[00:00] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[00:00] <slackjeff> pragmaticenigma, yes!
[00:00] <pragmaticenigma> like mine currently says " happy_hacker was herez "
[00:01] <oerheks> warty warthog
[00:01] <happy_hacker> mine says "pragmaticenigma was therez"
[00:02] <happy_hacker> slackjeff: /etc/lsb-release
[00:03] <oerheks> first release was 699 weeks and 1 day ago
[00:03] <slackjeff> happy_hacker, i not use ubuntu
[00:03] <oerheks> please not that in your app
[00:03] <oerheks> c/not/note
[00:03] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, that video tells you... he can only stream the resolution of his desktop as it's mirroring the display
[00:03] <slackjeff> let's simplify
[00:03] <slackjeff> I need to know which id is inside the os-release or lsb-release!
[00:04] <TJ-> slackjeff: I already gave you a pastebin
[00:04] <shpx> sure it must be possible to have some kind of virtual display on linux.
[00:04] <shpx> surely*
[00:04] <slackjeff> TJ-, ok!
[00:04] <slackjeff> ty!
[00:04] <slackjeff> man
[00:04] <happy_hacker> slackjeff: what you use?
[00:04] <slackjeff> for my program
[00:05] <pragmaticenigma> shpx, we cannot support this, however some simple google foo rendered this article.. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=680514371 ... have fun
[00:05] <happy_hacker> slackjeff: what is your program?
[00:06] <slackjeff> happy_hacker,
[00:06] <slackjeff> install interfaces according to what the user needs ... (xfce, lxde, gnome, cinammon) etc ...
[00:06] <slackjeff> And of course according to the distribution.
[00:06] <happy_hacker> slackjeff: what you distribution?
[00:06] <oerheks> but that would just be ubuntu, you need: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[00:06] <pragmaticenigma> slackjeff, Ubuntu already does that by itself... it doesn't require an extra program
[00:07] <enyc> shpx: depends waht you mean virtual display exactly
[00:07] <slackjeff> but it's an extra for the distributions.
[00:07] <slackjeff> all distribuitions...
[00:07] <slackjeff> ;)
[00:07] <enyc> shpx: literally, virtual X-"DISPLAY" is the  x11vncserver
[00:08] <pragmaticenigma> slackjeff, nearly all distributions have that built into their package managers.. with exceptions like slackware and it's derivatives
[00:08] <pragmaticenigma> slackjeff, for ubuntu, calling apt install gnome-desktop installs the gnome desktop and all of its dependencies and specific programs for gnome
[00:09] <pragmaticenigma> slackjeff, same goes for CentOS, Fedora, OpenSuSE, RedHat, Debian, Gentoo
[00:10] <pragmaticenigma> guess they didn't like that answer
[00:12] <happy_hacker> howdy tex
[00:38] <mrasplund> what is topic
[00:39] <guiverc> mrasplund, ubuntu support is the topic. if you have a ubuntu question/problem, ask it (in one line) and if someone knows the answers, they'll reply (please be patient waiting for a reply)
[00:40] <guiverc> 7
[00:44] <pragmaticenigma> Is there an all in one application that can take the home directory, and create an encrypted back up of it and save it to an external drive?
[00:46] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: generally the user would need to be logged out to do that; deja-dupe might have the functionality
[00:46] <TJ-> !info deja-dup
[00:47] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: "apt-cache show deja-dup" says it does: "Securely encrypts and compresses your data"
[00:50] <oerheks> deja dup is standard installed, but requests duplicity to be installed.
[00:50] <oerheks> grinn
[00:50] <supernovah> I've been isntructed to add "en_US ISO-8859-1" to /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local, but I only have a .../en, and its formatting inside is different such as "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8", should I still add this line and expect it to add the iso8859 one to my locales?
[00:50] <oerheks> but not an option in deja dup afaik, encrypted.
[00:59] <ngc0202> so I can't apt update anymore
[01:00] <ngc0202> is there anything wrong with my sources? deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ zesty main restricted
[01:00] <pragmaticenigma> Thanks oerheks and TJ-
[01:01] <pragmaticenigma> where'd TJ- go??
[01:01] <ngc0202> I have no idea what restricted means
[01:01] <supernovah> I think it means that it contains verified software
[01:01] <ngc0202> but I get: E: The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release' does no longer have a Release file.
[01:01] <ngc0202> and, by the way, who the hell wrote that error message
[01:02] <oerheks> zesty 17.04 .. eol, upgrade
[01:02] <ngc0202> hmm
[01:02] <ngc0202> what's the current version?
[01:02] <guiverc> supernovah, being EOL (17.04 zesty) the repos don't exist in archive.ubuntu.com anymore, but have been moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com  (without country codes)
[01:03] <ngc0202> hm, I see
[01:03] <guiverc> 17.04 was released in 2017-April (hence 17.04) with 9 months life - it ended 13-jan-2018
[01:03] <supernovah> guiverc: ngc0202: there
[01:03] <oerheks> 17.10 .. and 18.04 LTS soon end of april
[01:03] <pragmaticenigma> restricted contains packages that may have restrictions based on your location and cannot be installed by default
[01:04] <ngc0202> what's the latest LTS for me to put in my sources
[01:04] <pragmaticenigma> 16.04 ngc0202
[01:04] <oerheks> you cannot downgrade that way
[01:04] <ngc0202> oh, that's a downgrade
[01:04] <ngc0202> alright, the latest stable then
[01:04] <guiverc> many 'restrictions' just relate to cost; no cost for end-user-to-download; but if included in iso, canonical/ubuntu would have to pay fee...
[01:04] <ngc0202> artful?
[01:05] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[01:05] <guiverc> artful aardvark = 17.10
[01:06] <oerheks> 17.10 without unity, and xorg+wayland session, have fun
[01:06] <funky> anyone happen to know why when I'm transfering files from one device to another It will start at around 45mps then keep dropping till nothing I'm runnning Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[01:07] <pragmaticenigma> guiverc, restricted carries the restricted formats and software that is considered illegal because it can be used to copy copywritten materia https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[01:07] <pragmaticenigma> All are located in the restricted packages repository https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:07] <ngc0202> is restricted something I want in my sources?
[01:08] <pragmaticenigma> ngc0202, for media playback of certain formats, yes
[01:08] <funky> That would be from drive to drive or from usb to drive or other way around
[01:08] <ngc0202> oh ok
[01:08] <oerheks> funky, data filling buffers give a hight start-rate, just be patient
[01:08] <ngc0202> this is the longest apt update of my life right now.. what's all this about universe and multiverse?
[01:09] <funky> oerheks, thanks for the info I'll be patient :0)
[01:11] <guiverc> pragmaticenigma, thanks - i mixed up multiverse & restricted - so thanks
[01:15] <guiverc> repos - this includes a tongue-in-cheek description i liked - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[01:16] <yanbc> does any one know a guy call himself teddy_sun?
[01:17] <pragmaticenigma> guiverc, it also helped update my definition of restricted, thanks for the link
[01:18] <TheTechGuy> Yo
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> yanbc, This is a support room for Ubuntu and it's packaged software. If you have a question about Ubuntu please feel to ask it here. If you would like to talk about other topics, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:19] <TheTechGuy> Finally at my pc.
[01:19] <pragmaticenigma> TheTechGuy, your name wouldn't happen to be Leo now would it?
[01:20] <guiverc> :) most welcome pragmaticenigma
[01:22] <ngc0202> guiverc: can you explain the Debian reference
[01:24] <oerheks> !debian
[01:24] <TheTechGuy> No it isnt
[01:24] <guiverc> ngc0202, in my posted link; debian is 'up-stream' of ubuntu, meaning software from debian makes its way into ubuntu (if selected).  i've heard wimpy (martin wimpress) of ubuntu-mate say on podcast that he makes changes once in debian so they flow thru to ubuntu-mate (he supports debian mate as well)  a lot of debian work is actually done by ubuntu folks so the upstream isn't maybe ideal anology
[01:24] <TheTechGuy> The names TheTechGuy
[01:24] <TheTechGuy> Or call me god
[01:27] <pragmaticenigma> TheTechGuy, do you have a support related question about Ubuntu? please ask it. If you would like to talk about other topics, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:27] <TheTechGuy>  /whois
[02:47] <Immy1101> hi
[02:49] <Immy1101> i just installed lubuntu and fully updated... i have set up ethernet with manual settings, and a vpn - both work... after reboot, it takes a few minutes for the ethernet to automatically start
[02:54] <elkclone> close
[03:16] <VA6DAH> So I got an issue. I currently run Ubuntu 17.10 and whenever my monitor turns off, goes to sleep, etc. When it wakes up something crashes causing it to go to the login screen.
[03:16] <VA6DAH> Like I'm totally logged out. Keep losing my work.
[03:24] <VA6DAH> In dmesg I get a AMDGPU error that says displayport link status failed & Clock recovery failed.
[03:25] <VA6DAH> Shortly after gnome-shell[7770]: segfault at 18 ip 00007f799e9811bc sp 00007fff95bf3190 error 4 in libmutter-1.so.0.0.0[7f799e8c7000+142000]
[03:25] <oerheks> sounds like worth filing a bugreport
[03:32] <tamayox> Hi there
[03:32] <tamayox> I'm having a problem with my USB flash drive: Everytime I pass data to it, it gets corrupted. I've tried other USB drives and the result is the same. Any thoughts?
[03:32] <tamayox> Thank you
[03:32] <some>  /j
[03:36] <Guest59826> hi
[03:37] <Guest59826> saukk
[03:37] <Guest59826> im not using ubuntu
[03:38] <soshiant> i want to download repository of ubuntu 14.04. how can do?
[03:38] <Guest59826> no idea i use kali
[03:39] <soshiant> link download repository of ubuntu in windowse
[03:39] <soshiant> link download repository of ubuntu 14.04 in windows
[03:42] <brightspark> soshiant: do you mean the aptitude repositories containing the software you can install on Ubuntu?
[03:43] <Butterfly_> soshiant : could this help ? https://camicri.github.io/camicri-cube/#/setup-windows
[03:44] <Butterfly_> soshiant : Camicri Cube is a portable package manager aiming to help Linux users without internet access to download applications on another internet connected computer, and install them back to their original computer, offline.
[03:44] <guiverc> tamayox, i'd test your hardware, eg. booting a 'live' distro and see if using it has the same issues with usb devices; maybe using that 'live' on a different box to confirm its not your 'live' system  (just a thought)
[03:44] <soshiant> yes
[03:44] <soshiant> yes
[03:47] <tamayox> guiverc: I didn't have this problem before. I think it could be something related to the kernel
[03:50] <guiverc> tamayox, maybe, but could also be a new hardware glitch... i can't help with kernel issues except the obvious (try other kernel versions).  if you test using an older kernel & don't have an issue; it sounds like a bug needing report
[03:51] <tamayox> guiverc: Is there a way to downgrade my kernel version using APT?
[03:52] <tamayox> guiverc: I'm Ubuntu 16.04, BTW
[03:52] <tamayox> I'm on*
[03:53] <guiverc> i'm assuming you have the last two+ kernels already installed; i'd try them first.  rather than install older kernels (just to test), I'd boot say 16.04 iso to test the 2016 provided kernel , 16.04.1 to get later etc... (ie. booting iso's written to usb/dvdrw until you've proven its the cause before installing..)
[03:56] <tamayox> guiverc: Let see if I understand: You're telling me to download previous ISOs and write them in USB flash drives?
[03:57] <guiverc> its a suggestion - i'm not telling you to. it's just what I'd do
[03:57] <tamayox> guiverc: Hehehehe... bad choice of words. Yes, you're suggesting, sorry
[03:58] <tamayox> guiverc: Thing is, my USB drives are getting corrupted; I can't write data (this includes Ubuntu ISOs) on it
[04:01] <guiverc> tamayox, if you don't have another box/lappie/.. to write usb; yeah its a problem (I'm assuming you do it on another box)
[04:03] <tamayox> guiverc: I don't have another laptop :S
[04:03] <tamayox> guiverc: So, do you know how to downgrade my kernel version? (I'm out of ideas)
[04:05] <Bashing-om> tamayox: as guiverc said, you have older kernels installed, boot to grub and choose a different kernel to boot .
[04:08] <tamayox> Bashing-om: There are only 2 kernel versions on my Grub. I think I got it though; the packages are still in the repository; I'll have to install them
[04:08] <tamayox> guiverc, Bashing-om: Thanks for your help
[04:09] <Bashing-om> tamayox: We remain for your assistance .
[04:15] <brightspark> soshiant: sounds like you want to recursively download us.archive.ubuntu.com then
[04:17] <Guest76809> Hi
[04:37] <TheGoose_> Is this the appropriate channel to ask something about ufw?
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> TheGoose_: if its not ubuntu specifcly related try #netfilter mate
[04:37] <TheGoose_> thanks
[04:49] <eraserpencil> how might i edit my network config files apart from the GUI?
[04:50] <EriC^^> eraserpencil: nano in the terminal?
[04:50] <brightspark> eraserpencil: in a terminal, well-known editors are vi, emacs, nano
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> wasnt there a network-manager tool also?
[04:51] <brightspark> lotuspsychje: you mean nmcli?
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> brightspark: yeah tnx +1
[04:53] <eraserpencil> RIGHT. I meant, where would network config files be located. I have 3 strange and undeletable "Wired" interfaces showing in Settings>Network, but not in Network Connections. /etc/network/interfaces shows it is linked to /etc/network/interfaces.d, which is an empty folder
[04:55] <brightspark> eraserpencil: do they appear in the ouput of "nmcli c" ?
[05:09] <Codsworth> thanks #ubuntu for supporting freenode and making great os :)
[05:17] <exit70> Hi, do you think https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-15-5000-gaming/spd/inspiron-15-5576-gaming-laptop would be a good laptop for linux? i heard amd open source drivers are pretty good lately?
[05:20] <segersjerry> exit70, If you are going to buy new, there are several places that ship laptops with linux preinstalled, I'd request that you support them. system76 is one.
[05:33] <exit70> really wanna get amd gpu though
[05:34] <segersjerry> system76 isn't the only one, but I think they are on team green.
[05:34] <segersjerry> searching
[05:50] <segersjerry> exit70, how about thelinuxlaptop.com ?
[05:51] <segersjerry> they have a decent rating with the better business bureau and some with amd graphics.
[05:52] <segersjerry> never heard of them before so buyer beware
[06:09] <zamba> i'm looking for a driver for the 930-8i raid controller in ubuntu
[06:16] <jk^> hi all, pls, may u help me to install printer/scanner? I was not able to do it
[06:16] <vlt> jk^: What did you do, what did you expect to happen and what happened instead?
[06:17] <jk^> Simply, i try to find its drivers on manufacturer's site, but they arent'
[06:17] <jk^> aren't
[06:17] <jk^> after, i haven't try anything :\
[06:20] <nick_hearthstone> clear
[06:27] <jk^> how to proceed?
[06:33] <jk^> i'm on lubuntu
[06:33] <jk^> i've installed "cups" package
[06:33] <jk^> now?
[06:43] <vlt> jk^: You could open http://localhost:631 and try to add the printer there.
[06:57] <gatekeeper__> how do I run gedit so I can edit config files?
[06:58] <EriC^^> gatekeeper__: sudo -H gedit /configfile
[06:58] <hateball> ... assuming it is a config file not owned by the regular user
[06:59] <gatekeeper__> Thanks I will give that a try
[07:05] <meway> is there a way to install lubuntu without a usb drive or CD?]
[07:05] <cfhowlett> !install | meway yes
[07:05] <gatekeeper__> EriC^^, I get: No protocol specified
[07:06] <gatekeeper__> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[07:06] <meway> "lubuntu"
[07:06] <EriC^^> gatekeeper__: does sudo -H gedit work?
[07:06] <cfhowlett> meway, same methodology
[07:06] <gatekeeper__> EriC^^, Nope same thing :-(
[07:07] <EriC^^> meway: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Menuentry_Example
[07:07] <EriC^^> gatekeeper__: what about sudo -i , then typing gedit
[07:08] <meway> yea just clicked the link but oh gaud so many ways to install :D
[07:08] <gatekeeper__> EriC^^, that does not work either
[07:08] <gatekeeper__> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[07:09] <Anywhere> So I switched to Ubuntu 17.* yesterday from x64 to 32bit. Now my wifi is wonky. THe machine is in the same exact spot. Whenever I download something, internally or externally, I get timeouts if the file is too big. Everything else connected to the router works fine, including wifi from my other laptop.
[07:09] <meway> ok so how do I do it from a windows computer without usb or cd drive?
[07:10] <Anywhere> err, I switched from 32 bit to x64.
[07:10] <Anywhere> you can install through tftp. should be docs on that.
[07:10] <cfhowlett> meway, has this computer ever ad ubuntu installed?
[07:11] <meway> cfhowlett nope. its a factory installed windows 7 32bit acer iconia tab w500.
[07:11] <cfhowlett> how much ram, meway ?
[07:11] <meway> I think 2g
[07:12] <meway> yea 2g
[07:12] <cfhowlett> pretty minimal.  lubuntu would be a better fit.  why can't you use the typical install method, e.g. usb?
[07:13] <meway> cfhowlett: I want to install lubuntu. I don't have a usb drive.
[07:14] <cfhowlett> meway, my suggestion: install virtualbox to windows, download the lubuntu .iso, install, create a vbox linux machine, install lubuntu to machine
[07:14] <Yourock17> You could use a dvd... old school
[07:15] <meway> its a tablet '
[07:15] <Yourock17> Ah.. um.. ok
[07:15] <cfhowlett> meway, see, now, little details like that matter.  a lot.  quit dropping crumbs and describe your issue in FULL.
[07:16] <meway> I said the model name and everything .-.
[07:17] <meway> I have a windows 7 tablet. Windows 7 does not play nice and this tablet could be suited better with a different os
[07:17] <meway> I want to install lubuntu without a usb and without a dvd from windows 7
[07:17] <cfhowlett> ***possibly*** ubtouch would be the solution: https://ubports.com/
[07:18] <Yourock17> How did you install windows 7 on it? Use a similiar method?
[07:18]  * meway is willing to try anything
[07:18] <cfhowlett> bit tricky without installation media.  PXE boot comes to mind, but you'll have to figure out the windows > device settings
[07:18] <vmx> Makefile:130: recipe for target 'vmmon.ko' failed
[07:18] <meway> Yourock17: x_x acer iconia tab w500
[07:18] <vmx> Makefile:130: recipe for target 'vmmon.ko' failed
[07:19] <meway> I know I'll have to install some kind of kernal to load the new os probably put the iso on a partition
[07:20] <vmx> can any help with vmware-player-6 installation on ubuntu 16.04
[07:20] <Yourock17> meway: Thank you for clarifying
[07:20] <vmx> i get this error message while compiling Makefile:130: recipe for target 'vmmon.ko' failed
[07:21] <meway> yourock17 no prob lol
[07:21] <meway> this thing is an abomination  lol
[07:22] <vmx> Makefile:130: recipe for target 'vmmon.ko' failed
[07:22] <Yourock17> Just did a search on the model. Windows 7 looks like the most frustrating thing to have on thath thing
[07:22] <cfhowlett> meway, but you can install windows apps?  virtualbox!
[07:22] <ducasse> meway: i have serious doubts you'll be very happy with lubuntu on a tablet, it's just not intended for use on one
[07:23] <meway> it has a plug in keyboard so it is more like a laptop
[07:24] <Yourock17> Lubuntu isn't very 'touch' friendly though. Unless you have an external mouse the touch aspect of it is useless
[07:25] <cfhowlett> android on tablet?
[07:25] <meway> thats fair. I'm looking into  ut now
[07:26] <meway> so I can install ubuntu from vm? on the actual pc?
[07:26] <cfhowlett> yep
[07:26] <Yourock17> What hypervisor?
[07:27] <meway> but can I run it without running windows in a vm?
[07:27] <cfhowlett> no
[07:27] <cfhowlett> the vm runs in windows.  ubuntu runs in the vm
[07:27] <meway> so if windows 7 is eating all my resources the vm becomes useless
[07:27] <EriC^^> meway: you actually can, if you want to give it a shot, sometimes it doesnt work
[07:28] <cfhowlett> run windows with minimal resources
[07:28] <cfhowlett> "safe mode" iirc
[07:28] <meway>  hmm
[07:28] <vmx> retval = get_user_pages
[07:28] <meway> Im going to go buy a flash drive :(
[07:30] <Yourock17> Alot simpler
[07:30] <meway> nvm
[07:30] <meway> whoever recommended this https://ubports.com/ubuntu-touch/get-ut  thanks
[07:34] <meway> ah yea it was cfhowlett thanks :)
[07:34] <cfhowlett> happy2help! meway
[07:35] <meway> isn't that walmarts mato?
[07:35] <meway> :P
[07:36] <EriC^^> no, walmarts stole it from here
[07:36] <meway> seems legit lol
[07:36] <EriC^^> :D
[07:37] <meway> I'll ask my market manager where we got it from xD
[07:37] <cfhowlett> I'm already dialing my attorney ...
[07:37] <EriC^^> xD
[07:37] <meway> hahaha
[07:37] <meway> rip
[07:49] <noname__> hello
[08:14] <hsoshipeng> hello everyone
[08:14] <hsoshipeng> wocaonima
[08:15] <bunnyman> Hello all,
[08:16] <hsoshipeng> where are you from?  bunnyman
[08:16] <bunnyman> @tamayox, your USB issue...sounds like the flash cells dying...normal after you've reached the r/w limit
[08:16] <bunnyman> @hsoshipeng i'm from California
[08:16] <bunnyman> how about you @hsoshipeng
[08:16] <hsoshipeng> china
[08:17] <bunnyman> oh cool, what time is it over there @hsoshipeng
[08:19] <hsoshipeng> 4:20 pm
[08:19] <hsoshipeng> and you?
[08:19] <bunnyman> 1:19 am
[08:20] <hsoshipeng> cool
[08:21] <hsoshipeng> why don't you go to sleep so late?
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> !ot | bunnyman hsoshipeng
[08:23] <hsoshipeng> ????????????
[08:24] <hsoshipeng> hello
[08:25] <ducasse> hsoshipeng: do you have an ubuntu support question? if you just want to chat, please do so in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:27] <hsoshipeng> hello everyone
[08:30] <hsoshipeng> hello lotuspsychje
[08:39] <hsoshipeng> ~anma@212.25.61.235
[08:40] <hsoshipeng> 666~anma@212.25.61.235
[08:42] <mhamd> https://www.almubasher.com.sa/auth/login
[08:43] <mhamd> https://www.tdsmanagedip.com/auth/login/
[08:43] <EriC^^> !ops | mhamd
[08:55] <gatekeeper__> I have cloned my Bitbucket repository any idea how I extract the code from my local repo to a working directory for the project?
[08:56] <John__> Hello everyone :) For my studies I've to Interview a pro in computing, is there  anyone who mind to answer some questions in pm? ^^  thanks :P (please excuse my english :O )
[08:56] <ShriHari> <gatekeeper  how is this related to UBUNTU ?
[08:58] <NoCode> Do the default proprietary nvidia drivers use OpenCL? Mandelbulber has an option to use OpenCL. Just wondering if I should compile it with OpenCL support.
[09:24] <ygl> hi all
[09:24] <ygl> can someone help me with an issue please
[09:24] <John__> Hi
[09:24] <John__> I guess we'll try our best ^
[09:24] <John__> ^^*
[09:25] <ygl> John__: i want a doc which describes how to prepare ubuntu 16.04 to support SR-IOV
[09:29] <ygl> John__: any idea ?
[09:31] <ygl> can someone help me with how to configure ubuntu 26.04 to support SR-IOV ?
[09:31] <ygl> sorry it s on ubuntu 16.04
[09:40] <pock> hi
[09:47] <MarceeZ> I have problem in ubuntu 17.04 in desktop when i click to folder it opens it default with dolphin. How to change this behaviour to open in default file manager of ubuntu?
[09:47] <michi> hi
[09:48] <michi> ola seniora
[09:48] <Guest21616> ola seniora
[09:52] <IDKIDKIDK> 18.04
[09:52] <IDKIDKIDK> when is 18.04 getting released ? Anyone
[09:53] <guiverc_d> IDKIDKIDK, 18.04 means 2018.april - can you guess when?
[09:53] <Louge> MarceeZ: 17.04? why are you still using that version? it's no longer supported
[09:54] <IDKIDKIDK> There was a time when this channel had lots of traffic
[09:54] <IDKIDKIDK> guiverc_d> Hope its not 1st April
[09:55] <guiverc> IDKIDKIDK, nah - late in month of april is release date.
[09:55] <IDKIDKIDK> S_I_L_E_N_C_E
[09:55] <IDKIDKIDK> G: I think it by 26th april
[09:56] <guiverc> IDKIDKIDK, at times of the day, this channel is busy, at other times it's relatively quiet  (look up the wiki if you want the exact date)
[09:57] <guiverc> MarceeZ, are you using Kubuntu? or what DEsktop are you using?
[10:14] <leeyaa> hello
[10:14] <leeyaa> cant figure out why do-release-upgrade reports no available releases even though i am trying to upgrade from 16.04 to 16.04.3 LTS
[10:14] <leeyaa> i am using these sources https://bpaste.net/show/3301421ea956
[10:14] <leeyaa> same upgrade worked fine on other machines
[10:15] <TJ-> leeyaa: d-r-u is not used for that
[10:15] <leeyaa> TJ-: use apt ?
[10:15] <hateball> leeyaa: apt full-upgrade
[10:16] <TJ-> leeyaa: 16.04.3 is a "point release" - in other words, it is just an ISO with all the updated packages on a single day
[10:16] <leeyaa> hm
[10:16] <TJ-> leeyaa: for an installed system if it's using apt update/apt upgrade the packages are alwys the latest
[10:16] <leeyaa> hateball: apt full-upgrade reports nothing
[10:16] <leeyaa> TJ-: thats strange it worked fine on other 16.04 to 16.04.3 upgrades
[10:17] <AI_> hello everyone, has anyone read Ubuntu Unleashed and was it useful ?
[10:17] <TJ-> leeyaa: what does "cat /etc/issue" tell you?
[10:17] <leeyaa> TJ-: it returns Ubuntu 16.04 LTS \n \l
[10:17] <leeyaa> something is different on this vm
[10:17] <leeyaa> i am using same ansible playbook for 20 more vms and it worked fine there
[10:17] <TJ-> leeyaa: are the apt sources configured correctly? (/etc/apt/sources.list)
[10:18] <leeyaa> TJ-: yeah, i am using https://bpaste.net/show/3301421ea956
[10:23] <TJ-> leeyaa: what version of base-files is installed? "apt-cache policy base-files"
[10:23] <TJ-> !info base-files 16.04
[10:23] <TJ-> !info base-files xenial
[10:27] <lovilr> hello guys
[10:27] <lovilr> for ftp,to transfer files from mobile to laptop,I made a mobilehotspot and have a laptop with wifi, Why is my laptop a server and the mobile hotspot a client? I thought Mobile was transmitting the signal, so it's supposed to be the client for FTP.
[10:27] <lovilr> I can't seem to understand why do I need to do it
[10:27] <TJ-> lovilr: the client is the initiator, the server is the listener (that waits for connections)
[10:28] <lovilr> I have to make the laptop as the server
[10:28] <lovilr> and why is client the mobile? no the mobile has hotspot
[10:28] <lovilr> so it's transmitting
[10:28] <lovilr> actually I am using two mobiles sometimes too, and it confusess me
[10:28] <TJ-> lovilr: don't confuse what WiFi does with the File Transfer Protocol - they are completely separate
[10:28] <lovilr> which is client and which is server
[10:29] <TJ-> lovilr: In WiFi the Access Point is the listener and Stations are the clients that request a connection
[10:29] <lovilr> why is laptop the server?
[10:29] <TJ-> I just told you
[10:29] <lovilr> laptop is having wifi, and is the client therefore
[10:29] <lovilr> just like internet browser is a client
[10:29] <lovilr> and ubuntu.com is the server
[10:30] <EriC^^> lovilr: are you sure you connected to the mobile hotspot from the laptop?
[10:30] <lovilr> I created the hotspot on the mobile, so the mobile is "transmitting " information, and so it should be the server. as it's serving the files
[10:30] <lovilr> yes my laptop has wifi, like any other one
[10:31] <EriC^^> lovilr: i dont think that matters to ftp stuff, if they're on the same network i think you can have ftp either way
[10:31] <lovilr> I also used two mobiles, and the hotspot one became the client, and the wifi-one the receiver became the server
[10:31] <EriC^^> maybe you want mtp stuff to transfer files to and from your cellphone?
[10:31] <EriC^^> !mtp | lovilr
[10:32] <lovilr> my question is why is that. They deliberately made it like that
[10:33] <EriC^^> lovilr: what do you mean by it became the server?
[10:33] <leeyaa> TJ-: interesting
[10:34] <lovilr> EriC^^: wifi laptop/mobile acts as the server
[10:34] <lovilr> why
[10:34] <lovilr> and the "transmitter" is the client-which is weird
[10:35] <EriC^^> lovilr: have a look here https://askubuntu.com/questions/146529/how-to-connect-mtp-devices-via-usb
[10:36] <EriC^^> lovilr: try airdroid
[10:37] <TJ-> EriC^^: I think lovilr doesn't understand that WiFi connections and FTP are totally separate things and assumes a Wifi AP on the 'phone is *THE* server for everything so why is it using FTP client to connect to laptop
[10:38] <EriC^^> TJ-: yeah a few things are mixed up
[10:39] <lovilr> and which is the host...
[10:40] <EriC^^> lovilr: there's no host except in the ftp context, in wifi it's just a connection between access point and clients
[10:41] <lovilr> no wifi is the server. say laptop, I am saying wifi one-should the client, and hotspot transmitter one, should be the server.
[10:41] <EriC^^> it doesn't matter which is hotspot or client, once they're connected you can connect from either to to the other as long as the service is running on the one you're connecting to
[10:41] <lovilr> so you are saying that wifi laptop is the client?
[10:41] <EriC^^> to be honest i'm finding it hard to follow
[10:42] <EriC^^> once you connect to the hotspot why do you say it's the server?
[10:42] <EriC^^> i dont get that part
[10:42] <lovilr> because I am transfering files, from mobile to laptop?
[10:43] <lovilr> so mobile hotspot is "serving files"
[10:43] <lovilr> so it's the server...
[10:43] <EriC^^> ok, so the wifi aspect of it is irrelevant
[10:43] <lovilr> sorry should be
[10:44] <lovilr> wifi one, should've been the client
[10:44] <guiverc> AI_, did you get a response?
[10:44] <EriC^^> lovilr: it depends whether the wifi one has a ftp server to connect to
[10:46] <EriC^^> lovilr: wifi is just a connection that's all, ftp stuff is another system, if host A has ftp you can connect to it, if host B has ftp you can connect to it
[10:47] <EriC^^> ftp is a service on the pc's with a port opened, wifi is just transmitting the connection between them, hope that clears it up
[10:48] <geodb27> People hi ! I'm having troubles with two of my ubuntu-lts16.04 servers. This is what I repeatadly get when using journalctl -xf on these systems : https://pastebin.com/16tYGz7X
[10:49] <geodb27> Both are up-to-date (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) done a few minutes ago, a reboot followed.
[10:50] <blip99> hi all, my system would hang on boot ("starting light display manager") after I used the Additional Drivers GUI to switch from nvidia to xorg nouveau driver.  I'm now booted via LiveCD, and mounted /
[10:50] <blip99> how can I via CLI flip that switch back?
  how much disk space do you have
[10:50] <blip99> ie set nvidia as my driver
[10:51] <EriC^^> blip99: boot into recovery mode, drop to root shell, remount rw, and reinstall nvidia
[10:51] <EriC^^> !recovery | blip99 you might need to hit 'start networking' before dropping to root shell
[10:52] <blip99> EriC^^: must I reinstall by downloading the binary again etc..?  Is there no simple switch I can flip.  Back in the old days xorg.conf was pretty much all :)
[10:52] <EriC^^> blip99: if the nvidia package got removed then you'll have to redownload it
[10:52] <lovilr> EriC^^: no it's not
[10:52] <TJ-> lovilr: when you connect 2 PCs with an Ethernet cable, which one is server and which is client? Answer: neither, it's a bi-directional link. The same applies to WiFi. You're comfusing yourself because with WiFi, to establish the connection, you're operating the 'phone as an Infrastructure Access Point and the Laptop as a Station. You could operate them both in Ad-Hoc model in which case both would be equal in
[10:52] <TJ-> the negotiation.
[10:52] <geodb27> Ubuntu_admin: 20Gb but not just one mount point. Hang on.
[10:53] <lovilr> wifi open the port...but what about the mobile hotspot one
[10:53] <EriC^^> blip99: if you want you could chroot from the live usb and investigate
[10:53] <lovilr> thattoo should've open ports
[10:53] <TJ-> lovilr: anyhow, we've explained it fully to you, and this is *NOT* an Ubuntu support question. If you still don't understand ask in ##networking
[10:53] <geodb27> Ubuntu_admin: https://pastebin.com/X7eH0WVa here it is. And as you can see, there is no filesystem full.
[10:54] <blip99> EriC^^:  I'm already in live usb, mounted / .  would you mind walking me through some basic checks please?  it's been years since i did this
[10:54] <lovilr> what is the Ad-Hoc model that you talk about
[10:55] <EriC^^> blip99: sure, first mount bind the virtual fs, "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[10:55] <AI_> guiverc: nope, never got a response, did you read it ?
[10:55] <lovilr> as laptop does *NOT* have hotspot transmission feature
[10:55] <guiverc> geodb27, check inodes avail  (df -hi)
[10:55] <TJ-> geodb27: how much memory does the system have? "No buffer space available' means RAM not disk space
[10:55] <guiverc> AI_, to me its offtopic here, please go to #ubuntu-discuss & i can.  (you don't have to leave this room)
[10:55] <blip99> EriC^^: I'm sudo su.  think that's sufficient permission-wise no?
[10:56] <EriC^^> blip99: yeah, no need for sudo in the command
[10:56] <lovilr> wait a sec, so how do I make my laptop as the client ,and mobile as the server?
[10:56] <lovilr> I don't think I can
[10:56] <EriC^^> lovilr: try airdroid, it's a nice app
[10:57] <geodb27> https://pastebin.com/jY7vkAhe there is free memory and there are not a lot of inodes used as per these pastes.
[10:58] <blip99> EriC^^: your command results in '/mnt/dev mount point does not exist'.   can i mount them under /media ?
[10:58] <lovilr> EriC^^: ok, and can I make the hotspot one as the server, and the wifi one as the client?
[10:58] <lovilr> can I reverse the thing, as you say it's bi-directional...
[10:59] <EriC^^> blip99: ah, yes you have to put the mountpoint of /, it's /media/ubuntu/something
[11:00] <blip99> EriC^^: this is remounting my root over the live'cds pints /
[11:00] <blip99> ?
[11:00] <EriC^^> lovilr: you can copy files from and to the mobile with airdroid
[11:00] <TJ-> geodb27: does the system use LDAP ?
[11:00] <geodb27> TJ-: indeed.
[11:01] <TJ-> geodb27: what does "cat /etc/issue" report?
[11:01] <EriC^^> blip99: no, this mounting the /sys /proc and other filesystems at your install's '/' so you can chroot into it and use apt and other stuff
[11:01] <blip99> oh wow didnt know thats possible
[11:01] <blip99> few mins sorry
[11:01] <blip99> brb
[11:02] <geodb27> TJ-: Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS \n \l
[11:04] <wzy> oad
[11:04] <wzy> sad
[11:04] <wzy> sa
[11:04] <wzy> gfdgd
[11:04] <TJ-> geodb27: I think you've hit a rare issue with DBus
[11:04] <wzy> hgnm
[11:06] <TJ-> geodb27: on thew affected system does it receive a lot of SSH connections?
[11:08] <geodb27> Well, I guess so. The "fun" part, is that these two machines are physical ones and have this issue. I have a virtual machine that is quite the same (same ubuntu version, up-to-date, and so on). And I don't have this issue on the virtual machine.
[11:08] <geodb27> No, they don't receive much ssh connections. However, they all run a lot of apache2 instances.
[11:09] <TJ-> geodb27: possibly related to Bug #1591411 and to upstream issues in DBus and Systemd mentioned in this issue https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2925
[11:14] <blip99> EriC^^: im sorry had a quick work meeting where i explained my OS problems :) .  I mounted everything as you said.  what next?
[11:15] <geodb27> thanks TJ- for the link. I've read it from top to bottom, and it seems that I have two problems that affects systemd-logind : nfs and ldap. However, I *NEED* both.
[11:15] <EriC^^> blip99: np, type 'chroot /media/ubuntu/...something'
[11:16] <blip99> EriC^^: chroot /media/xubuntu/root
[11:16] <blip99> thats where root is mounted
[11:17] <EriC^^> blip99: ok, cool
[11:17] <blip99> ok im in\
[11:17] <EriC^^> blip99: ok, see if the nvidia driver is still installed, dpkg -l 'nvidia*'
[11:18] <EriC^^> blip99: ii at the start means installed
[11:18] <blip99> EriC^^: nvidia-384 installed, alongside related packages
[11:18] <blip99> what we're doing is insanely cool btw :)
[11:19] <EriC^^> blip99: i wonder what happened when nouveau was chosen, maybe it just blacklisted the nvidia one then?
[11:19] <blip99> ill check /etc/modprobe.d ?
[11:20] <EriC^^> blip99: good idea
[11:21] <meway> is there a version of wubi that works?
[11:21] <TJ-> geodb27: from my reading it looked as if Ubuntu 16.04 should be patched, but it's worth reviewing the package changelogs to be sure
[11:22] <blip99> EriC^^: i switched to nouveau using Additional Drivers GUI - in case this information is useful :)
[11:23] <blip99> EriC^^: there's an /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf which blacklists nouveau
[11:23] <lovilr> phone is the access point? and the wifi laptop as the station..you are wrong TJ-
[11:23] <lovilr> wifi access point is the laptop
[11:23] <blip99> now i just wanna go back to nvidia-384
[11:23] <lovilr> the station-is the mobile hotspot
[11:24] <EriC^^> blip99: try reinstalling nvidia-384 , apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-384
[11:24] <rommel> ^
[11:24] <happy_hacker> is 18.04 available for testing?
[11:25] <blip99> EriC^^: done. reboot?
[11:25] <Butterfly_> !ubuntu+1 | happy_hacker
[11:25] <happy_hacker> hey, I joined #ubuntu+1
[11:25] <guiverc> happy_hacker, yes in beta1 (for flavors; ubuntu doesn't do beta1)
[11:25] <Butterfly_> ask there happy_hacker
[11:25] <TJ-> lovilr: I've already told you once; If you don't understand these concepts goto ##networking - these are not Ubuntu support issues
[11:25] <EriC^^> blip99: yeah
[11:26] <meway> !wubi
[11:27] <meway> but its the most practical for this tablet .-,
[11:27] <meway> can I trick my hosts file into grabbing the url from someplace else?
[11:28] <blip99> EriC^^: still black screen.  shall i try nomodeset or removing quiet again?   or recovery mode?
[11:28] <geodb27> Indeed TJ-. However, I've found also this page https://serverfault.com/questions/707377/slow-ssh-login-activation-of-org-freedesktop-login1-timed-out and at the bottom, it is said that this behaviour is fixed in dbus version 1.11.10 (yet, I only have 1.10.6 installed (and available))
[11:28] <EriC^^> meway: there is a way to install from virtualbox to your actual hdd, it's kind of 'experimental' though, to search about it 'raw disk image vmdk virtualbox'
[11:30] <meway> thanks EriC^^
[11:30] <EriC^^> blip99: no, reboot into the live usb, and upload the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log & anything relevant in /var/log/lightdm
[11:30] <meway> is there an ISO version of utports?
[11:31] <EriC^^> blip99: does grep -R 'blacklist nvidia' /etc return anything at all?
[11:32] <EriC^^> /media/.../etc *
[11:32] <TJ-> geodb27: I just looked at the dbus changelog and it says LP: #1591411 was fixed quite some time ago
[11:32] <blip99> EriC^^: gimme few mins pls. the liveusb didnt boot :/
[11:33] <TJ-> geodb27: does the dbus service log reveal any clues? The messages you've shown seem to indicate systemd/systemd-logind cannot communicate over DBus
[11:37] <EriC^^> blip99: alright, tyt
[11:38] <EriC^^> blip99: apparently running 'nvidia-settings' from the chroot might bring up some display that can fix the settings
[11:39] <blip99> EriC^^: the live USB freezes with the xubuntu logo... i just booted from it an hour ago lol.  my luck..
[11:39] <EriC^^> blip99: try in a terminal "xhost +local:"   then in the chroot "DISPLAY=:0 nvidia settings" it should pop it up in the live usb's desktop
[11:40] <EriC^^> dang, maybe nomodeset might help?
[11:40] <blip99> EriC^^: can you please repost the chroot command, i lost the logs irc dc'ed
[11:40] <EriC^^> blip99: sure, "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[11:40] <blip99> ty
[11:41] <geodb27> TJ-: hang on, I check it right now
[11:42] <geodb27> All I get with journalctl --unit dbus -xf is every 25 seconds it claims : [system] Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1': timed out
[11:42] <blip99> EriC^^: im in the live USB.  booted the 4th time.  i'll try all the advice you gave and write you in 5 mins
[11:42] <EriC^^> blip99: ok
[11:44] <TJ-> geodb27: looking at the systemd-229 source, the message originates in src/core/dbus.c::signal_agent_released() and that is only called from bus_on_connection() and bus_setup_system() ... so it does look like a problem in dbus itself
[11:45] <blip99> EriC^^:  nvidia-settings returns  "No protocol specifed.  Unable to init server.  Could not connect: Connection refused.  Error the control display is undefined, please run nvidia-settings --help for usage information'
[11:46] <geodb27> TJ-: I understand but it is far from what I can do on my machines to have things run fine.
[11:47] <blip99> EriC^^: grepping in /etc, there's blacklist nvidia-173, blacklist nvidia-current, ..... but no blacklist nvidia 384.  so i think that's good
[11:49] <blip99> EriC^^: nvidia-settings gui opens, but since driver isn't loaded it only gives limited options.  can i somehow run Additional Drivers gui of ubuntu?
[11:53]  * geodb27 afk for lunch time
[11:53] <blip99> ill post the logs now
[11:53] <ubuntu-mate> hi
[11:54] <ubuntu-mate> I had an error while installing
[11:54] <rtyuio> hi there
[11:55] <rtyuio> i m looking for specific feature i m sure it is the best  channel
[11:55] <rtyuio> for sure
[11:55] <Shapeshifter> Hi. Where in ubuntu 16.04 is the user (created during setup) specified to have sudo rights? sudoers only contains '%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL' but ther user created during setup isn't actually a member of the admin group. Why can it sudo?
[11:55] <ubuntu-mate> i dunno
[11:55] <Shapeshifter> ohh wait... he's a member of the sudo group
[11:55] <ubuntu-mate> >v
[11:55] <rtyuio> each time i put a document .xls .pdf .doc etc...
[11:55] <Shapeshifter> nvm
[11:55] <blip-> EriC^^: /var/log/Xorg.0.log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R5trs2zJHT/
[11:56] <rtyuio> i would like that the document goes straightly to printer
[11:56] <rtyuio> how i can automate this ?
[11:57] <Butterfly_> rtyuio : explain "put a document .xls"
[11:57] <Butterfly_> put a document where?
[11:58] <rtyuio> on a folder
[11:59] <rtyuio> for example /user/home/folder
[11:59] <rtyuio> each time putting a document on that folder i would like that it print it automatically
[12:04] <snpresent> ..
[12:05] <leftyfb> snpresent: can we help you with something?
[12:06] <snpresent> ppa download very slow
[12:06] <snpresent> :(
[12:07] <aruns_> Hi, is it possible to check from the command line if the current browser tab is playing video / audio?
[12:08] <aruns_> Not on my Linux machine atm so cannot check.
[12:08] <rtyuio> hello
[12:08] <rtyuio> understand my question ?
[12:08] <leftyfb> rtyuio: look into monit to monitor the directory and lpr to print. You will have to script this. It's really not an ubuntu support issue.
[12:08] <aruns_> My machine at home is Ubuntu 16.04
[12:09] <leftyfb> aruns_: that would be a command line feature of your browser. And I doubt it.
[12:09] <kleanchap> What is the login Window manager that uses beautiful backgrounds and does change every X seconds?
[12:09] <guiverc> rtyuio, please try and put your whole question/statement into a single line - when spread out (over many lines between other people talking, entering/leaving) its harder to read, also be patient waiting for people to try and help you.
[12:10] <leftyfb> guiverc: I've already given them an answer
[12:10] <guiverc> sorry leftyfb
[12:11] <orf__> I've got a weird request, how would I install all fonts available in the Ubuntu apt repo?
[12:11] <orf__> Google suggests installing 'ubuntustudio-font-meta', but that brings in a lot of other packages
[12:15] <arifuzzaman> Hi, when I try to boot my Ubuntu 16.04 laptop (dual booted), it gets into emergency mode. But I can get into the Recovery mode from the GRUB, update Grub boot loader and then resume to regular boot. in this alternative way, some of he graphics drivers are not working and PC getting very hot... Is there any solutions without re-installation?
[12:16] <Cardium> hello o/ I have a mediocre laptop (n3450 and 4gb ddr3 ram) which i'm running arch + xfce4 atm. I'm considering to switch back to ubuntu which version would fit my computer best? I used xubuntu in the past
[12:16] <EriC^^> blip99: hey, sorry i got dc
[12:17] <EriC^^> blip99: the blacklist nvidia-current might cause the issue
[12:17] <guiverc> orf__, from what I see it loads ubuntustudio-fonts, which contains (you can see for xenial with https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntustudio-fonts) - it doesn't look like all fonts available (it'll be all studio uses I bet only)
[12:18] <EriC^^> blip99: about nvidia-settings, try typing "xhost +local:" in a terminal and then use "DISPLAY=:0 nvidia-settings" in the chroot
[12:18] <orf__> yeah :(
[12:18] <orf__> apt install fonts-* gets all of them, but there is a conflict
[12:18] <orf__> between fonts-roboto-hinted and fonts-roboto-unhinted
[12:18] <orf__> and my regex foo is not good enough to exclude one or the other
[12:20] <guiverc> orf__, i don't know if there is a better way; but I'd just get a package list; script it to spit them out a few at a time to `apt-get install`  (echo first so you can scan its not scrapped unwanted things too)
[12:23] <orf__> thanks guiverc!
[12:23] <orf__> I'll try that
[12:24] <orf__> After this operation, 2250 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:24] <orf__> :O
[12:27] <user_> hi
[12:54] <blip99> EriC^^: sorry dc'ed again
[12:55] <EriC^^> blip99: no worries
[12:55] <EriC^^> blip99: the blacklist nvidia-current might cause the issue
[12:55] <pragmaticenigma> Cardium, ultimate the best option is what works best for you. That said, Xubuntu and Lubuntu are both designed to be light weight Desktop editions of Ubuntu.
[12:55] <EriC^^> blip99: about nvidia-settings, try typing "xhost +local:" in a terminal and then use "DISPLAY=:0 nvidia-settings" in the chroot
[12:56] <blip99> EriC^^: yes nvidia-settings runs now, but doesn't show options since driver isn't loaded
[12:56] <blip99> EriC^^: did the logs paste reach u?
[12:56] <EriC^^> blip99: oh, nope
[12:56] <blip-> EriC^^: /var/log/Xorg.0.log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R5trs2zJHT/
[12:57] <blip99> test
[12:58] <EriC^^> blip99: the log looks like it's from a nomodeset attempt
[12:58] <blip99> EriC^^: To recap, nvidia-384 is installed.  I'm trying to switch the driver from nouveau to nvidia-384 via liveusb chroot
[12:58] <EriC^^> blip99: it also says (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[12:59] <blip99> EriC^^: oh that's odd, shall i try another reboot?
[12:59] <blip99> yeah that message is odd.  the kernel module should be there,  when we did apt --reinstall it also recreated the module
[12:59] <blip99> maybe i unblack list nvidia-current and reboot?
[12:59] <EriC^^> blip99: yeah, try to reboot and maybe also try starting xorg manually from a tty, "DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm" see what happens, especially an (EE) messages
[13:00] <EriC^^> blip99: yes, that's a good idea
[13:01] <GuiToris> hello, can you help me? I tried to hide pid processes but now I'm unable to log in graphically /etc/fstab proc    /proc    proc    defaults,hidepid=2     0     0
[13:02] <EriC^^> GuiToris: can you login from a tty?
[13:02] <GuiToris> yes I can
[13:02] <GuiToris> I guess Xorg won't work
[13:02] <blip-> light dm log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dQqGVRkVff/  rebooting now EriC^^
[13:03] <EriC^^> GuiToris: edit /etc/fstab from there?
[13:03] <EriC^^> blip-: thx
[13:03] <GuiToris> EriC^^, I don't really understand this
[13:04] <GuiToris> I don't know how I should enable hidepid
[13:05] <pragmaticenigma> GuiToris, what are you attempting to do by hiding a pid?
[13:05] <happy_hacker> GuiToris: why do you want to hid PIDs?
[13:05] <happy_hacker> s/hid/hide
[13:06] <GuiToris> users can see each others processes
[13:06] <happy_hacker> and?
[13:06] <EriC^^> blip-: i have an idea, how about chrooting, then starting 'additional drivers' in the chroot like you did for nvidia-settings and maybe it will reverse what it did?
[13:06] <blip99> EriC^^: still hangs on "Started Light Display Manager".  I also just noticed a "Failed to start Nvidia Persistence Daemon" in the verbose boot output
[13:08] <blip99> EriC^^: i didnt unblacklist, sorry.  so stressed out.  ill write u in a few
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> GuiToris, I'd suggest you fully read up on that technique before you implement it. That is a suggestion, primarily for a server environment. In a desktop environment, the expectation is much more different and you are going to experience the behavior your seeing. My suggestion, don't hide procs. Harden your system in other forms, like enforcing strong passwords, properly configuring your firewall, disabling services your
[13:11] <pragmaticenigma> are certain you don't need.
[13:19] <blip99> EriC^^: i tried the additional drivers in chroot earlier, it showed nvidia-384 selected.  maybe it's time for recovery mode and uninstalling then reinstalling nvidia-384 from there?
[13:21] <EriC^^> blip99: yeah, try to purge nvidia completely then reinstall, maybe it's better if you install in the additional drivers as well just in case
[13:21] <EriC^^> tough cookie this one :D
[13:22] <blip99> EriC^^: sounds good. once i get lucky to boot into livecd again without it hanging, i'll do this from chroot
[13:22] <blip99> what i can't believe is how can changing something in a gui cause this...
[13:22] <EriC^^> yeah, it's pretty mind boggling
[13:23] <blip99> i did it yesterday at 11pm just to try the driver.  and now i wasted half a day of work with everyone angry at me for using linux and not actually working on work stuff today :D
[13:23] <happy_hacker> !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:24] <ioria> blip99, what you did in the gui ?
[13:24] <EriC^^> blip99: yup linux is fun when you have the time :D
[13:25] <blip99> ioria: after months of using nvidia-384 without issues, i said "Let me try nouveau perhaps the GPU temp won't be so high"
[13:25] <blip99> and clicked on ubuntu's Additional Drivers, switched to Xorg.conf nouveau
[13:25] <blip99> and BOOM
[13:25] <blip99> ubuntu broke itself :)
[13:25] <ioria> blip99, ok, so you purged nvidia ?
[13:25] <blip99> no we did a --reinstall
[13:25] <blip99> i'll try the purge now
[13:25] <ioria> blip99,  what video card ?
[13:26] <blip99> gimme few mins to try EriC^^ 's suggestions pls
[13:26] <happy_hacker> ssh: connect to host 192.168.100.8 port 22: Connection refused
[13:27] <happy_hacker> what do I need to change so I can ssh into my shiny, new Ubuntu 17.10.1 install?
[13:27] <EriC^^> happy_hacker: did you install openssh-server?
[13:27] <happy_hacker> EriC^^: thought ssh would install by default
[13:27] <happy_hacker> EriC^^: didn't notice a service with systemctl
[13:27] <EriC^^> nope, just the client
[13:28] <happy_hacker> EriC^^: thanks, I'm in
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> tada!
[13:32] <happy_hacker> how/where do I add LC_COLLATE=C to my locale?
[13:32] <blip99> EriC^^: purged all nvidia stuff i could find.  now starting additional drivers via chroot
[13:32] <EriC^^> blip99: ok, cool
[13:34] <blip99> EriC^^: error after i select nvidia-384 and click apply:   Big traceback ending in 'aptdaemon.errors.AptDaemonError: socket does not exist: /tmp/aptdeamon-......./debconf.socket
[13:36] <EriC^^> blip99: try 'ubuntu-drivers devices'
[13:36] <blip99> ioria: GTX 1050 Mobile.  Works fine on nvidia driver, but then i changed to nouvea and consequently couldn't get into my system (hangs after starting display manager)
[13:37] <EriC^^> blip99: does it say the nvidia-384 is the recommended driver?
[13:37] <blip99> EriC^^: yes
[13:37] <aiden> looking for some help here
[13:37] <EriC^^> blip99: cool, try ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[13:38] <EriC^^> aiden: ask
[13:38] <blip99> its doin it
[13:38] <blip99> BOYS it's DOIN IT
[13:38] <blip99> :)
[13:38] <EriC^^> lol nice :)
[13:38] <blip99> here we go
[13:38] <aiden> Ubuntu has made it so I can boot in my original windows OS
[13:38] <blip99> i have high hopes
[13:39] <aiden> Its corrupted the files and gave me the windows error were I cant boot properly I can only boot in my Ubuntu
[13:39] <blip99> EriC^^: done. reboots???
[13:39] <EriC^^> blip99: yeah
[13:39] <blip99> REboots or Reshoes
[13:39] <blip99> heheheh
[13:39] <aiden> For me?
[13:40] <aiden> Advice?
[13:40] <EriC^^> aiden: you mean 'wubi' ?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> oh, god.  anything but wubi?
[13:41] <aiden> yes
[13:41] <cfhowlett> !wubi | aiden
[13:42] <cfhowlett> advice: fix windows with windows repair tools.  then either use virtualbox in windows or a proper dual boot system
[13:42] <aiden> So how can I remove Ubuntu though Wubi and restore my windows OS to normal?
[13:43] <implite> how do i change my aspect ratio in gnustep?
[13:44] <implite> screen size
[13:45] <blip99> EriC^^: Eric, you done it again man! :) .  We're in!
[13:45] <EriC^^> blip99: great! good to hear :)
[13:46] <aiden> How can I fix my issue Eric?
[13:46] <blip99> EriC^^: ty so much man!  Now i can get back to work and hopefully make the stressful deadlines :) . You saved me a mini-heart attack :D .  I won't touch this driver ever again.  and worst case scenario i always purge and reinstall from chroot or recovery.  CYA! :)
[13:46] <cfhowlett> aiden, I already told you.  boot windows repair tools disk.  downloadable from windows IIRC
[13:47] <cfhowlett> microsoft download
[13:47] <EriC^^> blip99: no problem buddy, glad it worked out, cya :)
[13:51] <basalt> hi, if i use the UI to update the system i have to disable the secure boot, if i do this, the installation will go on, but after this update the laptop went crazy, after enable secure boot again, the laptop is back ok again. can i update without disable secure boot?
[14:00] <skinux> Could I get some help properly configuring nginx?
[14:01] <leftyfb> skinux: you've been here enough to know that's not how to ask for help
[14:07] <skinux> Sorry here is config https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/aa94232abbc98004c8f62fc1b5e51e2d
[14:08] <leftyfb> skinux: you have yet you explain a problem
[14:08] <skinux> I'm getting WSOD with no real explanation.
[14:09] <skinux> I've verified  FastCGI does start process
[14:10] <leftyfb> skinux: pastebin your /etc/php7/nginx/php.ini
[14:11] <negev> hi, i've got an old 14.04 box on which i have two tcp listeners, one tcp4 the other tcp6, which i can't seem to relate to a process with either netstat or lsof
[14:11] <negev> is there some other way to infer ownership?
[14:12] <leftyfb> negev: if you've run lsof on a port number properly and nothing shows up, then nothing is listening on that port
[14:12] <TJ-> negev: what information does 'sudo netstat -tnlp"  provide?
[14:13] <negev> TJ-: it shows the listening ports but with no process for those two
[14:13] <TJ-> negev: what port numbers?
[14:13] <negev> TJ-: tcp4 45410 and tcp6 57250
[14:13] <leftyfb> negev: can you pastebin what TJ- posted and also your lsof commands on each of the ports?
[14:15] <negev> leftyfb: https://gist.github.com/m4rkw/9f65ffdf75b4d5d84d7f7213ce6ac860
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> Hey TJ-, in case you didn't see it from last night. Thank you for the suggestion on Deja Dup. Bummer of it, looking through the issue logs it appears there are a lot of issues with being unable to recover from the back ups
[14:16] <leftyfb> negev: sudo lsof -i :45410  ; sudo lsof -i :57250
[14:16] <negev> leftyfb: both return nothing
[14:16] <leftyfb> negev: can you pastebin that please?
[14:16] <negev> you want me to pastebin the fact that it's returning no lines?
[14:17] <TJ->  pragmaticenigma really?! has it become abandonware ?
[14:17] <negev> leftyfb: https://gist.github.com/m4rkw/a922839261fa0afbec2404f5f2761467
[14:17] <negev> not really sure why that was necessary
[14:18] <leftyfb> negev: I'm assuming by your prompt that you are logged in as root. If that's the case and nothing is returning, then nothing is listening on those ports
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, not exactly. It's got one active developer and they only work on it in their spare time. I don't know if Canonical is contributing or not to the project. Deja Dup primarily is a front end gui for the command line of duplicity though. So I'm looking into leveraging that directly
[14:18] <negev> leftyfb: https://gist.github.com/m4rkw/92520de30edba7fe0e3a3bf339ae977f
[14:19] <TJ-> negev: I've got similar ports, in my case they're kernel NFSv4 ports
[14:19] <negev> this system begs to differ
[14:19] <negev> i do have nfs mounts on this machine
[14:19] <TJ-> negev: that'll likely be it, use rpcinfo to check
[14:20] <negev> rpcinfo doesn't list those ports
[14:21] <TJ-> negev: try "sudo rpcinfo -p  localhost"
[14:22] <negev> they don't show up there either
[14:22] <TJ-> negev: OK, then it's some other in-kernel process; Do you have something like IP-SEC or wireguard VPNs configured?
[14:24] <Duckle> Hey ubuntu, any tips on why nautilus hijacks all my keyboard shortcuts, rendering them useless?
[14:24] <Duckle> If focus is on nautilus, shortcuts are just hijacked.
[14:25] <Duckle> I've noticed it with media keys not working, and F12 that I use for guake terminal doesn't work either
[14:25] <Duckle> both of these work fine globally across other programs
[14:27] <negev> TJ-: not as far as i know
[14:28] <lavinho> good morning
[14:28] <lavinho> apple magic 2 scroll not funtion
[14:28] <lavinho> how o solved
[14:28] <lavinho> ubuntu 18.04
[14:28] <leftyfb> !bionic | lavinho
[14:29] <TJ-> negev: if you connect to the ports can you get any response?
[14:30] <negev> TJ-: no, but they do connect
[14:30] <lavinho> help me please
[14:30] <StevCero> I like the way Ubuntu Mate lets you queue file operations like copy/move instead of letting them happen all at once. Is there any way to get this behavior in standard Ubuntu?
[14:30] <leftyfb> lavinho: please go to #ubuntu+1 for help with unreleased versions of ubuntu (18.04)
[14:48] <abhi_> hi
[14:49] <EriC^^> hi
[14:49] <Donouh> Yo guys
[14:50] <Donouh> Is this the ubuntu help forum man?
[14:50] <abhi_> which contry frens
[14:50] <Donouh> philippines man
[14:51] <Donouh> Quite new at ubuntu, actually a real newbie here
[14:51] <Donouh> I have problem in installing ubuntu using usb
[14:51] <abhi_> its not for modern laptops its ok for older desktop ;laptop
[14:52] <Donouh> I been looking fron instructions on web on how to but none actually works with problem
[14:52] <Donouh> So i cant install it abhi?
[14:52] <abhi_> drivers are not available anyway what is the error
[14:53] <Donouh> Well i came up in the ubuntu screen where you are ask to try it or install etc
[14:54] <ai__> can I install ubuntu on HP Envy x2(snapdragon 835)?
[14:54] <Donouh> After that, it suppose to turn me in the ubuntu gui, like in the normal video, but mines stuck in the ubuntu loading screen
[14:54] <abhi_> is windows installed already are you trying dual boot
[14:54] <firsttimeinforev> Hi all! What is the preferred way of installing latest ubuntu with gnome? (ubuntu gnome only offers 16.04 lts release)
[14:54] <Donouh> Yah abhi, u sure know the thing
[14:54] <ai__> I didnt buy it yet
[14:54] <Donouh> I have windos 7 installed on my c drive,
[14:55] <abhi_> sorry bro mine is 10
[14:56] <ai__>  can I install ubuntu on HP Envy x2(snapdragon 835)? can I install ubuntu on HP Envy x2(snapdragon 835)?
[14:56] <Donouh> Actuall, i partion my drive to c, d, for window, now i added another clean partion for ubuntu purpose but cant install it properly though
[14:56] <abhi_> you should search on youtube
[14:56] <Donouh> Yeah, i been search it for quite a while
[14:57] <Donouh> Didnt you had problem installing it abhi?
[14:57] <abhi_> check for errors during instalation
[14:57] <abhi_> i m all internet
[14:57] <Donouh> After the option try ubuntu without installing
[14:57] <ai__>  can I install ubuntu on HP Envy x2(snapdragon 835)??
[14:57] <Donouh> Did yours load right to ubuntu gui?
[14:58] <abhi_> i am using now
[14:58] <Donouh> I see
[14:58] <abhi_> which is your divice
[14:58] <Donouh> Do you know about grub?
[14:58] <abhi_> yes
[14:58] <Donouh> How do i access grub while in ubutu installation?
[14:59] <Donouh> I heared in the forum i could try update command but i dunno how to access grub with installing ubuntu
[14:59] <abhi_> ai which is your preinstalled os
[14:59] <Donouh> I tried 16lts
[15:00] <Donouh> I also tried 14lts
[15:00] <Donouh> But theres always something wrong
[15:00] <Donouh> Sad
[15:00] <abhi_> which is your divece donou
[15:00] <Donouh> Seems like there are different problems which ever i try to install
[15:00] <Donouh> Asusf8vseries
[15:01] <Donouh> Its an old laptop
[15:01] <Donouh> So i wanna try ubuntu
[15:02] <Donouh> Is upgraded to 4gb ram so ram is no problem
[15:02] <EriC^^> Donouh: did you try using nomodeset?
[15:02] <Donouh> I didnt yet eric what does nomodeset do?
[15:02] <EriC^^> !nomodeset | Donouh
[15:03] <EriC^^> Donouh: when you boot ubuntu, is the try ubuntu without installing in a black & white menu?
[15:03] <Donouh> I try usb pendrive and made a bootable usb but i was stuck in the ubuntu loading screen after choosing try ubutu w/o installing
[15:03] <EriC^^> or 6-7 options in the middle of the screen?
[15:04] <Donouh> Is nomodest a command line?
[15:04] <skinux> Here is the php.ini which was requested https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/aa94232abbc98004c8f62fc1b5e51e2d
[15:04] <EriC^^> Donouh: it depends, can you answer the question above about the menu?
[15:06] <Donouh> About the menu
[15:07] <Donouh> When i try ubuntu without installing it just load up
[15:07] <Donouh> Checking thing most are OK some are failed
[15:07] <EriC^^> Donouh: is the try ubuntu menu in the middle of the screen, or at the top in a black & white menu?
[15:07] <Donouh> Like the cpu something
[15:08] <Donouh> The try ubuntu menu is at the lower middle that when i tried ubuntu 16lts
[15:08] <ai__> can I install ubuntu on HP Envy x2(snapdragon 835)?
[15:09] <EriC^^> Donouh: so it doesn't look like this at all, right? http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1347445084.png
[15:09] <Donouh> I know i have access grub from 1 of my installation by hitting some keys but i forgot how did i get into it
[15:09] <lordcirth_work> Donouh, holding shift during boot should bring up the menu
[15:10] <Donouh> Yeah eric, not like that, your menu is in the upper left
[15:10] <ai__> can I install ubuntu on HP Envy x2(snapdragon 835)?
[15:10] <EriC^^> Donouh: ok, press F6 when the menu is in the middle, it should activate nomodeset at the bottom, then press try ubuntu
[15:10] <Donouh> Mine was in the middle lower of the screen like a super mario brothers menu, haha
[15:11] <Donouh> Ahh
[15:11] <Donouh> Ok ill try that eric
[15:11] <Donouh> Thanks
[15:11] <Donouh> When i access nomodeset what next?
[15:12] <EriC^^> Donouh: it should boot to gui, then install as usual and see how it goes, maybe you need to install graphics drivers after installation using nomodeset again (check the link on how to boot with nomodeset)
[15:13] <alaettin> hello all
[15:13] <Donouh> Ok copy that eric thanks bro
[15:13] <EriC^^> Donouh: no problem
[15:13] <Donouh> Its hard to look for experienced ubutu installers,
[15:13] <Donouh> Thanks again bro
[15:15] <ai__> can I install ubuntu on HP Envy x2(snapdragon 835)?
[15:17] <Donouh> ai, you should check for ubuntu system requirements 1st
[15:18] <Donouh> Like 2.6 something Ghz, 4Gb ram etc if you meet those requirements i think you could try
[15:19] <slogger3141> good day! is there an easy way to make oem-install reboot machine after its finished? I have put a reboot bash script in /usr/lib/oem-config/post-install - however that doesnt get run. been googling but info seems scarce
[15:19] <bunnyman13> Morning,
[15:20] <ai__> can I install ubuntu on HP Envy x2(snapdragon 835)?
[15:21] <bunnyman13> @ai_ are you repeating yourself?
[15:21] <ai__> no one answering..it is not      x86 system
[15:21] <Donouh> Yes he is coz no one seems to answer him i think
[15:22] <Donouh> x86 i think means 32 bit
[15:22] <ai__> snapdragon 835 is ARM!
[15:22] <Donouh> If your is not x86 that means you could install 64 bit
[15:22] <ai__> pizdec
[15:23] <ai__> it is NOT x86
[15:23] <ai__> snapdragon 835 is ARM!
[15:24] <TJ-> ai__: we have some ARM ports but your issue will be the actual SoC support
[15:26] <TJ-> ai__: Ubuntu Touch might have something
[15:28] <pyrus_> hello
[15:36] <Delta706> The version of vbox that comes with ubuntu 16.4 seems unstable. Is there a way to revert to a more stable version?
[15:37] <lordcirth_work> Delta706, what problem are you having?
[15:37] <Delta706> It crashes when I start the VM
[15:37] <lordcirth_work> Delta706, change any settings? What guest?
[15:38] <Delta706> no. no guest, I am booting from ISO
[15:38] <nacc> Delta706: virtualbox is for creating VMs ... so you by definition have a guest.
[15:39] <Delta706> I have a 32-bit VM but no host OS yet
[15:39] <nacc> Delta706: ... what? VMs require a host.
[15:39] <lordcirth_work> Delta706, you mean no guest OS
[15:40] <lordcirth_work> Delta706, what ISO are you booting?
[15:40] <Delta706> no guest OS yet, I am trying to install ubuntu
[15:40] <lordcirth_work> Delta706, so, your host is Ubuntu 16.04, and you are trying to install Ubuntu 16.04 in the VM?
[15:40] <Delta706> ubuntu-16.04.4-desktop-i386.iso
[15:41] <Delta706> lordcirth_work: exactly
[15:41] <lordcirth_work> Delta706, ok, so go to where the VM is stored, ~/Virtualbox VMs by default, and read the logs
[15:41] <Donouh> Unable to find a medium containing live file system
[15:41] <Donouh> What is that
[15:41] <lordcirth_work> Donouh, context?
[15:41] <Donouh> What should i do?
[15:42] <Donouh> Lordcirth what do i do?
[15:42] <nacc> Donouh: in what context do you see that message?
[15:42] <Donouh> Initrams
[15:42] <nacc> Donouh: that is what lordcirth_work work (use tab) was asking
[15:43] <ElectroXexual>  I have a folder structure like "folder1" that contains files "1.txt,2.txt" etc and also a file named "folder1.md5" (inside folder1) that contains md5 hashes of all files in this folder and subfolders. There are more folder similar to this (like folder2, folder3 etc). How do I verify the hashes of all files without manually changing directories? Thanks for helping
[15:43] <Delta706> lordcirth_work: I have read the log. It just gives details of the crash, 4000 lines
[15:43] <Donouh> That the note i got when trying ubuntu without installing
[15:43] <leftyfb> ElectroXexual: you want #bash
[15:44] <ElectroXexual> ok
[15:44] <nacc> ElectroXexual: basically you'd write a script (which is why leftyfb suggests that)
[15:46] <ElectroXexual> yes I understand. Thanks
[15:47] <Donouh> Inistramfs unable to find a medium containing live file system
[15:47] <Donouh> Anyone know how to fix that?
[15:47] <lordcirth_work> Donouh, ok, seems like the initramfs tools can't find the installer medium
[15:47] <nacc> Donouh: is this a usb or cd?
[15:47] <Donouh> Its a usb man
[15:48] <Donouh> I tried making bootable usb for ubuntu like in the internet videos
[15:48] <Donouh> How do i resolve it?
[15:48] <lordcirth_work> Donouh, is this a 32bit or 64bit computer?
[15:48] <Donouh> Its a 64 bit
[15:49] <Donouh> I downloaded a 64bit iso too for ubuntu
[15:50] <TJ-> ElectroXexual: "find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -name 'folder*' -execdir md5sum -c {}/*.md5 \; "
[15:52] <lordcirth_work> TJ-, doesn't that assume that each directory has it's own hash file?  I think he's only got 1 at the top
[15:53] <TJ-> lordcirth_work: it assumes each *first-level* directory does
[15:54] <ElectroXexual> yeah I have only one at first level, and I got file not found for above command
[15:55] <TJ-> ElectroXexual: you may need to adjust it a bit seeing as I cannot see exactly what you're dealing with. Try replacing the -execdir .... with a simple -ls so you cn check it's only finding the directories you want
[15:58] <sansay> Hey guys whats the proper way to change logrotation for nginx? Ive been editing the file in /etc/logrotation/nginx is this the correct way?
[16:00] <Delta706> sansay: have you tried ##nginx
[16:00] <ElectroXexual> I got "md5sum: './folder1/*.md5': No such file or directory" .folder1 has a .md5 file ... the wildcard somehow didn't work
[16:00] <nacc> ElectroXexual: i think you want {}/{}.md5
[16:01] <nacc> as the folder name is the name of the folder's contained md5 file
[16:01] <sansay> i have not no
[16:02] <nacc> sansay: #ubuntu-server may also be more appropriate
[16:02] <sansay> thanks guys
[16:04] <ElectroXexual> ok that solved one issue but the *.md5 files contain relative path... so I think I must cd to dir...
[16:04] <nacc> ElectroXexual: why would they contain relative paths?
[16:05] <nacc> ElectroXexual: and yes, this is all detail we don't know
[16:06] <ElectroXexual> I'm sorry, they contain relative path so that the entire top folder "folder1" can be portable
[16:07] <ElectroXexual> I forgot to mention it...
[16:08] <nacc> ElectroXexual: that doesn't really make sense ... the files in folder1.md5 are in folder1/, no?
[16:09] <nacc> ElectroXexual: in any case, this is definitely not really ubuntu support
[16:09] <nacc> ElectroXexual: it's basic shell scripting, with knowledge of the file contents
[16:09] <TJ-> ElectroXexual: this works: find . -maxdepth 2 -type f -name 'folder*.md5' -execdir sh -c 'md5sum -c {}' \;
[16:11] <ElectroXexual> TJ-, tyvm that worked
[16:59] <mmiller131> Anyone using freenode site builtin client?
[17:07] <Dbugger> if I know a program I want to uninstall but I do not know what package it is... what can I do to uninstall it?
[17:07] <nacc> Dbugger: you know the executable's name?
[17:07] <nacc> Dbugger: dpkg -S <executable>
[17:07] <Dbugger> im not sure what is the executable :/
[17:08] <nacc> Dbugger: then what did you mean by "I know a program I want to uninstall"?
[17:08] <Dbugger> oh, wait. I can right-click it in the launcher. I did not know that :D
[17:09] <sjohnson> hi guys.  general linux / mounting question.  can a single HDD be mounted more than once?
[17:10] <TJ-> sjohnson: Yes
[17:10] <sjohnson> such that it's available in /media/pi/whatever for now, and also ~someguy so that i can do a seamless-ish transision.
[17:10] <sjohnson> TJ-: cool, thanks.
[17:11] <TJ-> sjohnson: I've sometimes done "mount --bind / /mnt/rootfs/" for example to reveal files that are hidden under mountpoints in the root (e.g. /home/ )
[17:11] <Ermachenkov_Andr> Hi everyone !
[17:12] <sjohnson> would you recommend i use bind as well>
[17:12] <sjohnson> ?
[17:12] <sjohnson> the other drive has been mounted about 3 days ago already.
[17:12] <sjohnson> kind of don't want to screw with it because people will bitch.
[17:12] <sjohnson> but i can disonnect it if i have to.
[17:14] <Ermachenkov_Andr>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.9.58 x86_64 ** Distro: Unknown Distro ** CPU: 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.98GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.9GiB, 95.3% free ** Disk: Total: 318.0MiB, 0.0% free ** VGA: 10de:0a65 ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia2: PC-Speaker - pcsp3: USB-Audio - USB2.0 PC CAMERA ** Ethernet: 10ec:8168 ** Uptime: 48m 52s **
[17:16] <MyStartx> A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept.
[17:21] <fire> hi
[17:50] <test159[m]> hello
[17:52] <kostkon> test159[m], hi
[17:56] <rollappuser> hi
[17:56] <rollappuser> people
[17:56] <pschuurmans>  hi man
[17:57] <rollappuser> look im a lil kid at school right now
[17:58] <rollappuser> so right now how r u
[17:58] <pschuurmans> goodluck on school
[17:58] <rollappuser> thnx
[17:58] <pschuurmans> just exploring weechat
[17:58] <rollappuser> im supposed to be doing work
[17:59] <rollappuser> ummm
[18:00] <pschuurmans> but it's boring, rollappuser ?
[18:01] <rollappuser> call me CYML
[18:01] <rollappuser> prefered username
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> rollappuser, pschuurmans - please keep your topics to support related help. If you would like to have a conversation, please head over to #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:01] <rollappuser> screw u
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> !language | rollappuser
[18:02] <rollappuser> be quiet
[18:03] <rollappuser> hmmmm
[18:03] <nacc> !ops
[18:03] <rollappuser> shit
[18:03] <rollappuser> fuck
[18:03] <rollappuser> cunt
[18:03] <rollappuser> blunt
[18:03] <rollappuser> dick
[18:03] <rollappuser> screws
[18:04] <rollappuser> bitch
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[18:05] <TheTechGuy> Hey, I am having trouble instslling a vpn for ubuntu
[18:05] <TheTechGuy> Hello?
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> !patience | TheTechGuy
[18:06] <TheTechGuy> I'm having trouble installing a vpn on ubuntu
[18:06] <bugzbunny> TheTechGuy: What kind of help do you need exactly?
[18:06] <bugzbunny> TheTechGuy: Connecting to a VPN server?
[18:06] <bugzbunny> TheTechGuy: Running you own VPN Server?
[18:06] <TheTechGuy> No
[18:06] <TheTechGuy> A service
[18:06] <bugzbunny> TheTechGuy: A VPN Server?
[18:07] <Andrewich1> Hi all
[18:08] <Andrewich1> Are you seeme?
[18:08] <nacc> Andrewich1: this is the ubuntu support channel, do you have an ubuntu support topic?
[18:10] <nacc> Andrewich1: please ask your questions in the channel not via PM
[18:10] <Andrewich1> Whats mean PM?
[18:10] <Andrewich1> Im from Russia, but I dont change languague
[18:11] <kostkon> Andrewich1, personal message
[18:11] <bugzbunny> Andrewich1: Private Message
[18:11] <kostkon> private*
[18:11] <kostkon> ^
[18:11] <Andrewich1> Thanks
[18:11] <Andrewich1> Anyonespeak russian?
[18:12] <nacc> !ru | Andrewich1
[18:25] <azizLIGHT> is it possible to have more than 1 speaker set and then direct audio from specific programs to specific speaker sets
[18:25] <bugzbunny> With PulseAudio, yes
[18:26] <bugzbunny> If, the speakers are connected to different sound cards, not sure about different ports on the same sound card
[18:26] <kostkon> azizLIGHT, with PulseAudio Volume Control (pavucontrol)
[18:26] <azizLIGHT> ah i see. different audio cards would be needed. that makes sense
[18:27] <azizLIGHT> unless you have 1 speaker set and are able to say rear channel goes to this program and front center goes to another program
[18:27] <azizLIGHT> or left goes to X program, and right goes to Y program
[18:27] <kostkon> azizLIGHT, that's not possible
[18:27] <azizLIGHT> why not
[18:27] <azizLIGHT> that sucks
[18:28] <bugzbunny> Probably possible, anything is possible in Linux, how to get their. You would probably need a Linux audio guru
[18:29] <bugzbunny> There is a lot nifty things that can get down in Linux
[18:29] <bugzbunny> done*
[18:32] <azizLIGHT> i mean the most hackiest way i can think of is when program X is speaking, mute right channel, and if program Y is speaking mute left channel
[18:32] <kostkon> azizLIGHT, you could nonetheless install pavucontrol and play around with it
[18:32] <azizLIGHT> i will
[18:33] <bunnyman13> hello all
[18:39] <b3zi> Hey folks, I got some troubles with: "/usr/bin/firefox -marionette -profile /tmp/rust_mozprofile.vA4OepmWsrn
[18:39] <mumeix> join #/x/philes
[18:39] <b3zi> there is no error, but no reaction as well.
[18:41] <b3zi> "firefox -marionette -profile /tmp/rust_mozprofile.vA4OepmWsrn" I just want to load that profile, but somehow there is no response
[18:43] <bugzbunny> b3zi: Out of curiousty, what Firefox version are using?
[18:44] <b3zi> latest
[18:44] <bugzbunny> Latest equals what?
[18:44] <b3zi> 60.0
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> !latest | b3zi
[18:46] <bugzbunny> I have Nightly, which is 61, looking at the manpage, I don't see neighter -marionette or -profile as options.
[18:46] <nacc> b3zi: ubuntu does not have 60 or 61
[18:46] <b3zi> okay, i didnt get it from ubuntu packages
[18:47] <TJ-> b3zi: you're calling the wrong executable; nightly lives elsewhere :)
[18:47] <b3zi> I am not with nightly
[18:48] <b3zi> The command is called out of geckodriver so it should be legit
[18:48] <TJ-> b3zi: OK, well, 60.0 then
[18:49] <TJ-> b3zi: you could try "which -a firefox" in case it's elsewhere in the path, but if it's launched via a .desktop launcher check it's 'exec' line
[18:49] <bugzbunny> Ahh, the manpage doesn't show all options
[18:50] <b3zi> That is not the struggle
[18:50] <bugzbunny> I don't see -marionette
[18:50] <bugzbunny> I don't know if you actuall mean -P marionette -profile <path>
[18:51] <b3zi> it is working together with selenium
[18:53] <b3zi> I got it. -marionette exists. But I had some troubles with a software collision. all working properly now :D
[18:54]  * b3zi is a happy tuna again :)
[18:56] <bugzbunny> Actually, didn't notice and reported your mistake, it should be '--profile'
[18:56] <bugzbunny> repeated*
[18:56] <bugzbunny> Anyway, great you got it working
[18:59] <BadPractice> hi, i just installed a ubuntu. Ubuntu starts, grub does not show and i cannot start windows anymore. Windows is still on the hdd tough
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13, please do not private message people in this chat room. Ask your support related questions in the room so everyone can see it. If you would like to chat, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:00] <PrinceAMD> anyone notice a random slowness of ubuntu 16.04 also kswapd0 using 100% cpu on all cores? i've notice this happening on 2 xeon machines.
[19:01] <kostkon> !recovergrub | BadPractice
[19:02] <kostkon> PrinceAMD, not really
[19:02] <PrinceAMD> ok
[19:03] <BadPractice> ubottu, no i installed linux after windows. Windows porobably got lost by switching from uefi/secure to legacy
[19:03] <bugzbunny> PrinceAMD: Has this always happened?
[19:03] <bugzbunny> PrinceAMD: Or just recently?
[19:03] <BadPractice> kostkon, , no i installed linux after windows. Windows porobably got lost by switching from uefi/secure to legacy
[19:03] <PrinceAMD> bugzbunny, recently - last week i noticed it
[19:03] <kostkon> BadPractice, ok
[19:04] <PrinceAMD> i've upgraded to ubuntu 18.04 and it's still happening.
[19:04] <bugzbunny> 18.04 is out?
[19:04] <PrinceAMD> i'm avoiding doing a clean install, but if i'm the only one experiencing it, i should do a clean install.
[19:04] <PrinceAMD> bugzbunny, beta
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> BadPractice, windows is requiring UEFI to be enabled to boot. hold a moment and I will locate an article on how to install Ubuntu with UEFI
[19:04] <PrinceAMD> will be out next month 26th.
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu+1 for 18.04
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> !bionic
[19:05] <PrinceAMD> +2 days :)
[19:05] <theTOOLMAN> hey whats a good tool to use my bluetooth headphones.
[19:05] <theTOOLMAN> all of the tutorials and stuff assume i run unity
[19:05] <BadPractice> does the /boot section have to be the first on the hdd?
[19:06] <bugzbunny> No
[19:06] <bugzbunny> What do you mean /boot? the EFi System Partition?
[19:06] <bugzbunny> esp doesn't can located anway, just needs to be marked as esp
[19:06] <bugzbunny> s/doesn't//
[19:06] <BadPractice> gpt partition does not contain bios boot partition
[19:06] <BelaDona> is it under pulse?
[19:07] <bugzbunny> The issue, I think pragmaticenigma is looking for a article
[19:07] <bugzbunny> Is you probably install Ubuntu in BIOS mode
[19:07] <kostkon> BelaDona, wrong channel again?
[19:07] <bugzbunny> On a GPT partition that doesn't have a 1MB bios partition
[19:07] <BelaDona> i thought it was the other shell
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> !efi | BadPractice
[19:08] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: What you should have is turn of Secure Boot, not completely switch to Legacy...
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> bugzbunny, you UEFI is either on or off... there is no non-Secure Boot mode
[19:09] <bugzbunny> You can UEFI with Secure bot on or off
[19:09] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, i tried. ubuntu didnt start on this buggy uefi impimentation
[19:10] <bugzbunny> Secure boot on or off, my HP laptop supports and ASUS mobo does it
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> bugzbunny, turing off Secure Boot in my machines disables UEFI
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> which disables my ability to boot to windows
[19:10] <bugzbunny> Huh, doesn't do that here
[19:11] <bugzbunny> That's the first I've seen that kind of implementation
[19:11] <theTOOLMAN> with pulse, how do i find my bluetooth devices?
[19:12] <bugzbunny> Turning off secure boot off here doesn't disable UEFI here
[19:12] <bugzbunny> Wow, I would complain
[19:12] <BadPractice> pragmaticenigma, im afraight you L1 support bot does not tell me anything i dont know already
[19:12] <theTOOLMAN> i'm in volume control but it has nothing about bluetooth
[19:12] <bugzbunny> theTOOLMAN: Install pavucontrol and see if it's listed
[19:13] <pragmaticenigma> BadPractice, the link in the message!
[19:13] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: What Ubuntu version is this? How did you image the disk? (I assuming this is a USB drive)?
[19:15] <theTOOLMAN> i guess this machine doesn't actually have a bluetooth device
[19:15] <bugzbunny> Anyway, yeah, follow the instructions in the link
[19:15] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, xubuntu 7.10.1 from stick made with dd
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> BadPractice, when you turned of Secure Boot or disabled UEFI, windows will no longer boot. It's written in that article I had ubottu send to you.
[19:18] <BadPractice> pragmaticenigma, i noticed it wont boot. Is it repairable?
[19:18] <bugzbunny> Just for clarification, Turning off secure boot, doesn't stop Windows from booting. Only disabling UEFI completely, if Windows was setup in UEFI mode, IIRC Windows 10 supports BIOS mode.. Preferrably, UEFI would be IMHO.
[19:18] <pragmaticenigma> BadPractice, I believe if you restore UEFI it will start booting to windows
[19:19] <BadPractice> i dont want to restor uefi
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> bugzbunny, that's partially correct. If windows 10 was installed with UEFI and Secure Boot enabled, they need to remain enabled
[19:20] <bugzbunny> Not here, I reinstall WIndows whenever their is a major update with Secure Boot on and off... I could be stand corrected
[19:21] <BadPractice> and now nothing boots at all... great
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> BadPractice, hopefully you backed up?
[19:23] <BadPractice> pragmaticenigma, ofc i did. Im no noob
[19:24] <BadPractice> this is just a really tough one
[19:24] <BadPractice> ok windows is booting on uefi/no secure. how do install ubuntu now?
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> BadPractice, read that article I sent you
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> !efi | BadPractice
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> !efi
[19:26] <paulywog> Hello everyone, quick question, what do I have to do to get an ISO image with a legacy bootloader? I'm trying to install Xubuntu on a Macbook 3,1 and I think the EFI boot is causing it to not boot properly off my USB drive.
[19:26] <pragmaticenigma> paulywog, there is no such thing
[19:27] <paulywog> So am I stuck with an old ass version of ubuntu? Or do all of the isos come with legacy bootloader and I'm doing something stupid that's causing it to not work
[19:29] <pragmaticenigma> There is no legacy bootloader... your installation media may not have been created properly. Did you follow the instructions? https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-macos#0
[19:29] <kostkon> paulywog, which version is that
[19:30] <paulywog> I'm creating the stick on another Linux machine. So far I've tried 16.04, 17.10, and 18.04, with Ubuntu's USB tool, unetbootin, and dd
[19:30] <paulywog> And the mac can be used with and without rEFIt
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> paulywog, does the USB stick support being boot from. Some USB drives do not work for botting
[19:30] <paulywog> rEFInd*
[19:30] <paulywog> I suppose I can try another, I've never tried this
[19:30] <paulywog> But Grub does come up
[19:30]  * pragmaticenigma hexchat is really flubbing up
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> paulywog, Is that the grub menu for the currently installed Ubuntu?
[19:31] <paulywog> It's just that it kp's when booting (in most scenarios) citing root device mounting issues and UEFI issues. Let me see if I can get it to do it again
[19:31] <paulywog> No, currently the drive in the macbook has osx on it
[19:32] <BadPractice> pragmaticenigma, the article just says "use a pendrive as usual" or do i miss someting? Im getting (initramfs) Unable to find medium containing a live file system
[19:33] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro3-1/Maverick .. maybe this guide is any help
[19:34] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: Is the stick good?
[19:34] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: You going to need to re-image it, but before doing that
[19:34] <bugzbunny> !md5sum
[19:34] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: ^^
[19:34] <bugzbunny> Than when you finally get a Grub menu, select verify disk, to Double Check.
[19:35] <paulywog> oerheks: Ubuntu 10.10, that's a bit old for my taste
[19:35] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, oh save me with that stuff please. I downloaded the gpg key the signature and the hashes and verified.
[19:35] <paulywog> Whole reason for going to ubuntu over macos is compatibility and security over old macos
[19:35] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, sorry man but im really not that bloody of a noob...
[19:35] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: I must have missed it, because I don't see it in my backlog
[19:35] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: I am trying to help, I know you are frustrated, but don't take out on me
[19:36] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, yea sorry i didnt mean to snap
[19:37] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, on the laptop im currently typing with runs my self compiled gentoo. If someone then asks you if you have verified the hash sum its kinda...
[19:37] <bugzbunny> Errors like that, usually mean that dd was unsuccessful
[19:37] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, no offense
[19:37] <bugzbunny> Say that in the first sentence
[19:37] <BadPractice> :)
[19:37] <bugzbunny> I am not going to assume you know everythign
[19:37] <bugzbunny> Although, I often do that
[19:37] <toshiba_> hello
[19:38] <TJ-> BadPractice: " Unable to find medium containing a live file system" is sometimes caused by the boot device not being found where it was expected, and there are kernel command-line options we may be able to use to get it jump-started
[19:39] <theTOOLMAN> ok so i had to use bluetoothctl to find my device, pair with it, and connect to it
[19:39] <BadPractice> TJ-, yea im currently trying to sqeeze out more intel. Is there any way i can get a dmesg on the initramfs?
[19:39] <theTOOLMAN> the device is showing up in mu pulse control panel in the configuration
[19:40] <TJ-> BadPractice: sure, you've got a busybox shell. Do "dmesg | tail" for example
[19:40] <theTOOLMAN> but i'm not seeing my bluetooth device show up in output devices.
[19:40] <TJ-> theTOOLMAN: does the device advertise HID protocols/services?
[19:41] <theTOOLMAN> headphones
[19:41] <theTOOLMAN> ok i was able to assign it to firefox
[19:41] <theTOOLMAN> sounds like crap though
[19:42] <TJ-> theTOOLMAN: Bluetooth has to share the airwaves with all the 2.4GHz devices too - PC and/or AP close by isn't going to help. Many Wifi chipsets in notebooks/laptops have a BT-co-exist mode to try to reduce it
[19:42] <bugzbunny> Usually, it will occassionaly drop out
[19:42] <bugzbunny> But sound like crap is another ordeal
[19:42] <theTOOLMAN> its jumpy
[19:42] <theTOOLMAN> i'm not near any aps
[19:43] <theTOOLMAN> and the only wifi device is itself
[19:43] <theTOOLMAN> the headphones work fine and sound good on my iphone
[19:43] <paulywog> Alright, different USB drive, using the ubuntu USB tool, let's see what happens
[19:44] <bugzbunny> I have bluetooth here, it's resilient, considering I have about 10 APs in a half a mile radius, that's assuming you have good Antenna
[19:44] <theTOOLMAN> but on ubuntu, it pops and clicks
[19:44] <TJ-> theTOOLMAN: 'jumpy' ? you mean there's drop out ?
[19:44] <theTOOLMAN> not necesarily drops out
[19:44] <theTOOLMAN> just sounds like a record with dirt on it
[19:44] <TJ-> bugzbunny: BT is 10 metre range, and much lower power than WiFi, so it can get swamped if the PC doesn't have a great BT antenna
[19:45] <BadPractice> this computer... what buttons do on boot and if it reads the stick is not even consistent....
[19:45] <DiecastMessiah> turn down the volume help?
[19:45] <BadPractice> stupid acer *#@!
[19:45] <TJ-> theTOOLMAN: hmmm, does it sound the same if you pair your 'phone with the laptop and play through the phone?
[19:45] <theTOOLMAN> i keep trying to set the profile in the volume control to high fidelity playback a2dp sink
[19:45] <toshiba_> ls
[19:45] <TJ-> BadPractice: is this that Acer Swift ?
[19:45] <theTOOLMAN> but it doesn't seem to take
[19:46] <theTOOLMAN> and idk what you mean by pair the laptop to the phone
[19:46] <BadPractice> TJ-, Aspire VX 15
[19:46] <BadPractice> TJ-, this laptop makes me hate humanity even more!
[19:46] <DiecastMessiah> quit
[19:47] <bugzbunny> TJ-: Sounds like buffer underrun
[19:47] <TJ-> BadPractice: does this help? comment near the end (search for VX 15) says "The key step was ste 35 etc. Now it works perfectly" ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/627416/acer-aspire-e15-will-not-dual-boot
[19:47] <bugzbunny> I have the problem here with PulesAudio with wired speakers... So far, no one has a solution, stopping audio and waiting for 3 minutes.. sometimes helps
[19:48] <paulywog> Also here's a question, does linux as a whole always do the thing where it completes a copy to a USB drive instantly (and then writes in the background) or is something weird with my work computer?
[19:48] <theTOOLMAN> how do i get it to take this profile?
[19:48] <paulywog> I understand it has something to do with "sync" not being enabled in the fstab
[19:48] <bugzbunny> No idea, never used Bluetooth with Pulseaudio
[19:49] <bugzbunny> paulywog: Linux has a write cache, sync flushes the cache
[19:49] <bugzbunny> paulywog: You can consume the write cache if you writing a very large single file and force to flush.. but 'sync' should do it
[19:49] <theTOOLMAN> lol in the logs it says refused to switch profile to a2dp_source not connected
[19:50] <TJ-> paulywog: that's the RAM buffering the data and then writing to the device in the background. When you run a command that returns you need to call 'sync' which won't return until all data is on-device
[19:50] <paulywog> Hmm interesting. You'd think the file managers would take that into account and display an accurate progress bar
[19:51] <bugzbunny> It's transparent
[19:51] <TJ-> paulywog: well, usually the GUI tools provide a 'Safely remove' option for the device which does the 'sync'
[19:51] <bugzbunny> You can disable write-cache on the filesystem but unless it's a SSD... You going to sometimes have applications freeze
[19:51] <paulywog> It'd be nice to know roughly when it's going to be done
[19:51] <bugzbunny> Yup
[19:52] <BadPractice> TJ-, thanks i didnt find that. Ill look it through
[19:53] <TJ-> paulywog: you can watch the throughput rate itself (e.g. 80MB/sex) using the "iotop" tool (and others)
[19:54] <TJ-> BadPractice: we see that *a lot* now - it's a non-standard extension to the UEFI standard and it mostly causes problems booting any Linux, even if it installed from removable media.
[19:54] <TJ-> BadPractice: it doesn't sound like the cause of your immediate issue though, of being dropped to the initramfs shell prompt
[19:55]  * bugzbunny goes back to mucking around with PCEM
[19:56] <BadPractice> TJ-, you would not belive this laptop. Nothing is consistent. Sometimes i enter the bios with del sometimes with f2 sometimes the external keyboard works sometimes not. Sometimes i can try to boot from this stick sometimes not
[19:57] <bugzbunny> Third horror about Acer I read on this channel
[19:57] <TJ-> BadPractice: The number of headaches we've been seeing with Acer in particular (and HP) over the last 12 months is getting to the point where we don't want to deal with them... often turn into 8+ hours of support or several days in worst cases
[19:57] <TJ-> BadPractice: A lot of it is when the system uses an "Insyde H2O" firmware
[19:59] <BadPractice> TJ-, yea its a InsydeH20 when i go into the bios (sometimes that actually works) i can see it (rev 5.0 if that is relevant)
[20:00]  * TJ- hides from the Insyde monster
[20:01] <BadPractice> Yes! it lets my boot from the stick again! stars are aligned!
[20:03] <BadPractice> TJ-, problem is that people dont really when buying a laptop. acer just makes them very cheap. As long as the look good in the shelf people buy them
[20:04] <akik> BadPractice: i went to the shop and tested an acer laptop with my boot media :)
[20:05] <BonsaiDad> im have an Acer
[20:05] <TJ-> BadPractice: is it booting as a result of something you changed?
[20:05] <akik> BadPractice: it has a bad uefi implementation so i need to go into its bios and add a allowed uefi boot file there for ubuntu to boot
[20:05] <BadPractice> akik, i would have loved to see the guys face who tried to sell you that sucker
[20:05] <TJ-> BadPractice: I know in some circumstances, a warn-reboot will fail where a cold boot will succeed, or visa-versa
[20:05] <theTOOLMAN> ok i found the solution
[20:05] <theTOOLMAN> https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser/a2dp
[20:06] <theTOOLMAN> for anyone who ever wants a great guide on bluetooth issues
[20:06] <theTOOLMAN> gdm was clobbering the device
[20:06] <BonsaiDad> OwO whats this?
[20:06] <BadPractice> TJ-, ok ill keep that in mind
[20:06] <bugzbunny> The thing is, the people who selling you it, is assuming you will install Windows
[20:06] <TJ-> theTOOLMAN: Very nice find! Thanks for letting us know, that's really subtle and hard to solve
[20:07] <bugzbunny> So, I don't think you take it out them if you having trouble installing Linux
[20:07] <nutzz> I have a virtual machine with centos 6 on a ubuntu 17.04. When I try to ping archive.ubuntu.com I get Network unreacheable https://imgur.com/a/LQOze. However the ping works on my ubuntu machine. What could it be the cause?
[20:07] <nacc> nutzz: 17.04 is eol
[20:07] <nacc> nutzz: just as an fyi
[20:07] <nutzz> I'll update soon
[20:07] <nutzz> but could that be the cause?
[20:07] <theTOOLMAN> nutzz: nslookup archive.ubuntu.com
[20:07] <BadPractice> so i got a lot of usb errors. "device descriptor read/64, error -110" or -71 and so on
[20:08] <theTOOLMAN> find the ip, tcpdump host <ip>
[20:08] <TJ-> nutzz: "Network unreachable" means the VM isn't able to route out through the host
[20:08] <theTOOLMAN> and then in another window ping that ip
[20:08] <theTOOLMAN> and see what your gateway tries to tell you
[20:08] <paulywog> Okay, if I want to be on 18.04 and stay on the LTS branch, is it a better idea to install 16.04 today or 17.10?
[20:08] <paulywog> Or is the best idea to get the 18.04 beta running?
[20:08] <TJ-> BadPractice: those are I/O errors for sure; either the media is corrupt or more likely the firmware hasn't configured the USB controller correctly! Does the PC have more than 1 USB port? if so, try in other ports.
[20:09] <TJ-> paulywog: Personally, with only a little over a month to go, I'd install 18.04 now
[20:09] <BadPractice> TJ-, roger
[20:09] <theTOOLMAN> paulywog: 16.04 has been oput and stable for a while
[20:09] <nacc> paulywog: of your two options originally expressed, 16.04, and you'll get an upgrade option in july or so
[20:10] <theTOOLMAN> personally i wait a year before i upgrade to the newest lts
[20:10] <nacc> paulywog: if you are ok with the potential instability of 18.04 currently, y ou can install it
[20:10] <nutzz> theTOOLMAN: https://imgur.com/a/LAL3g
[20:10] <nacc> paulywog: it completely depends on your usage; you could also install 16.04 now; then reinstall 18.04 in a few months
[20:10] <Simarillion> Hello fellow mIRC'kers and unaffiliates
[20:10] <paulywog> This is a secondary laptop I'll be taking traveling with me soon
[20:10] <BadPractice> TJ-, i think the computer also offers net install... might be a option too
[20:10] <nacc> paulywog: i would think you'd want stability then
[20:11] <paulywog> 18.04 will be out by the time that happens
[20:11] <TJ-> BadPractice: but means you've got to set up a PXE server
[20:11] <theTOOLMAN> nutzz: in one window, ping 91.189.88.149 and in another window tcpdump host 91.189.88.149
[20:11] <theTOOLMAN> if i read that ip right
[20:11] <paulywog> I'm also trying to fit it on a CD because I have CDs here and USB booting is being bad
[20:11] <Simarillion> In a Byte of a 'sticky wicket' here. Began istallation of Ubuntu on SSD..
[20:11] <theTOOLMAN> you might want to add the -X switch
[20:12] <BadPractice> TJ-, ive got a running gentoo here. Is that hard? never done it
[20:12] <theTOOLMAN> and you're looking to see if your gateway respons
[20:12] <Simarillion> To be precise it is pre *installation* (partitioning using Gdisk - which i am more comfortable with)
[20:12] <theTOOLMAN> you said these are vitrual machines, what is your hypervisor?
[20:13] <nutzz> theTOOLMAN: https://imgur.com/a/LAL3g nope, just a virtualbox instance on my ubuntu
[20:14] <theTOOLMAN> ok i see that
[20:14] <Simarillion> I have a UEFI BIOS but set BIOS to CSM to boot the Ubuntu Live USB (previously ran Windows 8.1)
[20:14] <theTOOLMAN> why are you trying to connect to archive.ubuntu from centos?
[20:14] <theTOOLMAN> send a screenshot of your network settings
[20:14] <nutzz> I have to build a Dockerfile which requires ubuntu 16.04
[20:14] <nutzz> from the centos
[20:14] <BadPractice> TJ-, none of this lovely usb ports work on this lovely laptop
[20:15] <TJ-> BadPractice: oh Ace! :P
[20:15] <bugzbunny> Do you have another USB stick?
[20:15] <bugzbunny> How about trying that
[20:15] <TJ-> BadPractice: right, so, is the USb flash storage a USB2 or USB3 device? and are the ports USB2 or 3?
[20:15] <BadPractice> TJ-, give me a sec i cantch some strong alcohol
[20:15] <theTOOLMAN> nutzz: send me a screenshot of the vbox network settings
[20:16] <BadPractice> TJ-, there is 1 usb2 and 2 usb 3 devices. Stick is usb3
[20:16] <energizer> I have 17.10 and i want to install a ppa intended for 16.04. Is this possible? (I know specific ppas arent supported here but i think questions about ppa usage is)
[20:17] <nutzz> theTOOLMAN: man, thanks for help, https://imgur.com/a/t0IAx
[20:17] <nicomachus> energizer: no.
[20:17] <nutzz> theTOOLMAN: if there is a retarded mistake I can recreate the virtual machine
[20:17] <energizer> nicomachus: ok. whats the reason why not?
[20:17] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: Do you have another USB Stick laying around?
[20:17] <Simarillion> I referred to a guide on Ubuntu forums: [SOLVED] HOWTO: Manually partition an SSD drive with a Guid Partition Table (GPT)
[20:18] <TJ-> BadPractice: the reason I asked is we've seen issues where the XHCI (USB3.x) controller gets confused sometimes. For keeping sanity I'd follow bugzbunny's advice to try another (preferrably USB2) device
[20:18] <bugzbunny> Huh
[20:18] <theTOOLMAN> nutzz: whats your ip address inside the vm?
[20:18] <TJ-> Simarillion: is there a reason not to install Ubuntu in UEFI mode?
[20:18] <bugzbunny> TJ-: That exibits itself in read errors?
[20:18] <BadPractice> TJ-,  bugzbunny good idea. Im looking
[20:19] <Simarillion> I used the terminal emulator to proceed and when I was ready to run the ubuntu install i received thses warnings
[20:19] <Simarillion> (typing)
[20:19] <nutzz> theTOOLMAN: https://imgur.com/a/E56yn
[20:19]  * bugzbunny register that into memory
[20:19] <nutzz> 196.168.56.121
[20:19] <BadPractice> TJ-, i just found a sticker on the laptop that claims this laptop made the first place from the "german institute for quality"
[20:19] <TJ-> bugzbunny: yes, because especially for USB ports they're connected to both the USB3 and USB2 controllers and the hub is supposed to switch the port to the correct controller... we see some issues with that which manifest as I/O errors
[20:20] <nicomachus> energizer: because a PPA made for 16.04 doesn't have an install candidate for 17.10. dependencies change.
[20:20] <bugzbunny> TJ-: That can be the case, but some laptops USB ports share one or two controllers
[20:20] <Simarillion> Unable to read last sector 500114904 invalid arguement.
[20:20] <TJ-> BadPractice: Trouble is many of these devices have firmware and other bugs but because they're only designed to run Windows, all the bug fixes are in the Windows drivers so users don't realise the system itself is poor until they try to install/use Linux
[20:20] <bugzbunny> TJ-: What is the solution? Read errors like that, to me, bad USB stick
[20:21] <Simarillion> The 1st partition is GPT
[20:21] <nicomachus> energizer: reach out to maintainer and ask for a 17.10 install candidate, or find an alternative package. Or wait until 18.04 and hope the maintainer publishes a new release candidate
[20:21] <TJ-> bugzbunny: the problem is in the XHCI controller usually - there have been a number of patches recently for Intel controllers to fix this but those won't be in the current set of ISOs/kernels
[20:21] <theTOOLMAN> nutzz: since this is off topic, join me in my irc. irc.teale.us #home
[20:21] <energizer> nicomachus: ok thanks
[20:22] <bugzbunny> TJ-: Patches to fix Hardware bugs?
[20:22] <bugzbunny> So no solution but to wait?
[20:22] <Simarillion> I created a NTFS Bios boot partition
[20:23] <TJ-> bugzbunny: to fix the config of the controllers (workarounds for both hardware errata, and firmware-performed controller config)
[20:23] <TJ-> Simarillion: a BIOS Boot partition has no file-system
[20:23] <BadPractice> TJ-, nope no other sticks available. can i do it with a sd card?
[20:23] <nutzz> theTOOLMAN: 6667?
[20:23] <theTOOLMAN> yes
[20:23] <bugzbunny> That's if the BIOS supports booting froma SD Card
[20:24] <TJ-> BadPractice: sd-card in a USB adapter? Yes. In an MMC slot, possibly not unless the firmware supports booting from that
[20:24] <bugzbunny> TJ-: You have link to the ticket, I like to subscribe to it
[20:24] <Simarillion> The partition is 1MB (+1M)
[20:24] <TJ-> BadPractice: In theory UEFI should since it supports loadable modules for just that kind of situation - it's supposed to be one of the great advantages of EFI over BIOS
[20:25] <TJ-> bugzbunny: I'm going by the posts/patches on the various kernel mailing lists
[20:25] <BadPractice> TJ-, i ment sd card in sd card slot
[20:25] <bugzbunny> I'll look for it
[20:26] <TJ-> BadPractice: I doubt it will. One thing you could check... in that infamous InSyde H2O setup... does it have any options to control the USB mode? I'm wondering if you can limit it to use only USB2 - you could use that during install if it would help avoid I/O errors
[20:26] <nutzz> theTOOLMAN: done
[20:27] <Simarillion> I received the above mentioned
[20:27] <Simarillion> 'Warning' was posted when I ran Gparted to double check the partitions prior to the install
[20:28] <Simarillion> I didn't even have a chance to assign
[20:28] <BadPractice> TJ-, there are 3 boot options USB FDD, USB HDD, USB CDROM
[20:28] <Simarillion> '/boot
[20:28] <TJ-> BadPractice: OK, I'd choose USB HDD
[20:29] <Simarillion> '/' or /home
[20:29] <Simarillion> No swap because is SSD
[20:29] <TJ-> BadPractice: USB CDROM means read the ISO9660 file-system, USB-HDD means it'll start via GRUB boot-manager/loader, USB-FDD is an old floppy-disk emulation for smaller boot images (usually 1.44MB limit)
[20:29] <bugzbunny> Simarillion: If you are not going to dual boot and installing Ubuntu in BIOS mode.. Perhaps it's best you partition the disk to MBR
[20:30] <Simarillion> I know it wears the USB flash but I ran a full format on it and checked USB fs integrity prior to creating bootable USB
[20:31] <BadPractice> TJ-, thats it! i raiding the entire office for boot media now!
[20:31] <Simarillion> No USB flash drive is fine and the corresponding Ubuntu Xenial .iso is in tact and in good order (verified that too)
[20:31] <TJ-> BadPractice: :D
[20:32] <BadPractice> TJ-, first place for quality
[20:32] <pryorda> What is the cli settings utility for ubuntu called?
[20:33] <pryorda> It contains all the settings for the ui, special Values, etc.
[20:33] <pryorda> dconf editor?
[20:34] <ioria> dconf editor it's not cli, it's gui
[20:34] <TJ-> BadPractice: but 'quality' can also mean 'a distinctive attribute' :P
[20:35] <TJ-> BadPractice: I'd sat being a pain to boot/install from is 'distinctive'
[20:35] <Simarillion> The warning elaborates as follows: You may not be able to install other operating systems if you force the uefi boot
[20:35] <bugzbunny> Try installing Ubuntu with no USB stick, no CD/DVD drive
[20:35]  * bugzbunny has done it
[20:35] <bugzbunny> No PXE
[20:36] <BadPractice> TJ-, yea... like a quality joke :)
[20:36] <pryorda> im looing for settings around a specifc app.. it load a blank screen for me but normal for root
[20:36] <BadPractice> TJ-, nothing here... i need options...
[20:37] <ioria> pryorda, and the app is ?
[20:37] <Simarillion> I meant, No..the USB drive tested out fine (no errors or bad sectors)
[20:37] <TJ-> bugzbunny: that's easy - pop the internal storage out, put it on another system, dd > storage, pop back into PC, boot :)
[20:37] <bugzbunny> No other computer
[20:37] <bugzbunny> I was lucky because I had bootable OS
[20:37] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, i have a computer a usb 3.0 stick and a sd card
[20:38] <bugzbunny> When there is a Will, there is a Way
[20:39] <TJ-> BadPractice: it may be belt-and-braces time. Have you generated the checksum of the ISO image **from the USB itself** (not the downloaded ISO file on the other PC) ?
[20:39] <bugzbunny> Wait a minute
[20:39] <bugzbunny> Did you say WIndows 10 boots?
[20:40] <Simarillion> So I should not create a bios boot partition?
[20:40] <BadPractice> TJ-, no, ill do that in a sec but i highly doubt its the stick
[20:41] <BadPractice> TJ-, you know what D2D Rechovery is?
[20:41] <TJ-> BadPractice: I know, but when it gets like this it's always best to be 100% certain
[20:41] <Simarillion> Since I am going to test drive Xubuntu on this particular laptop as a standalone Linux OS.
[20:42] <BadPractice> TJ-, yea i will after the next attempt
[20:42] <BadPractice> TJ-, TPM (TCM) state? you know what that is?
[20:42] <Simarillion> I thought this was an ideal way to partition my SSD..dagnation!
[20:43] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: Is the other computer a Desktop?
[20:43] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: You can try TJ- suggestiion, and dd from that one
[20:44] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: Do you actually have a TPM module?
[20:44] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, i will check the sha265 and i will try to boot on an other machine.
[20:45] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: Trusted Protection Platform IIRC
[20:45] <BadPractice> bugzbunny, yes. Its enabled currently
[20:45] <bugzbunny> It's mostly used to securely store credentials if I am not mistaken.. You can turn it off
[20:45] <bugzbunny> I have TPM support but not the actual module
[20:48] <Simarillion> Why does the BIOS boot partition listed as NTFS (i'm previewing partitions prior to installation via GParted)
[20:50] <Simarillion> You are right TJ-, it should be unknown file system for UEFI
[20:50] <BadPractice> ok, i think our last option is net boot
[20:51] <oerheks> odd, UEFI bios partitions used to be fat32
[20:51] <Simarillion> Hi oerheks.
[20:51] <bugzbunny> Yes
[20:52] <bugzbunny> But he describing something entirely different
[20:52] <Emcy> i have 2 bluetooth devices in my system, ubuntu get very confused with this. I need to disable the one built into my wifi module
[20:52] <bugzbunny> The 1MB boot bios partition for GPT partitiions
[20:52] <bugzbunny> When booting in BIOS mode
[20:52] <bugzbunny> That is not formatted to anything
[20:53] <TJ-> Simarillion: BIOS Boot Partition has the boot-loader code written directly into without a file-system. GRUB puts core image in that for BIOS boot mode (grub-pc)
[20:53] <Emcy> both devices apparently present on the usb bus. So i cant just unload the driver for the intel one because they are both using btusb
[20:53] <TJ-> Emcy: what kind of confusion occurs? they should show up as hci0 and hci1
[20:53] <minimec> Emcy: Maybe you can set an driver option for your Wifi/bluetooth chip in /etc/modprobe.d to disable the bluetooth part...
[20:54] <Emcy> rfkill works temporarily but the index number changes, and also there is a hardware radio switch in the mix which resets it all anyway
[20:54] <Simarillion> This is the reference i used: https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1904972.html
[20:55] <Simarillion> I believe this Lin'uxer reference is very good
[20:56] <Simarillion> Where did i go wrong?
[20:57] <Simarillion> Anyone take a look at the reference link - tell me what you think
[20:57] <Emcy> how can i just outright disable a perticular device in linux
[20:57] <Emcy> surely this can be done
[20:57] <akik> Emcy: you could disable the kernel module from loading
[20:58] <Emcy> no i cant do that because they both use btucb
[20:58] <akik> Emcy: you can do this for example by adding a kernel parameter "modprobe.blacklist=kernel_module"
[21:00] <Simarillion> oerheks, you are a ubuntu mensch..any advice?
[21:00] <Andrewich> Есть русские?
[21:00] <akik> Emcy: i remember from a few years back that you could modify the usb id lists that the kernel modules support
[21:02] <paulywog> Okay, error when booting from a USB drive... MOGSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI db list
[21:03] <paulywog> Then drm_kms_helper is saying flip_done timed out
[21:03] <hfp> Hey, this might be a dumb question but... What is a compositor for? I couldn't find any answer that made sense to me online
[21:03] <paulywog> Wait this might actually be booting
[21:04] <akik> Emcy: this gentoo page talks about "authorized" setting for usb devices in /sys https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Allow_only_known_usb_devices
[21:04] <paulywog> hfp: If you have windows that can go on top of one another, you need a compositor deciding what pixels from what windows should make it to the LCD
[21:05] <hfp> paulywog: I'm confused because I started using i3. It can have overlapping windows, but it doesn't run a compositor out of the box. Whether I run a compositor (I'm trying compton out) or not, it doesn't seem to have issues overlapping windows
[21:06] <Andrewich> Im very bad speak english, anyone can tell from russia? Or understand my bad english? Need help for X11
[21:06] <Simarillion> Okay..i deleted all the partitions on my SSD using Gparted.
[21:06] <lungaro> anyone know where I can get the latest screen on ubuntu precise?
[21:06] <Simarillion> Andrewich, there should be an ubuntu help channel - in the Russian language.
[21:07] <oerheks> !ru | Andrewich .. but you are doing fine
[21:07] <Simarillion> You can look in the channel list or use a different server
[21:07] <paulywog> hfp: Are you sure? I'm not an expert but I believe it's still using one
[21:07] <Andrewich> In russia channel silence'
[21:07] <paulywog> You may just be overriding the default compositor
[21:07] <minimec> lungaro: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS reached its regular End of Life on April 28, 2017... http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/
[21:08] <bugzbunny> hfp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager
[21:08] <Simarillion> Andrewich, we understand.
[21:08] <bugzbunny> hfp: Compositors Window Managers, are typically used to to do fancy Window decorations
[21:08] <BadPractice> TJ-, yes! i found a usb sd card reader
[21:08] <BadPractice> TJ-, seems to be 3.0 but i try it anyway
[21:09] <bugzbunny> hfp: Window wobble, snow effect, etc
[21:09] <bugzbunny> hfp: compton has minmal Window Effects but I hears it's mostly used to reduce screen tear
[21:11] <Andrewich> how I can know what desktop manager im use? its not unity
[21:11] <kostkon> Andrewich, echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[21:12] <Simarillion> The problem is not the procedure provided at: https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1904972.html - the +1M (1 mB) boot partition is written in ntfs due to the fact that FAT32 requires at least 32 mB.
[21:12] <Andrewich> gnome
[21:12] <Andrewich> how i can know whats im can use?
[21:12] <BadPractice> guys does not matter if we succed, you were very helpful and i thank you for all the advice
[21:13] <bugzbunny> Andrewich: You can using anything, irrespective to what desktop you using, just lauch Ubuntu Software, search for the app you want and install
[21:13] <Simarillion> I figured out what is wrong...i'm running out of coffee, cigarettes and aspirin.
[21:14] <bugzbunny> Andrewich: Only issue, Gnome is GTK, and some QT apps might not adapt GTK theme correctly
[21:14] <Andrewich> bugsbunny - I mean what install?
[21:14] <Simarillion> I entered the size of the partition in bad increment.
[21:14] <bugzbunny> Andrewich: Anything
[21:14] <Andrewich> oh im not understand :(
[21:14] <akik> Andrewich: ls /usr/share/xsessions
[21:15] <Simarillion> I love this channel!!
[21:15] <Andrewich> And?
[21:15] <Simarillion> It has integrity, and..patience.
[21:16] <bugzbunny> Andrewich: WHat you have installed?
[21:16] <akik> Andrewich: that'll list the different desktop environments you have installed
[21:16] <Simarillion> My apologies for submitting my 'bumbles' and not figuring out for myself.
[21:16] <Andrewich> i have unity
[21:16] <Andrewich> but his not on list
[21:16] <hfp> bugzbunny: good to know, thank you
[21:17] <Simarillion> I will keep you near me on-screen on this machine for comfort.
[21:17] <Emcy> if i blacklist a module under blacklist.conf in modprobe.d, why does it still show up if i do lsmod?
[21:17] <Simarillion> Whilst i go back to the proverial 'ubuntu drawingboard' and try it again.
[21:18] <minimec> Emcy: Can you give us the output for that device from 'lspci'?
[21:19] <BadPractice> TJ-, you have any intel on net boot?
[21:21] <Andrewich> Oh why Im bad study in school...
[21:21] <Andrewich> Now Im bad know English
[21:22] <Emcy> its a usb device
[21:22] <Emcy> it shows up under lsusb
[21:22] <Emcy> is there any way i can cut power to a specific usb device
[21:23] <BadPractice> can you still read me?
[21:23] <akik> Emcy: did you see my "authorized" comment?
[21:23] <minimec> Emcy: I am talking about the wifi/bluetooth combo device...
[21:23] <bugzbunny> BadPractice: TJ- is prolly afk
[21:23] <TJ-> BadPractice: if you adapt these instructions for Xenal (16.04) rather than Trusty (14.04) it should allow a UEFI PXE boot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/PXE-netboot-install
[21:23] <Simarillion> We read you loud and clear, BadPractice.
[21:24] <minimec> Emcy: Anyway. If it's USB give me the 'ID' number XXXX:XXXX
[21:24] <TJ-> BadPractice: but I seem to recall your other Linux PC isn't running Ubuntu, so you'd have to adapt where the server requires packages installing (dnsmasq)
[21:26] <sdsd> hi
[21:26] <Emcy> 8087:07dc
[21:26] <sdsd> anybody here?
[21:26] <Cyber_Akuma> Is it possible to install Ubuntu without requiring any sort of login password?
[21:27] <kenrin> You can set it to autologin but you'll need a password
[21:29] <BadPractice> TJ-, https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/PXE
[21:29] <leftyfb> Cyber_Akuma: why do you need this?
[21:30] <Cyber_Akuma> I want to install it on a flashdrive that I use occtionally for any type of recovery needs, and I always forget what password I set
[21:31] <Cyber_Akuma> I don't need a password since it's something I boot off a removable drive for recovery
[21:32] <BadPractice> TJ-, sucess. It worked with the usb/sd card adapter i stole from my colleges tesk
[21:32] <Emcy> minimec ?
[21:32] <leftyfb> Cyber_Akuma: just pick ubuntu/ubuntu
[21:32] <TJ-> BadPractice: at last!
[21:32] <BadPractice> TJ-, and i also found skin lotion there!
[21:32] <Cyber_Akuma> I promise you I would forget that too
[21:32] <kenrin> Just set up sudo to not use a password and setup autologin
[21:32] <kenrin> That way you won't ever need the password
[21:33] <minimec> Emcy: I am here. As I was not finding anything about a 'btucb' driver I wanted some further info about that device. Is that an Asus machine?
[21:33] <TJ-> minimec: I suspect btucb => btusb  ? Bluetooth USB driver ?
[21:33] <Emcy> btusb
[21:34] <minimec> Tj- Yeah... ;)
[21:34] <pos> deb testing are pushing new spectre/meltdown microcode
[21:34] <Emcy> its a intel 7260 wifi/BT combo card
[21:34] <minimec> Emcy: Maybe try to blacklist 'btintel' once...
[21:35] <Emcy> i did that it didnt work
[21:35] <Emcy> the driver for the device is listed as btusb
[21:36] <Simarillion> Be back when coffee is ready.
[21:36] <TJ-> minimec: Emcy the way to do it is to add a udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ that prevents the hciX device being created by the udev rules under /lib/udev/rules.d/ --- you need to search that last directory to find the rule that creates the hci device and then over-ride it in a  /etc/udev/rules.d/  rule
[21:37] <Simarillion> Thank you everyone for feedback.
[21:37] <Simarillion> B
[21:37] <TJ-> Emcy: you can have the udev rule match on the BT host controller's MAC address
[21:37] <Simarillion> 'back. B'bye 4 now.
[21:37] <bugzbunny> Was going to suggest uDev rule, but finding out why it's not working would be better
[21:38] <minimec> TJ-: Emcy: That would indeed be a different approach.
[21:39] <TJ-> minimec Emcy agree with bugzbunny - I suggested that earlier but missed the follow-up as to what exactly is getting confused
[21:45] <Emcy> its working an ubuntu cant handle 2 BT adapters
[21:45] <Emcy> the gui cant anyway
[21:45] <minimec> TJ-: bugzbunny: Emcy: That's why I suggested some driver options in /etc/modrpobe.d. Now with that lsusb ID you gave me I get a lot of info about the device using the 'iwlwifi' driver. And there is a option 'options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0' as example...
[21:45] <Emcy> i want to make it not working
[21:46] <Emcy> you can get the iwlwifi driver to disable the bluetooth part?
[21:47] <TJ-> Emcy: Can I suggest you install "blueman" - that can manage multipl HCIs without a problem
[21:47] <TJ-> Emcy: no, you cannot.
[21:47] <BadPractice> TJ-, are you still with me? Ubuntu installed but when i reboot it goes straight for windows
[21:47] <TJ-> Emcy: on the Intel WiFi/BT devices, WiFi is on PCI, Bluetooth is on USB
[21:47] <Emcy> yes that was my understanding
[21:48] <TJ-> BadPractice: that's expected... remember that 'step 35' in the Ubuntu answers? go do it now
[21:48] <TJ-> BadPractice: it's not Windows so you have to specifically tell the firmware you 'trust' the boot-loader file itself!
[21:49] <Emcy> ah what is the package name for the gui file manager in unity
[21:49] <Emcy> so i can launch it with sudo
[21:49] <BadPractice> TJ-, uhm do you still have that open? im sloppy sorry
[21:50] <BadPractice> TJ-, oh never mind i got it
[21:50] <TJ-> BadPractice: https://askubuntu.com/questions/627416/acer-aspire-e15-will-not-dual-boot
[21:50] <tetrax> hi guys
[21:50] <Bashing-om> Emcy: Do not launch a GUI app with sudo .. undesired side effects . The file manager is nautilus .
[21:51] <tetrax> hi Onepamopa
[21:51] <minimec> Emcy: TJ- seems to have more knowledge on these Intel combo devices. And yet I would probably play around with these available options for 'iwlwifi'
[21:52] <wagle> is there an ubuntu app for managing users and groups that isnt so dirt simple that it can't actually DO anything?
[21:53] <Emcy> minimec can you link the iwlwifi options
[21:53] <TJ-> minimec: the iwlwifi options will not control the bluetooth side; the only option is to tell wifi to co-exist nicely with bluetooth radios, that means leave silences for the BT devices
[21:59] <minimec> TJ-: Emcy: Ok. I see.
[21:59] <coolchris> hello when i use lspci it shows ati mobiltiy 2600 hd xt for my gaphics card and i would like to instrall drivers so i can install stream it is  a very old card and i can't find info on how to install it can anyone help?
[22:00] <TJ-> coolchris: try "lspci -nnk" it'll show both the [vendor:device] ID on the right side of the 1st line, and the candidate kernel modules if nay
[22:01] <coolchris> ok thank you i will try now
[22:02] <minimec> Emcy: Some options are here... https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi
[22:02] <TJ-> coolchris: you might also try "ubuntu-drivers list" and even "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall"
[22:03] <Emcy> i tend to agree with tj though, the devices are on 2 different busses they jsut share the same pcb and socket
[22:04] <BadPractice> TJ-, worked! Thank you so much
[22:04] <TJ-> BadPractice: Yay, we beat Insyde into submission :)
[22:05] <BadPractice> TJ-, yea. unfortunaly the channel rules prevent me from expressing my feelings about Insyde
[22:06] <Wolf_Y> Hi, is anyone ? I have some noob-ish questions once again !
[22:06] <coolchris> ok i tried lspci -nnk and it didn't show the card
[22:07] <leftyfb> !ask | Wolf_Y
[22:07] <coolchris> some other lspci a while back showed the card
[22:07] <TJ-> coolchris: no VGA device shown at all!? can you show us "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk )"
[22:08] <BadPractice> TJ-, honestly i dont dislike uefi. I am a fan of the idea having the boot sector somewhere where its save fro evil maid attacks. What i dont like are the actual implementations of it
[22:08] <coolchris> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hKSNv6Fbss/
[22:08] <TJ-> BadPractice: I agree 100%; apart from UEFI being too large an attack surface, it's an OS in it's own right and continues running after the main OS starts, too
[22:09] <coolchris> looks like it worked that time not sure what to do now
[22:09] <TJ-> coolchris: line 59... and it shows the 'radeon' driver is in use
[22:10] <Wolf_Y> leftyfb: Hey once again leftyfb, i installed a fresh Ubuntu server 17.10, updates and all, once again using the hyper-v manager....i bridged my two adapters the hyper-v and windows one and made my ubuntu server ip static.....i can ping google and my router so it seemed that everything is working like a charm....but once i installed samba and configured a couple of folders so i can access them using my pc i can share some smaller files
[22:10] <coolchris> ok steam does that provide 3d graphics and stuff
[22:10] <Wolf_Y> leftyfb:  but when i try to share a movie for example the connection breaks i think and i cant transfer it to my ubuntu server folder
[22:11] <TJ-> coolchris: so try "ubuntu-drivers list" see if there are other known drivers to suit
[22:11] <coolchris> steam complains about unble to laod driver r600 or something ok i will try that
[22:11] <sere> question: is there a lightwight dlna server that can handle alot of files minidlna cant do it
[22:11] <Wolf_Y> leftyfb: do you have any idea what should i do now, btw when im using a non bridged connection and a dhcp ip i can share all my files
[22:12] <Wolf_Y> !ask
[22:12] <coolchris> ok ubuntu-drivers list showed nothing
[22:13] <TJ-> coolchris: I guess there may be/have been in the past, some other AMD/ATI proprietary drivers
[22:14] <coolchris> is it worth botheirng with or should i just play games downstairs on my windows machine i don't want to  mess the computer up just got it working everything else works fine
[22:14] <enrico_> Hallo wo kann ich einen Software Bug in der Ubuntuusers Software melden? Habe das zwar schon einen Moderator geschrieben. Ob es Sinn macht das in ein Unterforum zu schreiben? Ich kann nähmlich ein Thema sehen was die Moderatoren erstellt haben aber nicht auf die SEite zugreifen.Da steht keine Berechtigung oder so. Ist das Problem bei der Ynoha Software bekannt?
[22:14] <BadPractice> Again, thank you all for your superior support! I wish you all a good night and sweet dreams (although im gonna have nightmares aoubt this inyde uefi/bios)
[22:14] <Jordan_U> !de | enrico_
[22:15] <TJ-> BadPractice: G'night
[22:15] <Wolf_Y> good night
[22:15] <Wolf_Y> if anyone have an idea on how to solve the ip/samba issues.....i would like to hear them
[22:16] <enrico_> DAnke mache ich. Ja schade wenn man kaum Englische Sprache kann. Verstehe diese zwar ganz gut nur schreiben .
[22:20] <pavlos> Wolf_Y: how do you share a movie? did you make a share in smb.conf ?
[22:21] <Wolf_Y> pavlos: yea, i also chmod 777 all my shared folders
[22:22] <pavlos> Wolf_Y: your smb.conf should have [movies] path = /somewhere guest ok = yes
[22:22] <Wolf_Y> pavlos: i can see them, i can access them, i can put small files in them, but can not put large ones and plex also cant see them
[22:22] <pavlos> Wolf_Y: writeable = no
[22:22] <pavlos> Wolf_Y: so it is a network issue
[22:23] <Wolf_Y> pavlos:  yea i think, as when i use dhcp to get my ip and do not bridge connection with my pc adapter
[22:23] <Wolf_Y> i can share theh files easily
[22:23] <Wolf_Y> and pelx sees them
[22:23] <compdoc> does anyone know how snaps works?
[22:23] <Wolf_Y> idk what i am doing wrong now, because i can ping my router and google
[22:24] <Wolf_Y> only samba is making me a problem, what do you think
[22:24] <bugzbunny> yea i think, as when i use dhcp to get my ip and do not bridge connection with my pc adapter <-- Confuses me
[22:24] <bugzbunny> Where is Plex located? On the same machine?
[22:25] <pavlos> Wolf_Y: you can try to rsync between plex and your host with --progress to get an idea of the throughput
[22:25] <bugzbunny> In VM settings, on Hyper-V, you switch from Bridge to Nat?
[22:25] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny: plex is installed on the Ubuntu server, so yea the same machine
[22:25] <pavlos> Wolf_Y: is your network 100Mbps?
[22:25] <Wolf_Y> my network is 50mbps
[22:25] <bugzbunny> Okay
[22:25] <Wolf_Y> and im not sure what nat is
[22:25] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: The actual card, not the Interwebs
[22:25] <pavlos> network address translation
[22:26] <Wolf_Y> yea its 100mbps
[22:26] <pavlos> I came in late, can you explain your setup?
[22:26] <Wolf_Y> alright, so here it goes
[22:26] <Wolf_Y> i installed a fresh ubuntu server on hyper-v manager
[22:27] <Wolf_Y> 17.10.1 and then if i check ifconfig -a i can see my ip is something like 172.x.x.x
[22:27] <Wolf_Y> then i go to the netplan and made it static
[22:27] <Wolf_Y> samba work, plex works everything is fine, but when i boot up plex on my tv it cant reach the server
[22:28] <Wolf_Y> so i made a bridge connection to my hyper-v adapter
[22:28] <Wolf_Y> and now my ip was somethin like 192.x.x.x
[22:28] <Wolf_Y> same as host pc
[22:28] <Wolf_Y> so i go to the netplan and made it static once again
[22:28] <Wolf_Y> ping google,ping host everything works amazing
[22:28] <Wolf_Y> plex on tv can locate the server
[22:29] <Wolf_Y> but plex can not see the samba folders
[22:29] <Wolf_Y> and also i can not put anything inside them
[22:29] <Wolf_Y> i can see them and open them
[22:29] <Wolf_Y> but when i try to send something i get an error
[22:30] <Wolf_Y> do you get it guys, is everything clear
[22:30] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: sounds like a MAC issue if you've got a bridge involved
[22:31] <bugzbunny> Hyper-V should auto asign a random MAC address to the guest Adapter
[22:32] <TJ-> right, but there's a bridge involved, so what MAC address is getting advertised on the physical network?
[22:33] <Wolf_Y> TJ-:  also i enabled mac-spoofing on hyper-v does that mean anything
[22:33] <Wolf_Y> and how can i check what mac addr is beeing advertised on the phys network
[22:35] <pavlos> the network of the host running hyper-v is 172.* ? ubuntu-server should be in the same net if adapter is bridged
[22:36] <bugzbunny> His physical network is 198.x.x.x
[22:36] <bugzbunny> 172.x.x.x was from NAT network
[22:36] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: is the TV trying to access samba share with an IP address or a hostname?
[22:36] <Wolf_Y> pavlos:  no the host ip is 192, the non host (hyper v) when not bridged is 172, when bridge same as host 192
[22:37] <Wolf_Y> im trying to add the samba folders for plex to see them using their location /home/user/folder, tv when the connection is bridged can see the plex but the plex can not see the content of the folders
[22:38] <coolchris> i found out the problem i googled the error message instead of searching for driver drivers were fine had to rm 2 files to make it work
[22:38] <Wolf_Y> im sorry if im confusing you, im trying my best to explain but eng is not my native, is there a way in which i can show you my setup
[22:39] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: Your English is fantastic; I assumed you were English
[22:40] <Wolf_Y> TJ-:  and its using the ip to access the plex, ohh cool, im Serbian actually, if there is a way to connect in some other way etc. skype it would be awesome
[22:41] <Wolf_Y> i can try and explain in-depth the process i took if needed.....why do you guys think the issues is
[22:42] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: Is the effect you're trying to achieve that the TV thinks the plex in the VM is actually running on the host itself ?
[22:43] <Wolf_Y> TJ-:  no, my only goal is that plex can see the folder, that i can share files using samba to the ubuntu, and that my tv can see the plex
[22:44] <akik> Wolf_Y: did you try accessing your samba server with smbclient? that way you could verify the permissions too
[22:45] <bugzbunny> I am kinda getting the picture, but if Plex is running inside the Ubuntu server
[22:45] <pavlos> seems he is able to R/W small files but when streaming a movie it croaks
[22:45] <bugzbunny> Why are you using samba shares with Plex?
[22:45] <bugzbunny> Why not point Plex to the folder
[22:46] <Wolf_Y> im using samba so that my host can access the folders in ubuntu, so that i can send files from the host to that folder
[22:46] <bugzbunny> That part I understand
[22:46] <bugzbunny> In Plex settings, you are point it also to a Samba share?
[22:46] <Wolf_Y> i did not try using smbclient, not sure how it works, but i uses chmod 777 so i think the perms are all right
[22:46] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: so Plex is on PC A, Hyper-V and the VM with samba is on PC B, and there's the TV ?
[22:47] <Wolf_Y> no there is a PC a, hyper-v with ubuntu server and plex is also on pc A
[22:47] <bugzbunny> TJ-: From I understand, Plex and Ubuntu, and Samba, all running under Hyper-V
[22:47] <Wolf_Y> and there is tv
[22:47] <Wolf_Y> yea bugzbunny
[22:47] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: ahhh... is Plex in another VM on PC A ?
[22:47] <bugzbunny> No
[22:47] <bugzbunny> Same VM
[22:47] <bugzbunny> The Ubuntu Server 17.10.1
[22:48] <Wolf_Y> in plex i point it to the folder in ubuntu bugzbunny  /home/user/name
[22:48] <Wolf_Y> and yes same vm
[22:48] <bugzbunny> He is using Samba to push files to VM, so Plex can use, to stream to his TV
[22:49] <TJ-> I'm confused. Samba is a server, it doesn't 'push'
[22:49] <Wolf_Y> yes bugzbunny that is the whole idea
[22:50] <bugzbunny> TJ-: He using Samba as file-server to transfer files to the Ubuntu Server that is also running plex
[22:50] <Wolf_Y> but for some reason in my current bridged network setup the 'pushing part' is not working as it should be
[22:50] <bugzbunny> Got it?
[22:50] <bugzbunny> Cause I got it
[22:50] <Wolf_Y> exaclty bugzbunny
[22:50] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: so, you can copy small files (what is small?) to the samba server but not large files (how large?)
[22:50] <bugzbunny> In your Plex settings, for media sources, you using Samba as a backend?
[22:51] <Wolf_Y> TJ-:  lets say i can not transfer anything
[22:51] <Wolf_Y> in my current bridger network setup, only i can see the folders
[22:51] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: well let's be 100% accurate; detail is important!
[22:51] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  for media source in plex i use the ubuntu location of the folder with the media
[22:51] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: by "only I can see" what do you mean? which OS? Windows on PC A, Ubuntu in the VM?
[22:52] <bugzbunny> Okay
[22:52] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  /home/userfolder
[22:52] <Wolf_Y> TJ-:  in windows, host machine
[22:52] <Wolf_Y> but not in plex
[22:53] <Wolf_Y> i can for example transfer subtitles for movies to the samba share, but the movie i cant
[22:53] <Wolf_Y> that is what i mean by small and large
[22:53] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: When you visit the Plex Web-UI, you are not setting the videos?
[22:53] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: OK, well that is important detail.
[22:54] <bugzbunny> Is both Samba and You Plex Settings pointing to the right folder?
[22:54] <Wolf_Y> yes they are
[22:54] <pavlos> so 10MB subtitle is small but 4GB movie is large
[22:54] <Wolf_Y> and in plex i can point to the folder but the folders shows empty
[22:55] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: is hyper-v imposing a firewall of any kind? does the Ubuntu VM have any netfilter (iptables/ufw) rules
[22:55] <bugzbunny> Alright, then the problem might be in Plex
[22:55] <Wolf_Y> but when i just unbridge the connection and get back to the 172.x.x.x DHCP ip on ubuntu, plex can see the files inside the folders but tv, samba 'push' works but the tv can not see the plex
[22:56] <Wolf_Y> and yes i added the ufw 32400(plex default port) to my ubuntu server
[22:56] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny: how so, what do you think might be in the plex, i think that i am doing something wrong with the net config....
[22:57] <Wolf_Y> is my seccond router (2xrouters in my home network) an issue maybe ?
[22:57] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: you'll need  the various samba ports allowing too - check the Ubuntu /var/log/kern.log (or "dmesg") for firewall DENY/DROP messages
[22:58] <Wolf_Y> can i share my dmesg here maybe so we can all have a look at it, would  that help
[22:58] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: sure "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[22:58] <pavlos> use pastebin
[22:59] <Wolf_Y> alright
[22:59] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: are the movies larger than 4GiB each? is the Ubuntu file-system formatted with large-file support?
[22:59] <Wolf_Y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FZtz3NPpn9/
[23:00] <Wolf_Y> TJ-:  i think that the format is not a problem as i can copy and paste them when im using the non-bridged setup (172.x.x.x ip on Ubuntu)
[23:00] <Wolf_Y> also that is the whole dmsg
[23:00] <Wolf_Y> dmesg*
[23:00] <bugzbunny> IMHO, if you creating your libraries as describe here https://support.plex.tv/articles/200288926-creating-libraries/, it seems dubios to me, that changing from Bridge to NAT would play any significant part seeing files. Another suspect, is perhaps the Web-UI is using API running on a different port
[23:01] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: "hv_balloon: Balloon request will be partially fulfilled. Balloon floor reached" is suspicious; how much RAM does the host PC have, and how much is assigned to the VM?
[23:01] <Wolf_Y> the host has 8gb, the vm can use 4gb
[23:01] <Wolf_Y> dinamically alocated
[23:03] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny: yea, i am adding folder like that....ill try and look for other ports that maybe need to be oppened but what do you think about the samba 'Push' issues
[23:03] <Wolf_Y> what could cause that
[23:04] <bugzbunny> If Plex is running inside a lan, I might as well just disable ufw
[23:04] <bugzbunny> Instead of searching for Ports you might need to open
[23:04] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  ill do that right now, as i will be using it only LAN
[23:05] <pavlos> iirc, PC A runs Plex and a hyper-V ubuntu guest
[23:06] <pavlos> movies are in guest and he wants to pass them to plex -> TV
[23:06] <Wolf_Y> alright ufw disabled, doing a quick reboot
[23:06] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: Could this be related? https://superuser.com/questions/869500/cant-save-large-files-to-nas-but-can-save-small-ones
[23:06] <Wolf_Y> pavlos:  movies are located in the host machine, im trying to push them to the ubuntu server so that the plex can see them and with plex my tv
[23:07] <Wolf_Y> TJ-:  i think not, as i dont have any permission issues...ill take a look anyway
[23:07] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: you know instead of copying the files over you could mount the host's share in the Ubuntu server
[23:08] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: add an entry to /etc/fstab so it mounts //host/share /home/userfolder
[23:08] <Wolf_Y> TJ-: did not try that...let that be my backup plan, as i would like to solve this.....
[23:08] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: this way you don't need to duplicate the storage required
[23:08] <pavlos> if movies are in host, make that dir shared to your net and ubuntu can pick up that share mount -t cifs //host\movies /here -o credentials
[23:08] <Wolf_Y> TJ-: i thought that once i push to server i delete from host
[23:09] <Wolf_Y> not duplicating in that way
[23:09] <Wolf_Y> or dir download to server later on
[23:09] <Wolf_Y> pavlos:  i made a share from ubuntu to host using samba
[23:09] <Wolf_Y> pavlos:  but samba is acting strange
[23:10] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: You should always have a BACKUP somewhere
[23:10] <pavlos> I assume WORKGROUP is the same
[23:10] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: Or risks losing it
[23:10] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny: i see...
[23:11] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  i disabled the ufw but the samba still cant 'push', i just unbridged and it can push fine....
[23:12] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: So people can understand, using 'transfer' instead of 'push'
[23:12] <Wolf_Y> alright bugzbunny
[23:12] <Wolf_Y> any further ideas guys ?
[23:13] <bugzbunny> When you say you can't transfer, what is the error, I would try what TJ- and pavlos suggestions
[23:14] <bugzbunny> I think they good ideas, although I would worry about latency and such
[23:18] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  the error https://ibb.co/hVCgCx
[23:20] <pavlos> can you share the D: drive on host (movies) to everyone in the network?
[23:21] <TJ-> Wolf_Y: you may have seen this, but is this how you've got Hyper-V and the host configured? https://smudj.wordpress.com/2015/05/14/windows-10-hyper-v-setting-up-networking-shared-and-bridged-options/
[23:22] <Wolf_Y> TJ-:  yes
[23:22] <Wolf_Y> that is correct
[23:23] <bugzbunny> That's why I avoid Samba where I can, so painful
[23:23] <Wolf_Y> what do you use instead of it bugzbunny
[23:23] <Wolf_Y> and what do you think now when you have seen my troubles
[23:24] <bugzbunny> I would do it the other way around, you might have more success
[23:24] <akik> bugzbunny: samba client -> samba server is pretty simple
[23:25] <bugzbunny> When I run a VM in Windows to access my Linux partition, it's always a pain to setup Samba
[23:26] <Wolf_Y> hmmm
[23:26] <Wolf_Y> its really that i would love to solve this
[23:27] <bugzbunny> Mount you Windows share inside Ubuntu, there is more success the otherway around
[23:27] <Wolf_Y> before trying any other alternatives, if you guys are up for talk then i can visually share my set-up and problem
[23:27] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  will try that for sure
[23:27] <bugzbunny> I have a CIFS mount to Windows Server 2012 under QEMU, the folder setup as a Cloud folder
[23:27] <bugzbunny> Only time I've been unsuccessful is when Windows 2012 requires a reboot
[23:28] <Wolf_Y> and it is working fine i guess
[23:28] <aljoni> I'm trying to work out how to remote desktop into Ubuntu '16.04.4'.  No matter what I try I always get a grey (black and white checkerboard) but no desktop.  I've tried: xRDP, tigervnc + xRDP, vnc, tightvncserver, and xdmcp.
[23:29] <j4k3> hello
[23:29] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: FTP is simple alternative, in most cases, it's straight forward
[23:29] <pavlos> aljoni: I think you need a different DE for remote access
[23:29] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: If what you really want is to transfer from HOST to Guest
[23:29] <j4k3> can anyone see my entries?
[23:29] <aljoni> pavlos: I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, I was told I have to use Ubuntu 16.04.4 and it's defaults.
[23:30] <j4k3> hey jane
[23:30] <DiecastMessiah> j4k3:  yes
[23:30] <pavlos> aljoni: I think another DE is xfce you can try
[23:30] <jane_booty_doe> hi
[23:30] <j4k3> thanks DiecastMessiah
[23:30] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny: oh yes the FTP i can for sure try that right now, but the issues of plex seeing the folder reamains
[23:30] <aljoni> pavlos: I would, but I was told I have to use what's there.  I'm not allowed to put another DE on.
[23:31] <j4k3> SLAYER LYRIC "THE DIE IS CAST FOR THE WEAK INHERIT ENDLESS DEAD TIME!"
[23:31] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: That one, try re-install plex, and re-adding folders
[23:31] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  its my 5th vm :) already
[23:31] <Wolf_Y> but will do...
[23:32] <j4k3> oh vm's are hell sometimes
[23:32] <Wolf_Y> oh j4k3  yes  they are hell
[23:32] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: Not re-create the VM, I mean, how did you install Plex?
[23:32] <Wolf_Y> wget link
[23:33] <Wolf_Y> then dpkg
[23:33] <pavlos> aljoni: are you accessing ubuntu from a win host?
[23:33] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: apt purge plex, and dpkg again
[23:33] <aljoni> pavlos: At the moment I'm trying, but I have options to test Mac and Linux too.
[23:33] <Wolf_Y> ohh, just a reinstall
[23:33] <Wolf_Y> alright
[23:34] <pavlos> aljoni: on a win host you can install vncviewer ... on ubuntu you can install vnc server but ... you have to drop some setting with dconf
[23:34] <aljoni> pavlos: Which setting?
[23:35] <pavlos> aljoni: Im looking ....
[23:37] <pavlos> aljoni: disable encryption see item 3) in http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/07/remote-access-ubuntu-16-04/
[23:39] <aljoni> pavlos: I'm not sure disabling encryption is what I would like to do.  I've not had any issues connecting to a VNC server running on the machine, I'm just not getting a desktop after connecting (just a black and white checkerboard screen).
[23:41] <pavlos> aljoni: I am able to vnc to (kubuntu, lubuntu, ubuntu-mate) but not plain ubuntu. there is some issue with the DE hence they recommend xfce
[23:42] <aljoni> pavlos: I understand that completely. :(. I've got the issue however that I was explicitly told I had to set this machine up with "pure" ubuntu, with remote access to a desktop.
[23:43] <aljoni> If I could use a different DE I'd have no issue.
[23:43] <pavlos> aljoni: do you have to use vnc? other tools can view ubuntu (noMachine). That implies installing noMachine on both host and remote.
[23:44] <pavlos> aljoni: noMachine talks on port 4000
[23:44] <bugzbunny> Does anyone know an easier way to rate songs on Rythmbox?
[23:44] <bugzbunny> Instead of Right Click -> Properties -> Detials?
[23:45] <aljoni> pavlos: Do the connections go though anyone else's servers?
[23:45] <pavlos> aljoni: no, it talk on 4000 to the local subnet eg. 192.168.1.*
[23:45] <aljoni> pavlos: I'll keep it as an idea.  VNC would be preferable however.
[23:46] <aljoni> pavlos: Or remote X11.
[23:46] <pavlos> aljoni: other tool x2go
[23:46] <aljoni> pavlos: I'll have a look.
[23:46] <pavlos> aljoni: ok
[23:47] <pavlos> aljoni: https://askubuntu.com/questions/800302/vncserver-grey-screen-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[23:50] <aljoni> pavlos: I'm going to explore x2go as an option.
[23:50] <MiniMaxx> #list
[23:51] <pavlos> aljoni: I use nomachine to access all sorts of systems
[23:51] <akik> aljoni: just a warning that x2go doesn't work with gnome 3/unity
[23:51] <aljoni> pavlos: nomachine works with unity?
[23:52] <pavlos> aljoni: yes, there is a free version d/l the .deb file and dpkg -i file
[23:52] <akik> aljoni: gnome 3/unity on the server, that is
[23:53] <aljoni> Taking a look at nomachine now.
[23:55] <aljoni> All that I worry about is if, since it looks proprietary, it stops being updated and stops working in the future.
[23:56] <pavlos> aljoni: when nomachine has an update, it pops a window and d/l the update, installs, and is running again.
[23:56] <kenrin> It has been around for 16 years
[23:57] <aljoni> Can you have multiple people connected at once?
[23:57] <akik> aljoni: x2go is based on the gpl licensed v3 version of nomachine nx libs
[23:57] <bugzbunny> There is open source version, limited, not sure if there is any development activity
[23:58] <akik> bugzbunny: if you mean x2go, it's actively developed
[23:58] <pavlos> aljoni: yes, I just connected to one system from 2 diff clients
[23:58] <aljoni> Different desktops, or both seeing the same.