[00:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [00:00] pragmaticenigma, yes! [00:00] like mine currently says " happy_hacker was herez " [00:01] warty warthog [00:01] mine says "pragmaticenigma was therez" [00:02] slackjeff: /etc/lsb-release [00:03] first release was 699 weeks and 1 day ago [00:03] happy_hacker, i not use ubuntu [00:03] please not that in your app [00:03] c/not/note [00:03] shpx, that video tells you... he can only stream the resolution of his desktop as it's mirroring the display [00:03] let's simplify [00:03] I need to know which id is inside the os-release or lsb-release! [00:04] slackjeff: I already gave you a pastebin [00:04] sure it must be possible to have some kind of virtual display on linux. [00:04] surely* [00:04] TJ-, ok! [00:04] ty! [00:04] man [00:04] slackjeff: what you use? [00:04] for my program [00:05] shpx, we cannot support this, however some simple google foo rendered this article.. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=680514371 ... have fun [00:05] slackjeff: what is your program? [00:06] happy_hacker, [00:06] install interfaces according to what the user needs ... (xfce, lxde, gnome, cinammon) etc ... [00:06] And of course according to the distribution. [00:06] slackjeff: what you distribution? [00:06] but that would just be ubuntu, you need: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP [00:06] slackjeff, Ubuntu already does that by itself... it doesn't require an extra program [00:07] shpx: depends waht you mean virtual display exactly [00:07] but it's an extra for the distributions. [00:07] all distribuitions... [00:07] ;) [00:07] shpx: literally, virtual X-"DISPLAY" is the x11vncserver [00:08] slackjeff, nearly all distributions have that built into their package managers.. with exceptions like slackware and it's derivatives [00:08] slackjeff, for ubuntu, calling apt install gnome-desktop installs the gnome desktop and all of its dependencies and specific programs for gnome [00:09] slackjeff, same goes for CentOS, Fedora, OpenSuSE, RedHat, Debian, Gentoo [00:10] guess they didn't like that answer [00:12] howdy tex [00:38] what is topic [00:39] mrasplund, ubuntu support is the topic. if you have a ubuntu question/problem, ask it (in one line) and if someone knows the answers, they'll reply (please be patient waiting for a reply) [00:40] 7 [00:44] Is there an all in one application that can take the home directory, and create an encrypted back up of it and save it to an external drive? [00:46] pragmaticenigma: generally the user would need to be logged out to do that; deja-dupe might have the functionality [00:46] !info deja-dup [00:47] deja-dup (source: deja-dup): Back up your files. In component main, is optional. Version 36.3-0ubuntu0.1 (artful), package size 489 kB, installed size 3128 kB [00:47] pragmaticenigma: "apt-cache show deja-dup" says it does: "Securely encrypts and compresses your data" [00:50] deja dup is standard installed, but requests duplicity to be installed. [00:50] grinn [00:50] I've been isntructed to add "en_US ISO-8859-1" to /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local, but I only have a .../en, and its formatting inside is different such as "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8", should I still add this line and expect it to add the iso8859 one to my locales? [00:50] but not an option in deja dup afaik, encrypted. [00:59] so I can't apt update anymore [01:00] is there anything wrong with my sources? deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ zesty main restricted [01:00] Thanks oerheks and TJ- [01:01] where'd TJ- go?? [01:01] I have no idea what restricted means [01:01] I think it means that it contains verified software [01:01] but I get: E: The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty Release' does no longer have a Release file. [01:01] and, by the way, who the hell wrote that error message [01:02] zesty 17.04 .. eol, upgrade [01:02] hmm [01:02] what's the current version? [01:02] supernovah, being EOL (17.04 zesty) the repos don't exist in archive.ubuntu.com anymore, but have been moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com (without country codes) [01:03] hm, I see [01:03] 17.04 was released in 2017-April (hence 17.04) with 9 months life - it ended 13-jan-2018 [01:03] guiverc: ngc0202: there [01:03] 17.10 .. and 18.04 LTS soon end of april [01:03] restricted contains packages that may have restrictions based on your location and cannot be installed by default [01:04] what's the latest LTS for me to put in my sources [01:04] 16.04 ngc0202 [01:04] you cannot downgrade that way [01:04] oh, that's a downgrade [01:04] alright, the latest stable then [01:04] many 'restrictions' just relate to cost; no cost for end-user-to-download; but if included in iso, canonical/ubuntu would have to pay fee... [01:04] artful? [01:05] !eolupgrade [01:05] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [01:05] artful aardvark = 17.10 [01:06] 17.10 without unity, and xorg+wayland session, have fun [01:06] anyone happen to know why when I'm transfering files from one device to another It will start at around 45mps then keep dropping till nothing I'm runnning Ubuntu 16.04 LTS [01:07] guiverc, restricted carries the restricted formats and software that is considered illegal because it can be used to copy copywritten materia https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats [01:07] All are located in the restricted packages repository https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-restricted-extras [01:07] is restricted something I want in my sources? [01:08] ngc0202, for media playback of certain formats, yes [01:08] That would be from drive to drive or from usb to drive or other way around [01:08] oh ok [01:08] funky, data filling buffers give a hight start-rate, just be patient [01:08] this is the longest apt update of my life right now.. what's all this about universe and multiverse? [01:09] oerheks, thanks for the info I'll be patient :0) [01:11] pragmaticenigma, thanks - i mixed up multiverse & restricted - so thanks [01:15] repos - this includes a tongue-in-cheek description i liked - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories [01:16] does any one know a guy call himself teddy_sun? [01:17] guiverc, it also helped update my definition of restricted, thanks for the link [01:18] Yo [01:18] yanbc, This is a support room for Ubuntu and it's packaged software. If you have a question about Ubuntu please feel to ask it here. If you would like to talk about other topics, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic [01:19] Finally at my pc. [01:19] TheTechGuy, your name wouldn't happen to be Leo now would it? [01:20] :) most welcome pragmaticenigma [01:22] guiverc: can you explain the Debian reference [01:24] !debian [01:24] Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/ubuntu-and-debian - !Repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu! [01:24] No it isnt [01:24] ngc0202, in my posted link; debian is 'up-stream' of ubuntu, meaning software from debian makes its way into ubuntu (if selected). i've heard wimpy (martin wimpress) of ubuntu-mate say on podcast that he makes changes once in debian so they flow thru to ubuntu-mate (he supports debian mate as well) a lot of debian work is actually done by ubuntu folks so the upstream isn't maybe ideal anology [01:24] The names TheTechGuy [01:24] Or call me god === oxo1o1o1o_ is now known as jack_ [01:27] TheTechGuy, do you have a support related question about Ubuntu? please ask it. If you would like to talk about other topics, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic [01:27] /whois === jack_ is now known as oxo1o1o1o === mkv is now known as m4v === udarian is now known as udarian__ === ShapeShifter499 is now known as missinNo === FrankF1 is now known as FrankF [02:47] hi [02:49] i just installed lubuntu and fully updated... i have set up ethernet with manual settings, and a vpn - both work... after reboot, it takes a few minutes for the ethernet to automatically start [02:54] close === pd is now known as Guest77684 === missinNo is now known as ShapeShifter499 [03:16] So I got an issue. I currently run Ubuntu 17.10 and whenever my monitor turns off, goes to sleep, etc. When it wakes up something crashes causing it to go to the login screen. [03:16] Like I'm totally logged out. Keep losing my work. [03:24] In dmesg I get a AMDGPU error that says displayport link status failed & Clock recovery failed. [03:25] Shortly after gnome-shell[7770]: segfault at 18 ip 00007f799e9811bc sp 00007fff95bf3190 error 4 in libmutter-1.so.0.0.0[7f799e8c7000+142000] [03:25] sounds like worth filing a bugreport [03:32] Hi there [03:32] I'm having a problem with my USB flash drive: Everytime I pass data to it, it gets corrupted. I've tried other USB drives and the result is the same. Any thoughts? [03:32] Thank you [03:32] /j === anonymous is now known as Guest59826 [03:36] hi [03:37] saukk [03:37] im not using ubuntu [03:38] i want to download repository of ubuntu 14.04. how can do? [03:38] no idea i use kali [03:39] link download repository of ubuntu in windowse [03:39] link download repository of ubuntu 14.04 in windows [03:42] soshiant: do you mean the aptitude repositories containing the software you can install on Ubuntu? [03:43] soshiant : could this help ? https://camicri.github.io/camicri-cube/#/setup-windows [03:44] soshiant : Camicri Cube is a portable package manager aiming to help Linux users without internet access to download applications on another internet connected computer, and install them back to their original computer, offline. [03:44] tamayox, i'd test your hardware, eg. booting a 'live' distro and see if using it has the same issues with usb devices; maybe using that 'live' on a different box to confirm its not your 'live' system (just a thought) [03:44] yes [03:44] yes [03:47] guiverc: I didn't have this problem before. I think it could be something related to the kernel [03:50] tamayox, maybe, but could also be a new hardware glitch... i can't help with kernel issues except the obvious (try other kernel versions). if you test using an older kernel & don't have an issue; it sounds like a bug needing report [03:51] guiverc: Is there a way to downgrade my kernel version using APT? [03:52] guiverc: I'm Ubuntu 16.04, BTW [03:52] I'm on* [03:53] i'm assuming you have the last two+ kernels already installed; i'd try them first. rather than install older kernels (just to test), I'd boot say 16.04 iso to test the 2016 provided kernel , 16.04.1 to get later etc... (ie. booting iso's written to usb/dvdrw until you've proven its the cause before installing..) [03:56] guiverc: Let see if I understand: You're telling me to download previous ISOs and write them in USB flash drives? [03:57] its a suggestion - i'm not telling you to. it's just what I'd do [03:57] guiverc: Hehehehe... bad choice of words. Yes, you're suggesting, sorry [03:58] guiverc: Thing is, my USB drives are getting corrupted; I can't write data (this includes Ubuntu ISOs) on it [04:01] tamayox, if you don't have another box/lappie/.. to write usb; yeah its a problem (I'm assuming you do it on another box) [04:03] guiverc: I don't have another laptop :S [04:03] guiverc: So, do you know how to downgrade my kernel version? (I'm out of ideas) [04:05] tamayox: as guiverc said, you have older kernels installed, boot to grub and choose a different kernel to boot . [04:08] Bashing-om: There are only 2 kernel versions on my Grub. I think I got it though; the packages are still in the repository; I'll have to install them [04:08] guiverc, Bashing-om: Thanks for your help [04:09] tamayox: We remain for your assistance . [04:15] soshiant: sounds like you want to recursively download us.archive.ubuntu.com then === robert_ is now known as Guest76809 [04:17] Hi === udarian__ is now known as sariawan [04:37] Is this the appropriate channel to ask something about ufw? [04:37] TheGoose_: if its not ubuntu specifcly related try #netfilter mate [04:37] thanks [04:49] how might i edit my network config files apart from the GUI? [04:50] eraserpencil: nano in the terminal? [04:50] eraserpencil: in a terminal, well-known editors are vi, emacs, nano [04:50] wasnt there a network-manager tool also? [04:51] lotuspsychje: you mean nmcli? [04:51] brightspark: yeah tnx +1 === dah85 is now known as dah85_ [04:53] RIGHT. I meant, where would network config files be located. I have 3 strange and undeletable "Wired" interfaces showing in Settings>Network, but not in Network Connections. /etc/network/interfaces shows it is linked to /etc/network/interfaces.d, which is an empty folder [04:55] eraserpencil: do they appear in the ouput of "nmcli c" ? === smylzz is now known as lynkz [05:09] thanks #ubuntu for supporting freenode and making great os :) [05:17] Hi, do you think https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-15-5000-gaming/spd/inspiron-15-5576-gaming-laptop would be a good laptop for linux? i heard amd open source drivers are pretty good lately? [05:20] exit70, If you are going to buy new, there are several places that ship laptops with linux preinstalled, I'd request that you support them. system76 is one. === ajc is now known as Guest93405 [05:33] really wanna get amd gpu though [05:34] system76 isn't the only one, but I think they are on team green. [05:34] searching [05:50] exit70, how about thelinuxlaptop.com ? [05:51] they have a decent rating with the better business bureau and some with amd graphics. [05:52] never heard of them before so buyer beware === Jochen_wvdT is now known as Schlawiner [06:09] i'm looking for a driver for the 930-8i raid controller in ubuntu [06:16] hi all, pls, may u help me to install printer/scanner? I was not able to do it [06:16] jk^: What did you do, what did you expect to happen and what happened instead? [06:17] Simply, i try to find its drivers on manufacturer's site, but they arent' [06:17] aren't [06:17] after, i haven't try anything :\ === lotuspsychje_ is now known as lotuspsychje [06:20] clear [06:27] how to proceed? === kenden is now known as Guest34301 [06:33] i'm on lubuntu [06:33] i've installed "cups" package [06:33] now? === sauvin_ is now known as bocaneri [06:43] jk^: You could open http://localhost:631 and try to add the printer there. [06:57] how do I run gedit so I can edit config files? [06:58] gatekeeper__: sudo -H gedit /configfile [06:58] ... assuming it is a config file not owned by the regular user [06:59] Thanks I will give that a try [07:05] is there a way to install lubuntu without a usb drive or CD?] [07:05] !install | meway yes [07:05] meway yes: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - See also !automate [07:05] EriC^^, I get: No protocol specified [07:06] Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused [07:06] "lubuntu" [07:06] gatekeeper__: does sudo -H gedit work? [07:06] meway, same methodology [07:06] EriC^^, Nope same thing :-( [07:07] meway: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Menuentry_Example [07:07] gatekeeper__: what about sudo -i , then typing gedit [07:08] yea just clicked the link but oh gaud so many ways to install :D [07:08] EriC^^, that does not work either [07:08] Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused [07:09] So I switched to Ubuntu 17.* yesterday from x64 to 32bit. Now my wifi is wonky. THe machine is in the same exact spot. Whenever I download something, internally or externally, I get timeouts if the file is too big. Everything else connected to the router works fine, including wifi from my other laptop. [07:09] ok so how do I do it from a windows computer without usb or cd drive? [07:10] err, I switched from 32 bit to x64. [07:10] you can install through tftp. should be docs on that. [07:10] meway, has this computer ever ad ubuntu installed? [07:11] cfhowlett nope. its a factory installed windows 7 32bit acer iconia tab w500. [07:11] how much ram, meway ? [07:11] I think 2g [07:12] yea 2g [07:12] pretty minimal. lubuntu would be a better fit. why can't you use the typical install method, e.g. usb? [07:13] cfhowlett: I want to install lubuntu. I don't have a usb drive. [07:14] meway, my suggestion: install virtualbox to windows, download the lubuntu .iso, install, create a vbox linux machine, install lubuntu to machine [07:14] You could use a dvd... old school [07:15] its a tablet ' [07:15] Ah.. um.. ok [07:15] meway, see, now, little details like that matter. a lot. quit dropping crumbs and describe your issue in FULL. [07:16] I said the model name and everything .-. [07:17] I have a windows 7 tablet. Windows 7 does not play nice and this tablet could be suited better with a different os [07:17] I want to install lubuntu without a usb and without a dvd from windows 7 [07:17] ***possibly*** ubtouch would be the solution: https://ubports.com/ [07:18] How did you install windows 7 on it? Use a similiar method? [07:18] * meway is willing to try anything [07:18] bit tricky without installation media. PXE boot comes to mind, but you'll have to figure out the windows > device settings [07:18] Makefile:130: recipe for target 'vmmon.ko' failed [07:18] Yourock17: x_x acer iconia tab w500 [07:18] Makefile:130: recipe for target 'vmmon.ko' failed [07:19] I know I'll have to install some kind of kernal to load the new os probably put the iso on a partition [07:20] can any help with vmware-player-6 installation on ubuntu 16.04 [07:20] meway: Thank you for clarifying [07:20] i get this error message while compiling Makefile:130: recipe for target 'vmmon.ko' failed [07:21] yourock17 no prob lol [07:21] this thing is an abomination lol [07:22] Makefile:130: recipe for target 'vmmon.ko' failed [07:22] Just did a search on the model. Windows 7 looks like the most frustrating thing to have on thath thing [07:22] meway, but you can install windows apps? virtualbox! [07:22] meway: i have serious doubts you'll be very happy with lubuntu on a tablet, it's just not intended for use on one [07:23] it has a plug in keyboard so it is more like a laptop [07:24] Lubuntu isn't very 'touch' friendly though. Unless you have an external mouse the touch aspect of it is useless [07:25] android on tablet? [07:25] thats fair. I'm looking into ut now [07:26] so I can install ubuntu from vm? on the actual pc? [07:26] yep [07:26] What hypervisor? [07:27] but can I run it without running windows in a vm? [07:27] no [07:27] the vm runs in windows. ubuntu runs in the vm [07:27] so if windows 7 is eating all my resources the vm becomes useless [07:27] meway: you actually can, if you want to give it a shot, sometimes it doesnt work [07:28] run windows with minimal resources [07:28] "safe mode" iirc [07:28] hmm [07:28] retval = get_user_pages [07:28] Im going to go buy a flash drive :( [07:30] Alot simpler [07:30] nvm [07:30] whoever recommended this https://ubports.com/ubuntu-touch/get-ut thanks [07:34] ah yea it was cfhowlett thanks :) [07:34] happy2help! meway [07:35] isn't that walmarts mato? [07:35] :P [07:36] no, walmarts stole it from here [07:36] seems legit lol [07:36] :D [07:37] I'll ask my market manager where we got it from xD [07:37] I'm already dialing my attorney ... [07:37] xD [07:37] hahaha [07:37] rip [07:49] hello === eraserpencil1 is now known as eraserpencil [08:14] hello everyone [08:14] wocaonima [08:15] Hello all, [08:16] where are you from? bunnyman [08:16] @tamayox, your USB issue...sounds like the flash cells dying...normal after you've reached the r/w limit [08:16] @hsoshipeng i'm from California [08:16] how about you @hsoshipeng [08:16] china [08:17] oh cool, what time is it over there @hsoshipeng [08:19] 4:20 pm [08:19] and you? [08:19] 1:19 am [08:20] cool [08:21] why don't you go to sleep so late? [08:22] !ot | bunnyman hsoshipeng [08:22] bunnyman hsoshipeng: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [08:23] ???????????? [08:24] hello [08:25] hsoshipeng: do you have an ubuntu support question? if you just want to chat, please do so in #ubuntu-offtopic [08:27] hello everyone [08:30] hello lotuspsychje [08:39] ~anma@212.25.61.235 [08:40] 666~anma@212.25.61.235 [08:42] https://www.almubasher.com.sa/auth/login [08:43] https://www.tdsmanagedip.com/auth/login/ [08:43] !ops | mhamd [08:43] mhamd: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, genii, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, nhandler, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, bazhang, chu, dax [08:55] I have cloned my Bitbucket repository any idea how I extract the code from my local repo to a working directory for the project? [08:56] Hello everyone :) For my studies I've to Interview a pro in computing, is there anyone who mind to answer some questions in pm? ^^ thanks :P (please excuse my english :O ) [08:56] Do the default proprietary nvidia drivers use OpenCL? Mandelbulber has an option to use OpenCL. Just wondering if I should compile it with OpenCL support. [09:24] hi all [09:24] can someone help me with an issue please [09:24] Hi [09:24] I guess we'll try our best ^ [09:24] ^^* [09:25] John__: i want a doc which describes how to prepare ubuntu 16.04 to support SR-IOV [09:29] John__: any idea ? [09:31] can someone help me with how to configure ubuntu 26.04 to support SR-IOV ? [09:31] sorry it s on ubuntu 16.04 [09:40] hi [09:47] I have problem in ubuntu 17.04 in desktop when i click to folder it opens it default with dolphin. How to change this behaviour to open in default file manager of ubuntu? [09:47] hi [09:48] ola seniora === michi is now known as Guest21616 [09:48] ola seniora === ShriHari is now known as IDK === IDK is now known as Guest88476 === Guest88476 is now known as IDKIDKIDK [09:52] 18.04 [09:52] when is 18.04 getting released ? Anyone [09:53] IDKIDKIDK, 18.04 means 2018.april - can you guess when? [09:53] MarceeZ: 17.04? why are you still using that version? it's no longer supported [09:54] There was a time when this channel had lots of traffic [09:54] guiverc_d> Hope its not 1st April === guiverc_d is now known as guiverc [09:55] IDKIDKIDK, nah - late in month of april is release date. [09:55] S_I_L_E_N_C_E [09:55] G: I think it by 26th april [09:56] IDKIDKIDK, at times of the day, this channel is busy, at other times it's relatively quiet (look up the wiki if you want the exact date) === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [09:57] MarceeZ, are you using Kubuntu? or what DEsktop are you using? [10:14] hello [10:14] cant figure out why do-release-upgrade reports no available releases even though i am trying to upgrade from 16.04 to 16.04.3 LTS [10:14] i am using these sources https://bpaste.net/show/3301421ea956 [10:14] same upgrade worked fine on other machines [10:15] leeyaa: d-r-u is not used for that [10:15] TJ-: use apt ? [10:15] leeyaa: apt full-upgrade [10:16] leeyaa: 16.04.3 is a "point release" - in other words, it is just an ISO with all the updated packages on a single day [10:16] hm [10:16] leeyaa: for an installed system if it's using apt update/apt upgrade the packages are alwys the latest [10:16] hateball: apt full-upgrade reports nothing [10:16] TJ-: thats strange it worked fine on other 16.04 to 16.04.3 upgrades [10:17] hello everyone, has anyone read Ubuntu Unleashed and was it useful ? [10:17] leeyaa: what does "cat /etc/issue" tell you? [10:17] TJ-: it returns Ubuntu 16.04 LTS \n \l [10:17] something is different on this vm [10:17] i am using same ansible playbook for 20 more vms and it worked fine there [10:17] leeyaa: are the apt sources configured correctly? (/etc/apt/sources.list) [10:18] TJ-: yeah, i am using https://bpaste.net/show/3301421ea956 [10:23] leeyaa: what version of base-files is installed? "apt-cache policy base-files" [10:23] !info base-files 16.04 [10:23] '16.04' is not a valid distribution: artful, artful-backports, artful-proposed, bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial- [10:23] !info base-files xenial [10:23] base-files (source: base-files): Debian base system miscellaneous files. In component main, is required. Version 9.4ubuntu4.6 (xenial), package size 53 kB, installed size 312 kB [10:27] hello guys [10:27] for ftp,to transfer files from mobile to laptop,I made a mobilehotspot and have a laptop with wifi, Why is my laptop a server and the mobile hotspot a client? I thought Mobile was transmitting the signal, so it's supposed to be the client for FTP. === enko-work is now known as enko-w [10:27] I can't seem to understand why do I need to do it [10:27] lovilr: the client is the initiator, the server is the listener (that waits for connections) [10:28] I have to make the laptop as the server [10:28] and why is client the mobile? no the mobile has hotspot [10:28] so it's transmitting [10:28] actually I am using two mobiles sometimes too, and it confusess me [10:28] lovilr: don't confuse what WiFi does with the File Transfer Protocol - they are completely separate [10:28] which is client and which is server [10:29] lovilr: In WiFi the Access Point is the listener and Stations are the clients that request a connection [10:29] why is laptop the server? [10:29] I just told you [10:29] laptop is having wifi, and is the client therefore [10:29] just like internet browser is a client [10:29] and ubuntu.com is the server [10:30] lovilr: are you sure you connected to the mobile hotspot from the laptop? [10:30] I created the hotspot on the mobile, so the mobile is "transmitting " information, and so it should be the server. as it's serving the files [10:30] yes my laptop has wifi, like any other one [10:31] lovilr: i dont think that matters to ftp stuff, if they're on the same network i think you can have ftp either way [10:31] I also used two mobiles, and the hotspot one became the client, and the wifi-one the receiver became the server [10:31] maybe you want mtp stuff to transfer files to and from your cellphone? [10:31] !mtp | lovilr [10:32] my question is why is that. They deliberately made it like that [10:33] lovilr: what do you mean by it became the server? [10:33] TJ-: interesting [10:34] EriC^^: wifi laptop/mobile acts as the server [10:34] why [10:34] and the "transmitter" is the client-which is weird [10:35] lovilr: have a look here https://askubuntu.com/questions/146529/how-to-connect-mtp-devices-via-usb [10:36] lovilr: try airdroid [10:37] EriC^^: I think lovilr doesn't understand that WiFi connections and FTP are totally separate things and assumes a Wifi AP on the 'phone is *THE* server for everything so why is it using FTP client to connect to laptop [10:38] TJ-: yeah a few things are mixed up [10:39] and which is the host... [10:40] lovilr: there's no host except in the ftp context, in wifi it's just a connection between access point and clients [10:41] no wifi is the server. say laptop, I am saying wifi one-should the client, and hotspot transmitter one, should be the server. [10:41] it doesn't matter which is hotspot or client, once they're connected you can connect from either to to the other as long as the service is running on the one you're connecting to [10:41] so you are saying that wifi laptop is the client? [10:41] to be honest i'm finding it hard to follow [10:42] once you connect to the hotspot why do you say it's the server? [10:42] i dont get that part [10:42] because I am transfering files, from mobile to laptop? [10:43] so mobile hotspot is "serving files" [10:43] so it's the server... [10:43] ok, so the wifi aspect of it is irrelevant [10:43] sorry should be [10:44] wifi one, should've been the client [10:44] AI_, did you get a response? [10:44] lovilr: it depends whether the wifi one has a ftp server to connect to [10:46] lovilr: wifi is just a connection that's all, ftp stuff is another system, if host A has ftp you can connect to it, if host B has ftp you can connect to it [10:47] ftp is a service on the pc's with a port opened, wifi is just transmitting the connection between them, hope that clears it up === ShriHari is now known as Ubuntu_admin [10:48]