| Unit193 | I PPA'd a thing. | 02:15 |
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| -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r674 Launchpad automatic translations update. (by Launchpad Translations on behalf of xubuntu-dev) | 05:27 | |
| Unit193 | Sooo... | 05:28 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Which PPAs plan to support all of Bionic's lifecycle? | 05:31 |
| flocculant | Unit193: yea - asking about core | 06:08 |
| Unit193 | "It contains only the latest and greatest virii" | 06:09 |
| flocculant | :P | 06:10 |
| flocculant | I didn't think it had gnome software | 06:10 |
| Unit193 | I, err, might heavily object to that, yes. | 06:11 |
| flocculant | :D | 06:11 |
| Unit193 | It mainly has numlockx so you won't kill me. :3 | 06:11 |
| Unit193 | (Nah, underlaying stuff like that would be a bear to track down, only makes sense to seed.) | 06:12 |
| flocculant | :) | 06:12 |
| Unit193 | So, would you heavily object if I asked about linking Core at the bottom of the least read release announcements/notes? | 06:13 |
| flocculant | Unit193: nope - I'd not object to you asking about that, nor would I object to doing it :p | 06:15 |
| Unit193 | I entirely understand if the release people don't approve, tis fine. | 06:16 |
| flocculant | on the techy one? https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes | 06:16 |
| flocculant | assuming you've got access - add it there yourself - beforre Changelogs I think would be best | 06:16 |
| Unit193 | I think I do, also changelogs for xubuntu-(core,desktop,wallpapers) are for the binary packages, not sources, thus 404. | 06:23 |
| flocculant | can you edit those at the same time then please :p | 06:23 |
| Unit193 | Yeah. | 06:23 |
| flocculant | cheers - someone mentioned that a short while ago - and I forgot to do anything about it | 06:23 |
| flocculant | Unit193: you realise that once 18.04 releases I'll copy that note to 18.10 - so anything you add will be there as well? | 06:26 |
| flocculant | don't suppose that's an issue though until it's finally official ... | 06:26 |
| flocculant | ... | 06:26 |
| Unit193 | Don't think I see any problem. | 06:44 |
| flocculant | Unit193: I'll leave it to you then - if you've not got access - get it :D | 06:49 |
| flocculant | or pm me what you want to say there | 06:49 |
| flocculant | bbl | 06:49 |
| ali1234 | flocculant: you can remove bug 1756614 from the blueprint - it turned out the bug was entirely caused by a non-xubuntu package | 08:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1756614 in indicator-cpufreq (Ubuntu) "indicator-cpufreq sets a bogus icon theme path" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756614 | 08:25 |
| bluesabre | !team | Opinion on color emoji? We opted to use the non-color Symbola emoji font for 18.04, but I wanted to confirm that there was a consensus on this. See below link for more information. | 10:25 |
| ubottu | Opinion on color emoji? We opted to use the non-color Symbola emoji font for 18.04, but I wanted to confirm that there was a consensus on this. See below link for more information.: team is akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 | 10:25 |
| bluesabre | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1746310 | 10:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1746310 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Drop fonts-symbola from platform?" [Undecided,Fix released] | 10:25 |
| bluesabre | Color: https://ubuntucommunity.s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/original/1X/73d2960cc39ab675cf6ad2a0639d4791695edd74.jpg | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | Symbola: https://i.imgur.com/bnUpVoP.png | 10:26 |
| bluesabre | It should also be noted that this is only for support in GTK+ 3 applications. QT doesn't support it, Firefox ships their own support, and Chromium does it's own thing. | 10:28 |
| knome | personally i don't think we need to ship any emoji... | 10:38 |
| knome | that said, i guess if you want stuff like emoji, color is what you'd likely prefer | 10:44 |
| knome | whether those fit into the xubuntu looks... dunno | 10:44 |
| akxwi-dave | hmm.. prefer the colour ones personally.. but very rarely use emojis 😺 🤭 😃 ⛷️🏍️🍗🥠🍧🌑📈📉🖇️📭🆗 | 12:38 |
| slickymasterWork | my I'm with knome, personally I don't see the need in shipping emojis but if we do, then I'd go with the colour ones | 12:43 |
| donofrio_ | how do I fix this https://pastebin.com/PqZ7mEBR | 15:17 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I'm +1 to the majority - if there's no majority - I'm +1 what the dev team decide :p | 17:44 |
| flocculant | ali1234: did that - pretty sure you could have too | 19:00 |
| ali1234 | flocculant: i'm not actually sure where the blueprint is. i only know that bug was on it cos of the little icon next to my list of bugs... | 19:03 |
| flocculant | ali1234: ok :) | 19:08 |
| flocculant | ftr you cand get to the blueprints from dev.xubuntu.org | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | color emoji! | 19:38 |
| Unit193 | I'm the only one that'd prefer symbola? We ship a lot of GTK2, and as stated the color option isn't supported in Qt. | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | yes | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | what happens in GTK2 apps when it "isn't supported"? | 19:55 |
| Unit193 | I presume it shows the typical | 19:58 |
| pleia2 | that won't do :( | 19:58 |
| pleia2 | I'd rather have them render B&W everywhere than broken in half the places | 19:58 |
| Unit193 | I don't know for sure, I have symbola. | 19:59 |
| ochosi | meh, did i miss anything? | 20:23 |
| Unit193 | Since you disconnected or when? | 20:24 |
| ochosi | yeah | 20:30 |
| ochosi | stupid bouncer randomly reboots and doesn't reconnect irssi :/ | 20:30 |
| Unit193 | I'm fairly confused, I'm pretty sure I recently tried this but dropbox indicator works in sn-plug. | 21:35 |
| Unit193 | I'm wondering if a dropbox update in the meantime finally fixed it? | 21:37 |
| * Unit193 shrugs. | 21:37 | |
| ochosi | i'd say if it works now there | 21:46 |
| ochosi | 's less to worry about | 21:46 |
| ochosi | Unit193: any idea when/where/how the icon cache for elementary-xfce is created? | 21:47 |
| ochosi | the -darkest variant doesn#t seem to have one for some reason | 21:47 |
| ochosi | i thought it happens in the xubuntu-artwork package, but seemingly not | 21:47 |
| ochosi | (or i overlooked it) | 21:47 |
| Unit193 | if which update-icon-caches >/dev/null 2>&1 ; then | 21:48 |
| Unit193 | update-icon-caches /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-darker | 21:48 |
| Unit193 | fi | 21:48 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: -darkest is just a symlink to -darker. | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | it isn't... it contains symlinks, but it is a real directory and needs its own icon cache | 22:01 |
| ochosi | but the appearance dialog shows the corresponding warning | 22:01 |
| ochosi | ali1234: thanks for reporting that bug, i had forgotten about it again... | 22:01 |
| Unit193 | $needs_cache = 1 if -f and (/\.png$/ or /\.svg$/ or /\.xpm$/ or /\.icon$/); | 22:11 |
| ochosi | Unit193: right, so what do you suggest? just ignore the complaint of appearance settings and say it's expected? | 22:28 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I simply answered as to "why" it was happening. | 22:28 |
| ochosi | sry, my question wasn't ironic | 22:33 |
| ochosi | just wondering how to best fix this or if at all | 22:33 |
| ochosi | but currently still working on a greybird fix, so i'm happy if you'll take a look | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | Just making it clear I'm not saying we shouldn't, just "why" it's happening. One could simply add a rule like the above for darkest? | 22:35 |
| ali1234 | what does that do? search for those file types? | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | if so that's the problem. darkest doesn't contain any... it symlinks them. but it is still expected to have a cache | 22:36 |
| Unit193 | dh_icons is what generates the update-icon-caches command from above, that is the search method it uses. | 22:36 |
| Unit193 | I'd argue it should also look for index.theme. | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | right | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | really why search at all? | 22:37 |
| ochosi | Unit193: i'd tend to agree: if searching at all, it should also search for index.theme | 22:38 |
| ali1234 | what are darker and darkest for anyway? | 22:42 |
| ochosi | distinguishes between panel and toolbar stuff | 22:44 |
| ochosi | so darker is bright icons for a dark panel and dark icons for the toolbar | 22:44 |
| ochosi | and darkest is dark monochrome icons for panel and toolbar | 22:45 |
| ochosi | all of that is completely superfluous with symbolic icons and gtk3 | 22:45 |
| ochosi | so as soon as panel, thunar etc. are used in their gtk3 versions, we can get rid of all of that | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | re: emoji fonts, pretty sure the color emoji can only be rendered in gtk3, they'll be b&w everywhere else | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | I don't mind the b&w, but thought it was fair to ask | 22:49 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: heya! i need your package update magic before UIF | 22:50 |
| ochosi | what's my deadline? | 22:50 |
| ochosi | i just pushed a boatload of updates to elementary-xfce, so that's pretty much ready to ship | 22:51 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: UIF is tomorrow :D | 22:51 |
| ochosi | but in greybird from git master there is a tiny regression currently (only certain rare gtk2 widgets affected), unfortunately it seems hard to fix, but then again it would probably be bugfix anyway, no? | 22:51 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: if elementary-xfce is ready, I'll confirm the dangling icons are not present | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: yes, bugfix | 22:52 |
| ochosi | k | 22:52 |
| ochosi | so i'll do a release of greybird and we'll see if i get to a bugfix before final freeze | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | I have something else for you with Greybird, in Chrome with GTK theme, the window controls are rendered 2x and blurry | 22:52 |
| ochosi | and for elementary-xfce i'll do a release now | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: waaaaait | 22:52 |
| ochosi | and we can also pull them into xubuntu-artwork | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | one sec :) | 22:52 |
| ochosi | hehe | 22:52 |
| ochosi | i recently fixed some chrome rendering issues though with greybird, maybe different ones | 22:53 |
| ochosi | can check | 22:53 |
| ochosi | what version? | 22:53 |
| ochosi | i have 64.0 | 22:53 |
| ochosi | and the window controls with gtk look ok | 22:53 |
| ochosi | but i also don't have hidpi | 22:54 |
| ochosi | if that's what you're asking | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | the version I have at work... might be old :) | 22:54 |
| ochosi | hehe | 22:54 |
| ochosi | anyway, that's another bugfix imho | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | agreed | 22:55 |
| bluesabre | and not seeing it now | 22:55 |
| bluesabre | so maybe just fixed recently | 22:55 |
| ochosi | what's only half-ready in greybird currently (and what i'm not going to finish for 18.04 probably) is the hidpi support for CSD | 22:55 |
| bluesabre | that's fair | 22:55 |
| ochosi | but as xfwm4 also doesn't have a hidpi theme yet, it's probably not a huge problem | 22:55 |
| ochosi | i'd love to add it, but i still lack some icons (the basic ones are there though) | 22:55 |
| ochosi | and knome is slacking... :D | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | 1 sec might be more, lp:xubuntu-artwork is a behemoth | 22:56 |
| ochosi | hehe, i know | 22:56 |
| ochosi | i also added almost 1000 icon changes in the last days | 22:56 |
| ochosi | drawing and scaling lots of crap | 22:56 |
| ochosi | to be able to pull in all the upstream goodness | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | really did the cleaner emblems that landed sometime recently | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | *dig | 22:57 |
| ochosi | which ones? the colored circles? | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | oh | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | that was a different theme | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | sorry for my infidelity | 22:58 |
| ochosi | currently we don't really have that many emblems | 22:58 |
| ochosi | :o | 22:58 |
| ochosi | :D | 22:58 |
| ochosi | it's ok, i'm sure you also switched to arc already ;) | 22:58 |
| ochosi | (or whatever is hip these days) | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: got a few dangling symlinks | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | Checking dangling symlinks (after) | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/stock_delete.png -> edit-delete.png | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/editdelete.png -> edit-delete.png | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/stock_not.png -> edit-delete.png | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | lrwxrwxrwx 1 31 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/edit-delete.png -> ../../places/128/user-trash.png | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/gtk-delete.png -> edit-delete.png | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: actually prefer greybird these days | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | just the most compatible with everything | 22:59 |
| ochosi | \o/ | 22:59 |
| ochosi | is those all dangling symlinks? | 22:59 |
| ochosi | i can quickly fix those.. | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | seemingly | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | once those are fixed, we should be in good shape | 23:00 |
| bluesabre | ready for both releases :) | 23:00 |
| bluesabre | going to get ice cream, bbiab | 23:00 |
| ochosi | fixed | 23:01 |
| ochosi | already pushed it | 23:01 |
| bluesabre | testing again | 23:01 |
| bluesabre | good to go | 23:01 |
| ochosi | yay | 23:01 |
| ochosi | enjoy the ice-cream | 23:02 |
| ochosi | i'll tag both releases then | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | thx | 23:02 |
| ochosi | thanks for doing the last-minute upload | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | it's my speciality | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | been doing it for years now | 23:02 |
| ochosi | :D | 23:02 |
| ochosi | it's gonna be a pretty awesome release actually | 23:03 |
| ochosi | much more goodness all over the place than expected | 23:03 |
| bluesabre | definitely | 23:03 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Looks like the b/w versions are basically fallback, and incomplete in my testing. | 23:06 |
| Unit193 | And yeah, really don't work so well in Qt, so I'd be in favor of symbola. | 23:06 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/elementary-xfce-0.11 | 23:07 |
| Unit193 | https://bugs.debian.org/893746 | 23:07 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 893746 in dh-autoreconf "dh-autoreconf: Consider adding support for Xfce packages (via xdt-autogen)" [Wishlist,Open] | 23:07 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I'm in favor of symbola for the consistency between desktops | 23:31 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: much appreciated | 23:31 |
| bluesabre | lol | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | something locked dpkg while I was installing updates | 23:36 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.22.7 | 23:37 |
| ochosi | nighty! | 23:37 |
| ochosi | and thanks again | 23:37 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: thanks! have a good night | 23:37 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Also talked to the dh-autoreconf maintainer first, he'll look after bionic release. | 23:46 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: nice | 23:47 |
| Unit193 | May I presume that you don't plan to migrate any of the packages to git? | 23:48 |
| bluesabre | not currently planning on git migrations, maybe before 18.04 release though | 23:48 |
| Unit193 | (Meant pkg-xfce svn/git.) | 23:49 |
| bluesabre | probably not | 23:49 |
| bluesabre | you should see the messes I'm making in PAPT land | 23:50 |
| Unit193 | There's a nice migration script at least! But yeeah, I don't want to push any either. :3 | 23:50 |
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