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| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 03:54 |
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| === coffeeguy is now known as zenguy | ||
| JimBuntu | It's Friday! YAY! | 05:02 |
| lotuspsychje | yayy | 05:03 |
| lotuspsychje | hey JimBuntu | 05:03 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EriC^^ | 05:03 |
| === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ | ||
| saabstory88 | Does anyone here have experience moving an adobe creative suite workflow over to ubuntu in a profressional setting? | 05:25 |
| saabstory88 | Our company is getting to the point where Microsoft's OS is so locked down that even the enterprise version is unacceptable, and we can't buy powerful enough Macs | 05:29 |
| JimBuntu | Can't buy powerful enough macs is a common issue.... resolved easily/obviously. | 05:30 |
| Lin-Buo-Ren | It depends on the "professional setting", the workflow still has to adapt to Ubuntu and Ubuntu-compatible application counterparts. | 05:31 |
| saabstory88 | We are ready to pay for software and hardware, our largest obstacle at this point is feature set | 05:32 |
| saabstory88 | JimBuntu: What do you mean? | 05:35 |
| JimBuntu | saabstory88, About the "can't buy powerful enough macs" statement? I mean that it's common for companies to realize they should have a generic Linux farm instead of trying to buy tons of Apple products to do the same task... as in rendering/etc. | 05:41 |
| saabstory88 | I wish our firm was large enough to support such a solution. We are a little to small to buy into Foundry software | 05:43 |
| saabstory88 | Another issues is portability. My laptop had enough brunt (i6700k, gtx980, 64gbram, win7/ubuntu) for a lot of the live event rendering work we do, but Win7 is starting to have issues with new software updates | 05:45 |
| lotuspsychje | saabstory88: contact canonical? | 05:46 |
| saabstory88 | About rendering software? | 05:47 |
| lotuspsychje | saabstory88: about helping your company professionally | 05:48 |
| saabstory88 | Do they provide help to small firms? (8 employees) | 05:49 |
| lotuspsychje | sure | 05:49 |
| lotuspsychje | and youl get much cheaper then windows support | 05:49 |
| saabstory88 | Well they can't be worse than Microsoft support. MS doesn't even seem interested in dealing with a firm our size | 05:51 |
| Lin-Buo-Ren | lmao | 05:56 |
| saabstory88 | It's really frustrating. I've been using Ubuntu for a couple years now as my home operating system, and when developing special applications for work. A good bit of our work is tethered to software which only runs in MacOS and Windows. Apple can't make powerful hardware, and Windows gives you no control over the OS. | 06:02 |
| lotuspsychje | this is where ubuntu comes :p | 06:09 |
| lotuspsychje | !canonical | 06:09 |
| ubot5 | Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/ | 06:09 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:08 |
| EriC^^ | morning lordievader , how's it going? | 07:31 |
| lordievader | Doing good here :) | 07:32 |
| ducasse | good morning, everyone | 07:34 |
| lordievader | Hey ducasse | 07:34 |
| lordievader | How are you doing, EriC^^ ducasse ? | 07:34 |
| ducasse | hi lordievader - how are you? | 07:35 |
| EriC^^ | morning ducasse | 07:35 |
| ducasse | fine here, thanks | 07:35 |
| lordievader | Doing good :) | 07:35 |
| EriC^^ | lordievader: doing good here | 07:35 |
| ducasse | hi EriC^^ | 07:35 |
| lordievader | Phone got updated to Oreo this morning 😁 | 07:35 |
| lordievader | Not that I notice whole lot of difference this time around. | 07:37 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl work, have a nice1 | 08:28 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 10:26 |
| ducasse | hi BluesKaj - how are you today? | 10:27 |
| BluesKaj | hey ducasse, doing ok, and you ? | 10:28 |
| ducasse | all good here, about to have lunch soon | 10:29 |
| BluesKaj | morning coffee and some hardtack with peanut butter here | 10:35 |
| BluesKaj | sorta my morning routine before breakfast | 10:36 |
| TJ- | This is sounding good. https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2018/03/23/a-new-era-for-linux-low-level-graphics-part-2/ | 17:30 |
| lotuspsychje | good weekend to all | 18:15 |
| daftykins | and to you! :D | 18:16 |
| lotuspsychje | well thank you :p | 18:17 |
| lotuspsychje | crowdy week pfff | 18:17 |
| daftykins | busy times? | 18:18 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah too many hours at work | 18:18 |
| daftykins | ouch | 18:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | allo lotuspsychje | 18:49 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome pragmaticenigma | 18:49 |
| lotuspsychje | pragmaticenigma: we talk & share about ubuntu & more here | 18:50 |
| lotuspsychje | for a better support experience | 18:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | Cool... question, saw an article about Gnome Desktop having a bit of a memory leak. has there been any suggestions on how to mitigate/work-around it? | 18:53 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah omgubuntu had this article right | 18:53 |
| daftykins | sounds like a support query to me | 18:53 |
| lotuspsychje | i invited pragmaticenigma here daftykins | 18:54 |
| lotuspsychje | he helping support | 18:54 |
| daftykins | right but it doesn't make this chan for the support :> | 18:54 |
| kostkon | pragmaticenigma, i've got one. don't use it :P | 18:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | works for me | 18:55 |
| lotuspsychje | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/03/gnome-shell-has-a-memory-leak-and-it-might-not-be-fixed-for-ubuntu-18-04-lts | 18:55 |
| lotuspsychje | kostkon: bit weird advice, knowing thousands of users will get into bionic soon | 18:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | don't plan on updating right away... wait until the first update to 18.04 | 18:56 |
| lotuspsychje | i got all my boxes 18.04 already :p | 18:56 |
| kostkon | lotuspsychje, and that'll mean more support work for us right? | 18:57 |
| lotuspsychje | kostkon: yes indeed :p | 18:57 |
| lotuspsychje | a month from now we get 2000 users in here | 18:58 |
| daftykins | i don't think users move that fast :) | 18:58 |
| lotuspsychje | youl see youl see :p | 18:59 |
| kostkon | we've never gone past that afaik but we are gonna almost hit that | 18:59 |
| kostkon | 1800-1900 range surely | 19:00 |
| pragmaticenigma | With the switch back to Gnome desktop, I have a feeling a lot of users will be returning | 19:01 |
| lotuspsychje | kostkon: before ubuntu-unregged trick we had 1900+ indeed | 19:01 |
| pragmaticenigma | at least those that like the gnome 3 desktop | 19:02 |
| lotuspsychje | kostkon: now its climbing back slowly | 19:02 |
| lotuspsychje | pragmaticenigma: yeah alot of unity boxes will get the choice to upgrade | 19:02 |
| kostkon | lotuspsychje, yeah there's been some increase in users already | 19:03 |
| lotuspsychje | kostkon: support feels liek supprt again now heh | 19:03 |
| kostkon | lotuspsychje, say that again. good old times | 19:03 |
| TJ- | grrrr, quiet is best! | 19:03 |
| lotuspsychje | and with TJ- we can have them all! | 19:04 |
| kostkon | lotuspsychje, more activity, more spam, more angry people | 19:04 |
| lotuspsychje | more joy, more community feeling :p | 19:04 |
| TJ- | Have you seen the list of open bugs for major packages that are going to hit us when people start upgading to 18.04? It's going to be horrible I tell ya! | 19:05 |
| lotuspsychje | agree on that1 TJ- | 19:05 |
| daftykins | s'all about waiting for that .1 release :) | 19:05 |
| TJ- | Dropping of ifupdown is already throwing some issues up, especially in those that try to help themselves first and copy instructions from old wiki/web pages | 19:05 |
| lotuspsychje | wayland not ready, gnome memory leak..slow systemd..slow overal gnome system,.. | 19:05 |
| lotuspsychje | did i forget some? | 19:06 |
| TJ- | netplan supporting very few scenarios | 19:06 |
| daftykins | Wayland arguably doesn't matter though | 19:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | wayland isn't being installed by default fortunately... hopefully that will reduce some of the support | 19:07 |
| tomreyn | don't people upgrading from 17.10 get to keep wayland? | 19:07 |
| TJ- | systemd-resolved taking over - had an issue earlier where it and N.M.'s dnsmasq were active, but /etc/resolv.conf had 127.0.0.53 (the systemd-resolved listener) which hadn't configure the interface, so there was no DNS resolution | 19:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | I believe when upgrading things stay in place | 19:07 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: no, 18.04 will result in xorg by default | 19:07 |
| TJ- | I thought Wayland is installed but not the default? | 19:07 |
| lotuspsychje | on 17.10 wayland is still default | 19:07 |
| pragmaticenigma | lotuspsychje, but tomreyn is asking about upgrades | 19:08 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: also on upgrades then? | 19:08 |
| lotuspsychje | i should suspect so | 19:08 |
| daftykins | honestly things seem like such a mess compared to 14.04 days :) | 19:08 |
| lotuspsychje | 16.04 was the best | 19:08 |
| lotuspsychje | installed it on tons of machines | 19:09 |
| daftykins | think it took a while to get sane, 16.04 | 19:09 |
| pragmaticenigma | 16.04 is when I came back to the Ubuntu image... otherwise I had been on Xubuntu for quite a few years, if only because mythbuntu that was what came by default | 19:10 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: devs wont risk nvidia boxes result in wayland session on upgrade right? | 19:10 |
| TJ- | I like 18.04 on the server side... but the desktop turmoil is horrible | 19:10 |
| daftykins | TJ-: +1 glad to not use desktop really for that reason xD | 19:10 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: i do not know. | 19:10 |
| lotuspsychje | we didnt hear about unity news yet neither? | 19:10 |
| lotuspsychje | how great will it survive on bionic | 19:11 |
| TJ- | yeah, as you know I work from console/terminal most of the time anyhow so I don't need or want fancy GUI effects | 19:11 |
| kostkon | and canonical went from trying to create the best desktop in the world to being completely indifferent about it and that's terrible. hence now the mess with gnome shell | 19:11 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: i need a lightweight, stable desktop for my customers | 19:11 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: I'd guess it'll wither and die eventually now Canonical no longer puts resources into it | 19:11 |
| pragmaticenigma | I wish the GUI had at least two modes... Get stuff done mode and Sparkles (effects) mode | 19:11 |
| TJ- | lotuspsychje: XFCE/Xubuntu :) | 19:11 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: never :p | 19:12 |
| lotuspsychje | underkill for normal machines in my opinion | 19:12 |
| TJ- | I measured all the desktops for 'light weight' and xubuntu just beat Lubuntu | 19:12 |
| pragmaticenigma | only reason I dropped XFCE/Xubuntu was I got tired of not having an easy method of adding new applications to the applications menu | 19:12 |
| lotuspsychje | ill file bugs until they get it straight | 19:13 |
| lotuspsychje | +1 pragmaticenigma | 19:13 |
| lotuspsychje | i dont like that either | 19:13 |
| TJ- | new applications are automatically added from their .desktop files | 19:13 |
| lotuspsychje | i like lubuntu xenial best under lightweights | 19:13 |
| lotuspsychje | we will see what the future brings, and how the mass reacts under gnome | 19:15 |
| TJ- | budgie seems to be gaining some traction | 19:15 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah budgie is interesting | 19:15 |
| lotuspsychje | but i think they should at least fix vanilla ubuntu desktop for normal use right | 19:16 |
| lotuspsychje | doesnt that sound logical | 19:16 |
| lotuspsychje | anyway tv time here, | 19:17 |
| lotuspsychje | i wish you all a great weekend | 19:17 |
| daftykins | and you sir \o | 19:17 |
| kostkon | lotuspsychje, "Midnight Run" this is your friday movie for this week | 19:18 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: !rootirc is your-new-factoid-text-here in ubottu query | 19:18 |
| lotuspsychje | kostkon: lol | 19:18 |
| kostkon | lotuspsychje, yeap | 19:18 |
| TJ- | No money in desktop that's the problem... once SABDFL realised 'convergence' wasn't going to get Ubuntu onto millions of tablets and smartphones and therefore there's no income stream, GUI priority dropped - money is in Cloud and Enterprise, MAAS, Landscape, support subscriptions, deployments, etc. | 19:18 |
| lotuspsychje | laterz ; ) | 19:18 |
| TJ- | Desktop is effectively a loss-leader to win mind-share, rather like how Microsoft gave students free/discount Windows/Office so they'd want to use it when they got into the workplace | 19:20 |
| kostkon | it's not even a loss making now since red hat is paying for it | 19:21 |
| TJ- | there's still a lot of Ubuntu-introduced bugs too due to 'Unity look n feel' - I was looking at the list for gnome-software a few days ago and it is scary! | 19:23 |
| daftykins | i wonder how bad subiquity is :) | 19:23 |
| TJ- | gnome-software with added features for snap discovery, ubuntu channels, etc | 19:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | 18.04, if gnome is no good at time of -do-release-upgrade... I will choose either KDE or LXDE | 19:32 |
| pragmaticenigma | I honestly will drop to the un-unityfied gnome for 18.04 baring the memory leak doesn't get fixed | 19:33 |
| daftykins | i'm sure it will, do you not wait for the .1 release anyway to wait for a new release to approach some semblance or reliability? | 19:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | TJ-, one would think .desktop would auto pickup... the problem was... where did it need to go? the normal drop points did find it | 19:34 |
| daftykins | version number chasers always get burnt and with good reason | 19:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | *normal drop point didn't find it | 19:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | daftykins, I will wait till my system says the --do-release-upgraede is available. which is usually the .01 release | 19:34 |
| TJ- | pragmaticenigma: packages install it to /usr/share/applications/ ... locally built packages to /usr/local/share/applications/ per-user in $HOME/.local/share/applications/ | 19:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | TJ-, must have been something in the spin I was using, it never found those for some reason | 19:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | daftykins, I may stick on 16.04 for a year. Anything that I need bleeding edge for is either self compiled or installed from vendor package | 19:36 |
| TJ- | I've just started upgrading all mine to 18.04 yesterday. Server's first, they're easiest | 19:37 |
| daftykins | yeah LTS to LTS | 19:37 |
| TJ- | but still got to maintain my own build of apache2 which is a pain | 19:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | TJ-, reduced feature set? or enhancing? | 19:38 |
| TJ- | I want mod_md | 19:38 |
| TJ- | that's the support for the ACME protocol so Let's Encrypt is built into apache, not an external tool | 19:39 |
| TJ- | now Let's Encrypt is isuing wildcard certificates too there's not many sites where it won't be the default choice | 19:40 |
| TJ- | biggest upgrade I've got to herd is a very active cluster of postfix mail server | 19:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | oh, neat, I didn't know apache could manage the ACME protocol directly. I'm currently happy with the cronjob method of updating | 19:42 |
| daftykins | you don't even need to manually set that up if you have certbot installed which i make use of | 19:42 |
| pragmaticenigma | come to think of it... not sure how I have installed at the moment | 19:44 |
| pragmaticenigma | it was whatever was documented at the time of install in June of 2016 | 19:45 |
| daftykins | i waited for the first renewal date but then saw it had automatically been done xD was quite handy! | 19:45 |
| TJ- | daftykins: yeah, I just want to have the entire config managed within apache config files | 19:45 |
| pragmaticenigma | yeah, I've been happy with the autorenewal. i'm glad they made that a priority. more users using the autorenewal, the better the expiration of a ssl when it's no longer used | 19:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | expiration of the cert | 19:46 |
| TJ- | each vhost 443 SSLEngine On then includes it's own certificate logic | 19:46 |
| daftykins | makes sense! | 19:46 |
| daftykins | how does it work if you have one for a www.domain.tld now and want to swap to a wildcard, do you have to wait for it to end then re-request? i've not even looked into it | 19:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | I only use one, and since I make use of dynamic-dns address service, really only can operate one site, no wildcards | 19:47 |
| daftykins | ah, i got a cheap domain and run nextcloud from home | 19:47 |
| daftykins | the domain registrar includes an updater client to allow dynamic DNS :) | 19:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | mine is primarily so i can run openVpn server | 19:48 |
| daftykins | ah yeah | 19:48 |
| daftykins | i do that with a DigitalOcean VPS | 19:48 |
| TJ- | in mod_md it uses the <MDomainSet> directive | 19:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | My router now has OpenVPN server built in, I usually use the VPN to access local network stuff | 19:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | the hard part was figuring out the routing so i can access both the internet and my local network dns | 19:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | in the tunnel | 19:49 |
| TJ- | I've just started with wireguard in place of openvpn; so far, so good | 19:49 |
| daftykins | i just disable the default gateway changing directive so i have subnet access and still browse from where i am | 19:49 |
| daftykins | depends if that's what you want though of course | 19:50 |
| pragmaticenigma | i send all traffic through the VPN if it's connected | 19:50 |
| pragmaticenigma | I also use it so I can hop onto public wifi and minimize nosy people snarfing on my packets | 19:50 |
| daftykins | :) are you using the easy-rsa key setup scripts and so on? | 19:51 |
| TJ- | openvpn using udp transport and TA also protects against DoS attacks | 19:51 |
| daftykins | i bumped up the crypto pretty high on my instances | 19:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | daftykins, for me? no... I currently have username/password authentication enabled... haven't had time to look into documenation for the client certs yet | 19:52 |
| daftykins | eek | 19:52 |
| daftykins | if the cypher strength is on default it might be bad :> | 19:53 |
| daftykins | cipher o0 | 19:53 |
| daftykins | why does my cat like to stand on my lap and headbut my mouse arm? :) | 20:02 |
| EriC^^ | :) | 20:03 |
| pragmaticenigma | if a cat is present when human is on computer, cat must "help" human... it's the law of the universe | 20:05 |
| daftykins | :D | 20:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | daftykins, it looks like the OpenVPN configuration requires the client have the Server Cert in order to make a connection. There are client certs, just the export/importing/exporting/importing seem daunting at the moment | 20:38 |
| daftykins | pragmaticenigma: you can actually streamline all the relevant certs and keys into a single .ovpn profile file, for ease of use | 20:39 |
| daftykins | though it would require starting over perhaps, i'd recommend this one - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-16-04 | 20:39 |
| JimBuntu | daftykins, I highly recommend this ( and do this) | 21:04 |
| JimBuntu | no need to start over | 21:04 |
| pragmaticenigma | i'm familiar with that one daftykins ... except openvpn lives on my router, synology | 21:31 |
| === akik_ is now known as akik | ||
| Bashing-om | Friday Support ?? | 22:12 |
| pragmaticenigma | hmm? | 22:52 |
| Bashing-om | pragmaticenigma: Support - week end - looks slow . | 22:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | until ghostrider graces us.. then it gets exciting | 23:15 |
| Bashing-om | pragmaticenigma: Well, exciting is not the term I would employ :) .. Better you than me as I have little patience in such an event . | 23:17 |
| pragmaticenigma | I've given up on them once before, and just made them wait for someone else to attempt to help | 23:28 |
| pragmaticenigma | Don't know if the time alowed cooler heads to prevail or just someone had the right touch to get them to be more helpful to the situation | 23:29 |
| Bashing-om | pragmaticenigma: Uh Huh .. calm down, think --- patience : works wonders :) | 23:37 |
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