 Hey guys, sort of OP but still...
 Does anyone know of an Android app that does what "our" CloudMusic does?
 [Edit] Hey guys and gals, sort of OP but still...
[01:45] <ubptgbot> Jose Timote was added by: Jose Timote
[02:09] <ubptgbot> jaya_nt was added by: jaya_nt
 Hello, is op x (onyx) supported?
[03:37] <ubptgbot> alamo18 was added by: alamo18
 Hi @stupendousredman, @MTeef, Jose, @jaya_nt and @alamo18! Welcome to our community! Have a look at https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Thanks :P @peternerlich
 @jaya_nt, There is OnePluOne and we will probably have OnePlusThreeT soon. Nothing for OnePlusX though. You would have to port it yourself, which is slow and difficult
[10:00] <ubptgbot> <demokrit atomos> Hi, sorry if this has been asked before: is there also a 16.04 built for the nexus 4 (mako) allready? I heard in the Q&A that testing would be appreciated, however on the wiki page it says only Nexus 5, oneplus one and fp2 are supported so far, is this the current state?
[10:22] <ubptgbot> Rooster_AN was added by: Rooster_AN
 hi @Rooster_AN
 demokrit, I think you are referring to the core devices, but know that they are not the extent of supported devices, there are several others too. As for N4 I believe it has been supported before but I'm not sure if it has been upgraded to development 16.04 yet. Someone else will be able to clarify.
 @demokrit atomos, Yep, you can test 16.04 if you want to help. … This is the supported devices list http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices
 @Rooster_AN, Hi Oliver, don't forget to read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 Is there a way to import an OVPN file into the VPN settings? I just finished setting up PiVPN and have the file, I just can't figure out what to do with it. I also tried using the command line but the commands I found weren't working.
 Hi @popescu_sorin, perhaps you (or anyone else) can answer me a basic question about installing ubuntu touch. … I'm a bit experienced with ubuntu at a desktop, but I never dealt with ubuntu touch. Now I've got an old HTC m8s with open bootloader laying around and I would really like to test it. Is there any chance to install ubto
[11:16] <ubptgbot> uch on this device? Will it run (even in parts)? Which of the core devices should I choose in the installer? … Thank you very much.
 Can i ask, what does ubport run as it's environment
 Gnome?
 Unity
 Cool
 So can i install what i want?
 As in, any desktop env
 More or less, but inside a container (like Libertine). The file system is read only
 Ok
 So ubport is basically ubuntu?
 Any other changes to make things lighter for the device?
 Woah woah woah. No you can't install the Gnome desktop environment or any other on the phone. It's Unity or bust, I'm afraid.
 @TartanSpartan, Ah i see
 @alamo18, Like err, google developed dalvik for this purpose
 Anything similar done to ubport?
 But yes you can install about any standard Ubuntu software available in the Libertine repos.
 They're optimized for mobile?
 As in layouts
 Oh I missunderstod the question. I thought you were asking about apps not a whole new desktop environment
 @Uchihaitachii, 😂
 @advocatux, Ah ok
 @alamo18, ^
 @Rooster_AN, No, you can't install ubports on a HTC m8s. Each device needs its own port, and the ones listed in the installer are the only ones with ports right now. Porting is a very difficult matter, ant it is only possible if the appropriate Android base is available. Check the ubports web page for information on porting.
 @Rooster_AN, You can try to port it yourself https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 Any ideas why I can't install anything? I tap "Install" and the green bar starts moving then it stops and says "Install" again
 Using the OpenStore app?
 @AmolithSeregion, Brian migrated the server yesterday, I pinged him about this problem already
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/rS5uCllL.png
 Cannot upgrade anything what has happened ? 😃
 See my answer up above ^
 @alamo18, It is based on Ubuntu but is not the Ubuntu desktop. You can install mobile apps that was developed for Ubuntu Touch. You can install desktop apps inside a chroot called Libertine but these apps are not optimized for mobile use cases.
 @NikosChat, That was my question, thanks :P
 Those apps are done in qml?
 @alamo18, A lot of them, but that isn't required. There are some using, for example, SDL2.
 @advocatux, Oh, ok. Thank you!
 Brian is fixing the problem right now. It should be working again soon
 @Mihir465, Laaal
 @Uchihaitachii, Pilaa
 OpenStore is working now.
[12:19] <ubptgbot> L GS was added by: L GS
 @L GS, Hi L GS, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @advocatux, Woot! Woot!!
 @Uchihaitachii and @Mihir465 please keep to English in this group
 @Stereofont, Ok
 @Stereofont, Oh ok
 @Mihir465, Hu r u?
 @cyanogenite, Debhloper 😂
 @Mihir465, For Kenzo? Can I ask ETA?
 🤣
 😱
 Please, ladies and gentlemen, there's an OT group. Don't spam here
 @advocatux, Ok
 What is the reference to Kenzo? Are you asking about a device?
 @Stereofont, Ya one ubisoft game not running in it
 What is the Kenzo device exactly?
 @Stereofont, Kenzo = Xiaomi Redmi note 3 pro
 Redmi 4x is receiving attention in Halium. Also Xiaomi mi3. I don't see anything for the Note 3 Pro
 @Mihir465, @cyanogenite
 @Stereofont, I ported halium, ubports was mess in kernel
 @Lionelb Ooh a port to Xiaomi Mi Max would be very inviting.
 @TartanSpartan, Well, you can install it, but it will not work very well, or as one might expect
 @alamo18, No basically only the Apps that were made for the phone are optimized. Anything else will have microtiny user elements ;)
 @alamo18, Its not comparable with desktop at all, lets say for the beginning and ease of understanding. Just because it is called Ubuntu. Its verys special in some parts, and it needs Android layer below, so its not 100% native.
 @Flohack, unless one fixes the config for the x server
 @dohbee, 😆
 but still legacy apps will be pretty unusable without an external display or mouse/kb
[13:28] <ubptgbot> PetoSagan was added by: PetoSagan
 hi, im going to install ubports for the first time in my old bq E 4.5, should i choose the same channels that chooses the tutorial video?
 hey guys! Is N5 16gb for ubuntu touch or I really need a 32gb?
 @Ismaelbonato, either will work
 I have 16gb worjing great
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/2oxCDDOO.png
 @malditobastardo, Same here.
[14:10] <ubptgbot> Jonathan Jenkins was added by: Jonathan Jenkins
 @Waldbursche, +1
 but I think for convergence? install big apps like libreoffice gimp retroarch?
[14:12] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Hello, I installed Untouch on my OnePlus but I can't update or install apps. Have internet connection, terminal won't apt update, mirror seems to fail.
 Don't you use openstore ?
 Now i flashed my BQ E5 with 16.04. The telegram-login doesn't work? I enter my phone number and the circle spin without end 😅
[14:14] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Yes, updates failed there first which is why I went to the terminal
 @Jonathan Jenkins, ubuntu touch does not use apt for updates.
[14:17] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Good to know. Updates and app installation isn't working. So, how does the store update?
 are you on 15.04 or 16.04? are you talking about app updates or system updates?
 there seems to be an issue with app updates/installs at the moment, due to some changes on the open store server side
[14:18] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> App updates 15.04
[14:19] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Got it. Then it's just a one off time to switch
 ok, should be fixed in the next day or so i guess
 @Stereofont, Redmi 4x or Redmi Note 4x? Just curious because the note one have received treble unofficially
 @Stereofont, [Edit] Redmi 4x or Redmi Note 4x? Just curious because the note one has received treble unofficially
 @dohbee I'd say for all intents and purposes installing session would most likely end up as an exercise in futility which is what I meant.
 @TartanSpartan, depends on your goals i guess. you could theoretically run a whole session inside an Xmir, sort of like if it was in a VM, but it wouldn't be.
 but yeah, that's the 0.00001% use case :)
 Right!
 *gnome-session
[14:39] <ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> Short question: I run UT on a nexus 5. I am multilingual (German-French-English-Spanish) and I need to be able to change the language settings of telegram (or messages) while maintaining the keyboard layout. It that possible? I haven't found a way yet...
 @Yann Roth, See the globe next to the space bar? Press it (and hold) to change layouts
[14:46] <ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> @advocatux : yes, I know. But as stated, I DONT WANT to change the layout, I only want the language to change -> autocorrection will be done in the correct language...
[14:53] <ubptgbot> Conan_Kudo was added by: Conan_Kudo
 @Yann Roth, But that's the default behaviour precisely. For example, with the English keyboard layout if I type auf wierdersehen that's the word that appears in autocorrection
 @Conan_Kudo, Hi Neal (and Peter & Jonathan), see https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 @Yann Roth, [Edit] But that's the default behaviour precisely. For example, with the English keyboard layout if I type auf wiedersehen that's the word that appears in autocorrection
 @Yann Roth, No, this appears to be a bug.
[15:00] <ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> @dohbee ah, thanks. Ok, shall I report the bug? Where?
 @Yann Roth, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch
 @unknown, It is codename Santoni
 @dohbee, Looks like an enhancement more than a bug to me
[15:17] <ubptgbot> Ed was added by: Ed
 Hi everyone. I'm me to telegram and UbPorts. Where can I ask a sort question?
 @Ed, Hi Ed, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 I'm new* I meant
 @advocatux, It's a bug because it prevents multilingual people from interacting in multiple langauges easily. Not everything involving usability is strictly an "enhancement." However, any bug fix is indeed an enhancement.
 @advocatux, +1
 Rodney, I think is easier to change layout to get the special characters in an specific language (v.g. onslaught, ñ letter, or whatever)
 @Ed, What kind of question?
 @advocatux, It is not about specifically typing the special characters. It is about the word suggestions including those from other languages
 IOW, I should be able to type "el nino" without accents, and the word suggestion should give me the correct spelling
 Yep, I understand that would be a nice enhancement 👍
 I wonder if there's an iso so that I could run Ubuntu touch in a i386 Atom 32 bit UEFI windows tablet
 Simple answer no
 It is a mobile OS, not a iso
 For a tablet you would need a BQ M10 or you could scrape by with a 2013 Nexus 7
 It only runs in Arm processors and the like then? Because there are plenty of windows tablets that would benefit from this OS
 At the moment there is no rootfs built that is not dependent on having Android hardware around
 However there are experiments on making the whole Touch stack run on any ol' hardware that supports Mesa. Booting will also be interesting.
 @Ed, All Windows tablets would benefit from it 😊
 Look what I found though: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
 Those are very old.
 Also Ubuntu Touch i386 images are probably made for i386 android devices, not for windows tablets
 I could run i386 rootfs on Intel tablet with mesa
 This is what puzzled me. There's an image the that's supposed to run in i386 hardware. I was unable to boy the image though. I decompressed into an ext4 position it but the preinstalled image lacked a  bootloader
 [Edit] I could run i386 vivid rootfs on Intel tablet with mesa
 Yes, because it's built for devices with a bootloader, kernel, and initramfs.
[15:29] <fuseteam> "For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows, as well as newer Apple Macintosh systems based on Intel processors." is what it says on the site weird
 That's not our site.
[15:30] <fuseteam> yeah true haha
 @UniversalSuperBox, But if they would run surely would do better for my tablet purposes than Windows/Kodi as a music player for my car. The windows layout/font's size isn't for a tablet that's not at your typical reading distance.
 You're free to try them out, and let us know what you find in making it work
 Somebody in the Plasma Mobile group got Plasma Mobile running OM an x86 Windows tablet by the way
 [Edit] Somebody in the Plasma Mobile group got Plasma Mobile running on an x86 Windows tablet by the way
 @UniversalSuperBox, I'm not an expert. I've been fighting for three days now just trying to make the image boot and that's how I ended up landing he
 I tried remix, PhoenixOs and do not remember if I tried plasma. I run into several issues. (No audio hardware recognition, no HDMI)
 Any links to isos that could be tested as live images would be truly appreciated
 Incidentally I'm unfamiliar with Mesa
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/OtC7U2cq.png
 He posted some instructions in @plasmamobile
 I saw an iso there but it's for 64 bit processors. Mine is 128 bit
 Just kidding...
 32 of course
 Oh, you're right I forgot your device is i386
 [Edit] Oh, you're right. I forgot your device is i386
 😭
 I wonder if anyone might have an idea on how to boot those images I posted above. There are even boot images but the boot folder is empty. I wish there was a grub driven by a guy (like clover) that would allows you to install a bootloader to an external hard drive with a few clicks (no cli, no typing necessary)
 And how easy/difficult would it be to release Ubuntu Touch for Windows tablets in the future?
 Does anyone know if there's an old release of plasma mobile that would be 32 bits of did they start at 64bits from the time of their first release?
 The isos were only released as 64bit. I built 32bit packages for debian, but I have not built an iso from them yet
 @Ed, Defiant OS?
 Abandoned and 14.04 but maybe it would work?
 @Stereofont, I will check that right away
 @JBBgameich, How long and how difficult could be to rebuild something like plasma-mobile from 64 bits to 32 bits?
 My search for defiant Is on Google has been the most unproductive search I can remember to have ever done. Not a single result that could possibly match an operating system! Did they have a page website? Let me try distrowatch
 Defiant Is not listed on Distrowatch either. I'm open to suggestions
 Incidentally, thank you for your input
 [you] as for everyone. Thank you
 @Ed, They aren't images. You can't boot them
 No wonder. They were tar archives. Decompressed to a file tree that resembles a Linux drive but there was no partition table, file format, bootloader, nothing. There are file in the list that do have the .IMG extension and I restored the boot i386   to an USB drive yet the boot folder in that image was empty
 "Preinstalled image" means you provide a compatible boot system, it's just the root filesystem.
 So again, you'll need a bootloader, kernel, and initramfs
 Unfortunately that's above my expertise level.
 But I'm willing to learn
 @UniversalSuperBox, What would be the practical use for those images? Like what degree of expertise would someone need to have to be able to use these?
 On android devices you have a device specific boot partition for each device. With the contents of this boot partition you can boot this images on Android devices.
 @Ed, again, they aren't images. they are tarballs of system rootfs
 And if they do not have a kernel I'm curious as to why the images file names refer to different processor architectures
 All of the software in them is built for that architecture
 I'd there a way for me to test those images in the tablet I have?
 still are not images
 if you want to run unity8 on your tablet, you need to get ubuntu 16.04 installed and booting on it first
 Actually, yeah, that's probably easier
 You won't get click apps but you'll get the touchable interface
 if you can't install ubuntu 16.04 on your tablet, then no, you're not likely to be able to get unity8 working on it either
 @UniversalSuperBox, you can install clicks
 You won't get apps from the openstore but you'll get the touchable interface
 granted, a lot of clicks don't have x86 builds; but pure qml, html5, or webapps can be installed (or ones that have x86 builds too)
 https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools should get you going
 Are there builds of unity8 for i386 in the UBports repository?
 That kills the idea.
 No, it does not
 @JBBgameich, one can add the old ppa to play with it as a starting point, though. not the latest stuff, but it works decently
 as long as you avoid some of the unfinished pitfalls anyway
 New to telegram. It doesn't do notification sounds it seems. Missed all those. Just seeing it now
 So download Ubuntu 16.04 and then sudó apt-get install unity8-desktop-install-tools?
 @Ed, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw6A6XaXGDg
 The only app I need is something like VLC
 @Ed, no. just find out how to get ubuntu 16.04 installed on it
 if you can't get a standard distro installed on that device, you're not going to be able to run unity8
 Thank you Lionel. I finally did find it. The interface follows the dock/start menu/windows decorations/press the X to close a window/desktop paradigm which is great for a desktop or laptop mouse driven but for touch from the driver seat of a car even the fonts are far and pressing X to close a window is not touch friendly
 @dohbee, I can totally run live or install any distro on that tablet as it has an external keyboard and mouse and most distros recognize the touch input right away. The thing is that Ubuntu touch seems to be a phone/tablet OS. Meaning you don't deal with windows that have the minimize/maximize/close window decisions and so on but y
[16:59] <ubptgbot> ou deal with icons, pages instead of windows and so on
 I have a mint install on a laptop. I guess I could install "clicks" on it and try unity 8 too?
 @Ed, that is unity8, which ubuntu touch is built around. it's a converged window manager and compositor. just running vlc on top of it will not make vlc magically be touch friendly, either
 @Ed, nope
 Interesting
 Maybe all I need is a VLC touch friendly skin!
 unity8 will also detect your device as a "laptop" and default to that mode, i think
 Lol! So much swimming to die at the shore
 If you install debian testing, I can help you to install the Plasma Mobile GUI at least.
 if all you want is vlc, then i'd say what you want is a version of vlc built for touch interaction with scaled up things for such a device, and then running it in a sort of kiosk mode as the shell
 @JBBgameich, I will be installing Debian testing RIGHT NOW.
 @dohbee, You are now in psychic mode sir!!!!
 On a plain debian testing installation without window manager installed, the following should be enough to install a basic Plasma Mobile shell … ```gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv C3D7CAFBF442353F95F69F4AA81E075ABEC80A7E; … echo "deb https://debian-pm-tools.github.io/apt-repo buster main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debia
[17:05] <ubptgbot> n-pm.list; … apt update; … apt install plasma-phone-components plasma-settings plasma-phone-settings sddm sddm-theme-debian-breeze;```
 Wow! Cool
 Looking for a link to Debian testing as we speak
 It must be UEFI and 32 bit
 https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso
 This one includes non-open-source firmware as well, which could be needed for wifi to work out of the box
 If you boot the installer in UEFI mode, it should also install debian with UEFI support
 Wow!!! There's the link! Still no sounds from telegram for notifications on this phone. I'm a bit dumb it all seems. But with help I can at least fake it
 It's being downloaded
 How many gigabytes will I need? Can I install in a 32GB USB drive so I won't need to change partition in the tablet in case I end up selling it in the future?
 32GB are really enough
 The basic debian installation (console-only) is less than a GB big
 Not choosing a window manager in the installer will lead to such a minimal image, which is useful for keeping the size small and only installing the packages you need afterwards
 If you don't know how to connect to wifi using the terminal, it's safer to choose some window manager in the installer and change to Plasma Mobile later
 [Edit] If you don't know how to connect to wifi using the terminal, it's safer to choose some window manager in the installer and switch to Plasma Mobile later
 @JBBgameich, Exactly!
 The truck is that the tablet only has an USB slot and I don't have a hub. I'd microusb. The implication is that I must use something like YUMI in a small partition of the USB thumb drive to boot the iSO installer
 What about a batch file that would have all the install I will need on a whim on top of Debian testing?
 I could build a prebuilt iso, but I really don't have the time to do that currently
 Then I can just run it on a laptop I have that's also UEFI and void the thing there and take it to the tablet lol
 I could totally do the batch file. That I can do
 why don't you just run vlc on windows if it's got windows on it and you don't want to remove that
 What are the packages? I think you listed then above. This is cool and fun. Than you
 and this is getting pretty off topic at this point; could you take it to @ubports_ot pleease if you need to continue
 @dohbee, The voice of common Sense!!! You are right there too. I guess that when I saw the Ubuntu touch interface all I could say is: "I want that"... I was driven by emotion
 @dohbee, I'm me to telegram. My apologies for hijacking this discussion
 Is there a safe place where I could follow the recommendations above without bothering anyone?
 New* (me was a typo)
 Either our off-topic channel, @ubports_ot, or the Plasma Mobile group that I saw you joined. :)
 Someone posted that on this discussion and I clicked on it and it said "Join" :)
 Ok. I sent a private message to JBB to continue the advice he suggested from there. Thank you everyone for your patience and tour friendly and helpful input. I hope at some point Ubuntu Touch gets released as a live iso distribution to be run from a USB stick that could be put on uefi 32 bit windows tablets
 oh, and if it's the Atom with GMA500 (iirc) for graphics, then unity8 won't be usable i guess
[18:00] <ubptgbot> Yves was added by: Yves
 Has anyone aquaris E 4.5 android version?
 you have to flash the factory ubuntu edition image to it first, before being able to flash ubports on it
 i'd suggest joining the welcome room for install help
 I'm on xenial on the M10 tablet. I have an mp4 in my downloads folder. … If I open the media player and try to open a  file the apps I can choose to use don't include the File Manager.
 I was going to open a bug report but wonder if someone else could confirm?
 (I had two file managers at one stage and removed one. So don't know if that may have caused this)
 @padraic7a, how did you have two? it sounds like you removed the click one?
 @padraic7a, can you go to open store and install file manager again, and see if it fixes the issue?
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/496
 @dohbee, Good thinking. Will do
 That works in that File Manager is now presented as an option.
 However it doesn't bring up the actually working version of File Manager..
 @padraic7a, what does running `ubuntu-app-launch-appids | grep file` show?
 (Photo, 1280x357) https://irc.ubports.com/ZxwUd4Ju.png
 I wonder. If my update history has ~distorted xenial. Would it be better to reset? Would that give the nearest functionality of the distro as is?
 @padraic7a, huh, i wonder where that first one comes from. when did you first see 2 filemanager apps?
 did you also get 2 terminal apps?
 I posted the github issue ^ when I first noticed.
 Two terminal, gallery and file manager apps
 ok, i guess someone added them as debs to the rootfs to get them "working" on xenial
 Oh and calculator.
 @dohbee, I got a lot of apps duplicated on my FP2 on 16.04
 which is bad
 yes @mariogrip probably 😆
 oh and i commented on that bug already
 yeah, it's not good for apps where other integrations matter
 since those get broken
 I think we need to have a port for this phone....instant desktop mode LOL … https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/12/04/grab-voga-v-smartphone-enbedded-lazer-projector-gearbest-just-299-99/
 720p? meh
 oh come on, I think that's the biggest at that size at the moment...but you are right, that's too small for desktop mode 😁
 https://www.wikihow.com/Think-Positively
 pfffft
 if you think negatively multiple times then it would positive right?
 - x - = + Nice Idea!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/hCmQ9QoR.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/GMo1E0uq.webp
 I just want to take a moment in supergroup to notice how super cool UBports sponsors are, namely Private Internet Access. They are starting to release all of its client-side software as open source! \o/ https://www.ghacks.net/2018/03/16/private-internet-access-open-source/
 Is it safe to use Ubuntu recovery menu to wipe system's data?
 I had TWRP with LineageOS but want to install Ubuntu
 I'm still in Waiting for device to enter recovery mode but it seems it will not move from here 😅
 Seems the instability of my usb cable was causing the errors. It might work this time 😁
 @gsilvapt, That is often the problem. If you are not able to resolve it, head for the Welcome & Install room
 Incidentally, we have a group in the Portuguese language
 It worked after a few tries 😁😁😁
 Great
 Mates, this thing is beautiful ❤️
[23:21] <ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> @dohbee IOW, I should be able to type "el nino" without accents, and the word suggestion should give me the correct spelling … Perfect explanation of the idea! Nice! I created an issue....
[23:22] <ubptgbot> <Yann Roth> aaahhhh, how do you guys quote????
 @gsilvapt, It is. Elegant