[02:15] I PPA'd a thing. [05:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r674 Launchpad automatic translations update. (by Launchpad Translations on behalf of xubuntu-dev) [05:28] Sooo... [05:31] bluesabre: Which PPAs plan to support all of Bionic's lifecycle? [06:08] Unit193: yea - asking about core [06:09] "It contains only the latest and greatest virii" [06:10] :P [06:10] I didn't think it had gnome software [06:11] I, err, might heavily object to that, yes. [06:11] :D [06:11] It mainly has numlockx so you won't kill me. :3 [06:12] (Nah, underlaying stuff like that would be a bear to track down, only makes sense to seed.) [06:12] :) [06:13] So, would you heavily object if I asked about linking Core at the bottom of the least read release announcements/notes? [06:15] Unit193: nope - I'd not object to you asking about that, nor would I object to doing it :p [06:16] I entirely understand if the release people don't approve, tis fine. [06:16] on the techy one? https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/18.04/release-notes [06:16] assuming you've got access - add it there yourself - beforre Changelogs I think would be best [06:23] I think I do, also changelogs for xubuntu-(core,desktop,wallpapers) are for the binary packages, not sources, thus 404. [06:23] can you edit those at the same time then please :p [06:23] Yeah. [06:23] cheers - someone mentioned that a short while ago - and I forgot to do anything about it [06:26] Unit193: you realise that once 18.04 releases I'll copy that note to 18.10 - so anything you add will be there as well? [06:26] don't suppose that's an issue though until it's finally official ... [06:26] ... [06:44] Don't think I see any problem. [06:49] Unit193: I'll leave it to you then - if you've not got access - get it :D [06:49] or pm me what you want to say there [06:49] bbl [08:25] flocculant: you can remove bug 1756614 from the blueprint - it turned out the bug was entirely caused by a non-xubuntu package [08:25] bug 1756614 in indicator-cpufreq (Ubuntu) "indicator-cpufreq sets a bogus icon theme path" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756614 [10:25] !team | Opinion on color emoji? We opted to use the non-color Symbola emoji font for 18.04, but I wanted to confirm that there was a consensus on this. See below link for more information. [10:25] Opinion on color emoji? We opted to use the non-color Symbola emoji font for 18.04, but I wanted to confirm that there was a consensus on this. See below link for more information.: team is akxwi-dave, bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster and Unit193 [10:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1746310 [10:25] Launchpad bug 1746310 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Drop fonts-symbola from platform?" [Undecided,Fix released] [10:26] Color: https://ubuntucommunity.s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/original/1X/73d2960cc39ab675cf6ad2a0639d4791695edd74.jpg [10:26] Symbola: https://i.imgur.com/bnUpVoP.png [10:28] It should also be noted that this is only for support in GTK+ 3 applications. QT doesn't support it, Firefox ships their own support, and Chromium does it's own thing. [10:38] personally i don't think we need to ship any emoji... [10:44] that said, i guess if you want stuff like emoji, color is what you'd likely prefer [10:44] whether those fit into the xubuntu looks... dunno [12:38] hmm.. prefer the colour ones personally.. but very rarely use emojis 😺 🤭 😃 ⛷️🏍️🍗🥠🍧🌑📈📉🖇️📭🆗 [12:43] my I'm with knome, personally I don't see the need in shipping emojis but if we do, then I'd go with the colour ones [15:17] how do I fix this https://pastebin.com/PqZ7mEBR [17:44] bluesabre: I'm +1 to the majority - if there's no majority - I'm +1 what the dev team decide :p [19:00] ali1234: did that - pretty sure you could have too [19:03] flocculant: i'm not actually sure where the blueprint is. i only know that bug was on it cos of the little icon next to my list of bugs... [19:08] ali1234: ok :) [19:09] ftr you cand get to the blueprints from dev.xubuntu.org [19:38] color emoji! [19:51] I'm the only one that'd prefer symbola? We ship a lot of GTK2, and as stated the color option isn't supported in Qt. [19:54] yes [19:55] what happens in GTK2 apps when it "isn't supported"? [19:58] I presume it shows the typical 򒎃 [19:58] that won't do :( [19:58] I'd rather have them render B&W everywhere than broken in half the places [19:59] I don't know for sure, I have symbola. [20:23] meh, did i miss anything? [20:24] Since you disconnected or when? [20:30] yeah [20:30] stupid bouncer randomly reboots and doesn't reconnect irssi :/ [21:35] I'm fairly confused, I'm pretty sure I recently tried this but dropbox indicator works in sn-plug. [21:37] I'm wondering if a dropbox update in the meantime finally fixed it? [21:37] * Unit193 shrugs. [21:46] i'd say if it works now there [21:46] 's less to worry about [21:47] Unit193: any idea when/where/how the icon cache for elementary-xfce is created? [21:47] the -darkest variant doesn#t seem to have one for some reason [21:47] i thought it happens in the xubuntu-artwork package, but seemingly not [21:47] (or i overlooked it) [21:48] if which update-icon-caches >/dev/null 2>&1 ; then [21:48] update-icon-caches /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-darker [21:48] fi [21:54] ochosi: -darkest is just a symlink to -darker. [22:01] it isn't... it contains symlinks, but it is a real directory and needs its own icon cache [22:01] but the appearance dialog shows the corresponding warning [22:01] ali1234: thanks for reporting that bug, i had forgotten about it again... [22:11] $needs_cache = 1 if -f and (/\.png$/ or /\.svg$/ or /\.xpm$/ or /\.icon$/); [22:28] Unit193: right, so what do you suggest? just ignore the complaint of appearance settings and say it's expected? [22:28] ochosi: I simply answered as to "why" it was happening. [22:33] sry, my question wasn't ironic [22:33] just wondering how to best fix this or if at all [22:34] but currently still working on a greybird fix, so i'm happy if you'll take a look [22:35] Just making it clear I'm not saying we shouldn't, just "why" it's happening. One could simply add a rule like the above for darkest? [22:36] what does that do? search for those file types? [22:36] if so that's the problem. darkest doesn't contain any... it symlinks them. but it is still expected to have a cache [22:36] dh_icons is what generates the update-icon-caches command from above, that is the search method it uses. [22:37] I'd argue it should also look for index.theme. [22:37] right [22:37] really why search at all? [22:38] Unit193: i'd tend to agree: if searching at all, it should also search for index.theme [22:42] what are darker and darkest for anyway? [22:44] distinguishes between panel and toolbar stuff [22:44] so darker is bright icons for a dark panel and dark icons for the toolbar [22:45] and darkest is dark monochrome icons for panel and toolbar [22:45] all of that is completely superfluous with symbolic icons and gtk3 [22:46] so as soon as panel, thunar etc. are used in their gtk3 versions, we can get rid of all of that [22:48] re: emoji fonts, pretty sure the color emoji can only be rendered in gtk3, they'll be b&w everywhere else [22:49] I don't mind the b&w, but thought it was fair to ask [22:50] bluesabre: heya! i need your package update magic before UIF [22:50] what's my deadline? [22:51] i just pushed a boatload of updates to elementary-xfce, so that's pretty much ready to ship [22:51] ochosi: UIF is tomorrow :D [22:51] but in greybird from git master there is a tiny regression currently (only certain rare gtk2 widgets affected), unfortunately it seems hard to fix, but then again it would probably be bugfix anyway, no? [22:52] ochosi: if elementary-xfce is ready, I'll confirm the dangling icons are not present [22:52] ochosi: yes, bugfix [22:52] k [22:52] so i'll do a release of greybird and we'll see if i get to a bugfix before final freeze [22:52] I have something else for you with Greybird, in Chrome with GTK theme, the window controls are rendered 2x and blurry [22:52] and for elementary-xfce i'll do a release now [22:52] ochosi: waaaaait [22:52] and we can also pull them into xubuntu-artwork [22:52] one sec :) [22:52] hehe [22:53] i recently fixed some chrome rendering issues though with greybird, maybe different ones [22:53] can check [22:53] what version? [22:53] i have 64.0 [22:53] and the window controls with gtk look ok [22:54] but i also don't have hidpi [22:54] if that's what you're asking [22:54] the version I have at work... might be old :) [22:54] hehe [22:54] anyway, that's another bugfix imho [22:55] agreed [22:55] and not seeing it now [22:55] so maybe just fixed recently [22:55] what's only half-ready in greybird currently (and what i'm not going to finish for 18.04 probably) is the hidpi support for CSD [22:55] that's fair [22:55] but as xfwm4 also doesn't have a hidpi theme yet, it's probably not a huge problem [22:55] i'd love to add it, but i still lack some icons (the basic ones are there though) [22:56] and knome is slacking... :D [22:56] 1 sec might be more, lp:xubuntu-artwork is a behemoth [22:56] hehe, i know [22:56] i also added almost 1000 icon changes in the last days [22:56] drawing and scaling lots of crap [22:56] to be able to pull in all the upstream goodness [22:57] really did the cleaner emblems that landed sometime recently [22:57] *dig [22:57] which ones? the colored circles? [22:57] oh [22:58] that was a different theme [22:58] sorry for my infidelity [22:58] currently we don't really have that many emblems [22:58] :o [22:58] :D [22:58] it's ok, i'm sure you also switched to arc already ;) [22:58] (or whatever is hip these days) [22:58] ochosi: got a few dangling symlinks [22:59] Checking dangling symlinks (after) [22:59] lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/stock_delete.png -> edit-delete.png [22:59] lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/editdelete.png -> edit-delete.png [22:59] lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/stock_not.png -> edit-delete.png [22:59] lrwxrwxrwx 1 31 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/edit-delete.png -> ../../places/128/user-trash.png [22:59] lrwxrwxrwx 1 15 Mar 21 18:58 wip/elementary-xfce/actions/128/gtk-delete.png -> edit-delete.png [22:59] ochosi: actually prefer greybird these days [22:59] just the most compatible with everything [22:59] \o/ [22:59] is those all dangling symlinks? [22:59] i can quickly fix those.. [22:59] seemingly [23:00] once those are fixed, we should be in good shape [23:00] ready for both releases :) [23:00] going to get ice cream, bbiab [23:01] fixed [23:01] already pushed it [23:01] testing again [23:01] good to go [23:01] yay [23:02] enjoy the ice-cream [23:02] i'll tag both releases then [23:02] thx [23:02] thanks for doing the last-minute upload [23:02] it's my speciality [23:02] been doing it for years now [23:02] :D [23:03] it's gonna be a pretty awesome release actually [23:03] much more goodness all over the place than expected [23:03] definitely [23:06] bluesabre: Looks like the b/w versions are basically fallback, and incomplete in my testing. [23:06] And yeah, really don't work so well in Qt, so I'd be in favor of symbola. [23:07] bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/elementary-xfce-0.11 [23:07] https://bugs.debian.org/893746 [23:07] Debian bug 893746 in dh-autoreconf "dh-autoreconf: Consider adding support for Xfce packages (via xdt-autogen)" [Wishlist,Open] [23:31] Unit193: I'm in favor of symbola for the consistency between desktops [23:31] ochosi: much appreciated [23:36] lol [23:36] something locked dpkg while I was installing updates [23:37] bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v3.22.7 [23:37] nighty! [23:37] and thanks again [23:37] ochosi: thanks! have a good night [23:46] bluesabre: Also talked to the dh-autoreconf maintainer first, he'll look after bionic release. [23:47] Unit193: nice [23:48] May I presume that you don't plan to migrate any of the packages to git? [23:48] not currently planning on git migrations, maybe before 18.04 release though [23:49] (Meant pkg-xfce svn/git.) [23:49] probably not [23:50] you should see the messes I'm making in PAPT land [23:50] There's a nice migration script at least! But yeeah, I don't want to push any either. :3