[00:00] <pavlos> aljoni: same desktop unless the server is running multiple DEs, then you can configure which to access
[00:00] <aljoni> pavlos: Same desktop isn't an option.  With VNC, when it works, you can multiple instances.
[00:00] <akik> aljoni: nomachine nx supports multiple simultaneous users with their own desktops, as does x2go
[00:01] <aljoni> I tried connecting from a different computer and it kicked the other one off
[00:02] <bugzbunny> akik: This one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[00:02] <akik> bugzbunny: freenx is dead
[00:03] <akik> aljoni: of course you can't use the same username in both sessions
[00:03] <bugzbunny> akik: k
[00:03] <aljoni> akik: Why not?  VNC and xRDP allow for that.  Can be quite useful actually.
[00:04] <akik> aljoni: it tries to use your $HOME and settings under it which doesn't work
[00:04] <pavlos> aljoni: I guess you can run unity with userA on altF7 and xfce with userB on altF8
[00:04] <aljoni> Installing XFCE or another DE is not an option.
[00:07] <aljoni> I've gotten a little further with VNC, I get the wallpaper now, but nothing else
[00:08] <pavlos> aljoni: then add some xterm in the xstartup options, hopefully it will pop up
[00:08] <aljoni> https://linode.com/docs/applications/remote-desktop/install-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[00:09] <aljoni> That guide shows getting a full desktop, I didn't after following it.
[00:10] <pavlos> aljoni: it installs gnome-panel and other gnome stuff
[00:10] <aljoni> pavlos: I followed the guide, and I didn't get the same result.
[00:10] <pavlos> aljoni: same idea as installing xfce4 for remote use only
[00:11] <aljoni> pavlos: The result looks like a unity desktop to me: https://linode.com/docs/assets/1643-vnc-ubuntu-3_small.png
[00:12] <pavlos> aljoni: I'm not going to test that guide ... but I have installed xfce4 just for remote access. System continues to work as unity but the startup files call xfce
[00:13] <aljoni> pavlos: I understand that.  If I could install xfce for this, I would have already done it/
[00:13] <akik> aljoni: why can't you install other desktops?
[00:13] <pavlos> aljoni: I dont know your requirements, seem very tight, I'm just telling you options.
[00:14] <aljoni> akik: My boss says I have to use clean ubuntu.  When I told him Unity doesn't play well with VNC he said "that sounds unlikely to me, I'm SURE there is a way".
[00:15] <aljoni> "clean ubuntu", for example: no xubuntu, or other desktop installed
[00:15] <bugzbunny> aljoni: It has to be lts?
[00:15] <pavlos> aljoni: I'd say something to your boss but this is a family channel
[00:15] <akik> aljoni: xubuntu is an official ubuntu flavor
[00:16] <bugzbunny> The next lts will be on Gnome?
[00:16] <pavlos> as Lubuntu
[00:16] <pavlos> bugzbunny: gnome3
[00:16] <bugzbunny> Just add that to a list of ideas
[00:16] <aljoni> akik: I told him that, but he had a concern of "what happens in the future if they stop updating it, what will we do then.  I dont see normal ubuntu going anywhere"
[00:17] <akik> heh
[00:17] <akik> what is normal ubuntu? it changes from release to release
[00:17] <aljoni> Yeah, using it as a server.  It needs a GUI though for the applications were using.
[00:18] <pavlos> aljoni: install Xubuntu or Lubuntu, they will not go away
[00:18] <aljoni> akik: I have no idea. He told me I have to use normal ubuntu, not any other flavour.  He says "in the real world when you're told you have to use certain software, or there or other requirements, then you do as you're told"
[00:18] <aljoni> pavlos: I'd love to do that, make this much easier.  Not allowed to though.
[00:19] <Tin_man> Just wait till April, then you have Regular Ubuntu (Gnome).
[00:19] <aljoni> Have to get this server up and running now.
[00:19] <kenrin> Why can't you use vino ?
[00:19] <DiecastMessiah> can ya ssh intot he server?
[00:20] <pavlos> aljoni: unity was "normal" for 16.04 then Canonical changed to gnome3 (18.04). Wayland was another X but now it will be Xorg. Change happens.
[00:20] <aljoni> Can SSH into it, but using desktop applications.  I know about X11 forwarding over SSH but really not that easy to use the software that way.
[00:20] <akik> tunneling x11 over ssh is slow
[00:20] <DiecastMessiah> oh kk
[00:20] <aljoni> I feel like I might be able to bodge this somehow, but I have to idea yet.
[00:21] <Tin_man> Use Team viewer it plays well with all flavors
[00:21] <Jordan_U> aljoni: Have you tried vino?
[00:21] <aljoni> What's vino?
[00:21] <Jordan_U> aljoni: The default vlc server in Ubuntu.
[00:21] <aljoni> Can't use TeamViewer, connection goes through other people's servers.
[00:22] <Jordan_U> aljoni: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers#vino
[00:22] <aljoni> How can I configure that via. the terminal? Server is in a closet elsewhere at the moment, can SSH into the box but physical access to configure isn't an option at the moment.
[00:23] <Pan51> aljoni: what vnc are you using?
[00:23] <Jordan_U> aljoni: There is almost certainly a way to configure it via the terminal. That said, it might be faster to run "gnome-control-center" via ssh -X.
[00:23] <aljoni> Pan51: I've tried: tightvnc, tigervnc, ultravnc
[00:24] <pavlos> https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/12152/how-secure-is-teamviewer-for-simple-remote-support
[00:24] <Pan51> aljoni: with tightvnc you have to edit a file xstartup in .vnc where the server is run
[00:25] <aljoni> Doesn't matter about how secure, or not, it is. Just the principle of using other people's servers, not allowed to do that for data security reasons.
[00:25] <aljoni> Pan51: I've messed around in that file for the past 2 hours, trying all the configs online that "work".
[00:25] <Pan51> aljoni: and you set the desktop there
[00:25] <pavlos> TeamViewer supports 2FA, you can lock it down nicely
[00:26] <aljoni> pavlos: My boss won't have it.
[00:26] <aljoni> Jordan_U: "gnome-control-center" isn't installed.
[00:26] <aljoni> Jordan_U: It's unity.
[00:27] <Tin_man> well, aljoni sounds like for every option, you have a objection, so your just in a spot where your going to have to keep trying, and testing..
[00:27] <Jordan_U> aljoni: How about "vino-preferences" ?
[00:28] <aljoni> Tin_man: I wish I had more options, I've unfortunately been given very specific requirements.
[00:29] <Tin_man> it is not really a ubuntu issue from this point on..
[00:29] <Tin_man> it's a boss issure
[00:29] <Tin_man> issue*
[00:29] <donofrio_> anyone know if there is a command line clint like pianobar is for pandora is there a youbar that is no video just audio?
[00:29] <aljoni> Yup. Tell me about it.
[00:29] <donofrio_> command like client for youtube
[00:30] <aljoni> Jordan_U: I was able to access it, but can't connect after setting it up in thre
[00:30] <akik> donofrio_: https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube
[00:30] <Jordan_U> aljoni: Is the user that you ssh'd in with currently locally logged in on that machine, graphically?
[00:31] <aljoni> Jordan_U: No, and I can't right now either.
[00:33] <pavlos> if the system in the closet runs X, you can ssh -Y user@closet
[00:33] <bugzbunny> aljoni: I just understand why aren't trying hard to explain the complications?
[00:33] <aljoni> bugzbunny: To my boss?
[00:33] <bugzbunny> I mean, if you are technically incline, explain the hurdles and show alternatives
[00:34] <bugzbunny> aljoni: Yes,
[00:34] <Jordan_U> aljoni: I'm not sure that Unity, being based on Compiz/OpenGL, can run without a physical screen to draw to (as otherwise there would be no direct rendering, except maybe via llvmpipe which inneficiently uses the CPU).
[00:34] <aljoni> bugzbunny: He just gets angry at me and tells me that I can't always get my own way.
[00:34] <akik> pavlos: remote server doesn't need running xorg for that
[00:35] <bugzbunny> Keep trying
[00:35] <bugzbunny> You could speak to Ubuntu directly
[00:35] <pavlos> install ubuntu-mate or linuxmint, those run well with vnc
[00:36] <bugzbunny> It would cost, and see if they have any bright ideas
[00:36] <aljoni> I might have to, don't really like to though. As soon as he hears me starting to say there is a problem, he cuts me off and gets angry.
[00:36] <akik> aljoni: how fast is the network between clients and the server?
[00:36] <aljoni> 1 Gbit
[00:36] <Jordan_U> aljoni: You could configue a user to automatically login, then you should be able to connect via VNC, if all else is working (which is not guaranteed).
[00:37] <akik> aljoni: maybe the tunneling in ssh might work, if you can't make vnc work and you don't need a separate desktop from the server
[00:37] <Simarillion> I am returned.
[00:39] <aljoni> akik: May have to go that route, not as nice as a full remote desktop but it somewhat functions
[00:40] <akik> aljoni: and it satisfies your boss :)
[00:41] <aljoni> akik: Not sure that it does, he wanted a remote desktop.
[00:41] <akik> but hey a benefit is a secure connection
[00:42] <aljoni> Why does unity have to put up such a fight with remote access.
[00:43] <sneakyimp> Can anyone tell me why the apt package for apache2 installs it in prefork mode?
[00:44] <sneakyimp> is there some compatibility reason to use prefork instead of worker or event? Because over in the #apache IRC, they say DON'T USE PREFORK IN PRODUCTION
[00:44] <Simarillion> I read a stack of forum posts and answers. My machine is ASUS notebook circa 2014 (formerly had version: Win 8.1 - 64 bit).
[00:44] <Simarillion> I just want to clean install Xubuntu (only - NO DUAL BOOT). I was formerly advised: DO NOT set my BIOS to CSM. In another post the solution is DO SET BIOS to CSM. What the..?
[00:45] <Simarillion> I am installing to an new SSD (no operating systems on it)
[00:45] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: Ask the Maintianers
[00:46] <jane_booty_doe> sneakyimp, http://www.php.net/manual/en/faq.installation.php#faq.installation.apache2
[00:48] <Simarillion> If I am installing afresh, what is the point of creating a 1 mB boot partition (i am using a bootable USB with uefi boot = verified)
[00:50] <sneakyimp> bugzbunny: where do I find them?
[00:51] <Simarillion> I started off using gdisk..the one solution that made perfect sense to me, but it seems that is not working out when i review partitions using Gparted there are warnings regarding the partitions (unmounted - as i created all partitions using gdisk prior to running the install)
[00:51] <sneakyimp> jaone_booty_doe: that's a pretty darn old statement in the FAQ...does it still apply? Seems pretty pathetic to me.
[00:51] <sneakyimp> jane_booty_doe: that's a pretty darn old statement in the FAQ...does it still apply? Seems pretty pathetic to me.
[00:51] <Jordan_U> Simarillion: I think you're confused. You indeed do not need any 1 MB partition for UEFI booting. For booting via BIOS/CSM you would have a 1 MB BIOS Boot Partition (which is not the same as a /boot/ partition). With UEFI you will need an EFI System Partition, but that should be larger than 1 MB (between 100 MiB and 1 GiB).
[00:52] <Jordan_U> Simarillion: Why not just let Ubuntu's installer do automatic partitioning?
[00:52] <sneakyimp> jane_booty_doe: is PHP group still eschewing threaded environment? In this day and age of multicore CPUS?
[00:52] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: Uh, if there, it still applies
[00:52] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: And the fact offered a solution
[00:53] <bugzbunny> err, Faq
[00:53] <sneakyimp> bugzbunny: guys at #apache IRC were quite clear: DON'T USE APACHE2 IN PREFORK...it doesn't scale
[00:53] <bugzbunny> I personally don't use Apache
[00:53] <Simarillion> Jordan_U, What you stated iss what i did when i installed on my other notebook and everything went fine.
[00:53] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: Then use the solution
[00:53] <sneakyimp> bugzbunny: that doesn't really answer my question, does it?
[00:53] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: The issue, when install PHP, it pulls Apache
[00:54] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: Use FastCGI instead
[00:54] <sneakyimp> bugzbunny: apt-get install apache2 installs prefork
[00:54] <Simarillion> That is right, Jordan_U, all i need is the EFI sys partition.
[00:55] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: I don't want to argue the merits, perhaps open a bug report, explain your use case
[00:55] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: It could benefits all
[00:56] <sneakyimp> bugzbunny: i would love to, but am sadly trying to find out how to remedy the install on a system about to head in production
[01:00] <Simarillion> So my next question is: Do i set my BIOS to CSM and Disable Secure Boot in the BIOS settings or "No". If "No" then what should I set my BIOS Boot setting to?
[01:01] <Simarillion> Using the EFI boot method as mentioned what is the appropriate BIOS boot setting to USE?
[01:02] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: Why don't you set boot to UEFI and do not enable CSM (compatibilty mode)?
[01:03] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: And Disable Secure Boot, also.
[01:03] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: What is your computer? If a laptop, what make/model?
[01:03] <aljoni> I've got two options. Convince him to use Xubuntu, or explain that it (or some other DE) will have to be installed alongside unity for remote desktop to work.
[01:04] <Simarillion> ASUS S500ca
[01:04] <Simarillion> Laptop/Notebook
[01:04] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: ASUS VivoBook S500CA ?
[01:04] <aljoni> My last ditch effort was to use "Xephyr" over a SSH tunnel and run Unity in it.  That didn't work though.
[01:05] <Simarillion> Yes, happy_hacker, that is correct. Asus VivoBook S500ca
[01:05] <Simarillion> Aptio BIOS settings
[01:05] <mesa> I'm happy to report Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (devel branch todays build)  is working excellenmt on my iMac 5k 27"... Dual booting macosx high sierra. I'm very excited. Thanks to the support of the graphics drivers in this build everything went really smooth right out of the box.
[01:06] <mesa> excellent*
[01:06] <happy_hacker> mesa: Which DE?
[01:06] <rud0lf> mesa: a 18.04 candidate?
[01:06] <happy_hacker> mesa: Does it use Xorg or Wayland?
[01:06] <mesa> I really don't know...
[01:06] <mesa> I just booted.
[01:07] <happy_hacker> If you just booted, how do you know it's working excellently?
[01:08] <Simarillion> I only have 2 options in the Aptio BIOS settings: FAST BOOT [Enable/Disable], the other option is: Launch CSM [Enable/Disable]
[01:08] <mesa> The obvioud, I should say, Display perfect, sound, wireless ethernet. all my devices, kb + mouse / trackpad...
[01:08] <mesa> obvious*
[01:09] <happy_hacker> mesa: What not post your laptop https://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/uploadproduct.php so others can learn about it/
[01:10] <mesa> I would love to. Fyi: This is the iMac desktop 5k 27" retina.
[01:10] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: Disable Fast Boot (read it's help) and Disable Launch CSM (read it's help).
[01:11] <happy_hacker> mesa: Sorry, got you and the other guy mixed up. But you can post it, also.
[01:11] <mesa> happy_hacker: Yes it is a 18.04 candidate.
[01:11] <happy_hacker> mesa: You already said that and I didn't have a question about it.
[01:11] <Simarillion> happy_hacker..So I should set: FAST BOOT to Enable and set SECURE BOOT: to Disable
[01:11] <rud0lf> mesa: it was me that asked
[01:11] <happy_hacker> mesa: In case you didn't know, bionic/18.04: /join #ubuntu+1
[01:11] <happy_hacker> This channel supports Ubuntu and its official flavors; versions 14.04, 16.04, and 17.10
[01:11] <happy_hacker> mesa: /topic
[01:12] <mesa> It recognized everything but the Magic keyboard 2. I will work on that later.
[01:12] <Simarillion> i see you are busy assisting
[01:12] <mesa> happy_hacker: thanks
[01:12] <Simarillion> i will wait
[01:12] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: Negative. Set them both to Disable.
[01:13] <rud0lf> LTS is now 3 years?
[01:13] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: On my UEFI machines, Fast Boot will prevent you from booting from USB.
[01:13] <rud0lf> or is there a typo? i see End of Life April 29, 2021
[01:13] <happy_hacker> rud0lf: I think 6 months +1 da from last release?
[01:13] <brenster21> hey so I cant seem to mount my external hard drive to my computer properly. i had mounted it via the mount command but that stopped working for somereason
[01:13] <happy_hacker> rud0lf: hences, .04 .10 is April, October
[01:14] <rud0lf> https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/
[01:14] <brenster21> for a whilte it was also on fstab.
[01:14] <Bashing-om> rud0lf: 16.04's EOL is 2021 .
[01:14] <rud0lf> so there is a typo on the page
[01:14] <compdoc> brenster21, you might try the Disks utility
[01:14] <brenster21> in terminal?
[01:14] <Simarillion> Ok..Disable BOTH..wow..a great, right-to-the-point (no confusion), Answer. Best day all week!
[01:14] <bugzbunny> happy_hacker: There is an issue with FAST-BOOT?
[01:15] <Bashing-om> rud0lf: xubuntu's stuff is 3 years .. while main remains as 5 years .
[01:15] <aljoni> Does "Gnome 3" like VNC?  Just want to know before that gets suggested by my boss.
[01:15] <bugzbunny> For second there, I thought you guys were talking about Windows fastboot
[01:15] <Simarillion> Thanks a buncg for that, happy hacker!!
[01:15] <Simarillion> *bunch* and bunches.
[01:16] <bugzbunny> aljoni: I haven't tried, but, try it localling in a vm
[01:16] <aljoni> bugzbunny: Okay.
[01:16] <Simarillion> No wonder the whole procedure was a bumble. My BIOS settings were for shnicketty.
[01:17] <bugzbunny> Afaik, at least here, BIOS doesn't initialize some devices during POST
[01:17] <Simarillion> Well, it's straight back to the 'ubuntu blackboard' for this nub.
[01:17] <happy_hacker> brenster21: issue your mount command in a terminal and pastebin the output
[01:18] <brenster21> sure thing happy_hacker
[01:18] <zerri> Hey
[01:18] <happy_hacker> brenster21: I'm going to dinner, but others can help, also.
[01:18] <brenster21> ok
[01:18] <happy_hacker> hey zerri ; cute nick
[01:18] <zerri> i'm New her
[01:19] <zerri> how are you
[01:19] <brenster21> ok now it works
[01:19] <Emcy> whats the deal with 2 different hexchat packages on ubuntu software center?
[01:19] <brenster21> i think ubuntu hates me
[01:19] <Simarillion> Writing it all down so I don't (pointlessly) take up anyone's whilst they try to assist others.
[01:19] <Emcy> could one of htem be fake
[01:19] <brenster21> i reran the command and this time it worked
[01:21] <Simarillion> I don't like to waste anyone's *time* here, i realize there are others in search of guidance.
[01:22] <pavlos> mesa: does browse network work? can you see other hosts in your subnet?
[01:22] <Simarillion> Ok, enough small talk. I'm heading back to the on ramp to the "lost highway of installation".
[01:24] <Simarillion> Much thanks in order, happy_hacker, TJ-, and oerheks. As always, it has been a privelige.
[01:24] <Simarillion> TTFN
[01:24] <bugzbunny> Emcy: One, what Ubuntu version are you using?
[01:24] <bugzbunny> Emcy: Second, the package name is just 'hexchat'?
[01:25] <Emcy> 16.04
[01:25] <bugzbunny> Emcy: Can apt show hexchat?
[01:25] <Emcy> just hexchat
[01:26] <Emcy> apt only lists one of them
[01:26] <bugzbunny> Where do you see two?
[01:26] <brenster21> hey for some reason i cant change the read write settings for the drive i mounted
[01:26] <bugzbunny> brenster21: What filesystem?
[01:26] <brenster21> tried sudo chmod -R 777 drive
[01:26] <Emcy> ubuntu software centre
[01:26] <bugzbunny> Emcy: Oh, that, I have no idea
[01:26] <brenster21> the external is ntfs, it is mounted into my home folder
[01:27] <bugzbunny> brenster21: NTFS doesn't support Linux permissions
[01:27] <brenster21> bugger
[01:27] <Umeaboy> Anyone here that has used wget to get an entire website?
[01:27] <Emcy> is there some kind of disconnect from before ubuntu started using 'snaps' and after
[01:27] <bugzbunny> brenster21: IIRC, ntfs-3g should make the drive rw
[01:27] <brenster21> i am just trying to give plex permission to read the folder, i had it working last week
[01:27] <oerheks> Emcy, that is valid, one via softwarecenter, the other via snap package
[01:27] <bugzbunny> brenster21: You can look at the mount options for ntfs-3g
[01:28] <Umeaboy> If using wget -r gives me a 403 error (seems blocked?), is there an alternative solution?
[01:28] <pavlos> brenster21: what are the mount parms?
[01:28] <bugzbunny> brenster21: Like setting the user or setting default folder permissions etc
[01:28] <Emcy> ok i thought it was
[01:28] <Umeaboy> No I don't own the website in question.
[01:28] <Emcy> i barely understand what snap is
[01:28] <Umeaboy> Emcy: Snapshot.
[01:28] <Umeaboy> As it is now.
[01:29] <bazhang> Umeaboy, a snap package is something else entirely
[01:29] <Umeaboy> OK.
[01:29] <Umeaboy> Sorry.
[01:29] <bazhang> #snappy for more info Umeaboy
[01:29] <brenster21> pavlos the options was sudo mount  /dev/sdb1 /home/brendan/maindrive -o uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137
[01:30] <oerheks> not snapshot, .. https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy
[01:33] <pavlos> brenster21: can you try, sudo mount -o remount,rw  /home/brendan/maindrive
[01:33] <brenster21> just run it?
[01:34] <pavlos> brenster21: type the command in a terminal
[01:34] <brenster21> did it, same mount options as before
[01:35] <brenster21> i mean same read write permissions
[01:35] <brianXP> hi
[01:36] <brianXP> anybody there? D:
[01:36] <pavlos> brenster21: mount | grep sdb1 reports what line?
[01:36] <brenster21> pavlos /dev/sdb1 on /home/brendan/maindrive type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[01:37] <pavlos> brenster21: it says read/write isnt that you want?
[01:37] <brenster21> i need it read write for all users not just me
[01:37] <brianXP> pavlos can you see my messages? D:
[01:37] <pavlos> brianXP: yes
[01:37] <brenster21> brianxp i can see it
[01:37] <bugzbunny> brenster21: Alright, what's not working
[01:38] <bugzbunny> brenster21: Uhhh
[01:38] <bugzbunny> the user_id=0 <--
[01:38] <pavlos> brianXP: there are 1588 ppl on this channel
[01:38] <brianXP> Ah ok I was a bit scared, Is it okay to install at this point ubuntu 18.04?
[01:38] <brenster21> bugzbunny what should user_id be?
[01:38] <bugzbunny> brenster21: Do what pavlos suggest and gid=1000
[01:39] <pavlos> brianXP: discussion for 18.04 in channel #ubuntu+1
[01:39] <bugzbunny> Because it seems like it mount the drive as root
[01:39] <brenster21> ok so change the command to sudo mount  /dev/sdb1 /home/brendan/maindrive -o uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137
[01:40] <bugzbunny> brenster21: Sorry, I mean uid=1000
[01:40] <bugzbunny> You can omit gid, but it doesn't matter
[01:40] <brenster21> isnt that set as uid1000?
[01:41] <brenster21> bugzbunny i need it so any user on the comptuer can access it
[01:41] <bugzbunny> brenster21: When you mount that like that, what is not exactly not working
[01:41] <bugzbunny> OH
[01:41] <bugzbunny> Uh
[01:41] <bugzbunny> That, huh, I would have to look at the manpage
[01:41] <bugzbunny> Make it writable very everyone, I've never tried
[01:43] <brenster21> basically i need rutorrent and plex to be able to acces it
[01:44] <bugzbunny> I think, the best way to do this, if they are NOT running under the same user
[01:45] <bugzbunny> Whatever user those process are running as, add them to same group, however you might to muck around with umask, or fmask dmask indiviually
[01:45] <bugzbunny> I am very bad at bitmask
[01:45] <brenster21> ok
[01:46] <brenster21> i will try umask
[01:47] <pavlos> umaks is usually the complement of what you want to do ... umaks 022 creates files as 644
[01:47] <pavlos> umask
[01:48] <brenster21> pavlos so what combo for umask for read write for others?
[01:49] <pavlos> brenster21: you want files to be 666, then umask is 000
[01:49] <brenster21> ok
[01:49] <brenster21> what is fmask and dmask?
[01:50] <pavlos> check the man page ...
[01:50] <happy_hacker> brenster21: You probably want to use ACLs.
[01:50] <brenster21> will do
[01:50] <brenster21> acls?
[01:50] <happy_hacker> brenster21: Here's an article https://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/security/acls_extended_filepermissions
[01:50] <pavlos> https://askubuntu.com/questions/429848/dmask-and-fmask-mount-options
[01:50] <happy_hacker> brenster21: This one should compliment that other, or even be the foundational article https://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Security/Quick_and_Dirty_Guide_to_Linux_File_Permissions
[01:53] <bugzbunny> Till you mention Linux File Permissions
[01:53] <bugzbunny> brenster21: Another idea, set others rwx
[01:54] <bugzbunny> That should be simplest way, without have to mangle other users group permissions
[01:54] <brenster21> wahoo thank you guys i think
[01:54] <brenster21> i got it working
[01:54] <brenster21> if you ever want ski lessons give me a call
[01:55] <happy_hacker> what's your number?
[01:55] <brenster21> crud
[01:55] <happy_hacker> we have a new client in Telluride ;)
[01:55] <brenster21> brenster21@gmail
[01:55] <cfhowlett> take this to a pm!
[01:55] <brenster21> happy_hacker you ski?
[01:56] <happy_hacker> brenster21: /query happy_hacker
[01:56] <brenster21> um?
[01:56] <cfhowlett> brenster21, happy_hacker you can communicate privately in an off-topic channel by doing /msg username ...
[01:56] <brenster21> ok
[01:56] <happy_hacker> cfhowlett: I prefer /query as stated above
[01:57] <brenster21> it says i need to log in with services
[01:57] <bugzbunny> brenster21: We appreciate it
[01:57] <brenster21> sorry about that
[01:57] <bugzbunny> For everyone we/I help is plus
[01:58] <bugzbunny> You are the third person I've read who have been thankful, to be, if open source was like this everyday
[01:58] <bugzbunny> It would be a fun environment to work in
[01:59] <pavlos> brenster21: you can send someone a cookie (/cookie nick)
[01:59] <cfhowlett> !cookie
[01:59] <bugzbunny> brenster21: By any chance, what worked for you ??
[02:00] <bugzbunny> I don't need a cookie, preffably more success stories
[02:00] <brenster21> bugzbunny sudo mount  /dev/sdb1 /home/brendan/maindrive -o uid=brendan,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=000,fmask=000
[02:02] <bugzbunny> woot
[02:02]  * bugzbunny registers to brain
[02:05] <happy_hacker> brenster21: so the dmask and fmask allows the others to write to it?
[02:12] <immy1101> hi
[02:13] <immy1101> i have my system just the way i want it, but i want to install an experimental driver. what is the best way to do this so that i don't negatively impact my system?
[02:13] <immy1101> or can i save the state of my system somehow, and if i need to, revert back at some point?
[02:13] <brenster21> happy_hacker apparently
[02:13] <brenster21> idk i just tried random number till it worked
[02:14] <cfhowlett> immy1101, if you're doing that kind of experimentation, I suggest you use virtualization, e.g. virtualbox
[02:15] <immy1101> but how can i make virtualbox mimic my system?
[02:16] <aljoni> I finally have a full solution to my issue. It's probably not what people in here want to here though. I was asked to use standard Ubuntu, or if not then CentOS, it's default desktop is fine with xRDP (rdp to vnc).
[02:16] <cfhowlett> immy1101, simple.  install virtualbox.  create virtual machine.  install ubuntu to VM.  configure.  save state.  experiement.  restore saved state if necessary.  once you have your test cased figured out, configure the host machine.
[02:16] <bugzbunny> immy1101: If you have problems with setup a virtual Machine
[02:16] <bugzbunny> Come back
[02:17] <happy_hacker> immy1101: I don't know how your system is setup, and haven't used Ubuntu but a couple of days. You can make an image of your system with Clonezilla, to an external device, and if it breaks, just restore it. http://clonezilla.org/
[02:17] <bugzbunny> immy1101: More important, using experimental driver on a REAL system, will cause a lot problems
[02:17] <cfhowlett> THIS!! ^^^}
[02:17] <happy_hacker> immy1101: I've used it successfully for backing up entire systems of several different OSes.
[02:17] <immy1101> what i mean is, i don't think virtualbox can mimic my ati graphics card
[02:17] <immy1101> so how could i test the driver?
[02:17] <bugzbunny> immy1101: What model
[02:17] <immy1101> r9 290
[02:18] <happy_hacker> immy1101: I've not had much success with a VM for that type of use case.
[02:18] <bugzbunny> immy1101: Okay, open source or closed source?
[02:18] <immy1101> closed source
[02:18] <bugzbunny> immy1101: AFAIK, that should be GCN
[02:18] <immy1101> what is gcn?
[02:18] <bugzbunny> Archtecture
[02:19] <bugzbunny> I think that's in GCN variety
[02:19] <bugzbunny> immy1101: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[02:19] <immy1101> lubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[02:20] <bugzbunny> immy1101: AMD supports it, it shouldn't be experimental
[02:21] <bugzbunny> The issue is what GCN version you have, the problem with AMD, is VERY confusing
[02:21] <immy1101> i think you're right
[02:22] <immy1101> i think the driver might already be installed
[02:22] <immy1101> ty
[02:22] <immy1101> lol
[02:22] <immy1101> no sleep
[02:24] <bugzbunny> Thank
[02:25] <bugzbunny> You
[02:29] <Kumool> what happens if i close the loopback device?
[02:29] <happy_hacker> For years rxvt-unicode has been my favorite terminal. But I can't make the colors like I want. Terminator has colors I like. How do I find out what colors Terminator is using, so I can try and set them in ~/.Xdefaults for urxvt?
[02:29] <pragmaticenigma> Kumool, your computer gets sad
[02:31] <Kumool> pragmaticenigma, i'm being serious here, trying to save some elec on things i dont use
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> Kumool, the loopback device is used for system diagnostics as well as other internal features like DNS caching. Only your local machine can access it and it's required for system operation
[02:32] <Kumool> aw
[02:32] <Kumool> well, thanks
[02:32] <pragmaticenigma> Kumool, what saves power is turning off the computer when you aren't using it. if you are trying to save battery, the best you can do with linux is make sure screen brightness is turned down
[02:33] <bugzbunny> What ever listening on lo
[02:33] <Kumool> screen brightness does nothing or barely anything on LCD screens
[02:33] <bugzbunny> Will fail to community
[02:33] <bugzbunny> Will it CRASH Linux
[02:34] <bugzbunny> Depends, because, what importian services that is not using UNIX sockets
[02:34] <pragmaticenigma> dnsmasq for one bugzbunny
[02:34] <bugzbunny> That's trouble with DNS resolving
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> dnsmasq runs locally to reduce time for resolving recently resolved host addresses. it runs on loopback because most programs don't have the ability to use a unix socket instead of tcp for talking to DNS
[02:36] <bugzbunny> pragmaticenigma: Useless for me for the most part
[02:37] <bugzbunny> pragmaticenigma: ALL my DNS request goes through my Firewall which is double caching DNS request
[02:37] <bugzbunny> But tearing down lo, I will try it in the future and see what happens
[02:37] <pragmaticenigma> as is my system, though default Ubuntu installations enable it
[02:38] <bugzbunny> It's enabled it here, just I have so many projects I am working, it's a leas
[02:38] <bugzbunny> least
[02:39] <Kumool> it was just a harmless question... now bugz is gonna crash everything on purpose...
[02:39] <bugzbunny> I'd like to see what happens, I want to know Ubuntu resiliancy
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> for my system, mythtv listens on localhost for communicating between the backend and frontend programs
[02:39] <cfhowlett> that is one way to learn ...
[02:39] <pragmaticenigma> that's the only active localhost connection I have at the moment
[02:40] <pragmaticenigma> or I'm infected with the W32.Mytob.FO@mm trojan virus
[02:49] <jnewt1> trying to vnc to my ubuntu desktop which has two large monitors.  i have x11vnc setup to run like this: full command: /usr/bin/x11vnc -display :0 -rfbport 5900 -passwd ******** -clip 3840x2160+0+0 -scale 1920x1080  -v -o ~/x11vnc.log
[02:50] <jnewt1> im not getting the clipping and scaling expected.   i want it to work like rdp or teamviewer where i see only one screen, at an appropriate resolution.
[02:50] <jnewt1> fonts are small, i see both screens crammed into my client screen, nothing is usable
[02:52] <bugzbunny> jnewt1: NoMachines?
[02:53] <bugzbunny> jmw: x2go?
[02:53] <bugzbunny> err
[02:53] <bugzbunny> jnewt1: x2go
[02:54] <jnewt1> bugzbunny: i was using x2go, someone said use x11vnc for whatever problem i was having with it (i think it was an issue with resuming sessions).
[02:54] <kj4> hello all
[02:54] <jnewt1> bugzbunny, can you see what is wrong with my config, don't really feel like switching again.
[02:55] <jnewt1> is that not supposed to clip to my first & leftmost 4k monitor, scale it to my 1920x1080 client size and output only that portion?
[02:55] <jnewt1> b/c that's what i expect, but not what i'm seeing
[02:56] <bugzbunny> I never use either, not a expert
[02:56] <bugzbunny> But, I just think those might do a better job
[02:57] <bugzbunny> hello kj4
[02:58] <jnewt1> my framebuffer info shows width 3840 height 14304 scaled_width 1920 scaled_height 12960 , so the height is botched for some reason
[02:58] <bugzbunny> I can't help, I never done it
[03:01] <jnewt1> not asking you specifically.  although these channels get sparser every year, i should quit expecting anything
[03:04] <bugzbunny> jnewt1: Got to askubuntu
[03:04] <bugzbunny> jnewt1: Forums
[03:05] <bugzbunny> jnewt1: I don't think you will get HARD solution
[03:05] <bugzbunny> The problems here can be fixable
[03:17] <kj4> any running ubuntu on a NUC and has a comment?
[03:28] <fdhdh> join
[03:34] <cesutewa> trans "Let A and B be square matrices.遐 怀1.  When B is obtained from A by interchanging two rows of A, det(B) = −det(A). 遐 怀2.  When B is obtained from A by adding a multiple of a row of A to another row of A, det(B) = det(A).遐 怀3.  When B is obtained from A by multiplying a row of A by a nonzero constant c, det(B) = c det(A)"
[03:34] <cfhowlett> cesutewa, check your channel.  this is ubuntu support
[03:35] <Emcy> are "snaps" sandboxed or something like that
[03:35] <Emcy> so i have hexchat installed as a snap, it cant access ~/downloads because permission denied
[03:35] <cfhowlett> why would you install hexchat snap.  just use the repo version.
[03:36] <Emcy> because the repo is out of date
[03:36] <[n0mad]> what about ~/Downloads
[03:37] <Emcy> i try to select it in the gui picker and permission denied
[03:37] <Emcy> but its running under my user account
[03:37] <Emcy> i dont get it
[03:44] <Kumool> Emcy, did you try the chown?
[03:45]  * cfhowlett has installed newest hexchat.  sees no immediate/obvious difference.
[03:45] <cfhowlett> Emcy, how did you install?  mine works perfectly in 16.04
[03:53] <ajbozdar> Skype and CoreBird snaps are not working. Anyone else with same issue?
[03:58] <bugzbunny> Emcy: Out of version how?
[03:59] <bugzbunny> Emcy: What exactly in a newer version that YOU really need?
[04:03] <WorldGenesis[v]> is it possible to kickstart an installation utility in a live ubuntu environment? o.o
[04:03] <WorldGenesis[v]> if so, what's the command for that?
[04:10] <Simarillion> Everything was going just swell when i left channel moments ago.
[04:11] <Simarillion> I wrote down all the advice given here in channel. I outlined my partition scheme. All was beautiful & nice, until..
[04:18] <Simarillion> My brother, the mercurial savant of 'how to' Linux Mint , chimed in. I listened until 1/2 past my sanity and quarter to full blown rant as to why! why! why!, did i not format my ubuntu partitions with 'btrfs' on my older Toshiba 256 gB SSD..
[04:19] <Simarillion> had i known he would go on like adolph hitler i would have embelished and said, i'm going to start all over..
[04:21] <Simarillion> btrfs is still getting the kinks ironed out, afaik. I formatted my linux partitions, in ext4 fs, of course, as reco'd on the Ubuntu Forums. It's the most reliable source I've come across apart from channel.
[04:25] <Simarillion> I got so caught up in this that i burned my pizza (which was supposed to be lunch) and you don't want to know what time it is here. I've researching and working on getting this install just right for more than a week.
[04:26] <m2_teknix> I have shared the "~/Public" folders via nautilius on a machine. Though I am able to locate and access this folder on another machine via Nautilius, but how can I access it via coomand line?
[04:27] <m2_teknix> I am unable to locate where the folder on the client side is mounted
[04:27] <Simarillion> Converting all my bloated windows notebooks on track with Linux was the best diet plan for someone who didn't need to lose 8 lbs. here.
[04:31] <m2_teknix> I have shared the "~/Public" folders via nautilius on a machine. Though I am able to locate and access this folder on another machine via Nautilius, but how can I access it via coomand line?
[04:32] <Simarillion> Sifting through links at Ubuntu forums, i was about jumping up & down when i found the article stating that ext4 is just as efficient.
[04:33] <Simarillion> Ext4 is, even, times more efficient (re: excessive writes per the block") if not more, than btrfs (and that is not due to the numerous writes btrfs performs 'snapshots' of the OS' for user's reinstallation convenience).
[04:33] <bugzbunny> m2_teknix: What protocol?
[04:34] <Simarillion> Thank you, again, channel, for saving my peaceful enjoyment of xUbuntu
[04:36] <Simarillion> I didn't think btrfs was a sound choice, seeing as i am new to the latest versions of Ubuntu/Gnome/Unity.
[04:37] <Simarillion> Using xUbuntu was the best advice, and that came from someone on the wire via Freenode.
[04:40] <Simarillion> Is btrfs worth trying on a regular scsi hdd (notebook).
[04:41] <Simarillion> I don't use multiple internal drives.
[04:43] <m2_teknix> \exit
[04:48] <delt> Hello
[04:48] <delt> how to get a list of all installed packages with apt on command line?
[04:50] <EriC^^> delt: apt list --installed
[04:52] <kurkudilo> delt, dpkg --get-selections
[04:54] <delt> kurkudilo: thanks
[04:54] <Simarillion> Another county heard from..(be it Cork or Mayo), i suppose.
[05:07] <Simarillion> Will i be losing performance if i create a separate /home partition (via SSD)?
[05:15] <Simarillion> Going to read up on development and stability of btrfs. B'bye channel.
[05:18] <sneakyimp> Can anyone tell me the difference between the packages libapache2-mod-fcgid and libapache2-mod-fastcgi ?
[05:23] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: apt show libapache2-mod-fcgid
[05:23] <bugzbunny> sneakyimp: apt show libapache2-mod-fastcgi
[05:28] <sputnik13> anyone around?  apt-get purge is supposed to get rid of everything right?  when I purge strongswan it doesn't seem to get rid of everything, and when I go and delete /etc/ipsec.d and /etc/strongswan.d then reinstall strongswan it doesn't put the directories back...  so I'm thinking there must be some state somewhere being persisted...  would that be a strongswan specific problem or is there additional state somewhere for dpkg?
[05:30] <sneakyimp> bugzbunny: thanks! those descriptions are nearly identical too. although they have links to more info...since http://www.fastcgi.com/ doesn't respond, I think i'll go with mod-fcgid
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> sputnik13: do you have external ppa's added to your system?
[05:30] <sputnik13> lotuspsychje nope
[05:31] <sputnik13> tried to reproduce the problem using an ubuntu:16.04 container
[05:31] <sputnik13> and same thing
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> sputnik13: you could try purge with dpkg -P perhaps?
[05:31] <sputnik13> prior to installing strongswan no /etc/ipsec.d, after install /etc/ipsec.d is still there
[05:31] <sputnik13> ok, I will try
[05:34] <EriC^^> !find ipsec.d
[05:34] <sneakyimp> bugzbunny: looks like fastcgi is now dead. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=835374
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> sputnik13: if that doesnt work, i would plave a new !bug perhaps
[05:36] <sputnik13> lotuspsychje yeah that doesn't work...  strongswan install scripts must be checking for something to see whether to place default files/directories, which the uninstall scripts aren't removing on purge
[05:36] <Atomic_RcX4d> hello
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> sputnik13: ubuntu-bug strongswan and add your story mate
[05:37] <Atomic_RcX4d> i need help, was the windows installer package for ubuntu discontinued?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> !wubi | Atomic_RcX4d
[05:37] <sputnik13> lotuspsychje yeah, going to dig a little more first, thx
[05:38] <Atomic_RcX4d> We cannot discontinue Wubi Installer. Please demand it to be considered for future release versions
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> Atomic_RcX4d: that wont happen mate
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> Atomic_RcX4d: make an ubuntu usb stick/media to install ubuntu, like universal usb installer
[05:39] <Atomic_RcX4d> why not? it made everything easy and simple. now we have to buy hardware to insrall it? ugh...
[05:40] <Atomic_RcX4d> what about people without isb?
[05:40] <Atomic_RcX4d> usb
[05:40] <Atomic_RcX4d> lol
[05:40] <Atomic_RcX4d> there is laptops with no disk drives or usb
[05:40] <Atomic_RcX4d> what about them?
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> Atomic_RcX4d: cd,dvd,isoboot,..
[05:41] <bugzbunny> Atomic_RcX4d: Why do you want to install Ubuntu?
[05:41] <Atomic_RcX4d> is there a way to install ubuntu on android devices?
[05:41] <bugzbunny> What?
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> Atomic_RcX4d: yes, the ubports community can install ubuntu touch on some android devices
[05:42] <bugzbunny> Why?
[05:42] <bugzbunny> It's touch screen
[05:42] <Atomic_RcX4d> why does it really matter? what if i prefer ubuntu over this crap os i have?
[05:43] <bugzbunny> You going to have more hard time navigating
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> Atomic_RcX4d: depends of the device, some devices cant install ubuntu
[05:43] <bugzbunny> You can VM Ubuntu
[05:44] <bugzbunny> Probably be easier
[05:44] <Atomic_RcX4d> do i need an unlocked bootloader to install or flash ubuntu touch?
[05:44] <Atomic_RcX4d> do i need root?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> Atomic_RcX4d: are you trolling with us now? first wubi, now android?
[05:45] <Atomic_RcX4d> what is it not supported anymore either?
[05:45] <Atomic_RcX4d> you guys need to update
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Atomic_RcX4d: stop please, only ask ubuntu related questions here
[05:46] <Atomic_RcX4d> they are
[05:46] <Atomic_RcX4d> are you trolling?
[05:46] <sputnik13> (doh)
[05:46] <bugzbunny> Atomic_RcX4d: I am trying to help
[05:46] <sputnik13> apt-get autoremove was what I needed
[05:46] <sputnik13> lotuspsychje ^
[05:46] <sputnik13> thx
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> sputnik13: ahhh; holded back packages makes sense
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> sputnik13: +1
[05:47] <bugzbunny> Atomic_RcX4d: It's very unfortunate, while I am trying to help you, you using it for granted
[05:47] <bugzbunny> Atomic_RcX4d: I'd prefer, if you actually really need help, I can help you
[05:47] <bugzbunny> Otherwise, it's a bit disrespectful
[05:47] <Atomic_RcX4d> how im i using anything for granted?
[05:48] <bugzbunny> I want to help, but it seems you not take me seriously, and doing it in a playful way
[05:48] <Atomic_RcX4d> i asked a serious question
[05:48] <bugzbunny> I'd prefer, if you actually have a problem, we work on fix it that?
[05:49] <bugzbunny> Well, From what I read, that's not the case
[05:49] <Atomic_RcX4d> this isnt a fix a problem channel is basic ubuntu channel
[05:49] <Atomic_RcX4d> i had questions
[05:49] <Atomic_RcX4d> dont be a menace
[05:50] <bugzbunny> Atomic_RcX4d: Why are you here? because I'd like to see, they say you are trolling
[05:50] <bugzbunny> Atomic_RcX4d: If you believe that Ubuntu channel is about helping people
[05:50] <Atomic_RcX4d> im screenshotting everything because i know in irc channels admins can be abusive an pick fights with people just asking questions...
[05:50] <bugzbunny> What's the link Ubuntu channel guidelines
[05:50] <bugzbunny> !tos
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> Atomic_RcX4d: stop it please
[05:51] <bugzbunny> !https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[05:51] <Atomic_RcX4d> you guys are really steering me away from ising ubuntu at all. and you shouldnt make people feel that way when they come here for information. its not very professional
[05:52] <Atomic_RcX4d> now im leaving
[05:52] <Atomic_RcX4d> goood day
[05:53] <Atomic_RcX4d> !help
[05:54] <siva_machina> By telling you to follow the guidelines.
[05:54] <siva_machina> ?
[05:54] <siva_machina> Also last I check this channel is for Ubuntu not ubuntu-touch
[05:58] <Atomic_RcX4d> from guidelines Telling people to "RTFM" or to "just google it" is not very polite. Ideally, you should find them a link, or at least give them some directions to documentation they can use. 
[05:58] <Atomic_RcX4d> you basically left me to google everything you assholes
[05:58] <Atomic_RcX4d> peace
[05:59] <bugzbunny> I have been here two days
[05:59] <bugzbunny> I haven't seen that behavior you are talking about
[06:00] <Frankfurt_Soup> Is ubuntu-touch for mobile devices and such?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: canonical has detached ubuntu-touch project
[06:01] <bugzbunny> Frankfurt_Soup: AFAIK, it's discontinued
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: but the project has taken over by #ubports community and very alive
[06:01] <Frankfurt_Soup> Ok cool thanks for the info :-)
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: check their cool website for sure, and telegram group over 1000 users
[06:02] <Frankfurt_Soup> Im browsing the website now :-) whats telegram?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: telegram is a social chat program used from ubuntu and ubuntu-touch
[06:11] <Frankfurt_Soup> Lotuspsychje ok cool ill check it out, thanks
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: sudo snap find telegram on your ubuntu system
[06:20] <bugzbunny> Give a line?
[06:20] <bugzbunny> OOOPs
[06:20] <bugzbunny> I tab up
[06:20] <bugzbunny> Ignore me
[06:31] <Frankfurt_Soup> Ahhh looks like ubuntu-touch only supports one model of tablet :-(
[06:37] <Amit> irc.oftc.net:6667
[06:41] <bunnyman> Hi all
[06:42] <Frankfurt_Soup> Does anyone here have much experience with ubuntu-touch? Am i still able to instal it on a tablet thats not officially supported?
[06:42] <bunnyman> hmm, it's a matter if there is a driver available it
[06:42] <bunnyman> @Frankfurt_soup
[06:44] <Frankfurt_Soup> Ok so i can try to install it still but it just might not work?
[06:46] <bunnyman> yes the thing that makes it work is the support for touch interface through the available drivers @Frankfurt_soup
[06:48] <Frankfurt_Soup> Bunnyman ok cool so thats my project for tonight :-) might even try it on my old mate 9
[06:48] <bugzbunny> Yeah
[06:48] <bugzbunny> The touch interface
[06:48] <bugzbunny> Have fun
[06:48] <bunnyman> @Frankfurt_soup you have some fun...if worse comes to worse...make your own driver ;)
[06:49] <bunnyman> how do you do that? I have no idea but I can be done lol
[06:49] <Frankfurt_Soup> Bunnyman lol thats beyond my capabilites
[06:49] <maum> how can I access docker from outside?
[06:49] <maum> I installed oracle docker on ubuntu
[06:49] <bunnyman> @Frankfurt_soup Same on my part
[06:49] <bunnyman> @Maum assign a public ip
[06:50] <maum> bunnyman: on docker image?
[06:50] <maum> bunnyman: the ubuntu ip is the public ip
[06:50] <bunnyman> @maum are you talking about like a VM
[06:50] <bunnyman> like KVM or VB
[06:50] <bugzbunny> I don't DOcker to well
[06:50] <bunnyman> or ESXI?
[06:50] <maum> bunnyman: not actually VM but docker
[06:50] <bugzbunny> bunnyman: Docker is LXC
[06:51] <bunnyman> hmm let me research sorry
[06:51] <bunnyman> I get them confused
[06:51] <bugzbunny> Docker is like LXC
[06:51] <bunnyman> I think of the whale I think VM for some reason
[06:51] <bugzbunny> It's not VM
[06:51] <bugzbunny> It's a container
[06:51] <bugzbunny> I don't know docker to well
[06:52] <bunnyman> so a sandbox?
[06:52] <bugzbunny> Google lxc and coker
[06:52] <bugzbunny> docker
[06:52] <bugzbunny> You need to learn a bit more what it does, it's not just sandbox
[06:53] <bugzbunny> docker*
[06:53] <bunnyman> hmm will do, maybe I can use it...weird sorry @maum I wish I could help
[06:53] <bugzbunny> The best way to explain it
[06:53] <bugzbunny> It shares the same host kernel
[06:54] <bugzbunny> But you can contain different distributions
[06:54] <bugzbunny> You can do the same for applications
[06:55] <bunnyman> hmm interesting...definitely will get some more information on
[06:55] <bunnyman> thankyou @bugzbunny
[07:00] <bugzbunny> bunnyman: I have 7 Redhat containers
[08:08] <amosbird> Hello
[08:08] <amosbird> how can I make linux boot on DP2 ?
[08:09] <amosbird> it keeps switching back to the laptop screen and after xorg started, switching back
[08:28] <Frankfurt_Soup> Im going to switch my win10 laptop to ubuntu but im stuck deciding what flavour, do any in particular stand out over the others?
[08:30] <dadabidet> hello, cant I search for pattern in the "files" browser in ubuntu 16?
[08:31] <dadabidet> for example I want to display all image files in a directory that have many subdirectories
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: ubuntu 18.04 is comming out in april
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: otherwise any long time support version is a good choice in many cases
[08:32] <dadabidet> searching for *.png doesn't ork
[08:32] <dadabidet> work
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: flavor itself, is really a users choice, or if your hardware needs it?
[08:34] <Frankfurt_Soup> Lotuspsychje im tossing up between budgie or kde what are your opinions? My laptop is a predator gaming laptop so its got plenty of power
[08:35] <EriC^^> dadabidet: find -iname '*.png'
[08:35] <dadabidet> EriC^^, I meant in the Files manager, not in command line
[08:35] <ducasse> Frankfurt_Soup: boot both installers in 'try ubuntu' mode and see which one you like
[08:36] <dadabidet> although I just searched for "png" and it did what I wanted
[08:36] <EriC^^> ok cool
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: budgie is lightweight and kde uses more resources and eye candy
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Frankfurt_Soup
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: ask yourself what you really want/need perhaps? what will you be doing on your machine?
[08:40] <Frankfurt_Soup> Lotuspsychje general laptop stuff i guess, web browsing, some games, remote admin, just all sorts really lol
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: if your system can handle them, try them out as ducasse suggested, findout your personal likings :p
[08:42] <Frankfurt_Soup> The pc have a gtx 1060 an i7 7700hq cpu and 32gig ram
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: thats gona rocknroll mate, and welcome to the ubuntu community
[08:43] <Frankfurt_Soup> Yeah i guess i can always install another DE if i dont like the original
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: yeah you can test multiple DE's from one flavor aswell, but we reccomend if you like one, to clean install
[08:43] <Frankfurt_Soup> Im not exactly new to ubuntu but thanks :-) I already have an ubuntu server running for playing around with
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> Frankfurt_Soup: feel free to join us @ #ubuntu-discuss
[08:44] <Frankfurt_Soup> Lotuspsychje yeah ill do that, might start with kde cause its pretty lol and if i have any issues ill see how budgie goes
[08:48] <hateball> Frankfurt_Soup: make sure you install nvidia drivers asap, or you wont have a pleasant experience in plasma. nor will games work very well
[08:48] <hateball> Frankfurt_Soup: it is also quite possible you need to use !nomodeset to boot/install at all
[08:49] <Frankfurt_Soup> Hateball noted thanks :-)
[09:23] <yogg> hi
[09:24] <yogg> I try to migrate to netplan from network/interfaces. What I have not found yet is how to bring up an interface without config ("manual" keyword in network/interfaces)
[09:24] <yogg> does someone know how to do this in netplan?
[09:29] <yogg> In the migrate script (netplan ifupdown-migrate) is also nothing for "manual" https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/netplan/blob/master/netplan/cli/commands/migrate.py
[09:40] <jet> hello
[09:42] <immy1101> hi
[09:43] <immy1101> i have motion with a webcam running on system. when i start motion (records video when it detects motion) on the machine, it works as expected. But when I ssh in and start motion, it doesnt start recording upon detecting motion
[09:43] <immy1101> im assuming it is detecting motion
[09:43] <immy1101> i have a feeling it has something to do with the webcam
[09:44] <immy1101> i don't think the webcam is working when i run motion over ssh
[09:44] <immy1101> why would that be?
[09:52] <greatname> Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I suppose asking on the security forums takes a lot of time.
[09:52] <greatname> Router is safer than ethernet for security, right?
[09:53] <greatname> How would you protect your ethernet-wired pc?
[10:02] <^peter^> greatname Sure the ethernet is more secure locally, but you are still going to connect to a remote internet provider, and a more secure system there is to have a VPN, and encryption of your stuff to the VPN.
[10:03] <^peter^> Whether the VPN is trustworthy is another question ?
[10:06] <greatname> So if I've got it right, the VPN hides your ip (even from your router) so it can't be searched and exploited?
[10:07] <nerb> no, a vpn provides encryption from your machine to your router. Encryption beyond the router is not guaranteed. Your IP is not hidden.
[10:08] <nerb> "security over an untrusted network"
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[10:18] <herka_> hello, how do i safey clean /var/log
[10:18] <herka_> Its taking 6 GB
[10:18] <sundowndev> hi
[10:19] <xzr> herka_: try to find out the largest ones and just remove with rm
[10:19] <Jonno_FTW> does amdgpu-pro not work on 16.04.04?
[10:21] <JimBuntu> herka_, Please look into setting up logrotate
[10:33] <immy1101> i have motion with a webcam running on system. when i start motion (records video when it detects motion) on the machine, it works as expected. But when I ssh in and start motion, it doesnt start recording upon detecting motion
[10:33] <immy1101> i don't think the webcam is working when i run motion over ssh
[10:33] <immy1101> why would that be?
[10:33] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[10:33] <immy1101> hi
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[11:13] <nightlydawn> Hey does anybody have Osu! running stable on kubuntu
[11:14] <anon> g>
[11:17] <Amit> Amit
[11:26] <ElectroXexual> Hi
[11:33] <UnregisteredScum> G'day all, just wondering if anyone has experienced the grub install dummy failure and if there is any resolution? It appears to only happen with LUKS/LVM with explicit partitioning. It appears to work OK with the installer defaults for LUKS/LVM (with the downside being that the swap partition size can't be specified).
[11:44] <pragmaticenigma> UnregisteredScum, the installer doesn't have the ability to do that type of custom partitioning during install. You could try resizing the LVM partition after the fact and then create/move your swap to it's own partition outside LVM
[11:45] <pragmaticenigma> UnregisteredScum, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/356635/creating-custom-sized-lvm-partitions-during-installation-debian
[11:57] <howdy> hello
[11:59] <bluescreen> how open i a file as root to copy what in?
[11:59] <RoBz> sudo nano filename
[12:07] <OlofL> I have a Ubuntu VM Guest. Its running logical volume managed disk as root disk. How can I expand this _
[12:08] <rosco> Is there a way to know which package changed a file? (in my case /etc/pam.d/common-auth)
[12:10] <Simarillion> G'morning masters, journeymen/journeywomen, apprentices, helpers & fellow nubs.
[12:13] <UnregisteredScum> pragmaticenigma, I just assumed it would support such a setup, since that is how it does it when using the guided partitioning for encrypting the whole disk. I went the resizing route previously (i.e. shrink the file system, then the LV, and then expand the second LV), but it started spitting out superblock errors (maybe I just did something wrong), so I thought this might be the better approach.
[12:13] <puc> 12345
[12:14] <Simarillion> I came here as the answer eluded me EVERYwhere else (i mean 4 hours of mining the linux forums, tech forums re: efi boot partition settings for standalone xUbuntu to run solo on this ASUS after finaaally! getting the answer to a long time problem from happy_hacker in this channel.
[12:15] <Simarillion> My problem was created by 2 pranksters standing over me and lecturing me on settings. The last time i listened to these characters i trashed my whole grub.
[12:17] <Simarillion> I am now trying to become better aquainted with Gparted Live instead of gdisk/command line (using Ubuntu Live via bootable UEFI (fat 32 fs) USB thumb drive).
[12:18] <deem> OlofL: add a new disk or partition to the lvm and resize it and afterwards resize the fs
[12:20] <freakynl> Hi, I'm trying to use Ubuntu 17.10.1 live to change secure boot certificates. Upon running efi-readvar it says 'No efivarfs filesystem is mounted'. It is mounted however and visible under /sys/firmware/efi/efivars. Any ideas?
[12:20] <UnregisteredScum> Regardless, I don't know if the grub error is due to LVM or LUKS, and what the solution is. Whether to do all the partitioning manually before running the installer, or if I just accept the installer defaults and try to retrofit it afterwards. Either way, not very flexible.
[12:21] <Simarillion> All i ask is that if someone could, kindly, please correct me if I am wrong. The proper amount of space in the space provided to input the__ MiB preceeding the EFI boot partition is 1 mB, as i did before using gdisk. This is a standalone install of xUbuntu on a 'laptop'/ASUS vivo with UEFI bios set properly  as of yesterday night.
[12:22] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: My EFI system partitions are all 500 MiB, and I use either parted or gdisk in CLI. Are you booting UEFI or MBR?
[12:23] <Simarillion> I was ranked on and made sport of for 3 hours already and told I have to input 100 mB at least as MiB preceeding.
[12:23] <Simarillion> UEFI
[12:25] <EriC^^> Simarillion: no, a 1mb partition is used for booting gpt + legacy not uefi
[12:25] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: And your disk partitions have which label? parted /dev/sda print  where sda is *your* disk in question
[12:25] <UnregisteredScum> It doesn't require trailing space. It requires 17KiB at the start of the disk for the protective MBR and the GPT header and entries, but is usually allocated 1MiB for alignment purposes. The same applies to the end of the disk, except there is no protective MBR, so it's only 16.5KiB plus whatever space is required to align it to a 1MiB boundary. Is that what you mean?
[12:26] <Simarillion> It was running Windows 8.1, i took out the old HDD and installed SSD. I figured out and calculated all my partitions so that NO space beyond 1 mB would be left unused.
[12:26] <Simarillion> So 1 MiB preceeding the EFI boot partition is correct, in essence.
[12:27] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: The question is whether your disk partition table is gpt or mbr (msdos).
[12:27] <UnregisteredScum> Yes, but as free space, doesn't need to be partitioned.
[12:27] <Simarillion> dev/sda
[12:27] <Simarillion> dev-sda
[12:27] <UnregisteredScum> But you could have only 17KiB preceeding and it would work if you didn't require alignment on 1MiB boundaries.
[12:28] <Simarillion> dev-sda
[12:28] <UnregisteredScum> But most of the partitioning software seems to just slap it at 1MiB.
[12:28] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: issue:  parted /dev/sda print|curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io    and give us the link please
[12:28] <Simarillion> Oh, THAT is GREAT news. 17 kB!!
[12:29] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: Here is just one of my laptops booting UEFI with GPT table: http://ix.io/10UA
[12:30] <Simarillion> Yes that is what i needed to go over. I know it didn't need me to enter the trailing space..but the start of the protective boot /mbr
[12:31] <happy_hacker> Simarillion: And btw, I partitioned that disk the way I wanted and installed: DISTRIB_RELEASE=17.10
[12:31] <Simarillion> i read the entire Linux magazine article on SSD, page, block and GPT volumes! lol, you made my day again, it has been Hell-O here this a.m.
[12:31] <UnregisteredScum> In the context of the installer, it will take whatever space you assign for the initial partition (i.e. ESP) and subtract 1MiB to automatically make room for the headers at the start of the disk, so if you're OCD like I am, just add an extra 1MiB to the initial partition.
[12:31]  * happy_hacker must be on ignore
[12:32] <happy_hacker> UnregisteredScum: Where did you come up with this hypothesis?  ;)
[12:32] <Simarillion> It is standalone xUbuntu.
[12:33] <Simarillion> Ooooh, very nice..512 gb SSD.
[12:33] <Simarillion> Yes, I'm a GPT volume.
[12:33] <UnregisteredScum> Spent the last 3 days reading documentation and determining header sizes to get partitions perfectly rounded... certainly not saying I'm an authority on the matter.
[12:34] <Simarillion> GPT table. Windows 8.1 x64 bit was the previous OS on this machine's former HDD.
[12:34] <UnregisteredScum> (But your offset of 1049kB/1024kiB seems to support what I just mentioned.)
[12:34] <Simarillion> Only one solid state drive. The 256 SSD is a virgin (blank) drive.
[12:36] <Simarillion> Yes but I have to go back in after the install and align the SSD. Gparted Live can also do this.
[12:36] <Simarillion> Align the partitions on the SSD.
[12:37] <UnregisteredScum> You shouldn't need to align them unless you're OCD. I believe the alignment was for performance purposes with mechanical hard drives.
[12:38] <sreejai> hey there
[12:38] <Simarillion> Optimally, it would have been better to have one full primary partition for everything. Adding a swap partition is not ideal for the efficiency and longevity of the SSD. I consulted the OEM re: that and the Ubuntu OS is really a great OS to run on SSD.
[12:39] <Simarillion> No, the tech journals provide input on the matter. One moment..
[12:42] <Simarillion> If I UEFI BIOS/GPT what should i set the space preceeding the EFI boot partition (if 1 MiB is incorrect for this machine)
[12:43] <Simarillion> I haven't partitioned the drive yet.
[12:43] <Simarillion> I must be OCD.
[12:44] <UnregisteredScum> GPT is 17kiB at the start of the disk, and is only 1MiB in total for alignment, but if you're using the installer, it will automatically allocate it for you but subtracting 1MiB from whatever you specify as the initial partition size (for GPT disks, typically the ESP).
[12:44] <OlofL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MGxGxVFkJ3/ why wasnt my disk expanded?
[12:44] <josNZ> Hi, after configuring my wireless card during the server installer it autostarts at boot and after installing cinnamon the wireless it connected but the network manager applet says wireless unavailable.
[12:45] <josNZ> How can I get the applet to manage my wireless
[12:46] <UnregisteredScum> You have to resize the file system within the LV.
[12:50] <Simarillion> I'm going to use gdisk to verify it again (to be absolutely sure I have GPT capability)
[12:50] <TheTechGuy> [08:49]  TheTechGuy: Is it possible to have burpsuite and owasp running at the same time?
[12:50] <UnregisteredScum> From memory, there was a parameter for the lvextend to automatically resize the underlying file system, I think -r.
[12:50] <UnregisteredScum> But you can do it manually as well.
[12:50] <TheTechGuy> Help is appreciated👍
[12:51] <Simarillion> It has been a rough morning.."don't poke the bear"..please.
[12:52] <UnregisteredScum> Anyway, have fun, bye for now.
[12:58] <Simarillion> Yes, GPT (i checked it thricely, yesterday afternoon, 4 times last night and now this morning) reads, MBR protective, BSD not present, APM not present, GPT present (238.5 GB free)
[12:58] <Simarillion> etc.
[12:59] <TheTechGuy> You having issues?
[12:59] <TheTechGuy> Dm me
[13:00] <Simarillion> What is Dm?
[13:00] <EriC^^> Simarillion: what's your problem?
[13:00] <Simarillion> UnregisteredScum left.
[13:02] <EriC^^> oh good, maybe you can memoserv him, this channel is for ubuntu support issues
[13:02] <Simarillion> I have a GPT volume and the only question i have is what increment of MiB do i need to input in the space provided in GParted Live (try/then install because I'm pre-partitioning - prepping my partitions prior to install and will select the "Something Else" option to manually partition my GPT volume (machine/ASUS Vivobook UEFI Bios)
[13:02] <EriC^^> Simarillion: ^
[13:03] <EriC^^> Simarillion: anything over 100mb will do, the uefi standard is 512mib iirc
[13:04] <Simarillion> What proper amount of space is necessary to input for the allotment of space that need to preceed the EFI boot partition?
[13:04] <Simarillion> Do i leave that blank?
[13:04] <EriC^^> Simarillion: yeah it will take care of the alignment
[13:06] <Simarillion> UnregisteredScum said it was 17KiB.
[13:06] <EriC^^> Simarillion: just make sure to select the partition type as EFI and set the filesystem to fat32
[13:07] <EriC^^> hmm, i dont think so, i think he's referring to msdos partition table, the part where grub is embedded usually
[13:08] <EriC^^> it's not an issue on gpt, and that space is nonexistent, which is why for legacy booting you need to manually create a 1mib partition for it to be embedded in
[13:09] <Simarillion> I did this EriC
[13:09] <EriC^^> ?
[13:09] <Simarillion> So no 1 MiB preceeding.
[13:09] <Simarillion> Leave that space blank.
[13:10] <EriC^^> Simarillion: it will have 1 mib by default because of gpt
[13:10] <EriC^^> this is my partition table, it's gpt http://termbin.com/as23
[13:11] <Simarillion> I disabled Fast Boot, Launch CSM and Secure Boot Control in BIOS boot settings, altogether as per happy_hacker's advice.
[13:11] <EriC^^> that sounds good
[13:13] <Simarillion> Okay. SO i had it accordingly and my prankster relatives who came by with after there breakfast for scones and coffee made the most of trying to make a wreck of me by trying to confuse me.
[13:13] <Simarillion> They run Ubuntu GNOME/UNITY.
[13:14] <Simarillion> Several distros.
[13:14] <Simarillion> I'm very grateful for this channel.
[13:14] <EriC^^> yeah the ubuntu community is pretty helpful in general
[13:14] <Simarillion> Is it wrong to go back in and align the SSD partition before installing xUbuntu EriC^^
[13:15] <Frankfurt_Soup> hi guys what can i do about this error? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5HQNqNjmTg/
[13:15] <Simarillion> I can do that with GParted.
[13:15] <EriC^^> Simarillion: if you want to sure why not
[13:15] <Simarillion> I'm trying to learn to use GParted Live aside from Gdisk.
[13:16] <EriC^^> Frankfurt_Soup: it means windows was hibernated or fast shutdown was used, and you can't mount it read-write
[13:17] <EriC^^> Frankfurt_Soup: you could boot into windows and restart instead of shutting down to avoid the fast shutdown
[13:17] <EriC^^> Simarillion: yeah, gdisk is pretty powerful, if you're learning about it that's great
[13:17] <Frankfurt_Soup> EriC^^ thats my data drive in my laptop which is now running kubuntu
[13:18] <Frankfurt_Soup> is there anything else i can do?
[13:18] <EriC^^> Frankfurt_Soup: ah, well, you could either mount it read-only, or you could use the 'ntfsfix' program to remove the hibernation
[13:18] <Simarillion> You have to know the formulas for aligning using gdisk (various multiplicands and multipliers for offsets
[13:19] <Simarillion> I have them written down. Thank you EriC^^
[13:20] <EriC^^> Simarillion: i usually just create a partition table, and let gdisk handle the default starting sector
[13:20] <Frankfurt_Soup> EriC^^ mounting it read only will allow me to copy needed files from it still wont it?
[13:20] <EriC^^> Frankfurt_Soup: yup, it would
[13:21] <Frankfurt_Soup> ok sweet thats a job for tomorrow :-)
[13:21] <Frankfurt_Soup> EriC^^ thanks for the help
[13:21] <EriC^^> Frankfurt_Soup: no problem :)
[13:23] <Simarillion> I have all the partitions calculated to make the most of partitioning the whole drive. It seems the boot partitions have expanded to 500 Kb - 1 Gb to allow for adding boot/volume rescue tools + the ubuntu installation *.iso
[13:23] <Simarillion> Maybe that doesn't pertain to a small SSD like mine.
[13:24] <akik> a few years ago (before uefi?) the tools defaulted the first partition to start at 64 sectors
[13:25] <akik> now it's 2048 512-byte sectors = 1 MiB
[13:25] <Simarillion> Buckets and ducats of thanx EriC^^, happy_hacker, and wherever UnregisteredScum (some nick, he has there) went off to.
[13:26] <Simarillion> I could not find this specific information in any post on the Ubuntu Forums/Ask Ubuntu/Tech forums/sites
[13:28] <Simarillion> I ran out of coffee and cigarettes, those were delivered and paid for thanks to the trusty pranksters who tried to scramble my brains with bad reco and advice regarding this issue.
[13:29] <akik> Simarillion: here's somebody who's drawn a picture of it https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/81556/area-on-disk-after-the-mbr-and-before-the-partition-start-point/81596#81596
[13:29] <Simarillion> I love, love THIS channel, and the people who give a care to lend a hand to an old gal.
[13:29] <akik> even a history lesson :)
[13:29] <JimBuntu> Simarillion, then you may also like #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:31] <Simarillion> Thanks for the channel info. I will enjoy it. Need a break from setup.
[13:31] <Simarillion> Thank you. Will not interrupt further while you advise others.
[13:32] <Simarillion> B'bye channel. Much thanks.
[13:35] <estevam> hey
[13:35] <estevam> whats uo
[13:35] <estevam> whats up
[14:08] <mister1_> hey
[14:09] <Hulio> is there anyway to get rid of the left side menu ?
[14:09] <Hulio> i really hate left side menu
[14:09] <Hulio> I would prefer menu on the top
[14:09] <zanshin> Hulio: Use i3? :)
[14:09] <Hulio> just like the old ubuntu
[14:10] <Hulio> zanshin, yes I use Intel i3
[14:10] <Hulio> why is that?
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio, you can chose a different desktop environment like XFCE, LXDE, KDE
[14:10] <Hulio> I have no clude
[14:10] <zanshin> Not Intel i3, the i3 window manager
[14:10] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio, there is no method for changing the sidebar into a drop down menu in Unity
[14:11] <Hulio> all i know is download ubuntu and install
[14:11] <Hulio> maybe show some directions?
[14:11] <zanshin> I was being facetious
[14:11] <leftyfb> Hulio: if you're running 16.04, you can follow this: https://www.debugpoint.com/2016/04/install-classic-gnome-flashback-in-ubuntu-16-04-replacing-unity/
[14:11] <Hulio> i am on 16.04
[14:11] <Hulio> ok thanks
[14:12] <leftyfb> Hulio: This is what I use. It's based on gnome 2.x
[14:14] <Pyta> help
[14:14] <leftyfb> :/
[14:14] <pragmaticenigma> Please ask your question Pyta, there isn't much we can do with the word Help
[14:14] <RoBz> he gone
[14:15] <RoBz> after 5 seconds xD
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> Thanks RoBz, I have join/part disabled in my client... it gets too busy otherwise
[14:16] <RoBz> true that, i need to turn that on for this channel actually
[14:18] <Hulio> must better now
[14:18] <Hulio> I love classic
[14:18] <Hulio> why do they change it to a left menu?
[14:18] <Hulio> so badly
[14:18] <Hulio> thanks for your help
[14:19] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio, wish I knew, there are channels dedicated to gnome and other desktop managers. You might find the answer there.
[14:19] <Hulio> :)
[14:19] <Hulio> love the classic look... :) very happy
[14:20] <ecormier> Hulio: maybe check out mate
[14:20] <ecormier> not sure how 'classic' you mean
[14:21] <garda> ciao
[14:21] <garda> !list
[14:21] <mister1_> garda: ciao
[14:22] <garda> ciao
[14:22] <garda> !list
[14:22] <leftyfb> garda: please stop
[14:23] <Hulio> ok lastly, how can i do sftp server ?
[14:23] <Hulio> i remember i did it awhile ago
[14:23] <Hulio> enable sftp server
[14:23] <ecormier> I would suggest forgetting about sftp and look into sshfs
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio, if you have openssh-server installed, you already have sftp enabled aswell
[14:24] <Hulio> yeah something like that
[14:24] <Hulio> ssh
[14:24] <Hulio> yeah, now i remember, how to install ssh ?
[14:24] <ecormier> openssh-server
[14:24] <Hulio> sudo apt-get install openssh-server ?
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[14:24] <Hulio> ok brb
[14:25] <krukudilo> Hulio, if you don't want ssh I recommend vsftpd
[14:25] <Hulio> i want ssh
[14:25] <Hulio> after install i'm done?
[14:25] <Hulio> how about adding user ?
[14:25] <Hulio> instead of using my login
[14:26] <Hulio> basically, i want someone to sftp to me, but i want to create an account for that person though
[14:28] <Hulio> also what is sftp port use?
[14:28] <Hulio> i need to port forwarding
[14:29] <black_13> is there an alternative to samba to connect between ubuntu filesystem to windows?
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio, the default port for SSH/SFTP is 22, you will have to add a new user account to your system for an external user to be able to SFTP to you
[14:33] <Hulio> yes, but the problem is how to add new account? :)
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> black_13, you can use SFTP/SCP, however it does require an application to perform the file transfer. There is no built in tool other than windows file sharing in windows
[14:33] <EriC^^> Hulio: sudo adduser <username>
[14:33] <Hulio> ah, thanks
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> Hulio, here is al ittle more indepth answer
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-and-delete-users-on-ubuntu-16-04
[14:37] <black_13> i can connect via samba but the authentication is not working
[14:37] <black_13> which password applies to samba the password for the user or the samba password
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> samba manages it's own users and passwords. So the password may not be the same as your ubuntu system password
[14:39] <kiwi-n66> grtgrg
[14:39] <kiwi-n66> erfuhperf
[14:39] <kiwi-n66> sorry, wrong window. xx
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> kiwi-n66, remember to change your passwords now
[14:39] <black_13> the user is ask for is companydomain\black_13
[14:40] <black_13> not just "black_13"
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> Is this for a company network with Active Directory?
[14:40] <black_13> no but i am on a company domain
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> Is the Ubuntu server part of the company domain?
[14:41] <black_13> i dont think so
[14:41] <black_13> oddly this worked yesterday
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> I think you can remove the domain prefix to the user name and it will work
[14:43] <black_13> i just noticed something my machine is on a domain
[14:43] <black_13> its black_13@company-name:/home/black_13
[14:51] <max111111> ddddddd
[14:59] <pagios> hello, say  i  have a hardware raid1 with 2 disks, if i remove one disk, plug it into computer , mount it and write some data and do the same for the other disk on another pc and then replug both disks into the raid 1 hardware, what would happen who overwrites who?
[15:00] <eforever> hello
[15:01] <TJ-> pagios: real hardware RAID devices? depends if you over-write RAID metadata or not
[15:01] <pagios> yes
[15:02] <TJ-> pagios: if you only write to the file-systems within the device, the hardware controller won't know or care, but the OS and applications likely will be rather upset
[15:03] <eforever> what is the purpose of this app?
[15:04] <pagios> TJ-, the hw controller wont care but will overwrite who on who?
[15:04] <happy_hacker> Where do I report bugs with software from launchpad? Should I go directly to the owner of that repo?
[15:05] <TJ-> pagios: there is no 'overwrite' - you'll just have 2 supposedly identical file-systems with different content, and depending on which disk reads come from the OS and applications will see different data, which is likely to mess things up very quickly
[15:06] <happy_hacker> eforever: define: this app
[15:06] <TJ-> happy_hacker: do you packages from Personal Package Archives (PPAs) ? Then yes, to the PPA owner
[15:06] <Hulio> guys, looks like chrome for ubuntu running(refresh) slow than chrome in windows
[15:06] <Hulio> is that true?
[15:06] <pagios> TJ-, so hardware raid checks on the filesystem level for consistency and not on the bits level?
[15:07] <Hulio> for some reason, i experience slower in vmware while it runs faster in window
[15:07] <Hulio> maybe I should use firefox but i love chrome!
[15:07] <happy_hacker> TJ-: http://ppa.launchpad.net/go-for-it-team/go-for-it-daily/ubuntu artful InRelease
[15:08] <TJ-> pagios: it can depend on the RAID controller; if you make changes to the data in the file-systems independently and put the disks back, unless the HW controller reads and compares every sector of the disks it won't know there's corruption
[15:08] <happy_hacker> TJ-: I didn't really understand "do you packages from Personal Package Archives (PPAs)"? I assume "do you use", and, <1w in Ubuntu and didn't know what PPA designated. Thanks
[15:08] <TJ-> pagios: generally, unless the HW controller already knows of a problem with one of the array members, it won't do a scan-and-rebuild.
[15:09] <happy_hacker> pagios: I'd bet a lot of renminbi that you will have corruption. Don't do eet.
[15:09] <TJ-> happy_hacker: arghh, my typos strike again!
[15:09] <Kharma-Scribbles> @Hulio I used to be strict Chrome for 10+ years, lately it's been super slow so just the other day I switched to Firefox 59.. love it.
[15:09] <happy_hacker> TJ-: np, my Asperger's leaves me not much room for guessing. I've been wanting to dialog with this guy, so it's a good time.
[15:12] <Kharma-Scribbles> I'm new to Linux, and I'm new to using the command line, but I'm trying to learn.. I screwed up my SD card reader trying to reformat and make a new partition and fs today and I'm at a loss trying to figure out how to fix this..
[15:13] <Kharma-Scribbles> I can not mount my SD card .
[15:13] <happy_hacker> Kharma-Scribbles: in a terminal issue "journalctl -f" and then plug it in
[15:13] <happy_hacker> Kharma-Scribbles: as root
[15:13] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: is it just one SD-card or are you having problems with other SD-cards too?
[15:14] <happy_hacker> Kharma-Scribbles: after it reads it, issue "blkid|curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io" and post the link
[15:14] <Kharma-Scribbles> it says invalid filesystem
[15:16] <Kharma-Scribbles> https://pastebin.com/c6GmwWsN
[15:17] <Kharma-Scribbles> http://ix.io/10XK
[15:18] <happy_hacker> Kharma-Scribbles: nothing about it shows up in the first paste
[15:18] <severnfold> sup guys
[15:18] <happy_hacker> severnfold: work
[15:18] <severnfold> need some help if you got  few mins
[15:19] <severnfold> man im working from home today but hardly got any actual work done
[15:19] <Kharma-Scribbles> re: SD card.. when I try to mount from file manager for instance I get this error
[15:19] <Kharma-Scribbles> Error mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 at /media/chrx/0CBB-09B9: Command-line `mount -t "exfat" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,namecase=0,errors=remount-ro,umask=0077" "/dev/mmcblk1p1" "/media/chrx/0CBB-09B9"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat'
[15:19] <happy_hacker> Kharma-Scribbles: leave the "journalctl -f" running, unplug it, plug it in, wait until something about it shows up
[15:19] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: oh, that's easy!
[15:20] <kostkon> Kharma-Scribbles, you need install the exfat packages
[15:20] <Kharma-Scribbles> Lol I'm so noob I have reformatted multi times and just cant get this
[15:20] <severnfold> anyone any ideas how to get the bcm4360 nic working?
[15:20] <klr> Anyone know a terminal based Bonjour/mDNS chat client other than finch (requires a lot of X libraries)?
[15:21] <Kharma-Scribbles> I need a filesystem cokmpatible with installing/running steam games, so Linux needs to exacute files in it
[15:21] <happy_hacker> Kharma-Scribbles: so it is used by some other OS?
[15:22] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: read the message. it refers to mmcblk1p1 that's MMC BLocK device 1 Partition 1 but your pastebin shows only mmcblk0 (device 0)
[15:22] <Kharma-Scribbles> So, not Fat32 basically.
[15:22] <happy_hacker> NTFS?
[15:22] <Kharma-Scribbles> yes
[15:23] <happy_hacker> apt-get install ntfs-3g ... Linux and that other OS can both read NTFS
[15:23] <happy_hacker> Kharma-Scribbles: You'll need ntfs-3g for write access; do not enable/use any of the NTFS modules in the kernel, just the ntfs-3g package.
[15:24] <TJ-> !info exfat-utils | Kharma-Scribbles: do you have this package installed?
[15:25] <severnfold> anyone?
[15:25] <Kharma-Scribbles> I do
[15:25] <Kharma-Scribbles> sorry I'm so slow with all this
[15:26] <severnfold> is that an answer to me kharma?
[15:26] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: the PC has an internall MMC device that it boots from as well as the external card reader, is that correct?
[15:26] <TJ-> !b43
[15:27] <zed_> he has followed the forums and still has errors i told him to ask here
[15:27] <Kharma-Scribbles> I have ntfs-3g..
[15:27] <Kharma-Scribbles> @TJ thats correct
[15:27] <severnfold> sup zed
[15:27] <Kharma-Scribbles> I duel boot with Chrome OS
[15:27] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: OK, have you tried a reboot? it could be the reader controller/driver has got confused and it'll be fine once it's been restarted
[15:28] <zed_> the b43 installer is latest version but wireless still dosen't work
[15:28] <TJ-> !info exfat-fuse | Kharma-Scribbles also ensure you have this package
[15:28] <Kharma-Scribbles> Yes, I've shut down and rebooted.. my USB device is read, my SD card slot was working fine before I started playing with the partition tables etc
[15:29] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: If the reader itself is no longer appearing the first thing I'd check is the firmware setup menus at boot-time, in case it has somehow been disabled in firmware. These things aren't unknown!
[15:30] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: also, sometimes, a complete power-off reboot can be required rather than a warm-reboot, in order to fully reset a problem device
[15:30] <Kharma-Scribbles> @TJ installing exfat-fuse now
[15:31] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: if it wasn't installed that was the cause of the File Manager message that included " mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat' "
[15:31] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: so now hopefully all you need to do is bring the MMC reader bakc to life!
[15:34] <anchnk> hey, ubuntu LTS with unity, is there a built-in shortcut or a simple way to move mouse focus from one screen to the other using the keyboard ?
[15:34] <Kharma-Scribbles> ... Wow
[15:34] <Kharma-Scribbles> @TJ thank you
[15:34] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: working now?
[15:35] <Kharma-Scribbles> Yes, and I saved a test text file and all works great as it should
[15:35] <Kharma-Scribbles> I feel dumb wow lol
[15:35] <Kharma-Scribbles> so easy
[15:36] <Kharma-Scribbles> Thanks to everyone. I am slowly learning I love that I switched away from Windows
[15:39] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: we love the command line and log files because we can generally diagnose everything via them
[15:42] <lmat> Kharma-Scribbles: Welcome.
[15:43] <Kharma-Scribbles> Believe it or not I've come a long way but now that I'm playing around though I'm breaking everything.
[15:44] <TJ-> Kharma-Scribbles: I know the feeling! Best to 'play' inside a Virtual Machine if you can
[15:46] <super_koza> Hi there!
[15:47] <super_koza> I have a dual boot with Windows 10 and Ubuntu 16.04.
[15:47] <super_koza> I can't mount the Windows partition.
[15:48] <iglo> why would u want to?
[15:48] <super_koza> Because I have a dual boot setup and I need to share data between systems.
[15:49] <super_koza> I have turned off the fast boot option in Windows.
[15:49] <Kharma-Scribbles> @TJ I never thought about that, since I can't figure out how to use a GUI on my Linux instance on E2 I just got frustrated with the Cloud option and that's when I looked into duel booting..
[15:49] <Kharma-Scribbles> my original plan was to use my linux VM to run desktop apps from my ChromeOS
[15:49] <super_koza> I also tried restarting Windows and booting into Ubuntu, to achieve the full shut down, but that didn't help...
[15:49] <super_koza> Here is the error message: https://ibb.co/jv1tuc
[15:49] <Kharma-Scribbles> since Chrome can't run Steam etc
[15:50] <TJ-> super_koza: it tells you "Windows is hibernated"
[15:50] <super_koza> This is how I try to auto-mount it: https://ibb.co/djR9Zc
[15:51] <super_koza> TJ-: I have no idea what I could else do to bring it out of the hibernated state...
[15:51] <super_koza> As I said, fast boot is turned off and I tried restarting Windows and booting into Ubuntu...
[15:56] <TJ-> super_koza: there's a flag in NTFS file-systems that indicates if the hibernate image is active; it seems it is in your case. Not sure how you influence that other than disabling fastboot and doing a proper shutdown
[15:57] <super_koza> TJ-: Damn, I did just that...
[15:59] <zulrax_> hey i have a problem where the amdgpupro kernel module fail to build, this is the install progress https://pastebin.com/5W5HMCPS . and here is the crash report https://pastebin.com/p80WJkDf
[16:00] <Silversword> Is there a standard mechanism in Ubuntu somewhere for handling scheduled automatic LVM snapshots as cryptolocker protection for a SMB server? Anyone know of articles...my google searches haven't found anything.
[16:06] <TJ-> !info snapper | Silversword
[16:07] <Silversword> Many thx TJ- I'll check that out :)
[16:17] <sla3k> Hi, So I have this issue here where the server is Ubuntu 16.10 (code name yakkety) which reached EOL back in July 2017; I want to install a few packages on this machine, is it possible in any way (minus the manual compile)...?
[16:18] <sjohnson> probably a FAQ but, how does one know what values to stick in fstab when mount /blah /somewhere works automatically?
[16:19] <sla3k> Right now I am getting this while doing "apt update": https://pastebin.com/9nZPXY9j
[16:20] <TJ-> sla3k: edit /etc/apt/sources.list  and use http://old-releases.ubuntu.com instead of http://archive.ubuntu.com/  ... and then upgrade to a supported release!
[16:20] <TJ-> !eolupgrade | sla3k
[16:20] <sla3k> TJ-: thanks, will look at those.
[16:21] <sneakyimp> am I correct in understanding that there's no apt package option for getting apache running in event mode?
[16:22] <sneakyimp> i tried setting apache to event mode but it complained that php was not compiled for threaded mode. i uninstalled/reinstalled libapache2-mod-php7.0 and it switched apache back to prefork
[16:29] <nacc> sneakyimp: yes, i believe that is correct
[16:35] <freecoder> hi all, how do i install the ncurses-devel package on 17.10? apt throws the following error - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sP4K8YsFwz/
[16:36] <freecoder> ah installing libncurses-dev fixed it
[16:42] <HorribleProgram> Hello ubunutu, I plugged in a fresh usb that I just bought (16GB)
[16:42] <HorribleProgram> it only has 4.1MB of free space, the rest (16GB) is not free space, it says "Partition 1 16 GB FAT"
[16:43] <maddawg2> HorribleProgram, is it a fake chinese flash drive?
[16:44] <maddawg2> lol
[16:44] <HorribleProgram> Verbatim
[16:44] <HorribleProgram> never heard of them :P
[16:44] <maddawg2> or maybe you dont have it formatted correctly
[16:44] <HorribleProgram> I never formatted it
[16:44] <HorribleProgram> idk how to
[16:44] <pavlos> HorribleProgram: use gparted to see partitions
[16:44] <hggdh> HorribleProgram: so, what is the problem? It is pre-allocated as FAT
[16:44] <HorribleProgram> pavlos: I'm using the disks utility in GNOME
[16:45] <HorribleProgram> hggdh: I believe so
[16:45] <HorribleProgram> can I put a movie on it to give to my dad even if it's FAT?
[16:45] <hggdh> HorribleProgram: ys, you can
[16:45] <HorribleProgram> hggdh: okay sweet.
[16:46] <HorribleProgram> btw, different file system types are stupid af
[16:47] <kostkon> HorribleProgram, fat is the only safe bet actually
[16:47] <hggdh> HorribleProgram: no, they are not. Different filesystems usually cater to different use scenarios
[16:50] <sneakyimp> nacc: thanks for response. can you suggest the best way to get apache running in event mode with php7-fpm?
[16:51] <sneakyimp> nacc: I'm also concerned about breaking apache/php when i update packages. e.g., what if i apt-get upgrade and it reverts apache to prefork? is that something i need to worry about?
[16:56] <sere> i added this to fstab and now cant write to the drive. UUID=4C6C38516C3837D2 /media/wd ntfs-3g defaults,uid=0,gid=0,umask=0022,fmask=0133 0 0
[17:05] <pavlos> sere: what's the output of 'mount | grep media'
[17:06] <sere> pavlos: /dev/sdb1 on /media/wd type fuseblk (rw,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[17:14] <pavlos> sere: it is rw
[17:15] <pavlos> sere: what are the perms of /media/wd
[17:17] <akik> SergioMeneses: you set uid=0 and gid=0 <= root user
[17:19] <xgpt> what is the expected release date for the next LTS? also when is LTS support supposed to fall off? I'm debating between the current regular ubuntu and the current LTS. I just want to install-once-and-forget desktop experience for a lenovo SL410 laptop I have. It's older I know, but I'm just looking for something that will be ***STABLE*** and **FAST**. Also are there any suggestions for non-mainline releases
[17:19] <xgpt> for my use-case? I used to use GNOME back in the day, and prefer a VERY VERY simple desktop experience. xubuntu/lubuntu are appealing but I worry about stability compared to the mainline releases/LTS release and the DEFAULT desktop. Are LUBUNTU/XUBUNTU well supported variants? (is XUBUNTU even developed anymore? I only ever see references to LUBUNTU)
[17:20] <xgpt> how stable is bionic beaver?
[17:22] <bugzbunny> xgpt: I hear, for 18.04, you should wait 3 months, before installing as rule of thumb
[17:22] <bugzbunny> xgpt: It's on the 26th, of April though
[17:22] <bugzbunny> s/on/out/
[17:23] <xgpt> bugzbunny: that's very fair. I always seem to find myself looking up where a distro is in the release cycle and it's ALWAYS right right **RIGHT** before the NEXT LTS cycle lolol. I guess 16.04 is still plenty well supported for office/web browsing use?
[17:23] <bugzbunny> Google Ubuntu LTS life-cycle
[17:23] <bugzbunny> !lifecycle
[17:23] <xgpt> which variant would y'all suggest for a student who just needs FAST and NON LAGGY web browsing/office suite use? (whatever suite is default will be good)
[17:23] <tgm4883> xgpt: Ubuntu LTS is 5 years
[17:24] <tgm4883> flavor LTS I believe is 3 years
[17:24] <xgpt> so 16.04 will get not just security but also feature releases? I was confused by my findings because I'm not sure what sa
[17:24] <xgpt> what a "hardware" vs. a "maintainance" update is. I'
[17:24] <xgpt> I'm used to seeing "security-only" and such
[17:24] <tgm4883> !hwe
[17:26] <xgpt> but like...for instance. How updated will Firefox be compared to the NEXT lts release?
[17:26] <xgpt> specifically that actually loll
[17:26] <tgm4883> firefox will get updated
[17:28] <akik> sere: you set uid=0 and gid=0 <= root user
[17:28] <xgpt> so I can just stick with 16.04 and it'll stay pretty much good as 18.04?
[17:29] <hggdh> xgpt: yes, you can keep on 16.04, you still have 3 years of support
[17:30] <hggdh> xgpt: on the other hand, most packages will only receive bug/security fixes (apart from HWE, FFOX, X stack, and perhaps a few others)
[17:31] <hggdh> xgpt: but you can also use snap for more up-to-date *versions* (like LibreOffice)
[17:34] <xgpt> fair. So my real question is, mate vs ubuntu-gnome-desktop vs ubuntu-desktop. I don't understand the difference between mate vs. ubuntu-gnome-desktop, but I don't really like unity and want to stick with what I know, I haven't used a linux desktop since...ugh...2008? 2009? what's the most similar to that? I'd like to stay current though.
[17:34] <xgpt> will non-ubuntu-desktop(unity) be more buggy? I'm going to be upgrading my ubuntu server installation of 16.04 on this sl410
[17:34] <happy_hacker> xgpt: sounds like Mate, which iirc, is forked Gnome2
[17:35] <tgm4883> xgpt: ubuntu mate uses the mate desktop
[17:35] <tgm4883> and as happy_hacker stated, gnome 2
[17:38] <leftyfb> xgpt: why do you need a desktop on a server to begin with?
[17:38] <cetrtek> hello how tu run wine in lubuntu
[17:39] <leftyfb> cetrtek: wine <windows program name>
[17:39] <leftyfb> cetrtek: wine <windows executable name>
[17:40] <leftyfb> cetrtek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[17:40] <cetrtek> how to start it with right mouse button
[17:43] <xgpt> leftyfb: it's a laptop I used to use as a server for tinkering, but I need a new desktop because I just need a second desktop right now, so just need to install the rest of the packages
[17:52] <francisv> Hi. Question about environment variables in Ubuntu 17.10.  At the very end of my '~/.bashrc' file, I add 'export MYVARIABLE=value'.  In terminal, the variable is there when I do `echo $MYVARIABLE', but no other applications inherit those variables.
[17:53] <francisv> For example, evince does not do it, Emacs starting from a launcher either
[17:53] <francisv> Where should I set environment variables in Ubuntu?
[17:53] <akik> francisv: if you start the application, it'll be inherited. another place to put environment variable would be /etc/profile.d or /etc/environment
[17:53] <akik> francisv: i meant if you start the application FROM the terminal
[17:53] <francisv> akik: I assumed all the time they would be inherit, but they don't
[17:54] <francisv> akik: yes, if I start the application from the terminal they are inherit
[17:54] <francisv> but I start applications from the Ubuntu launch pad
[17:55] <akik> francisv: read my message -^
[17:55] <francisv> if I declare the environment variables in /etc/environment or profile.d, would they be inherit if I start applications from the launcher?
[17:55] <akik> francisv: yes
[17:55] <francisv> ah ok, I'll try now
[17:55] <francisv> after declaring those variables there, do I source those files?
[17:55] <akik> francisv: i think /etc/environment would suit you perfectly
[17:55] <francisv> I'll try
[17:56] <akik> francisv: /etc/environment is only read during the boot, i think
[17:57] <francisv> akik: I need to reboot then
[17:57] <akik> francisv: it's also read when logging in
[17:57] <francisv> ok
[18:06] <francisv> akik: I modified /etc/environment and now I cannot login to my user name
[18:06] <francisv> user account
[18:06] <DrEmmettBrown> Hi
[18:06] <francisv> I think I copy/pasted the export command that I had in .bashrc into it
[18:07] <DrEmmettBrown> So, y'all know what to do when there ain't no linux drivers for your device?
[18:07] <DrEmmettBrown> Moved to full ubuntu install and forgot about my wireless dongle
[18:07] <francisv> how can I enter to Ubuntu in terminal mode, so I can fix /etc/environment?
[18:08] <DrEmmettBrown> francis
[18:08] <DrEmmettBrown> control alt f1
[18:09] <DrEmmettBrown> or just try from f1 to f6
[18:09] <francisv> trying but doesnt wokr
[18:09] <francisv> work
[18:09] <francisv> f2
[18:09] <DrEmmettBrown> try from f1 to f6
[18:09] <francisv> worked
[18:09] <DrEmmettBrown> good
[18:09] <DrEmmettBrown> now put your user and then pass
[18:11] <akik> francisv: the file has the format: VARIABLE="value"
[18:12] <akik> francisv: still unable to login?
[18:12] <francisv> I managed to login in terminal mode
[18:13] <francisv> edited the file by removing 'export'
[18:13] <akik> francisv: what is terminal mode?
[18:13] <francisv> still not able to login, getting in to add ""
[18:14] <DrEmmettBrown> what did you do?
[18:14] <francisv> akik: what is the correct way to call it when I enter not using the GUI
[18:14] <akik> francisv: sorry, i didn't know it could bring such trouble with wrong syntax
[18:14] <francisv> but Ctl + Alt + F2
[18:14] <DrEmmettBrown> It's called TTY
[18:14] <sla3k> What do you guys recommend for full server backup running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS? Paid service is surely an option here...I was looking at Mozy Pro but unfortunately it does not support Linux.
[18:14] <DrEmmettBrown> TTY mode to be exact
[18:14] <akik> francisv: virtual console
[18:14] <Fjorgynn> hi
[18:15] <DrEmmettBrown> btw do any of you know how to find drivers
[18:15] <sla3k> Backups be made everyday and the service should be able to do Bare Metal Restore
[18:15] <DrEmmettBrown> like, aparently my dongle doesnt have a linux version
[18:15] <francisv> well, I have changed the syntax, but it does not let me login in GUI
[18:16] <francisv> they are four variables now
[18:16] <francisv> VARIABLE="VALUE"
[18:16] <akik> francisv: what do you have there?
[18:17] <francisv> I have PATH, CUPS_USER
[18:17] <francisv> (obviuosly not with comma
[18:17] <francisv> )
[18:17] <francisv> each variable in a line
[18:18] <iain> whats up homies
[18:18] <akik> francisv: you can probably catch the error with ". /etc/environment"
[18:18] <francisv> ok, I know what was the problem
[18:18] <francisv> I had two times PATH, the second time was adding it for it self
[18:18] <francisv> as it was in '.bashrc'
[18:19] <francisv> PATH="something:PATH"
[18:19] <iain> how do you install silerlight on chromium?
[18:19] <iain> wanna watch some netflix
[18:19] <francisv> I removed that and now I managed to logged in in GUI
[18:19] <francisv> is it correct to say that I logged-in in GUI mode=
[18:19] <francisv> ?
[18:20] <akik> francisv: sure
[18:21] <francisv> I'll check whether the environment variables are inherited by other programs now
[18:21] <akik> francisv: new versions of ubuntu include two separate gui systems, xorg and wayland, so it can be also more descriptive to say maybe "logged into an xorg session or into an wayland session"
[18:21] <francisv> akik: how can I know which type of GUI system I am using now?
[18:22] <akik> francisv: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[18:22] <francisv> wayland
[18:23] <francisv> Wayland is suppose to replace xorg, isn't?
[18:23] <akik> francisv: some day, but not yet
[18:23] <Jcbullet> hi guys
[18:23] <Jcbullet> anyone here know about porxys being used with upnp ?
[18:23] <Jcbullet> *proxies
[18:24] <sjohnson> hi guys.  i used mount to mount an exFAT partition that shows up as "fuseblk" in the mount command after.
[18:24] <sjohnson> does that suggest that if i want it to work in fstab on bootup, i should use "fuseblk" as the filesystem type?
[18:24] <francisv> All applications inherit my environment variables now.  Thank you akik.  In this case, it was possible to edit /etc/environment because I have sudo privileges.  Is there a way to initialize environment variables that have the same effect, but without sudo privileges?  The scope would be only my user.
[18:26] <francisv> I want to add my GPGKEY as environment variable.  I should not do that in /etc/environments
[18:26] <francisv> I used to have it in .bashrc
[18:27] <francisv> .profile would do the same as .bashrc, I suppose
[18:27] <akik> francisv: yes environment is for all users
[18:27] <akik> francisv: for bash there's .bash_profile and .bashrc. .bash_profile load .bashrc
[18:28] <francisv> akik: all variables initialized in those configuration files would take effect only in terminal
[18:29] <francisv> how would you make them take effect in all programs initialized outside terminal?
[18:31] <akik> francisv: i'm drawing a blank now
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, you can modify and add export variables to your .bashrc file in your user home directory. Add them at the very end. This will establish those environment variables for each terminal session.
[18:32] <nacc> francisv: akik: i think pam can do this
[18:32] <nacc> specifically, pam_env
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, this only works for applications and programs that you manually initiate. The would not work with user defined CRON tasks
[18:32] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: yes, those variables are effective for terminals, but I want programs started outside terminal to inherit those variables
[18:33] <akik> francisv: .bash_profile does it
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> ah, I guess I didn't fully understand what you meant
[18:34] <francisv> akik: trying
[18:34] <francisv> testing
[18:35] <analogical> where can I find games for Ubuntu?
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> I think akik mean .bashrc not .bash
[18:35] <akik> .bash_profile
[18:35] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: .bash_profile is different than .bashrc
[18:35] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: I tried .bashrc before
[18:35] <francisv> it did not work
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> analogical, all supported games are available in the ubuntu software center
[18:36] <francisv> variables in .bashrc were available only in terminal
[18:36] <nacc> francisv: the second answer at  https://askubuntu.com/questions/866161/setting-path-variable-in-etc-environment-vs-profile has some good details
[18:36] <francisv> not inherited in other programs
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> nacc, akik  i see it now... hexchat doesn't display underscores for me for some rason
[18:36] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: that seems ... bad
[18:36] <akik> you can check it with "ps auxwwfe" output. that gives out all the environment variables for the processes (the e option)
[18:37] <krukudilo> analogical, https://lgdb.org/
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> nacc, I have it set to "monospace 9" and they disappear... any font larger than that is too big on my screen
[18:38] <francisv> thanks you akik, nacc, and pragmaticenigma for the discussion.  '.bash_profile' did the job.
[18:38] <nacc> pragmaticenigma: strange
[18:39] <DrEmmettBrown> how can I use a custom driver
[18:39] <DrEmmettBrown> and find it
[18:40] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: for what?
[18:40] <DrEmmettBrown> wifi dongle
[18:40] <DrEmmettBrown> no signs of a linux driver
[18:40] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: what device, specifically?
[18:41] <DrEmmettBrown> Linksys WUSB 6100M
[18:41] <francisv> I forgot to thank DrEmmettBrown for helping also :)
[18:41] <DrEmmettBrown> awwwwww
[18:41] <DrEmmettBrown> :)
[18:41] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: https://askubuntu.com/questions/799104/unable-to-get-linksys-wusb6100m-wireless-adapter-to-work
[18:41] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: seems unsupported on linux, fullstop
[18:42] <DrEmmettBrown> fuck
[18:42] <DrEmmettBrown> well on other topic
[18:42] <nacc> ah but there was some upstream churn: https://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=148434332728333&w=2
[18:42] <nacc> let me read
[18:42] <DrEmmettBrown> can I make a hotspot through the same adapter
[18:42] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: also, please watch your language in the channel
[18:43] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: well ... you'd only be able to do that if the adapter worked?
[18:43] <DrEmmettBrown> yep
[18:43] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[18:43] <DrEmmettBrown> thanks anyway
[18:43] <DrEmmettBrown> also 16.04
[18:43] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: using hwe or not?
[18:43] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: `uname -r` would tell us
[18:46] <ioria> DrEmmettBrown, if that thing has winXp drivers available , you could try  ndiswrapper
[18:46] <nacc> ioria: waiting to hear back, as it looks like the wireless driver usb support was added upstream in 4.13
[18:46] <nacc> so they could try 18.04 or hwe-edge (I think)
[18:47] <nacc> or wait, hwe stock should have 4.13, nm
[18:47] <ioria> nacc, right
[18:47] <DrEmmettBrown> 4.13.0-37-generic
[18:47] <DrEmmettBrown> nope it has win 7 and up
[18:47] <ioria> pity
[18:47] <DrEmmettBrown> yes
[18:48] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: hrm, can you pastebin the dmesg?
[18:48] <DrEmmettBrown> dmwhat?
[18:48] <DrEmmettBrown> sorry, just got into ubuntu full time so idk a lot of the stuff
[18:48] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: run `dmesg | pastebinit` in a terminal
[18:48] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: it will emit a URL (note you might need to install pastebinit first)
[18:49] <DrEmmettBrown> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/K7Wxt9sGSC/
[18:50] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: ok, it sees your device
[18:50] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: line 737
[18:50] <DrEmmettBrown> I see
[18:51] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: hrm, can you pastebin `lsusb` and `ip a` outputs ?
[18:51] <DrEmmettBrown> sure
[18:51] <DrEmmettBrown> I append | pastebinit so it gives me the link right
[18:51] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah
[18:52] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: it's possible the driver isn't bonding to the device for some reason, but it seems like the kernel does see it ... i guess also `lsmod | grep ath | pastebinit`
[18:53] <DrEmmettBrown> lsusb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jFYByBZk45/
[18:54] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: ok, line 3 of that is your atheros device
[18:54] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: https://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=148434332728333&w=2 the original post talks about required firmware, i wonder if it's not being found
[18:55] <DrEmmettBrown> could you help me with the firmware?
[18:55] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah, i think ubuntu does not ship usb compatible firmware (per the description there)
[18:55] <DrEmmettBrown> I see
[18:55] <DrEmmettBrown> do I still send the grep | ath thing?
[18:55] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: so you need to follow the steps listed under "* usb firmware *" on that link
[18:55] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: it'd be helpful to see if it loaded the module or not
[18:56] <DrEmmettBrown> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[18:56] <DrEmmettBrown> that's what it gives me
[18:56] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: ok, then it's loaded
[18:56] <nacc> *not loaded
[18:56] <DrEmmettBrown> rippu
[18:56] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah, i'd try and follow those steps about the firmware
[18:57] <DrEmmettBrown> they dont provide the firmware tho
[18:57] <DrEmmettBrown> wait nvm
[18:58] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah you hhave to download it yourself (for any number of reasons)
[18:58] <DrEmmettBrown> no like linksys doesnt give the firmware
[18:59] <DrEmmettBrown> unless they mean the windows driver .zips
[18:59] <happy_hacker> DrEmmettBrown: I'm late to the party, but is this firmware not in linux-firmware pkg?
[18:59] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: did you check the link in that url?
[18:59] <DrEmmettBrown> Yes
[18:59] <nacc> happy_hacker: it's not, in this case, afaict
[19:00] <happy_hacker> nacc: did he paste "dmesg|grep -i firmware" ?
[19:00] <nacc> happy_hacker: well, the module isn't loading in the first place, and i can tell you the firmware doesn't exist on bionic
[19:00] <nacc> happy_hacker: not specifically pasted that, but the full dmesg, yes
[19:00] <DrEmmettBrown> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jwFGwH7K2X/
[19:00] <happy_hacker> ok
[19:00] <DrEmmettBrown> ran it jsut in case
[19:01] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah, i'd grab one of the zips (i'm not sure which one, tbh) and see if that file is in it
[19:01] <happy_hacker> It's the Sunplus device?
[19:01] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah it is
[19:01] <nacc> happy_hacker: linksys + atheros, it would appear
[19:02] <happy_hacker> nacc: WUSB6100M 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wireless Adapte
[19:02] <happy_hacker> r
[19:03] <nacc> happy_hacker: yes, i think so
[19:04] <DrEmmettBrown> sunplus is something else
[19:04] <DrEmmettBrown> the device in specific is the linksys one
[19:04] <nacc> happy_hacker: in this particular case, it's a USB dongle which the ath10k firmware in ubuntu does not support
[19:05] <DrEmmettBrown> oh he has prebuilt firmware
[19:05] <DrEmmettBrown> do I still make my own or use his
[19:05] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: whatever you want :)
[19:05] <happy_hacker> nacc: has you guys tried linux-firmware?
[19:05] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: prebuilt is probably easier
[19:06] <nacc> happy_hacker: you mean upstream linux-firwmare?
[19:06] <nacc> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0 not there either
[19:07] <DrEmmettBrown> okok found them
[19:07] <DrEmmettBrown> how do I download them from github
[19:07] <DrEmmettBrown> I mean there isnt a download option
[19:07] <dman777> trying to install pip on Xenial LTS but the repo link is no longer valid...even after apt-get update
[19:09] <tomreyn> dman777: python-pip
[19:10] <tomreyn> dman777: that's the name of th epackage you should be installing
[19:10] <dman777> yep... sudo apt-get install python-pip
[19:10] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: switch to the usb branch
[19:10] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: and then naviage to the files you want to download?
[19:10] <DrEmmettBrown> uhhhh ok
[19:10] <tomreyn> dman777: what are you referring to when you say "the repo link is no longer valid"?
[19:11] <happy_hacker> nacc: and you guys have been https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Linksys_WUSB6100M and https://askubuntu.com/questions/799104/unable-to-get-linksys-wusb6100m-wireless-adapter-to-work I suppose?
[19:11] <tomreyn> !paste | dman777
[19:11] <dman777> tomreyn: http://dpaste.com/3V9VYPT
[19:11] <DrEmmettBrown> ok im here
[19:11] <tomreyn> dman777: which command produced this output?
[19:11] <DrEmmettBrown> can I just clone the whole thing
[19:11] <nacc> happy_hacker: the AU article from there is how i foudn the upstream discussion, which is how I foudn that the driver supports it in 4.13
[19:12] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yes, you can do that too, then locally copy files
[19:12] <dman777> tomreyn: sudo apt install python-pip
[19:12] <DrEmmettBrown> but how
[19:12] <DrEmmettBrown> like, which link do I use
[19:12] <tomreyn> dman777: can i see the output of "sudo apt-get update"?
[19:13] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: you're asking how to clone a git repo?
[19:13] <DrEmmettBrown> yes
[19:13] <DrEmmettBrown> I mean I know the command is git clone
[19:13] <DrEmmettBrown> but which link do I use
[19:13] <DrEmmettBrown> and how do I get it
[19:14] <tomreyn> dman777: also, can you ping 91.189.88.161 ?
[19:14] <dman777> yes, I can ping... working out put for other
[19:14] <dman777> 64 bytes from 91.189.88.161: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=99.9 ms
[19:16] <dman777> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:16] <Routh> Ok, I'm out of Google searches.. I have two Ubuntu 17.10 laptops (identical hardware), both using systemd-resolved for DNS. In order for out VPN software to work, IPv6 must be disabled. On my laptop everything works fine, with the exact same settings on the other laptop, systemd-resolved hangs and does not return on any DNS query when I run dig against it, but dig direct to 8.8.8.8 works. If I enable ipv6 on the second laptop resolved works, but VPN d
[19:16] <Routh> oesnt'. - Why is resolved refusing to return when ipv6 is disabled on the one laptop?
[19:16] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: click "clone or download" ?
[19:16] <tomreyn> dman777: thanks for passing along the main page of the ubuntu pastebin. i already knew where to find it, though.
[19:16] <DrEmmettBrown> nvm found out
[19:17] <dman777> tomreyn: sorry about that... https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p6YBZ9nFjg/
[19:17] <DrEmmettBrown> dowloaded it
[19:17] <DrEmmettBrown> what now
[19:18] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: ok, switch to the usb branch (cd <local repo name>; git checkout usb)
[19:19] <DrEmmettBrown> done
[19:19] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: then place the files (firwmare-usb-5.bin and board-usb.bin) in /lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0 as per the lkml email)
[19:19] <DrEmmettBrown> how can I open that location through terminal
[19:19] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: what location?
[19:20] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: sudo cp <SRC> <DESTINATION DIR>/ (will put the file in that dir)
[19:20] <DrEmmettBrown> also there isnt a board-usb.bin
[19:20] <Routh> Man I'm really beginning to hate resolved
[19:20] <fernie> Routh: what if you set you systemd to prefer ipv4, uncomment line #precedence ::ffff:0:0/96  100 from /etc/gai.conf , does everything work then?
[19:20] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: oh it's a symlink
[19:20] <DrEmmettBrown> wut
[19:21] <fernie> not systemd system.. :)
[19:21] <Routh> Will check that fernie
[19:21] <fernie> Routh: instead of completely disabling ipv6
[19:22] <Routh> I tried disabling ipv6 for just the tun0 adapter but it creates the same issue. Also the ipv6 MUST be disabled for Pulse VPN
[19:22] <Routh> Will not work if it is enabled.
[19:22] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: also cp eeprom_qca9377_7_1p1_Robin_clpc_fcc.bin, I think
[19:22] <DrEmmettBrown> idk it didnt mention anything
[19:23] <dman777> tomreyn: any ideas?
[19:23] <fernie> weird vpn that is
[19:23] <tomreyn> dman777: you seem to have intermittent connectivity / routing issues to these IP addresses. this could help diagnose if you have dnsutils, curl and tracepath installed:  for IP in `dig archive.ubuntu.com +short`; do echo "[ $IP ]"; curl --silent --resolve archive.ubuntu.com:80:$IP http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ | grep title; echo; ping -c1 $IP; echo; tracepath $IP; echo; echo; done
[19:23] <isaacNM__> try getting nord vpn
[19:23] <isaacNM__> works well for me
[19:23] <Routh> Switching VPN is not an option.
[19:23] <isaacNM__> k
[19:24] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: and then `sudo ln -s /lib/firwmare/ath10k/QCA9377/hw1.0/eeprom_qca9377_7_1p1_Robin_clpc_fcc.bin /lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA977/hw1.0/board-usb.bin
[19:24] <Routh> Also this works fine on one laptop but not another so that's a really hard sell for me to go to management with
[19:25] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: fcc is if you are in america, to be clear
[19:25] <dman777> tomreyn: http://dpaste.com/2QDGPCQ
[19:25] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: adjust the region appropriately, if not
[19:25] <dman777> haven't got the other stuff yet
[19:25] <DrEmmettBrown> permission denied by the file manager
[19:26] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: for what command, and what do you mean file manager?
[19:26] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: you should be doing all of this in the termianl
[19:26] <nacc> *terminal
[19:26] <DrEmmettBrown> oh ok
[19:26] <DrEmmettBrown> lemme try to copy
[19:26] <tomreyn> dman777: well, something seems to be wrong with your internet access, you are uable to reach several locations (run by different organizations in different places in the world) which others can reach fine.
[19:26] <tomreyn> dman777: i.e. talk to your ISP
[19:27] <tomreyn> dman777: using a vpn or socks proxy may help to work around this issue.
[19:29] <DrEmmettBrown> so I copied the board.bin
[19:30] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: hrm?
[19:30] <DrEmmettBrown> I can't get this to copy the firmware.bin
[19:30] <DrEmmettBrown> says no such file
[19:32] <DrEmmettBrown> k done
[19:32] <dman777> tomreyn: ok, thanks
[19:33] <DrEmmettBrown> @nacc
[19:33] <DrEmmettBrown> how do you tag in here
[19:33] <happy_hacker> just put their nick first
[19:33] <happy_hacker> DrEmmettBrown: and that should highlight most folks; some fix it to get highlighted anywhere their nick shows up
[19:34] <happy_hacker> DrEmmettBrown: folks get busy with other things; can I help?
[19:34] <happy_hacker> DrEmmettBrown: building some software at work and can't stop to /lastlog DrEmmettBrown
[19:34] <ikonia> DrEmmettBrown: just buy a supported dongle
[19:34] <happy_hacker> ack
[19:34] <ikonia> you're struggling too much
[19:34] <happy_hacker> <$10 USD here
[19:34] <kostkon> !tab | DrEmmettBrown
[19:34] <ikonia> and if anyone makes a kernel change you'll continue to struggle
[19:35] <ikonia> just buy a supported dongle and make life easy
[19:35] <Routh> Gah
[19:35] <DrEmmettBrown> I ain't buying one
[19:35] <Routh> Now I can't get resolved to answer with ipv6 enabled or disabled.
[19:35] <DrEmmettBrown> no time to do it either
[19:35] <happy_hacker> DrEmmettBrown: that's right, you keep hacking at it
[19:35] <happy_hacker> money's hard to come by these days; time, heck, we can always print some more ;)
[19:36] <DrEmmettBrown> is that sass or something
[19:36] <DrEmmettBrown> anyway I'mma try to get these drivers to work
[19:36] <tomreyn> dman777: if you can tell me more about what causes this situation it may enable me to provide better suggestions to others who also can't access the ubuntu archives
[19:37] <titou_> hey ! hello people !
[19:37] <happy_hacker> DrEmmettBrown: sometimes you got to decide ... my hourly rate puts stopping by BestBuy on the way home, even spending $20, and it's cheap ... writing 10 lines of code will pay for it
[19:37] <happy_hacker> DrEmmettBrown: Life's about choices. You could plop down that MC and give someone remote access, if you feel squirrely.
[19:37] <ikonia> DrEmmettBrown: do not give or try to give remote access to people
[19:37] <ikonia> happy_hacker: please do not offer your professional services in here
[19:38] <DrEmmettBrown> oof
[19:38] <dman777> tomreyn: I am using WSL on Windows 10 and I think that may have something to do with it... but not sure
[19:38] <happy_hacker> ikonia: I didn't
[19:39] <ikonia> happy_hacker: ok - please do not suggest giving remote access then please
[19:39] <ducasse> !ubuwin | dman777
[19:39] <dman777> thanks
[19:39] <happy_hacker> ikonia: is there some rules against this here?
[19:40] <happy_hacker> what country hosts us?
[19:40] <ikonia> happy_hacker: yes, we like to keep all support in the channel so that others can peer review
[19:40] <happy_hacker> dman777 I know from Gentoo maybe?
[19:40] <happy_hacker> ikonia: can you help him get over the hump?
[19:40] <ikonia> we also don't want people offering remote connection support or paid services so this becomes a risk to our users
[19:40] <ikonia> happy_hacker: not at the moment, hence why I suggested he buys a supported card as I dont' feel he's at a level to compelete this and maintain it
[19:41] <happy_hacker> ikonia: so tell me if it's okay if I /query DrEmmettBrown , as I'm too busy doing https://ibin.co/3vmlruKNbDId.png atm
[19:41] <ikonia> happy_hacker: you can query who you want
[19:41] <happy_hacker> ikonia: I am new to this channel, and don't want to offend or break the rules
[19:42] <ikonia> DrEmmettBrown: I strongly advise you not to accept help from anyone in private
[19:42] <happy_hacker> DrEmmettBrown: private message okay or not?
[19:42] <DrEmmettBrown> no
[19:42] <ikonia> DrEmmettBrown: taking help from people in the channel will protect you from bad/dangerous advice
[19:42] <kostkon> !guidelines | happy_hacker
[19:42] <DrEmmettBrown> thanks ikonia
[19:42] <ikonia> getting help from people in private is a risk
[19:42] <DrEmmettBrown> I'mma just wait for the other guy
[19:43] <ikonia> DrEmmettBrown: it is totally your decision what to do,
[19:43] <DrEmmettBrown> nacc, you there?
[19:46] <Routh> Alright.. in the end the solution for me was to rip resolved out of the system like a gangrenous limb and set things back up for networkmanager.
[19:52] <aleksander_> so what happens if i 	echo	'Loading initial ramdisk ...' from grub? will be able to boot? plan is to remove ramdisk from boot – it takes too long
[19:52] <aleksander_> if i remove it
[19:52] <TJ-> aleksander_: how will the system mount the root file-system without the initrd ?
[19:53] <TJ-> aleksander_: initrd activity is rarely the cause of slow boot times; those are normally caused by the init system after the root file-system is mounted
[19:55] <aleksander_> TJ- thank You, You're obviously right
[19:55] <aleksander_> but it takes a long time displaying that loading initial ramdisk… any way to bite into that?
[19:55] <TJ-> aleksander_: to pin-point the cause of delays, use "systemd-analyse critical-chain" and systemd-analyze blame"
[19:56] <codebot_> does nspluginwrapper have anything to do with read out aloud in adobe reader in ubuntu 16.03
[19:56] <codebot_> *16.04
[19:56] <codebot_> ?
[19:56] <kostkon> codebot_, hmm doubt it
[19:57] <TJ-> aleksander_: OK, that early, it's GRUB boot manager. I'd guess you've got the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10 (seconds) and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true in /etc/default/grub -- does 10 seconds sound about correct?
[19:57] <kostkon> codebot_, but you never know. why are you asking?
 my read out aloud is not working, ive tried installing the tts engine festival as well as espeak speech driver.
[19:58] <TJ-> aleksander_: so you can change GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT to 2, or maybe 1, then do "sudo update-grub" and then the delay will be much shorter but stil gives you time to hit the escape key to get the boot menu if you need to
[19:58] <sneakyimp> can anyone tell me how to determine if my php7 is running via proxy_fcgid or via proxy_fcgi_module or via fcgid_module?  I'm really confused about the difference between the two
[19:58] <kostkon> codebot_, by adobe reader you mean acroread?
[20:00] <codebot_> koston_, i'm not sure about the difference between acroread and adobe reader, but yes i installed acroread via terminal.
[20:01] <kostkon> codebot_, which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[20:01] <codebot_> 16.04
[20:02] <codebot_> koston_: im using ubuntu 16.04
[20:03] <kostkon> codebot_, do you remember how you install it because it's not available in the repos
[20:04] <kostkon> installed*
[20:04] <codebot_> koston_: you mean acroread is not available in the repos?
[20:05] <devslash> Wayland is the X video manager in Ubuntu 17 right ?
[20:07] <codebot_> koston_:
[20:07] <codebot_> sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ precise partner"
[20:07] <codebot_> sudo apt-get update
[20:07] <codebot_> sudo apt-get install adobereader-enu
[20:07] <codebot_> i did this in order
[20:07] <kostkon> codebot_, precise is 12.04 though
[20:08] <codebot_> koston_: what's available for 16.04 then?
[20:09] <ioria> codebot_, why do you need acroread ?
[20:09] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: sorry, back
[20:09] <DrEmmettBrown> Hey there
[20:10] <DrEmmettBrown> so I copied the files and did the link
[20:10] <DrEmmettBrown> replugged and nothing
[20:10] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: ok, try `sudo modprobe ath10k`
[20:11] <codebot_> koston_, i  read a lot of pdfs and books and for convenience, it helps a lot if pdf files can be read.
[20:11] <DrEmmettBrown> modprobe: FATAL: Module ath10k not found in directory /lib/modules/4.13.0-37-generic
[20:11] <codebot_> koston_: and i use ubuntu.
[20:11] <ioria> codebot_, ubuntu ships with evince by default
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> !info mupdf | codebot_ easy, lightweight
[20:12] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: hrm, i see it in the config but also don't see it in the module list
[20:12] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: one moment
[20:12] <devslash> does Ubuntu 17.10 still use Wayland instead of Xorg ?
[20:13] <DrEmmettBrown> sure fam
[20:13] <ioria> devslash, both
[20:14] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: ah it's a different driver, and doesn't exist on that kernel
[20:14] <DrEmmettBrown> o
[20:14] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: you will need to try the hwe-edge kernel (4.15 based) i think
[20:14] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: as you need ath10k_usb
[20:15] <DrEmmettBrown> uhh
[20:15] <nacc> !hwe | DrEmmettBrown
[20:16] <navplayer> foud in
[20:16] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: so in xenial-proposed there is a 4.15 kernel (linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge)
[20:16] <navplayer> direc tory
[20:16] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: i need to work on some other stuff, but i think someone else in this channel can help you get that installed to test
[20:16] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: or, you can try a 18.04 live usb?
[20:16] <DrEmmettBrown> is it out?
[20:17] <ioria> DrEmmettBrown, bleeding edge kernel is your best option
[20:17] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:17] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: no, it's in the post-beta right now
[20:18] <codebot_> ioria_: evince does not support read out loud.
[20:18] <ioria> DrEmmettBrown, if you really want to use that dongle .... (i'am wondering)
[20:18] <DrEmmettBrown> yes I really need the dongle
[20:18] <ioria> ok :þ
[20:18] <DrEmmettBrown> I dont wanna deal with a bored 8 yr old over spring break
[20:18] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: i would try the hwe-edge stack in xenial-proposed or 18.04
[20:18] <DrEmmettBrown> so I NEEEEEED the dongle for hotspot
[20:19] <codebot_> lotuspsychje_: does mupdf support read out loud?
[20:19] <codebot_> ubottu_:
[20:20] <DrEmmettBrown> nacc, would 17.04 work?
[20:20] <DrEmmettBrown> or 17.10
[20:20] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: no, and it's eol :)
[20:20] <DrEmmettBrown> rippu
[20:20] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: no, 17.10 has the same kernel you have
[20:20] <navplayer> 04
[20:20] <DrEmmettBrown> so either 18 or bust
[20:20] <navplayer> .10
[20:20] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: or the hwe-edge on 16.04
[20:20] <DrEmmettBrown> how do I use that
[20:20] <navplayer> ne
[20:20] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: i can confirm on 18.04 there is a ath10k_usb module, so that's osmething
[20:20] <navplayer> 16
[20:20] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: i provided the links above
[20:21] <DrEmmettBrown> hmm ok
[20:21] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: the only issue is you need th eone from xenial-proposed
[20:21] <navplayer> 210
[20:21] <DrEmmettBrown> so how do I use hwe
[20:21] <navplayer> need 18 boot
[20:21] <nacc> navplayer: please stop that
[20:21] <nacc> navplayer: do not use enter as punctuation
[20:23] <codebot_> kostkon_: what should i use for ubuntu 16.04?
[20:23] <navplayer> onl
[20:24] <navplayer> i
[20:24] <navplayer> erd only
[20:24] <codebot_> kostkon_: what should i use to install acroread on ubuntu 16.04?
[20:24] <Chaeska> Yellow. Has anybody seen errors like "Failed to replace specifiers:" when updating systemd?
[20:25] <navplayer> see
[20:25] <navplayer> err
[20:25] <navplayer> ok
[20:25] <navplayer> i use ub
[20:29] <nacc> navplayer: you are still doing it. please stop. ask your question in one line.
[20:30] <codebot_> ubottu_: mupdf does not support the read out loud functionality.
[20:31] <codebot_> does anyone know any tool to read out loud pdf files in ubuntu 16.04?
[20:32] <navplayer> sys
[20:32] <ikonia> navplayer: can you understand English ?
[20:32] <nacc> codebot_: https://askubuntu.com/questions/633337/pdf-reader-that-can-read-out-loud
[20:33] <navplayer> tool read
[20:33] <leftyfb> navplayer: is a bot or troll
[20:33] <stacks88> my / partition has only 20 gb allocated. its reaching 98% used, so i noticed that i have lots of old files like /boot/initrd.img-3.13.*-generic -- can i just rm -f these files, or is there a proper procedure i need to follow before i can do taht? like clearly old files related to kernel that im not even using anymore.. i run ubuntu 14.04 and use stock/distrib kernels
[20:33] <ducasse> navplayer: do you have a support question? please ask it on one line in plain english.
[20:33] <Chaeska> OK, I think I found the answer to my systemd question - seems to be a bug introduced in a recent release: https://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg5356400.html
[20:33] <navplayer> @
[20:33] <ikonia> navplayer: last change - please respond. "Can you read English"
[20:33] <ikonia> last chance
[20:33] <codebot_> navplayer_: wha is tool read?
[20:33] <leftyfb> ikonia: ducasse: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/gGbjmtHGFN/
[20:33] <codebot_> navplayer_: what is tool read?
[20:34] <nacc> codebot_: ignore them, please
[20:34] <navplayer> anymor
[20:34] <kostkon> it's a bot
[20:34] <nacc> ikonia: i think you are free to kick
[20:34] <ikonia> leftyfb: ? what was that about ?
[20:34] <ikonia> leftyfb: as in the paste
[20:34] <ikonia> ahhh, it's a paste of this channel, ok
[20:34] <leftyfb> ikonia: just letting you know of the history of the bot
[20:39] <TJ-> This *is* setuid root isn't it? "-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root ..."
[20:39] <codebot_> nacc_: read out loud is not working in okular. ubuntu version: 16.04
[20:39] <ikonia> TJ-: yes
[20:40] <ioria> TJ-, 'am afraid so
[20:40] <nacc> codebot_: with the extra stuff that post mentioned?
[20:40] <ioria> codebot_, you know orca ?
[20:40] <TJ-> ikonia: I thought I was going potty! lxc-checkconfig is telling me it isn't. I'm /sure/ I fixed that bug once as well
[20:40] <ikonia> TJ-: you're spot on
[20:40] <codebot_> ioria_: no, im not aware about orca.
[20:42] <codebot_> ioria_: what is orca?
[20:42] <nacc> codebot_: it's the generic gnome screen reader
[20:42] <nacc> ioria: that's a good thought
[20:42] <nacc> codebot_: it's the next answer in the link i provided
[20:43] <ioria> !info  gnome-orca  | codebot_
[20:44] <ioria> codebot_,  alt+Super+S  , select your text, it will speak for you
[20:44] <DrEmmettBrown> back
[20:44] <DrEmmettBrown> so you said I have to upgrade to 18
[20:44] <DrEmmettBrown> what's up with the hwe whatever you mentioned?
[20:44] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: well, i suggested you try the liveusb first
[20:44] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: as i said it'
[20:44] <nacc> *it's only in xenial-proposed
[20:45] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:45] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: did you read those links i provided earlier?
[20:45] <DrEmmettBrown> Yes
[20:45] <TJ-> aha, found it on another system! Strange how it's not been fixed in 16.04!  # 2017-10-11 Tj: bugfix "Warning: new{u,g}idmap is not setuid-root"
[20:46] <DrEmmettBrown> already the latest version, nacc
[20:47] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: latest version of what?
[20:47] <DrEmmettBrown> oh hwe
[20:47] <DrEmmettBrown> of*
[20:47] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: hwe-edge?
[20:47] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: as I said, it's hwe-edge you need, and the one from xenial-proposed
[20:48] <DrEmmettBrown> http://i.imgur.com/FDVQUAV.png
[20:48] <DrEmmettBrown> I thought you meant this in the link you gave me
[20:48] <codebot_> nacc_: im trying to use adobereader for read out loud. when i click the read out loud option in that, it doesnt speak. also the read out loud options are greyed in the preferences.
[20:48] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: no, as i've said a few times now, hwe-edge
[20:49] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: i'm not typo-ing that. Read the rolling hwe link in the HWE page
[20:49] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:49] <codebot_> nacc_: i also installed jovie and okular. it's not working as well
[20:49] <nacc> codebot_: i don't know anything about adobe, and that's not an ubuntu thing (afaik)
[20:49] <nacc> codebot_: did you try orca?
[20:49] <DrEmmettBrown> linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge so i'd have to install this package right
[20:50] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: from xenial-proposed specifically
[20:50] <DrEmmettBrown> alright
[20:50] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: but that's not necessarily trivial to do, if you don't know what you're doing
[20:50] <kostkon> codebot_, try the screen reader option
[20:50] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: as you don't want to install everyting from xenial-proposed, only the one package
[20:50] <codebot_> kostkon_: you mean orca?
[20:51] <DrEmmettBrown> so I run sudo apt-get install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge or is there any other way to di it
[20:51] <kostkon> codebot_, start with that it's the default reader in Ubuntu afaik
[20:51] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: you have to enabled xenial-proposed, and then i'd suggest pinning just that one package from it
[20:52] <nacc> !pinning
[20:52] <nacc> !proposed
[20:52] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:52] <DrEmmettBrown> So I enabled xenial-prop
[20:52] <DrEmmettBrown> do I pin the package
[20:53] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: not by version, but by source, yes
[20:53] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: you want only that package to come from xenial-proposed
[20:53] <DrEmmettBrown> can you give me an example? I really don't get the pinning tutorial
[20:54] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: the example /etc/apt/preferences bit, except you want an n= of xenial-proposed, i think
[20:55] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: sorry, a=xenial-proposed
[20:55] <beerkouti> Hey guys, quick question, i have a process in /usr/local/example/ gave ownesrship of the folder to the user Bob and have stated Bob as the user in the unit systemd file but when i call the service it does not have rights to write in said folder example
[20:56] <DrEmmettBrown> Package:  linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge Pin: release n=xenial-proposed
[20:56] <DrEmmettBrown> Pin-Priority: 900
[20:56] <DrEmmettBrown> so like this?
[20:57] <M1K4> c
[20:57] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah i think so
[20:57] <DrEmmettBrown> so I add it to that place
[20:57] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: oh wait
[20:57] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: a= not n=
[20:57] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:57] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: and then make sure you add xenial-proposed to your sources.list file (or sources.list.d sub-file)
[20:58] <DrEmmettBrown> uhh
[20:58] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: read the second faq above
[20:58] <DrEmmettBrown> I did it on software sources or whatever
[20:58] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: yeah that's fine
[20:58] <DrEmmettBrown> ok
[20:58] <nacc> DrEmmettBrown: then `sudo apt-get update` and then pastebin `apt-cache policy linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge`
[20:58] <nacc> so we can see what it will do
[20:58] <DrEmmettBrown> so I use nano for this right
[21:01] <DrEmmettBrown> nacc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wZkgf26KzK/
[21:03] <kostkon> DrEmmettBrown, looks good
[21:04] <DrEmmettBrown> so what now
[21:05] <codebot_> nacc_: i tried sudo apt-get install gnome-orca and then pressed super+Alt+S still it wont speak.
[21:06] <DrEmmettBrown> are you visually impaired?
[21:06] <DrEmmettBrown> just curious about why do you need the speaking thing
[21:08] <codebot_> DrEmmettBrown_: not visually impaired. but it'd be a great help to have a pdf reader.
[21:08] <codebot_> i have to read lots of documents on regular basis.
[21:08] <DrEmmettBrown> OOOH
[21:09] <DrEmmettBrown> that's a nice idea
[21:09] <DrEmmettBrown> kinda like a robotized audiobook
[21:09] <DrEmmettBrown> nacc, so, what do we do now?
[21:13] <codebot_> nacc, i tried sudo apt-get install gnome-orca and then pressed super+Alt+S still it wont speak.
[21:25] <ThomasCrown> Need some help: I have a Ubuntu 16.04 image running on Virutalbox. When I boot up the system, it boots to a black screen. I am able to SSH to the box, and all networking is working as it should. My question is how do i get the GUI back? I have tried removing lightdm and reinstalling with no luck. Any ideas?
[21:32] <DrEmmettBrown> nacc, Yo, you there?
[21:36] <TJ-> DrEmmettBrown: nacc is busy
[21:40] <adrian_1908> Does anyone know what the X input driver before 'libinput' was called?
[21:42] <sere> im stuck at scanning btrfs systems but i can alt over to a different shell.
[21:43] <sere> error could not create lock file in tmp/
[21:45] <cliff777> Hello all, I started to update my packages on Ubutnu 16.04.4 and updating linux-headers-4.13.0-37 is not finishing - how can I fix this?
[21:47] <adrian_1908> cliff777: update via graphical interface or terminal?
[21:47] <cliff777> adrian_1908: Terminal via apt
[21:48] <adrian_1908> cliff777: then I try to cancel it (CTRL-C) and invoke the command again. Should be resilient enough.
[21:48] <adrian_1908> *I would ty
[21:48] <adrian_1908> try
[21:48] <cliff777> I already tried, ctrl-c doesn't do anything
[21:49] <cliff777> I could kill -9 it but wouldn't that mess up dkpg?
[21:49] <kostkon> cliff777, pastebin the output
[21:49] <adrian_1908> cliff777: Hmm, I've never run into a case where CTRL-C doesn't work. Tried hitting it multiple times?
[21:49] <ThomasCrown> cliff777: you are out of space on your boot
[21:49] <youtah> "Upgrade to Artful!"
[21:49] <youtah> ok
[21:50] <ThomasCrown> cliff777: you need to clean up some old linux imgs on your boot.
[21:50] <youtah> "An upgrade from 'yakkety' to 'artful' is not supported with this tool."
[21:50] <youtah> :(
[21:50]  * youtah cries
[21:51] <cliff777> ThomasCrown: My /boot/efi is 29% used
[21:51] <ThomasCrown> what is the error your getting?
[21:51] <cliff777> Terminal output: https://pastebin.com/uP3UyAnk
[21:52] <cliff777> ThomasCrown: No error, just hangs
[21:52] <argusbr> the license VMware Workstation can be used in vmware esxi?
[21:52] <Bashing-om> youtah: Yeah, seems the zesty release is a victum of spectre/meltdown . The upgrade path is broke .. clean fresh install .
[21:53] <youtah> Bashing-om, yeah, that is unfortunately what I think I must do
[21:59] <youtah> Bashing-om, and all of the tickets keep referring to (and keep being marked as duplicates) the documentation for upgrading from an EOL, and none of it works
[21:59] <Emcy> can ubuntu package qtox
[21:59] <Emcy> pls
[22:00] <tgm4883> Emcy: you sure can http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/
[22:02] <Emcy> anyone can package for ubuntu?
[22:02] <tgm4883> Emcy: yes, ideally you'd build a snap. You'll want to take a look at http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[22:03] <asus> salut
[22:04] <Emcy> what about quality control
[22:04] <kostkon> Emcy, what about it? also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Requesting_a_new_package_for_Ubuntu
[22:06] <tgm4883> Emcy: Did you read the page?
[22:07] <Emcy> not yet i have about 50 tabs
[22:07] <kostkon> Emcy, you're getting there
[22:07] <Emcy> i started using linux yesterday
[22:08] <Emcy> https://github.com/qTox/qTox/pull/4983 theyre trying to make debs at least
[22:12] <sneakyimp> can anyone tell me how to determine if my php7 is running via proxy_fcgid or via proxy_fcgi_module or via fcgid_module?  I'm really confused about the difference between the two
[22:13] <axis_> i want to install a kernel package via a script inside a chroot. but when i do this, it prompts me to install grub to a device. how can i figure out the debconf settings that i need to manipulate?
[22:14] <PLC> hi' there
[22:15] <PLC> I try to use "sed" with standard output, is it possible ?
[22:16] <axis_> PLC: echo "no" | sed 's/no/yes/'
[22:17] <PLC> for exemple I've got this string : "Sending SMS 1/1....waiting for network answer..OK, message reference=97"
[22:17] <PLC> I want keep "Ok ….."
[22:18] <sere> how long should a boot up btrfs scan take at boot?
[22:18] <PLC> command | grep Sending | sed -e '/Sending SMS/,/answer/d'
[22:19] <codebot_> how to configure orca?
[22:19] <PLC> no wait …
[22:20] <PLC> in real word :
[22:20] <codebot_> i tried installing it using sudo apt-get install gnome-orca. but it doesnt read out loud.
[22:20] <PLC>   MESSAGE=$(echo 'TEST Message'| gammu --sendsms TEXT 000000000 2>&1 | grep Sending | sed '/Sending SMS/,/answer/d' )
[22:20] <codebot_> i have ubuntu 16.04
[22:20] <codebot_> how to configure orca?
[22:28] <pavlos> codebot_: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/introduction.html.en
[22:29] <pavlos> codebot_: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/index.html.en#getting_started
[22:30] <codebot_> pavlos_: in the link you provided, i press the keys Alt+Super+S but no speech output is produced.
[22:33] <codebot_> pavlos: in the link you provided, i press the keys Alt+Super+S but no speech output is produced.
[22:34] <pavlos> codebot_: the key bindings may be different in 16.04 ...
[22:34] <codebot_> pavlos: i checked the keyboard shortcuts. they're the same.
[22:36] <ThomasCrown> Need some help: I have a Ubuntu 16.04 image running on Virutalbox. When I boot up the system, it boots to a black screen. I am able to SSH to the box, and all networking is working as it should. My question is how do i get the GUI back? I have tried removing lightdm and reinstalling with no luck. Any ideas?
[22:36] <pavlos> codebot_: I'll start my laptop and see if I can figure it out ...
[22:37] <codebot_> pavlos: okay.
[22:42] <pavlos> codebot_: you're on 16.04 unity right?
[22:42] <codebot_> pavlos: that's right.
[22:43] <codebot_> i am on 16.04 unity
[22:43] <pavlos> codebot_: dash look for universal access
[22:44] <codebot_> pavlos: yes i did.
[22:45] <pavlos> codebot_: is the 3rd option to eanble reader on/off? the key alt-super-S is not working for me but I can toogle on that screen
[22:46] <codebot_> pavlos: universal access shortcut
[22:47] <codebot_> pavlos: the shortcut for turn screen reader on/off is Alt+super+s
[22:48] <pavlos> codebot_: that key does not work for me (16.04, unity) but clicking on the 3rd thingy, it does
[22:49] <codebot_> pavlos: sorry, but what do you mean by clicking on the third thing?
[22:49] <codebot_> pavlos: do you mean clicking on the third option in the universal access list of shortcuts?
[22:50] <pavlos> codebot_: the universal access has 4 lines, each with an on/off swithc to the right. Clicking the 3rd activates reader, clicking it again it stops
[22:51] <sere> ive been stuck at scanning btrfs filesystem for 20min now should i wait or did it freeze?
[22:51] <codebot_> pavlos: it's showing to be on and off for me but its not actually reading anyhing.
[22:52] <pavlos> codebot_: if you click it, does it turn ON and then reader starts talking ... check that you have audio not muted
[22:53] <codebot_> pavlos: if i click it, it does turn ON, but the reader does not start talking.
[22:53] <codebot_> pavlos: i have checked the audio.
[22:53] <codebot_> it is not muted.
[22:54] <pavlos> codebot_: mine does talk and then clicking again, it stops. No idea how to troubleshoot
[22:55] <Ntemis> hello
[22:55] <Ntemis> i need some help with two packages
[22:55] <codebot_> pavlos: how did you initially enable orca? did you do it at the installation time?
[22:55] <Ntemis> avahi-dnsconfd/xenial-proposed 0.6.32~rc+dfsg-1ubuntu2.1 i386
[22:55] <Ntemis> ubuntu-mate-default-settings/xenial 18.04.12~16.04.york0 i386
[22:56] <Ntemis> cant update those
[22:57] <Ntemis> apt list --upgradable shows ubuntu-mate-default-settings/xenial 18.04.12~16.04.york0 i386 [upgradable from: 18.04.5~16.04.york0]
[22:57] <Ntemis> but apt upgrade list nothing
[22:57] <Ntemis> also apt dist-upgrade list nothing
[22:58] <pavlos> codebot_: gnome-orca is installed by default and gets activated with alt-super-s
[22:58] <Ntemis> re pavlos kamoia voithia?
[22:58] <pavlos> Ntemis: ela,
[22:58] <Ntemis> yio
[22:58] <pavlos> Ntemis: let me read what you wrote
[22:59] <Ntemis> sure ty
[22:59] <vacho> shouldn't this work? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php
[23:00] <vacho> sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
[23:00] <pavlos> Ntemis: if you're on xenial, why update from 18.04
[23:00] <Ntemis> i have mate 1.2
[23:00] <Ntemis> xenial has 1.16
[23:01] <pavlos> Ntemis: did you ask in the ubuntu-mate community? I use mate but stick to 16.04
[23:02] <Ntemis> i will ty
[23:02] <Ntemis> software updater fixed it
[23:03] <pavlos> codebot_: if you don't want orca, sudo apt remove gnome-orca and killall orca
[23:03] <pavlos> Ntemis: eyge !!
[23:03] <Ntemis> lol
[23:03] <Ntemis> cyprus here
[23:04] <codebot_> pavlos: some forums said that enabling orca at the installation time was different than installing it later on. so i was wondering if you had enabled it at the installation time?
[23:05] <pavlos> codebot_: I dont recall enabling at install, this is a stock 16.04 unity install on my laptop
[23:06] <pavlos> codebot_: I pressed alt super S and it started reading the screen
[23:07] <pavlos> brb
[23:09] <pavlos> here
[23:10] <bill_> I am running Ubuntu on a windows pc and the internet is really laggy. Any suggestions?
[23:10] <codebot_> pavlos: does read out loud function in acroread in your lapyop?
[23:10] <pavlos> codebot_: acroread?
[23:10] <pragmaticenigma> bill_, explain "running Ubuntu on a windows pc" ... do you mean you are running it in a Virtual Machine like Virtual Box?
[23:11] <bill_> Yeah VirtualBox
[23:11] <codebot_> pavlos: it's basically similar to adobe reader.
[23:11] <bill_> I installed guest additions and all the updates.
[23:12] <codebot_> pavlos: im not sure but i think it IS adobereader for ubuntu.
[23:13] <pavlos> codebot_: I looked for adobe in dash; nothing
[23:13] <codebot_> pavlos: what do you mean by 'dash'?
[23:13] <pavlos> codebot_: the top left icon in unity
[23:13] <pragmaticenigma> bill_, that's normal. when you virtualize a computer like that, it shares resources with the main computer. you might be able to fine tune VirtualBox, but that is beyond the scope that can be offered here
[23:15] <bill_> gotcha. I am just trying it out to see if it would be a good replacement for windows and I didn't know if my computer would not work with linux.
[23:15] <codebot_> pavlos: can you try installing adobereader and then checking its read out loud? sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ precise partner"
[23:15] <codebot_> sudo apt-get update
[23:15] <codebot_> sudo apt-get install adobereader-enu
[23:16] <vacho> why is ubuntu so retarded with php updates.. always like 2 years behind on the most used programming language for the web
[23:16] <vacho> :D
[23:16] <pragmaticenigma> bill_, you can create live boot media that doesn't require installation or modification to you current computer. when you reoot and remove the USB boot disk or DVD-rom, the computer returns to it's original state
[23:17] <bill_> Yeah I tried that first and it was about the same.
[23:19] <bill_> When I run the speed test it looks just like my windows print out but it's laggy. I feel like it is not the internet connection.
[23:21] <pavlos> codebot_: installing ...
[23:22] <adrian_1908> vacho: stability (I assume you're using 16.04?). What version do you expect?
[23:24] <vacho> yes
[23:24] <vacho> why can't I use php 7.2 on 16.04
[23:24] <codebot_> vacho: i guess you can.
[23:24] <vacho> it's not supported
[23:25] <vacho> and creating a ton of head-ace right now to get going
[23:26] <pavlos> codebot_: opened a pdf, it spoke the filename but dont know how to tell it to read the text
[23:27] <adrian_1908> vacho: considered using a PPA?
[23:28] <codebot_> pavlos: open any pdf in the adobereader, then go to Edit->Read Out Loud.
[23:28] <vacho> adrian_1908: I followed a tutorial, broke my entire server
[23:28] <adrian_1908> vacho: is that a yes or no?
[23:28] <codebot_> pavlos: sorry, not Edit, go to View->Read out loud.
[23:29] <vacho> adrian_1908: if it works, yes
[23:29] <adrian_1908> Ondrej is legit afaik, so you could use his PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[23:29] <pavlos> codebot_: I dont have View  | Read out loud
[23:30] <codebot_> pavlos: in the menu bar, where there is File, Edit,...
[23:30] <codebot_> pavlos: You have the menu bar right?
[23:30] <mrush> is the ia32/x86 architecture still supported
[23:30] <pavlos> codebot_: I have continuous dual side pane fullscreen presentation zoom in zoom out
[23:31] <adrian_1908> vacho: do you actually _need_ a more recent PHP though? Any groundbreaking changes?
[23:32] <pavlos> codebot_: I think my default viewer is evince, I need to change to adobe
[23:32] <vacho> adrian_1908: yes, a lot happened since php 7.0
[23:33] <vacho> adrian_1908: would be nice if someone walked me through how to update it
[23:33] <adrian_1908> vacho: I see. I suggest you try the PPA i mentioned, looks like it has 7.2.3-1+ubuntu16.04.1
[23:33] <vacho> adrian_1908: that's what I tried, then it complained it cannot connect to mysql
[23:33] <adrian_1908> vacho: do you still have the server running?
[23:33] <vacho> adrian_1908: restoring from a backup made yday
[23:34] <adrian_1908> ok
[23:34] <adrian_1908> Well, I never use PHP/MySQL so I cannot speak from experience.
[23:34] <codebot_> pavlos: what do you mean by 'continuous dual side pane fullscreen zoom in zoom out'?
[23:35] <TJ-> For a Shingled drive with a band-size range of 15-40MB, what LVM/FS block size would be best to minimize band-rewrites? I'm thinking either 40MB or 28MB
[23:36] <codebot_> pavlos: you can simply open a particular pdf file with adobereader.
[23:36] <codebot_> pavlos: in the menu bar, you'll find Edit->Read Out Loud.
[23:37] <pavlos> codebot_: I opened the pdf with adobe, selected read loud, it does not
[23:37] <pavlos> codebot_: It puts a paragraph in a box but ... nothing else
[23:38] <TJ-> pavlos: does the PDF contain text or just images that represent the text?
[23:38] <codebot_> pavlos: no speech output?
[23:39] <pavlos> codebot_: pdf is text, no poutput
[23:39] <JDoe_> Hey, I have a question about mounting options
[23:39] <pavlos> codebot_: clicked read this page only ... nothing
[23:40] <JDoe_> Does the following options make any sense to mount external hd (ntfs)? ntfs-3g noatime,nodiratime,nodev,nosuid,noauto,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8
[23:41] <codebot_> pavlos: do you have espeak installed?
[23:41] <pavlos> JDoe_: mount /dev/sdb1  /media  ntfs   defaults  0   0
[23:42] <pavlos> codebot_: no
[23:42] <codebot_> pavlos: try doing this sudo apt-get install espeak
[23:43] <codebot_> pavlos: i tried all of these things and still my adobe reader didnt produce speech output.
[23:43] <pavlos> codebot_: espeka installed ... trying again
[23:45] <pavlos> codebot_: nothing
[23:46] <pavlos> codebot_: I have to go ... maybe someone else can help further
[23:46] <JDoe_> pavlos: So I don't need nodev and nosuid?
[23:46] <codebot_> pavlos: no problem. thanks for the help :D