| jusss | gnome 3.28 is available now? | 01:28 |
|---|---|---|
| Fudge | is it me or is there something wrong with mirrors? | 01:36 |
| Fudge | E: Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/cpp_7.3.0-1ubuntu2_i386.deb 403 Forbidden [IP: 202.158.214.106 80] | 01:36 |
| Bashing-om | !info cpp-7 | 01:44 |
| ubottu | cpp-7 (source: gcc-7): GNU C preprocessor. In component main, is optional. Version 7.3.0-12ubuntu1 (bionic), package size 6801 kB, installed size 23336 kB | 01:44 |
| Fudge | it's doing it with all packages dur for install | 02:02 |
| Fudge | http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6QxDXWb2D9/ | 02:03 |
| Fudge | this is what I have left that I can not install, all 403 cpp gcc geoip-database gvfs-bin gvfs-common | 03:11 |
| tyoc213 | Hi there, if I want the latest LTS in april... but I need to install ubuntu ¨right now¨ | 04:01 |
| tyoc213 | how I will go to update to taht LTS??? | 04:01 |
| tsimonq2 | tyoc213: If you install 16.04, you can easily update once 18.04.1 comes out. | 04:03 |
| tsimonq2 | You'll get a popup message, and when you're ready, you can click the Upgrade button. | 04:04 |
| tyoc213 | if I install a non LTS??? | 04:05 |
| tyoc213 | it will be the same? or only from LTS to LTS??? | 04:05 |
| tsimonq2 | Same story. | 04:06 |
| tyoc213 | OK | 04:06 |
| tyoc213 | thx | 04:06 |
| tsimonq2 | No problem, have a nice day, tyoc213. | 04:06 |
| tyoc213 | same | 04:06 |
| tsimonq2 | Thanks. | 04:06 |
| tyoc213 | :) | 04:07 |
| happy_hacker | ikonia: exactly, but you post the same kind of accusatory stuff there; and you get shot down by folks who know better | 12:17 |
| jusss | how I can upgrade gnome 3.26 to 3.28? | 13:27 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: keep your system up to date | 13:28 |
| jusss | lotuspsychje: how ? aptitude upgrade? | 13:28 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade | 13:28 |
| jusss | ok | 13:28 |
| lotuspsychje | !final | jusss | 13:29 |
| ubottu | jusss: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Bionic and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 18.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade » in a terminal. | 13:29 |
| jusss | ubottu: lotuspsychje can I just upgrade gnome? because my kernel is made by me | 13:30 |
| ubottu | jusss: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 13:30 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: lets start from the beginning, wich ubuntu version are you on now? | 13:30 |
| jusss | lotuspsychje: I don't want to upgrade my kernel, is that possible | 13:30 |
| jusss | lotuspsychje: bionic | 13:30 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: keep using older kernels is a security risk | 13:31 |
| jusss | lotuspsychje: I know, but my hardware driver are not common | 13:31 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: wich kernel are you on now? | 13:31 |
| jusss | lotuspsychje: 4.15.0 | 13:32 |
| jusss | it's not very old | 13:32 |
| jusss | so it is possible? | 13:32 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: bionic will keep 4.15 kernel and update . versions | 13:33 |
| jusss | lotuspsychje: I don't understand | 13:35 |
| flocculant | would it not be wise to report the issue you have - so that the kernel is updated to include what you need - even if it's not common - unless you made it all yourself then someone somewhere might benefit | 13:35 |
| jusss | I run ubuntu bionic on a x86-64 intel atom tablet, so it's not common or popular, | 13:36 |
| flocculant | jusss: so? | 13:36 |
| jusss | but it is x86-64, so almost works well | 13:36 |
| flocculant | that's no reason to not report it | 13:37 |
| flocculant | I mean if you can't be bothered that's fine - as long as you know it works both ways ;) | 13:38 |
| jusss | flocculant: there's a guy did a document for that on github, and I don't think kernel stuff will do something about intel atom tablet, because intel atom chips is dead | 13:40 |
| TJ- | The gnome versions issue is confusing; Release Notes is cryptic: "Apps provided by GNOME have been updated to 3.28. " --- implying there's a difference between 'apps' and 'core' ? | 13:40 |
| TJ- | jusss: if kernel support is broken then kernel developers want to know and want to fix it | 13:40 |
| TJ- | jusss: if however your particular device has additional hardware devices that only have out-of-tree modules (drivers) that's something else | 13:41 |
| TJ- | jusss: for the latter situation the modules should be packaged using DKMS so they can be rebuilt against a newly installed kernel | 13:41 |
| jusss | look, I just want to know just upgrade gnome without others is ok or not, there're so many people do thing about atom chips, I think they have alrady effected kernel | 13:42 |
| jusss | TJ-: my hardware are out of the official linux modules | 13:43 |
| TJ- | Most of the gnome-* core packages look to be 3.28 already | 13:44 |
| lotuspsychje | TJ-: just nautilus will remain 3.26 for desktop icons right | 13:44 |
| jusss | TJ-: lotuspsychje if I run `aptitude install gnome` can it upgrade to 3.28? | 13:45 |
| jusss | now I'm on 3.26 | 13:45 |
| TJ- | gnome-session and gnome-shell show as 3.28 here | 13:46 |
| jusss | I just want to upgrade gnome, like on archlinux I can run `pacman -S gnome` it will upgrade | 13:46 |
| jusss | re-install will upgrade to date, but I don't know it is the same on ubuntu? | 13:46 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah 3.28 here also | 13:47 |
| TJ- | " apt list 'gnome*' | grep 3\.28 | sort -r | less" | 13:47 |
| TJ- | jusss: lastest packages are installed with "sudo apt upgrade" - but usually if unattended-upgrades is installed mostly it's done in the background | 13:48 |
| jusss | TJ-: I don't know why you guys are so obbessed about upgrade all packages, what if there're some bugs on new packages | 13:50 |
| lotuspsychje | !bug | 13:50 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 13:50 |
| jusss | why not just upgrade what you need | 13:50 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: thats not how ubuntu works | 13:50 |
| TJ- | jusss: upgraded packages contain bug-fixes. That's how Ubuntu works. In a release no new features are added, only bug-fixes applied | 13:50 |
| jusss | lotuspsychje: so ubuntu is a kind of 'archlinux' now? | 13:51 |
| TJ- | jusss: thats why we have 6-monthly releases... newer upstream versions go into the next release | 13:51 |
| TJ- | jusss: This is how Ubuntu always has been, since 2004. Based on how Debian does it but with a faster release cadence | 13:51 |
| jusss | why ubuntu has so many package manager? apt apt-get aptitutde apt-cache apt-whatever | 13:52 |
| jusss | oh, I forget dpkg | 13:52 |
| TJ- | jusss: every 2 years, in April, a new Long Term Release comes out. This april 18.04 Bionic will be an LTS | 13:52 |
| jusss | I heard of lots of about old versions to latest version via upgrading, and there're lots of problems, and people's suggest is just re-install latest ubuntu is better | 13:54 |
| TJ- | jusss: dpkg is the debian package manager for packages already on the local system; apt-get is the scriptable repository-aware package fetcher. apt is the user front end to apt-get. aptitude is a CLI ncurses based interface to apt | 13:54 |
| TJ- | apt tools all use dpkg to actually do package installation/removal | 13:55 |
| jusss | I wonder is there a feature like 'pacman -Fs' on apt-stuff | 13:56 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: in all cases, we reccomend to keep your system up to date, fully | 13:56 |
| jusss | get the package's name via search one command the package contain | 13:56 |
| jusss | I don't think apt-cache or apt-file can do this well | 13:57 |
| TJ- | jusss: apt-cache search .... | 13:59 |
| lotuspsychje | howarth: thats correct | 13:59 |
| lotuspsychje | !info ubuntu-walppapers | howarth | 14:00 |
| ubottu | howarth: Package ubuntu-walppapers does not exist in bionic | 14:00 |
| lotuspsychje | !info ubuntu-wallpapers | 14:00 |
| howarth | ii ubuntu-wallpapers-bionic 18.04.0-0ubuntu1 all Ubuntu 18.04 Wallpapers | 14:00 |
| lotuspsychje | howarth: yep, the 2 beaver ones added | 14:01 |
| howarth | and the old ones removed | 14:01 |
| jusss | TJ-: lotuspsychje what do you guys think of wayland or xorg? which one is better for you | 14:01 |
| lotuspsychje | those were artfull ones right | 14:01 |
| jusss | some programs won't work on wayland now | 14:02 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: ive tested 3 machines on xorg & wayland, wayland very unusable for me.. | 14:02 |
| jusss | for example like florence virtual keyboard | 14:02 |
| TJ- | jusss: Wayland protocol, and the implemented compositors using it (mutter, etc.) are terrible at present, nowehre near feature parity with Xorg | 14:02 |
| TJ- | The actual wayland protocol design is broken, as in it severely restricts use-cases that people need | 14:03 |
| jusss | aha, TJ- lotuspsychje where's your Mir? | 14:04 |
| jusss | if I remember correctly | 14:04 |
| jusss | upstart Mir unity... and ??? | 14:04 |
| howarth | What is the deal with the snap releases in bionic? I was surprised to see those promoted in the Updates window over the same version from ubuntu-bionic-universe. | 14:05 |
| jusss | and ubuntu phone | 14:05 |
| howarth | err Ubuntu Software program I mean | 14:05 |
| howarth | Rampant use of snaps would seem a bit bloaty | 14:06 |
| jusss | ubuntu is so obbsessed about dropping something off | 14:07 |
| lotuspsychje | jusss: are you trolling us? | 14:07 |
| jusss | lotuspsychje: I'm just kidding | 14:07 |
| TJ- | howarth: It's yet more Canonical fragmentation | 14:08 |
| TJ- | I predict it's going to become a mess because determining if something is supported is going to require finding out where it came from | 14:08 |
| TJ- | I won't deal with snaps on principle | 14:08 |
| howarth | well it is true that Linux has tended towards tons of ways to do the same task | 14:10 |
| TJ- | howarth: it's not that, it's the direct support issues it brings up, since we have to check if package X might be a snap or is using the archive packages | 14:12 |
| howarth | like installing all of 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' to play H264 vs just installing gstreamer1.0-libav and GStreamer Multimedia Codecs | 14:12 |
| TJ- | it's like with PPAs but just adding another layer | 14:12 |
| howarth | The first gave me artifacts in playback where the second didn't for an AVI movie | 14:13 |
| howarth | Half of Linux support seems to be finding the least buggy option at the moment | 14:13 |
| howarth | So far the only worrisome thing that I have run into since installing bionic on a 2008 MacPro with HD2600XT is that a random video bug coming out of sleep. | 14:14 |
| howarth | On one occasion, when I woke the machine, it gave a checkboard black and white screen from which only escape was a hard reboot | 14:15 |
| howarth | Haven't seen that one since so hopefully it is a rare glitch | 14:16 |
| jusss | what is the windows manager of gnome 3.28? I cann't find title bar on any window | 14:23 |
| jusss | missing the buttons of max min close | 14:24 |
| jusss | it's metacity? | 14:24 |
| howarth | mutter? | 14:31 |
| howarth | I was just looking at the fact that compiz doesn't get installed | 14:32 |
| mesa | I am new to Ubuntu. Running Bionic Beaver 18.04 candidate 3-21 build date. I have a question concerning updates/upgrades. apt & "software updater" show a list of udates available. I wonder why "Ubuntu Software" shows everything up to date? here is a screenshot. Thank in advance. https://tinyurl.com/ybwstn9j | 14:57 |
| howarth | Maybe your hitting a stale mirror? | 14:58 |
| howarth | Have you tried 'sudo apt-get update', 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' on the command line? | 14:59 |
| howarth | I just did a clean install on an unformatted SSD last night here with 03-21 and there were plenty of updates then and this morning. | 14:59 |
| mesa | I have not updated yet. I have ran 'sudo apt-get update' && 'apt list --upgradable' to see the updates available. I am assuming that apt-get and "Software Updater" are showing the same updates. My main question is wht the "Ubuntu software" shows none. | 15:01 |
| mesa | s/wht/why/ | 15:02 |
| flocculant | are the packages that are updatable even shown in Software - not sure as I don't run Ubuntu - but isn't it the case that Software doesn't show everything? and thus likely to not show all updates? | 15:02 |
| mesa | Could be. I'm new to Ubuntu world. Maybe Ubuntu Software ( the orange bag =) only shows 3rd party apps? I'm still reading. I'm always curious to know more about update tools. | 15:04 |
| mesa | THe fact that these don't match alerted me. | 15:05 |
| howarth | normally if you wait a bit I believe it should pop up the software update application with an auto-download completed | 15:05 |
| howarth | at least that is the behavior I've seen before with bionic | 15:05 |
| mesa | howarth: Have you seen the screenshot I pasted? | 15:06 |
| howarth | I don't overly trust the app and normally do it command line | 15:06 |
| mesa | Software Updater I ran manually and it shows updates available. yes. | 15:06 |
| howarth | ah | 15:06 |
| howarth | I think that sometimes you can see stale info in the Software Updater if you have already installed the updates | 15:07 |
| howarth | I see that if I do it on the command line after that app pops up in the dock with updates | 15:07 |
| howarth | It doesn't do a real-time check to verify that things still need to be installed | 15:07 |
| howarth | but will just show what was needed when it was launched | 15:08 |
| mesa | howarth: fwiw, I refreshed the Ubuntu Software ( orange bag) it checks right now, software is up to date is the message I get. I'll use apt-get at cli and not trust the orange bag. =) | 15:08 |
| mesa | Even gives the time as current | 15:08 |
| howarth | check with 'dpkg -l' to make sure those aren't really already updated | 15:09 |
| mesa | ok | 15:09 |
| howarth | if so, when you click 'Install' it will just pop right out as they will be all 'no-ops' for apt-get | 15:09 |
| howarth | FYI, you get the same kind of race condition with the App Store app on macOS. | 15:11 |
| howarth | IMHO, the Ubuntu Software program can be rather flakey | 15:14 |
| howarth | Especially its behavior when searching for software | 15:14 |
| howarth | Hmm | 15:15 |
| mesa | ok I just got an error in Ubuntu Software when I clicked the refresh icon in the updates tab: "Unable to get list of updates: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource Temporarily Unavailable) | 15:16 |
| howarth | Maybe the 'This application is unconfined.' warnings for the Snap Store are due to like of app-armor support? | 15:16 |
| howarth | err like=lack | 15:16 |
| mesa | SO, the moral is.. trust apt/dpkg like I always have. =) | 15:16 |
| mesa | howarth: https://tinyurl.com/y87dedn9 | 15:19 |
| howarth | that suggests that it is checking in the background | 15:22 |
| howarth | when you start up the machine it will do that and you may bump into that | 15:23 |
| howarth | Although it shouldn't be auto-applying the updates on its own, just downloading them | 15:24 |
| mesa | I had to install myself. It didn't auto install. I used apt-get. I was only curious as to why Ubuntu SOftware Updates tab never showed updates available. | 15:26 |
| TJ- | mesa: gnome-software (ubuntu-software) is full of bugs so it doesn't surprise me | 15:26 |
| howarth | I suspect that the Software Update app and the Ubuntu Software app aren't as well integrated as one would hope | 15:27 |
| mesa | TJ-: Noted as well as howarth eluded to that. | 15:27 |
| mesa | cli is my friend. | 15:27 |
| mesa | other than that. this beaver is humming right along on this iMac 5k. | 15:28 |
| howarth | Or use Synaptic Package Manager | 15:28 |
| mesa | I loathe having to boot sierra at all. | 15:28 |
| mesa | howarth: I should check into synaptics pkg manager. for kicks and grins. ) | 15:28 |
| mesa | Ironic: I will search for it in Ubuntu SOftware ! lol | 15:29 |
| mesa | apt-cache search synaptic | grep package | 15:31 |
| mesa | oh yeah! | 15:31 |
| * mesa closes the orange bag... | 15:31 | |
| * flocculant mostly uses synaptic | 15:35 | |
| howarth | One wonky thing I noticed with the current bionic installer is that gnome-characters, gnome-logs and gnome-system-monitor are all installed with 3.26 based snaps despite the 3.28 based ones being present in the bionic repo | 15:53 |
| mesa | howarth: Same here. | 16:04 |
| howarth | Filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1758551 | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1758551 in Ubuntu "bionic install uses 3.26 gnome snaps instead of 3.28 packages" [Undecided,New] | 16:08 |
| mesa | howarth: I just checked my system and both the 3.26 snaps and the normal 3.28 deb pkgs for gnome-* pkgs you mentioned are installed on my system. | 16:17 |
| mesa | Same with gnome-logs here. | 16:21 |
| howarth | looks like Ubuntu still has quite a few 3.26 packages in the bionic repo to update to 3.28 | 16:23 |
| howarth | nautilus for one | 16:23 |
| Pharma | Hello, does somebody has issues with sound output in ubuntu 18.04 after update as me? | 16:23 |
| mesa | I just removed the 4 gnome-* (3.26) snaps | 16:23 |
| mesa | Pharma: Yes. I have intermittent sound problems. | 16:24 |
| mesa | I have yet to look into it. | 16:24 |
| Pharma | I just booted and have no sound, is there any workaround for this issue or should i wait next update which will fix this? | 16:25 |
| howarth | Heh | 16:30 |
| mesa | howarth: Should gnome-logs be added to that bug report? | 16:31 |
| howarth | I should have known that nautilus was still at 3.26 because I have icons on the Desktop | 16:31 |
| howarth | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/03/top-gnome-3-28-features | 16:31 |
| mesa | I had 3.26 snap and normal deb pkg 3.28 of that one also. | 16:31 |
| howarth | upstream seems to have marked the bug as no longer effects | 16:34 |
| howarth | so perhaps this is fixed in a newer installer snapshot | 16:34 |
| howarth | It is interesting that the snaps usage isn't that well integrated with the normal apt-get | 16:34 |
| mesa | Installer I used was from the 3-21 daily build. | 16:35 |
| howarth | In that the presence of the same package name as a normal package doesn't get upgraded over the same package name installed as a snap | 16:35 |
| howarth | when the normal package has the newer version | 16:36 |
| TJ- | howarth: yes, it's a mess :) | 16:38 |
| howarth | You might try again with the 03-24 snapshot and see if it is fixed | 16:38 |
| howarth | Interesting that they daily snapshots aren't really so daily | 16:39 |
| howarth | more like every three days | 16:39 |
| mesa | howarth: Do you have this snap installed? : -> gnome-3-26-1604 3.26.0 53 stable/… canonical - | 16:40 |
| mesa | The installer installed that also. | 16:41 |
| howarth | hmmm | 16:44 |
| howarth | https://didrocks.fr/2018/01/23/welcome-to-the-ubuntu-bionic-age-nautilus-a-lts-and-desktop-icons/ | 16:44 |
| howarth | Sound like bionic will be left with the 3.26 nautilus in order to avoid losing the desktop icons | 16:44 |
| howarth | It would be nice if they had a separate repo to allow folks to support a forked 3.28 nautilus instead | 16:45 |
| howarth | Ah, seems like they are leaving that to user supported ppa's | 16:47 |
| mesa | howarth: Do you have this snap installed? : -> gnome-3-26-1604 3.26.0 53 stable/… canonical - | 16:47 |
| howarth | yes | 16:48 |
| howarth | that might have been a dependency for the others | 16:48 |
| mesa | true | 16:48 |
| howarth | Fedora 28 is taking the bleeding edge route and jumping right into 3.28 nautilus | 16:54 |
| pharma | removed nvidia driver and sound is back | 17:07 |
| mesa | pharma: how did you go about that? | 17:07 |
| pharma | Tried all from web, then decided to remove nvidia-* to see what will happen, sound is back now | 17:08 |
| mesa | remove nvidia* from what directory? | 17:09 |
| Faux | pharma: My guess is that Pulse is defaulting to an HDMI output on your gpu for no reason, pavucontrol lets you flip it. | 17:09 |
| pharma | nope it was configured to speaker and headphones when i plugged them | 17:10 |
| Faux | Okay. | 17:10 |
| Faux | I wonder why ansible 2.4 has missed Bionic; it was in Debian Testing in 2017. | 17:10 |
| Faux | ansible | 17:12 |
| Faux | Oh, I typed ansible. Thanks, text corruption. | 17:12 |
| mesa | pharma: Do you mind elaborating what you did to get sound? I don't know where to start removing nvidia drivers. | 17:13 |
| mesa | you mean nvidia drivers for ? kernel? pulseaudio? alsa? | 17:13 |
| Faux | She left. | 17:17 |
| howarth | Heh | 17:39 |
| howarth | fired up the nightly Live F28 snapshot and sure enough nautilus has no functional desktop | 17:40 |
| howarth | just basically a background now | 17:40 |
| howarth | I suspect that might steer even more folks towards Ubuntu off of Fedora | 17:43 |
| TJ- | Gnome made a deliberate decision to remove 'Desktop' metaphor from Nautilus. There was a lot of discussion about it some months ago | 17:44 |
| howarth | I am surprised though that Fedora didn't load in some experimental extension to replace it | 17:45 |
| howarth | I doubt they would be silly enough to release a RHEL based off of a Fedora without one | 17:45 |
| howarth | Granted their customer base is pretty much just servers but still... | 17:46 |
| TJ- | I've never seen the point of Desktop - if you're using the PC it's rarely seen and there are much better ways of organising data that dropping it all in one directory | 17:51 |
| howarth | Well it is a sensible design for dealing with mounted removal devices | 17:52 |
| howarth | Although on macOS is has always been a trap due to the performance hit of a cluttered desktop | 17:52 |
| howarth | Still, it sounds like they pulled it to fix it (ie to get someone to actually create supported code for one). | 17:53 |
| howarth | I gave up on Fedora when I first tried converting old Macs over to Linux as their extreme stance on non-free makes it a royal pain to deal with WiFi only hardware | 17:55 |
| howarth | Connecting to a wireless router by ethernet cable to complete an install only works for portables and not desktops in other rooms. | 17:56 |
| DarkAceZ | hey guys, can I install 18.04 now and not have to worry about some massive overhaul in April? | 21:47 |
| DarkAceZ | meaning, will there be any desktop-breaking updates happening within the next month? | 21:48 |
| DarkAceZ | I use Ubuntu as my "daily driver" of sorts | 21:48 |
| Faux | It's still unstable; graphics drivers and Gnome have been broken in the last fortnight. | 21:49 |
| Faux | Beta is 5th April. | 21:49 |
| TJ- | DarkAceZ: we're way past Feature-Freeze; everything now is aimed at fixing bugs | 21:50 |
| DarkAceZ | will all updates from here on out be able to be done from inside the system with the regular software/package manager? | 21:52 |
| TJ- | Yes | 21:52 |
| DarkAceZ | all right, thanks guys | 21:55 |
| DarkAceZ | I'm going to try it out | 21:55 |
| ktecho | DarkAceZ: I'm using Kubuntu, so it's not just the same, but have had no important problems in 15 days | 22:10 |
| DarkAceZ | great! main thing I'm worried about is graphics drivers suddenly not working, like Faux mentioned, and such | 22:12 |
| Bashing-om | DarkAceZ: nvidia graphics ? -- yesterday a fix was released by nvidia/our developers .. | 22:13 |
| DarkAceZ | yeah, GTX780M | 22:14 |
| DarkAceZ | today's image should work, though? I'm downloading it right now | 22:15 |
| Bashing-om | DarkAceZ: Yeah, should be golden . nvidia recommneds the 390 version driver - that is tested :) : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/131853/en-us . | 22:19 |
| DarkAceZ | ah, thank you! | 22:24 |
| Bashing-om | DarkAceZ: :) .. Let us know how it goes . | 22:25 |
| DarkAceZ | I have slow internet, so it's going to be a while before Ubuntu is done downloading - possibly 2.8 hours... | 22:26 |
| Bashing-om | DarkAceZ: K .. we still be here //also in the event of need . | 22:26 |
| DarkAceZ | great, thanks! | 22:27 |
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