[04:36] <Trevinho> duflu: hey... Could you please check again those theme changes? Feel free to abstain if don't want to go through all the code, andrea might check them too but at least please check those fixes you requested :)
[04:59] <duflu> Trevinho, I'm over it so will probably abstain. Let's just get it done and then see if there are any remaining problems
[06:49] <didrocks> good morning
[06:50] <duflu> Morning-ish didrocks
[06:55] <didrocks> hey duflu!
[06:56]  * tsimonq2 waves
[06:59] <jibel> good morning all
[07:07] <duflu> Morning tsimonq2, jibel
[07:13] <didrocks> hey jibel, tsimonq2
[07:15] <tsimonq2> Yo :)
[07:16] <tsimonq2> I've been busy filing these: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=qt4-removal
[07:16] <tsimonq2> It might be a good idea to see if there's anything besides lightdm and libreoffice that the Desktop Team wants to pay particular attention to.
[07:17] <tsimonq2> I'm manually sifting through the list now and changing to removal bugs where necessary.
[07:18] <tjaalton> duflu: I'll upload the new mesa rc with your patch today
[07:18] <duflu> tjaalton, thanks
[07:42] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:42]  * oSoMoN waves and dashes off to school
[07:42] <tsimonq2> o/ oSoMoN
[07:52] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN
[07:57] <Trevinho> hey guys
[07:57] <tsimonq2> o/ Trevinho
[07:57] <Trevinho> I need some eyes on https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/placessidebar-ambiance-rw-inspired/+merge/341878
[07:58] <Trevinho> and other themes reviews, as they should land by tonight
[07:58] <tsimonq2> Hum, any reason why apps.ubuntu.com now redirects to some snap thing? It used to have some info about debs that now seems completely discarded...
[07:59] <Trevinho> didrocks: maybe you can help in checking that ambiance-rw thing?
[07:59] <Trevinho> Other MPs at https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3187 and PPA soon built with latest stuff...
[08:19] <didrocks> Trevinho: at first glance, it looks good to me, but I can't test it and I've already spent a lot of review time this week compared to the telemetry work I need to finish, maybe check with L_aney once around?
[08:19] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok no problem, maybe just add the ppa for some random testing...
[08:20] <Trevinho> didrocks: it will be updated soon
[08:20] <didrocks> sure
[08:51] <mpt> andyrock, done
[09:00] <jibel> Laney, Hi, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/361601206/casper_1.391.debdiff
[09:00] <jibel> Laney, I'll test on a image with updates but it seems to do the trick
[09:04] <Laney> hi there
[09:06] <Laney> jibel: I'd install it to /etc as a non package manager owned location, and isn't snapd.service.wants better or doesn't that work for some reason?
[09:11] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:12] <jibel> Laney, what do you mean in /etc/ ?
[09:12] <Laney> not /lib/
[09:12] <Laney> yo didrocks
[09:12] <Laney> how are you?
[09:12] <jibel> Laney, units in /etc have to be symbolic links
[09:13] <Laney> no
[09:14] <Laney> it's just the local configuration directory
[09:14] <jibel> ah in /etc/systemd/system, yeah, I can do that
[09:17] <Laney> ♥
[09:18] <jibel> 25adduser injects a unit in /lib
[09:19] <Laney> I guess I didn't review that one
[09:30] <duflu> Here's a fun optical illusion for those wearing glasses: open the activities overview and highlight a window (orange border). Now look at the white cross (close button in the top-right corner). Depending on the angle you view the screen, the white circle moves around the orange circle, or even escapes it when viewed at an extreme angle
[09:31] <duflu> I thought it was a bug, but it's just optics
[09:36] <oSoMoN> duflu, I do see it, but it's quite subtle
[09:36] <oSoMoN> and on my screen even at an extreme angle the white circle never escapes the orange one
[09:36] <duflu> I guess you need thick-edged lenses
[09:37] <oSoMoN> I'm not short-sighted enough :)
[09:42] <duflu> oSoMoN, also this monitor is not in front of me. It's way off to the side
[09:48] <sil2100> duflu: hey!
[09:48] <duflu> sil2100, hello
[09:48] <sil2100> duflu: I was looking at the xenial unapproved queue and saw a fix from you for ubuntu-themes - is that already fixed in bionic?
[09:48] <sil2100> duflu: also, would be nice if the bug had SRU info in the description ;)
[09:49] <sil2100> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1725921)
[09:49] <duflu> sil2100, I didn't queue that :)
[09:49] <duflu> sil2100, it was not meant to be queued, unless Trevinho is working on a release for it
[09:50] <duflu> I think he's aiming to fix a bunch of theme issues all at once soon
[09:51] <duflu> sil2100, and no, the fix for bionic has not landed yet
[09:51] <duflu> But both are there
[09:53] <sil2100> duflu: ok then, I'll wait for the bionic part to get released and the paperwork filled then - thanks!
[10:01] <duflu> sil2100, any hint as to how it got queued?
[10:03] <duflu> I know at least one bot likes to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors prematurely when a patch is attached to (some) bugs, but that doesn't seem to be the case on this one
[10:03]  * duflu shrugs and goes to make dinner
[10:09] <didrocks> Trevinho: also, maybe ask people to test the ppa in https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ambiance-gnome-theme-bugbears-and-what-can-be-done-about-them/1637/27?
[11:55] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hi Jeremy, gnome-software seems to be untouched since yesterday, so please...
[11:55] <jbicha> ok
[11:55] <jbicha> good morning
[11:55] <GunnarHj> Morning!
[11:55] <jbicha> didrocks: ubiquity is a pain. I don't think I'm going to make the UIF deadline
[11:57] <didrocks> ok
[11:57] <didrocks> I guess if you pre-warn the documentation team about landing it after UIF, they won't take screenshot from day 1
[11:59] <jbicha> translations are the bigger problem
[12:00] <jbicha> I'll email the lists today though, good idea
[12:05] <GunnarHj> didrocks, jbicha: Yeah, currently there is nothing about the installer in the desktop guide. So it sounds to be a pure translation thing - without knowing what it is. ;)
[12:06] <jbicha> GunnarHj: I'd like to get the one page of the installer to look more like https://goo.gl/DqtvZL
[12:08] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Wow, that looks like a big change. But a nice one.
[13:13] <GunnarHj> jbicha: A nice observation about the "Ubuntu Software" string: Rosetta makes use of the translations from xenial, so there is nothing new to translate for most languages.
[13:14] <jbicha> ok, good
[13:29] <Laney> don't umount /dev
[13:30] <kenvandine> Laney, is that a pro-tip?
[13:30] <Laney> yep
[13:30] <Laney> tip of the day
[13:31] <kenvandine> i bet that makes the desktop super usable
[13:31] <Laney> worst thing is you can't use sudo to get it back
[13:31] <Laney> /o\
[13:34] <jbicha> didrocks: do you know how debian/ubiquity.templates gets updated for new gtklabels?
[13:37] <jbicha> or cyphermox ^
[13:39] <alexarnaud> Hello all
[13:40] <alexarnaud> Do you have any idea why the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1721797 is private ?
[13:41] <alexarnaud> A user report us a crash about speech-dispatcher but the initial report seems private.
[13:41] <alexarnaud> We would like to help to figure it out as crash of speech-dispatcher is not expected.
[13:43] <didrocks> jbicha: no, you need to update it manually
[13:43] <jbicha> ok
[13:44] <didrocks> and then update the .pot in from there
[13:44] <didrocks> s/in//
[13:44] <jbicha> hmm?
[13:44] <jbicha> how do I update the pot?
[13:44] <didrocks> check the previous commits, I even wrote it in the commit message :)
[13:44] <didrocks> as it wasn't obvious and I have to dive into the code :p
[13:44] <didrocks> IIRC, it's debconf-updatepo
[13:45] <jbicha> bzr is a headache for that kind of thing. I'm guessing your comment is on your original branch
[13:46] <didrocks> oh right, probably subbranch
[13:46] <didrocks> I'm pretty sure it's debconf-updatepo, once you modified the .template file
[13:48] <jbicha> there's no real sort order to debian/ubiquity.templates is there?
[13:51] <didrocks> jbicha: I just try to group with other parts that were grouped logically
[13:51] <didrocks> I think just add next to where I added them
[13:51] <jbicha> yeah
[14:00] <willcooke> alexarnaud, there could be sensitive data in the logs.  I'm in a meeting so can't look in any depth right now, but I could subscribe you directly if you want to check it.  Or maybe jibel could take a look and make it public
[14:03] <didrocks> jbicha: FYI, you will need an ubiquity member to merge your branch, I'm not one of them
[14:03] <Trevinho> good Laney are you still using the theme ppa? :)
[14:03] <jbicha> didrocks: yeah, that's one reason why it won't happen on time
[14:06] <Laney> hey Trevinho, no but I can add it
[14:06] <Laney> didrocks: want to be? :-)
[14:07] <didrocks> Laney: sounds like a trap :p so pass for this time
[14:07] <didrocks> maybe try it once I'm drunk ;)
[14:07] <didrocks> skip*
[14:07] <didrocks> (my test just passed, hence the typo ;))
[14:11] <Laney> :<
[14:18] <oSoMoN> didrocks, what time of the day are you usually drunk? ;)
[14:18] <didrocks> almost never, that's the trick! :)
[14:22] <jbicha> yay, I got ubiquity to build
[14:24] <Trevinho> Laney: feel free, as you've to publish it soon anyways xD
[14:25] <Laney> hmm
[14:25] <Laney> I think the load of publishing bileto silos should be spread to other core-devs on the team too
[14:26] <Laney> not that I mind helping most of the time
[14:29] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah... I agree, you just happen to be the one I love to bother the most xD
[14:29] <jbicha> I think ubiquity even works
[14:30] <Trevinho> Laney: ah actually since I've to publish a g-c-c change too, the debdiff is in a bug, want me to build the src package and you can dput it into that silo?
[14:33] <Trevinho> Laney: anyway a part from the theme changes themselves which have been reviewed by andyrock too, I guess there you've just to double-check that debian change we did at the sprint
[14:34] <Trevinho> oh, if any of kenvandine or didrocks want to do the publishing of https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3187 feel free
[14:35] <jbicha> didrocks: can I push this? (totem adding to minimal remove list) https://paste.debian.net/1016025/
[14:36] <didrocks> Trevinho: all the branches are approved/reviewed/tested?
[14:36] <Trevinho> didrocks: yep
[14:36] <didrocks> jbicha: have you tested it with extra codecs and ensure nothing is bringing back totem on the system?
[14:36] <didrocks> Trevinho: trusting you thus!
[14:36] <Trevinho> didrocks: most of them are there for a while now, and I asked already during the sprint to test, so far andyrock was using it
[14:36] <jbicha> didrocks: no
[14:37] <didrocks> jbicha: :( I think I already requested that last time you talked about totem
[14:37] <Trevinho> didrocks: not that I'm really in love with that dark sidebar but... well design ack'ed it xD
[14:37] <jbicha> didrocks: reverse-depends -c main src:totem says that nothing beside u-desktop recommends pulls it in
[14:37] <Trevinho> even a community comment isn't really appreciating it
[14:37] <didrocks> Trevinho: publishing, I'll let you finalize
[14:37] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok thanks
[14:37] <didrocks> jbicha: you shoud still give a try, I had weird surprises with real testing
[14:38] <jbicha> didrocks: I don't understand why there would be a codecs problem, webkit2gtk depends on the gstreamer stuff
[14:38] <didrocks> jbicha: still, better testing than being sorry
[14:38] <jbicha> didrocks: is it better to push today because of UIF?
[14:38] <didrocks> jbicha: I told you what I thought, it needs testing
[14:38] <didrocks> so don't ask me if it's better to rush it or not
[14:39] <didrocks> especially when it's nit the first time and explicitely told I didn't work on this totem removal as I didn't get time for testing. Updating the list is easy…
[14:39] <jbicha> hey, if I really wanted to rush, I wouldn't have asked first :(
[14:39] <didrocks> I'm unsure why you ask then, knowing my answer…
[14:40] <didrocks> Trevinho: and done!
[14:40] <Trevinho> didrocks: sweet, thanks
[14:40] <juliank> Heya! I installed bionic from a daily a few days ago, and connected my Google accounts, but the calendar does not work.
[14:40]  * Trevinho prepares for the haters xD
[14:41] <juliank> Ideas for debugging that?
[14:41] <juliank> I installed evolution to look into accounts there, and it only shows mail & contacts for the GOA adapter accounts
[14:50] <Trevinho> andyrock: ^?
[14:52] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, FYI, I just created https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3211 (will test it extensively before bothering you with a review request)
[15:06] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: is chrome now using that, right?
[15:06] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, they want to, which is why they requested multi-arch support
[15:07] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: I mean I was following an issue where they pushed the code to actually doing it :)
[15:07] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: anyway from my pov looks good, unfortunately I won't be able to publish that as distro changes are more for our beloved core devs :)
[15:07] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, yeah sure, just wanted to keep you posted
[15:07] <Trevinho> juliank: fyi, I've the same issue when testing it
[15:08] <juliank> Trevinho: Awesome
[15:08] <Trevinho> juliank: please open a bug, it's quite important fix I guess
[15:08] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: appreciated :)
[15:10] <Trevinho> Even nextcloud seems to have some troubles...
[15:10] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cZyA4aIf/image.png
[15:10] <Trevinho> A part that it says "ownCloud" in the error
[15:11] <Trevinho> I've 2fa enabled there, not sure it's related..
[15:12] <Trevinho> juliank: also todo lists seems to have troubles though
[15:22] <juliank> Trevinho: I only looked at mail, calendar, contacts. is todo also exported to EDS?
[15:24] <jbicha> juliank: did you try restarting your computer?
[15:24] <juliank> heh, I tried restarting, readding, toggling on/off
[15:25] <juliank> it works fine on an artful->bionic upgrade
[15:35] <jbicha> didrocks: LP: #1758082 fyi
[15:36] <jbicha> Laney: I see you're on the ubiquity team. Do you have time today to review? ^
[15:37] <Trevinho> juliank: mh, something wrong in init then
[15:37] <Trevinho> juliank: todo should use google tasks I think
[15:37] <Trevinho> as it gives the ability to use it
[15:38] <jibel> jbicha, this is just a string change?
[15:39] <juliank> Trevinho: It's integrated, but can't create lists
[15:39] <jbicha> jibel: strings, converting a checkbox to radiobox, and rearranging
[15:39] <juliank> or show lists
[15:39] <Trevinho> juliank: me neither... is did it work in artful?
[15:40] <juliank> no idea
[15:40] <jibel> juliank, I can have a look
[15:40] <jibel> jbicha, ^ that was for you
[15:40] <juliank> I can check if it works in the bionic I upgraded from artful
[15:40] <jibel> sorry juliank
[15:40] <jbicha> jibel: thanks (no actual python code changes)
[15:41] <juliank> oh, I don't have it booted
[15:42] <jbicha> jibel: the padding looks a bit wrong to me, maybe that will be fixed later (it at least won't affect translations or ubuntu-docs)
[15:42] <jibel> too many j's talking confused weechat :)
[15:45] <juliank> jibel: lol
[15:46] <willcooke> Laney, FYI:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1758089
[15:46] <Laney> jbicha: hmm, I'm not sure, maybe if it's small
[15:46] <Laney> would it be hard for you to re-push with the .py changes in a separate commit?
[15:46] <willcooke> I'll try and diddle with the PNG a bit and see if I can make it any smaller. WDYT about making it 4k instead of 8k - should be fine?
[15:46] <Laney> willcooke: thx
[15:46] <jbicha> Laney: jibel is looking instead. Thanks
[15:47] <jbicha> there are no .py changes, just .ui changes and the translation noise
[15:47] <Laney> ok then imagine I said substantive instead of .py, you know what I was getting at
[15:54] <jbicha> jibel: Laney: merge proposal updated with it split into multiple commits
[15:56] <jibel> jbicha, is it ready for review or you still have some changes to do?
[15:56] <jbicha> jibel: it's ready for review from my side. I don't have any planned changes to make
[15:57] <jibel> good. Thanks
[16:07] <Laney> willcooke: 4k doesn't reduce the size that much
[16:07] <Laney> boohoo
[16:07] <Laney> well it's 5M, so in percentage terms that's not bad but still big
[16:08] <willcooke> bah
[16:08] <willcooke> Should we use the JPG then?
[16:08] <willcooke> pngcrush failed me this time
[16:09] <willcooke> Maybe gimp can help, lemme try
[16:10] <GunnarHj> The links on pages browsed with yelp are blue (up to 17.10 they are orange). Is that change intentional / desirable?
[16:10] <willcooke> Laney, ah, Gimp docs says use JPG for things with lots of colours
[16:12] <Laney> it's ok, but we have to lie and call it a .png anyway
[16:12] <Laney> not sure why this is so much bigger than the artful one
[16:13] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Shaun says that the broken install: links is a yelp issue. He also confirm that they don't work on Fedora either.
[16:13] <GunnarHj> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2018-March/msg00096.html
[16:19] <jbicha> GunnarHj: please file a bug against ubuntu-themes for the blue links. I confirm that the links were orange before https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/16.10+18.04.20180122.1-0ubuntu1
[16:22] <jbicha> didrocks: how am I supposed to test the minimal install file? edit the iso and replace the casper/ file?
[16:22] <Laney> copy it somewhere you can write to
[16:22] <Laney> edit the source of ubiquity to point to that :-)
[16:22] <jbicha> lol ok
[16:22] <Laney> or you can maybe like bind mount a file on top of it
[16:23] <Laney> haven't tried that though
[16:23] <jbicha> testing the installer is fun
[16:25] <jibel> willcooke, not sure you can do better with a gradient so smooth and a png
[16:25] <Laney> how did artful's wallpaper do it?
[16:38] <jbicha> didrocks: I did the minimal totem-less install. Could you be more specific about what kind of testing you want me to do now?
[16:42] <jibel> Laney, if you zoom in, the gradient is different, there are large uniform area in artful, while it's all pixelated for bionic
[16:43] <jibel> it's visible in the dark pink areas
[16:44] <jibel> https://imgur.com/a/crSkX
[16:45] <jibel> left is A, right is B
[16:45] <jibel> willcooke, I think you need a better source image
[16:55] <willcooke> jibel, thanks, I'll ask design and see if they can make the gradients less, err, graduated
[16:55] <alexarnaud> willcooke: OK, if you could subscribe me maybe it could be helpful.
[16:56] <alexarnaud> Sorry for the late reply, I was in call with a user ^^.
[17:02] <didrocks> jbicha: basically, you can boot in the live session, and replace te file before starting the install
[17:02] <didrocks> before starting ubiquity*
[17:02] <didrocks> jbicha: then, you proceed the install (checking additional drivers)
[17:02] <didrocks> and reboot
[17:03] <didrocks> check that you don't have totem or anything on your new list on the installation
[17:04] <jbicha> ok, sounds simple enough
[17:04] <didrocks> it really is :)
[17:04] <didrocks> just takes time
[17:08] <jibel> willcooke, possibly the conversion to indexed colors did this. I'm down to 2.5MB by converting to RGB and blurring the image a bit.
[17:08] <jibel> and ... /me -> EOD
[17:10] <jbicha> jibel: so ubiquity merge proposal tomorrow maybe?
[17:14] <jibel> jbicha, surely tomorrow.
[17:15] <jbicha> great, thanks
[18:04] <jbicha> Trevinho: g-c-c from LP: #1757471 wasn't uploaded. Do you want me to do that?
[18:25] <willcooke> g'night all
[18:37] <Trevinho> jbicha: oh yes thanks
[18:37] <Trevinho> jbicha: I actually wanted to include it in the ppa, but eventually I forgot
[18:39] <jbicha> really nice to have lists working better. I think that was one of the big annoyances in GNOME Builder too
[18:39] <acheronuk> jbicha: ubuntu minimal install keeps totem?
[18:40] <jbicha> acheronuk: it does today, but I'm trying to change that :) https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu-seeds/minimal-remove-totem/+merge/341921
[18:43] <acheronuk> hmmm. for kubuntu, I'm not sure I want to boot vlc off. the wording of the minimal install options suggest this would happen
[18:45] <acheronuk> jbicha: kubuntu also doesn't include any games
[18:47] <jbicha> acheronuk: I think you could add a different label for Kubuntu then. It's a bit of a pain to update ubiquity but it's do-able :)
[18:48] <jbicha> we're removing Totem for Minimal Install, in part because VLC is so popular! ;)
[18:48] <jbicha> gnome-mpv is a popular choice too on GTK desktops
[18:48] <acheronuk> jbicha: yep. I will look into that (or scream for help to cyphermox)
[18:48] <acheronuk> I use smplayer with mpv mostly
[18:49] <jbicha> (we also remove Rhythmbox in Ubuntu Desktop Minimal)
[18:50] <acheronuk> yeah, I took cantata (jukebox) off for kubuntu, but would quite like to leave a basic player
[18:50] <jbicha> the string might still work then? Something to think about…
[18:51] <jbicha> a media player is a basic utility in my opinion (and it's part of why it was still there until today)
[18:51] <jbicha> but there's so many choices of media players and a Minimal Install is useful for people who like to choose
[18:51] <acheronuk> or maybe just tweaked slightly? s/media player/extra media players/
[19:34] <jbicha> acheronuk: would a PPA with my ubiquity merge proposal be useful for you to try?
[19:36] <acheronuk> jbicha: yeah, that would be good. seems like it should be ok on flavours, but always best to check
[20:03] <jbicha> acheronuk: https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/temp-ubiquity/+packages
[20:04] <acheronuk> jbicha: thanks. just doing tests on something else, but I'll try to run through 2 variants of an install shortly
[20:07] <kenvandine> good morning robert_ancell
[22:24] <acheronuk> jbicha: KDE front end is the same as before, which I asume you intend?
[22:32] <acheronuk> jbicha: oh, not unchanged. just not with the new radio box etc