[00:00] aljoni: same desktop unless the server is running multiple DEs, then you can configure which to access [00:00] pavlos: Same desktop isn't an option. With VNC, when it works, you can multiple instances. [00:00] aljoni: nomachine nx supports multiple simultaneous users with their own desktops, as does x2go [00:01] I tried connecting from a different computer and it kicked the other one off [00:02] akik: This one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX [00:02] bugzbunny: freenx is dead [00:03] aljoni: of course you can't use the same username in both sessions [00:03] akik: k [00:03] akik: Why not? VNC and xRDP allow for that. Can be quite useful actually. [00:04] aljoni: it tries to use your $HOME and settings under it which doesn't work [00:04] aljoni: I guess you can run unity with userA on altF7 and xfce with userB on altF8 [00:04] Installing XFCE or another DE is not an option. [00:07] I've gotten a little further with VNC, I get the wallpaper now, but nothing else [00:08] aljoni: then add some xterm in the xstartup options, hopefully it will pop up [00:08] https://linode.com/docs/applications/remote-desktop/install-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04/ [00:09] That guide shows getting a full desktop, I didn't after following it. [00:10] aljoni: it installs gnome-panel and other gnome stuff [00:10] pavlos: I followed the guide, and I didn't get the same result. [00:10] aljoni: same idea as installing xfce4 for remote use only [00:11] pavlos: The result looks like a unity desktop to me: https://linode.com/docs/assets/1643-vnc-ubuntu-3_small.png [00:12] aljoni: I'm not going to test that guide ... but I have installed xfce4 just for remote access. System continues to work as unity but the startup files call xfce [00:13] pavlos: I understand that. If I could install xfce for this, I would have already done it/ [00:13] aljoni: why can't you install other desktops? [00:13] aljoni: I dont know your requirements, seem very tight, I'm just telling you options. [00:14] akik: My boss says I have to use clean ubuntu. When I told him Unity doesn't play well with VNC he said "that sounds unlikely to me, I'm SURE there is a way". [00:15] "clean ubuntu", for example: no xubuntu, or other desktop installed [00:15] aljoni: It has to be lts? [00:15] aljoni: I'd say something to your boss but this is a family channel [00:15] aljoni: xubuntu is an official ubuntu flavor [00:16] The next lts will be on Gnome? [00:16] as Lubuntu [00:16] bugzbunny: gnome3 [00:16] Just add that to a list of ideas [00:16] akik: I told him that, but he had a concern of "what happens in the future if they stop updating it, what will we do then. I dont see normal ubuntu going anywhere" [00:17] heh [00:17] what is normal ubuntu? it changes from release to release [00:17] Yeah, using it as a server. It needs a GUI though for the applications were using. [00:18] aljoni: install Xubuntu or Lubuntu, they will not go away [00:18] akik: I have no idea. He told me I have to use normal ubuntu, not any other flavour. He says "in the real world when you're told you have to use certain software, or there or other requirements, then you do as you're told" [00:18] pavlos: I'd love to do that, make this much easier. Not allowed to though. [00:19] Just wait till April, then you have Regular Ubuntu (Gnome). [00:19] Have to get this server up and running now. [00:19] Why can't you use vino ? [00:19] can ya ssh intot he server? [00:20] aljoni: unity was "normal" for 16.04 then Canonical changed to gnome3 (18.04). Wayland was another X but now it will be Xorg. Change happens. [00:20] Can SSH into it, but using desktop applications. I know about X11 forwarding over SSH but really not that easy to use the software that way. [00:20] tunneling x11 over ssh is slow [00:20] oh kk [00:20] I feel like I might be able to bodge this somehow, but I have to idea yet. [00:21] Use Team viewer it plays well with all flavors [00:21] aljoni: Have you tried vino? [00:21] What's vino? [00:21] aljoni: The default vlc server in Ubuntu. [00:21] Can't use TeamViewer, connection goes through other people's servers. [00:22] aljoni: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers#vino [00:22] How can I configure that via. the terminal? Server is in a closet elsewhere at the moment, can SSH into the box but physical access to configure isn't an option at the moment. [00:23] aljoni: what vnc are you using? [00:23] aljoni: There is almost certainly a way to configure it via the terminal. That said, it might be faster to run "gnome-control-center" via ssh -X. [00:23] Pan51: I've tried: tightvnc, tigervnc, ultravnc [00:24] https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/12152/how-secure-is-teamviewer-for-simple-remote-support [00:24] aljoni: with tightvnc you have to edit a file xstartup in .vnc where the server is run [00:25] Doesn't matter about how secure, or not, it is. Just the principle of using other people's servers, not allowed to do that for data security reasons. [00:25] Pan51: I've messed around in that file for the past 2 hours, trying all the configs online that "work". [00:25] aljoni: and you set the desktop there [00:25] TeamViewer supports 2FA, you can lock it down nicely [00:26] pavlos: My boss won't have it. [00:26] Jordan_U: "gnome-control-center" isn't installed. [00:26] Jordan_U: It's unity. [00:27] well, aljoni sounds like for every option, you have a objection, so your just in a spot where your going to have to keep trying, and testing.. [00:27] aljoni: How about "vino-preferences" ? [00:28] Tin_man: I wish I had more options, I've unfortunately been given very specific requirements. [00:29] it is not really a ubuntu issue from this point on.. [00:29] it's a boss issure [00:29] issue* [00:29] anyone know if there is a command line clint like pianobar is for pandora is there a youbar that is no video just audio? [00:29] Yup. Tell me about it. [00:29] command like client for youtube [00:30] Jordan_U: I was able to access it, but can't connect after setting it up in thre [00:30] donofrio_: https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube [00:30] aljoni: Is the user that you ssh'd in with currently locally logged in on that machine, graphically? [00:31] Jordan_U: No, and I can't right now either. [00:33] if the system in the closet runs X, you can ssh -Y user@closet [00:33] aljoni: I just understand why aren't trying hard to explain the complications? [00:33] bugzbunny: To my boss? [00:33] I mean, if you are technically incline, explain the hurdles and show alternatives [00:34] aljoni: Yes, [00:34] aljoni: I'm not sure that Unity, being based on Compiz/OpenGL, can run without a physical screen to draw to (as otherwise there would be no direct rendering, except maybe via llvmpipe which inneficiently uses the CPU). [00:34] bugzbunny: He just gets angry at me and tells me that I can't always get my own way. [00:34] pavlos: remote server doesn't need running xorg for that [00:35] Keep trying [00:35] You could speak to Ubuntu directly [00:35] install ubuntu-mate or linuxmint, those run well with vnc [00:36] It would cost, and see if they have any bright ideas [00:36] I might have to, don't really like to though. As soon as he hears me starting to say there is a problem, he cuts me off and gets angry. [00:36] aljoni: how fast is the network between clients and the server? [00:36] 1 Gbit [00:36] aljoni: You could configue a user to automatically login, then you should be able to connect via VNC, if all else is working (which is not guaranteed). [00:37] aljoni: maybe the tunneling in ssh might work, if you can't make vnc work and you don't need a separate desktop from the server [00:37] I am returned. [00:39] akik: May have to go that route, not as nice as a full remote desktop but it somewhat functions [00:40] aljoni: and it satisfies your boss :) [00:41] akik: Not sure that it does, he wanted a remote desktop. [00:41] but hey a benefit is a secure connection [00:42] Why does unity have to put up such a fight with remote access. [00:43] Can anyone tell me why the apt package for apache2 installs it in prefork mode? [00:44] is there some compatibility reason to use prefork instead of worker or event? Because over in the #apache IRC, they say DON'T USE PREFORK IN PRODUCTION [00:44] I read a stack of forum posts and answers. My machine is ASUS notebook circa 2014 (formerly had version: Win 8.1 - 64 bit). [00:44] I just want to clean install Xubuntu (only - NO DUAL BOOT). I was formerly advised: DO NOT set my BIOS to CSM. In another post the solution is DO SET BIOS to CSM. What the..? === andyhuzhill1 is now known as andyhuzhill [00:45] I am installing to an new SSD (no operating systems on it) [00:45] sneakyimp: Ask the Maintianers [00:46] sneakyimp, http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.installation.php#faq.installation.apache2 [00:48] If I am installing afresh, what is the point of creating a 1 mB boot partition (i am using a bootable USB with uefi boot = verified) [00:50] bugzbunny: where do I find them? [00:51] I started off using gdisk..the one solution that made perfect sense to me, but it seems that is not working out when i review partitions using Gparted there are warnings regarding the partitions (unmounted - as i created all partitions using gdisk prior to running the install) [00:51] jaone_booty_doe: that's a pretty darn old statement in the FAQ...does it still apply? Seems pretty pathetic to me. [00:51] jane_booty_doe: that's a pretty darn old statement in the FAQ...does it still apply? Seems pretty pathetic to me. [00:51] Simarillion: I think you're confused. You indeed do not need any 1 MB partition for UEFI booting. For booting via BIOS/CSM you would have a 1 MB BIOS Boot Partition (which is not the same as a /boot/ partition). With UEFI you will need an EFI System Partition, but that should be larger than 1 MB (between 100 MiB and 1 GiB). [00:52] Simarillion: Why not just let Ubuntu's installer do automatic partitioning? [00:52] jane_booty_doe: is PHP group still eschewing threaded environment? In this day and age of multicore CPUS? [00:52] sneakyimp: Uh, if there, it still applies [00:52] sneakyimp: And the fact offered a solution [00:53] err, Faq [00:53] bugzbunny: guys at #apache IRC were quite clear: DON'T USE APACHE2 IN PREFORK...it doesn't scale [00:53] I personally don't use Apache [00:53] Jordan_U, What you stated iss what i did when i installed on my other notebook and everything went fine. [00:53] sneakyimp: Then use the solution [00:53] bugzbunny: that doesn't really answer my question, does it? [00:53] sneakyimp: The issue, when install PHP, it pulls Apache [00:54] sneakyimp: Use FastCGI instead [00:54] bugzbunny: apt-get install apache2 installs prefork [00:54] That is right, Jordan_U, all i need is the EFI sys partition. [00:55] sneakyimp: I don't want to argue the merits, perhaps open a bug report, explain your use case [00:55] sneakyimp: It could benefits all [00:56] bugzbunny: i would love to, but am sadly trying to find out how to remedy the install on a system about to head in production [01:00] So my next question is: Do i set my BIOS to CSM and Disable Secure Boot in the BIOS settings or "No". If "No" then what should I set my BIOS Boot setting to? [01:01] Using the EFI boot method as mentioned what is the appropriate BIOS boot setting to USE? [01:02] Simarillion: Why don't you set boot to UEFI and do not enable CSM (compatibilty mode)? [01:03] Simarillion: And Disable Secure Boot, also. [01:03] Simarillion: What is your computer? If a laptop, what make/model? [01:03] I've got two options. Convince him to use Xubuntu, or explain that it (or some other DE) will have to be installed alongside unity for remote desktop to work. [01:04] ASUS S500ca [01:04] Laptop/Notebook [01:04] Simarillion: ASUS VivoBook S500CA ? [01:04] My last ditch effort was to use "Xephyr" over a SSH tunnel and run Unity in it. That didn't work though. [01:05] Yes, happy_hacker, that is correct. Asus VivoBook S500ca [01:05] Aptio BIOS settings [01:05] I'm happy to report Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (devel branch todays build) is working excellenmt on my iMac 5k 27"... Dual booting macosx high sierra. I'm very excited. Thanks to the support of the graphics drivers in this build everything went really smooth right out of the box. [01:06] excellent* [01:06] mesa: Which DE? [01:06] mesa: a 18.04 candidate? [01:06] mesa: Does it use Xorg or Wayland? [01:06] I really don't know... [01:06] I just booted. [01:07] If you just booted, how do you know it's working excellently? [01:08] I only have 2 options in the Aptio BIOS settings: FAST BOOT [Enable/Disable], the other option is: Launch CSM [Enable/Disable] [01:08] The obvioud, I should say, Display perfect, sound, wireless ethernet. all my devices, kb + mouse / trackpad... [01:08] obvious* [01:09] mesa: What not post your laptop https://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/uploadproduct.php so others can learn about it/ [01:10] I would love to. Fyi: This is the iMac desktop 5k 27" retina. [01:10] Simarillion: Disable Fast Boot (read it's help) and Disable Launch CSM (read it's help). [01:11] mesa: Sorry, got you and the other guy mixed up. But you can post it, also. [01:11] happy_hacker: Yes it is a 18.04 candidate. [01:11] mesa: You already said that and I didn't have a question about it. [01:11] happy_hacker..So I should set: FAST BOOT to Enable and set SECURE BOOT: to Disable [01:11] mesa: it was me that asked [01:11] mesa: In case you didn't know, bionic/18.04: /join #ubuntu+1 [01:11] This channel supports Ubuntu and its official flavors; versions 14.04, 16.04, and 17.10 [01:11] mesa: /topic [01:12] It recognized everything but the Magic keyboard 2. I will work on that later. [01:12] i see you are busy assisting [01:12] happy_hacker: thanks [01:12] i will wait [01:12] Simarillion: Negative. Set them both to Disable. [01:13] LTS is now 3 years? [01:13] Simarillion: On my UEFI machines, Fast Boot will prevent you from booting from USB. [01:13] or is there a typo? i see End of Life April 29, 2021 [01:13] rud0lf: I think 6 months +1 da from last release? [01:13] hey so I cant seem to mount my external hard drive to my computer properly. i had mounted it via the mount command but that stopped working for somereason [01:13] rud0lf: hences, .04 .10 is April, October [01:14] https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/ [01:14] for a whilte it was also on fstab. [01:14] rud0lf: 16.04's EOL is 2021 . [01:14] so there is a typo on the page [01:14] brenster21, you might try the Disks utility [01:14] in terminal? [01:14] Ok..Disable BOTH..wow..a great, right-to-the-point (no confusion), Answer. Best day all week! [01:14] happy_hacker: There is an issue with FAST-BOOT? [01:15] rud0lf: xubuntu's stuff is 3 years .. while main remains as 5 years . [01:15] Does "Gnome 3" like VNC? Just want to know before that gets suggested by my boss. [01:15] For second there, I thought you guys were talking about Windows fastboot [01:15] Thanks a buncg for that, happy hacker!! [01:15] *bunch* and bunches. [01:16] aljoni: I haven't tried, but, try it localling in a vm [01:16] bugzbunny: Okay. [01:16] No wonder the whole procedure was a bumble. My BIOS settings were for shnicketty. [01:17] Afaik, at least here, BIOS doesn't initialize some devices during POST [01:17] Well, it's straight back to the 'ubuntu blackboard' for this nub. [01:17] brenster21: issue your mount command in a terminal and pastebin the output [01:18] sure thing happy_hacker [01:18] Hey [01:18] brenster21: I'm going to dinner, but others can help, also. [01:18] ok [01:18] hey zerri ; cute nick [01:18] i'm New her [01:19] how are you [01:19] ok now it works [01:19] whats the deal with 2 different hexchat packages on ubuntu software center? [01:19] i think ubuntu hates me [01:19] Writing it all down so I don't (pointlessly) take up anyone's whilst they try to assist others. [01:19] could one of htem be fake [01:19] i reran the command and this time it worked [01:21] I don't like to waste anyone's *time* here, i realize there are others in search of guidance. [01:22] mesa: does browse network work? can you see other hosts in your subnet? [01:22] Ok, enough small talk. I'm heading back to the on ramp to the "lost highway of installation". [01:24] Much thanks in order, happy_hacker, TJ-, and oerheks. As always, it has been a privelige. [01:24] TTFN [01:24] Emcy: One, what Ubuntu version are you using? [01:24] Emcy: Second, the package name is just 'hexchat'? [01:25] 16.04 [01:25] Emcy: Can apt show hexchat? [01:25] just hexchat [01:26] apt only lists one of them [01:26] Where do you see two? [01:26] hey for some reason i cant change the read write settings for the drive i mounted [01:26] brenster21: What filesystem? [01:26] tried sudo chmod -R 777 drive [01:26] ubuntu software centre [01:26] Emcy: Oh, that, I have no idea [01:26] the external is ntfs, it is mounted into my home folder [01:27] brenster21: NTFS doesn't support Linux permissions [01:27] bugger [01:27] Anyone here that has used wget to get an entire website? [01:27] is there some kind of disconnect from before ubuntu started using 'snaps' and after [01:27] brenster21: IIRC, ntfs-3g should make the drive rw [01:27] i am just trying to give plex permission to read the folder, i had it working last week [01:27] Emcy, that is valid, one via softwarecenter, the other via snap package [01:27] brenster21: You can look at the mount options for ntfs-3g [01:28] If using wget -r gives me a 403 error (seems blocked?), is there an alternative solution? [01:28] brenster21: what are the mount parms? [01:28] brenster21: Like setting the user or setting default folder permissions etc [01:28] ok i thought it was [01:28] No I don't own the website in question. [01:28] i barely understand what snap is [01:28] Emcy: Snapshot. [01:28] As it is now. [01:29] Umeaboy, a snap package is something else entirely [01:29] OK. [01:29] Sorry. [01:29] #snappy for more info Umeaboy [01:29] pavlos the options was sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /home/brendan/maindrive -o uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137 [01:30] not snapshot, .. https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy [01:33] brenster21: can you try, sudo mount -o remount,rw /home/brendan/maindrive [01:33] just run it? [01:34] brenster21: type the command in a terminal [01:34] did it, same mount options as before [01:35] i mean same read write permissions [01:35] hi [01:36] anybody there? D: [01:36] brenster21: mount | grep sdb1 reports what line? [01:36] pavlos /dev/sdb1 on /home/brendan/maindrive type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096) [01:37] brenster21: it says read/write isnt that you want? [01:37] i need it read write for all users not just me [01:37] pavlos can you see my messages? D: [01:37] brianXP: yes [01:37] brianxp i can see it [01:37] brenster21: Alright, what's not working [01:38] brenster21: Uhhh [01:38] the user_id=0 <-- [01:38] brianXP: there are 1588 ppl on this channel [01:38] Ah ok I was a bit scared, Is it okay to install at this point ubuntu 18.04? [01:38] bugzbunny what should user_id be? [01:38] brenster21: Do what pavlos suggest and gid=1000 [01:39] brianXP: discussion for 18.04 in channel #ubuntu+1 [01:39] Because it seems like it mount the drive as root [01:39] ok so change the command to sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /home/brendan/maindrive -o uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137 [01:40] brenster21: Sorry, I mean uid=1000 [01:40] You can omit gid, but it doesn't matter [01:40] isnt that set as uid1000? [01:41] bugzbunny i need it so any user on the comptuer can access it [01:41] brenster21: When you mount that like that, what is not exactly not working [01:41] OH [01:41] Uh [01:41] That, huh, I would have to look at the manpage [01:41] Make it writable very everyone, I've never tried [01:43] basically i need rutorrent and plex to be able to acces it [01:44] I think, the best way to do this, if they are NOT running under the same user [01:45] Whatever user those process are running as, add them to same group, however you might to muck around with umask, or fmask dmask indiviually [01:45] I am very bad at bitmask [01:45] ok [01:46] i will try umask [01:47] umaks is usually the complement of what you want to do ... umaks 022 creates files as 644 [01:47] umask [01:48] pavlos so what combo for umask for read write for others? [01:49] brenster21: you want files to be 666, then umask is 000 [01:49] ok [01:49] what is fmask and dmask? [01:50] check the man page ... [01:50] brenster21: You probably want to use ACLs. [01:50] will do [01:50] acls? [01:50] brenster21: Here's an article https://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/security/acls_extended_filepermissions [01:50] https://askubuntu.com/questions/429848/dmask-and-fmask-mount-options [01:50] brenster21: This one should compliment that other, or even be the foundational article https://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Security/Quick_and_Dirty_Guide_to_Linux_File_Permissions [01:53] Till you mention Linux File Permissions [01:53] brenster21: Another idea, set others rwx [01:54] That should be simplest way, without have to mangle other users group permissions [01:54] wahoo thank you guys i think [01:54] i got it working [01:54] if you ever want ski lessons give me a call [01:55] what's your number? [01:55] crud [01:55] we have a new client in Telluride ;) [01:55] brenster21@gmail [01:55] take this to a pm! [01:55] happy_hacker you ski? [01:56] brenster21: /query happy_hacker [01:56] um? [01:56] brenster21, happy_hacker you can communicate privately in an off-topic channel by doing /msg username ... [01:56] ok [01:56] cfhowlett: I prefer /query as stated above [01:57] it says i need to log in with services [01:57] brenster21: We appreciate it [01:57] sorry about that [01:57] For everyone we/I help is plus [01:58] You are the third person I've read who have been thankful, to be, if open source was like this everyday [01:58] It would be a fun environment to work in [01:59] brenster21: you can send someone a cookie (/cookie nick) [01:59] !cookie [01:59] Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [01:59] brenster21: By any chance, what worked for you ?? [02:00] I don't need a cookie, preffably more success stories [02:00] bugzbunny sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /home/brendan/maindrive -o uid=brendan,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=000,fmask=000 [02:02] woot [02:02] * bugzbunny registers to brain [02:05] brenster21: so the dmask and fmask allows the others to write to it? [02:12] hi [02:13] i have my system just the way i want it, but i want to install an experimental driver. what is the best way to do this so that i don't negatively impact my system? [02:13] or can i save the state of my system somehow, and if i need to, revert back at some point? [02:13] happy_hacker apparently [02:13] idk i just tried random number till it worked [02:14] immy1101, if you're doing that kind of experimentation, I suggest you use virtualization, e.g. virtualbox [02:15] but how can i make virtualbox mimic my system? [02:16] I finally have a full solution to my issue. It's probably not what people in here want to here though. I was asked to use standard Ubuntu, or if not then CentOS, it's default desktop is fine with xRDP (rdp to vnc). [02:16] immy1101, simple. install virtualbox. create virtual machine. install ubuntu to VM. configure. save state. experiement. restore saved state if necessary. once you have your test cased figured out, configure the host machine. [02:16] immy1101: If you have problems with setup a virtual Machine [02:16] Come back [02:17] immy1101: I don't know how your system is setup, and haven't used Ubuntu but a couple of days. You can make an image of your system with Clonezilla, to an external device, and if it breaks, just restore it. http://clonezilla.org/ [02:17] immy1101: More important, using experimental driver on a REAL system, will cause a lot problems [02:17] THIS!! ^^^} [02:17] immy1101: I've used it successfully for backing up entire systems of several different OSes. [02:17] what i mean is, i don't think virtualbox can mimic my ati graphics card [02:17] so how could i test the driver? [02:17] immy1101: What model [02:17] r9 290 [02:18] immy1101: I've not had much success with a VM for that type of use case. [02:18] immy1101: Okay, open source or closed source? [02:18] closed source [02:18] immy1101: AFAIK, that should be GCN [02:18] what is gcn? [02:18] Archtecture [02:19] I think that's in GCN variety [02:19] immy1101: What version of Ubuntu are you using? [02:19] lubuntu 16.04.4 LTS [02:20] immy1101: AMD supports it, it shouldn't be experimental [02:21] The issue is what GCN version you have, the problem with AMD, is VERY confusing [02:21] i think you're right [02:22] i think the driver might already be installed [02:22] ty [02:22] lol [02:22] no sleep [02:24] Thank [02:25] You [02:29] what happens if i close the loopback device? [02:29] For years rxvt-unicode has been my favorite terminal. But I can't make the colors like I want. Terminator has colors I like. How do I find out what colors Terminator is using, so I can try and set them in ~/.Xdefaults for urxvt? [02:29] Kumool, your computer gets sad [02:31] pragmaticenigma, i'm being serious here, trying to save some elec on things i dont use [02:31] Kumool, the loopback device is used for system diagnostics as well as other internal features like DNS caching. Only your local machine can access it and it's required for system operation [02:32] aw [02:32] well, thanks [02:32] Kumool, what saves power is turning off the computer when you aren't using it. if you are trying to save battery, the best you can do with linux is make sure screen brightness is turned down [02:33] What ever listening on lo [02:33] screen brightness does nothing or barely anything on LCD screens [02:33] Will fail to community [02:33] Will it CRASH Linux [02:34] Depends, because, what importian services that is not using UNIX sockets [02:34] dnsmasq for one bugzbunny [02:34] That's trouble with DNS resolving [02:35] dnsmasq runs locally to reduce time for resolving recently resolved host addresses. it runs on loopback because most programs don't have the ability to use a unix socket instead of tcp for talking to DNS [02:36] pragmaticenigma: Useless for me for the most part [02:37] pragmaticenigma: ALL my DNS request goes through my Firewall which is double caching DNS request [02:37] But tearing down lo, I will try it in the future and see what happens [02:37] as is my system, though default Ubuntu installations enable it [02:38] It's enabled it here, just I have so many projects I am working, it's a leas [02:38] least [02:39] it was just a harmless question... now bugz is gonna crash everything on purpose... [02:39] I'd like to see what happens, I want to know Ubuntu resiliancy [02:39] for my system, mythtv listens on localhost for communicating between the backend and frontend programs [02:39] that is one way to learn ... [02:39] that's the only active localhost connection I have at the moment [02:40] or I'm infected with the W32.Mytob.FO@mm trojan virus === ajbozdar is now known as ajbozdar_origina === ajbozdar_origina is now known as ajbozdar_origin === ajbozdar_origin is now known as ajbozdar_0 === ajbozdar_0 is now known as ajbozdar [02:49] trying to vnc to my ubuntu desktop which has two large monitors. i have x11vnc setup to run like this: full command: /usr/bin/x11vnc -display :0 -rfbport 5900 -passwd ******** -clip 3840x2160+0+0 -scale 1920x1080 -v -o ~/x11vnc.log [02:50]