[02:15] <Unit193> I PPA'd a thing.
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[05:28] <Unit193> Sooo...
[05:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: Which PPAs plan to support all of Bionic's lifecycle?
[06:08] <flocculant> Unit193: yea - asking about core
[06:09] <Unit193> "It contains only the latest and greatest virii"
[06:10] <flocculant> :P
[06:10] <flocculant> I didn't think it had gnome software
[06:11] <Unit193> I, err, might heavily object to that, yes.
[06:11] <flocculant> :D
[06:11] <Unit193> It mainly has numlockx so you won't kill me. :3
[06:12] <Unit193> (Nah, underlaying stuff like that would be a bear to track down, only makes sense to seed.)
[06:12] <flocculant> :)
[06:13] <Unit193> So, would you heavily object if I asked about linking Core at the bottom of the least read release announcements/notes?
[06:15] <flocculant> Unit193: nope - I'd not object to you asking about that, nor would I object to doing it :p
[06:16] <Unit193> I entirely understand if the release people don't approve, tis fine.
[06:16] <flocculant> on the techy one? https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes
[06:16] <flocculant> assuming you've got access - add it there yourself - beforre Changelogs I think would be best
[06:23] <Unit193> I think I do, also changelogs for xubuntu-(core,desktop,wallpapers) are for the binary packages, not sources, thus 404.
[06:23] <flocculant> can you edit those at the same time then please :p
[06:23] <Unit193> Yeah.
[06:23] <flocculant> cheers - someone mentioned that a short while ago - and I forgot to do anything about it 
[06:26] <flocculant> Unit193: you realise that once 18.04 releases I'll copy that note to 18.10 - so anything you add will be there as well? 
[06:26] <flocculant> don't suppose that's an issue though until it's finally official ...
[06:26] <flocculant> ...
[06:44] <Unit193> Don't think I see any problem.
[06:49] <flocculant> Unit193: I'll leave it to you then - if you've not got access - get it :D
[06:49] <flocculant> or pm me what you want to say there
[06:49] <flocculant> bbl
[08:25] <ali1234> flocculant: you can remove bug 1756614 from the blueprint - it turned out the bug was entirely caused by a non-xubuntu package
[10:25] <bluesabre> !team | Opinion on color emoji? We opted to use the non-color Symbola emoji font for 18.04, but I wanted to confirm that there was a consensus on this. See below link for more information.
[10:25] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1746310
[10:26] <bluesabre> Color: https://ubuntucommunity.s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/original/1X/73d2960cc39ab675cf6ad2a0639d4791695edd74.jpg
[10:26] <bluesabre> Symbola: https://i.imgur.com/bnUpVoP.png
[10:28] <bluesabre> It should also be noted that this is only for support in GTK+ 3 applications. QT doesn't support it, Firefox ships their own support, and Chromium does it's own thing.
[10:38] <knome> personally i don't think we need to ship any emoji...
[10:44] <knome> that said, i guess if you want stuff like emoji, color is what you'd likely prefer
[10:44] <knome> whether those fit into the xubuntu looks... dunno
[12:38] <akxwi-dave> hmm.. prefer the colour ones personally.. but very rarely use emojis  😺 🤭  😃 ⛷️🏍️🍗🥠🍧🌑📈📉🖇️📭🆗
[12:43] <slickymasterWork> my I'm with knome, personally I don't see the need in shipping emojis but if we do, then I'd go with the colour ones
[15:17] <donofrio_> how do I fix this https://pastebin.com/PqZ7mEBR
[17:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'm +1 to the majority - if there's no majority - I'm +1 what the dev team decide :p
[19:00] <flocculant> ali1234: did that - pretty sure you could have too
[19:03] <ali1234> flocculant: i'm not actually sure where the blueprint is. i only know that bug was on it cos of the little icon next to my list of bugs...
[19:08] <flocculant> ali1234: ok :)
[19:09] <flocculant> ftr you cand get to the blueprints from dev.xubuntu.org
[19:38] <pleia2> color emoji!
[19:51] <Unit193> I'm the only one that'd prefer symbola?  We ship a lot of GTK2, and as stated the color option isn't supported in Qt.
[19:54] <pleia2> yes
[19:55] <pleia2> what happens in GTK2 apps when it "isn't supported"?
[19:58] <Unit193> I presume it shows the typical 򒎃
[19:58] <pleia2> that won't do :(
[19:58] <pleia2> I'd rather have them render B&W everywhere than broken in half the places
[19:59] <Unit193> I don't know for sure, I have symbola.
[20:23] <ochosi> meh, did i miss anything?
[20:24] <Unit193> Since you disconnected or when?
[20:30] <ochosi> yeah
[20:30] <ochosi> stupid bouncer randomly reboots and doesn't reconnect irssi :/
[21:35] <Unit193> I'm fairly confused, I'm pretty sure I recently tried this but dropbox indicator works in sn-plug.
[21:37] <Unit193> I'm wondering if a dropbox update in the meantime finally fixed it?
[21:37]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[21:46] <ochosi> i'd say if it works now there
[21:46] <ochosi> 's less to worry about
[21:47] <ochosi> Unit193: any idea when/where/how the icon cache for elementary-xfce is created?
[21:47] <ochosi> the -darkest variant doesn#t seem to have one for some reason
[21:47] <ochosi> i thought it happens in the xubuntu-artwork package, but seemingly not
[21:47] <ochosi> (or i overlooked it)
[21:48] <Unit193> 	if which update-icon-caches >/dev/null 2>&1 ; then
[21:48] <Unit193> 		update-icon-caches /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-darker
[21:48] <Unit193> 	fi
[21:54] <Unit193> ochosi: -darkest is just a symlink to -darker.
[22:01] <ali1234> it isn't... it contains symlinks, but it is a real directory and needs its own icon cache
[22:01] <ochosi> but the appearance dialog shows the corresponding warning
[22:01] <ochosi> ali1234: thanks for reporting that bug, i had forgotten about it again...
[22:11] <Unit193>                                 $needs_cache = 1 if -f and (/\.png$/ or /\.svg$/ or /\.xpm$/ or /\.icon$/);
[22:28] <ochosi> Unit193: right, so what do you suggest? just ignore the complaint of appearance settings and say it's expected?
[22:28] <Unit193> ochosi: I simply answered as to "why" it was happening.
[22:33] <ochosi> sry, my question wasn't ironic
[22:33] <ochosi> just wondering how to best fix this or if at all
[22:34] <ochosi> but currently still working on a greybird fix, so i'm happy if you'll take a look
[22:35] <Unit193> Just making it clear I'm not saying we shouldn't, just "why" it's happening.  One could simply add a rule like the above for darkest?
[22:36] <ali1234> what does that do? search for those file types?
[22:36] <ali1234> if so that's the problem. darkest doesn't contain any... it symlinks them. but it is still expected to have a cache
[22:36] <Unit193> dh_icons is what generates the update-icon-caches command from above, that is the search method it uses.
[22:37] <Unit193> I'd argue it should also look for index.theme.
[22:37] <ali1234> right
[22:37] <ali1234> really why search at all?
[22:38] <ochosi> Unit193: i'd tend to agree: if searching at all, it should also search for index.theme
[22:42] <ali1234> what are darker and darkest for anyway?
[22:44] <ochosi> distinguishes between panel and toolbar stuff
[22:44] <ochosi> so darker is bright icons for a dark panel and dark icons for the toolbar
[22:45] <ochosi> and darkest is dark monochrome icons for panel and toolbar
[22:45] <ochosi> all of that is completely superfluous with symbolic icons and gtk3
[22:46] <ochosi> so as soon as panel, thunar etc. are used in their gtk3 versions, we can get rid of all of that
[22:48] <bluesabre> re: emoji fonts, pretty sure the color emoji can only be rendered in gtk3, they'll be b&w everywhere else
[22:49] <bluesabre> I don't mind the b&w, but thought it was fair to ask
[22:50] <ochosi> bluesabre: heya! i need your package update magic before UIF
[22:50] <ochosi> what's my deadline?
[22:51] <ochosi> i just pushed a boatload of updates to elementary-xfce, so that's pretty much ready to ship
[22:51] <bluesabre> ochosi: UIF is tomorrow :D
[22:51] <ochosi> but in greybird from git master there is a tiny regression currently (only certain rare gtk2 widgets affected), unfortunately it seems hard to fix, but then again it would probably be bugfix anyway, no?
[22:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: if elementary-xfce is ready, I'll confirm the dangling icons are not present
[22:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes, bugfix
[22:52] <ochosi> k
[22:52] <ochosi> so i'll do a release of greybird and we'll see if i get to a bugfix before final freeze
[22:52] <bluesabre> I have something else for you with Greybird, in Chrome with GTK theme, the window controls are rendered 2x and blurry
[22:52] <ochosi> and for elementary-xfce i'll do a release now
[22:52] <bluesabre> ochosi: waaaaait
[22:52] <ochosi> and we can also pull them into xubuntu-artwork
[22:52] <bluesabre> one sec :)
[22:52] <ochosi> hehe
[22:53] <ochosi> i recently fixed some chrome rendering issues though with greybird, maybe different ones
[22:53] <ochosi> can check
[22:53] <ochosi> what version?
[22:53] <ochosi> i have 64.0
[22:53] <ochosi> and the window controls with gtk look ok
[22:54] <ochosi> but i also don't have hidpi
[22:54] <ochosi> if that's what you're asking
[22:54] <bluesabre> the version I have at work... might be old :)
[22:54] <ochosi> hehe
[22:54] <ochosi> anyway, that's another bugfix imho
[22:55] <bluesabre> agreed
[22:55] <bluesabre> and not seeing it now
[22:55] <bluesabre> so maybe just fixed recently
[22:55] <ochosi> what's only half-ready in greybird currently (and what i'm not going to finish for 18.04 probably) is the hidpi support for CSD
[22:55] <bluesabre> that's fair
[22:55] <ochosi> but as xfwm4 also doesn't have a hidpi theme yet, it's probably not a huge problem
[22:55] <ochosi> i'd love to add it, but i still lack some icons (the basic ones are there though)
[22:56] <ochosi> and knome is slacking... :D
[22:56] <bluesabre> 1 sec might be more, lp:xubuntu-artwork is a behemoth
[22:56] <ochosi> hehe, i know
[22:56] <ochosi> i also added almost 1000 icon changes in the last days
[22:56] <ochosi> drawing and scaling lots of crap
[22:56] <ochosi> to be able to pull in all the upstream goodness
[22:57] <bluesabre> really did the cleaner emblems that landed sometime recently
[22:57] <bluesabre> *dig
[22:57] <ochosi> which ones? the colored circles?
[22:57] <bluesabre> oh
[22:58] <bluesabre> that was a different theme
[22:58] <bluesabre> sorry for my infidelity
[22:58] <ochosi> currently we don't really have that many emblems
[22:58] <ochosi> :o
[22:58] <ochosi> :D
[22:58] <ochosi> it's ok, i'm sure you also switched to arc already ;)
[22:58] <ochosi> (or whatever is hip these days)
[22:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: got a few dangling symlinks
[22:59] <bluesabre> Checking dangling symlinks (after)
[22:59] <bluesabre> lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/stock_delete.png -> edit-delete.png
[22:59] <bluesabre> lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/editdelete.png -> edit-delete.png
[22:59] <bluesabre> lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/stock_not.png -> edit-delete.png
[22:59] <bluesabre> lrwxrwxrwx 1 31 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/edit-delete.png -> ../../places/128/user-trash.png
[22:59] <bluesabre> lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/gtk-delete.png -> edit-delete.png
[22:59] <bluesabre> ochosi: actually prefer greybird these days
[22:59] <bluesabre> just the most compatible with everything
[22:59] <ochosi> \o/
[22:59] <ochosi> is those all dangling symlinks?
[22:59] <ochosi> i can quickly fix those..
[22:59] <bluesabre> seemingly
[23:00] <bluesabre> once those are fixed, we should be in good shape
[23:00] <bluesabre> ready for both releases :)
[23:00] <bluesabre> going to get ice cream, bbiab
[23:01] <ochosi> fixed
[23:01] <ochosi> already pushed it
[23:01] <bluesabre> testing again
[23:01] <bluesabre> good to go
[23:01] <ochosi> yay
[23:02] <ochosi> enjoy the ice-cream
[23:02] <ochosi> i'll tag both releases then
[23:02] <bluesabre> thx
[23:02] <ochosi> thanks for doing the last-minute upload
[23:02] <bluesabre> it's my speciality
[23:02] <bluesabre> been doing it for years now
[23:02] <ochosi> :D
[23:03] <ochosi> it's gonna be a pretty awesome release actually
[23:03] <ochosi> much more goodness all over the place than expected
[23:03] <bluesabre> definitely
[23:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: Looks like the b/w versions are basically fallback, and incomplete in my testing.
[23:06] <Unit193> And yeah, really don't work so well in Qt, so I'd be in favor of symbola.
[23:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/elementary-xfce-0.11
[23:07] <Unit193> https://bugs.debian.org/893746
[23:31] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'm in favor of symbola for the consistency between desktops
[23:31] <bluesabre> ochosi: much appreciated
[23:36] <bluesabre> lol
[23:36] <bluesabre> something locked dpkg while I was installing updates
[23:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.22.7
[23:37] <ochosi> nighty!
[23:37] <ochosi> and thanks again
[23:37] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks! have a good night
[23:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also talked to the dh-autoreconf maintainer first, he'll look after bionic release.
[23:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: nice
[23:48] <Unit193> May I presume that you don't plan to migrate any of the packages to git?
[23:48] <bluesabre> not currently planning on git migrations, maybe before 18.04 release though
[23:49] <Unit193> (Meant pkg-xfce svn/git.)
[23:49] <bluesabre> probably not
[23:50] <bluesabre> you should see the messes I'm making in PAPT land
[23:50] <Unit193> There's a nice migration script at least!  But yeeah, I don't want to push any either. :3