[11:39] <JimBuntu> onio, Sorry, if you said urllib2 in Python... yes, I can't help with libcurl in C though :-/
[11:40] <JimBuntu> onio, There is a #c with nearly 400 people in it though
[11:40] <onio> JimBuntu: Thanks
[11:40] <onio> okay cool I would give that a go
[11:40] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: hi, are you there?
[11:46] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, hi, i am here
[11:47] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: again, sorry for the delay. It is always a good thing to have a newer version of a OS provided our hardware can support it and the OS can support all our hardware. If upgrading is not a big issue, you can upgrade your system. Else for some reason if you want to keep the current OS version do want to fix this Nvidia issue, but can start by checking about the missing file as shown in the log https://pastebin.com/uyzUtD5v
[11:48] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: the missing file I mean is nvidia-application-profiles-key-documentation
[11:49] <dupondje> How do we change the LC_TIME env these days on Ubuntu 17.10 ? :)
[11:50] <dupondje> tried /etc/default/locale, but that doesnt seem to do anything
[11:52] <JimBuntu> dupondje, I would expect it to be in the file you said you tried... did you start a new terminal/etc and then check if the variable was set?
[11:52] <limbo_> What's the easiest (least setup steps) way of getting a 17.10 machine with no wireless card on my home network by connecting it to a 17.04 machine with a wifi card?
[11:53] <dupondje> JimBuntu: yes .. :)
[11:53] <limbo_> I've done this before, by manually configuring IP addresses, but I've never successfully shared a net connection like this. (over a wire anyway, I've used the hotspot feature)
[11:56] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, hi yeah was looking at that earlier but according to this , it is just a warning and may not be the cause of the issue? : https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/17810
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: I disagree with what is said in the article
[11:58] <syahrial> help me my firefox crashes
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR:
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd> but values cannot be
[11:58] <phoenix_firebrd>        prepopulated or validated
[11:59] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: I can't find the file in any of the packages in ubuntu
[12:00] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: the error message clearly states that values cant be loaded or repopulated
[12:01] <loginoob> JimBuntu: Now that i have installed google-chrome-stable, there are two chrome when i do whereis google-chrome and one from whereis google-chrome-stable
[12:02] <as_> dsadsadsa
[12:03] <loginoob> is that ok?
[12:03] <as_> missclick
[12:03] <JimBuntu> loginoob, hmmm. I didn't expect that, I presume the old one is lumped up with google-chrome. The one you want to be using is 'google-chrome'stable'.
[12:04] <mooncakehexchat> hey anyone know if you can choose where to start scanning from (starting point) with badblocks?
[12:04] <JimBuntu> loginoob, lemme see what I get for that
[12:04] <mooncakehexchat> i want to start 500GB into a 1TB druve
[12:04] <mooncakehexchat> *drive
[12:04] <JimBuntu> loginoob, I only get 1 for either 'which' command.
[12:04] <syahrial> i use ubuntu mate on Raspberry Pi 3 Model B
[12:05] <JimBuntu> loginoob, either way, so long as the right one starts, it's ok to have the older one linger if you don't want to uninstall it.
[12:06] <ledeni> _nedR, can you give us   sudo 'lspci |grep -E "VGA|3D" | nc termbin.com 9999'
[12:09] <_nedR> ledeni, http://termbin.com/9m3d
[12:11] <as__> Goha goha
[12:12] <as_> asasas
[12:12] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: can you give me your hardware specs, if you dont mind?
[12:13] <qwb222> hi , i try to install the vmware-player-6 on ubuntu 16.06(linux generic 4.4-117) but the vmnet.ko compilation failed
[12:13] <BluesKaj> !pl | as_,
[12:13] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: also the system you are thinking of upgrading, is it a work related or personal one?
[12:13] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi, how are you
[12:14] <BluesKaj> hi phoenix_firebrd , doing ok , and you?
[12:14] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: I am fine too, thanks
[12:14] <qwb222>  i trying to install the vmware-player-6 on ubuntu 16.04(linux generic 4.4-117) but the vmnet.ko compilation failed
[12:15] <Pa^2> G'day all.  Are there keyboard shortcuts for Settings?  I disable my touchpad so I can type uninterrupted but without a mouse I cannot turn it back on.
[12:16] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: One of a ubuntu user with a nvidia gpu, has issue. I am trying to help him. Can you try helping him. I assume you are little bit familiar with nvidia card If I remember correctly?
[12:16] <qwb222> vmware-player-6 module compilation error "VMNET.ko failed"
[12:16] <ledeni> _nedR, now how you install nvidia drivers?
[12:18] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ya my specs are acer aspire v5 laptop nvidia 620mgt and intel hd graphics, cpu is i5-3317U, 4 gb ram... i use it for work and personal
[12:18] <_nedR> ledeni, i used additional software app, and also tried graphics-drivers ppa
[12:18] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I've forgotten does Ubuntu have a driver manager? If so he should run that. If not, which nvidia gpu?
[12:18] <qwb222> phoenix_firebrd : i try to install the vmware-player-6 on ubuntu 16.06(linux generic 4.4-117) but the vmnet.ko compilation failed
[12:20] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: He has a nvidia card that uses some thing called prime
[12:21] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: The card uses a hybrid driver, which uses intel onboard gpu for energy saving, while usinig the main nvidia gpu for performance use cases
[12:21] <BluesKaj> _nedR, nvidia 620m and intel gpu sare a hybrid aka Optimus , which are sometimes difficult to setup on Linux
[12:21] <Alcatrone> nvidia optimus?
[12:21] <ledeni> _nedR, open terminal and run 'sudo apt-get purge libvdpau-va-gl1 bumblebee* nvidia*'
[12:21] <mooncakehexchat> please help with the badblocks question i gave up last time 20 minutes in waiting
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Alcatrone, no the combo is called optimus by the the maker
[12:22] <Ool> 4.4-117 <= strange on my 16.04 I just see 4.4.0-116
[12:22] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: Shall I will put the links to the pastes that he gave me on various stuff like xorg log, lsmod etc?
[12:23] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: also he is on ubuntu 14.04 I think
[12:23] <phoenix_firebrd> yes its 14.04
[12:23] <ledeni> _nedR, after that same in terminal 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-331 nvidia-settings nvidia-prime'
[12:24] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I'm no expert on Optimus hybrid setups so I don't know ,afaik, he should run nvidia-prime and maybe the latest bumblebee
[12:24] <_nedR> ledeni, hi , ya phoenix_firebrd and me had tried similar stuff, but not exactly that driver version
[12:25] <sima> I have a problem I can't do 'zpool export rpool' of ZFS partition . I installed ZFS form ubuntu repositories.
[12:25] <_nedR> i am trying it one sec
[12:25] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: A specific issue for him is , that when he selects the nvidia gpu profile in the nvidia settings dialog and then restarts, the profile reverts back to intel
[12:25] <_nedR> actually it never goes to nvidia
[12:25] <ledeni> _nedR, after that reboot
[12:26] <Pa^2> G'day all.  Are there keyboard shortcuts for Settings?  I disable my touchpad so I can type uninterrupted but without a mouse I cannot turn it back on.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, that's because intel is the default at lower gpu loads then switches to nvidia when the video loads become larger ..rebooting in this case won't work afaik
[12:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: this is the snapshot of the _nedR nvidia profile selection dialog I am talking about https://imgur.com/a/2bfNb
[12:27] <Christoph> hi
[12:27] <_nedR> BluesKaj, ya for me the nvidia is not installing properly... thats also causing my system to overheat and shutdown
[12:27] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: please note what BluesKaj said
[12:28] <GulaticGamerX> hi
[12:28] <GulaticGamerX> hi
[12:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: Can this be a issue of some config files of nvidia-settings that got owned by root because of wrong use of sudo on nvidia-settings, something like that happening with kde apps?
[12:29] <_nedR> Blueking, in ubuntu prime setup you have to manually enable nvidia gpu thru nvidia-settings then log out and login for it to use nvidia gpu.. not like in windows
[12:29] <BluesKaj> yup, that's the case on all desktops phoenix_firebrd
[12:30] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: wrong nick
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[12:31] <ledeni> _nedR,did you reboot?
[12:31] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, whoops
[12:31] <_nedR> ledeni, not yet it is installing 331
[12:31] <ledeni> _nedR,ok
[12:32] <dan01> what happens if you change only the group id of your user to 0, that is root?
[12:32] <_nedR> ledeni, another weird thing is earlier nvidia-smi used to be installed now the command is missing.. this whole thing started when i tried to upgrade my graphics drivers from nvidia-340 iirc to 384..
[12:33] <BluesKaj> necrogami, did you use the dkms version or the nvidia driver from the website?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> oops  _nedR^
[12:35] <BluesKaj> why do users use an underscore as the first character in their nicks ..what a pita
[12:36] <hateball> BluesKaj: most clients let you !tab their nickname if you start typing the bit after the _ or other special character
[12:38] <BluesKaj> hateball, no kidding, it's still a pita
[12:41] <BluesKaj> bbl
[12:41] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. When I use apt-get I get a message stating that there are old unused linux kernels that I can remove with autoremove. I *don't* want to remove those kernels. How do I signify that?
[12:41] <Richard_Cavell> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 MATE
[12:42] <_nedR> ledeni, ok installed now rebooting
[12:42] <ledeni> _nedR,ok
[12:43] <chrismal> Hi I have a small problem maybe someone can help, I setup ubuntu 17.10.1 server with ZFS I created the pool and all is well except when I reboot the pool does not always import automatically
[12:43] <chrismal> I have to sudo zpool import pool  and ideas on this?
[12:45] <ledeni> _nedR,once you boot up open terminal'sudo prime-select nvidia'
[12:45] <sima> chrismal, My pool is mounted right on boot, I just did zpool import before that. But I have other problem, I can't do zpool export..
[12:46] <sima> have you used ZFS from Ubuntu repo or OpenZFS for Ubuntu?
[12:46] <_nedR> Holy crap! it worked!!!
[12:46] <sima> Pool I have on partition was created with Openindiana before that.
[12:47] <_nedR> ledeni, phoenix_firebrd !!!
[12:47] <_nedR> why did that work?
[12:47] <_nedR> was it cause of the purge libvdpau-va-gl1 or because of installing nvidia-331 specifically?
[12:48] <chrismal> If I do zpool import pool it imports fine  but it does not import automaticlly on boot, I installed it    sudo apt install zfsutils-linux
[12:48] <_nedR> either way nvidia-smi now visible... nvidia-settings shows full info
[12:48] <_nedR> psensors also lists gpu0
[12:48] <sima> chrismal, one "fix" for OI was to mount form live media and import/export pool, I don't know if similar thing is also good to be done for Ubuntu (because of different device names across platforms)
[12:48] <ledeni> _nedR,great
[12:49] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, i think i will try switching to nvidia and see if prime-select works
[12:49] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: awesome
[12:50] <imm0rtal2> Hey would someone be able to help me get sound coming out when i plug in the hdmi cable
[12:50] <sima> chrismal, it does mount them all for me on boot, I have installed: libzfs2linux, zfs-dkms, zfs-zed, zfsutils-linux
[12:50] <_nedR> lol nvidia-settings is saying i am using nvidia gpu already.. temps are 68 degree nows
[12:51] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: can you see if that missing file exists now?
[12:51] <phoenix_firebrd> ah
[12:52] <sima> also libzpool2linux, libuutil1linux
 what are all does ?
[12:54] <imm0rtal2> this is my aplay -l output: https://pastebin.com/dQTjK9kk
[12:54] <chrismal> also tried   sudo apt install zfs-initramfs
[12:54] <Joel> 16.04 - Monitor hooked up via DVI, moving mouse doesn't wake it up from sleep mode, previous VGA monitor would wake up fine, thoughts on where I would even begin?
[12:54] <Joel> I have to press the monitor power button to wake it up
[12:55] <Joel> My computer is NOT in suspend mode
[12:55] <mensvaga> Joel: I don't know much about your situation, and I don'have time to help much
[12:55] <mensvaga> BUT
[12:55] <mensvaga> when debugging X issues, it's best to have an sshd server running
[12:55] <mensvaga> also, if you're gonna install sshd, install fail2ban, and know how to use that.
[12:56] <Guest31119> Hello everyone
[12:56] <mensvaga> Once you have that set up, you can review any log file you need while you're debugging X.
[12:56] <mensvaga> And issue commands, etc.
[12:56] <imm0rtal2> anyone for help with no sound while using hdmi? fresh install of 17.10
[12:56] <mensvaga> imm0rtal2: pavucontrol
[12:56] <Joel> mensvaga that helps exactly 0% :)
[12:56] <phoenix_firebrd> Guest31119: hello
[12:57] <phoenix_firebrd> imm0rtal2: hi
[12:57] <imm0rtal2> mensvaga, already there i believe....*double checks*
[12:57] <phoenix_firebrd> imm0rtal2: you want sound from hmdi or on other device?
[12:57] <imm0rtal2> from hdmi
[12:58] <imm0rtal2> yup already have pavucontrol :)
[12:59] <mensvaga> check out the recording and output devices tabs.
[12:59] <mensvaga> and playback, etc.
[12:59] <adrian_1908> imm0rtal2: and make sure it's enabled in the "configuration" tab too.
[12:59] <mensvaga> yarp.
[13:01] <mensvaga> Joel: How do you debug display issues without a display?
[13:01] <imm0rtal2> its there still no sound... ive done majority of this last night
[13:01] <Mr> what you say?
[13:02] <mensvaga> Joel: /var/log/Xorg.0.log , and lspci will be of interest to you.
[13:05] <imm0rtal2> nothing is working
[13:05] <adrian_1908> imm0rtal2: and i assume volume at 100% too? Then I can't think of anything else.
[13:05] <imm0rtal2> nah its at 200 :D
[13:05] <imm0rtal2> but yet
[13:05] <imm0rtal2> yes*'
[13:06] <Joel> mensvaga You clearly didn't read what I typed, it's ok, don't worry about helping me.
[13:07] <imm0rtal2> could it be the video driver?
[13:07] <mensvaga> "16.04 - Monitor hooked up via DVI, moving mouse doesn't wake it up from sleep mode, previous VGA monitor would wake up fine, thoughts on where I would even begin?"
[13:07] <mensvaga> So... You're going to want to figure out what video driver you're using.  That's in Xorg.log
[13:08] <Pa^2> Are there keyboard shortcuts for Settings?  I disable my touchpad so I can type uninterrupted but without a mouse I cannot turn it back on.
[13:08] <dimde> I think my installation froze at "removing conflicting operating system files"…
[13:08] <mensvaga> You're gonna wanna see what video device you have.  That's in lspci
[13:08] <mensvaga> I'm not worried about helping you.  Believe me :)
[13:09] <imm0rtal2> heres lspci https://pastebin.com/FaGeDLd9
[13:09] <mensvaga> I bet you, if you "combined" you're pieces to the puzzle
[13:09] <dimde> should I kill it and retry?
[13:10] <mensvaga> "dvi" "driver" "card" and... googled it
[13:10] <Joel> mensvaga You clearly didn't read what I typed, it's ok, don't worry about helping me.
[13:10] <mensvaga> OK.  Show of hands.  Am I being thick headed?  Did I miss something?
[13:11] <imm0rtal2> i went to additional drivers and theres nothing there
[13:12] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, now i have been rying bunch of 'heavy stuff' streaming amazon prime and yt at same time.. and i managed to push temperature to 90 degrees.. but it doesn't overheat into shutdown regions..
[13:13] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: nice
[13:14] <imm0rtal2> so what now after lspci
[13:14] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: can you check if this file exists. nvidia-application-profiles-key-documentation at /usr/share/nvidia/
[13:14] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, still bit high though... but i think 10 degree difference.. i guess i have to do spring clean of laptop sometime tho..
[13:14] <jfeenstra> Jantje-beton
[13:14] <mensvaga> imm0rtal2: That rant was more or less for Joel, but lspci would probably help in your case too.
[13:14] <imm0rtal2> heres lspci https://pastebin.com/FaGeDLd9
[13:15] <mensvaga> Take the name of your device, and google it
[13:15] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, this file exists /usr/share/nvidia/nvidia-application-profiles-340.106-key-documentation
[13:15] <imm0rtal2> idk which one as it just shows vga
[13:15] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: can you take a backup of that file and keep it somewhere?
[13:16] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ooo crap
[13:16] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, i tried opening via terminal nvidia-settings and now again it shows the messed up nvidia-settings
[13:16] <_nedR> hmm... lemme see
[13:17] <mensvaga> imm0rtal2: lshwd
[13:17] <mensvaga> *
[13:17] <mensvaga> lshw
[13:17] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ah ok it is because i am on intel lol
[13:17] <mensvaga> That should have more information about the device itself.
[13:17] <phoenix_firebrd> _nedR: if you could can you paste that file here using any text paste service?
[13:17] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, ah ok one sec will do
[13:17] <mensvaga> lshw | less       then type '/' and type 'VGA' and hit enter.
[13:18] <mensvaga> lspci gives MUCH more specific information on my system than simple "VGA Compatible" blah
[13:18] <OS-23778> Was a patch ever issued for that security vuln that some goober put on twitter? 😒
[13:20] <imm0rtal2> product: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
[13:20] <imm0rtal2>              vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
[13:20] <imm0rtal2>  all i get
[13:23] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, here it is : https://pastebin.com/8ziQf33s
[13:25] <_nedR> phoenix_firebrd, i suppose the clincher was installing nvidia-331 in my case? for 620mgt or for ubuntu 14.04?
[13:26] <bh777_> I have set up NFSv3 between two 16.04 servers and am having difficulty regarding file locks. My first thought is that the locking daemon is not running. How would I go about checking this? I do not know what the process name is, and my tutorial does not cover the locking daemon at all.
[13:31] <dimde> Is the step "removing conflicting operating system files" supposed to take for ever… it’s been 20m or so now…
[13:35] <adrian_1908> dimde: https://askubuntu.com/questions/613660/stuck-on-removing-conflicting-operating-system-files-while-upgrading-from-14-0
[13:37] <dimde> so the easiest thing is to kill it and retry? Thing is I’m only doing this because a previous installation failed… I don’t really want to keep an old ubuntu-installation.
[13:38] <adrian_1908> dimde: yeah, probably easiest to kill and try again. Make sure you request during setup that the installation overwrite/remove the prior one.
[13:38] <dimde> adrian_1908 thing is, I want to keep a windows, though.
[13:39] <adrian_1908> dimde: be sure to delete the ubuntu partitions using the installer. Doesn't have to affect windows.
[13:39] <Butterfly_> Windows*
[13:39] <adrian_1908> right
[13:40] <Butterfly_> using a capital for Windows when referring to the OS can get rid of much confusion :)
[13:40] <adrian_1908> agreed, i noticed when i read it myself.
[13:41] <dimde> meh… I think I already have a couple of partitions from failed ubuntu-installs…
[13:42] <adrian_1908> good opportunity to clean things up then. I'd never leave cruft sitting around.
[13:43] <skinux>  /join #windows
[13:44] <manuelschneid3r> hi guys i got a symbol lookup error in 18 04
[13:44] <manuelschneid3r> in my qt application I make use of libXext
[13:44] <Butterfly_> skinux : no space before the /join
[13:44] <Butterfly_> manuelschneid3r : isn't 18.04 still in beta?
[13:45] <manuelschneid3r> which has always been pulled automatically by some package
[13:45]  * thresh waves
[13:45] <leftyfb> !bionic | manuelschneid3r
[13:45] <manuelschneid3r> sure but cant I help you with it?
[13:45] <manuelschneid3r> some of my users use it already
[13:45] <manuelschneid3r> and I think I found a bug
[13:45] <leftyfb> manuelschneid3r: please go to #ubuntu+1
[13:45] <manuelschneid3r> in the packaging of qt
[13:46] <leftyfb> manuelschneid3r: please go to #ubuntu+1 for discussion about/help with 18.04
[13:46] <manuelschneid3r> k
[13:46] <dimde> I have sda1 efi Windows boot manager, sda2 for 16MB unknown, sda3 ntfs for 64054MB (likely windows, right?), sda5 ext4 for 62885 (Old Ubuntu?), … Can I just delete anything that’s not ntfs?
[13:46] <dimde> (and sda1, obviously)
[13:48] <adrian_1908> dimde: looks like you'd want to get rid of sda5 and reclaim that space for your new installation.
[13:48] <dimde> I have also have an sda4 for a gig of ntfs… is that still needed?
[13:49] <leftyfb> dimde: find out what is on it first
[13:49] <sbique> st
[13:49] <adrian_1908> dimde: probably, god knows what Windows is placing there and why.
[13:50] <dimde> hm. a gig doesn't hurt too much anyways… so after freeing space I just hit install now, or do I have to set up partitions for ubuntu?
[13:50] <adrian_1908> dimde: if you have enough space, leave these alone. You gave the impression that you had multiple leftovers from prior Ubuntu installations, but if sda5 is the only ext, that's all I would touch.
[13:51] <Anywhere> I would only delete the ext4, windows uses a boot partition (if you aren't sure which is which)
[13:52] <dimde> "No root Filesystem is defined"
[13:52] <adrian_1908> dimde: I prefer to be explicit about it, but assuming the installer understands which free space it can use, i guess it'll just work.
[13:52] <manuelschneid3r> is it possible to manually lookup symbols?
[13:52] <leftyfb> manuelschneid3r: please go to #ubuntu+1 for discussion about/help with 18.04
[13:53] <dimde> adrian_1908 nope… doesn't seem to.
[13:53] <manuelschneid3r> and find out which lib provides symbol
[13:53] <leftyfb> dimde: you have to delete the sda5 partition, recreate a new one, then set it's mount point to /
[13:53] <adrian_1908> dimde: choose the manual route then, under filesystem you pick "/" i.e. the root
[13:53] <leftyfb> manuelschneid3r: please go to #ubuntu+1 for discussion about/help with 18.04
[13:53] <manuelschneid3r> leftyfb, my question is a general one
[13:53] <dimde> So I just create an ext4 in that empty space mounting into /?
[13:53] <adrian_1908> that is correct
[13:54] <dimde> primary or logical type?
[13:54] <dimde> (primary is the default)
[13:54] <adrian_1908> I can never remember, primary I think.
[13:55] <leftyfb> manuelschneid3r: not really. It's either an #ubuntu+1 issue, or it's not related to ubuntu at all and more a development issue. Try #whateverlanguageyourusing
[13:55] <adrian_1908> I don't know you, but consider leaving a bit of free space for a future partition if you think you might want that.
[13:56] <adrian_1908> dimde: have you installed Ubuntu alongside Windows on this drive before? Or did Windows come after? I assume the two don't like to live together in time of UEFI.
[13:56] <adrian_1908> *assumed
[13:57] <dimde> adrian_1908 I had windows first from the manufacturer, installed Ubuntu and ran into this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/984970/firmware-bug-tsc-deadline-disabled-due-to-errata-what-should-i-do-about-thi got told to update bios/uefi (which I did) and retry (which is where I’m now).
[13:59] <adrian_1908> dimde: I hope you figure that out. I have no experience with Ubuntu & Windows together.
[13:59] <dimde> adrian_1908 same here… installing either one alone has usually been pretty painless before, but this is for work and they want to keep the windows.
[14:06] <dimde> "remove the installation medium, then press enter" <does that> <nothing happens>… meh
[14:08] <leftyfb> dimde: I assume it did this at the end of the installation. The next step is to reboot. Though it should have done that when you removed the media.
[14:08] <leftyfb> dimde: I would try just rebooting
[14:08] <dimde> yes.
[14:08] <dimde> so I kill it?
[14:08] <ygl> hi all
[14:08] <dimde> log sais "systemd-journald: Failed to send WATCHDOG=1 notification message: Transport endpoint is not connected"
[14:08] <leftyfb> dimde: try just rebooting
[14:09] <leftyfb> ygl: hi. what can we do for you?
[14:09] <dimde> hm… boots into windows (instead of grub)
[14:09] <leftyfb> sounds like grub didn't get installed properly
[14:09] <dimde> didn’t complain though…
[14:09] <dimde> any way I can check?
[14:09] <leftyfb> I know little to nothing about EFI installs. I remove all that immediately since it's always just a huge mess
[14:11] <ygl> leftyfb: how to configure sr-iov igb modules in ubuntu 16 sor sr-iov support ??
[14:13] <ygl> leftyfb: any idea ?
[14:14] <dimde> I just booted into the installation stick… how would I check if grub configured properly during the install?
[14:16] <leftyfb> ygl: modprobe?
[14:19] <shai343> Hi I would like to disable apache2 keepalive feature.. I've found on the net that I should disable in /etc/apache2/conf/httpd.conf but this file not exists on my server?
[14:20] <OlofL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DVZcwjsZj9/ why hasnt this stopped properly? sdb is my sdcard
[14:21] <ygl> leftyfb: which module to load and what is the exact process to prepare an ubuntu 16.04 system for sr-iov support ?
[14:21] <ygl> leftyfb: i googled but could not find a single link official link from ubuntu 16
[14:21] <adrian_1908> shai343: see if /etc/apache2/apache2.conf exists and use that instead.
[14:21] <leftyfb> ygl: I don't know. If it were me, I would read the documentation for the device, contact the manufacturer and/or google it
[14:22] <leftyfb> ygl: it doesn't needs to be official for ubuntu 16.04. You can just google for linux
[14:22] <leftyfb> shai343: I would lookup "nokeepalive" and where it pertains to in the config
[14:23] <manuelschneid3r> leftyfb, i was referring to the symbol lookup question
[14:29] <dimde> I think this one helped me… https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/EFI_Installieren/
[14:30] <kus> I don't know why but artful sort of locks up on this desktop computer. is there a way I can enable crash reporting for unresponsive ui? seems to happen the most when there is a lot of traffic to and from the disk? like screen recording and uploading videos previously recorded to youtube at the same time artful gnome default haswell i5 processor and 8 GB ram no graphics card (integrated) vga
[14:31] <edin> oi
[14:31] <kus> oink oink oink
[14:31] <edin> ahii ahiii ahii
[14:32] <dimde> hm… apperently not permanently… after rebooting it boots back into windows.
[14:34] <dimde> how can I make the setting from `sudo efibootmgr -n 0004` stick?
[14:34] <leftyfb> manuelschneid3r: try #qt
[14:35] <tamayox> Hello there
[14:35] <kus> hi #qt
[14:36] <tamayox> I'm having a problem with my USB flash drive: Everytime I pass data to it, it gets corrupted. I've tried others USB drives and the result is the same. Any ideas?
[14:36] <tamayox> Thank you
[14:36] <dimde> Would that be `efibootmgr -o`?
[14:38] <dimde> "problem loading UEFI:db X.509 certificates"
[14:39] <kus> also why am I in ctrl + alt + f2?
[14:40] <dimde> hm… still boots into windows after running `efibootmgr -o $order_i_want` from the live-stick and running into the above upon `sudo reboot`.
[14:42] <dimde> y… after reboot it’s still the old sequence, not the one I set.
[14:46] <skinux> What is the right tool to burn a Ubuntu ISO to DVD using Ubuntu?
[14:48] <BluesKaj>  in the console wodim works , gui brasero
[14:49] <BluesKaj> personally I use wodim mostly because the guis like k3b and brasero fail on rewritable dvds
[14:51] <BluesKaj> skinux, can you boot usb , if so then dd works
[14:51] <skinux> Nah, older machine, it's not booting from USB.
[14:51] <jpe> I'm trying to run an old java app that needs 32 bit java. I just extracted it from the tarball into opt, and set JAVA_HOME and PATH. Now when I run it I get "no swt-pi-gtk in java.library.path". Some old stackoverflow answers tell me to install ia32-libs-gtk but this no longer exists. What would the right package be now?
[14:51] <skinux> I'm trying to use a legacy machine just for a personal web/file server
[14:52] <skinux> It's an old Compaq, 32-bit, 512MB RAM and probably not even 100G hard drive
[14:52] <Christoph> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/ia32-libs-gtk
[14:52] <Christoph> what about this site ?
[14:53] <skinux> Oh, wait. I can burn ISO to DVD just by burning it can't I?
[14:53] <gatekeeper__> I have created a batch file how do I get it to run?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> skinux, yup
[14:53] <skinux> gatekeeper__: You mean a .bat file?
[14:53] <lordcirth_work> gatekeeper__, batch or bash?
[14:53] <Christoph> gatekeeper__, batchfile in windows ?
[14:53] <skinux> Batch is Windows, LInux has Bash scripts
[14:54] <leftyfb> gatekeeper__: "batch" files do not run on linux. That's a Windows/DOS thing
[14:54] <Christoph> .sh or .bat
[14:54] <gatekeeper__> converting batch file to bash
[14:54] <skinux> However, I heard it is possible to install Batch scripting onto Linux as of recently.
[14:54] <Christoph> Bashscripting
[14:54] <Christoph> batch is not linux
[14:55] <leftyfb> gatekeeper__: in order to execute a script or binary on linux, you need to set it's executable bit with "chmod +x filename". Then you can call it with ./filename or /path/to/filename
[14:55] <Christoph> maybe look at this site http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/dosbatch.html
[14:55] <gatekeeper__> ok ta
[14:55] <Christoph> no prob
[14:57] <skinux> Umm, I did send-to DVD, but how do I tell it to actually burn?
[14:58] <Knowhere_> skinux: Linux is free if your time is worthless, meaning you have to put a little work into it. As an added bonus you will become a search engine guru.
[14:58] <leftyfb> skinux: it depends on what program you're using to burn your DVD
[14:58] <skinux> What is that supposed to mean?
[14:59] <skinux> Umm FIle Manager says CD/DVD Creator
[15:00] <dimde> "Apparently Acer customizes Insyde's firmware after they take delivery, and they've (maybe) got another variable they're keeping the boot order in, and regenerating it each time during boot.
[15:00] <dimde> This is completely nonstandard behavior, but if we can identify what they're doing, we may still be able to make efibootmgr support it." -- meh
[15:00] <dimde> ^ from https://github.com/rhboot/efibootmgr/issues/19
[15:02] <skinux> I found Xfburn
[15:02] <skinux> Thanks
[15:02] <geodb27> People : hi ! I'm having issues with an ubuntu-lts64 16.04 server : it complains every minutes or so that systemd-logind.service's main process exited. Is that a know issue ?
[15:04] <jpe> the answer to my above question was libgtk2.0-0:i386
[15:05] <BelaDona> just a moment
[15:06] <adrian_1908> dimde: If your system has enough RAM, and you don't need every last drop of performance, I would consider running one of the OSes in a virtual machine inside the other.
[15:06] <adrian_1908> Also has the upside that you don't have to reboot to work with either.
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> geodb27, we need more information. Is that an error that appears on the screen? Is it being logged to syslog? Can you provide a pastebin of your log files with lines preceeding and following?
[15:07] <dimde> adrian_1908 nah… that’s not really, what I want.
[15:14] <geodb27> thanks for your answer pragmaticenigma. This message appears at boot time and when typing "journalctl -xf" in a terminal.
[15:14] <geodb27> I'm trying to get relevant information to pastebin them all.
[15:16] <geodb27> https://pastebin.com/Gc8Znpev here we are.
[15:17] <pragmaticenigma> geodb27, did you install any of the desktop packages? Is this a fresh install or was a package recently installed?
[15:18] <geodb27> pragmaticenigma: It is not a fresh install, but I did not install any of the desktop packages. I only installed what was required to have apache + php (5.6) + lxd running. Nothing more.
[15:19] <geodb27> This machine has been running for one year, I would say, and is designed only for what I've juste mentionned.
[15:22] <ioria> geodb27,  so cannot boot or have a prompt ?
[15:23] <geodb27> The "funnny" thing is the following : I have three machines for this same exact purpose. Two physical ones and one virtual one. The two physical ones behave the same and have these messages repeatdly. The virtual server don't.
[15:24] <geodb27> Same ubuntu-lts 16.04 installed at the same time on the three servers. And the machines boot, but keep having troubles like I said before, ioria.
[15:25] <ioria> geodb27,  can you run  sudo apt update   and sudo apt full-upgrade ? check  for errors, if any
[15:26] <geodb27> hang on, ioria, I'll give it a try.
[15:33] <geodb27> I have errors for the full-upgrade, because lxd's packages are now out of apt. But I guess I succedded in getting this error out and things are in progress. It will take some time.
[15:38] <lupulo> geodb27, you could use aptitude full-upgrade
[15:39] <geodb27> From what I've seen that is in progress : everything but what's lxd related is beeing updated. That's fine.
[15:44] <DeathTickle> anyone wanna help me out debugging what looks like an xorg problem ? I'm on a macbook pro 8.2 with dual graphics (amd-intel), kernel 4.4 boots fine but on any kernel above 4.10 I am getting black flashes on the login screen and xorg logs shows a seg fault
[15:46] <kus> i decided I wanted to create new gnupg keys but I am running into problems https://hastebin.com/obanevuzov.coffeescript
[15:46] <kus> I am on ubuntu artful
[15:48] <kus> ah I have to kill the agent
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> DeathTickle, what verions of Ubuntu are you on?
[15:53] <DeathTickle> I'm on 16.04
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> How are you upgrading your kernel?
[15:58] <pragmaticenigma> DeathTickle, how are you upgrading your kernel?
[15:59] <DeathTickle> I'm using the hardware enablement kernel pragmaticenigma
[16:00] <akem> Wow, i even got my special laptop keys functionning out of the box on Ubuntu 17.10, very nice.
[16:01] <DeathTickle> I might try a newer Ubuntu version since the Xorg version might be incompatible in some way
[16:08] <Anywhere> is there any way to switch from 32-bit to 64-bit os or do I just have to reinstall?
[16:09] <Butterfly_> Anywhere : reinstall is needed
[16:10] <DeathTickle> Anywhere: maybe have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiArch
[16:10] <Butterfly_> Anywhere : can your pc handle 64 bit? if so, why did it have 32 bit installed in the first place?
[16:10] <Anywhere> thanks guys
[16:11] <fabhab> we are launching a high altitiude balloon any good places near london?
[16:11] <nacc> fabhab: wow, totally offtopic.
[16:12] <fabhab> e
[16:12] <fabhab> whats the topic then
[16:12] <nacc> fabhab: read /topic
[16:12] <nacc> fabhab: this is the Ubuntu support channel
[16:12] <fabhab> what is thAT
[16:12] <fabhab> we are launching a high altitiude ballon any good places near london?
[16:13] <nacc> fabhab: stop.
[16:13] <fabhab> NO
[16:13] <fabhab> where can we ask the question, what chat shall we join
[16:13] <nacc> fabhab: i have no idea, but not here
[16:13] <nacc> !alis | fabhab
[16:13] <za1b1tsu> Can someone help please, I ruined my desktop, spent weeks fine tuning my desktop in lubuntu and today I removed pcmanfm and modified autostart and rebooted, and now my desktop is going. I have pure LXDE, Unity or OpenBox
[16:14] <fabhab> thanks
[16:14] <za1b1tsu> I reinstalled pcmanfm in unity and reinsert the line in pcmanfm, https://gist.github.com/bbtdev/704c3d78e0ec7524c8cf007ba93ff69a
[16:14] <za1b1tsu> but no success, anything I can do? It's not starting Lubuntu, only ubuntu unity, lxde, openbox
[16:14] <DiecastMessiah> fabhab: irc type querstions you can try #freenode
[16:15] <za1b1tsu> *reinsert the line in autostart
[16:17] <DiecastMessiah> isn't lxde lubuntu .
[16:17] <za1b1tsu> DiecastMessiah, Lubuntu is based on lxde, but this is not my desktop.
[16:18] <za1b1tsu> I think this is pure lxde or something, not Lubuntu
[16:18] <DiecastMessiah> lubuntu is just really the desktop
[16:18] <DiecastMessiah> like xfce is xubuntu
[16:18] <za1b1tsu> ok, but this is not my desktop, my settings, configurations all are gone
[16:19] <DiecastMessiah> just has doftware per installed
[16:19] <DiecastMessiah> oh ok
[16:20] <za1b1tsu> can someone please help? :(
[16:23] <ioria> za1b1tsu, already tried   sudo apt install --reinstall lubuntu-desktop ?
[16:24] <za1b1tsu> ioria, Im affraid Im going to loose my setup
[16:24] <za1b1tsu> is it a high possiblity?
[16:24] <micros> hello. i am trying to extend a VM disk and when i run pvcreate -vvv it tells me skipping, too small to hold a PV.  When i created the partition, i used the default start/stop sector sizes which i assume was all the remaining space on the VM disk.  The side of /dev/sda3 is 1023K (type 8E Linux LVM).  thoughts? thanks.
[16:25] <za1b1tsu> this is my lubuntu last log https://gist.github.com/bbtdev/56bfdff0abd76bd90195d02097672637
[16:25] <za1b1tsu> but I reinstalled pcmanfm so idk what I can do about that
[16:28] <akik> micros: 1023K is one megabyte. is that correct?
[16:28] <DiecastMessiah> 1024
[16:28] <melodie> hello
[16:29] <micros> yes
[16:30] <melodie> I would like some info about using bluetooth, right now I have a laptop with a bluetooth dongle which works, and a mobile phone, I am using bluetooth for the first time. I have been able to pair them to send file from one and from the other : success. Now I would like to know what else I can do with it?
[16:30] <akik> micros: i found a mention that the minimum size is equal to the physical extent size
[16:30] <micros> can you share that link
[16:30] <micros> hmm i think the idea is to extend the partition later
[16:30] <akik> micros: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/34732/what-is-the-smallest-lvm2-logical-volume-unit/34752#34752
[16:30] <micros> thanks. let me review
[16:30] <melodie> for instance, if I configure the laptop to use bluetooth loudspeakers is it the same as configuring for bluetooth headsets?
[16:31] <melodie> as in the help ubuntu doc here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothAudio
[16:31] <akik> micros: maybe you just need to make it 1024 KiB
[16:31] <micros> akik - i used the default which were all remaining sectors
[16:31] <micros> i am following:   https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1006371
[16:32] <melodie> I need help with that because tomorrow I will need to help someone who would be really unable to find using help online on irc or in docs...
[16:32] <micros> My VM disk was 20GB, I am trying to build a linux distro and ran out of space.  I resized the disk in the VMWare VM settings to 60GB, and am trying to create a new partition to expand and then switch over
[16:33] <melodie> can someone help me learn some bits about bluetooth ?
[16:33] <akik> micros: vgdisplay -v shows the details for the volume group. what's your physical extent size?
[16:34] <melodie> never mind, I'll ask somewhere else
[16:36] <nacc> melodie: you mean about how the hardware works (##hardware)?
[16:37] <nacc> melodie: it's not really an ubuntu support topic
[16:42] <BadPractice> https://www.digi.com/resources/documentation/digidocs/90001546/reference/yocto/r_application_development_yocto.htm
[16:42] <muricantrump> hi
[16:42] <nacc> BadPractice: why did you paste that here?
[16:43] <james__> %n
[16:43] <muricantrump> how to update to 17.10 from 16.04
[16:44] <nacc> muricantrump: do-release-upgrade after editing /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades to be "normal" instead of "lts", or if you're using a GUI, there's an option under when to be notified of updates, iirc
[16:46] <DiecastMessiah> muricantrump: i would hold off.. i think 17.10 will not be supported soon ..
[16:47] <DiecastMessiah> and wait awhile for 18.04 to relesed
[16:47] <philipp> sorry i asked him to
[16:47] <philipp> needed the intel
[16:47] <Butterfly_> 17.10 supported till July 2018
[16:48] <nacc> DiecastMessiah: depends on your definition of soon :)
[16:49] <nacc> philipp: ?
[16:49] <philipp> nacc, its not like we posted boobs or sth...
[16:49] <DiecastMessiah> sorry i though it was just a month .. forgot its 9 months
[16:50] <DiecastMessiah> i think he means he asked BadPractice to post that link
[16:50] <za1b1tsu> I managed to do it, apparently when I installed the file manager pcmanfm, it uninstalled these as well: Remove: lxde-core:amd64 (7ubuntu1), lubuntu-default-settings:amd64 (0.46.1), pcmanfm:amd64 (1.2.4-1ubuntu0.1), lubuntu-default-session:amd64 (0.46.1)
[16:51] <za1b1tsu> reinstalled the packages and now Im back. I love linux, but this is some scary stuff. Why would it unisntall those packages for the file manager
[16:51] <za1b1tsu> *uninstaled
[16:51] <nacc> philipp: well, this isn't a yocto channel and that doesn't appear to be an Ubuntu support topic. If you just wanted the link from that person, use your own channel or a PM.
[16:52] <nacc> za1b1tsu: becasue pcmanfm is a core lubuntu package?
[16:52] <za1b1tsu> nacc, a file manager is a core package?
[16:52] <nacc> za1b1tsu: so you had to say yes at the prompt when it chose to remove those, and you might have done so without reading (never a good idea in the case of package removals)
[16:52] <Irritiable> XFCE works with Ubuntu or is that XUbuntu I'm thinking of?
[16:52] <nacc> za1b1tsu: for a desktop environemnt, yes; i believe removing nautilus on gnome does the same
[16:53] <za1b1tsu> nacc, I see got to be more careful next time, learn by mistakes :|
[16:53] <miguelc084> hi anybody has b&o audio drivers? mine work on headsets but not on speakers on linux. on windows is fine
[16:53] <DiecastMessiah> Irritiable: yes xfce will work
[16:53] <philipp> nacc, instructions are ment to be executed on ubuntu
[16:53] <DiecastMessiah> xubuntu is just a installer with per-installed software
[16:53] <Irritiable> DiecastMessiah: Thanks.
[16:53] <philipp> nacc, first line
[16:53] <Irritiable> sudo apt install xfce4 :)
[16:54] <za1b1tsu> I really like lubuntu, for a few months I had to use an old laptop and it worked well
[16:55] <nacc> philipp: that doesn't make it an ubuntu support topic, and i feel like maybe you know that..
[16:55] <DiecastMessiah> Irritiable: once you installed that you may need to reboot so it will show options to use that desktop env at login screen
[16:55] <Irritiable> DiecastMessiah: Should be able to log out / log in.
[16:55] <Irritiable> We'll see.
[16:56] <DiecastMessiah> Irritiable: you can.. but not sure if the gear icon will show
[16:56] <Irritiable> DiecastMessiah: Just looking for something a little lighter weight than GNOME/KDE.
[16:57] <Irritiable> 1GHz 4-core CPU, no GPU, 4GB RAM (soldered).
[16:57] <Irritiable> Unfortunately: I put 64-bit instead of 32-bit on. :D
[16:57] <DiecastMessiah> xfce and lxde are the lightest
[16:57] <Irritiable> Figured I'd test out XFCE real fast.
[16:57] <Irritiable> LXDE? Never heard of it.
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> !lxde
[16:57] <DiecastMessiah> lightweight x desktop env
[16:58] <za1b1tsu> Irritiable, LXDE is a little more lightweight then XFCE
[16:58] <Irritiable> za1b1tsu: Ah.
[16:58] <Irritiable> DiecastMessiah: "Lean" not "Light"
[16:58] <DiecastMessiah> yes not much by to much really
[16:58] <Irritiable> Looks like a few years old already.
[16:58] <za1b1tsu> Irritiable, it needs less RAM then XFCE
[16:58] <Irritiable> za1b1tsu: I just saw that.
[16:59] <Irritiable> https://www.quora.com/Which-is-better-LXDE-or-XFCE
[16:59] <za1b1tsu> I used for 2 months and it's great
[16:59] <Irritiable> za1b1tsu: Hardware specs?
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> XFCE has some added abilities to work with applications that are meant to be native to Gnome or KDE environments (such as autostart)
[16:59] <za1b1tsu> Irritiable, core i3, 4gb
[16:59] <Irritiable> I might try out LXDE just for shits 'n' giggles, but I may end up using XFCE.
[17:00] <Irritiable> za1b1tsu: Just another run of the mill laptop?
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> Irritiable, When I need a desktop, I use LXDE on my old Celeron, 2 Ghz 1 Gig RAM laptops
[17:00] <pragmaticenigma> old circa 2004
[17:00] <za1b1tsu> Irritiable, pretty beatup laptop, but I really loved it, made it pretty as well
[17:01] <Irritiable> pragmaticenigma: Wow. That's pretty beefy.
[17:01] <Irritiable> My desktop in '04 was a 1.8GHz, 512GB RAM, on-board GPU, 64-bit CPU.
[17:01] <Irritiable> AMD Semrpon (sexy 256KB L2)
[17:02] <Irritiable> That's 512MB RAM * two sticks (DIMM)
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> That celeron didn't have L2 cache *shocked face*
[17:02] <Irritiable> pragmaticenigma: LOL
[17:02] <Irritiable> No L2 on a 2GHz in '04?! 32 bit, I presume.
[17:02] <nacc> Irritiable: za1b1tsu: ok, now offtopic :)
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[17:02] <nacc> let's stick to ubuntu support issues please
[17:02] <Irritiable> ... We are.
[17:03] <nacc> right now, you're comparing hardware afaict -- what is the support issue?
[17:03] <Irritiable> LXDE / XFCE are not designed for 5GHz CPUs with 1GB VRAM GPUs.
[17:03] <Irritiable> My ancient hardware and poor financial status in life.
[17:03] <nacc> Irritiable: latter is definitely not a support issue :)
[17:03] <Irritiable> Namely making this semi-modernized laptop into something usable (shipped with Windows 10).
[17:03] <nacc> Irritiable: and .. ancient hardware; ok, so did you try lubuntu or xubuntu? did you have any issue with them?
[17:03] <Irritiable> nacc: Support's my sanity! :p
[17:03] <Irritiable> I asked about XUbuntu earlier. I was thinking of XFCE.
[17:03] <nacc> Irritiable: as amusing as that is, it is noise in the channel and makes it harder to help people with specific issues
[17:04] <Irritiable> Waiting on this Windows XP 32-bit SP3 ISO to finish downloading (since this laptop doesn't have a CD-ROM drive: I can't use my old install disc).
[17:04] <JimBuntu> Irritiable, come on over to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[17:04] <Irritiable> Understandable. I'll pipe down if someone else talks. D:
[17:04] <Irritiable> JimBuntu: Alrighty.
[17:04] <nacc> Irritiable: no, that's not how being ontopic works
[17:04] <nacc> it's not: be noisy until someone is around, it's: don't be noisy.
[17:13] <uplime> is there any difference between the locales en_US.utf-8 and en_US.UTF-8?
[17:17] <DeeJayTwo> I have network shares in my file browser and I can open them from File->Open in most applications.
[17:17] <DeeJayTwo> Now I want to do from kdenlive and it doesn't show network shares..
[17:17] <Random832> uplime, no
[17:18] <DeeJayTwo> how should I do it?
[17:18] <uplime> Random832: hmm ok
[17:20] <akik> DeeJayTwo: how have you mounted them? do you see them when you run "df" ?
[17:20] <DeeJayTwo> akik: No
[17:24] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I know there's a command line command to see the workings of a joystick, just to see if it's working. Can someone please remind me of the command?
[17:24] <JBbanks__> hi
[17:27] <israel_> bonjour à tous
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> !fr | israel_
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> !info joystick | Richard_Cavell can this help?
[17:29] <israel_> Hello!
[17:30] <Richard_Cavell> lotuspsychje, thanks, that's it. Here is my lsusb output: https://ideone.com/5uZl3f What's the device name of the Mad Catz entry?
[17:30] <kus> does ubuntu have some kind of key chain that gets unlocked when I log in to the computer?
[17:40] <micros> akik - sorry got disconnected
[17:40] <micros> so, vggroup doesnt return anything since there are no volume groups yet
[17:41] <DrWatson> is someone using 'wine staging' and bumblebee ?
[17:41] <lordcirth_work> DrWatson, don't ask poll questions, ask your real question
[17:42] <micros> repost - hi. i am trying to extend a VM disk and when i run pvcreate -vvv it tells me skipping, too small to hold a PV.  When i created the partition, i used the default start/stop sector sizes which i assume was all the remaining space on the VM disk.  The side of /dev/sda3 is 1023K (type 8E Linux LVM).  thoughts? thanks.
[17:43] <lordcirth_work> micros, Is the VM disk an LV on your host or what?
[17:43] <lordcirth_work> Or is this LVM inside the VM disk?
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> DrWatson, winehq and it's supporting programs and libraries are not part of the available packages for Ubuntu. You may find help at #winehq
[17:47] <JBbanks__> hi
[17:47]  * JBbanks__ slaps everyone a thousand times
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> JBbanks__, do you have a support question? If not, you welcome to join us in #ubuntu-offtopic for conversation
[17:48]  * jbiz slaps prag
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> jbiz: please dont use highlights here, only ubuntu support
[17:50] <DrWatson> ok
[17:52] <akik> micros: why do you work with such a small partition?
[17:53] <akik> micros: the error message you receive says "too small to hold a pv"
[17:55] <micros> think i solved it
[17:55] <micros> fdisk F was showing the unpartitioned 40GB, but the recommended start/stop sector numbers had to be manually overwritten
[17:55] <micros> once i specified the right start/stop sectors, i got a new partition 40GB.  continuing process now
[17:56] <akik> micros: there you go. good work
[18:07] <akem_> Hey, my syslog and kernlog gets flooded with that kind of messages https://pastebin.com/mZ1Eg1Mn, any idea?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> akem_: looks like this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1521173
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> akem_: reply #9 says he has a workaround
[18:13] <wewlad> hello
[18:13] <BelaDona> hello do you have a video?
[18:13] <akem_> lotuspsychje, thanks lotuspsychje i will try this, it apparently uses lots of disk space.
[18:13] <wewlad> sorry for a not so related to ubuntu question, but I don't know where else to ask: what are the built-in users like 'nobody' and 'users'?
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> akem_: is your system up to date aswell?
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> !support | BelaDona
[18:15] <akem_> lotuspsychje, yes, Ubuntu 17.10.
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> akem_: another test could be: trying a liveusb of an LTS version to compare if you have these errors too
[18:16] <kus> is it possible to start a graphical application like hexchat remotely over ssh? How would I do that?
[18:17] <akem_> lotuspsychje, ok.
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> kus: ssh X or irssi on ssh or ask in #openssh channel
[18:22] <akko> cheesy oozy
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> akem: any luck?
[18:22] <akem> lotuspsychje, Thanks a lot, it fixed the issue!
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> akem: can you add yourself affected to the bug and describe fix #9 worked?
[18:23] <EriC^^> kus: start ssh using ssh -X user@host
[18:24] <akem> lotuspsychje, i can try to do that, i'm using a HP Pavilion laptop.
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> akem: tnx mate
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> akem: you will be helping the community this way
[18:26] <happy_hacker> are the instructions on this page the right way to get this Go-For-It package? http://manuel-kehl.de/projects/go-for-it/
[18:28] <fetido> ¿how do i upgrade ubuntuu 14.04 to 18.04 ? ? ?
[18:30] <kostkon> fetido, 14.04 → 16.04 → 18.04
[18:30] <fetido> ¿ i have to reinstall 2 times then?
[18:30] <happy_hacker> actually, I'd prefer this source https://github.com/JMoerman/Go-For-It
[18:31] <EriC^^> fetido: sudo do-release-upgrade -d might get you there
[18:31] <EriC^^> !ubuntu+1 | fetido
[18:32] <fetido> EriC^^: thanks
[18:32]  * happy_hacker has a beaver picture in his mind .... hmmmmm
[18:32] <fetido> ubottu: ¿why do you guys have so many channel variants?
[18:32] <fetido> :(
[18:33] <fetido> sorry
[18:33] <fetido> EriC^^: ¿why do you guys have so many channel variants?
[18:34] <kostkon> !sorry | fetido
[18:34] <EriC^^> i guess so stuff is more organized
[18:34] <EriC^^> fetido: ^
[18:34] <pragmaticenigma> wewlad, nobody and users are more group categories than users. They are often used to demote privileges for a system process when a more dedicated user/group does not exist. The main purpose is to avoid running processes under the root privilege for system security.
[18:35] <EriC^^> fetido: 18.04 is unreleased so not many know about it, the guys in #ubuntu+1 should know more
[18:35] <andrew99> Hi
[18:35] <EriC^^> hello
[18:35] <kostkon> andrew99, hi
[18:35] <andrew99> can someone answer a question I have about  “Graphics Drivers” team ppa?
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> fetido, There are different channels for specializing in specific areas and flavors of the Ubuntu ecosystem.
[18:36] <EriC^^> andrew99: ask the question
[18:36] <kostkon> andrew99, we don't support ppas per se but ask away and we'll see
[18:36] <andrew99> I want to know if the  “Graphics Drivers” team ppa is signed by canonical because of secure boot
[18:36] <fetido> pragmaticenigma: goti t
[18:36] <fetido> >got it
[18:37] <wewlad> pragmaticenigma: problem is that I mount a user-accessible dir with files to a docker container that builds an application in that folder, but the output is that some of the files are owned by root and thus are inaccessible to the user on host machine, I thought I could do `sudo chown -R nobody:nobody` onto that dir to make it accessible by all users, but turns out it's not working like that, so for now I did 'sudo chown -R `whoami`:`who
[18:37] <wewlad> ami`'
[18:37] <wewlad> but that solution sucks
[18:37] <wewlad> anyways, thank you for your answer, pragmaticenigma
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> wewlad, There are ways to mount directories so they use a proper user account. Depending on what you are attempting to do will depend on how you mount the directory
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> wewlad, otherwise, files are written and given permission based on the user account that create those files
[18:40] <wewlad> pragmaticenigma: I am using official `node` docker image and it's default user is root, I dunno if there are more users in that image, but even if there are - it means I'll have to create my own dockerfile and docker image from it, while I wanted to keep things simple
[18:41] <andrew99> It seems to be working but I want to be sure that secure boot is enforced
[18:42] <EriC^^> andrew99: if it's enabled in the bios then it's enabled
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> andrew99, PPAs have no effect on Secure Boot... Secure Boot is concerned with booting the operating system only
[18:42] <andrew99> yes its enabled on the bios
[18:42] <andrew99> to my knowlege the nvidia driver loads a module into the kernel
[18:42] <andrew99> under secure boot
[18:43] <andrew99> only signed modules are allowed
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> PPA signing is to ensure that the packages being offered by a PPA are authorized to do so in case a malicious 3rd party was able to manipulate the packages.
[18:43] <andrew99> Ive read on the ubuntu wiki
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> driver signing is a different matter entirely. modules loaded by the kernel occur after UEFI has validated
[18:44] <andrew99> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[18:46] <andrew99> "Unsigned modules are simply refused by the kernel. Any attempt to insert them with insmod or modprobe will fail with an error message. "
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> andrew99, that's kernel level, not UEFI
[18:50] <andrew99> "Once loaded, validated kernels will disable the firmware's Boot Services, thus dropping privileges and effectively switching to user mode; where access to trusted variables is limited to read-only. Given the broad permissions afforded to kernel modules, any module not built into the kernel will also need to be validated upon loading. Modules built and shipped by Canonical with the official kernels are signed by the Canonical UEFI 
[18:50] <andrew99> so are the nvidia modules signed?
[18:51] <andrew99> "Custom-built modules will require the user to take the necessary steps to sign the modules before they loading them is allowed by the kernel. This can be achieved by using the 'kmodsign' command "
[18:55] <andrew99> It seems DKMS does the signing
[18:55] <andrew99> "Some projects may require the use of custom kernel drivers that are not set up in such a way as to work with DKMS. In these cases, people should make use of the tools included in the shim-signed package: the update-secureboot-policy script is available to generate a new MOK"
[18:55] <andrew99> Am I right?
[18:57] <nacc> andrew99: this might be better asked in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:58] <nacc> i would believe the ubuntu provided nvidia drivers would work with secureboot, but i don't know that for a fact
[18:59] <kostkon> andrew99, why do you want to use the ones from the PPA
[19:01] <ballistic> Hey guys
[19:02] <ballistic> i kinda messed up, i have gotten myself into a little issue here - i managed to make my domain point to my ip and my wordpress site to my domain
[19:02] <Exterminador> hello guys. I have a vps and to mount an external volume they advise to use: mkdir -p /mnt/data && mount /dev/vdb /mnt/data, but i'd like to know if it's possible to mount the extra volume as an "extension" of the main disk, in a matter of speaking or if that's the correct way to do things.
[19:03] <pragmaticenigma> kostkon, The Graphics Driver PPA is contains the same graphics card specific drivers that you can get direct from the vendor. The packages are fined tuned to work better with Ubuntu. Essentially it's the same as going to nvidia and downloading their driver install. But if there are any conflicts or issues, the Graphics Driver team may have ironed them out a little better for Ubuntu
[19:06] <nacc> Exterminador: what do you mean by 'extension'?
[19:06] <Exterminador> nacc, like if the 2 volumes were one
[19:06] <tomreyn> Exterminador: you could make a partition on the primary disk as well as the secondary disk (or a partitionon it) LVM PVs, which would then allow you to create a file system spanning both disks.
[19:06] <nacc> Exterminador: you'd use LVM for that
[19:07] <nacc> Exterminador: but you'd lose your existing data, i believe, to do taht
[19:07] <tomreyn> well you could do it using gparted, in a two step conversion, but it's complicated.
[19:07] <Exterminador> oh damn.. so, the way they advise is really the best approach?
[19:07] <lordcirth_work> If the new disk is bigger, you could format it LVM, move your data onto it, then extend onto the old disk?
[19:08] <nacc> Exterminador: well it really depends on what you need/want
[19:08] <nacc> lordcirth_work: yes, that's true
[19:08] <nacc> or if you have backups of the data, it may not matter
[19:09] <tomreyn> ballistic: this isn't really ubuntu related, nor do you seem to be asking a question.
[19:09] <Exterminador> i just need to know is if when one disk starts to run low in space if the other one will be automatically used..
[19:09] <Exterminador> or if the OS kinda divide things
[19:10] <nacc> Exterminador: well, it depends, in the case of their recommendation, on where you are running out of disk (the paths)
[19:10] <tomreyn> Exterminador: you wont be able to make the two disks into a single disks unless you'll use LVM or RAID.
[19:11] <Exterminador> well, i'll do what they recommend and see :D
[19:11] <philippirrip> hi I cannot create a gpg key as a non root user? artful https://gist.github.com/iHeartEstella/c5eb15edfe4b920e9cd6cd7cb9e8fabe
[19:12] <andrew99> I use the ones from the ppa because they are newer and still seem to work under secure boot, i'm just curious how it is working, im going to ask in #ubuntu-kernel Thank you all
[19:12] <nacc> philippirrip: i doubt that's true in general
[19:13] <nacc> philippirrip: are you doing this in a cntainer or a real system?
[19:13] <Exterminador> is this correct to auto mount the disk on boot? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m6ZBMXPD4r/
[19:14] <jibin2706_> hi
[19:15] <nacc> Exterminador: it seems right, but i've not used that specifically
[19:15] <jibin2706_> anyone?
[19:15] <nacc> Exterminador: also NBD, i assume, not NDB :)
[19:15] <jibin2706_> ???
[19:15] <nacc> jibin2706_: you haven't asked a question..
[19:15] <tomreyn> !ask | jibin2706_
[19:15] <jibin2706_> lol
[19:15] <hashworks> Hi! I have a user on the phone that has Ubuntu 15.10. Since this release is end of life I wanted him to upgrade to Xenial with do-release-upgrade, however he is missing apt
[19:15] <hashworks> The required dependency 'apt (>= 1.0.10.2ubuntu2)' is not installed.
[19:15] <hashworks> I'm an archlinux guy so no idea about ubuntu package management
[19:16] <hashworks> He said he can't install apt
[19:16] <hashworks> Any idea?
[19:16] <tomreyn> hashworks: use apt-get
[19:16] <nacc> !eolupgrade | hashworks
[19:16] <jibin2706_> if i logiin again with same userid will i get my messages?
[19:16] <nacc> jibin2706_: what do you mean by messages?
[19:16] <tomreyn> hashworks: s/he should rather reinstall, though
[19:16] <jibin2706_> irc message
[19:17] <nacc> jibin2706_: uh, that completely depends on what you are using for your client, etc.
[19:17] <nacc> jibin2706_: by default? probably not
[19:17] <jibin2706_> thanks man!
[19:18] <nacc> jibin2706_: that's not really about ubuntu but about your irc client, fwiw
[19:18] <jibin2706_> but somewhere a form asked me about IRC nickname on Freenode so what should i put there
[19:19] <tomreyn> !register | jibin2706_
[19:19] <philippirrip> I think there is something else I am doing incorrectly. oh well
[19:20] <hashworks> nacc: Thanks
[19:20] <tomreyn> philippirrip: use gnupg2, gpg is legacy
[19:21] <tomreyn> philippirrip: oh you already do, sorry
[19:22] <hashworks> tomreyn: Yeah I told him to check out the link and noted your suggestion, I guess he'll reinstall now
[19:22] <hashworks> It's the laptop from his grandma afaik, so I guess there won't be much loss :D
[19:22] <jibin2706_> whats server tab
[19:22] <Exterminador> this seems okay? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cvK88mzQtq/
[19:24] <tomreyn> Exterminador: okay in which way?
[19:25] <Exterminador> i mean the mount paths and so
[19:25] <tomreyn> Exterminador: it's not showing obvious mistakes. buut it all depends on what you are trying to achive.
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> philippirrip, makes the folder ~/.gnupg is read and writeable to your user, as well as the files secring.gpg and pubring.gpg in that folder are also writeable
[19:26] <pragmaticenigma> philippirrip, * that should have started with "make sure the... "
[19:34] <Exterminador> tomreyn: I'm just hoping that the snaps that I'm going to install and so use the totality (100Gb) than just the 50Gb of /
[19:38] <tomreyn> Exterminador: this wont work in the current setup, no
[19:38] <Exterminador> :/
[19:39] <Exterminador> only LVM would work?
[19:41] <Exterminador> but I have no idea how to use LVM and stuff. and the problem is that the server has already some things installed (not very important tho)
[19:42] <BelaDona> dental floss
[19:42] <nacc> BelaDona: wrong channel again?
[19:43] <nacc> Exterminador: this is for snaps?
[19:43] <Exterminador> nacc: I'll use it also for WordPress and Matrix
[19:43] <Exterminador> basically, I want to make the 2 disks to be one
[19:45] <nacc> Exterminador: well, i mean your snaps consumption on disk is all in /var/lib/snaps ... they get mounted (squashfs) into /snap
[19:45] <nacc> Exterminador: if you really want two disks into one you would need to use RAID or LVM, as mentioned alrady
[19:46] <Exterminador> alright, I'm going to try to use LVM and see
[19:48] <lordcirth_work> Exterminador, why not mount /var/lib/snaps from the other disk?  Sorry if I missed part of this convo
[19:48] <lordcirth_work> I started CCSM and my desktop crashed...
[19:55] <BelaDona> i''m sorry i missed that message
[19:55] <guest-xxp1x4> lol
[19:55] <guest-xxp1x4> hello
[20:00] <VMITIC> Hi, all! I have no wifi connection on my laptop hp 15-bs036ng.
[20:00] <VMITIC> Contains Realtek Radio Model: RTL 8732DE
[20:01] <VMITIC> It runs Xubuntu 16.04
[20:01] <VMITIC> It would be nice if someone could help me to fix this problem. Thanks in advance
[20:04] <ioria> VMITIC, DE or BE ?
[20:05] <anonnumberanon> Hi I have this Debian install to play with, no risk of damaging the OS. Trying to get the W530 nvidia laptop to use several external monitors. What should I do? When i plug in a Ubuntu live CD the screens get detected and used automatically but with this Debian I have to set it up myself.
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> anonnumberanon, this channel is for ubuntu support. not debian.
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> !debian
[20:06] <VMITIC> ioria, DE
[20:07] <qswz> I'd like to keep verrnum always enabled
[20:07] <qswz> it seems I press on it, unintentionally, and disable it
[20:08] <qswz> make me mad every time
[20:08] <nacc> qswz: wat is verrnum?
[20:08] <nacc> *what
[20:08] <qswz> oh sryy, the numpad lock key
[20:08] <qswz> NumLock in english I thin
[20:08] <cheguacamole> "Hello I've been using a live-OS-with-persistent-storage-maker from inside windows 7. I'd like to be able to make it without the Lili utility." <<< sorry I know is wrong syntax.  Can someone help me tidy up the syntax / condense it so that I can google the procedures myself.
[20:09] <nacc> qswz: ah
[20:09] <nacc> qswz: sometimes it's a bios seeting
[20:09] <qswz> sometimes it becomes disabled, I don't even know why
[20:10] <qswz> I'll check bios ok
[20:10] <nacc> qswz: it can depend on whether there is a numlock enabled device or not, i expect
[20:10] <nacc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[20:10] <brightspark> qswz: create a custom keyboard layout, exactly the same as your current one, but with verrnum mapped to null-effect
[20:10] <qswz> ok, other possiblilty thx
[20:11] <qswz> I hope there's nothing else that disable it, else I'd be screwed
[20:12] <brightspark> qswz: if it gets disabled by another means, switch to your original keyboard layout and reenable
[20:12] <qswz> Ok thanks will do
[20:14] <qswz> I'll also remap my stupid top-left ² key to ` :)
[20:15] <TheWild> hello
[20:15] <qswz> http://nohello.com
[20:15] <qswz> :p
[20:15] <nacc> TheWild: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:16] <TheWild> Ubuntu, oh, Ubuntu. I tested how Blender work on it and again, Ubuntu 16.04.3 - Blender works without flaw. Ubuntu 16.04.4 - graphical glitches.
[20:16] <qswz> try latest
[20:16] <Duzzy> Hey, "systemd[1]: Starting Daily apt activities..." where are those scheduled in 16.04?
[20:17] <TheWild> I tested 17.10.1. It's stability made me go back to 16.*
[20:17] <VMITIC> Hi, all! I have no wifi connection on my laptop hp 15-bs036ng. Contains Realtek Radio Model: RTL 8732DE. It runs Xubuntu 16.04 LTS. It would be nice if someone could help me to fix this problem. Thanks in advance
[20:17] <TheWild> especially tty switching problem
[20:17] <tomreyn> VMITIC: cn you show the output of:  lspci -nn | grep -i net
[20:17] <TheWild> The graphics. If it's NVidia again the why it worked properly in 16.04.3?
[20:17] <nacc> TheWild: 16.04.3 and 16.04.4 are different kernels
[20:18] <hatter82> anyone no anything about vidalia for tor
[20:18] <tomreyn> VMITIC: also that of: lsb_release -ds
[20:18] <VMITIC> tomreyn, give me a second,i have to plug in. Can i share a pic?
[20:18] <TheWild> ugh... but does that .4 mean newer version or just different kernel?
[20:19] <tomreyn> !paste Text is preferred, but if you have no network connection yet, an image works, too. | VMITIC
[20:19] <nacc> TheWild: .4 is a snapshot in time, really
[20:19] <nacc> TheWild: so it refers to the 4th dotrelease of 16.04, which was when the hwe stack for 16.04 was updated to match 17.10
[20:19] <tomreyn> !paste | VMITIC
[20:19] <nacc> !hwe | TheWild
[20:20] <VMITIC> tomreyn, no network. thanks
[20:20] <TheWild> I just wish it gets fixed in 18.* release
[20:20] <nacc> TheWild: well, it can't be fixed if there's no bug, and you can test 18.04 as well
[20:21] <TheWild> I'll test once it is released
[20:22] <nacc> TheWild: ... well then it's hard to know if the bug you are seeing is fixed or would be before the release
[20:23] <VMITIC> tomreyn, https://imgur.com/iCZYWau
[20:23] <VMITIC> tomreyn, ok?
[20:24] <cheguacamole> Hi am trying to make a new ISO of lubuntu without using the FOR DUMMIES utility I have been using, and increase the persistent memory storage to at least 8 GB on a USB stick. Has anyone much experience with this?
[20:25] <TheWild> it feels like either Blender or Ubuntu didn't get double-buffering right. Blender randomly switches between current and previous displayed frame even when I just move a mouse.
[20:26] <Bashing-om> cheguacamole: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073 will be of interest .
[20:26] <cheguacamole> tyvm Bashing-om.
[20:27] <tomreyn> VMITIC: yes, give me a minute to look things up.
[20:28] <TJ-> Has anyone noticed on 14.04, 16.04, +,  policykit ignoring /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/* files still being a problem? bug #793792
[20:28] <tomreyn> VMITIC: according to the output, you have both the wireless but also a wired (ethernet) network controller. i suggest you connect an ethernet cable for now.
[20:28] <happy_hacker> from where can I d/l teamviewer?
[20:29] <oerheks> VMITIC, you need the r8168-dkms package..
[20:29] <oerheks> !info r8168-dkms
[20:29] <qswz> brightspark: I remember I messed with /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols for remapping keyboard, is it the recommended way? or rather xmodmap?
[20:29] <oerheks> and you need to do that by wired networking :-)
[20:30] <ioria> VMITIC,   #6 should work   ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/961299/cannot-see-my-wifi-10ecd723-when-trying-ubuntu
[20:30] <oerheks> !info r8168-dkms xenial
[20:30] <TheWild> okay, no big fire. Blender has some settings. I set "Window Draw Method" from "Automatic" to "Triple Buffer" and, at least for now, it seems not glitching anymore.
[20:32] <qswz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Custom%20keyboard%20layout%20definitions#Editing_an_existing_layout
[20:32] <happy_hacker> can someone help diagnose why this crashes: http://ix.io/10af
[20:33] <VMITIC> ioria, thanks. I will test it #6.
[20:34] <tomreyn> VMITIC: you'll need to have internet access to make this work. or download files from the internet using a different computer and place them on a storage the one without wireless can access.
[20:34] <tomreyn> VMITIC: so connect it to ethernet first of all
[20:34] <VMITIC> tomreyn, i am trying to set the router as repeater. Or i will use the phone as usb tethering
[20:35] <ioria> VMITIC,  an ethernet cable would be easier
[20:36] <VMITIC> ioria, give me a minute
[20:37] <micros> Hi.  If a parent process has 10 children, and those children call printf(), then, by redirecting the parent processes std out to a file; e.g. parentproc > logs.txt, i can obtain the logs of all the children.  How could i do this programatically (high level) so that I could perhaps funnel the captured logs in to a circular shared memory or something and dump to disk later.  I could use a pipe,
[20:37] <micros> but then I would need a pipe for each child process and there are about 60 of them, it also seems as though the parent already has access to its childrens stdout.  Thoughts?  I guess i could pipe it in to another process, but i was hoping to handle it from within the parent.
[20:37] <brightspark> qswz: I don't know that there is a "recommended way" as such.   But my inclination would be with /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols and /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> happy_hacker, would you please post that to a well known pastebin site such as pastebin.com
[20:38] <oerheks> teamviewer needs to be run with sudo
[20:38] <oerheks> lolz
[20:38] <VMITIC> ioria, i am online
[20:39] <ioria> VMITIC,  uname -r
[20:39] <oerheks> or with systemD.. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2362977&p=13653252#post13653252
[20:39] <leftyfb> oerheks: only the service, not the client
[20:39] <oerheks> he is running something from comandline, so i assume he wants to run the service to give access ..
[20:39] <VMITIC> ioria, 4.13.0-37-generic
[20:40] <ioria> VMITIC,  ok, let's try ? https://github.com/smlinux/rtl8723de
[20:40] <VMITIC> i have to install hexchat on xubuntu
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks, given the screenname and requesting about team viewer and sending sketchy looking links... I wouldn't do anything until with that until they respond
[20:41] <pragmaticenigma> micros, this is a support channel regarding Ubuntu, it's software and supported packages. A question such as yours may find better answers being posted to stackoverflow
[20:43] <micros> thanks pragmaticenigma
[20:45] <VMITIC> ioria, is xubuntu good choice for this kind of hardware. I wanted something light and good looking. And btw, done. Rebooting, finger crossed
[20:45] <ioria> VMITIC,  your ram , cpu and video card ?
[20:47] <anonnumberanon> I have the Ubuntu task bar on both of my monitors, can I display it only on one monitor?
[20:47] <anonnumberanon> (the launcher)
[20:48] <VMITIC_> ioria, hp 15-bs036ng: 4 GByte Ram, Intel Celeron N3060 (2 cores) i think no video card
[20:48] <VMITIC_> ioria, still no wifi networks :(
[20:49] <ioria> VMITIC,  xubuntu is ok;   can you paste sudo lshw -C Network ?
[20:49] <oerheks> anonnumberanon, yes, in systemsettings > dock you can select that
[20:50] <anonnumberanon> oerheks, I fixed my problem by googling so sorry
[20:50] <oerheks> and the extra tweak tool gives more options too
[20:50] <anonnumberanon> it's in Displays, then select the extra monitor and disable the launcher there
[20:50] <oerheks> oh, 16.04
[20:51] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: be sure to also: sudo update-pciids
[20:51] <oerheks> it is a prety good re-write of the systemsettings, 17.10
[20:52] <Silmarillion> Is the performing of a partition alignment on the SSD i am going to install Ubuntu on a proper idea. The SSD is new and devoid of any operating system.
[20:52] <mitic> ioria, Hi, its me: "VMITIC" I am now on the laptop, with no wifi.
[20:52] <ioria> VMITIC,   can you paste sudo lshw -C Network ?
[20:52] <oerheks> Silmarillion, if you let ubuntu use the free space, alignment issues are over
[20:52] <mitic> ioria, Downloaded daily snapshot dated 2018-03-15 03:15:02
[20:53] <ioria> VMITIC,   daily snapshot of what ?
[20:54] <Silmarillion> Should I use the PAT software provided on mini disc (cdrom) to partition the SSD prior to installation? I plan on having a separate /home folder and a 4GB swap, that is why i feel the need to ask this question.
[20:55] <Silmarillion> the alignment will be performed on 256 GB SSD/Toshiba with Paragon Alignment Tools.
[20:56] <Silmarillion> I have to have the swap (it is a notebook - and circa 2005)
[20:56] <mitic> ioria, https://pastebin.com/5fyaGZmn
[20:57] <mitic> ioria, I hope i did it right
[20:57] <Bashing-om> Silmarillion: Quite frankly, I partition SSDs with gparted in the liveUSB .
[20:57] <oerheks> i guess those tools are for mac/windows? " It is important to note that Toshiba does not recommend or endorse Paragon Software or any other 3 rd party vendor or 4K alignment utility."
[20:58] <oerheks> i see not why one uses those tools other than with transferring windows-to-ssd
[20:58] <qswz> brightspark: ok thx
[20:58] <tomreyn> mitic: see above
[20:59] <ioria> mitic,  have you run the 5 commands as in the link posted (https://github.com/smlinux/rtl8723de ) ?
[21:00] <Silmarillion> there are partition alignment tools inclusive
[21:00] <mitic> ioria, yes
[21:00] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition is a good start
[21:00] <Silmarillion> I only have 2.56 of RAM
[21:00] <ioria> mitic,  no idea then, sy
[21:01] <mitic> ioria, thank you for your help!
[21:01] <mitic> ioria, and time!
[21:01] <ioria> mitic,  no problem
[21:02] <Silmarillion> I read the Linux Magazine article. Thank you oerheks, i will check that link out, as well.
[21:02] <tomreyn> mitic: sudo modprobe -v 8723de
[21:02] <Silmarillion> Wouldn't it be easier to partition it accordingly prior to installation.
[21:02] <oerheks> Silmarillion, sure, boot into live mode first :-)
[21:03] <Silmarillion> And perform the alignment prior to the installation of linux OS?
[21:03] <Silmarillion> Or..not?
[21:05] <supernovah> What are .so.6? Are they like libraries for ubuntus?
[21:05] <Silmarillion> Oh, yeah, oerheks, i can boot Ubuntu Live distro on my old Machine.
[21:05] <BelaDona> yes
[21:05] <BelaDona> at the vending machine one can find a library for ubotu
[21:06] <nacc> BelaDona: please stop.
[21:06] <nacc> supernovah: do you know what .so files are generally?
[21:06] <Silmarillion> I can do same on my next install on a newer notebook that has UEFI BIOS.
[21:06] <Silmarillion> You are a champ, oerheks!
[21:06] <supernovah> nacc: not exactly, I work in embedded, not linux
[21:06] <supernovah> so = shared object I'm guessing
[21:07] <nacc> supernovah: right
[21:07] <supernovah> so why the sub-extension
[21:07] <supernovah> so.6, so.0, so.0.0 etc
[21:07] <nacc> supernovah: the .so.X is the ABI version
[21:07] <supernovah> oic
[21:08] <Silmarillion> I love ubuntu (xubuntu the flavor I savor!)
[21:08] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, it works now. Many thanks to ioria for the help. He/ she is not online :(
[21:08] <nacc> supernovah: there is some documentation at https://autotools.io/libtool/version.html and other similar places, i tink
[21:08] <supernovah> nacc: btw I Realise this has little to do with linux lol
[21:08] <Silmarillion> Many thanx, channel. You saved me lots of coffee and aspirin today.
[21:09] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, I made a stupid mistake
[21:09] <oerheks> Silmarillion, have fun!
[21:09] <Silmarillion> oh yes! Loads of fun.
[21:09] <nacc> supernovah: there is also ##linux for non-ubuntu specific questions, as well as probably toolchain specific channels
[21:09] <matyd> I did the normal sudo apt-get update/upgrade last night and now everytime my laptop sleeps there is an authentication failure and i have to switch to the greeter to log back in, any fix for this?
[21:09] <Silmarillion> Well i better away and get started.
[21:09] <matyd> 16.04.04 Ubuntu
[21:10] <Silmarillion> Thank you fellow mIRC'kers!
[21:10] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, thank you for the help
[21:11] <VMITIC_> Many thanks to this channel! I love it!
[21:11] <VMITIC_> i hope ioria is onlone somedays, so i can tell him that it worked
[21:11] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: welcome. also read https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Wireless-and-Networking/Realtek-8723DE-wifi-module-Linux-driver-available-now-Ubuntu/td-p/6477307 for another driver option, which may be more up to date.
[21:12] <anonymous__> HOLA
[21:12] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, should i try the new one?
[21:13] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: if it works fine now, i don't think you need to.
[21:13] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, i don't want to change it and mess it up :D
[21:13] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: that's fine with me!
[21:14] <matyd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1733557
[21:14] <matyd> nvm, apparently it's an issue that is awaiting to be resolved?
[21:15] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, i am glad to meet this Chat. I try since days to solve the problem.
[21:16] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: i can imagine, this chipset is very new and support for it is not mainlined, yet.
[21:16] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, is xubuntu right decision for this laptop? 4 GByte Ram, Intel Celeron N3060 (2 cores) i think no video card
[21:18] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: it should be ok, it's probably a better choice than the default desktop environement since this is more taxing and this computer is short on resources.
[21:19] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, thanks for the comment
[21:23] <tomreyn> VMITIC_: once you got a spare EUR 35,- (120 GB) or 55,- (240 GB), i'd suggest replacing the 5400 rpm HDD by a SSD, this will feel much faster.
[21:24] <PeTeR_I> 55 Euro where amazon.??
[21:25] <oerheks> not the speed, but 0 sec seektime is such a breeze
[21:26] <VMITIC_> tomreyn, i know tnx. But it's just a laptop for the University, PDf files and scripts. But I will think about it, because it's really slow. I can't even use it with win10
[21:28] <zumba_addict> Afternoon folks. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS. I'm currently cross compiling a software for an old linux which doesn't have gcc and make. The target machine is using glibc 2.5.3. What are some solutions I can try so I can compile it using an old version of glibc?
[21:28] <nacc> zumba_addict: a) you should be on 16.04.4 (if you're fully up to date)
[21:28] <nacc> zumba_addict: b) use a VM or container?
[21:29] <zumba_addict> yes, i'm using virtualbox
[21:29] <nacc> zumba_addict: i mean, use a VM or container for the older release
[21:29] <nacc> zumba_addict: wait sorry, your statement is also confusing; what do you mean you're cross-compiling for an old linux?
[21:29] <zumba_addict> i'm sorry, I'm lost. I just want to compile a program against an different version of glibc
[21:30] <nacc> zumba_addict: what possible application that you might ever care about is using glibc 2.5.3 ??
[21:31] <nacc> zumba_addict: 2007-era software?
[21:31] <zumba_addict> I'm compiling an old version of squid. The cross compiled binary worked until I added openssl. I got this message - /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by /opt/openssl-cc/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0)
[21:31] <zumba_addict> even before that year :D
[21:31] <nacc> zumba_addict: you're still doing this?
[21:31] <zumba_addict> yes
[21:31] <nacc> zumba_addict: and it's still not an ubuntu support topic, afaict :)
[21:31] <zumba_addict> the last hurdle is glibc
[21:31] <nacc> zumba_addict: which is a giant hurdle...
[21:32] <zumba_addict> but I was hoping I can ask for help it's glibc in ubuntu
[21:32] <zumba_addict> i read it's the dll hell in linux :(
[21:32] <nacc> zumba_addict: the glibc in ubuntu is fine
[21:32] <nacc> zumba_addict: your application or its dependnecies wants to use some ancient version, which is not in ubuntu
[21:32] <zumba_addict> that's the reason why I want to use 2.5.3 which is on the target linux
[21:33] <zOZ> >3
[21:33] <zumba_addict> but not sure if downgrading glibc on ubuntu just to get it working will be ok
[21:33] <zumba_addict> the ubuntu is only on my machine
[21:34] <zOZ> can't turn on my wireless
[21:34] <zOZ> help?
[21:34] <zumba_addict> or maybe, I'll use an old version of openssl
[21:34] <Doginal> why in the hell would ubuntu SSO not allow me to login anywhere but at “login.ubuntu.com”?
[21:35] <Doginal> anywhere i try to login with my account i either get invalid oauth or no such account?!
[21:36] <zumba_addict> from my understanding of the error I encountered, it's saying that the /lib/libc.so.0 doesn't support version 2.7
[21:39] <nacc> zumba_addict: if you downgrade glibc i'm fairly sure your systme will break  horribly
[21:39] <zumba_addict> that's what I thought too
[21:39] <nacc> zumba_addict: and you *can't* downgrade glibc to that version without building it yourself, which is not a good idea
[21:40] <nacc> Doginal: where else are you trying?
[21:40] <zumba_addict> ok, I guess I'll have to download an older version of linux that uses glibc 2.5.3
[21:40] <tomreyn> !details | zOZ
[21:41] <Doginal> @nacc, through jaas and https://rocket.ubuntu.com/channel/conjure-up
[21:41] <nacc> zumba_addict: the error is your openssl library is dependent on GLIBC_2.7 (which is probably not in 2.5.3, fwiw) being in the libc shared object
[21:41] <zumba_addict> yup
[21:41] <zOZ> I'm using 16.04 any time i want to turn on the wifi it goes off
[21:41] <zumba_addict> maybe, if i statically compile openssl so that it will include glibc?
[21:42] <nacc> zumba_addict: well, to do that, you'd need the glibc it depends, i assume
[21:42] <nacc> zumba_addict: this all seems like a terrible idea, still, and i'm now fairly confident is not an ubuntu support topic
[21:42] <zumba_addict> i thought that with static, it's going to make the binary bigger since it will add it
[21:42] <tomreyn> zOZ: are you currently working on this computer which you are trying to fix the wireless on?
[21:42] <zumba_addict> it's not, sorry
[21:42] <zumba_addict> but was hoping to get ideas
[21:42] <nacc> zumba_addict: you might try ##linux, as this doesn't really have anything to do with ubuntu -- you simply want to build really old software on modern software
[21:43] <zumba_addict> ok, i'll try it again there
[21:43] <zOZ> yeah
[21:43] <zumba_addict> thanks nacc
[21:43] <nacc> zumba_addict: yw
[21:43] <zOZ> tomreyn
[21:43] <urgodfather> hello everyone.... is there a way to lock a program so that the close "X" doesnt work?
[21:43] <urgodfather> or would that be done via the program itself?
[21:43] <tomreyn> zOZ: okay, you can respond to me personally by putting my nickname in front, like so: tomreyn: blahblahblah
[21:44] <Doginal> now im getting “TypeError: profile.nameIDFormat.indexOf is not a function”
[21:44] <tomreyn> zOZ: so this computer apparently has another way to get it online, right? are you running ubuntu on it right now?
[21:44] <zOZ> tomreyn: ok
[21:44] <urgodfather> zOZ: just a neat trick you can type the first few letters of the name and hit tab
[21:45] <zOZ> urgodfather: cool
[21:45] <urgodfather> zOZ: yw
[21:45] <tomreyn> urgodfather: t0maw wont appreciate ;)
[21:46] <zOZ> tomreyn, thats what I'm using
[21:46] <tomreyn> zOZ: i'll just assume you're currently running ubuntu on it and also have a wired internet connection.
[21:46] <zOZ> tomreyn, yes
[21:46] <netochka> Hi. I didn't choose LVM option when installing Ubuntu. Can i encrypt the data on my hard drive now?
[21:46] <Irritiable> Anyone have any idea why Startup Disk Creator wouldn't create a bootable USB for an Ubuntu 16.04 install? (From: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64-bit)
[21:47] <tomreyn> zOZ: ok great. please show the output of these commands: lsb_release -ds; lspci -nn; lsbusb; lsmod
[21:47] <Irritiable> Startup Disk Creator / dd / UNetbootin
[21:47] <urgodfather> so, back to my question... is it possible to make a program not able to be closed?
[21:47] <tomreyn> !paste | zOZ
[21:47] <Doginal> so im guessing Ubuntu one loging is broken nothing we can do about it?!
[21:47] <Irritiable> urgodfather: Doubtful. Sounds malicious anyway.
[21:47] <Doginal> login***
[21:47] <urgodfather> nah
[21:47] <Irritiable> urgodfather: In what instance would one want an 'unclosable' (terminatable) program?
[21:48] <nacc> Doginal: it tries for me, on the first link, succeeds and then something throws an error
[21:48] <Irritiable> Other than the OS itself.
[21:48] <urgodfather> im making a cd duplicator and i am setting up turbojet2 to launch on boot
[21:48] <urgodfather> but i wanted to disable the "X"
[21:48] <Irritiable> urgodfather: Make it apart of the OS?
[21:48] <urgodfather> so these dummies cant screw it up
[21:48] <tomreyn> netochka: you can only encrypt your home directory now. it's better to enable full disk encryption during installation, though.
[21:48] <urgodfather> Irritiable: how to?
[21:48] <Irritiable> urgodfather: Read the man pages / RTFM?
[21:49] <zOZ> tomreyn, ule                  Size  Used by
[21:49] <zOZ> kvm_amd              2183168  0
[21:49] <zOZ> kvm                   589824  1 kvm_amd
[21:49] <zOZ> irqbypass              16384  1 kvm
[21:49] <zOZ> uvcvideo               90112  0
[21:49] <zOZ> videobuf2_vmalloc      16384  1 uvcvideo
[21:49] <Doginal> nacc does this mean i cant use this account?
[21:49] <netochka> tomreyn, so i can't encrypt the whole thing now? Or maybe with a kind of app or something?
[21:49] <Irritiable> zOZ: You just got "quieted" for spam. :(
[21:49] <tomreyn> zOZ: read what ubottu told you earlier
[21:49] <Irritiable> tomreyn: He got +q'd :(
[21:49] <Irritiable> PS: Hi.
[21:49] <urgodfather> Irritiable: got a keyword to help me along my way?
[21:50] <zOZ> rt2x00mmio             16384  2 rt2800mmio,rt2800pci
[21:50] <zOZ> rt2x00lib              53248  5 rt2800lib,rt2x00pci,rt2800mmio,rt2x00mmio,rt2800pci
[21:50] <zOZ> snd_rawmidi            32768  1 snd_seq_midi
[21:50] <zOZ> snd_seq                65536  2 snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_midi
[21:50] <zOZ> mac80211              782336  3 rt2800lib,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
[21:50] <zOZ> jmb38x_ms              20480  0
[21:50] <DalekSec> zOZ: /cycle
[21:50] <nacc> Doginal: there is a link for support on the login.ubuntu.one page
[21:50] <Irritiable> urgodfather: Reading the man pages (RTFM = read the fucking manual). Lol. I wouldn't know what distro(s) you're targeting.
[21:50] <nacc> Doginal: the error you get is what i get
[21:50] <urgodfather> im using 16 lts
[21:50] <nacc> Doginal: perhpas there is some issue right now
[21:50] <urgodfather> i know what rtfm means btw
[21:51] <urgodfather> and i am scanning it now
[21:51] <urgodfather> thats why i asked for a keyword
[21:51] <zOZ> sysimgblt              16384  1 drm_kms_helper
[21:51] <Irritiable> urgodfather: If I knew: I'd tell you. :p
[21:51] <zOZ> mii                    16384  1 r8169
[21:51] <zOZ> fb_sys_fops            16384  1 drm_kms_helper
[21:51] <zOZ> drm                   360448  2 ttm,drm_kms_helper
[21:51] <zOZ> wmi                    24576  2 wmi_bmof,hp_wmi
[21:51] <Irritiable> urgodfather: I'm more familiar with Windows than I am Linux distros.
[21:51] <zOZ> video                  40960  0
[21:51] <nacc> sigh
[21:51] <urgodfather> Irritiable: fair enough
[21:51] <Irritiable> nacc: Suggest pastebin? Lol
[21:51] <nacc> Irritiable: yeah, it's too late, bad client, not ratelimiting itself
[21:51] <tomreyn> :-/ i did that long ago
[21:52] <urgodfather> Irritiable: btw thats blasphemy in here
[21:52] <shpx> Ubuntu 17.10, I'm trying to stream a game to my mac using Steam's Home Streaming. I can do it right now by logging into ubuntu through my monitor/keyboard and openining Steam, then I can stream games at 1080p, my monitor's resolution. But my macbook's resolution is 5k though 5120x2880, so I'm trying to login over SSH, create a dummy monitor and then running the `steam` command.
[21:52] <shpx> I've tried `Xvfb :2 -screen 0 5120x2880x24+32 -fbdir /var/tmp & export DISPLAY=:2; steam` but xrandr says "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output screen" and if I try to run `steam` any way it says "SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred \n X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"
[21:52] <shpx> am I on the right track here?
[21:52] <Irritiable> urgodfather: It's a piece of software..
[21:52] <nacc> urgodfather: what's blasphemy?
[21:52] <Irritiable> nacc: Yeah, sadly.
[21:52] <Irritiable> nacc: He's saying the mentioning of Windows (he's being sarcastic).
[21:52] <descuidado> can someone tell me what's "canoncal's software"?
[21:52] <nacc> Irritiable: oh i didn't see that comment
[21:53] <Irritiable> descuidado: The writers of Ubuntu (I think).
[21:53] <DalekSec> nacc: Slight nitpick, it was rate limiting the output, hence why he didn't get flooded off.  He just needed to /server purge or otherwise empty the queue.
[21:53] <descuidado> Irritiable, can i remove it from a possible list?
[21:53] <descuidado> or is it a bad idea
[21:53] <Irritiable> DalekSec: Quassel doesn't support those things. :(
[21:53] <kostkon> descuidado, what list
[21:53] <Irritiable> descuidado: I don't have it added to mine. Doesn't hurt anything.
[21:53] <Irritiable> kostkon: Repo list.
[21:53] <descuidado> kostkon, on system settings, updates and software, there's a tab that says additional software
[21:53] <Anywhere> Hey, during the install there was a package I wanted to install called something like 'a lot of fonts' but I forgot, what's it called or can I open the installer again? (mini.iso)
[21:54] <netochka> tomreyn, if i re-install and use lvm. would i be able to share files with friends? or it would cause inconvenience?
[21:54] <Irritiable> kostkon: For the apt-update / apt-upgrade
[21:54] <Irritiable> apt-get update *
[21:54] <netochka> hey EriC^^
[21:54] <kostkon> descuidado, you can disable it
[21:54] <tomreyn> Anywhere: it might be msttcorefonts
[21:54] <descuidado> Irritiable, thanks for that, also is it a bad idea if i tick the xenial-proposed?
[21:54] <nacc> descuidado: Canonical is a company
[21:54] <Irritiable> descuidado: I wouldn't think it's a "bad idea." That's more of a 'beta' type option. Things might break.
[21:54] <nacc> DalekSec: sorry, you're right
[21:54] <Anywhere> tomreyn: thanks
[21:55] <descuidado> nacc, i know, canonical created ubuntu
[21:55] <supernovah> Hey there, where should I place my C library on the file system if I've made a gcc-hosted-cross-compiler?
[21:55] <supernovah> I'm not too familiar with the user space
[21:55] <tomreyn> netochka: lvm is not encryption. aside of that, i don't think lvm would get in the way of sharing files with dfriends. it dpeends on how you want to share files with friends, however.
[21:55] <nacc> descuidado: you shouuld not enable xenial-proposed unless you have a specific reason to
[21:55] <descuidado> nacc, what does it do?
[21:56] <nacc> descuidado: what does what do?
[21:56] <nacc> descuidado: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[21:56] <netochka> tomreyn, hmmm. but it says that what lvm does is to encrypt the whole hard drive. i'm confused about what it actually does.
[21:56] <descuidado> nacc, thank you
[21:56] <tomreyn> netochka: that's wrong. where does it say so?
[21:56] <Irritiable> [16:54:49] <Irritiable> descuidado: I wouldn't think it's a "bad idea." That's more of a 'beta' type option. Things might break.
[21:57] <netochka> tomreyn, or if it's necessary or a better thing to do, to enable it
[21:57] <Irritiable> > Beta testing
[21:57] <Irritiable> How's beta testing bad? :?
[21:57] <nacc> Irritiable: it's even more than beta
[21:57] <netochka> tomreyn, when installing ubuntu. maybe i'm not remembering it right
[21:57] <Irritiable> nacc: Alpha testing (I was using a more commonly understood term).
[21:57] <nacc> Irritiable: as betas are well-defined in ubuntu release cycles
[21:57] <Irritiable> nacc: I wouldn't know about Ubuntu's standards, but thank you. Lol
[21:57] <nacc> Irritiable: i'd say it's also even less than that, to some degree :)
[21:57] <Irritiable> Less than alpha?!
[21:57] <Irritiable> Like 1/2 alpha? LOL
[21:57] <nacc> Irritiable: it's where pending fixes exist so they can be tested before release
[21:58] <Irritiable> nacc: That's commonly known as: "Beta testing."
[21:58] <Irritiable> Alpha = Release
[21:58] <Irritiable> Beta = Testing
[21:58] <Irritiable> Charlie = Mega broken testing
[21:58] <nacc> Irritiable: they can totally break your system, and I can't think of a good reason anyone in this channel (that is, non-release testers) would use all of proposed ever
[21:58] <lavinho> good night
[21:58] <Irritiable> nacc: I believe I stated that in my original answer. I'd say to enable it.
[21:58] <Irritiable> Night, lavinho.
[21:58] <nacc> Irritiable: yes, I know what they mean in principle. Those terms have different meanings ofr Ubuntu
[21:59] <Irritiable> Ubuntu's whacky then, nacc. :p
[21:59] <tomreyn> netochka: you are probably mixing it up a little. the installer offers you to setup full disk encryption. when the installer sets up full disk encryption, it does so using (amongst other) LVM. but LVM does not provide the encryption itself. LVM provides a virtual block devices layer (kind of like partitions) which provides more flexibility in rearranging file systems later.
[21:59] <nacc> Irritiable: no, ubuntu has releases, which have alpha and beta milestones
[21:59] <Irritiable> Speaking of broken, nacc: Why is Startup Disk Creator buggy in 16.04 LTS?
[21:59] <lavinho> how to enable scroll magic mouse 2 ubuntu 17.10 ?
[21:59] <nacc> Irritiable: i don't know? have you looked if there is a bug for the issue you're seeing?
[22:00] <Irritiable> nacc: I just see strings of endless complaints on various forums stating the problem, but no answers or solutions or even explanations as to /why/ it's buggy. Simply left as: "It's buggy! Here are alternatives that /might/ work!" Poor system.
[22:00] <nacc> Irritiable: i don't know about forums, i asked about bugs
[22:00] <Irritiable> nacc: Not working as intended --> Buggy
[22:00] <nacc> Irritiable: and i've not yet see a description of your particular issue (maybe i missed it) so i'm not sure
[22:00] <tomreyn> netochka: the software ubuntu uses for full disck encryption is dmcrypt-luks (but it uses this in combination with LVM).
[22:00] <Irritiable> It is intended to create bootable ISO images (EG: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 32-bit)
[22:00] <Irritiable> Ah, nacc. Moment.
[22:01] <netochka> tomreyn, I see. thank u for clearing that up. now is that full disk encryption a good thing? i mean i want to know the pros and cons to that. because it seems to me that encrypting data is a good thing to do, but i have no idea if it has any downsides or not.
[22:01] <nacc> Irritiable: there are 436 bugs filed at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator
[22:01] <Irritiable> nacc: I am trying to create (from Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64-bit) a bootable USB with Startup Disk Creator or dd or UNetbootin or anything, for that matter. The image is the 16.04 32-bit desktop edition (ISO straight from Ubuntu's site).
[22:02] <kostkon> Irritiable, try this alternative https://etcher.io/
[22:02] <Irritiable> nacc: dd, Disk Creator Startup and UNetbootin all fail.
[22:02] <nacc> Irritiable: how does dd fail?
[22:02] <Irritiable> nacc: They all fail in the same manner --> The USB is not bootable (despite boot flag /sometimes/ being set).
[22:02] <Irritiable> kostkon: Where'd you pull that link from? Random Google search?
[22:02] <kostkon> Irritiable, nope..
[22:03] <kostkon> Irritiable, did you try downloading the iso again
[22:03] <nacc> Irritiable: are you able to make a 64-bit usb ?
[22:03] <Irritiable> nacc: This is a 64-bit based CPU and OS (Ubuntu); so, yes?
[22:03] <nacc> Irritiable: what do you mean by not bootable? it doesn't boot?
[22:04] <nacc> Irritiable: no, i mean a 64-bit ubuntu iso
[22:04] <Irritiable> nacc: Correct. It is not seen by the UEFI.
[22:04] <Irritiable> kostkon: No. The ISO's fine.
[22:04] <nacc> Irritiable: does your UEFI see USBs in general?
[22:04] <Irritiable> nacc: I am not interested in creating a 64-bit image to install.
[22:04] <Irritiable> Before the entire question of hardware (to rule it out) comes up: Ask how I got Ubuntu
[22:04] <Irritiable> Copied/Pasted (waiting on that question).
[22:04] <nacc> Irritiable: it's called process of elimination
[22:04] <Irritiable> nacc: I understand that. Notice the lack of a period? :p
[22:05] <Irritiable> That was the next bit. Lol
[22:05] <tomreyn> netochka: encryption always slows things down and increases more complexity. on the other hand it can protect your data from prying eyes. full disk encryption helps only while your computer is not currently running. so if you want to prevent thieves form getting access to your data, it's a good approach to take. it does not help against targetted attacks, keyloggers etc.
[22:05] <Irritiable> Moving on...
[22:05] <nacc> Irritiable: and we are all volunteers here
[22:05] <Irritiable> nacc: We know that Linux's USB image creation is buggy, so! Obviously there's a solution that works somewhere.
[22:05] <Irritiable> kostkon suggested "Etcher," but falls short at explaining anything beyond that.
[22:06] <Amm0n> Irritiable, did you sync the stick after dd ?
[22:06] <tomreyn> netochka: as such, it is nowadays comon practice (at least in companies) to apply full disk encryption to any mobile devices.
[22:06] <Irritiable> Amm0n: Yes.
[22:06] <Irritiable> Amm0n: && sync works great. ;)
[22:06] <nacc> Irritiable: ... I don't know that, but ok
[22:06] <Irritiable> tomreyn: I'm lucky in that regard! My Android phone is NOT encrypted (fastboot's locked though; just not the bootloader).
[22:06] <Irritiable> nacc: Yeah. Ubuntu seems to have holes in it still.
[22:07] <Irritiable> Small area that seriously needs to be addressed, but Windows works for that.
[22:07] <nacc> Irritiable: I am not sure what you are currently talking about, but ok
[22:07] <netochka> tomreyn, aha. if let's say i have some sensitive data and i don't want to encrypt the whole thing because of them, what should i do about it? is there any software that could deliver encryption for certain data? i mean do you have any suggestions?
[22:07] <Irritiable> nacc: The lack of being able to create bootable images (EG: Ubuntu install from an ISO).
[22:08] <nacc> Irritiable: I'm assuming that *someone* has used it to do so
[22:08] <nacc> Irritiable: in any case, did you check to make sure your created USB stick has a proper EFI layout?
[22:08] <Irritiable> nacc: From my perspective: I'm starting to have some doubts. Why else would I be on IRC asking about it finally? Lol!
[22:09] <Irritiable> nacc: Based on GParted's readings: It's perfect.
[22:09] <nacc> Irritiable: if dd failed to create a proper USB, I'd suspect sommething else, tbh; I've never had issues with that method. In particular, I'd check the USB disk structure and make sure your BIOS is not buggy
[22:09] <Irritiable> Compared against a functional and working version from a Windows based imaging.
[22:09] <lavinho> help me please
[22:09] <Irritiable> nacc: I'd normally agree with that, however: Windows -> Burn image -> Works great! BUT Linux -> Burn image -> 100% fail rate
[22:10] <tomreyn> netochka: this sounds like you should be using full diskl encryption and maybe additionally encrypt the sensitive data using another full disk encryption layer, using file system encryption, or using application level encryption. an example for the latter would be gpg's symmetric file encryption.
[22:10] <nacc> lavinho: what is your ubuntu support topic?
[22:10] <Irritiable> That leads me to believe that Linux's software (EG: dd or Disk Startup Creator or UNetbootin (whatever they're all using)) is faulty.
[22:10] <nacc> Irritiable: dd is unlikely to be 'buggy'
[22:10] <lavinho> i dont know
[22:10] <Irritiable> nacc: Yet here I am.
[22:10] <Irritiable> Anyway.
[22:10] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: How are you trying to boot from this USB drive? Have you tried booting from this USB drive on another machine?
[22:11] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: From the UEFI.
[22:11] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Yeah. I use this USB on multiple devices. Embedded systems included. Works great!
[22:11] <Amm0n> Irritiable, is this what you are trying to do: https://medium.com/@realzedgoat/a-sorta-beginners-guide-to-installing-ubuntu-linux-on-32-bit-uefi-machines-d39b1d1961ec
[22:11] <TJ-> Irritiable: what PC make/model - we're seeing a /lot/ of them recently that are locked to only uses a Windows EFI boot manager path
[22:11] <Irritiable> This is a software issue; not a hardware issue.
[22:11] <Irritiable> aka Linux issue.
[22:12] <nacc> lavinho: ... sorry, I don't follow. You asked for help (in the Ubuntu support channel), but don't have an Ubuntu support question?
[22:12] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: I mean have you tried to boot this USB drive, prepared with Ubuntu 16.04.4 using dd, on a different machine?
[22:12] <Irritiable> Amm0n: Skimming that lightly: I'll say no.
[22:12] <TJ-> Irritiable: also, we're seeing some PC's with 32-bit UEFI  whereas the LiveISO bootable images are for 64-bit
[22:12] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: No. This is the only box in the house using Linux.
[22:13] <Irritiable> Fedora had no issues (before I put Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64-bit on here).
[22:13] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: Do you have another machine that you can test it with? You don't need to actually install.
[22:13] <Irritiable> Unfortunately: No.
[22:13] <netochka> tomreyn, i googled up this gpg symmetric file encryption u mentioned. ty for your help
[22:13] <TJ-> Irritiable: what's the make/model of the PC?
[22:13] <Irritiable> TJ-: I'm 100% sure it's not hardware based (or I wouldn't be on Linux in the first place). It is a SOFTWARE issue.
[22:14] <Irritiable> TJ-: Acer Swift 1 SF113-31-P5CK 13.3" Ultra-Thin Laptop
[22:14] <Irritiable> Sure you can google the rest.
[22:15] <Irritiable> Just to rule out one other possible (albeit highly unlikely) cause: I'm zeroeing out the entire USB as we speak (8GB takes a while at ~2.0MB/s).
[22:15] <TJ-> Irritiable: Ah, yes. We see huge problems with lots of Acer models recently, this is why I asked
[22:15] <Irritiable> TJ-: Linux doesn't play nicely with Acer? :(
[22:15] <Irritiable> Another mark for Windows.
[22:15] <tomreyn> netochka: welcome
[22:17] <Irritiable> I suppose I'll see what Etcher does then, when this is done. If that fails: I guess I'll live with 64-bit Ubuntu instead of a sane/logical 32-bit version.
[22:17] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: So the USB drive with Ubuntu 16.04 is listed in your boot firmware menus, correct? What happens when you select it to boot?
[22:17] <Irritiable> Unless there's some hacky way to install it /from/ the SDD?
[22:17] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Nope. The USB is not seen by the UEFI as a bootable device.
[22:18] <Irritiable> (Despite the (useless) boot flag being set.)
[22:18] <oerheks> maybe 'fastboot' is enabled, that could prevent such issues
[22:18] <nacc> Irritiable: why do you specifically want 32-bit?
[22:18] <Irritiable> nacc: Why would I want 64-bit on a 4GB soldered RAM setup?
[22:18] <Irritiable> Performance loss at no gain. Seems sane.
[22:19] <kostkon> Irritiable, 4GB is ok for 64bit
[22:19] <Irritiable> kostkon: Acceptable for who? Masochists?
[22:19] <nacc> Irritiable: you see an actual performance degradation you care about on this rig?
[22:19] <kostkon> Irritiable, it's not that bad
[22:19] <nacc> Irritiable: or are you handwaving about what others have written about?
[22:19] <Irritiable> nacc: I call 2s loss for a simple addition loop pretty severe.
[22:19] <TJ-> nacc: Does the 32-bit ISO have the 64-bit GRUB EFI ?!?
[22:19] <Irritiable> Translate it to FPS and come back.
[22:19] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: Your problem is that you're trying to boot 32 bit Ubuntu when you have 64 bit UEFI. Just use 64 bit UEFI.
[22:19] <Irritiable> kostkon: Uh. Okay.
[22:19] <nacc> TJ-: i'm not sure, I can look -- although Jordan_U probably knows :)
[22:20] <Irritiable> kostkon: I was unaware you had an above average reaction time and are sensitive enough to clearly feel the difference between 200FPS and 20FPS.
[22:20] <TJ-> nacc: right, as Jordan_U pointed out, if the UEFI in the Acer is 64-bit then it needs a 64-bit GRUB boot manager
[22:20] <Irritiable> That lag is like loading Facebook on a 28k modem vs. cable.
[22:20] <nacc> TJ-: yeah
[22:20] <nacc> Irritiable: sarcasm really puts off most volunteers, fyi
[22:20] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: 64 bit is faster than 32 bit. More specialised instructions available, more registers, more efficient access of memory beyond 4 GiB. There is no good reason to use a 32 bit OS on 64 bit hardware.
[22:21] <Irritiable> TJ-: I'll follow that thought for a moment and poise on this: IF That's the cause (no puns intended): Then why does it work just fine and dandy from Windows?
[22:21] <TJ-> Irritiable: is it the Ubuntu 17.10 you're trying?
[22:21] <kostkon> and more software available
[22:21] <nacc> Irritiable: also, an arbitrary benchmark of an addition loop is ... not clearly anything
[22:21] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: Are you really running 32 bit Windows on this machine currently?
[22:21] <nacc> Irritiable: you benchmarked one instruction and maybe some cache prefetch
[22:21] <Irritiable> TJ-: No. I was trying to install 32-bit Ubuntu 16.04 (since I am on a useless 64-bit Ubuntu 16.04).
[22:21] <Irritiable> nacc: Cache tree prediction should say enough.
[22:22] <netochka> why ubuntu 16.04 is useless?
[22:22] <nacc> netochka: it's not worth getting involved in.
[22:22] <Irritiable> It's a LOOP. The epitome of anything that runs (and in an event where it's literally a basic instruction? I don't even want to continue that one).
[22:22] <Irritiable> netochka: 64-bit on a 4GB RAM system.
[22:22] <Irritiable> nacc: More or less.
[22:22] <kostkon> Irritiable, free -m?
[22:22] <netochka> nacc, i am trying to learn by reading you guys' text :D
[22:22] <nacc> netochka: ah
[22:22] <Irritiable> The argument has swung from: Linux isn't broken to --> Your opinions and reasons are challenged (red herring logic fallacy).
[22:23] <Irritiable> Simply put: Linux is buggy.
[22:23] <nacc> Irritiable: a) stop saying Linux, you are using Ubuntu
[22:23] <Irritiable> That's nothing new, in fact. It's just another mark for Windows. Based on all the failures (minus Ubuntu 12?): I wasn't surprised.
[22:23] <nacc> Irritiable: no one said it wasn't buggy on Ubuntu
[22:23] <Irritiable> nacc: It's implied at this point we're referring to Ubuntu.
[22:23] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: This channel is not for venting about what you percieve as linux or Ubuntu's failures. Please stick to asking for support.
[22:23] <TJ-> Irritiable: if you're trying the 32-bit 16.04 Xenial LiveISO it does /not/ have UEFI boot loader; you'll need to enable CSM/Legacy BIOS boot mode in the Acer firmware setup
[22:23] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Who is venting? Read the chat log.
[22:24] <nacc> Irritiable: the point was that there are lots of options, none of which you seem interested in
[22:24] <Irritiable> Time for /ignore for those who have issues with an animimate object.
[22:24] <tomreyn> netochka: i suggest not to try to learn from Irritiable's chat since he is *very* opinionated
[22:24] <Irritiable> TJ-: I am on 64-bit Ubuntu 16.04 LTs
[22:24] <TJ-> Irritiable: You *need* the 64-bit ISO in order to boot the installer, and to install, in UEFI mode
[22:24] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: You are. I have read the log. I am asking you to stop. You can ask for support without the added commentary.
[22:24] <Irritiable> tomreyn: That fallacy makes me giggle. Software has no opinions.
[22:24] <nacc> Irritiable: and I told you a while ago, file a bug, if you really want to see if it resolved
[22:24] <TJ-> Irritiable: which is it, a few moments ago you said "No. I was trying to install 32-bit Ubuntu 16.04 "
[22:24] <Irritiable> TJ-: That makes no sense to me.
[22:24] <netochka> tomreyn, :D yea i can see that. i'm actually curious about the possible solution to his problem.
[22:25] <netochka> I did also had a problem with ubuntu 16.04 when i installed it. but managed to solve it by setting it to load on an older kernerl, which btw i still don't have a clear idea about what that is. hhhh
[22:27] <netochka> nacc, how can one file a bug? u mean on forums?
[22:27] <Jordan_U> !bug | netochka
[22:27] <netochka> Ty!
[22:27] <nacc> Jordan_U: thanks
[22:28] <nacc> netochka: a distinction i'm coming aroudn to -- forums are for problem reports, laucnhpad is for bug reports; bugs (ideally) have well-defined inputs and (expected) outputs
[22:28] <kostkon> netochka, launchpad is for bugs. you can use your u1 credentials to login (you mentioned the forums, so you might have an u1 account already)
[22:29] <netochka> nacc, u see. my problem was after installation ubuntu would not recognize my wifi hardware. shall i call that a bug?
[22:29] <netochka> kostkon, actually no. but i did get a lot of help by looking around in forums.
[22:29] <nacc> netochka: i'd first see if the bug is already filed; i'd check under ubuntu and under linux (the kernel proper), or search all bugs for your specific hardware model
[22:29] <netochka> aha ok
[22:30] <Irritiable> [17:25:41] <Irritiable> TJ-: The objective (to remove the butt-hurt comments from persons who can't stay focused on a simple and apparently common and long running software bug): I am running a 64-bit OS. I am trying to burn / flash / copy / create / install / make a 32-bit ISO installer on the USB media.
[22:31] <Irritiable> [17:27:07] <Irritiable> Solutions are: Stick with 64-bit OS (not really an acceptable option). Other possible solution: Throw the laptop out the window (again: not acceptable). Third option: USB flash from Windows (from another machine).  Any other options? Still waiting on this to finish (yup: Definitely not an "opinion") zeroing out the USB device. After that: I'll see what Etcher does (as kostkon? suggested).
[22:31] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: While it is possible to run 32 bit Ubuntu while booted via 64 bit UEFI, it has so many downsides that I do not consider it worth this channel's time to help you do so. So if your only question is how to run 32 bit Ubuntu on 64 bit UEFI hardware, I ask that you stop asking it and consider leaving the channel. If you have other questions of course, feel free to ask them.
[22:32] <Anywhere> netochka, did you check what dmsg says?
[22:32] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Translation: Nobody (aside from maybe TJ- and kostkon) has a solution or explanation. Okay.
[22:32] <TJ-> Irritiable: right, we know, but once you've got the 32-bit ISO on the USB, what are you doing with it? Presumably trying to /boot/ it, since you reported it doesn't show up in the PC's UEFI boot manager menu
[22:32] <Irritiable> TJ-: Failing to get it to be recognized from the UEFI.
[22:32] <Irritiable> (With OR without the boot flag set.)
[22:32] <netochka> Anywhere, pardon me, dmsg ?
[22:33] <Anywhere> type it in a console
[22:33] <nacc> netochka: `dmesg` the command, which will print the kernel's ring buffer of messages
[22:33] <Anywhere> might say what driver you are missing
[22:33] <Irritiable> The boot flag has /always/ had to be set for this laptop to recognize anything. Ergo: The statement (because I am sure you know as well as I do: The boot flag is not always honored).
[22:33] <Anywhere> right dmesg :)
[22:33] <Irritiable> TJ- *
[22:33] <TJ-> Irritiable: right, which is what we are telling you. The Ubuntu 32-bit LiveISO does **NOT** boot in UEFI mode; it only boots in CSM/Legacy BIOS mode
[22:34] <Irritiable> TJ-: Okay. I understood that. Then why is it possible to do it from a WINDOWS box?
[22:34] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: It is not being recongnised by your 64 bit UEFI firmware because it doesn't have a 64 bit UEFI image in a UEFI System Partition. This is by design, and will not change. Ubuntu developers intend that you use only 64 bit Ubuntu when booting via 64 but UEFI.
[22:34] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: See above message.
[22:34] <netochka> Anywhere, no. the solution i found was to first, set grub timeout to non-zero. and then set it to choose older kernel. now it always loads up with that version and it recognizes my wi-fi.
[22:34] <TJ-> Irritiable: presumably the "windows box' has CSM/Legacy BIOS boot enabled
[22:35] <Irritiable> TJ-: This /was/ using Windows prior to the installation of Ubuntu (and it was 32-bit initially with Fedora).
[22:35] <Irritiable> Windows 10 (?? bit) --> 32-bit Fedora --> 64-bit Ubuntu
[22:35] <netochka> how do i run this dmseg command?
[22:36] <Anywhere> just in a terminal
[22:36] <netochka> dmesg*
[22:36] <Irritiable> Fedora was incredibly buggy with the touchpad (and the "plasma desktop" had some horrible common bug and crashed OFTEN). Other than that? I was happy with it. Ubuntu has had 0 bugs (minus this one now). Small price to pay. Doesn't really bother me.
[22:36] <Anywhere> 'sudo dmesg'
[22:36] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: I'm not sure that you could install 32 bit Windows on this machine either. If the Windows that was installed was what it came with when you bought this machine, it was 64 bit Windows.
[22:36] <nacc> Anywhere: netochka you don't need sudo.
[22:36] <Irritiable> netochka: CTRL + ALT + T (hotkey to open a TERMINAL)
[22:36] <Irritiable> netochka: Then type: dmesg
[22:36] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: (Without enabling CMS, which I wouldn't recommend doing and which you seem to be saying you have not done).
[22:37] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: It may very well have been 64-bit. But that information is both lost and absolutely useless.
[22:37] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: The UEFI is locked down and does not support CSM.
[22:37] <Irritiable> I've stated that already quite a bit.
[22:38] <netochka> I assume that since i am right now on a kernel that does recognize my wifi hardware, entring dmesg wouldn't help. i have to boot up using the one that didn't recognize it and then use this command, right?
[22:38] <Anywhere> yes
[22:38] <Anywhere> you could do it first so you know which one you are using and that works
[22:38] <nacc> netochka: i'd do it now, and save the output to a file
[22:38] <nacc> netochka: then boot the failure one and do it again and compare
[22:38] <nacc> netochka: e.g. dmesg > dmesg.working.txt
[22:39] <netochka> nacc, good idea.
[22:39] <Irritiable> netochka: nacc literally means to use the ">" sign (it'll cause it to output the data to a file)
[22:39] <Irritiable> Not typical speech > like this.
[22:40] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: It seems that your questions have either been answered or rejected. You asked why 32 bit Ubuntu was not booting, we explained why. You asked why 32 bit Windows could boot on this machine, we explained that we expect that it actually couldn't either but that's also offtopic for this channel (##windows would be the place for that). You asked how to get 32 bit Ubuntu to boot on 64 bit UEFI
[22:40] <Jordan_U> without CSM and I have told you that this channel will not help you do that. Do you have any other questions?
[22:40] <nacc> Jordan_U: i believe Irritiable claims that writing the same image from windows leads to a working USB stick
[22:41] <nacc> Jordan_U: that is their actual bug reasoning, if I understood correctly
[22:41] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: What? I never asked anything about Win-32 booting.
[22:41] <Jordan_U> nacc: Then they're writing a 64 bit Windows image, which contains a 64 bit UEFI bootloader.
[22:41] <Irritiable> nacc: Thanks for reading.
[22:41] <nacc> Irritiable: please drop the attitude.
[22:41] <Scunizi> Is the underlying power shutdown routine the same in the background with Ubuntu and Kubuntu? I click the menu in Kubuntu and "Leave" > "Shut Down" and nothing happens.. no dialogue.. no shutdown.  I'm forced to use cli and shudown -P now to turn off the computer.
[22:41] <nacc> Irritiable: it is not helpful in this channel
[22:41] <Irritiable> "The attitude" is a direct reaction from input. Stop the input and the responses will equally stop.
[22:41] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: OK, then the answer to "why was Windows working then?" is that you were using a 64 bit Windows installer image to prepare the USB.
[22:41] <nacc> Jordan_U: I meant, they wrote the same 32-bit Ubuntu ISO file
[22:42] <Irritiable> nacc: I'm aware it's not, which is why I've been trying to stop it since it started. It's unwanted and doesn't solve the issue.
[22:42] <nacc> Irritiable: i never once directed any of the above to you
[22:42] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: Ah. There's a misunderstanding.
[22:43] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: This machine was running Windows 10; I used this USB to install Fedora 32-bit; I then used this USB to install Ubuntu 64-bit; Now I cannot get it (from Ubuntu 64-bit) to install Ubuntu 32-bit
[22:43] <Irritiable> In shorter words: dd is not working.
[22:43] <Irritiable> Why is dd not working in Ubuntu 64-bit 16.04 LTS?
[22:43] <nacc> Irritiable: oh so you've not actually tried using windows to create  32-bit ubuntu iso image?
[22:43] <Irritiable> nacc: I used Windows to create the Fedora 32-bit.
[22:44] <Irritiable> nacc: I no longer /have/ Windows to create a 32-bit Ubuntu copy (which WILL work). That's why it was listed as a solution.
[22:44] <nacc> Irritiable: short answer, 'no'. I'm fairly sure you've claimed earlier this exact image worked fine from windows
[22:44] <nacc> Irritiable: so you don't know if it will work or not.
[22:44] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: I believe that Fedora's 32 bit images include a 64 bit kernel and 64 bit UEFI bootloader. Ubuntu's do not.
[22:45] <Irritiable> nacc: With Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 32-bit? No. Not 100% sure (as I've been unable to do it); based on the fact that Fedora had 0 complaints: I'd assume it'll be a viable solution. The reasoning for the question(s) were as to why dd's buggy (which is what Startup Disk Creator's using; which is well known as buggy).
[22:46] <Irritiable> https://askubuntu.com/questions/698241/cannot-boot-from-usb-created-by-startup-disk-creator ---> Just Google them yourself. A dime a dozen.
[22:46] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: If you use dd to write an image to a USB drive and that image contains a 64 bit UEFI bootloader, then it will boot on 64 bit UEFI machines. If you use dd to write an image to a USB drive and that image does not have a 64 bit UEFI bootloader then it will not boot on 64 bit UEFI machines. Does that make sense?
[22:46] <Irritiable> Jordan_U: That would be the worst marketing scam alive, if that's the case. If that actually turns out to BE the case: I will never touch Ubuntu again.
[22:46] <Scunizi> Irritiable: check the usb with gparted and see if the boot flag is on for the usb..
[22:47] <Irritiable> Speaking of testing: I will find out if "Etcher" magically works. It /just/ finished.
[22:47] <compdoc> if you dont know dd, dont use it
[22:47] <Irritiable> Scunizi: I do that /every/ time.
[22:47] <netochka> dd = disk drive?
[22:47] <nacc> Irritiable: you intentionally or otherwise misinformed the channel roughly 30 minutes ago
[22:47] <Irritiable> compdoc: dd's easy to use.
[22:47] <kostkon> !info dd
[22:47] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: That's your choice. Do you have any other support questions?
[22:47] <nacc> Irritiable: when you claimed the same ISO worked from Ubuntu. So I think as Jordan_U has been saying for a while, let's move on.
[22:47] <nacc> Irritiable: err, worked from Windows.
[22:48] <netochka> kostkon, the bot didn't have any info on dd :D
[22:48] <TJ-> !coreutils | koston
[22:48] <Irritiable> nacc: Because prior to /this/ laptop (on another laptop) the same type scenario occurred with differing results (although it was just a live boot; so I can't say that I installed and ran Ubuntu).
[22:48] <Irritiable> Anyway. I will be right back.
[22:48] <Irritiable> We'll see if it magically works.
[22:49] <Jordan_U> nacc: There has bee a lot of miscommunication in this conversation. I don't think calling it "misinformimg" helps anything. Communication problems happen.
[22:49] <nacc> Jordan_U: you're right, I'm sorry
[22:49] <Jordan_U> nacc: No problem :)
[22:49] <TJ-> The nickname rather gives it away though
[22:49] <nacc> I could have resolved this 30 minutes ago if they had just said, I didn't test it :)
[22:50] <Joel> 16.04, when I run xset -display :0 dpms force off, my monitor turns off, if I run it again with force on, it turns on. If I run it with off, then wait for my monitor to go to sleep due to no signal, a force on won't wake it up. Any ideas what could cause this/
[22:50] <kostkon> netochka, yes it's in coreutils apparently
[22:50] <netochka> i'm gonna have to google that one up too
[22:50] <nacc> netochka: it's a package name on ubuntu
[22:51] <nacc> netochka: containing, well, core utilities
[22:51] <netochka> :D
[22:51] <netochka> I see
[22:51] <Irritiable> :|
[22:51] <Irritiable> afk throwing laptop off a bridge
[22:51] <netochka> lol
[22:56] <netochka> guys, ty for all the help n' info. laters
[22:58] <Irritiable> netochka: Welcome. Bye.
[23:02] <Irritiable> TJ-: Would it be possible to install GRUB/GRUB2 and 'manually' install Ubuntu 32-bit from that (using memdisk)?
[23:02] <Irritiable> EG: Manually selecting the 32-bit ISO.
[23:02] <Irritiable> I don't know why that didn't occur to me earlier.
[23:04] <Javabean> irritiable, i am no high-end user/support person.  but that doesn't sound as easy as you are making out
[23:05] <TJ-> Irritiable: no. And I check Fedora. The last 32-bit i386 workstation ISO I can find is Fedora 25 and from what I can see it doesn't have a 32-bit UEFI boot-loader either, only Legacy BIOS. In fact it uses the same system as Ubuntu does ({sys,iso}linux)
[23:05] <Irritiable> Javabean: It's about 4 commands.
[23:05] <Irritiable> TJ-: Okay. That's quite puzzling.
[23:05] <Irritiable> Is it possible the USB has mysteriously ended it's life and is the unlikely culprit for a candidate of blame then?
[23:06] <Irritiable> If that were the case: I'd assume there would've been an error thrown at some point.
[23:06] <Irritiable> USB / Thumb drive *
[23:06] <TJ-> Irritiable: the PC already has a 64-bit UEFI Firmware running, so if you could install a 32-bit OS, it wouldn't be able to communicate with the 64-bit firmware.
[23:07] <TJ-> I always test my USB's by booting them via a virtual machine using Virt Manager/QEMU
[23:08] <Irritiable> QEMU boots these ISOs just fine (from the USB). That's another thing that makes me wonder.
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: No. We have told you that the problem is that you're using a 32 bit image when you need an image supporting 64 bit UEFI. We have answered your question as to why 32 bit Ubuntu is not booting, and we have told you that we will not help you install 32 bit Ubuntu on this machine. Do you have another support question?
[23:08] <TJ-> With a VM you can test UEFI, BIOS, 64-bit, 32-bit combinations and learn what works where
[23:08] <Irritiable> VirtualBox has Windows XP (32-bit) on it right now. Runs fine (despite it being a 1GHz CPU).
[23:08] <Jordan_U> Irritiable: Qemu and Virtualbox both default to BIOS based booting, though both can also boot via UEFI.
[23:10] <Irritiable> TJ-: Are you suggesting that's the reason Fedora was incredibly buggy with the touchpad?
[23:10] <Irritiable> (Touchpad was cycled from 'advanced' to 'basic' and it improved (although not much); with and without synaptic drivers.)
[23:12] <TJ-> Irritiable: no, that's a post boot issue
[23:14] <Amm0n> Irritiable, if you think you have trouble with your USB-Pen, you could try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[23:27] <shpx> Ubuntu 17.10, I'm trying to stream a game to my mac using Steam's Home Streaming. I can do it right now by logging into ubuntu through my monitor/keyboard and openining Steam, then I can stream games at 1080p, my monitor's resolution. But my macbook's resolution is 5k though 5120x2880, so I'm trying to login over SSH, create a dummy monitor and then running the `steam` command.
[23:27] <shpx> I've tried `Xvfb :2 -screen 0 5120x2880x24+32 -fbdir /var/tmp & export DISPLAY=:2; steam` but xrandr says "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output screen" and if I try to run `steam` any way it says "SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred \n X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"
[23:27] <shpx> am I on the right track here?
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, that won't work
[23:30] <shpx> what will?
[23:31] <kostkon> shpx, stream a game through ssh?
[23:32] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, your idea... most steam games require the use of a graphics card to do the calculations for the imagery... xvfb is a virtual device that uses the CPU
[23:33] <shpx> pragmaticenigma: sorry, I have no idea what I'm doing. I've read through https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xorg to try and understand what Xorg is and how to configure it, but it's not helpful. If you can point me to some resource I'd be greatful
[23:34] <shpx> kostkon: I tried ssh -X but macOS doesn't want to do anything. It opens XQuartz and then does nothing, even after I did https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39622173/cant-run-ssh-x-on-macos-sierra
[23:35] <shpx> plus, wouldn't streaming X draw calls be a bad idea for a game?
[23:36] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, streaming steam games would be a bad idea for any game.. the amount of lag for the "server" to send commands over the network to another computer to interpret
[23:36] <kostkon> shpx, valve created their own streaming software and hardware for a reason
[23:38] <pragmaticenigma> and again, that's not how X11 or xvfb works... xvfb is for running a program that needs a graphical interface to work, in a situation where a physical display isn't available but a secondary computer using something like VNC could call into the server and "see" the graphical environment remotely
[23:39] <shpx> pragmaticenigma: you should try out cloud gaming some time, it's actually very usable. I tried https://parsecgaming.com/ with an AWS server and it's pretty good, but it's proprietary software. there's also https://github.com/chunying/gaminganywhere but I haven't tried that. The ping to my server is 3 ms, I can play games just fine, but again it's at 1080p, I just want to make a fake 5k monitor so I can stream at higher res.
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, cloud gaming uses special software native to the platform it is being run on. With dedicated client and server software
[23:40] <shpx> yea. So am I. http://store.steampowered.com/streaming/
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, xvfb is like using a cruise ship to navigate a puddle
[23:40] <kostkon> shpx, yeah but you are trying to dilute it
[23:40] <kostkon> shpx, either use it as it is otherwise it's not gonna work
[23:42] <shpx> I got it, it's not the right tool. I'm trying to be helpful and saying what I've tried. So what's the right way to trick my system into thinking it has a 5k display so I can run the `steam` command in that display?
[23:42] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, you can't, you have the limitation of the hardware you're working with
[23:43] <shpx> why? a monitor is just a mapped section of memory...
[23:44] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, your monitor has a physical dimension. A finite number of pixels
[23:45] <shpx> k
[23:45] <kostkon> shpx, whats the problem exactly. you might want to repeat it
[23:48] <oerheks> !find openjdk-10
[23:49] <happy_hacker> pragmaticenigma: no, I don't use java and ads and such in pastebins
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> happy_hacker, then I'm sorry, but I won't be able to help you
[23:51] <shpx> I'm trying to stream a game to my mac using http://store.steampowered.com/streaming/. The way Steam Home Streaming works is you open the Steam program on 2 computers (client and server), you can then click "Stream" instead of "Play" on some game on the client, which will start the game on the server and open a video feed to that instance of game on the client.
[23:51] <shpx> I can do this right now by logging into ubuntu (the server) through my monitor/keyboard and openining Steam, then I can stream games to my mac (the client) at 1080p, ubuntu's monitor's physical resolution. But my macbook's resolution is 5k, so I'm trying to login over SSH, create a fake monitor that has 5k resolution, set $DISPLAY to that fake monitor and then running the `steam` command (a bash command which opens Stream on the $DISPLAY). I can't figure
[23:51] <happy_hacker> pragmaticenigma: not a problem
[23:51] <shpx>  out how to create a fake monitor.
[23:51] <shpx> kostkon:
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, why not install the steam client on the mac instead?
[23:53] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, simplify your setup?
[23:53] <oerheks> if the mac client can recieve a "5k stream" ...
[23:53] <shpx> my laptop can't run 5k games lol. and it is installed. it has to be installed.
[23:53] <oerheks> i think you should be happy with just 1080
[23:54] <shpx> "you open the Steam program on 2 computers (client and server) ..."
[23:54] <kostkon> shpx, so you can only stream 1080p games to your games, your Ubuntu's system native resolution
[23:54] <kostkon> to your MAC*
[23:54] <shpx> correct
[23:55] <slackjeff> Guys
[23:55] <slackjeff> please
[23:55] <slackjeff> please post for me /etc/os-release
[23:56] <oerheks> slackjeff, you are funny
[23:56] <slackjeff> oerheks, ?
[23:56] <slackjeff> oerheks, for my program! need os-release of ubuntu!
[23:56] <slackjeff> i not use ubuntu.
[23:57] <pragmaticenigma> slackjeff, what is the purpose of your question?
[23:58] <oerheks> trick question to spot a human, welcome
[23:58] <slackjeff> pragmaticenigma,
[23:58] <slackjeff> I'm creating a program that takes many distributions.
[23:58] <slackjeff> I need someone to post to me the ubuntu os-release!
[23:58] <slackjeff> i not use ubuntu...
[23:58] <shpx> maybe watch this demo to understand what I'm talking about https://youtu.be/Mpb6UGFGMmU?t=15s
[23:59] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[23:59] <TJ-> slackjeff: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kn2jFGNPhX/
[23:59] <pragmaticenigma> slackjeff, you're application should not rely on the information in /etc/os-release... any user can change that