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Trevinhoduflu: hey... Could you please check again those theme changes? Feel free to abstain if don't want to go through all the code, andrea might check them too but at least please check those fixes you requested :)04:36
dufluTrevinho, I'm over it so will probably abstain. Let's just get it done and then see if there are any remaining problems04:59
didrocksgood morning06:49
dufluMorning-ish didrocks06:50
didrockshey duflu!06:55
* tsimonq2 waves06:56
jibelgood morning all06:59
dufluMorning tsimonq2, jibel07:07
didrockshey jibel, tsimonq207:13
tsimonq2Yo :)07:15
tsimonq2I've been busy filing these: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=qt4-removal07:16
tsimonq2It might be a good idea to see if there's anything besides lightdm and libreoffice that the Desktop Team wants to pay particular attention to.07:16
tsimonq2I'm manually sifting through the list now and changing to removal bugs where necessary.07:17
tjaaltonduflu: I'll upload the new mesa rc with your patch today07:18
duflutjaalton, thanks07:18
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:42
* oSoMoN waves and dashes off to school07:42
tsimonq2o/ oSoMoN07:42
didrockshey oSoMoN07:52
Trevinhohey guys07:57
tsimonq2o/ Trevinho07:57
TrevinhoI need some eyes on https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/placessidebar-ambiance-rw-inspired/+merge/34187807:57
Trevinhoand other themes reviews, as they should land by tonight07:58
tsimonq2Hum, any reason why apps.ubuntu.com now redirects to some snap thing? It used to have some info about debs that now seems completely discarded...07:58
Trevinhodidrocks: maybe you can help in checking that ambiance-rw thing?07:59
TrevinhoOther MPs at https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3187 and PPA soon built with latest stuff...07:59
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didrocksTrevinho: at first glance, it looks good to me, but I can't test it and I've already spent a lot of review time this week compared to the telemetry work I need to finish, maybe check with L_aney once around?08:19
Trevinhodidrocks: ok no problem, maybe just add the ppa for some random testing...08:19
Trevinhodidrocks: it will be updated soon08:20
didrockssure08:20
mptandyrock, done08:51
jibelLaney, Hi, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/361601206/casper_1.391.debdiff09:00
jibelLaney, I'll test on a image with updates but it seems to do the trick09:00
Laneyhi there09:04
Laneyjibel: I'd install it to /etc as a non package manager owned location, and isn't snapd.service.wants better or doesn't that work for some reason?09:06
didrockshey Laney09:11
jibelLaney, what do you mean in /etc/ ?09:12
Laneynot /lib/09:12
Laneyyo didrocks09:12
Laneyhow are you?09:12
jibelLaney, units in /etc have to be symbolic links09:12
Laneyno09:13
Laneyit's just the local configuration directory09:14
jibelah in /etc/systemd/system, yeah, I can do that09:14
Laney09:17
jibel25adduser injects a unit in /lib09:18
LaneyI guess I didn't review that one09:19
dufluHere's a fun optical illusion for those wearing glasses: open the activities overview and highlight a window (orange border). Now look at the white cross (close button in the top-right corner). Depending on the angle you view the screen, the white circle moves around the orange circle, or even escapes it when viewed at an extreme angle09:30
dufluI thought it was a bug, but it's just optics09:31
oSoMoNduflu, I do see it, but it's quite subtle09:36
oSoMoNand on my screen even at an extreme angle the white circle never escapes the orange one09:36
dufluI guess you need thick-edged lenses09:36
oSoMoNI'm not short-sighted enough :)09:37
dufluoSoMoN, also this monitor is not in front of me. It's way off to the side09:42
sil2100duflu: hey!09:48
duflusil2100, hello09:48
sil2100duflu: I was looking at the xenial unapproved queue and saw a fix from you for ubuntu-themes - is that already fixed in bionic?09:48
sil2100duflu: also, would be nice if the bug had SRU info in the description ;)09:48
sil2100(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1725921)09:49
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1725921 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu Bionic) "[regression] Combobox menus have gray text on gray background" [High,In progress]09:49
duflusil2100, I didn't queue that :)09:49
duflusil2100, it was not meant to be queued, unless Trevinho is working on a release for it09:49
dufluI think he's aiming to fix a bunch of theme issues all at once soon09:50
duflusil2100, and no, the fix for bionic has not landed yet09:51
dufluBut both are there09:51
sil2100duflu: ok then, I'll wait for the bionic part to get released and the paperwork filled then - thanks!09:53
duflusil2100, any hint as to how it got queued?10:01
dufluI know at least one bot likes to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors prematurely when a patch is attached to (some) bugs, but that doesn't seem to be the case on this one10:03
* duflu shrugs and goes to make dinner10:03
didrocksTrevinho: also, maybe ask people to test the ppa in https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ambiance-gnome-theme-bugbears-and-what-can-be-done-about-them/1637/27?10:09
GunnarHjjbicha: Hi Jeremy, gnome-software seems to be untouched since yesterday, so please...11:55
jbichaok11:55
jbichagood morning11:55
GunnarHjMorning!11:55
jbichadidrocks: ubiquity is a pain. I don't think I'm going to make the UIF deadline11:55
didrocksok11:57
didrocksI guess if you pre-warn the documentation team about landing it after UIF, they won't take screenshot from day 111:57
jbichatranslations are the bigger problem11:59
jbichaI'll email the lists today though, good idea12:00
GunnarHjdidrocks, jbicha: Yeah, currently there is nothing about the installer in the desktop guide. So it sounds to be a pure translation thing - without knowing what it is. ;)12:05
jbichaGunnarHj: I'd like to get the one page of the installer to look more like https://goo.gl/DqtvZL12:06
GunnarHjjbicha: Wow, that looks like a big change. But a nice one.12:08
GunnarHjjbicha: A nice observation about the "Ubuntu Software" string: Rosetta makes use of the translations from xenial, so there is nothing new to translate for most languages.13:13
jbichaok, good13:14
Laneydon't umount /dev13:29
kenvandineLaney, is that a pro-tip?13:30
Laneyyep13:30
Laneytip of the day13:30
kenvandinei bet that makes the desktop super usable13:31
Laneyworst thing is you can't use sudo to get it back13:31
Laney/o\13:31
jbichadidrocks: do you know how debian/ubiquity.templates gets updated for new gtklabels?13:34
jbichaor cyphermox ^13:37
alexarnaudHello all13:39
alexarnaudDo you have any idea why the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1721797 is private ?13:40
ubot5Error: ubuntu bug 1721797 not found13:40
alexarnaudA user report us a crash about speech-dispatcher but the initial report seems private.13:41
alexarnaudWe would like to help to figure it out as crash of speech-dispatcher is not expected.13:41
didrocksjbicha: no, you need to update it manually13:43
jbichaok13:43
didrocksand then update the .pot in from there13:44
didrockss/in//13:44
jbichahmm?13:44
jbichahow do I update the pot?13:44
didrockscheck the previous commits, I even wrote it in the commit message :)13:44
didrocksas it wasn't obvious and I have to dive into the code :p13:44
didrocksIIRC, it's debconf-updatepo13:44
jbichabzr is a headache for that kind of thing. I'm guessing your comment is on your original branch13:45
didrocksoh right, probably subbranch13:46
didrocksI'm pretty sure it's debconf-updatepo, once you modified the .template file13:46
jbichathere's no real sort order to debian/ubiquity.templates is there?13:48
didrocksjbicha: I just try to group with other parts that were grouped logically13:51
didrocksI think just add next to where I added them13:51
jbichayeah13:51
willcookealexarnaud, there could be sensitive data in the logs.  I'm in a meeting so can't look in any depth right now, but I could subscribe you directly if you want to check it.  Or maybe jibel could take a look and make it public14:00
didrocksjbicha: FYI, you will need an ubiquity member to merge your branch, I'm not one of them14:03
Trevinhogood Laney are you still using the theme ppa? :)14:03
jbichadidrocks: yeah, that's one reason why it won't happen on time14:03
Laneyhey Trevinho, no but I can add it14:06
Laneydidrocks: want to be? :-)14:06
didrocksLaney: sounds like a trap :p so pass for this time14:07
didrocksmaybe try it once I'm drunk ;)14:07
didrocksskip*14:07
didrocks(my test just passed, hence the typo ;))14:07
Laney:<14:11
oSoMoNdidrocks, what time of the day are you usually drunk? ;)14:18
didrocksalmost never, that's the trick! :)14:18
jbichayay, I got ubiquity to build14:22
TrevinhoLaney: feel free, as you've to publish it soon anyways xD14:24
Laneyhmm14:25
LaneyI think the load of publishing bileto silos should be spread to other core-devs on the team too14:25
Laneynot that I mind helping most of the time14:26
TrevinhoLaney: yeah... I agree, you just happen to be the one I love to bother the most xD14:29
jbichaI think ubiquity even works14:29
TrevinhoLaney: ah actually since I've to publish a g-c-c change too, the debdiff is in a bug, want me to build the src package and you can dput it into that silo?14:30
TrevinhoLaney: anyway a part from the theme changes themselves which have been reviewed by andyrock too, I guess there you've just to double-check that debian change we did at the sprint14:33
Trevinhooh, if any of kenvandine or didrocks want to do the publishing of https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3187 feel free14:34
jbichadidrocks: can I push this? (totem adding to minimal remove list) https://paste.debian.net/1016025/14:35
didrocksTrevinho: all the branches are approved/reviewed/tested?14:36
Trevinhodidrocks: yep14:36
didrocksjbicha: have you tested it with extra codecs and ensure nothing is bringing back totem on the system?14:36
didrocksTrevinho: trusting you thus!14:36
Trevinhodidrocks: most of them are there for a while now, and I asked already during the sprint to test, so far andyrock was using it14:36
jbichadidrocks: no14:36
didrocksjbicha: :( I think I already requested that last time you talked about totem14:37
Trevinhodidrocks: not that I'm really in love with that dark sidebar but... well design ack'ed it xD14:37
jbichadidrocks: reverse-depends -c main src:totem says that nothing beside u-desktop recommends pulls it in14:37
Trevinhoeven a community comment isn't really appreciating it14:37
didrocksTrevinho: publishing, I'll let you finalize14:37
Trevinhodidrocks: ok thanks14:37
didrocksjbicha: you shoud still give a try, I had weird surprises with real testing14:37
jbichadidrocks: I don't understand why there would be a codecs problem, webkit2gtk depends on the gstreamer stuff14:38
didrocksjbicha: still, better testing than being sorry14:38
jbichadidrocks: is it better to push today because of UIF?14:38
didrocksjbicha: I told you what I thought, it needs testing14:38
didrocksso don't ask me if it's better to rush it or not14:38
didrocksespecially when it's nit the first time and explicitely told I didn't work on this totem removal as I didn't get time for testing. Updating the list is easy…14:39
jbichahey, if I really wanted to rush, I wouldn't have asked first :(14:39
didrocksI'm unsure why you ask then, knowing my answer…14:39
didrocksTrevinho: and done!14:40
Trevinhodidrocks: sweet, thanks14:40
juliankHeya! I installed bionic from a daily a few days ago, and connected my Google accounts, but the calendar does not work.14:40
* Trevinho prepares for the haters xD14:40
juliankIdeas for debugging that?14:41
juliankI installed evolution to look into accounts there, and it only shows mail & contacts for the GOA adapter accounts14:41
Trevinhoandyrock: ^?14:50
oSoMoNTrevinho, FYI, I just created https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3211 (will test it extensively before bothering you with a review request)14:52
TrevinhooSoMoN: is chrome now using that, right?15:06
oSoMoNTrevinho, they want to, which is why they requested multi-arch support15:06
TrevinhooSoMoN: I mean I was following an issue where they pushed the code to actually doing it :)15:07
TrevinhooSoMoN: anyway from my pov looks good, unfortunately I won't be able to publish that as distro changes are more for our beloved core devs :)15:07
oSoMoNTrevinho, yeah sure, just wanted to keep you posted15:07
Trevinhojuliank: fyi, I've the same issue when testing it15:07
juliankTrevinho: Awesome15:08
Trevinhojuliank: please open a bug, it's quite important fix I guess15:08
TrevinhooSoMoN: appreciated :)15:08
TrevinhoEven nextcloud seems to have some troubles...15:10
Trevinhohttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cZyA4aIf/image.png15:10
TrevinhoA part that it says "ownCloud" in the error15:10
TrevinhoI've 2fa enabled there, not sure it's related..15:11
Trevinhojuliank: also todo lists seems to have troubles though15:12
juliankTrevinho: I only looked at mail, calendar, contacts. is todo also exported to EDS?15:22
jbichajuliank: did you try restarting your computer?15:24
juliankheh, I tried restarting, readding, toggling on/off15:24
juliankit works fine on an artful->bionic upgrade15:25
jbichadidrocks: LP: #1758082 fyi15:35
ubot5Launchpad bug 1758082 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] Update ubiquity's Minimal Install page to match the spec" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175808215:35
jbichaLaney: I see you're on the ubiquity team. Do you have time today to review? ^15:36
Trevinhojuliank: mh, something wrong in init then15:37
Trevinhojuliank: todo should use google tasks I think15:37
Trevinhoas it gives the ability to use it15:37
jibeljbicha, this is just a string change?15:38
juliankTrevinho: It's integrated, but can't create lists15:39
jbichajibel: strings, converting a checkbox to radiobox, and rearranging15:39
juliankor show lists15:39
Trevinhojuliank: me neither... is did it work in artful?15:39
juliankno idea15:40
jibeljuliank, I can have a look15:40
jibeljbicha, ^ that was for you15:40
juliankI can check if it works in the bionic I upgraded from artful15:40
jibelsorry juliank15:40
jbichajibel: thanks (no actual python code changes)15:40
juliankoh, I don't have it booted15:41
jbichajibel: the padding looks a bit wrong to me, maybe that will be fixed later (it at least won't affect translations or ubuntu-docs)15:42
jibeltoo many j's talking confused weechat :)15:42
juliankjibel: lol15:45
willcookeLaney, FYI:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/175808915:46
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1758089 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "18.04 default wallpapers" [Undecided,New]15:46
Laneyjbicha: hmm, I'm not sure, maybe if it's small15:46
Laneywould it be hard for you to re-push with the .py changes in a separate commit?15:46
willcookeI'll try and diddle with the PNG a bit and see if I can make it any smaller. WDYT about making it 4k instead of 8k - should be fine?15:46
Laneywillcooke: thx15:46
jbichaLaney: jibel is looking instead. Thanks15:46
jbichathere are no .py changes, just .ui changes and the translation noise15:47
Laneyok then imagine I said substantive instead of .py, you know what I was getting at15:47
jbichajibel: Laney: merge proposal updated with it split into multiple commits15:54
jibeljbicha, is it ready for review or you still have some changes to do?15:56
jbichajibel: it's ready for review from my side. I don't have any planned changes to make15:56
jibelgood. Thanks15:57
Laneywillcooke: 4k doesn't reduce the size that much16:07
Laneyboohoo16:07
Laneywell it's 5M, so in percentage terms that's not bad but still big16:07
willcookebah16:08
willcookeShould we use the JPG then?16:08
willcookepngcrush failed me this time16:08
willcookeMaybe gimp can help, lemme try16:09
GunnarHjThe links on pages browsed with yelp are blue (up to 17.10 they are orange). Is that change intentional / desirable?16:10
willcookeLaney, ah, Gimp docs says use JPG for things with lots of colours16:10
Laneyit's ok, but we have to lie and call it a .png anyway16:12
Laneynot sure why this is so much bigger than the artful one16:12
GunnarHjjbicha: Shaun says that the broken install: links is a yelp issue. He also confirm that they don't work on Fedora either.16:13
GunnarHjhttps://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2018-March/msg00096.html16:13
jbichaGunnarHj: please file a bug against ubuntu-themes for the blue links. I confirm that the links were orange before https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/16.10+18.04.20180122.1-0ubuntu116:19
jbichadidrocks: how am I supposed to test the minimal install file? edit the iso and replace the casper/ file?16:22
Laneycopy it somewhere you can write to16:22
Laneyedit the source of ubiquity to point to that :-)16:22
jbichalol ok16:22
Laneyor you can maybe like bind mount a file on top of it16:22
Laneyhaven't tried that though16:23
jbichatesting the installer is fun16:23
jibelwillcooke, not sure you can do better with a gradient so smooth and a png16:25
Laneyhow did artful's wallpaper do it?16:25
jbichadidrocks: I did the minimal totem-less install. Could you be more specific about what kind of testing you want me to do now?16:38
jibelLaney, if you zoom in, the gradient is different, there are large uniform area in artful, while it's all pixelated for bionic16:42
jibelit's visible in the dark pink areas16:43
jibelhttps://imgur.com/a/crSkX16:44
jibelleft is A, right is B16:45
jibelwillcooke, I think you need a better source image16:45
willcookejibel, thanks, I'll ask design and see if they can make the gradients less, err, graduated16:55
alexarnaudwillcooke: OK, if you could subscribe me maybe it could be helpful.16:55
alexarnaudSorry for the late reply, I was in call with a user ^^.16:56
didrocksjbicha: basically, you can boot in the live session, and replace te file before starting the install17:02
didrocksbefore starting ubiquity*17:02
didrocksjbicha: then, you proceed the install (checking additional drivers)17:02
didrocksand reboot17:02
didrockscheck that you don't have totem or anything on your new list on the installation17:03
jbichaok, sounds simple enough17:04
didrocksit really is :)17:04
didrocksjust takes time17:04
jibelwillcooke, possibly the conversion to indexed colors did this. I'm down to 2.5MB by converting to RGB and blurring the image a bit.17:08
jibeland ... /me -> EOD17:08
jbichajibel: so ubiquity merge proposal tomorrow maybe?17:10
jibeljbicha, surely tomorrow.17:14
jbichagreat, thanks17:15
jbichaTrevinho: g-c-c from LP: #1757471 wasn't uploaded. Do you want me to do that?18:04
ubot5Launchpad bug 1757471 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Remove local theme changes" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175747118:05
willcookeg'night all18:25
Trevinhojbicha: oh yes thanks18:37
Trevinhojbicha: I actually wanted to include it in the ppa, but eventually I forgot18:37
jbichareally nice to have lists working better. I think that was one of the big annoyances in GNOME Builder too18:39
acheronukjbicha: ubuntu minimal install keeps totem?18:39
jbichaacheronuk: it does today, but I'm trying to change that :) https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu-seeds/minimal-remove-totem/+merge/34192118:40
acheronukhmmm. for kubuntu, I'm not sure I want to boot vlc off. the wording of the minimal install options suggest this would happen18:43
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acheronukjbicha: kubuntu also doesn't include any games18:45
jbichaacheronuk: I think you could add a different label for Kubuntu then. It's a bit of a pain to update ubiquity but it's do-able :)18:47
jbichawe're removing Totem for Minimal Install, in part because VLC is so popular! ;)18:48
jbichagnome-mpv is a popular choice too on GTK desktops18:48
acheronukjbicha: yep. I will look into that (or scream for help to cyphermox)18:48
acheronukI use smplayer with mpv mostly18:48
jbicha(we also remove Rhythmbox in Ubuntu Desktop Minimal)18:49
acheronukyeah, I took cantata (jukebox) off for kubuntu, but would quite like to leave a basic player18:50
jbichathe string might still work then? Something to think about…18:50
jbichaa media player is a basic utility in my opinion (and it's part of why it was still there until today)18:51
jbichabut there's so many choices of media players and a Minimal Install is useful for people who like to choose18:51
acheronukor maybe just tweaked slightly? s/media player/extra media players/18:51
jbichaacheronuk: would a PPA with my ubiquity merge proposal be useful for you to try?19:34
acheronukjbicha: yeah, that would be good. seems like it should be ok on flavours, but always best to check19:36
jbichaacheronuk: https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/temp-ubiquity/+packages20:03
acheronukjbicha: thanks. just doing tests on something else, but I'll try to run through 2 variants of an install shortly20:04
kenvandinegood morning robert_ancell20:07
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acheronukjbicha: KDE front end is the same as before, which I asume you intend?22:24
acheronukjbicha: oh, not unchanged. just not with the new radio box etc22:32

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