[00:02] <royal_screwup21> open question: what's a cool, low-hanging command-line utility that almost everyone with basic experience in linux would find useful? I'll start: tmux :)
[00:06] <Kumool> royal_screwup21, rm -rf /
[00:06] <royal_screwup21> eh
[00:07] <Kumool> codebot__, competitive programming? go to a prog lang support channel and try to answer a question faster than everyone else
[00:07] <purple1> do you remember seeing threy mounted some mans head and look like murdered him
[00:08] <Kumool> so all language support channels are competitive programming channels :)
[00:08] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, this is a support channel for Ubuntu. Please take that topic somewhere else
[00:09] <Kumool> pragmaticenigma, you actually understood that? props
[00:09] <purple1> pragmaticenigma: why did updates show amdgpu in first glance then next update no amdgpu on an intelk gpu machine
[00:09] <Bashing-om> Kumool: Do not pass that command even in jest . Danger .
[00:09] <royal_screwup21> Kumool: you should know that there might be beginners lurking around here. It's in in bad taste to throw out something like that
[00:09] <Kumool> royal_screwup21, you cant run that anymore, at least not in linux
[00:09] <pragmaticenigma> royal_screwup21, this channel is for supporting Ubuntu, not a polling place. If you would like to ask questions at large, try /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:10] <purple1> where is the advnced channel then?
[00:10] <Kumool> royal_screwup21, you're better off going to #bash for that question :) (oh, and hey, that's a useful command... sorta)
[00:11] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, your update question: if the machine has two GPUs detected it will install the drivers for both GPUs even if one of them is currently in use
[00:11] <Kumool> Bashing-om, this is why theres a --no-preserve-root flag
[00:11] <purple1> it listed 3 amd drivers on an intel gpu machine
[00:12] <purple1> then I checked the dmesg for gpu looked again and they were gone
[00:12] <purple1> is there an update server which has secure end to end
[00:13] <purple1> seems they spit out different things each check
[00:13] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, I'm not sure. If you have a really, really, really new machine, Intel has been putting AMD GPUs in their CPUs... but I wasn't aware they're out on the market
[00:13] <purple1> old machine with intel gma
[00:13] <purple1> some intel gpu
[00:14] <purple1> supposedly old machine
[00:14] <purple1> sometimes it seems like they are predated though they are new
[00:14] <purple1> fake history
[00:14] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know, purple1, I have never expereinced that issue with my machines before
[00:15] <purple1> how about a secure link to the security updates server
[00:15] <purple1> is it apt-get install apt-https
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntu's package manager uses SSL/TLS encryption for all updates and connections to the update servers
[00:16] <purple1> is that new?
[00:16] <purple1> in the past it was http
[00:16] <purple1> standard debian apt
[00:16] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntu is not debian
[00:17] <purple1> now that it looks like the update finished where is the log
[00:17] <purple1> go over what installed looking for the generic kernel update
[00:17] <purple1> then possibly recompile one's kernel
[00:18] <purple1> at least this xubuntu spin had broadcom drivers
[00:18] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, to answer your question about package repos: https://askubuntu.com/questions/352952/are-repository-lists-secure-is-there-an-https-version
[00:18] <purple1> now for stability purpose I need a cdrom of the firmware
[00:18] <purple1> can b43fwcutter extract what the machine has
[00:19] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, do you have a support related question? if not, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:20] <purple1> it is talking of gpg signates
[00:20] <purple1> this doesnt secure the transport
[00:21] <pragmaticenigma> as the article states, the final download is compared to a cryptographic signature. If the signatures do not match against the repository, the packages are deleted and redownloaded
[00:22] <purple1> what is the plugin something like fastest mirrot
[00:22] <jpmh> I am sending files from one server to another over ssh, using unison (for historic reasons), struck me that since it is one way I should use rsync - I bothered to time it - whay is rsync SO MUCH slower?
[00:22] <purple1> to route out the government
[00:22] <purple1> and is there a cacert man
[00:23] <purple1> so I can delete bobblehead injections
[00:23] <pragmaticenigma> jpmh, rsync can be sped up if you run an rsync service instance on the remote computer. Otherwise it has to transfer the file, then compare them
[00:25] <purple1> how looking at apt install log
[00:28] <jpmh> pragmaticenigma: ty so much - that makes sense - now it makes sense that unison keeps those WEIRD files
[00:28] <pragmaticenigma> jpmh, yeah they're cache files for each successive run
[00:28] <purple1> how looking
[00:28] <jpmh> pragmaticenigma: can you see any possible reason then for me making the change I was considering - seems that I may as well stick with unison since it IS WORKING
[00:29] <pragmaticenigma> jpmh, if it works for you, and is reliable I see no reason to switch to something else. Especially since it looks like you were running it over ssh to begin with?
[00:30] <XOR> What is the difference between running a script as a user and using a service file to run a script in linux? When I run a script from a terminal as a regular user, it executes perfectly. However, when I run the same script using a .service file, it mysteriously fails. I have setup the .service file to use my regular account, and added a whoami > lo
[00:30] <XOR> g.txt to the script in question. The desired account is printed successfully in the log.txt.
[00:31] <jpmh> pragmaticenigma: ty so much - yes everything runs over ssh or the approptpiate other encryption protocol for things like web pages and mail access
[00:32] <pragmaticenigma> XOR, is your script meant to be an execute once? or is it an actual service? and is the .service file setup with the right start|stop|restart hooks?
[00:32] <purple1> where see logs
[00:33] <XOR> I have a .timer setup with the .service file.
[00:33] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | purple1
[00:35] <XOR> This is my service file.
[00:35] <XOR> [Unit]
[00:35] <XOR> Description=Runs duplicacy backup script.
[00:35] <XOR> [Service]
[00:35] <XOR> User=nkidonak
[00:35] <XOR> ExecStart=(Correct Path)
[00:35] <XOR> [Install]
[00:35] <XOR> WantedBy=default.target
[00:35] <XOR> [Unit]
[00:35] <XOR> Description=Runs duplicacy backup script.
[00:35] <pragmaticenigma> oh no
[00:35] <XOR> [Service]
[00:35] <pragmaticenigma> stop!
[00:36] <pragmaticenigma> XOR, use pastebin please
[00:37] <XOR> I accidentally copied the content of the .service file twice.
[00:37] <XOR> Okay pragmaticenigma
[00:37] <pragmaticenigma> XOR, only saw about 6 lines before the server kicked for spam
[00:38] <purple1> gwen rocks the mic dunshe
[00:39] <pragmaticenigma> !offtopic | purple1
[00:39] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | purple1
[00:39] <XOR> https://pastebin.com/QCHD891h
[00:41] <XOR> I am attempting to automate my Duplicacy backups with a script.
[00:41] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, the logs you are looking for are in /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/history.log
[00:42] <XOR> The service file correctly executes my script.
[00:42] <purple1> no admin app like windows has?
[00:42] <Goop> Is it possible to configure Lubuntu onto a 8GB flashdrive that doesn't write or change anything on the computer or flash drive, but add a remmina VNC/RDP client and automatically connect to a network?
[00:42] <pragmaticenigma> XOR, that kind of sounds like a task better suited for cron?
[00:42] <XOR> I was aiming for native integration with systemd.
[00:42] <purple1> run that under some text editor then
[00:44] <XOR> Anyways, the script correctly calls the program when run by the .service file. However, the program responds incorrectly only when run by the .service file.
[00:44] <pragmaticenigma> XOR, my opinion would be to run as cron, only because it's meant to run on a schedule. if a job gets missed it can be automatically launched after a reboot, you can verify it's execution in your syslogs, I just see more benefit than systemd
[00:44] <jpmh> XOR, ahve you checked the envronment
[00:45] <jpmh> XOR - often I have thins that run fine at the shell and then not elsewhere and I fix the environment variables and all works
[00:45] <XOR> What do you mean jpmh?
[00:45] <jpmh> XOR: see my second comment
[00:45] <pragmaticenigma> Goop, you could setup the drive to have persistance, which would allow you to install packages after setting up the drive and booting from it. The installation will not affect the host computer
[00:47] <Goop> Well, actually, I like how the "live" boot works with Lubuntu, but every package and setting I change gets reverted next reboot. I want to know if I could configure/install a couple of things, then have it act just how the current "live" edition works.
[00:47] <pragmaticenigma> Goop, you are using a USB drive?
[00:47] <Goop> Yes.
[00:48] <pragmaticenigma> take a look at this article: https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/
[00:49] <pragmaticenigma> Goop ^ ^ ... that article will help you reflash the drive so you have persistant storage which allows you to install apps
[00:51] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, yes, you can use a regular text editor to view the file
[00:52] <black_13> what version of ubuntu come qt5+ and gstreamer installed
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> you should be able to install those from the package manager if they're not installed by default. KDE desktop environment is based on QT and will likely have the qt libraries installed
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> black_13, ^ ^ ... gstreamer is able to be installed via the package manager if not already installed
[00:55] <black_13> i know
[00:56] <pragmaticenigma> black_13, when you say version, do you mean like 16.04, 17.10, etc?
[00:58] <purple1> yeah there is a version of the spin
[00:58] <purple1> the base is ubuntu
[00:59] <purple1> it looks like this is the newest version for 32bit
[01:00] <purple1> how about b43fwcutter
[01:00] <purple1> can it extract what is running for backup?
[01:03] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, You haven't told us what you are trying to accomplish with b43fwcutter
[01:04] <learningc> When I install packages, Ubuntu terminal will use message like use : sudo apt install mypackage .  Why is it not apt-get instead? Has the keyword apt replaced apt-get?
[01:04] <pragmaticenigma> learningc, yes
[01:04] <jerichowasahoax> learningc: basically
[01:05] <learningc> So we don't need to write apt-get anymore?
[01:05] <pragmaticenigma> learningc, correct
[01:05] <learningc> I see. Thanks
[01:06] <purple1> extract the current firmware
[01:07] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, b43fwcutter was an old technique for installing broadcom drivers into linux (from what I remember) and is no longer supported. If your computer is having trouble connecting via WiFi, you may need to ask a more relevant question to receive help on that then.
[01:09] <jerichowasahoax> pragmaticenigma: some older broadcom hardware won't work with any other method
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> jerichowasahoax, I am aware that there are still cards that require that step, I own several. However, I have no idea why it's being asked about as the poster has not responded to my inquery on what they are even attempting to do
[01:12] <purple1> create stability by backing up the firmware
[01:12] <jerichowasahoax> purple1: response makes no sense
[01:13] <purple1> so "your friendly neighbor" doesn't break in and flash the firmware
[01:13] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, if your friendly neighbor is breaking into your home, you have bigger things to worry about
[01:13] <purple1> why worry
[01:13] <jerichowasahoax> purple1: if an attacker has enough access to your system to flash malicious firmware onto your wireless chipsets, you've got a bigger problem than "do i have a backup"
[01:14] <jerichowasahoax> purple1: a "format every drive you have, all your data is effectively compromised" level problem
[01:14] <purple1> not if at each sitting the system is built from the firmware up
[01:14] <jerichowasahoax> wat
[01:14] <purple1> which reminds me to look into rbit
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, please see https://tails.boum.org/ ... looks to be exactly what your needing. We don't support it, but you're free to reach out to their community with any questions
[01:16] <purple1> they dont know what they are doing
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, we have no further help for you. I wish you well in whatever you're attempting to do.
[01:20] <purple1> talked to them on discord the same day some clowns show up with  a teenager who did not identify
[01:20] <purple1> day aftethe summation was an addition to the enemy combatant list
[01:20] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, ENOUGH. This is a support channel for Ubuntu. That is offtopic and not appropriate for this chat room. Please take your conversation elsewhere
[01:26] <jusss> gnome 3.28 is available on ubuntu?
[01:26] <jusss> hello
[01:27] <Bashing-om> !info gnome bionic
[01:27] <pragmaticenigma> jusss, gnome 3.28 is scheduled to be released as part of ubuntu 18.04. For more information /join #ubuntu+1
[01:27] <jusss> pragmaticenigma: ok
[01:56] <redstart67> Hi there peeps! Just installed my first ever linux distro, in an attempt to get some use from an ancient netbook from the WindowsXP era, running a single core 1.6Ghz atom cpu on 1GHz of RAM! Was painful to use running Win7, but with a lightweight version of Lubuntu installed, it;s running nicely & now that I've discovered that the chromium web browser runs stably, I'm taking my first ever steps with using the command li
[01:56] <redstart67> indow to try & get used to doing things without using a graphical file manager!
[01:59] <Bashing-om> redstart67: :) Welcome to linux .
[01:59] <pragmaticenigma> That's great redstart67 ! Did you have a support question that we can help with?
[01:59] <Bashing-om> !rute
[02:05] <redstart67> To be honest, I've so many that I can't even think of what to focus on first? Is it really worth trying to force myself to use the command line for basic file management & so on, rather than continuing to use a graphical file manager? I've been rtold that over time, that will more than pay off, but it's taking some adjusting to, as it's painfully slow as I relearn basic stuff like launching software from a command, rath
[02:05] <redstart67> cking icons or dragging & dropping them between windows? Howevert, it does feel good when I nail a command properly! Is it really as useful to relearn things as people say it is?
[02:07] <redstart67> Apologies for not having a proper issue to ask about, but I'm sure that I'll be returning frequently in the coming days with a list of stuff to work through? I jsy wanted to say hi really!
[02:09] <redstart67> :)
[02:09] <AuroraAvenue> redstart67, Hello. you achieved a friend.
[02:09] <AuroraAvenue> Level 2
[02:11] <energizer> in gnome i want to add the topbar sound indicator to my other monitor also but i dont see hwo to dothis
[02:12] <Bashing-om> redstart67: Understand that no one knows all there is to know about terminal - take it east and you will pick up and learn what you need . in the menatine, learn the installed manual . In terminal do ' man man ' - 'q' to quit :)
[02:12] <Bashing-om> easy*
[02:14] <energizer> what is the name of the menu on the top bar that has the power off, sleep, sound, bluetooth?
[02:14] <energizer> wifi
[02:16] <purple1> it didnt work
[02:16] <purple1> broke the x environment and wifi
[02:16] <purple1> this has been the first update since install
[02:17] <purple1> if you are assisting pragmaticenigma you can have a user account for timeshare
[02:18] <purple1> this is a wrapping of unimatrix zero
[02:18] <redstart67> Thanks! I feel happy to have found this room full of linuxy ubuntu folk to help me work through the many great looking resources & websites supporting these great distros! I'd been wanting to dip my toe into the linux world for so long now, but had never gotten around to doing so until trying to revive some old hardware to give it another lease of life finally forced my hand & now I'm wondering just why I've put it off 
[02:18] <redstart67> m having so much fun & also learning more about the amazing systems around these days than I'd ever imagined possible? Thanaks for the advice & I'll have fun this weekend, working my way through all the basics of file management again from the manual. I didn't even realise that was there, so many thanks & see you again soon, no doubt?
[02:18] <purple1> join cncnet once the government software is removed the government is defunct
[02:19] <purple1> target geographic locations
[02:19] <purple1> the atom does have some bogomips pragmaticenigma run a process like seti
[02:20] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, you have been asked to take your conversation to another room. This room is for Ubuntu support only.
[02:21] <purple1> the update didnt work
[02:21] <purple1> not smoothly at least
[02:21] <Kumool> redstart67, no, GUI's are the future (or past, since, you know, faster) forcing yourself to use CLI for everything actually slows you down a lot, its clearly not worth it in many instances
[02:22] <purple1> it all installed but broke the desktop and wifi
[02:22] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, we cannot support your system. your customizations have taken your computer and installation out of scope from the abilities of this support channel.
[02:22] <purple1> did you see some customizations?
[02:22] <purple1> it was an install and update
[02:22] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, I told you earlier, I'm not helping you anymore
[02:23] <purple1> what is the official xubuntu cd then
[02:23] <Kumool> what i mean is, GUIs are really old technology, do get acquainted with the CLI since its useful, but GUIs are still faster in many respects, when they arent its a problem with the application itself and not that GUIs are inherently bad
[02:24] <redstart67> OK then. So perhaps I'll just familiarise nyself with how to use commands, but not worry too much about forcing myself to use it all the time, as it's certainly slower for me at the moment?
[02:25] <Kumool> yes!
[02:28] <redstart67> Thanks for your input, as I've read so many different views & opinions on how linux is best used, especially when compared to other operating systems, so it's difficult to know what to think sometimes? people can become almost evangelical in their ideas about these distros sometimes, so it's good to hear the thoughts of some users who actually use these systems to do real world stuff on
[02:29] <redstart67> Anyway, way past my bedtime now, here in UK, so many thanks again, happy ubuntu people & see you again soon :-[
[02:30] <Kumool> :) do come again for any questions
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> purple1, The offical download site for Xubuntu is https://xubuntu.org/download .. you can find instuctions on how to verify your ISO image here: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0 and ISO checksums can be found here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04/release/ ... A full install, without any modification or self compiled programs can be supported by this chat room or /join
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> #xubuntu ... as long as you stick to the tutorials offered by the ubuntu.com and xubuntu.org domains we can support your system.
[02:47] <keridenna> hi can any one told me how to use 'su'
[02:48] <akik> keridenna: you can use su  to change into any user
[02:48] <pragmaticenigma> !su | keridenna
[02:48] <akik> keridenna: "su -" changes into the root user, "su - username" changes into username. you need the target user's password
[02:50] <keridenna> ok thanks
[02:50] <akik> !su explanation talks about sudo :)
[02:54] <keridenna> hi how to install wpa-wps testor
[02:54] <Kumool> fn sudo { su -c $* root }
[02:56] <pragmaticenigma> Kumool, please be careful with posting commands and code in the chat room. there are users who may not understand what those commands and code do and risk damaging their systems. Let's stick to the support questions that come in, and avoid creating new ones
[02:59] <pragmaticenigma> keridenna, we can only support applications that are provided through the default package repositories from the Ubuntu domain. I do not see listings for that application, therefore it is not supported by this channel
[02:59] <pragmaticenigma> !pm | keridenna
[03:00] <keridenna> ok
[03:00] <keridenna> sorry
[03:02] <purple1> pragmaticenigma: link to the public log then
[03:02] <purple1> there was a nick which gave some info about broadcom
[03:02] <purple1> while you helped
[03:04] <krytarik> !logs
[03:05] <keridenna> what does this command do : gksudo "gnome-open %u"
[03:09] <keridenna> what does this command do : gksudo "gnome-open %u"
[03:09] <hsoshipeng> hello everyone
[03:10] <keridenna> hi
[03:11] <hsoshipeng> where are you from? keridenna
[03:11] <keridenna> Mauritania
[03:12] <keridenna> and you
[03:12] <hsoshipeng> china
[03:12] <mylanconnolly> keridenna, that should be a command to open a file with the default handler for that file type, using elevated permissions
[03:13] <hsoshipeng> I  don't know your country ...
[03:13] <hsoshipeng> sorry
[03:14] <hsoshipeng> do you know china?
[03:14] <krytarik> This isn't a general chat channel.
[03:14] <keridenna> do you know africa
[03:14] <hsoshipeng> yes
 do you know china? yes I know it
[03:15] <pragmaticenigma> hsoshipeng, keridenna : please keep your conversation to support related questions and answer about ubuntu. If you would like to chat, please join us in /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:16] <WorldGenesis[v]> !offtopic hsoshipeng
[03:16] <WorldGenesis[v]> !offtopic
[03:16] <hsoshipeng> China and Africa are good friends
[03:16] <pragmaticenigma> hsoshipeng, PLEASE take your conversation to /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:17] <purple1> jerichowasahoax: what was that comment about format?
[03:17] <purple1> looking at the logs it missed my reading
[03:19] <purple1> it looks like the update systems dont work well for one
[03:19] <purple1> though the live distros seem to be my own proxy code
[03:20] <purple1> like slipping into shoes that fit from wear
[03:20] <purple1> though the security updates are supposed to sort of be a live patching of exploits as they are released, right?
[03:24] <purple1> we talk about then and now
[03:25] <ZaZaQR> talk about what?
[03:25] <purple1> yet thenew barcode is next to the old
[03:25] <purple1> the old still there
[03:27] <purple1> ZaZaQR: i.e. the debate of using commandline or gui
[03:27] <purple1> and the barcodes
[03:28] <purple1> I'd propone the new
[03:28] <purple1> somebody want to drink the cup?
[03:32] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | purple1
[03:32] <CantonMathGuy> How can I find the environmental variables a program uses?
[03:33] <keridenna> hi how to install a theme
[03:33] <pragmaticenigma> CantonMathGuy, what is the program?
[03:33] <CantonMathGuy> Duplicacy
[03:34] <zer0x> Installed 18.04 today and encountered a bug: if I install CMake, slack and viber won't work since CMake uses libccurl4 and slack/viber needs libcurl3. Is there any possible fix?
[03:35] <pragmaticenigma> zer0x, use the Slack snap rather than compile from source. Also 18.04 is not supported here, please /join #ubuntu+1
[03:36] <zer0x> thanks pragmaticenigma
[03:37] <pragmaticenigma> CantonMathGuy, Duplicacy does not appear to be a program supplied through official Ubuntu package channels. Which means it cannot be supported here. I recommend that you locate the documentation provided by the software developer, as that will have the necassary information you are seeking.
[03:37] <ajbozdar_> How is the relationship of Ubuntu Software and Flatpak. It seems flatpak is messing with my artful Ubuntu. :(
[03:39] <pragmaticenigma> ajbozdar, Ubuntu supports snaps. Flatpak is not a supported application
[03:41] <zer0x> after installing a snap? how can I run the app? Slack for example, there's no command slack, is it snap run slack or something?
[03:41] <ajbozdar> And you know what, I love snaps. And you also know what, Gnome hates snaps, Gnome loves flatpaks..
[03:41] <ajbozdar> zer0x: Why do you need a command to run a snap? Are you on a server?
[03:41] <pragmaticenigma> ajbozdar, I can understand that. Still limited on what can help. You can check in /join #flatpak to see if they are able to help resolve your question
[03:42] <zer0x> oh yeah snap run slack, correct guess. ajbozdar: I'
[03:42] <zer0x> I don't know, my desktop doesn't has slack command
[03:42] <ajbozdar> Cheer, zer0x
[03:43] <ajbozdar> pragmaticenigma: I am looking into their channel. Let's see how they respond to my structured query.
[03:44] <pragmaticenigma> ajbozdar, to the best of my knowledge Ubuntu should not care that Flatpak is installed
[03:45] <pragmaticenigma> ajbozdar, however, if you installed via a PPA, it's possible the PPA is supplying a package that contains a version different than what Ubuntu has in their packages
[03:45] <pragmaticenigma> ajbozdar, which is why 3rd party ppa are considered use at your own risk
[03:46] <ajbozdar> pragmaticenigma: You are absolutely right. I just curled flatpak and integrated it with the Ubuntu Software. Now it is dancing horizontally.
[03:47] <ajbozdar> pragmaticenigma: Because it tries to install "up to date" software.
[03:48] <ajbozdar> I talked with a gnome developer and he said, they just want to go with the flatpak because it works for them. Gnome + Gitlab + Flatpak =~ Gnome 4.0 This is how they are thinking.
[03:49] <ajbozdar> pragmaticenigma: But if this is the case why Ubuntu wants Gnome to be the default DE? Can you answer this?
[03:53] <pragmaticenigma> ajbozdar, that decision was made at Canonical and their reason is they didn't see Unity as a viable product in the future.
[03:53] <pragmaticenigma> ajbozdar, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/why-did-ubuntu-drop-unity-mark-shuttleworth-explains
[03:54] <ajbozdar> Then why canonical is not supporting flatpak? It is like you want milk but skimmed and still don't lose the weight.
[03:56] <ajbozdar> pragmaticenigma: I assume you are using Artful 17.10. May I know what exactly you are using? Don't say vanila...!!!
[03:58] <tyoc213> Hi there, if I install the latest ubuntu... but what I really want is the new LTS (that comes in April) how I update it to that one and keep on that version???
[03:59] <pragmaticenigma> ajbozdar, I use 16.04 for its LTS. I don't use snaps as I don't personally believe the in the philosophy. I believe there are much better ways to offer up-to-date software
[03:59] <ajbozdar> For instance?
[04:00] <pragmaticenigma> tyoc213, 18.04 has not been released officially yet and is not yet supported. There is no upgrade path from the beta to the official release. You should install 16.04 at this time or wait for the official release
[04:00] <pragmaticenigma> tyoc213, for further assistance please /join #ubuntu+1
[04:00] <tyoc213>  /join #ubuntu+1
[04:01] <pragmaticenigma> I'm sorry ajbozdar, we've travelled into offtopic and I'm going to have to drop it
[04:01] <pragmaticenigma> tyoc213, remove the space in front of the forward slash /
[04:01] <CoJaBo> pragmaticenigma: Lots of places are saying the beta can be upgraded to release tho
[04:01] <tyoc213> pragmaticenigma, yeah, stupid copy paste
[04:01] <tyoc213> xD
[04:02] <pragmaticenigma> CoJaBo, it can be, but it isn't guaranteed to be as stable as a clean install
[04:02] <tyoc213> so... how one goes about one LTS to another???
[04:02] <pragmaticenigma> CoJaBo, or stable as using the upgrade path from 16.04 to 18.04 when it becomes available
[04:02] <tyoc213> it is a whole swipe of the system each time (each 4 years or so?)
[04:02] <ajbozdar> pragmaticenigma: You are free to drop it.
[04:03] <pragmaticenigma> tyoc213, no... when it's possible to do the upgrade, you will see a prompt in the GUI offering to upgrade your system to the latest LTS release
[04:03] <tyoc213> I see, so if I keep from LTS to LTS, no problem then
[04:03] <ajbozdar> So 18.04 is going to be rolling release, right?
[04:03] <tyoc213> OK
[04:03] <tyoc213> thx
[04:03] <pragmaticenigma> There is no current plans for a rolling release at this time
[04:04] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntu will continue to release a new version every 6 months, with a long term release every 2 years
[04:04] <chrome-driver> my google-driver is not working it says failed to request
[04:04] <tyoc213> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[04:07] <pragmaticenigma> tyoc213, that is the schedule, however the automatic update to 18.04 will not be available right away. Ubuntu has typically waited until the .1 release to offer the automated upgrade. Once most the initial bugs have been flushed out
[04:07] <Ben64> "There is no upgrade path from the beta to the official release"
[04:07] <Ben64> that's false
[04:08] <wreo> Wouldn't you be able to change the repo sources for apt?
[04:08] <wreo> or would that not be enough?
[04:08] <tyoc213> I see
[04:08] <Ben64> that's never the right thing to do wreo
[04:08] <tyoc213> thx for the info pragmaticenigma in the other channel they also mencioned the simple one to 18.04.1
[04:08] <pragmaticenigma> It is true, there is no upgrade path. You are already on the update channel for 18.04... there would be nothing to upgrade
[04:08] <tyoc213> so I guess that is not the one in the next month
[04:08] <tyoc213> that is only 18.04
[04:09] <pragmaticenigma> correct tyoc213
[04:11] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64, changing the apt sources list is what do-release-upgrade does. Along with checks to ensure all sources have the appropriate branch available to the new version of Ubuntu
[04:12] <pragmaticenigma> after that it call apt dist-upgrade
[04:12] <Ben64> doesn't change what i said at all
[04:13] <chrome-driver> my google-driver is not working it says failed to request Please help
[04:14] <pragmaticenigma> Ben64, you are correct, it's not wise to simply update the apt sources with the new branch version. as the do-release-upgrade program does system checks for comptibility and does it's best to ensure it's safe to do the upgrade without risk to the data on the machine
[04:14] <pragmaticenigma> chrome-driver, what is "google-driver" i have never heard of that
[04:14] <chrome-driver> sorry i mean chrome-driver not google-driver
[04:15] <pragmaticenigma> !chrome
[04:17] <pragmaticenigma> chrome-driver, that is software provided by google and is not part of the Ubuntu package management system. You will need to contact google's or chromium's support channels for assistance
[04:17] <pragmaticenigma> chrome-driver, see /join #chromium-support
[04:18] <chrome-driver> thanks
[04:26] <Kumool> is it just me or does spotify crash anybody elses' system?
[04:34] <Kumool> mmm just me then
[04:38] <ghostnik11> hey i am trying to compile a 4.9.87 kernel with patches for a asus t100taf but i can't on the actually asus t100taf b/c it doesn't have any space so now i am trying to do it off of my laptop. i know i can do it and i have copied the entire folder and put into my home folder on my laptop. but when i run make it tells me i need some packages before it will do the process
[04:39] <ghostnik11> my laptop has an intel icore 5 cpu and in terms of my asust t100taf it has an intel baytrail cpu
[04:47] <alexredflash008> hello?
[06:16] <ashwanisangwan> exit
[06:16] <ashwanisangwan> exit
[06:16] <ajbozdar> I just installed cinnamon. Do you know how to move applet to top?
[06:18] <ajbozdar> *applet = panel.
[06:18] <ajbozdar> I wanted to say bottom panel. I want to move it to top.
[06:27] <f00lest> hmm is there an irc in the world that is moderately active 24x7
[06:27] <f00lest> ?
[06:28] <bazhang> f00lest, there are, but this is support not chatter
[06:28] <bazhang> f00lest, you should ask in #freenode for that
[06:28] <f00lest> bazhang, owh
[06:29] <bgd> 62436
[06:31] <f00lest> bgd ?
[06:31] <f00lest> what is that number mate?
[06:32] <bgd> a mistake:)
[06:45] <pr0t> I am trying to install Ubuntu server 17.10 but it doesn't see my raid array device, but when I check the logs it does see sda and sdb which are the two drives that make up the array
[06:45] <pr0t> But it they don't show up in the partition GUI any ideas?
[06:49] <pr0t> Anyone around?
[06:49] <pr0t> https://pastebin.com/Xcs5Y3dR
[07:25] <noj_> hi guys just installed ubuntu but didnt tick install updates box-manually updated from terminal with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" then checked to if any needed updates from inside ubuntu software centre, none needed-however sound card drivers are not present how do i fix this guys?
[07:26] <noj_> nothin present in the software and updates>additional drivers either pertaining to sound card drivers
[07:27] <noj_> have rebooted also just to be safe
[07:27] <noj_> (certain it wasnt a reboot issue)
[07:29] <noj_> every other install same versions 16.04/17.10 sound has worked fine but i always ticked both boxes during installation this time i did not only selected the bottom box from inside ubiquity
[07:31] <allizom> noj_, first things first: have you checked your preferences / Audio / output for selected sound card and volume?
[07:32] <mateothegreat> noj_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure actually has a good punch list
[07:32] <noj_> omg i am a bannana head it was on mute i am so sorry for wasting your time
[07:32] <noj_> rofl
[07:32] <mateothegreat> woo.. crisis averted!
[07:33] <mateothegreat> mute button works... check that off the list too ;d
[07:33]  * noj_ cant beleive how silly he is 
[07:35] <noj_> i was wondering what runs my audio (re drivers) on a linux system i have a gigabyte A8N-E-deluxe
[07:35] <noj_> is it pulse audio or is that a program
[07:35] <noj_> on windows its realtek audio i think
[07:44] <noj_> so from what ive been reading pulse audio is a network-capable sound server-i think that means its a driver by reading the description of what it does can anyone confirm that its a driver for my own learning curve please
[07:45] <cfhowlett> pulseaudio is the sound handler in ubuntu.  NOT a device driver
[07:45] <noj_> thanks
[07:46] <cfhowlett> !realtek > noj_
 thanks
 thanks
[07:48] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
 is this the name of driver that my system is using to run my sound; both of them-see imgur link
[08:01] <noj_> https://imgur.com/a/IK9xx
[08:03] <cfhowlett> seems legit.  AMD for normal use and nvidia for HDMI.
[08:16] <noj_> guys need some help on basic setup of ufw for a home pc for security so far have denied all incomming and allowed all outgoing-will this be fine for using browsers irc and torrent or will i need a rule for transmission and a port number-pretty sure i know how to do but am noob re ufw and firewalls re linux
[08:17] <noj_> have enabled ufw also
[08:17] <cfhowlett> I enabled UFW.  transmission has never triggered it
[08:18] <noj_> may sound odd but need i do anything other than deny incomming and allow outgoing
[08:18] <noj_> for reletive security re firewall
[08:20] <Simarillion> Hello channel.
[08:20] <Simarillion> I just managed an install of xUbuntu on an ASUS Vivobook
[08:20] <noj_> welcome
[08:20] <noj_> enjoy
[08:22] <Simarillion> After querying the system to be sure i booted/installed UEFI/GPT with commands: [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS #and# the sys response was UEFI.
[08:25] <cfhowlett> noj_, default ufw has always worked for me.  YMMV.
[08:26] <Simarillion> The only other commands i am familiar with to verify this are: dmesg | grep "EFI v" #the sys response was: [    0.000000] efi: EFI v2.31 by American Megatrends
[08:27] <noj_> what folder does ubuntu 16.04 mount internal drives want to find them in terminal dont know where to go to from root
[08:27] <arm> hi all
[08:27] <arm> i am Arm Bian
[08:27] <noj_> they are all already mounted fyi
[08:27] <Guest69203> i want online radio
[08:27] <noj_> none are usb all hdd
[08:28] <Guest69203> please give me a advice
[08:28] <noj_> all gud
[08:28] <Simarillion> I also ran the fdisk -l and reply was MBR: protective GPT: present
[08:28] <Guest69203> yep yep!
[08:29] <Simarillion> I'm unsure if i should run Python commands because i don't have all of the necessaries from the repository.
[08:30] <Simarillion> I think fdisk
[08:30] <VTCoder> Recently, I wasn't able to boot on Ubuntu as the disk was left with no space. I booted using live cd and moved some of the data. I see some errors now while booting. Some PCIe error. Is it due to the described event?
[08:31] <Simarillion> I have used gdisk
[08:32] <VTCoder> Someone here?
[08:33] <cfhowlett> only 1500 people here
[08:34] <Simarillion> VTCoder did you backup your partitions and data before you moved things around?
 wouldnt that mean it was active but not doing anything-serious question, iam new but from what i read assume that would be the case-what you think?
[08:34] <VTCoder> Nope.
[08:34] <csbadhe> My screen is blinking and it's saying /dev/sda1:clean, <some number> files, <some number> blocks
[08:34] <csbadhe> please hel
[08:34] <csbadhe> help*
[08:34] <VTCoder> @csbadhe is it stuck on that?
[08:35] <konrados> Hi. I tried to install unity-tweak-tool and at the end I got this: http://dpaste.com/1BJHPHM - E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) -  does it mean it did not get installed?
[08:35] <csbadhe> yes VTCoder
[08:35] <VTCoder> konrados reboot and retry installing
[08:35] <konrados> VTCoder: OK, sec. I'll be back :)
[08:36] <VTCoder> @csbadhe is it showing some kind of terminal then?
[08:36] <Simarillion> ok, before you move/resize anything else, wait for assistance or guidance. I always backup my partitions and data (prior to moving/resizing or deleting partitions). Did you reformat any of the original partitions - don't..until someone knowledgeable about your situation can give suggestion,
[08:37] <csbadhe> It's terminal like window but I can't type anything there it is struct on that warning @VTCoder
[08:37] <Simarillion> Sometimes you may be able to recover partitions and data. Why didn't you run ubuntu from a portable USB?
[08:37] <csbadhe> I tried fsck repair but it not worked
[08:38] <VTCoder> That's not a warning @csbadhe. did you try working out with nvidia the last boot?
[08:38] <Simarillion> What command/method did you use to move/resize/change the partitions VTCoder?
[08:38] <csbadhe> @Simarillion are talking about to me?
[08:38] <VTCoder> @Simarillion Like what are you asking?
[08:39] <VTCoder> I didn't resize or something
[08:39] <Simarillion> No am speaking to VTCoder.
[08:39] <csbadhe> Okay
[08:39] <Simarillion> No problem csbadhe
[08:39] <VTCoder> I moved my data to another disk and ubuntu sucessfully booted
[08:39] <Simarillion> VTCoder, ok..
[08:39] <VTCoder> but now some errors have become often
[08:39] <Simarillion> it booted, and then..
[08:40] <VTCoder> I suspect either it's becouse of VirtualBox or some part of ubuntu has been affected
[08:40] <VTCoder> *because
[08:40] <VTCoder> I'd like to know more about it.
[08:41] <Simarillion> Can you remember any of the error messages (write them down next time you see an error and then you can report them in this channel so that someone may be able to give you better solution)
[08:41] <VTCoder> wait
[08:42] <VTCoder> PCIe Bus Error: severity=Corrected, type=Physical Layer, id=00e8(Reciever ID)
[08:42] <Simarillion> Did you download a lot of packages and additional apps after the Ubuntu install VTCoder?
[08:43] <VTCoder> device [8086:9d1b] error status/mask=00000001/00002000
[08:43] <VTCoder> [ 0] Receiver Error
[08:43] <VTCoder> Simarillion yes
[08:43] <VTCoder> but I installed this copy of ubuntu months ago.
[08:44] <VTCoder> And till the time I didn't work with VirtualBox(it was the reason why I got out of memory), It worked without errors.
[08:45] <VTCoder> BTW, This error shows up while booting itself.
[08:45] <Simarillion> package= OS software packages (example, Debian packages)
[08:45] <VTCoder> yes many
[08:46] <VTCoder> csbadhe you did fsck for / or /dev/sda1 ?
[08:47] <ducasse> VTCoder: have you tried booting with a different kernel?
[08:47] <VTCoder> ducasse nope.
[08:47] <ducasse> VTCoder: then try that first
[08:48] <VTCoder> Well I'll be back then
[08:48] <csbadhe> fsck for / VTCoder
[08:48] <Simarillion> Not all software packages for Debian are stable for use with various Ubuntu OS versions (distributions)
[08:48] <VTCoder> csbadhe do it for /dev/sda1
[08:49] <VTCoder> csbadhe try doing the third answer of this:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/882385/dev-sda1-clean-this-message-appears-after-i-startup-my-laptop-then-it-wont-c
[08:49] <VTCoder> till then I'd try booting in different kernel
[08:50] <csbadhe> Yeah okay. I'm trying. Will be back thanks @VTCoder
[08:50] <Simarillion> csbadhe?
[08:50] <Simarillion> Did you upgrade your version of Ubuntu?
[08:52] <Simarillion> This could be a system response to a fsck check, csbadhe
[08:52] <csbadhe> No. I did not upgrade. @Simarillion
[08:55] <Simarillion> Did you run a disk check, csbadhe. The  /dev/sda: clean generally occurs after a disk check
[08:56] <VTCoder> ducasse you were right. It was the kernel.
[08:56] <VTCoder> I rebooted using 4.4.112-generic and all was right
[08:57] <csbadhe> Yeah. I did disc check with fsck it's saying same error on the terminal @Simarillion
[08:57] <VTCoder> is it because maybe virtualbox doesn't support 4.4.116-generic nicely enough?
[08:57] <csbadhe> *showing
[08:57] <VTCoder> csbadhe did you try doing fsck for /dev/sda1?
[08:57] <csbadhe> Yeah tried @VTCoder
[08:57] <csbadhe> it didn't fix
[08:58] <csbadhe> I don't have CD now
[08:58] <Simarillion> Ok
[08:58] <ducasse> VTCoder: could be, it could also be a kernel regression.
[08:58] <VTCoder> ducasse could you explain a bit?
[08:59] <Simarillion> Here is a link -csbadhe-  https://askubuntu.com/questions/761653/startup-problem-in-16-04
[09:00] <ducasse> VTCoder: it could just be a bug that (re)appeared in that kernel version
[09:01] <Simarillion> There you go, VTCoder, help is already helping (Nice, ducasse)
[09:01] <VTCoder> also ducasse, a point to be noted, in previous versions of virtualbox, if you try installing them on newer kernels, it doesn't installs
[09:01] <VTCoder> Thanks ducasse
[09:02] <Simarillion> Yes, they don't always play nice (not all are stable, they are still in development)
[09:02] <VTCoder> and Simarillion too
[09:02] <Simarillion> BUT..they are free.
[09:02] <VTCoder> yes.
[09:02] <konrados> VTCoder: I can't purge the unity-tweak-tool because of "unmet dependencies" o.O why does it want to meat the dependencies when I want to remove the package?
[09:03] <Simarillion> You are very welcome. I only gathered the information, i wish i could assisted you but i do not have the experience the others do.
[09:03] <konrados> VTCoder:  It tells me to run apt-get -f install - but it works globally, right? On all the packages? I am a bit scared of running, I just wanted to tweak one small thing o.O
[09:04] <sivahulk> hi
[09:04] <sivahulk> hello
[09:04] <sivahulk> is anyone is there
[09:04] <VTCoder> konrados yeah try it. It won't be a problem
[09:05] <konrados> VTCoder: hmmmm ok... but right now I would like to just turn back time and just not install this package, 200MB ehhhh
[09:05] <konrados> sec
[09:05] <VTCoder> konrados, first try installing unity-webapps-common otherwise
[09:05] <sivahulk> is there any video players
[09:05] <ducasse> konrados: try 'sudo dpkg -P unity-tweak-tool'
[09:05] <sivahulk> for movies
[09:05] <sivahulk> can u say in english
[09:05] <konrados> VTCoder:  without removing/or other things?
[09:06] <VTCoder> konrados yes.
[09:07] <konrados> ducasse: thanks I'll try it after trying the other way:)
[09:07] <VTCoder> konrados or yet if it doesn't work, try purging
[09:07] <VTCoder> and then autoremove and autoclean followed by installing
[09:07] <konrados> sivahulk - vlc media player?
[09:08] <VTCoder> sivahulk smplayer is nice in case of ssh and slow speed
[09:10] <konrados> VTCoder ducasse `sudo dpkg -P unity-tweak-tool` I did try it and it seems it works, so... I'll try installing again
[09:10] <VTCoder> nice
[09:10] <konrados> no....
[09:11] <konrados> it still says The following packages have unmet dependencies o.O
[09:11] <VTCoder> did you try purging?
[09:11] <VTCoder> sudo apt purge unity-tweak-tool
[09:11] <VTCoder> konrados
[09:11] <konrados> sec
[09:12] <Simarillion> there are video player that run in ubuntu.
[09:12] <konrados> VTCoder: I tried now and again: The following packages have unmet dependencies: unity-scope-gdrive : Depends: account-plugin-google but it is not going to be installed
[09:12] <Simarillion> You can download them from the software store.
[09:13] <VTCoder> Simarillion in-built video player has some problems with older versions
[09:13] <VTCoder> konrados could you tell about your system specifications
[09:13] <Simarillion> Be careful where you go to download them if you don't do so in the software store. Some sites are on the risky side.
[09:14] <VTCoder> SImarillion smplayer could be installed by apt and it's nice. Especially for older encoding. for newer encodings, in-bilt workds fine
[09:15] <VTCoder> *built
[09:15] <konrados> VTCoder: Linux konrad 4.4.0-98-generic #121-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 10 14:24:03 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux - DISTRIB_RELEASE=16.04
[09:15] <VTCoder> konrados ?... Could you share system specs
[09:15] <konrados> yes, it's above, is there something else I should post?
[09:15] <Simarillion> VLC LAN is another but downloading these items is taking a risk if you do not have a virus/malware scanner to verify them as 'germ-free (virus or malware - PUP)
[09:15] <VTCoder> Update once
[09:15] <VTCoder> konrado
[09:16] <VTCoder> konrados
[09:16] <konrados> VTCoder:  just to be sure, sudo apt-get update - ?
[09:16] <VTCoder> yes
[09:16] <konrados> sec
[09:16] <VTCoder> BTW Simarillion how to report some bugs?
[09:16] <konrados> I just wanted to tweak one small thing :)
[09:17] <VTCoder> konrados as you wish. Any way you'll get to learn something new ;)
[09:17] <Simarillion> Report them to team project developers of the package
[09:17] <VTCoder> Simarillion where?
[09:17] <ducasse> !bug | VTCoder
[09:17] <Simarillion> Submit bug report to the developers (check where you downloaded the package from).
[09:18] <VTCoder> thanks ubottu
[09:18] <konrados> VTCoder: but I constantly have problems with apt-get o.O btw, doing the update one of the msg were: AppStream cache update completed, but some metadata was ignored due to errors. - should I be worried?
[09:18] <Simarillion> Thank you ubottu.
[09:18] <VTCoder> konrados first upgrade then followed by update and then upgrade
[09:19] <Simarillion> I am not a developer or coder..just a humble nub myself. VTCoder knows more than i.
[09:19] <VTCoder> Simarillion I am too a noob
[09:19] <Simarillion> If you are a coder, you are not a noob.
[09:19] <VTCoder> Simarillion thanks for the compliment
[09:20] <Simarillion> You are an apprentice with a future.
[09:20] <VTCoder> Simarillion thanks.
[09:21] <konrados> VTCoder: but I'm scared of doing upgrade :) Do I really have to? I wanted to do it on 2020 or something ... ok, you live only once! Sec!
[09:21] <azi`> I deleted my sources.list by accident, what is the best way to recover it properly?
[09:21] <VTCoder> konrados yes you NEED to
[09:21] <Simarillion> I'm an old fossil..but i have tried and installed many packages and found out the hard way..agghh..crash and burn.
[09:21] <noj_> if i change setting to ipv6=no from inside file "sudo nano /etc/default/ufw" will it disable ipv6 for my system wide?-ufw installed and enabled
[09:22] <VTCoder> konrados I check for updates nearly every two days XD
[09:22] <konrados> VTCoder: ok ok :) btw, it says: You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these... and again the unmet deps. So... maybe I'll do it :)
[09:22] <Simarillion> azi (see this link) https://askubuntu.com/questions/586595/restore-default-apt-repositories-in-sources-list-from-command-line
[09:23] <noj_> https://imgur.com/a/i7rPz
[09:23] <ducasse> konrados: do the 'apt install -f' if you haven't already
[09:25] <konrados> ducasse: VTCoder I'm getting crazy :(((( This is why I hate this apt-get and upgrading and updating .... - http://dpaste.com/2S5A6HJ
[09:26] <Simarillion> ok, i am going to run python script to verify my boot status just to be on the diverse side.
[09:26] <ducasse> konrados: run 'sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/account-plugin-google_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb'
[09:27] <Simarillion> Good thing you showed up ducasse, i was out of my depths re: VM installs.
[09:27] <azi`> Simarillion: thanks
[09:28] <Simarillion> and..simply out of my depths.
[09:28] <Simarillion> Di that help azi?
[09:28] <konrados> ducasse: : dpkg: error processing package account-plugin-google (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[09:28] <Simarillion> *Did* that help you at all, azi`?
[09:29] <konrados> ducasse: full: http://dpaste.com/2TNX85D
[09:29] <Simarillion> You are welcome, azi`. Same thing happened to me long while back.
[09:31] <ducasse> konrados: 'sudo dpkg --configure unity-asset-pool'
[09:31] <konrados> done
[09:31] <konrados> ducasse: done, no errors, what's next?
[09:32] <Simarillion> Some of the Debian sftwr pckg dependencies had bashed they daylight out of my Ubuntu..12.04.4..Yikes! yes, i remember it well.
[09:32] <ducasse> konrados: run 'sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/account-plugin-google_0.12+16.04.20160126-0ubuntu1_all.deb' again
[09:33] <konrados> sec
[09:33] <konrados> ducasse: done, now purge?
[09:34] <Simarillion> Well people, i'm off myself to run a broken packages/orphans sweep on my other machine.
[09:34] <ducasse> konrados: no, try 'sudo apt install -f' again, let's see if it's good now
[09:34] <Simarillion> Thanks for the lesson konrados...(my motto is: watch and learn)
[09:35] <Simarillion> And thanks a bundle, ducasse.
[09:35] <konrados> Simarillion: and you did learn something? It's different than in my case o.O
[09:35] <ducasse> Simarillion: yw :)
[09:35] <zahid> hi
[09:35] <Simarillion> Gnome and Unity keeps us all learning.
[09:35] <Simarillion> Sometimes the hard way.
[09:36] <konrados> ducasse: just btw, do you really mean 'apt install' not 'apt-get install...'?
[09:36] <Simarillion> I better flee, 5 minutes to coffee. B'bye fellow human beings.
[09:37] <ducasse> konrados: doesn't really matter, i use 'apt' mostly because it's less typing :)
[09:39] <konrados> ducasse: ah, I didn't even know there is such animal :) And yes - it worked. So... should I now do the upgrade and update?
[09:40] <ducasse> konrados: if that finished without errors everything should be ok
[09:41] <konrados> ducasse: cooool. So... should I try to sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool again?
[09:41] <konrados> I mean that's not really important to me to have it, but if there is a chance it will work now:)
[09:41] <ducasse> konrados: you can try, pastebin full output if it fails
[09:41] <konrados> ok, sec
[09:43] <konrados> ducasse: ehhhh, I give up. Yeah, it did install, no errors. But when I try to run it (from console btw) I get "com.canonical.notify-osd In order to work properly, Unity Tweak Tool recommends you install the necessary packages" - so I give up
[09:44] <konrados> ducasse: but thank you!
[09:44] <ducasse> konrados: odd, any dependencies should have been installed
[09:45] <ducasse> konrados: at least you can install and update without errors now
[09:46] <konrados> ducasse: so... I'll try sudo apt-get upgrade now :)
[09:46] <ducasse> konrados: use 'apt-get dist-upgrade' instead
[09:47] <konrados> ducasse: I once did it, 1.5 years ago, and then spent 2 days reinstalling everything, I have trauma now
[09:47] <konrados> I think I'll leave it for now :)
[09:48] <ducasse> konrados: all it does is handle changed dependencies, use 'upgrade' if you feel safer :)
[09:49] <konrados> ducasse: ok I will. BTW, it will not upgrade my kernel right?
[09:50] <konrados> I mean I will use the dist-upgrade. But does this or upgrade change the kernel?
[09:51] <konrados> I really have trauma with this apt-get things o.O
[09:51] <ducasse> dist-upgrade does, at least - i don't use upgrade so not sure. you can hold it back, though.
[09:51] <konrados> what do you mean by "hold it back"?
[09:52] <ducasse> 'apt-mark hold linux-image-generic' will prevent it from being upgraded
[09:53] <konrados> where do I put it? Just like that, in the shell? so sudo apt-mark... ?
[09:53] <ducasse> yes, with sudo
[09:54] <moom9> hello how can i install xchat?
[09:55] <ducasse> moom9: xchat is no longer maintained, and has been replaced with hexchat
[09:56] <moom9> thanks how can i install hexchat?
[09:56] <ducasse> moom9: 'sudo apt install hexchat' or use the software centre
[09:57] <moom9> thanks
[09:57] <moom9> :)
[10:25] <VTCoder> konrados you here?
[10:30] <qswz> !es
[10:31]  * qswz nvm, just some spanish question
[10:43] <jerry> ??
[10:43] <jerry> ??
[10:43] <VTCoder> jerry just closing other useless sessions
[10:43] <VTCoder> Sorry
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:57] <Actarus> Hey everyone :) a quick question... What IRC clients do you use?
[10:57] <mateothegreat> mIRC!
[10:58] <Actarus> mateothegreat, sure :)
[10:58] <mateothegreat> irsii if you're command line privvy
[10:58] <Actarus> mateothegreat, I am learning irssi
[10:58] <mateothegreat> quassel is _decent_ but buggy
[10:59] <Actarus> mateothegreat, yeah I found out that
[10:59] <mateothegreat> Actarus: get them hotkeys dialed in and you'll never go back ;D
[10:59] <jonnyblaze> hello,how can i find out whichkernel i have installed using apt?
[10:59] <TJ-> Actarus: weechat
[11:00] <TJ-> jonnyblaze: "apt list linux-image* --installed"
[11:00] <jonnyblaze> ty
[11:00] <TJ-> jonnyblaze: running kernel version using "uname -r"
[11:00] <Actarus> TJ-, I'll probably try that next
[11:00] <Irritiable> Hi, TJ-.
[11:00] <TJ-> Actarus: I use weechat since it's very programmable
[11:01] <mateothegreat> cat /etc/lsb-release for dist info
[11:01] <Actarus> TJ-, thx for the advice, I'll try that
[11:05] <TJ-> Also, weechat is a ncurses terminal not GUI so I can use it without a GUI, via SSH sessions, and so forth, so for my use-case it's much more flexible
[11:07] <Actarus> TJ-, wow I did not know that... It seems I have a nice project to try for this weekend :)
[11:09] <Sumpherien> Hi everyone !
[11:09] <ducasse> Actarus: with weechat you can also use e.g. a webclient like glowingbear through a relay
[11:10] <TJ-> Actarus: I wrote a python extension called 'follow' for it to help IRC support; it allows me to pull all conversation with a/some  nickname(s) into a seperate buffer so the conversation doesn't get confused by unrelated messages, and logs it to a separate file, so I can easily follow and review complex issues.
[11:11] <Sumpherien> I'm looking for some help to use an accountancy app working with Silverlight that I need to access through Firefox. Any idea ?
[11:12] <Sumpherien> Or how can I install IE11 on a linux-based distro ?
[11:14] <TJ-> Sumpherien: sounds like you need a Windows virtual machine; I don't think there's any reliable Silverlight support nowadays.
[11:15] <Sumpherien> Thanks for your answer TJ-, I already have a VM with Win7 on it, but my problem is that I'm trying to work on a laptop that is not that fast, so I wanted to know if there would be a more comfortable solution...
[11:20] <TJ-> Sumpherien: As I recall, even when Silverlight was being actively pushed by MS and sites as an alternative to Flash, The Linux support was severely lacking due to not being able to implement various DRM features
[11:22] <Sumpherien> TJ-: ok :)
[11:23] <Sumpherien> How does it work when the app is detecting I'm not using Internet Explorer ? Can I cheat it so I can use another navigator ?
[11:24] <lord4163> what's a good music player that can stream music to my network music player?
[11:25] <lord4163> I can't find a single one
[11:25] <TJ-> Sumpherien: it's generally doing various Javascript tests; in some very limited cases you can fudge that by modifying the Javascript as it is loaded but that usually leads to weird problems and is guaranteed to frustrate you but not get you any benefit
[11:26] <TJ-> lord4163: something like minidlna you mean?
[11:27] <Sumpherien> TJ-: So... no real solution. Hope my accountant will evolve and stop making crappy apps that only work under windows
[11:27] <lord4163> TJ-: I don't want to setup a server, just play a damn song..
[11:29] <Irritiable> Sumpherien: Crappy because they're crappy or crappy because they work under Windows?
[11:30] <Sumpherien> Irritiable: crappy because we're in 2018 and I'm still forced to buy a specific OS to work on an online application... :D
[11:31] <BluesKaj> lord4163, VLC has streaming capabilities, but I've never really tried to use them
[11:33] <lord4163> BluesKaj: I can't find it...
[11:33] <TJ-> Sumpherien: that's proprietary lock-in for you; only long-term option is to avoid those services that do it, even if it causes short-term pain
[11:33] <lord4163> BluesKaj: This is ridiculous. We have 1001 music players and none of them support basic shit like this.
[11:34] <TJ-> lord4163: what is this 'network music player' ? Don't they all expect/use DLNA?
[11:34] <Sumpherien> TJ-: But it's for my professionnal accountancy, I can't work another way at the moment...
[11:34] <TJ-> Sumpherien: I sympathise.. that's the bind always.
[11:35] <Sumpherien> :3
[11:35] <lord4163> TJ-: Yes...
[11:35] <lord4163> TJ-: and how do I stream to it from Ubuntu?
[11:36] <TJ-> lord4163: using a DLNA server... e.g. minidlna, or any appication that has an internal DLNA server
[11:37] <BluesKaj> lord4163, some research on your part is required too. in vlc click on media then stream
[11:37] <lord4163> BluesKaj: That's just to open a stream
[11:38] <lord4163> TJ-: Why do I need a server? I already have a server? My raspberry pi is running gmediarenderer-resurrect
[11:39] <TJ-> lord4163: as BluesKaj just said, VLC, File > Stream
[11:39] <TJ-> sorry, Media > Stream
[11:40] <tomreyn> Sumpherien: you could now tell your professionnal accountancy that you no longer consider them to be professional next year if they wont have progress in terms of offering cross platform services  by then.
[11:40] <BluesKaj> looks like we're dealing with "attitude here, think i'll for go this one , not in the mood
[11:40] <Sumpherien> tomreyn: Sure !
[11:41] <lord4163> TJ-: Doesn't support dlna?
[11:42] <cfhowlett> lord4163, Tools → Preferences → All → Playlist → Services and Discovery, and enable Universal Plug and Play (UPnP).
[11:42] <cfhowlett> Then go to VLC main menu and click View → Playlist and scroll down to Local Network. Locate Universal Plug and Play and click on it.
[11:42] <cfhowlett> A few moments later your media service should be shown on the main window to the right. If you click on it (or double click) then it will start showing you all the folders/files being served. Give it time as it took mine almost 30 seconds to show everything.
[11:42] <cfhowlett> Since VLC 2.x you can skip the Tools process and directly go to View -> Playlist -> Local Network -> Universal Plug'n'Play to get the DLNA devices on your network listed and stream from them.
[11:44] <TJ-> !info pulseaudio-dlna module | lord4163 you could try
[11:44] <TJ-> !info pulseaudio-dlna | lord4163 you could try
[11:45] <TJ-> lord4163: documentation from upstream for pulseaudio-dlna showing how to use it is at https://github.com/masmu/pulseaudio-dlna
[11:47] <lord4163> TJ-: I will try that
[11:48] <TJ-> lord4163: I use the same mechanism (but not DLNA) to stream media from one PC to another using Pulseaudio in the same way
[11:48] <panggi> list
[11:48] <TJ-> lord4163: allows you to have music that follows you from room to room :)
[11:51] <konrados> ducasse: VTCoder_ heeey! Please help me again:) I did the 'upgrade' and now I see this: http://dpaste.com/1GZPTMZ
[11:51] <konrados> "A new version (/usr/share/unattended-upgrades/20auto-upgrades-disabled) of configuration file "
[11:52] <konrados> I wants something from me
[11:52] <lord4163> TJ-: doesn't work
[11:52] <konrados> like, to make a decision
[11:53] <tomreyn> konrados: what are you upgrading from and to there?
[11:53] <VTCoder_> konrados first option according to me
[11:53] <ducasse> konrados: choose one of the first two choices
[11:53] <happy_hacker> How do you update one package from a PPA?
[11:54] <Irritiable> apt-get update?
[11:54] <Irritiable> You mean one particular package?
[11:54] <VTCoder_> happy_hacker add the repository
[11:54] <Irritiable> You mean you want to only update a given package? *
[11:54] <tomreyn> happy_hacker: you have the PPA already setup?
[11:54] <konrados> tomreyn: I believe I'm upgrading everything... sudo apt-get upgrade, and I'm a bit scared
[11:54] <konrados> VTCoder_: ducasse ok, thanks!
[11:54] <VTCoder_> happy_hacker then update and install whichever software you want
[11:55] <happy_hacker> tomreyn: Yes, I setup the repo and the package is installed. It has a bug or two and I wanted to try updating it.
[11:55] <ikonia> updating it ?
[11:55] <ikonia> if there was a later version wouldn't the PPA have offered it
[11:55] <ikonia> and if there is a later version wouldn't you be better to check the chnge log to see if it fixes your problem before upgrading
[11:56] <Irritiable> happy_hacker: Are you trying to update the ONE package or ALL packages?
[11:56] <VTCoder> happy_hacker after adding the repository, it acts similar to the main packages. Just update
[11:56] <ikonia> and also what are the dependencies it pulls in and how would they impact your system
[11:56] <happy_hacker> Irritiable: that ONE pkg
[11:56] <happy_hacker> 7:03:20 < happy_hacker> How do you update one package from a PPA?
[11:56] <tomreyn> happy_hacker: if the PPA offers a newer version, you should be able to install it using just "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade"
[11:56] <Irritiable> happy_hacker: I'm not sure if you're able to do that or not; you can use: sudo apt-get update
[11:57] <VTCoder> konrados any updates you'd like to share?
[11:57] <Irritiable> happy_hacker: I saw your question. Ergo: My question (equally repeated for clarification).
[11:57] <Irritiable> [06:54:17] <Irritiable> You mean you want to only update a given package? *
[11:57] <happy_hacker> tomreyn: that pulls in other things I didn't want to update atm
[11:57] <Irritiable> happy_hacker: Ah! So I was right. :)
[11:58] <Irritiable> VTCoder: He wants to update *ONLY* the one package.
[11:58] <tomreyn> happy_hacker: sorry, if you only want to upgrade this one specific packaghe then it's: sudo apt update && sudo apt install PACKAGE
[11:58] <Irritiable> "FROM" the given PPA name.
[11:58] <happy_hacker> Irritiable: I didn't see that first question.
[11:58] <Irritiable> happy_hacker: I kind of figured. :p
[11:59] <lord4163> TJ-: got it working, this is awesome :)
[12:00] <VTCoder> konrados I'd be back in a minute
[12:00] <TJ-> lord4163: what was the initial problem?
[12:01] <lord4163> TJ-: the raspberry pi
[12:01] <happy_hacker> so "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade go-for-it" yesterday listed it's repo in update, but did not update the pkg  Hit:5 http://ppa.launchpad.net/go-for-it-team/go-for-it-daily/ubuntu artful InRelease
[12:02] <happy_hacker> Looks like maybe there isn't an update available.
[12:03] <happy_hacker> http://ppa.launchpad.net/go-for-it-team/go-for-it-daily/ubuntu/dists/artful/Release     Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018  0:13:59 UTC
[12:03] <tomreyn> happy_hacker: https://launchpad.net/~go-for-it-team/+archive/ubuntu/go-for-it-daily?field.series_filter=artful suggests the same
[12:03] <happy_hacker> another guy from Gentoo here (herb)
[12:03] <VTCoder> konrados any update?
[12:04] <happy_hacker> wonder why he calls the repo 'daily'
[12:04] <happy_hacker>  Go For It! (daily builds)
[12:04] <TJ-> happy_hacker: Groundhog Day maybe? :p
[12:05] <happy_hacker> TJ-: Or he's a leap year baby ... they're special.  ;)
[12:06] <happy_hacker> The bug I found wasn't listed, so I'll brighten his day later.
[12:09] <ikonia> why are you blindly using daily builds
[12:09] <ikonia> why not actually look at the bug - look where/how/if it's fixed in other releases
[12:11] <Irritiable> How do you make it so you can execute a bash script (*.sh file) by simply double clicking on it? Ubuntu 16.04 LTS; the file has been tagged as an executable. dconf editor does not seem to be working.
[12:11] <Irritiable> Nor is nautilus; https://askubuntu.com/questions/299052/how-to-execute-sh-script-from-a-desktop-shortcut
[12:11] <happy_hacker> ikonia: excuse me, but this is the second time you're been accusatory towards me, and the last
[12:11] <ikonia> I'm not accusing you of anything
[12:11] <ikonia> I'm asking you
[12:12] <TJ-> Here's a confusing issue! Using mutt (mail client), sorting on Date, it ignores year! I'm in a mailbox with contents from 2005-2018 and it's only sorting on day/month !
[12:12] <happy_hacker> ikonia: you don't know anything about me, what I do for a living, what my life is like
[12:12] <ikonia> happy_hacker: that doesn't change the question
[12:12] <happy_hacker> ikonia: "why are you blindly using daily builds" is accusatory
[12:12] <ikonia> no, it' asking a question
[12:12] <happy_hacker> Matt, I've seen you around these parts for years. You back off now.
[12:13] <ikonia> happy_hacker: I'm asking a question nothing more
[12:13] <ikonia> and well done on typing /whois
[12:14] <happy_hacker> ikonia: I'm wasting two more sentences on you, and that's it.
[12:14] <happy_hacker> ikonia: First, I already know there's a bug, and it's nor previously fixed. If so, I wouldn't have it in the lastest build, unless it was a regression.
[12:15] <ikonia> happy_hacker: but it's a daily build, not a later release
[12:15] <happy_hacker> ikonia: Second, I code for a living, and have been working too many hours to fool with a little app like Go-For-It! atm.
[12:15] <happy_hacker> ikonia: Read the buffer, and hit the apps website. No more time wasted on you.
[12:15] <ikonia> what has "I code for a living" got to do with anything
[12:15] <happy_hacker> ikonia: You need an attitude adjustment.
[12:16] <ikonia> happy_hacker: you do - asking a question is not unreasonable, more so if it may save you pain in the long run
[12:16] <happy_hacker> ikonia: I don't have to whois you, because I know you from other channels, such as #gentoo. You wouldn't want that log to be publicly posted. It just proves you're more into critical stuff than helpful.
[12:17] <ikonia> happy_hacker: wouldn't want what to be posted ?
[12:17] <happy_hacker> ikonia: have a nice life
[12:17] <happy_hacker> you're on ignore for me ;)
[12:17] <ikonia> happy_hacker: I hardly ever use gentoo
[12:17] <mateothegreat> got the internet goin' nutz
[12:17] <mateothegreat> paul wall
[12:20] <konrados> restarting computer, hope it will survive, see you and thank you ducasse & VTCoder !
[12:28] <Irritiable> How do you make it so you can execute a bash script (*.sh file) by simply double clicking on it? Ubuntu 16.04 LTS; the file has been tagged as an executable. dconf editor does not seem to be working.
[12:28] <Irritiable> Nor is nautilus; https://askubuntu.com/questions/299052/how-to-execute-sh-script-from-a-desktop-shortcut
[12:28] <ikonia> Irritiable: what makes you think it's not executing
[12:29] <ikonia> Irritiable: what's the actual permissions on the file being called by the shortcut
[12:29] <TJ-> Irritiable: Is it opening in an editor rather than being executed?
[12:30] <Irritiable> TJ-: Yes.
[12:31] <Irritiable> I'm assuming Linux supports some form of "file association" based on "file extensions" (similar to that of Windows)?
[12:32] <Irritiable> The only common approach I see is to create a (in my eyes: duplicate) "desktop" file to which you run the script with... Seems redundant.
[12:32] <Irritiable> https://askubuntu.com/questions/465531/how-to-make-a-shell-file-execute-by-double-click
[12:32] <Irritiable> Yet it has 27 up-votes.
[12:33] <TJ-> Irritiable: right, usually it's down to a setting in the desktop environment and/or the application itself, based on how it handles MIME-types
[12:33] <Irritiable> "File Manager > Edit > Preferences > Behaviour forExecutable Text Files. In Ubuntu it is set to View Executable Files when they are opened"; currently on XFCE4 (I was using Unity earlier). I need to log off and try it.
[12:33] <ikonia> Irritiable: thats interesting, so it see's the .sh exension as a file to be edited
[12:34] <ikonia> Irritiable: if you put the shortcut /usr/bin/bash $path_to_exeuctable does that work ?
[12:34] <ikonia> so that the shortcut is executing bash with the script as a parameter ?
[12:34] <TJ-> ikonia: yes; I recall that behaviour changing  many years ago and being rather broken after, GUI not making it easy to set the default action or ignoring the setting
[12:35] <konrados> ducasse: VTCoder: ok, seems everything is fine after this big upgrade, thank you very much again!
[12:35] <ducasse> konrados: np, yw :)
[12:35] <Irritiable> TJ-: Would you know, off hand, which file is being edited so I can just nano-edit it via the terminal?
[12:36] <Irritiable> Currently installing Win7: Pro 64-bit on Virtualbox; can't switch from XFCE to Unity right now (I could just save the machine state but; I'd rather not).
[12:38] <ikonia> TJ-: I think the assocition problem has been around in one form or another for a long time,
[12:38] <ikonia> Irritiable: is this a shell script you've written yourself ?
[12:41] <Irritiable> https://askubuntu.com/questions/286621/how-do-i-run-executable-scripts-in-nautilus
[12:41] <Irritiable> 181 up-votes; I'll tinker with it in a minute.
[12:41] <ikonia> Irritiable: did you write the actual script ?
[12:41] <Irritiable> ikonia: Yes.
[12:42] <ikonia> Irritiable: does it have the shebang and is the actual script marked as executable by the user who you are trying to run it as on the file system
[12:43] <Irritiable> ikonia: Yes.
[12:44] <ikonia> what is the shebang set to
[12:44] <TJ-> Irritiable: I changed it to "Run Program..." but then it prompts for program arguments
[12:44] <TJ-> ikonia: it's no the shell script, it's the File Manager settings
[12:44] <ikonia> TJ-: no, I appreciate that, I'm just wondering if it's possible to call a shell and execute
[12:45] <TJ-> ikonia: it is supposed to be, and there are options in the list of available actions but it's confusing
[12:45] <ikonia> TJ-: I was also under the impression it was a desktop shortcut, not just clicking in the file manager
[12:47] <Irritiable> Under Linux: The desktop is just another file directory (folder), no?
[12:49] <howarth> what is the deal with the gnome menu widgets under Gnome?
[12:49] <TJ-> Irritiable: OK, on the shell-script itself I brought up the context menu > Properties > Open With > Other Application > Use a custom command = "/bin/bash" and checked 'use this for all files of this type'
[12:50] <howarth> On Ubuntu 16.04's Unity desktop, gnome-stable shows a chrome widget in the right hand side upper menu bar area
[12:50] <TJ-> Irritiable: at the top of the dialog where you have "Use a custom command" it says something like "this file and files of type shell script"
[12:50] <howarth> Under 17.x and Bionic's gnome desktop that one doesn't show up but Dropbox and others do.
[12:52] <Irritiable> TJ-: Thanks.
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> howarth: you mean the indicators at right upper corner?
[12:55] <howarth> Yes.
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> howarth: in gnome-tweak-tool you can enable/disable indicators addon on ubuntu 17.10 and higher but not all indicators show yet
[12:58] <howarth> Wonder if that makes it  a gnome or a chrome bug?
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> howarth: i dont think its a bug, just not indicators work as like on unity
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> *all
[13:01] <howarth> I was surprised to see that you could still install a unity desktop on bionic but it seems to have some issues.
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> howarth: i think that will be the plan, to still be able to run unity on 18.04
[13:02] <howarth> Like not always moving the menu bars to the top of the screen and sometimes reporting the name of the running app as unkown
[13:02] <howarth> so I assume they yanked enough of the unity hacks out of the OS that it might not really run as well as on 16.10
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> howarth: ive tested qbittorrent and indicator shows there
[13:03] <howarth> The only reason I am interested is that I thought the app indicator had a feature to autolaunch chrome in it.
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> howarth: you want a quick chrome experience?
[13:04] <howarth> I am also puzzled by the visual gap between the app indicators for Dropbox, etc and the wireless app indicator
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> howarth: yeah the gap could be seen as a bug i think
[13:05] <TJ-> Irritiable: interestingly, that operation creates a .desktop file in $HOME/.local/share/applications/<name>-<RANDOM>.desktop ... but the contents don't include a MIME-type mapping to the shell script so there must be some other link between a target file's 'magic' (the shebang line) and this .desktop entry
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> howarth: just tested with qbittorrent, its the same gap
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> howarth: im using chromium-browser with preload on bottom dock
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> pretty responsive
[13:08] <howarth> Unless I am mistaken, only the Google-branded chrome has the full integration with their password system, etc, right?
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> howarth: you mean with google services sync?
[13:11] <howarth> more of the issue where it autofills your passwords across machines for the same account
[13:12] <howarth> so if you have multiple associated gmail accounts, once you login under the first one, the additional ones always autofill the passwords
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> howarth: chromium handles autofill too
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> howarth: you could test it out for yourself perhaps?
[13:13] <howarth> I'll have to try it again. Last time I did, I seem to recall a different behavior
[13:14] <howarth> and I thought that Chromium was missing some non-free tech
[13:14] <MonkeyDust> I use chromium inside a firejail sandbox
[13:16] <howarth> How well does that plays with stuff like Google Hangout that want to access to the mic and camera?
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> howarth: sudo apt install chromium-browser
[13:17] <howarth> Can you run google-chrome-stable under firejail? I don't see it listed on their web site.
[13:18] <Irritiable> Lol! "firejail"
[13:18] <za1b1tsu> Can apt be wrong about some packages that are no longer required? For example I have qutebrowser installed and apt says libwebkitgtk-1.0-common python3-pafy is no longer require and that I should run autoremove?
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: if your system says its gonna remove something, its needed..but what apt doenst know is how a user messed up his system with ppa's
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: did you add external ppa's of any kind?
[13:20] <MonkeyDust> Irritiable  firejail is a handy safety layer
[13:21] <za1b1tsu> lotuspsychje, yeah, many. But how am I suppose to install stuff that is not in the offical repository otherwise?
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: we reccomend installing only packages from the official repos
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: there are so many choices, snaps,backports,alternatives available
[13:22] <pagios> anyone tried the samsung gear 360 on linux?
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> pagios: this is not the linux channel, only ubuntu support here mate
[13:22] <pagios> ubuntu us linux!
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> pagios: ok and do you have an ubuntu support problem?
[13:23] <pagios> anyone tried the samsung gear 360 on ubuntu?
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> pagios: we dont take polls neither, how about you try to install ubuntu on your device?
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> pagios: gear is that the samsung watch?
[13:25] <pagios> the cam
[13:25] <za1b1tsu> lotuspsychje, sorry, noob question, so if I see an application I like and has installation instructions only for a repository, I should not install it?
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> pagios: wich Os does it have now?
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: the way we reccomend is if you need a package, search software centre of apt-cache search first
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: or sudo snap find your-keyword
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: external ppa's often scramble the ubuntu system into dependecy hell
[13:28] <kostkon> za1b1tsu, try using only official project ppas or repos that usually only contain/offer their app and in just one package, like many do
[13:29] <kostkon> za1b1tsu, do not use random 3rd party ppas or repos
[13:31] <za1b1tsu> I see, well I learn as I go, someday I will probably need to start fresh install
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | za1b1tsu or clean your system
[13:34] <za1b1tsu> lotuspsychje, but apps that like I like, like for example qutebrowser, will be broken or uninstalled, correct?
[13:34] <za1b1tsu> *that I like
[13:35] <skupra> Najbolji sajt na ovim prostorima: https://skupra.org/
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> skupra: no ads here please
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: removing ppa's result to purge their packages yes
[13:38] <ioria> !info qutebrowser bionic
[13:40] <kostkon> za1b1tsu, which Ubuntu release are you on
[13:40] <za1b1tsu> ubuntu 16.04 xenial, Lubuntu
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: links2 is also a pretty cool lightweight browser, from our repos
[13:42] <za1b1tsu> what is is this bionic, xenial? So qutebrowser is supported in bionic and not in xenial?
[13:43] <ioria> yup
[13:43] <ioria> !bionic
[13:44] <za1b1tsu> so why are they split like this? what's the purpose?
[13:44] <ioria> new release, new software, more or less
[13:46] <za1b1tsu> but based on what they choose to include some packages in bionic and not in xenial? I dont remember during ubuntu installation being asked about xenial, bionic etc
[13:46] <za1b1tsu> !xenial
[13:46] <za1b1tsu> oh, wait
[13:46] <ioria> za1b1tsu,   cat /etc/issue
[13:48] <za1b1tsu> which one has the most software?
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> za1b1tsu: ubuntu 18.04 is still in development branch right now, final in april
[13:50] <zaibitsu> Ohh so every new releasa is called differently, like I cant install from bionic repo et
[13:50] <zaibitsu> etc
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> !backports | za1b1tsu an option
[13:51] <kungen> Testing, Hi!
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> !support | kungen welcome
[13:51] <kostkon> kungen, hi
[13:58] <howarth> fyi, they pushed the bionic beaver wallpaper out this morning
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> howarth: ubuntu+1 for 18.04 support please
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> howarth: #ubuntu+1 that is
[14:03] <pragomer> any help? using a logitech bluetooth mouse under 17.10 and the mouse moving are totally laggy. any ideas about issues?
[14:17] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Hi quick question is it possible in ubuntu to create a folder called htmlTemplates. Inside this folder i have two more one is CompleteList and another is Source Templates. What im looking at doing is creating shortcuts to the index.html files inside the completeList folder. So i can view them all quickly rather than browse through folders. Is this possible with ubuntu
[14:19] <MrCrackPotBuilde> or would it be better to create an List.html and use a local webpage to browse the examples ???
[14:24] <MonkeyDust> MrCrackPotBuilde  you can create links from within each separate folder, to one folder, all collected
[14:25] <MrCrackPotBuilde> that sounds perfect and exactlyy what im looking for MonkeyDust
[14:25] <MonkeyDust> MrCrackPotBuilde  you can do it with ln -s or with nautilus file manager
[14:25] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Can i rename each one ?? so i dont just have hundreds of index.html
[14:26] <MonkeyDust> MrCrackPotBuilde  you can rename the link names
[14:26] <MrCrackPotBuilde> with ln -s im guessing id create something like redchilli.html  and then ln -s redchili.html /WebTemplates/redchilli/index.html
[14:27] <MrCrackPotBuilde> wow thats going to take a long as time for over 200 templates
[14:27] <MonkeyDust> MrCrackPotBuilde  ln -s creates a symbolic link
[14:27] <MrCrackPotBuilde> wish id started this when i began
[14:28] <MrCrackPotBuilde> symbolic link is just it acts and does everything the orginal does regardless of name ??
[14:28] <MonkeyDust> MrCrackPotBuilde  yes
[14:28] <MrCrackPotBuilde> brilliant
[14:28] <MrCrackPotBuilde> now can i script it
[14:28] <MrCrackPotBuilde> hahaha
[14:28] <MrCrackPotBuilde> automate the process
[14:28] <MrCrackPotBuilde> because im a bit ocd
[14:29] <thoidingjam> hi
[14:29] <MrCrackPotBuilde> every index.html file im after is inside its own folder with all source as mentioned
[14:30] <MrCrackPotBuilde> so could i scrap the folders for all the index.html files then have it call the new symbolic link the same name as the parent folder ???
[14:37] <darkdrgn2k3> hi all
[14:37] <darkdrgn2k3> what is network-manager's role on ubuntu...
[14:37] <darkdrgn2k3> ie: if i dont have a gui can i get rid of it .. but wil /etc/network/interfaces still work
[14:40] <MrCrackPotBuilde> darkdragon depends
[14:41] <MrCrackPotBuilde> for some weird reason on my pi i had this issue but could still use the bluetooth device
[14:42] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i know you have both though as my server has a startx option but i dont use it but i still manage all interfaces by gui
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> !networkmanager
[14:45] <darkdrgn2k3> i dont have X its a server
[14:45] <darkdrgn2k3> i dont really care about wireless client
[14:49] <pragmaticenigma> darkdrgn2k3, I think the info is a little out of date. However, in the upcoming release ifupdown is being removed in favor of Netplan. In either case, NetworkManager is responsible for enabling the seemless transition between network connection. Far as I can tell, removing it means if any connection goes down, it won't automatically roll over to an active one.
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> darkdrgn2k3, my recommendation is test it on a different, non-important system and find out
[14:51] <droma> \exit
[14:53] <heckfy> привет всем! Кто-нибудь русскоговорящий есть здесь?)
[14:57] <messashmit> msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER messashmit swlrmyzqlor
[14:57] <rommel> heh
[14:58] <messashmit>  what the
[14:59] <messashmit> now i go to change everything.
[14:59] <messashmit> terrible
[15:00] <messashmit> sorry. My k/b/mouse are trash.
[15:00] <messashmit> later.
[15:00] <darkdrgn2k3> pragmaticenigma, i guess my question is will it bring up eth0 on boot without it
[15:00] <doge-doge> youtubeTV won't play in chromium unless chrome is installed?
[15:00] <doge-doge> is anyone here a youtubeTV subscriber?
[15:00] <darkdrgn2k3> (i have a driver that causes it to hang with simple commands like iw dev)
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> messashmit, might want to have your client auto register your nick when you connect to the server. check your IRC clients settings, most have a way to configure auto register
[15:03] <tomreyn> s/auto register/auto identify/
[15:04] <messashmit> thanks pragmaticenigma
[15:04] <skinux> How do I shut down iptables to see if that solves connection refused problem?
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> darkdrgn2k3, I'm not sure, that's why I suggested a different machine or VN to find out. In theory, NetworkManager is just that, a manager. Aside from an interface, it also makes it easy to automate failover, connection to VPNs, etc. But to my knowledge it does so using the later below it to do that.
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> s/VN/VM/
[15:04] <EriC^> skinux: flush the tables, sudo iptables -F
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> s/later/layer/
[15:05] <messashmit> going to fix this schmit right now.
[15:05] <EriC^> skinux: also sudo iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT   for the INPUT OUTPUT and FORWARD policies
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> doge-doge, Youtube should work in Chromium, however, Chromium does not contain any proprietary format or DRM support. YoutubeTV is a subscription service that requires DRM
[15:06] <doge-doge> um, it's working in chromium
[15:06] <doge-doge> the weird thing is that the chrome.deb needs to be installed first
[15:07] <doge-doge> s/chrome.deb/the chrome deb file from google's site
[15:07] <doge-doge> it's also working in firefox too
[15:07] <skinux> OUTPUT is invalid
[15:07] <doge-doge> 480p max resolution in all browsers though
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> doge-doge, that is because chrome.deb installs the DRM and propriatary pieces. Linux works by installing applications in a way that allows them to share resources, libraries and other supporting pieces. By installing chrome, those propritary adn DRM pieces were installed in a shared area that Chromium can access
[15:08] <doge-doge> google claims it can't verify HDCP in linux that's why only 480p
[15:09] <doge-doge> oh well, let's hope a cheapish smart tv can play it in higher resolution
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> doge-doge, HDCP is a encryption technology that verifies a secure connection between the application and the display showing the content.
[15:10] <tomreyn> https://lwn.net/Articles/740916/
[15:11] <doge-doge> can't you bypass hdcp with a beefy capture card anyway? like what's the point
[15:12] <jj27> Hi guys. Fairly new to linux, so bear with me.  I installed 16.04 server w/o desktop and told it to use LVM with 40GB of space out of my 120GB SSD.  df -h shows the correct space in use, but looking at parted it created 3 partitions, boot, extended, and a logical LVM, but the extended and LVM space is extended all the way out to the end of the drive.  I was hoping to use the 80GB of free space for other things.  What can I do?
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> doge-doge, depending on your jurisdiction, breaking HDCP to copy media is illegal, specifically the united states.
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> jj27 can you post the output of df -h and parted to pastebin? then post the pastebin link here?
[15:16] <doge-doge> well, all I really wanted is to watch "soccer" in 1080p, so I think getting a smart tv is more preferable than installing Windows
[15:16] <skinux> EriC^: I don't know how to do those commands, you'll have to give them to me explicitly.
[15:16] <messashmit> well, now everyone knows the machine i just installed ubuntu on has a lame driver for touchpad/mouse buttons.
[15:17] <MrCrackPotBuilde> MonkeyDust the symbolic link didnt work it opens the webpage bu doesnt load the assets
[15:17] <jj27> pragmaticenigma: thanks. here's the pastebin - https://pastebin.com/dYwEeBDM
[15:21] <BillD73> jj27: personal preference to paste   <commands> | pastebinit in term, url will be returned when complete. it uses https://paste.ubuntu.com/ which is add free
[15:21] <messashmit> i just installed this solid state drive in this laptop, the original hard drive was, seagate (would have made a better coaster, than hdd). I spent a couple hours on hammering the install out on this machine.
[15:22] <jj27> BillD73: noted - i'll use that instead. Thanks :) I didn't read the MOTD so I apologize.
[15:23] <BillD73> jj27: no need to apologize jsut passing along the info
[15:24] <messashmit> I didn't have any errors but the touchpad driver is for schmit. What question i have is UEFI-GPT really the wrong way to have installed onto the ssd.
[15:24] <jj27> pragmaticenigma: here's a cleaner version:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mZRRNGz7mm/
[15:25] <messashmit> i have 3 intel ssd 1 toshiba ssd. bought them in 2014
[15:26] <doge-doge> hey btw I have another quick question, is doing a clean reinstall install to a ssd easier than trying to migrate all data over from a hdd?
[15:26] <rommel> messashmit, all of mine are uefi and gpt
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> jj27, you are correct that your LVM partition took over the entire drive. I know that LVM's can be resized after they have been created, though I'm not familiar with how to do it
[15:27] <doge-doge> I'm assuming a luks lvm is a bit of a nightmare to resize...
[15:27] <OnkelTem_> Hi all
[15:27] <rommel> i have 4 linux a bsd and win10 on various ssd's all using uefi
[15:28] <OnkelTem_> Does anybody know why Linux is so unstable when it comes to memory usage? I have to hard-restart my computer every time it runs out of RAM?
[15:28] <doge-doge> resize the swap partition
[15:29] <OnkelTem_> It doesn't spare some space at least to allow for root tty?
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> doge-doge, LUKS + LVM seraches have shown it is possible, but very difficult
[15:29] <OnkelTem_> doge-doge: I don't use any. And it didn't create one for itself
[15:29] <OnkelTem_> But why it need to be THAT stupid to just eat all the RAM?
[15:30] <skinux> Wait. If iptables is running, shouldn't service be able to shut it down?
[15:30] <OnkelTem_> and not allowing to FIX this situation
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem_, how are you determining you are out of ram?
[15:30] <BillD73> jj27: https://askubuntu.com/questions/196125/how-can-i-resize-an-lvm-partition-i-e-physical-volume https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-enterprise-47/shrink-lvm-without-dataloss-557746/
[15:30] <OnkelTem_> pragmaticenigma: I can't think about any other reason. Whenever I do manage to run top, I see that there is no RAM. This happens sometime that I can really do it, but rarely
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem_, what value in TOP are you referencing?
[15:31] <rommel> OnkelTem_, its someting in your system
[15:31] <hummingbird> search The Story of an African Farm
[15:32] <bob101> anyone know the correct syntax for using hydra when you only have apassword field ?
[15:32] <OnkelTem> rommel: what do you mean something? Somethings wrong with at least 3-4 versions of Ubuntu and two different computers? I doubt
[15:32] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, what value in TOP are you referencing?
[15:32] <hummingbird> @search The Story of an African Farm
[15:33] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: I have 16GBs of RAM, there I see that it's exhausted. When I manage to use the root tty, I just kill chrome or phpstorm or whatever and it's fixed, always
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, You still haven't answered my question.
[15:33] <OnkelTem> For 6 years so far
[15:33] <messashmit> i have 5 laptops, should i re-install in bios mode instead since all the noise about swapfile grinding down ssd performance over time. I have 8 GB of ram in this laptop.
[15:33] <messashmit> Get more ram.
[15:33] <messashmit> If you have a an old HDD or a HDD that is jammed up with files/or other filesystem, it can lag. Is your swapfile (at least 2 - 4 GB) stoopkid.
[15:33] <rommel> OnkelTem, having no issue with half a dozen systems i would still say it is something in your system and or its configuration. so what are you running , ie version flavor of ubuntu and on what hardware
[15:34] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: what do you mean what value?
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, what value in TOP are you looking at to determine that you are out of RAM
[15:34] <jj27> BillD73: Thanks. Reading through that article. It won't let me umount my lvm root partition. Might have to liveCD it.
[15:35] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: I like to run htop actually, I know it takes more RAM for itself. THere ie MEM progressbar, and the green color on it means USAGE
[15:35] <BillD73> jj27: that was what I gathered
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, now that I know what you are looking at, i can explain better
[15:35] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: ok
[15:36] <OnkelTem> rommel: maybe, maybe. I wish to know for sure. But I have no means to know it. What's so unlucky do I have with all ubuntus and all computers
[15:36] <messashmit> You might need to review your fstab, see what's going down in there. Hard restarting frequently sounds like some hardware is ready for the scrap heap.
[15:38] <OnkelTem> rommel: first, the mouse cursor begins laggy, and if I miss this moment - it's all failed. But sometimes when I quick and lucky enough I just switch to tty1 and kill the process (the because it's chrome 90% of time)
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, that is normal operation of your machine to see that bar fully utilized. I have 16GB and mine is also maxed out. Linux displays memory usage different than say Windows, but it is managed in the same way. When an application runs, it tells the kernel that it would like to reserve 500 MB of RAM. It won't actually use that, but that's what it requests. When the kernel determines it needs more RAM, it will ask the
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> application to return some of that. What you are seeing is all the applications, in total, and the amount of actively utilized ram and reserved ram. when you close a program, it returns all of it's ram to the pool.
[15:39] <messashmit> Check the integrity of your RAM (physical RAM), make sure it's seated properly, even.
[15:39] <messashmit> You watching movies or doing something RAM intensive on that laptop.
[15:39] <skinux> iptables cannot be shut down using service or systemctl, doesn't this mean it's not running?
[15:39] <messashmit> Onkel?
[15:39] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: that's not the case. I told it's green color, it's what REALLY used
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, if you actually maxed out all the RAM, without a swap file, your computer would crash. with a swap file, you would see your hard disk activity jump way up
[15:39] <OnkelTem> not file buffers or something
[15:40] <rommel> OnkelTem, try another distro, see if it behaves differently.. i am running solus3 on this macbook-pro and it is very fast and stable
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> rommel, that won't make any different
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> difference*
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, Yes, but what does the line below it for the Swp say??
[15:41] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: and that's what I say: it crashes / hangs because it's exhausting all the RAM not sparing a pair of megabytes for "recovery"
[15:41] <rommel> pragmaticenigma, well in terms of kernel configurations and drivers it might..
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, Chrome is one of the most memory hungry programs, especially if you open a ton of tabs. I'm not familiar with phpstorm
[15:42] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: that's griddy but no that much. 1.5-2Gbs usualle
[15:42] <OnkelTem> And with Chrome I agree
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> rommel, pretty much all distros use similar configurations to the kernel. When it comes to memory management, they are all the same as that is a core piece of the kernel. customizations are usually in driver support
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, you aren't by chance running 17.10 or 18.04 are you?
[15:44] <rommel> pragmaticenigma, possibly but solus is faster at loading as was kde neon then ubuntu on this laptop and gentoo since i configure the kernel is always faster then a canned one
[15:45] <messashmit> Yep, pragmaticenigma. Windows has a workaround for the swap to be governed and delegated in moderation (you can untick Let Windows handle the swap.)
[15:45] <rommel> i do not think all distros use identical configurations but i could be wrong
[15:46] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: 17.10, Kubuntu yeah. But the issue was the same on 16 and 14 I believe
[15:46] <OnkelTem> And on 17.04 too for sure
[15:47] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, okay, for future reference please lead with the Spin that you are using. I assumed you were under Ubuntu. Ubuntu 17.10 and 18.04 use gnome and gnome has a massive memory leak.
[15:48] <messashmit> Its not a hat trick, Takes knowledge of sys and apps, the linux kernel is no "flying toaster". It needs RAM and GNOME and Unity aren't making it a lighter load.
[15:49] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: ah, I see. Ok. As for gnome... as for my old love... and betrayed one, don't even remind me! (crying to the heart)
[15:50] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, as for Kubuntu, plasmashell has been known to chew through memory too, especially with widgets running
[15:50] <messashmit> Still think the dynamics and potential is great. Yep, i figured he had to be roadtesting 17.10.
[15:51] <pragmaticenigma> OnkelTem, beyond that, I really don't know what else could chew through all your ram beyond the typical Chrome loves ram (and web developers write crappy JavaScript that chews up even more)
[15:52] <skinux> AM I asking a dumb question?
[15:52] <OnkelTem> Yes, I know that. But I just think about a sort of jail for some untouchable space, i.e. which cannot be used by anything except of root for example. There bascially must be such a thing. Also some space for incoming ssh session maybe with some basic shell
[15:52] <messashmit> The internal periphery get nice and toasty, too
[15:52] <messashmit> @!# spell check! Peripherals.
[15:53] <OnkelTem> pragmaticenigma: exactly to correct some issues
[15:53] <messashmit> LOL!! pragmaticenigma..they are encouraged to write crap at high speeds even.
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> messashmit, please watch the language... even obfuscations. This is meant to be an inclusive channel
[15:54] <messashmit> Meet that deadline! Gotta meet that deadline and get the stuff out there.
[15:55] <messashmit> A playpen for RAM!! THis i gotta see.
[15:55] <pragmaticenigma> messashmit, do you have a support question? feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics, the guidelines are the same for all #ubuntu related channels
[15:56] <messashmit> There are apps for windows that regulate how much swap gets alloted but not quite jail.
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> messashmit, do you have a support question? feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics, the guidelines are the same for all #ubuntu related channels
[16:00] <messashmit> yes, i have a question.
[16:00] <messashmit> i'm patient.
[16:01] <messashmit> Can i run python code via Xubuntu.
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> messashmit, you can run Python on all Ubuntu derivatives. Python is installed by default on all derivatives as many of the system supporting tools use Python
[16:04] <messashmit> thanks, pragmaticenigma.
[16:04] <messashmit> i just wanted to get a RL down to earth explanation. Thanks.
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> messashmit, Python 2 is no longer installed by default in 18.04, Python 3 will become the default Python environment, though you can still install Python 2.x from the package manager
[16:06] <TJ-> OnkelTem: it sounds like your underlying issue is the kernel's memory overcommit value is too high; reducing that may help a lot
[16:06] <messashmit> Just saw a little piece about that at sourceforge while u were finishing up with Onkel.
[16:06] <messashmit> Well won't bend your ear.
[16:07] <messashmit> You have people to tend.
[16:07] <messashmit> Later
[16:09] <TJ-> OnkelTem: this is a good read on the subject with some pointers https://serverfault.com/questions/362589/effects-of-configuring-vm-overcommit-memory#362625
[16:19] <tomreyn> jj27: were you able to solve the LVM / disk allocation issue?
[16:20] <jj27> tomreyn: Not yet.  I have a plan in place, just trying to finish up this work so I can go play a little bit.  I'm going to boot into gParted and resize the LVM there. It's a fresh install, so I'm not too worried about having to re-install.
[16:21] <tomreyn> this sounds like a good approach to take.
[16:23] <jj27> thanks
[16:23] <TJ-> resizing an LVM? is that the PV, the VG, or an LV?
[16:25] <jj27> TJ-: All greek to me. Probably the LV.
[16:25] <jj27> Needing to go from 120GB -> 40GB
[16:27] <TJ-> jj27: the way LVM works is you have the raw block device (maybe a partition) e.g. /dev/sda2 which is marked as a Physical Volume (PV). ! or more PVs are used to create a Volume Group (VG), from where multiple Logical Volumes (LVs) can be created. LVs (which are block devices) are formatted with file-systems and mounted
[16:27] <MagePsycho_> Do we have any good free cpanel for ubuntu server?
[16:28] <jj27> TJ-: Here's the current setup and allocation.   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mZRRNGz7mm/
[16:28] <TJ-> jj27: resizing LVs uses the lvresize command; to resize the underlying PVs pvresize
[16:28] <jj27> I can't do anything with the system booted, because it won't let me umount /dev/nas-vg/root
[16:28] <TJ-> jj27: what do you want to achieve?
[16:29] <jj27> I want to shrink to 40GB, so I can use the other space to create a partition, ultimately, for SLOG for ZFS.
[16:29] <jj27> Not all of the free space, but 4G or so, then whatever else i want in the future on remaining space.
[16:30] <TJ-> jj27: OK, so you would need to 'pvresize' so the PV in /dev/sda5 doesn't use the entire partition, then shrink sda5 to the same size as the PV, which would leave free-space that can be partitioned
[16:31] <jj27> Ok, Ill try that.
[16:31] <jj27> Thank you
[16:31] <TJ-> jj27: but does the system only have 1 disk drive?
[16:33] <jj27> TJ-: One SSD for the OS / SLOG, but I have 8x2TB that I will be using for my ZFS raidz2 pool.
[16:33] <TJ-> jj27: right, so you want the SLOG on sda for the other drives in the zpool?
[16:33] <jj27> Correct.
[16:34] <TJ-> jj27: in which case there's no need to mess with partitioning - you could just create a new LV for the SLOG in your VG nas-vg
[16:34] <jj27> oh, well that's pretty handy then. I'll google the syntax on that one. Thanks for the tip.
[16:35] <TJ-> jj27: it looks like you've only allocated 40GB of nas-vg but it is about 119GB so that'd be simple to do
[16:35] <jj27> TJ-: Yup, that was my intention on install. This LVM stuff is new to me. I figured it would just do one partition of 40GB for the OS and leave the free space, but it consumed it all with the LVM :)
[16:36] <TJ-> jj27: "sudo lvreate -n zfs-SLOG -L 8G vg-nas" (set the size - 8G == 8GB) as appropriate
[16:36] <OnkelTem> TJ-: thank you very much, I'll read it
[16:36] <TJ-> jj27: if you do "sudo vgdisplay" you'll see the amount of free extents (space) in the VG
[16:36] <TJ-> arrrgh, typo above too!
[16:37] <TJ-> jj27: "sudo lvcreate -n zfs-SLOG -L 8G vg-nas"  (lvCreate not lvreate)
[16:37] <Guest57> Hello. A bash script run via a .service file is not working with GNOME keyring. How can I fix the error?
[16:39] <jj27> TJ-: Great, thank you! I will let you know how it goes.
[16:40] <TJ-> jj27: the new LV block device when created will be /dev/mapper/vg--nas-zfs--SLOG and have a link /dev/vg-nas/zfs-SLOG (might be a good idea not to use hyphes in the naming to avoid the '--' being required . That's due to the /dev/mapper/<VG>-<LV> naming scheme
[16:45] <jj27> TJ-: ty. ill modify name when i get time to create it.
[17:08] <toni> hola
[17:10] <tomreyn> is zfs on top of an lvm2 lv a good idea though? i have no first hand experience, assumed zfs prefers to work directly on partitions if not drives
[17:11] <jj27> TJ-: Thanks, worked like a champ. Then I "zpool add nas-pool log /dev/nas-vg/zfs_slog"
[17:11] <jj27> I see my logs.
[17:16] <SethT> ive accidently ran out of space in my ubuntu drive, while trying to rsync my data from my current ssd to a new ssd. i've booted into the ubuntu installer and went to the partition management, and adjusted the space in my current (full) ssd from 80gb to 90gb, but its taken almost 2 hours and still says its working on it. is this a lot of time, how long would i expect for it to take before giving up ?
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho_, Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors.
[17:18] <MagePsycho_> but what are the available ones
[17:20] <skinux> If iptables cannot be shut down by service or systemctl commands, does this mean the firewall isn't running?
[17:20] <Lfour> Hi, anyone around I technically have an ubuntu question... although its more related to iptables and the like.
[17:21] <Lfour> Although it seems someone is already asking stuff.
[17:21] <Kumool> is there a way to bind a directory to a directory?
[17:23] <mateothegreat> Lfour: what's on your mind
[17:24] <mateothegreat> Kumool: Like a symbolic link? `ln -s srcdir newdir` ?
[17:25] <Lfour> I've got a server running on a virtual machine for google cloud, I can't connect to it remotely via telnet but I can ping it. I can however from the server connect to myself via telnet and it works fine. Do I need to port foward the external ip to the internal one?
[17:25] <Kumool> mateothegreat, like that but everything in the directory appears in the other one
[17:26] <Kumool> a union
[17:26] <mateothegreat> Lfour: do you have an external ip address assigned to that vm?
[17:26] <Lfour> yes
[17:26] <mateothegreat> Lfour: have you created firewall rules within the vm itself (and of course, in the network settings of the console)
[17:29] <Lfour> The network settings of the console? I'm hosting on google cloud, reading though this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21065922/how-to-open-a-specific-port-such-as-9090-in-google-compute-engine
[17:29] <mateothegreat> You have two places you have to configure firewall related settings.
[17:30] <mateothegreat> #1 is in the "google cloud console": https://console.cloud.google.com/networking/firewalls/list
[17:30] <mateothegreat> #2 is in the VM itself via iptables
[17:30] <mateothegreat> you need to create permit rules in the console.. this is at the vpc level
[17:31] <mateothegreat> on your vm, you need to either add the rule(s) to allow the port(s) you're wanting to access remotely or just clear the firewall (temporarily) with `iptables --flush`
[17:32] <mateothegreat> Then use nmap to test your connectivity. Something like `nmap -Pn -p22 <your external ip>`
[17:34] <Lfour> Yay! Finally got it, I had to allow everything through the GCP firewall, now I just need to configure it properly. Thanks for the help
[17:35] <mateothegreat> awesome
[17:39] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho_, i don't know what's available in the package repository, however, I would think if they were there, they would get installed when you installed the service meta package.
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho_, I'll rephrase, There might be some available in the package repository. However, I have not used them, as I prefer to update the configuations manually. I have found management tools enable more features than I want or make assumptions I do not care for.
[17:41] <TJ-> tomreyn: ZFS on LV won't make much difference, the kernel's device-mapper drivers will directly map the writes to the underlying device - LVM isn't a file system, it's just an alternative wy of partitioning devices that can add things like RAID as well (in the device-mapper layer)
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho_, or another way to say it... there is no all-in-one configuration tool for managing Ubuntu Server
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho_, at least not one supported by Ubuntu
[17:43] <TJ-> MagePsycho_: pragmaticenigma Canonical provides 'Landscape' for such things... I believe it's free for a few servers but requires Ubuntu Advantage subscription for 10 or more
[17:43] <TJ-> !landscape
[17:44] <MagePsycho_> what about Ansible? pragmaticenigma
[17:47] <TJ-> MagePsycho_: do you want to orchestrate multiple systems ?
[17:51] <tomreyn> TJ-: about zfs: right, i'm not worried about LVM doing anything wrong there, more about zfs making incorrect assumptions and breaking as a result. but i guess this can be fine.
[17:51] <TJ-> tomreyn: no, as far as ZFS is concerned it just sees a standard block-device
[17:52] <TJ-> it could be a remote iSCSI device or something local
[17:53] <mojtaba> Hello, Do you know how can I terminate a command, if the size of the directory is a specific amount? I am backing up a system on a HDD, and I want to exit rsync when the directory size is e.g. 100G.
[17:54] <TJ-> mojtaba: rsync has the --maz-size option but that is per-file
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba, TJ- --max-size option ... and it is per file... mojtaba take a look at the documenation for rsync "man rsync" you might find something in there to help you
[17:56] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: TJ-: Thanks.
[17:56] <pragmaticenigma> MagePsycho_, perhaps it would help to know what you are trying to accomplish. Recommending a tool set without such knowledge is very difficult
[17:58] <mojtaba> Actually I put rsync inside while loop, I want to break the loop, based on this conditions: (rsync || directory_size) && break
[17:58] <MagePsycho_> I want to have one-click application setup (mysql, php, letsencrypt, failtoban etc.) in Ubuntu server (DigitialOcean, Linode, AWS VPS cloud servers)
[17:59] <ikonia> just make an image if you want it to be deployed
[17:59] <ikonia> or use a config management tool like ansible, puppet, chef to setup the same thing each time but with parameter variation
[17:59] <ikonia> or at worst, a basic shell script passed into your user provider userdata
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba, you wouldn't want to run in a loop, as each loop would continue to spawn a new process
[18:00] <TJ-> mojtaba: There's another, two-step, way you could do it. 2nd step is to run rsync with the dir-merge filter set. 1st step is to use 'du' and some shell scripting (or find  . -type d -size ..) to identify directories larger than the MAX and have them write the rsync dir-merge filter file into that directory with an 'exclude *' rule to not touch any of the files there
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba, a script that launches rsync and records the process id, then runs a loop with a delay to monitor the directory is possible. when the directory reaches it's max size the loop exists and kills the process
[18:03] <JPSman> Hey everyone.  I have a "white shadow" on the popups for the gnome menu.  I have a link to imgur showing what I am talking about, can I paste imgur links here?
[18:03] <kostkon> JPSman, yep
[18:03] <JPSman> https://i.imgur.com/tQZ0e6Z.jpg
[18:04] <GizmoRomick> I am trying to use the Glassified theme with Obsidian Coast in the colors settings.  Everything works great, except the lock screen colors look terrible (white text on gray background).  I am using Plasma 5 on Ubuntu 16.04.  Can anyone point me in the right direction to change the colors without affecting the rest of the theme?
[18:04] <JPSman> its not a critical problem, but I am curious as to how to fix it.  I have 16.04 and am using gnome flashback
[18:05] <JPSman> I wouldn't even know what to call it so that I can google it better either
[18:05] <MagePsycho_> ikonia: Yeah, decided to use Ansible configuration management tool for provisioning the server
[18:06] <kostkon> JPSman, could be a theming problem. have you tried a different theme to see if it still happens
[18:07] <mojtaba> pragmaticenigma: Instead of killing process, can I have something like (rsync || directory_size) && break?
[18:07] <JPSman> kostkon, where can I change the theme?
[18:08] <JPSman> Also, some of my windows don't have a border which which I can resize them.  For instance, this xchat IRC window has a border with a shadow, but gedit and a few others don't.  Using compiz
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> mojtaba, no, that will not work
[18:10] <kostkon> JPSman, you could try with gnome-twea
[18:10] <kostkon> gnome-tweak*
[18:10] <thebest> Hello
[18:11] <kostkon> JPSman, could also be a problem with the compositor. try changing to a different one, if that is possible and see if that will make a difference
[18:12] <kostkon> JPSman, compiz = compositor
[18:12] <JPSman> kostkon, what is the compositor?  Also, what is the name of the package / program for gnome-tweak?
[18:12] <JPSman> O I C
[18:12] <JPSman> I've only ever used compiz, what other compositors are there?
[18:12] <kostkon> JPSman, no idea. does gnome-classic offer you a list to choose from
[18:14] <JPSman> kostkon, yeah the gnome-tweak-tool lets me set the GTK+ theme to Adwaita, which bring back the border for gedit - but I DETEST the color scheme :OP
[18:15] <JPSman> kostkon, it also removes that white shadow that I first asked about - but again, hate the color.
[18:15] <JPSman> again its not critical, i was just curious.  I appreciate the help you've given kostkon
[18:15] <kostkon> JPSman, well there are a myriad of theme you can select from on 3rd party sites like gnome-look.org and mentions, info on blogs like omgubuntu.co.uk etc.
[18:15] <kostkon> themes*
[18:21] <JPSman> kostkon, that ubuntu-tweak-tool has a setting to show the time's seconds - I have it checked but my clock still doesn't show the seconds.  My system is borken :O(
[18:22] <kostkon> JPSman, not necessarily
[18:23] <TJ-> JPSman: Compositors: KDE = KWin, Gnome 3 = mutter
[18:23] <kostkon> JPSman, could be that your clock panel applet does not support that feature.
[18:24] <JPSman> hmmmm, where can I try out different applets?
[18:25] <JPSman> hey yeah, I didn't have clock up there - but its part of the indicator applet - how can I modify the indicator applet?
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> JPSman, are you using UNity? right click on the clock, go to Time & Date settings, click on the second tab
[18:28] <JPSman> pragmaticenigma, I'm not using unity - I'm using gnome-flashback (I think)
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> JPSman, oh, okay... it might be the same
[18:30] <ioria> JPSman, gnome flashback + compiz ?
[18:30] <JPSman> yeah, there is not "show seconds" option when I click on the indicator applet and click settings.  Funny enough, when I change the 24hour/am-pm option - it doesn't change the indicator applets clock - it changes the clock applets clock :|
[18:31] <JPSman> ioria, I believe so yes
[18:31] <ioria> JPSman, don't you have metacity ?
[18:31] <Zythyr> Can someone help me with this issue? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1013627/how-to-automatically-start-a-service-after-manually-decrypting-home-partition
[18:31] <JPSman> ioria .... I don't know, lemme check
[18:32] <JPSman> ioria, yeah I have metacity installed
[18:32] <ioria> JPSman, in the logins screen , i  mean
[18:32] <JPSman> i don't use that - I'll have to BRB to log out and check - BRB
[18:41] <sere> I have a external fvat drive mounted from fstab just fine but if the drive is not connected i cant boot w/ a check journal file system
[18:43] <ioria> sere, have you tried  nofail  ?
[18:43] <Doow> TJ- (or someone else that feels helpful =) ): Hi! I'm trying to boot a a computer as per your instructions about a week ago using acpi to detect a network card on a laptop/tablet that I have. But I'm having to success at all. I've tried a number of different versions of the windows string (Windows 2009/12/13/15 as per /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT).
[18:44] <Doow> I'm unsure where to progress from here
[18:44] <leftyfb> sere: try mounting it with noauto as a mount option
[18:44] <thehebs> sup
[18:44] <TJ-> Doow: hmmm, I vaguely recall that
[18:45] <oerheks> Doow, UEFI machine?  help me out, is this a 32 bit uefi ?
[18:45] <TJ-> Doow: remind us of the make/model of the tablet
[18:45] <leftyfb> sere: or maybe nofail is better
[18:45] <thehebs> leftyfb if i installed and started a nodejs app.... and it says its listening on localhost:3030, and i have the port added to ufw (and even disabled ufw to test), why wouldnt i be able to access it remotely with pubip
[18:45] <TJ-> Doow: this was one with Intel Atom wasn't it, where we can't see the network device in PCI or USB ?
[18:45] <thehebs> also, dunno if you remember, but this is St0ned from back in the day
[18:46] <Doow> oerheks: yes, 32 bit uefi, 64 bit cpu ( https://www.acer.com/datasheets/2017/4876/S1003/NT.LECED.003.html )
[18:46] <leftyfb> thehebs: did you confirm it's listening on that port with something like lsof?
[18:46] <Doow> TJ-: exactly
[18:46] <purple1> how doing uvesa mode with ubuntu?
[18:46] <leftyfb> thehebs: sudo lsof -i :3030
[18:46] <JPSman> ioria, so, I DO have metacity as an option, but when I login with it - nothing looks different
[18:46] <purple1> is it xorg config files?
[18:46] <JPSman> funny enough, if I login as guest, everything works perfectly fine :|
[18:46] <Doow> And I'm running from the "17.10 try ubuntu" usb
[18:47] <ioria> JPSman,  sy, was distracted! can you resume your issue ?
[18:47] <thehebs> leftyfb: lemme try
[18:47] <leftyfb> purple1: https://blog.samat.org/2010/11/09/High-resolution-text-console-with-uvesafb-and-Debian/
[18:48] <leftyfb> purple1: first result on google for "ubuntu uvesafb"
[18:48] <JPSman> ioria, I have a "white shadow" on the bubble popups for my menus, my date and time doesn't show seconds in the indicator applet, and gedit doesn't have a border for me to resize the window with.
[18:49] <ioria> JPSman,  ah
[18:49] <Doow> TJ-: Not a problem for me btw, but I found a typo in your guide, the line above "Testing" says acp_osi=! instead of acpi_osi=!. (at least I think it's a typo)
[18:50] <purple1> and for using irc is there a better chat
[18:50] <purple1> is xmpp more secure?
[18:50] <purple1> say using uvesa between a duo
[18:50] <leftyfb> purple1: xmapp isn't irc
[18:50] <ioria> JPSman,  when all of this start to happen ?
[18:50] <leftyfb> purple1: what does uvesafb have to do with irc or xmpp?
[18:51] <TJ-> Doow: I've found something I didn't last time - duckduckgo shows a summary for a page which now gives a 404 but the summary mentions something I thought might be the issue last time "brcmfmac43430-sdio" - so the device is on the SDIO bus not PCI directory, so I'm guessing there's an SDIO driver needed before you can 'see' the network device
[18:51] <leftyfb> purple1: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[18:51] <purple1> the security relies on the hid
[18:51] <purple1> screen is the main hid
[18:51] <JPSman> well, I just resently set up this computer, so ever since i've been using this
[18:51] <purple1> voyager 16 leftyfb
[18:51] <TJ-> Doow: that means our focus should be on identifying the SDIO controller and driver... with that, I suspect the network device will appear
[18:52] <leftyfb> purple1: derivatives of ubuntu are not supported here
[18:52] <purple1> looking at blog
[18:53] <Doow> TJ-: Ok, that sounds promising
[18:53] <purple1> can you check make sure kmodule is straight
[18:53] <purple1> uvesafb
[18:53] <TJ-> Doow: ooo! found the proper link http://nestorarocha.com/en/2017/11/18/acer-one-s1003.html
[18:53] <purple1> sourcecode
[18:53] <purple1> look like it adds mod into initram
[18:53] <leftyfb> purple1: derivatives of ubuntu are not supported here
[18:54] <purple1> ok you check the sourcecode out
[18:54] <sere> I have a external fvat drive mounted from fstab just fine but if the drive is not connected i cant boot w/ a check journal file system
[18:54] <purple1> possible switch into main ubuntu
[18:54] <ioria> JPSman,  i'd take a look  at ~/.xsession-errors
[18:54] <leftyfb> sere: you were given several answers to try out
[18:54] <purple1> what does 486d do?
[18:55] <purple1> v86d
[18:55] <sere> leftyfb: oh hmm it didnt show up.. ill scroll ty
[18:55] <Doow> TJ-: Seems he failed to get it to work, but at least it gives some more information.
[18:55] <JPSman> ioria, sure, here you go:
[18:55] <TJ-> Doow: precisely
[18:55] <ioria> not here, paste.ubuntu.com
[18:55] <JPSman> ioria (its a blank doctument :)
[18:56] <Doow> TJ-: and it confirms another thing I've seen when surfing that network card seems to be common on raspberry pis
[18:56] <TJ-> Doow: initial research indicates it's using the same wifi device as the RaspberryPi
[18:56] <TJ-> Doow: snap LoL
[18:57] <Doow> =D
[18:57] <TJ-> Doow: so now we know where to check on the driver (I have a raspi 3 here) and the settings
[18:58] <skinux> Can someone please tell me, if iptables is not found by service or systemctl, does that indeed mean the firewall isn't even running?
[18:59] <leftyfb> skinux: ubuntu has iptables installed by default. It's not a service though.
[18:59] <tomreyn> skinux: it means that iptables is not a service
[18:59] <TJ-> Doow: there's an SDIO bus and the driver is brcmfmac
[18:59] <oerheks>  sudo ufw status
[18:59] <TJ-> Doow: so now we need to figure out how to find/enable SDIO on that PC
[18:59] <oerheks> systemctl status ufw
[19:00] <ioria> JPSman,  ~/.xsession-errors.old    ?
[19:00] <JPSman> ioria, also blank :)
[19:01] <ioria> JPSman,  impossible
[19:01] <leftyfb> skinux: personally, I would learn iptables proper, including adding a post-up line to your interfaces file to load your ruleset and learning how to flush the rules if needed
[19:01] <JPSman> ioria, well, each one is 0 bytes so......
[19:02] <Doow> I need to hang some laundry, brb
[19:02] <fabricius> hello.
[19:02] <ioria> JPSman,  are you fully updated ?
[19:03] <JPSman> ioria, I'm using 16.04 if thats what you mean.  My packages are up to date.
[19:03] <fabricius> is anybody aware about the ubuntu - firefox - video problem? I cannot watch videos on firefox, cause this very browser depends on codecs or other stuff on the machine
[19:03] <ioria> JPSman,  sudo update && sudo full-upgrade
[19:03] <fabricius> using 14
[19:03] <ioria> JPSman,  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:04] <JPSman> ioria, that won't bring me up to 17.10 right?
[19:04] <ioria> JPSman,  nope
[19:04] <JPSman> ioria, k -- 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:05] <purple1> what's it do leftyfb
[19:05] <sere> leftyfb: i just added no fail as suggest and rebooting now.. for some reason i cant get passed grub without pulling out the drive and its not marked as bootable.
[19:05] <leftyfb> purple1: derivatives of ubuntu are not supported here
[19:05] <ioria> JPSman,  ok, so no logs, no updates .... what's your video card and driver in use ?
[19:06] <leftyfb> sere: try also nobootwait
[19:06] <JPSman> ioria, how can I find that out?  what command do I run?
[19:06] <purple1> leftyfb: where is the voyager tech then?
[19:06] <leftyfb> purple1: don't know. Contact them.
[19:06] <ioria> JPSman,  lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'
[19:07] <thebest> Does anybody know what happened to the last update of Zorin 12 OS? I cannot just log in in my account and work on it.
[19:07] <leftyfb> thebest: Zorun is not supported here
[19:07] <leftyfb> Zorin*
[19:07] <JPSman> ioria, sorry, accidental alt-f4
[19:07] <ioria> JPSman,  lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D'
[19:08] <purple1> leftyfb: does canonical support custom kernels if I were to install the base iso
[19:08] <leftyfb> purple1: negative
[19:08] <tomreyn> fabricius: there is no general problem with firefox that i'm aware of. it will be specific to your configuration or hardware.
[19:08] <JPSman> ioria, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV635/M86 [Mobility Radeon HD 3650]	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company RV635/M86 [Mobility Radeon HD 3650]	Kernel driver in use: radeon
[19:08] <thebest> leftyfb Thanks anyway bro
[19:10] <tomreyn> sere: maybe it's set as default boot device in your firmware (BIOS/UEFI) configuration utility?
[19:10] <ioria> JPSman,  well, or a theme issue (change it) or a bad install ...
[19:10] <TJ-> Doow: let's try bringing up the SDIO bus. Might need to try several things. I've been looking through the Linux source and comparing with an ArchLinux forum page that shows the lspci for your PC. Try this: "sudo modprobe spi-pxa2xx-pci" then do "dmesg | tail" see if it indicates the device was found. Also do "lspci -nn" to see if any SDIO-related device has appeared
[19:10] <purple1> most of the userspace things have been moved into kernel so for the most part there isn't much to support
[19:11] <purple1> somebody starring at an x server
[19:11] <sere> leftyfb: ok so the nofail worked but still have to remove it.. its been like that for the longest i thought i just marked it as boot but it doesnt look like it
[19:11] <leftyfb> purple1: Canonical will not support customer kernels. Nor will you find support for it here.
[19:12] <fabricius> HI tomreyn, I cannot view most videos including youtube videos from firefox due to some changes in Ubuntu 14 and due to the fact that specifically firefox needs stuff installed in the operating system that other browsers do not require ... has to do with html5: MSE & H.264 & WebM VP8
[19:13] <purple1> is this not canonical run channel leftyfb
[19:13] <loginoob> I have windows and ubuntu installed on my system. I want to remove windows and add that partition space to ubuntu
[19:13] <purple1> !kernels
[19:13] <kostkon> fabricius, try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:13] <tomreyn> fabricius: there is no "Ubuntu 14".
[19:13] <purple1> !kernel
[19:13] <loginoob> do i need to boot from live cd/usb and run gparted from that?
[19:13] <kostkon> fabricius, don't forget to restart your browser
[19:14] <purple1> !mainline
[19:14] <tomreyn> fabricius: i'm convinced that a default installation of firefox (with recommends) on a fully updated Ubuntu 14.04 LTS works fine to play back videos on youtube
[19:15] <ramsub07> hi, i'm a sudoer and I want to elevate the previlege of a directory in /mnt/. it's currently 777. i just want my code(that i execute from my account) and nautilus(it's a server and i use sftp to access files) only to read and write. I basically want to take away read permission from other users
[19:15] <ramsub07> how do i go about?
[19:15] <fabricius> thx! kostkon - I'll report later if that's the issue and the solution
[19:15] <ioria> fabricius, also the h264ify addon  might be useful
[19:15] <kostkon> fabricius, ok
[19:16] <purple1> is it possible to remote mount the mainline kernel so the source code can be looked over?
[19:16] <apawl> So I know with `lshw` I can see what type of RAM I currently have. Is there a way to see what kind my system will _support_?
[19:17] <purple1> is there an accurate source of mainline on an ftp server somwhere
[19:17] <tomreyn> apawl: check mainboard documentation
[19:17] <tomreyn> apawl: that's more of a ##hardware question than an #ubuntu one, though
[19:18] <apawl> tomreyn: I was thinking I could see that information from the kernel. Is that wrong?
[19:18] <apawl> A "hey, what do you know about what you're running on?" type of thing
[19:19] <tomreyn> apawl: you can use 'sudo dmidecode' to get much information on your hardware, but the only authoritative source of such information is the mainboard vendor.
[19:20] <apawl> tomreyn: thanks
[19:20] <TJ-> Doow: I've found an explanation. Read the "Broadcom brcmfmac driver" > "Firmware installation" > "NVRAM from EFI" section here carefully. https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/brcm80211
[19:20] <TJ-> Doow: I have to go to dinner now, but see if you can find that nvram file in the efivars and copy it as detailed
[19:21] <TJ-> Doow: once you've done that try "sudo modprobe -r brcmfmac" then "sudo modprobe brcmfmac" and check "dmesg | tail" for results/clues/more problems
[19:21] <Doow> TJ-: Just came back, I'll give it a shot
[19:23] <skinux> leftyb: I did flush my rules, but I'm still not sure the firewall is actually running.
[19:23] <skinux> If it is, I want to shut it down to test if it is causing my problem.
[19:23] <skinux> I'm just using a home lan, so firewall isn't drastically important.
[19:24] <akko> join #ubuntu
[19:25] <skinux> Well, iptables isn't in /proc
[19:26] <ramsub07> hi, i'm a sudoer and I want to elevate the previlege of a directory in /mnt/. it's currently 777. i just want my code(that i execute from my account) and nautilus(it's a server and i use sftp to access files) only to read and write. I basically want to take away read permission from other users
[19:26] <ramsub07> how do i go about?
[19:27] <purple1> TJ-: apparently my wifi card is not listed
[19:28] <purple1> it has a custom hybrid wireless driver
[19:32] <akik> ramsub07: chmod 700 /mnt/directory
[19:32] <ramsub07> akik: thanks
[19:32] <ramsub07> that'd allow nautilus also right?
[19:32] <skinux> Okay. I've figured out, UFW which is ubuntu's iptables, isn't active.
[19:33] <akik> ramsub07: if you use nautilus with your user account that is defined as owner for that directory, yes
[19:33] <ramsub07> yes perfect, thanks
[19:33] <akik> !permissions
[19:36] <fabricius> tomreyn: ioria, kostkon: installing ununtu-restricted extras and restarting firefox by clearing off all add-ons (refresh) did the job! Thank You!
[19:36] <fabricius> installing ununtu-restricted extras and restarting firefox by clearing off all add-ons (refresh) did the job! Thank You!
[19:36] <kostkon> fabricius, np
[19:36] <ioria> fabricius, good
[19:36] <fabricius> ubuntu obviously not ununtu - sry
[19:40] <Ajkthx> is there any way to make ubuntu feel "smoother"? moving windows and animations in general feel so laggy and choppy
[19:40] <Ajkthx> the whole thing kinda just feels slow in general
[19:45] <TJ-> Doow: any progress?
[19:47] <Doow> TJ-: I have yet to get it to boot again, it seems pretty random when it does.
[19:47] <Doow> :(
[19:48] <skinux> TJ: I get connection refused trying to connect to PHP server with no firewall running. Any ideas?
[19:48] <TJ-> Doow: OK, did you find the EFI nvram file the Wiki mentions?
[19:50] <naribia_> why is "Sticky Edges" in 16.04 not working ? I wasnt to disable it because it's annoying but the setting is unaffective, cursor keeps sticking between monitors
[19:54] <jj27> If I make changes to /etc/networking/interfaces (setting up bond0 with lacp), what's the best way to restart the network stack? I tried "systemctl restart networking.service" but it throws a fit.  If I reboot the box, its fine.
[19:54] <TJ-> Doow: I'm not seeing any mention of the brcm43438 [0] in latest Linux source ( drivers/net/wireless/broadcom/brcm80211/brcmfmac/sdio.c ) [0] > https://www.acer.com/datasheets/2017/4876/S1003/NT.LECED.003.html
[19:55] <Doow> TJ-: I take it it's supposed to be in here: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/brcm but I find nothing with the exact name (43438)
[19:55] <TJ-> jj27: probably better to use systemd-networkd - ifupdown is being deprecated
[19:55] <TJ-> Doow: did you check the "NVRAM from EFI" part? that's the important bit
[19:56] <Doow> TJ-: I can't until I get the machine to boot
[19:57] <TJ-> Doow: :D
[19:57] <TJ-> Doow: remind me - does it fail to boot whilst doing kernel stuff, or never actually execute the kernel?
[19:59] <Doow> TJ-: It fails in two different ways, most commonly it starts logging things and get to the "colored" part of the logging but if seems to fail to properly switch graphics mode, because the screen goes black after that. Sometimes, but less often it never start logging at all.
[19:59] <Doow> I guess the second part is failing to load the kernel
[19:59] <TJ-> Doow: OK, so kernel is starting but the GUI is having problems
[20:00] <Doow> TJ-: yeah
[20:00] <TJ-> Doow: have you tried changing the kernel command-line options? remove 'quiet spash' - I think you said you had
[20:00] <Doow> yes, I remove quiet splash and put nomodeset there instead
[20:00] <TJ-> Doow: right, nomodeset will likely break it (GUI cannot change modes)
[20:03] <TJ-> Doow: one option that might help is "add_efi_memmap"
[20:03] <jj27> TJ-: So, "systemctl restart systemd-networkd" ?
[20:04] <TJ-> jj27: Yes, *if* you've defined the interfaces in /etc/systemd/network/
[20:05] <TJ-> jj27: here's how I define a bond http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k9DsY3Yhyc/
[20:06] <jj27> TJ-: Thanks for that.  I'll read through it and attempt to comprehend what all is going on there.  I'm using bond0 with adapters enp1s0f0 and enp1s0f1 and attempting to setup bond0.98 and bond0.99 for VLAN interfaces. I'll play with the settings and see if I can make the magic happen!
[20:08] <minitrue> .join #arch
[20:08] <minitrue> sorry
[20:08] <Doow> TJ-: I got it booting now, but it fails to mount, "mount -t efivarfs none /sys/firmware/efi/efivars" gives "none already mounted or mount point busy"
[20:09] <TJ-> jj27: underlying interfaces defined in .network files linking to the Bond; bond type defined in bond0.netdev file, bond0.network configures the BindCarrier interfaces, IP assignments in LAN_Aggregate.network
[20:09] <TJ-> Doow: ok, so it's already there? "ls -l /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/"
[20:09] <Doow> nope, that folder is empty
[20:09] <TJ-> Doow: may need 'sudo' prefix for that
[20:10] <Doow> df -T shows no efivarfs either
[20:11] <TJ-> Doow: checking here, give me a mo
[20:12] <Qas> hello, does 17.04. have uefi support?
[20:13] <Doow> Qas: yeah, it's been supported for many years now
[20:13] <TJ-> Doow: strange, that works here
[20:14] <Qas> Doow, does 16.10. also have this support?
[20:14] <TJ-> Doow: check "dmesg | tail" for better error messages
[20:15] <Doow> Qas: It's been supported at least since 2014 (according to google at least)
[20:15] <ioria> Qas, Support for UEFI appeared in 11.10
[20:15] <TJ-> Doow: oh hang on! Isn't this a 64-bit OS with a 32-bit EFI?
[20:17] <Doow> TJ-: yes
[20:17] <TJ-> Doow: that'll be why, I suspect. There should be a clue in dmesg
[20:17] <Doow> TJ-: dmesg doesn't say anything at all from what I can see
[20:20] <TJ-> Doow: Hmmmm, looks like you've got a Windows-locked Lemon!
[20:20] <Doow> TJ-: I mean, dmesg doesn't update at all, the highest "timestamp" is 58
[20:20] <TJ-> This is typical Broadcom pain too, though. They've never been a good citizen when it comes to Linux
[20:21] <Doow> TJ-: yeah, maybe it's time to give up and reinstall windows :(
[20:21] <Doow> TJ-: Thanks for all the help. I
[20:22] <Doow> I've learned a lot! =D
[20:24] <TJ-> Doow: some interesting work here https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/43425/does-the-bcm43438-wifi-chip-in-raspberry-pi-3-support-monitor-mode
[20:25] <Qas> ah, thank you Doow, ioria
[20:28] <TJ-> Doow:  this is the chipset http://www.cypress.com/file/298076/download   and this is a 'script' that points to where you could find firmware files (or not!)  https://github.com/fedberry/bcm434xx-firmware
[20:30] <TJ-> Doow: still don't see it where they point. I suspect you'll need to keep the current GRUB install but replace the 64-bit OS with 32-bit so you've got 32-bit EFI + 32-bit OS
[20:31] <TJ-> Doow: does the tablet have "ls /sys/bus/mmc/" entries ?
[20:41] <inhahe> how do i permanently set my keyboard to dvorak in ubuntu?
[20:42] <inhahe> i did it before by editing some file, but i forget
[20:43] <jj27> Last question, hopefully. Appreciate all of the help.  How would I monitor my ZFS data sets in terms of I/O, bandwidth, etc.  I installed sysstat and ran iostat but it only shows me the physical disks.
[20:43] <Doow> TJ-: There are entries in /sys/bus/mmc/
[20:45] <kes0> inhahe: /etc/default/keyboard meybe
[20:45] <inhahe> ok thx
[20:45] <kes0> Yw
[20:45] <Doow> afk again =)
[20:48] <TJ-> Doow: anything in /sys/bus/mmc/devices/ ?
[20:53] <za1b1tsu> I've been on Ubuntu for 2 months now, first ubuntu and now lubuntu. I got accostumed to openbox, I'm really interested in trying an ubuntu minimal install with no DE, just openbox. I really love Ubuntu because everything just works, but my question if on this type of minimal install that advantage will be lost right?
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> za1b1tsu  you can see it as a challenge
[20:57] <za1b1tsu> MonkeyDust, that's true
[20:57] <za1b1tsu> Just curios if ubuntu is still the best choice for me on this type of install
[20:58] <tomreyn> !best
[20:58] <tomreyn> oh thats gone
[21:00] <pavlos> za1b1tsu: Lubuntu has LXDE as a DE
[21:02] <za1b1tsu> pavlos, I know, but it has openbox as well that I really liked.
[21:07] <Doow> TJ-: yes, a symlink called mmc0:0001 pointing to another folder (long path.. =) )
[21:08] <Doow> that folder contains many entries as well
[21:08] <TJ-> Doow: OK, so the SDIO is on the MMC controller
[21:08] <TJ-> Doow: OK, I'm guessing mmc:0001 is the device for the SD-card slot
[21:09] <TJ-> Doow: if the wifi driver was working we should see another device in /sys/bus/mmc/devices/ (I think!)
[21:10] <TJ-> Doow: so let's try that. First ensure the broadcom driver isn't loaded: "lsmod " grep brcmfmac" - if that comes back empty then do "sudo modprobe brcmfmac" then check in /sys/bus/mmc/devices/ again, see if a new device is showing
[21:12] <TJ-> Doow: grrr, typo. "lsmod | grep brcmfmac"
[21:12] <Doow> TJ-: nope, nothing new (the module seemed to load though)
[21:12] <Doow> TJ-: np, I fixed that (the pipe char)
[21:12] <TJ-> Doow: does "dmesg | tail" show the brcmfmac driver messages?
[21:13] <Doow> TJ-: yes, usbcore: registered new interface driver brcmfmac
[21:13] <Doow> lsmod now gives three entries as well
[21:16] <TJ-> Doow: wow, really? what's the new vendor:product ID
[21:16] <TJ-> oh sorry, read that as lsusb !! duh
[21:16] <TJ-> lsmod is listing modules so it would show that
[21:17] <Doow> TJ-: lsusb doesn't show anything interesting unfortunately
[21:17] <TJ-> Doow: That would have been surprising since this is an SDIO device
[21:17] <Doow> =)
[21:18] <TJ-> I think we're out of options. All these things - in a fully working system - would be showing info about the device and drivers, but there's a couple of things missing so far as I can tell. 1) firmware and 2) the driver doesn't have the 43438 device defined even if you had the firmware
[21:19] <Guest91635> hello
[21:20] <TJ-> Guest91635: hello
[21:20] <Doow> TJ-: Ok, do you think there'd be any point in trying a 32 bit os? debian I guess would be easiest since ubuntu stopped doing 32-bit and I guess it'd be most similar for me.
[21:21] <Guest91635> go for it
[21:21] <TJ-> Doow: that would help (with the matching 32-bit EFI) to see if you can get to the NVRAM firmware file... nothing is going to help adding the device to the driver though since it's not even in the mainline kernel
[21:22] <Doow> TJ-: ok
[21:22] <TJ-> Doow: The lack of a 32-bit ISO isn't an issue here, because the Ubuntu 32-bit ISOs are *not* bootable in EFI mode
[21:23] <TJ-> Doow: you've shoe-horned the grub-efi-ia32 in there already so all you'd need do is make some space for another partition (or LVM LV) and do a chroot install of the i386 Ubuntu in there, and add an entry to the grub menu so you can boot GRUB 32-bit EFI > Ubuntu i386
[21:25] <Emcy> does chromecast work on ubuntu
[21:25] <Emcy> should it be working
[21:26] <akik> Emcy: you can cast from chrome on linux
[21:26] <akik> Emcy: also from smplayer
[21:27] <Doow> TJ-: Ok, that'll have to be a later experiment =)
[21:27] <Emcy> what about vivaldi. Which is basically just chromium
[21:28] <oerheks> VLC 3 supports chromecast
[21:29] <Emcy> im using netflix
[21:29] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/vlc-3-0-1-released-improved-chromecast-support
[21:29] <oerheks> oh, netflix should work fine on chrome-browser too
[21:33] <Emcy> ok
[21:33] <Emcy> casting in vlc works thats helpful and confirms there is no network issue
[21:42] <pos> deb testing is pushing new microcode
[21:43] <DarkAceZ> hey guys, can I install 18.04 now and not have to worry about some massive overhaul in April?
[21:46] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | DarkAceZ
[21:47] <DarkAceZ> ty
[21:50] <hfp> Am I understanding correctly that the maximum possible integer value for PRI in syslog is 237? Basing that assumption on https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3164#page-8, local7 debug would be 237
[21:50] <purple1> is it safe to install ubuntu mainline next to a spin?
[21:51] <purple1> the spin is not sufficing it has something funny going on with audio
[21:51] <TJ-> !mainline | purple1
[21:52] <purple1> TJ-: yeah so is it reccomended to download a new iso or can the spin convert to mainline?
[21:52] <TJ-> purple1: I've a shell script that automates the download and install at http://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/wget_kernel_mainline.sh
[21:52] <TJ-> purple1: what is a 'spin' ?
[21:53] <hfp> No actually it would be 23*8+7 so a priority value of 191 which would be the maximum integer value
[21:53] <purple1> the spin uses a base system then with modifications TJ-
[21:54] <purple1> so it is based on ubuntu then there is xubuntu and some modifications of xubuntu additional packages and configs
[21:54] <TJ-> purple1: well, it rather depends on what those modifications are. Kernels don't break the ABI
[21:55] <purple1> what is used for query of the  abi version
[21:56] <TJ-> there isn't one, because the kernel doesn't break userspace. That is Linus Torvald's cardinal rule
[21:59] <purple1> quantal has an abi
[22:02] <TJ-> The kernel has an *internal* ABI/API for it's modules; the userspace interface does not, new features are added as additional IOCTLs/syscalls/whatever
[22:27] <dman777> hello, I tried installing the minimal xenial lts on my laptop. after it was completed, I booted into grub but instead got /dev/sda2: clean, 57688/8388608 files... instead of the grub menu. When hit the power button I see a ubuntu screen show for powering down
[22:29] <TJ-> dman777: that message is from the system after the kernel has booted and the init system is preparing things, way afte GRUB
[22:29] <dman777> TJ-: how come there is not command prompt?
[22:30] <AndrewJones> Hello, I've just joined the Ubuntu World and I'm having a few performance teething issues
[22:30] <AndrewJones> Booting doesn't take that long but when I log in I get a black screen for about 10 seconds, the mouse pointer shows and then 5 seconds later the desktop shows up
[22:30] <AndrewJones> Has anyone else had this issue
[22:30] <dman777> TJ-: ah...I see...nm. thanks
[22:31] <black_13> is there a way to show all the packages that i have installed post initial install?
[22:31] <akik> dman777: the grub menu is hidden by default but you can get it back if you want
[22:31] <dman777> akik: thanks
[22:32] <dman777> is there a way to luks encrypt the root partition with the minimal install usb?
[22:32] <dman777> it gave me the option for the /home dir but I would like to do the root partition if possible
[22:35] <AndrewJones> What desktop enviroments do you guys use, I'm tempted to try another to see if problems still perist
[22:35] <AndrewJones> persist
[22:36] <oerheks> AndrewJones, what version exactly?
[22:36] <AndrewJones> 17.10
[22:36] <oerheks> 17.10 comes with wayland as default, you could check out Xorg @ login
[22:37] <Bashing-om> AndrewJones: IF you suspect your hardware is 'less' .. try xfce4 as the DE .
[22:37] <AndrewJones> oerheks, I'm doing that atm still getting the same issue
[22:37] <TJ-> AndrewJones: the boot-loader GRUB has a hidden timeout of 10 seconds before it loads Linux, so you have time to hit Esc to get to the boot loader menu. You can reduce that timeout if you want to in /etc/default/grub
[22:37] <akk> AndrewJones: I'm a nut for response time (and I use slow hardware) and I've been very happy with openbox, it's massively faster than a full desktop environment.
[22:37] <AndrewJones> I have good hardware - i7 / 980ti
[22:37] <AndrewJones> which is why I wouldn't expect to see such a bad response time :S
[22:38] <TJ-> AndrewJones: the other question is, why is the system booting so frequently you notice it!? Once booted suspend/resume is a better option :)
[22:38] <AndrewJones> TJ- I have a thing about having stuff turned off over night, don't ask :P
[22:39] <AndrewJones> I'm tempted to give KDE Plasma a go tbh
[22:39] <TJ-> AndrewJones: you could edit /etc/default/grub and change "GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10" to "GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=2" and then do "sudo update-grub" to set the change
[22:39] <AndrewJones> I'll try that, I'll be back :)
[22:39] <akk> Some machines randomly come out of suspend. I wish I could keep my lenovo suspended and not come back and find out it's been up and running for hours.
[22:40] <TJ-> akk: that sounds like a USB issue. There's options can be set to prevent the USB wake. You can control it with the 'powertop' package/program
[22:40] <AndrewJones> My GrubHiddenTimeout is already set to 0
[22:40] <AndrewJones> Grub_Timeout however is set to 10
[22:40] <akk> TJ-: I think that's right, I've suspected it's getting signals from the USB mouse, but it's so random it's hard to test. I'll look at usb wake in powertop.
[22:41] <TJ-> AndrewJones: is "GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" set?
[22:41] <AndrewJones> TJ- It is
[22:41] <AndrewJones> Should I flip that over to false
[22:42] <TJ-> AndrewJones: no, that just means the "GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT should be the timeout being used (QUIET means don't show the GRUB menu whilst waiting for a potential user key press)
[22:42] <AndrewJones> Ah okay
[22:42] <AndrewJones> Any other ideas? :)
[22:42] <TJ-> AndrewJones: whilst the kernel is starting, if you tap Esc it should dismiss the splash screen so you can see kernel/init messages.
[22:43] <AndrewJones> I'll do a restart and see what it comes up with
[22:43] <AndrewJones> brb
[22:43] <TJ-> AndrewJones: alternatively, after boot, you can use "systemd-analyze critical-chain" and systemd-analyze blame" to see where the time is being used. Usually it's the Wifi network coming up
[22:44] <AndrewJones_> I gave that a whirl, the splash screen only shows for a few seconds so nothing just shown, it's just the part after pressing logging in
[22:44] <AndrewJones_> That takes so long to complete
[22:44] <TJ-> AndrewJones_: you missed a comment ?I made
[22:44] <TJ-> AndrewJones: alternatively, after boot, you can use "systemd-analyze critical-chain" and systemd-analyze blame" to see where the time is being used. Usually it's the Wifi network coming up
[22:45] <AndrewJones_> ah
[22:45] <TJ-> AndrewJones_: if it's the GUI session starting then that's harder to evaluate, but $HOME/.xsession-errors may help (if using Xorg not Wayland)
[22:46] <AndrewJones_> 8.699s plymouth-quit-wait.service           3.152s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[22:46] <AndrewJones_>   └─kerneloops.service @4.446s +22ms     └─network-online.target @4.445s
[22:46] <TJ-> 'plymouth' is the init-time splash-screen and user-input interface
[22:47] <TJ-> the time taken by each is the +xxxms value
[22:47] <AndrewJones_> Aside from that there's nothing in there that takesl onger than a second
[22:47] <akk> TJ-: How do I use powertop to check for usb wake? I must be googling for the wrong keywords, and it wasn't obvious from any of the regular powertop tabs.
[22:47] <TJ-> so it may just be the cumulative time
[22:47] <AndrewJones_> NetworkManager-wait-online.service @1.292s +3.152s
[22:47] <TJ-> akk: as I recall you need the right-most 'tab' in powertop
[22:48] <AndrewJones_> Ah that's annoying, so there's nothing I can about it I'm assuming
[22:48] <TJ-> aananev: it's titled "Tunables"
[22:49] <akk> TJ-: What do "bad" and "good" mean there? E.g. it listed wake-on-lan as "bad", does that mean it was enabled? (I know I checked that in the bios and it wasn't supposed to be enabled.)
[22:49] <Bashing-om> AndrewJones_: Consider my result " systemd-analyze -> Startup finished in 4.553s (kernel) + 8.531s (userspace) = 13.084s " on old hardware with SSDs .
[22:49] <TJ-> AndrewJones_: can you show me "pastebinit <( systemd-analyze blame; systemd-analyze critical-chain} )" ?
[22:49] <akk> I don't see anything about waking on USB, though.
[22:50] <TJ-> akk: "Autosuspend for USB device..."
[22:51] <akk> Oh, there are a zillion of those. So those aren't about putting USB devices to sleep, but about waking up from USB alerts?
[22:51] <TJ-> akk: it can influence what state the USB device gets put into when the system goes to S3 sleep
[22:51] <TJ-> akk: during runtime autosuspend lowers the power-draw
[22:51] <AndrewJones_> Is there an alternative for pastebinit, I don't have that package
[22:51] <akk> OK, thanks, I'll try changing the Bad autosuspend settings to Good and see if it helps.
[22:53] <akk> Heh, not so good, now events from my keyboard and mouse aren't getting through reliably.
[22:54] <magiq> I'm using ubuntu 17.10. And after installing amdgpu-pro 16.40(latest on site) a got black screen with message failed to connect to lvmetad . I was able to delete driver in recovery mode, but want to install driver
[22:54] <magiq> give me advice how can I done this
[22:54] <magiq> Also I tried to google but cant find out anything
[22:54] <TJ-> akk: there are other options you can use, via scripts, at suspend/resume time too, for controlling wake events specifically
[22:56] <TJ-> akk: check "cat /proc/acpi/wakeup"
[22:59] <akk> TJ-: Nice -- I'll look into that list. I fiddled with some old acpi wakeup settings but didn't know where to find the current ones. Thanks.
[23:01] <TJ-> akk: generally you need to use the sysfs (/sys/bus/usb/devices/..../power/wakeup ) nodes
[23:02] <akk> I got frustrated a few years back because the acpi settings that involved sleep/wakeup kept changing and I kept having to relearn them
[23:02] <AndrewJones> Hello, Just installed KDE Plasma and I don't get the black screen issue at all now
[23:02] <pr0t> I am trying to install Ubuntu server 17.10 but it doesn't see my raid array device, but when I check the logs it does see sda and sdb which are the two drives that make up the array
[23:02] <akk> and I just stopped even trying to customize sleep and wakeup. So this is useful, I should learn the new way.
[23:02] <AndrewJones> Just wondering if KDE Plasma runs the Windfall config & if there's anyway to set it to boot into KDE Plasma as default
[23:03] <TJ-> pr0t: what kind of 'RAID' device is it, FakeRAID presumably?
[23:03] <pr0t> Intel Corporation C600/X79 series chipset SATA RAID Controller
[23:03] <pr0t> Its a super micro board
[23:03] <magiq> Guys, can somebody help me
[23:03] <TJ-> AndrewJones: generally the session that is started is remembered; Session is chosen on the greeter login screen via the Cog/Gear icon
[23:03] <pr0t> Thing is I work with these type of boards at work and we setup the raid and install CentOS just fine on them
[23:03] <tomreyn> !ask | magiq
[23:04] <pr0t> CentOS sees the VD
[23:04] <pr0t> Not sure why ubuntu doesn't
[23:04] <AndrewJones> Ah okay, thanks a lot for your help guys
[23:04] <pr0t> https://pastebin.com/Hut3cvzf
[23:04] <pr0t> This is in the logs though
[23:04] <TJ-> pr0t: so a fakeraid device. Do you know which driver it requires, mdraid or dmraid ?
[23:05] <pr0t> Yes its fake raid
[23:05] <pr0t> And no not sure which controller
[23:05] <pr0t> But technically
[23:05] <pr0t> All raid is software raid
[23:05] <magiq> ubottu: alray
[23:05] <pr0t> Even when we say hardware raid
[23:05] <pr0t> :P
[23:05] <magiq> ubottu: already but nobody answered
[23:05] <TJ-> pr0t: so it detects it: "isk-detect: MDADM container(s) detected. (Intel/DDF RAID"
[23:05] <magiq> 00:54 < magiq> I'm using ubuntu 17.10. And after installing amdgpu-pro 16.40(latest on site) a got black screen with message failed to connect to lvmetad . I was able to delete driver in recovery mode,
[23:05] <magiq> I'm using ubuntu 17.10. And after installing amdgpu-pro 16.40(latest on site) a got black screen with message failed to connect to lvmetad . I was able to delete driver in recovery mode,
[23:06] <pr0t> TJ- yeah but for some reason fails activating it
[23:06] <TJ-> pr0t: and "disk-detect: mdadm: Container /dev/md/imsm0 has been assembled with 2 drives"
[23:06] <magiq> I'm using ubuntu 17.10. And after installing amdgpu-pro 16.40(latest on site) a got black screen with message failed to connect to lvmetad . I was able to delete driver in recovery mode,
[23:06] <pr0t> TJ- once it gets to the partitioning step
[23:06] <magiq> I'm using ubuntu 17.10. And after installing amdgpu-pro 16.40(latest on site) a got black screen with message failed to connect to lvmetad . I was able to delete driver in recovery mode, but want to install driver
[23:06] <pr0t> The device does not show up
[23:06] <TJ-> pr0t: looking at the device name, I suspect the installer simply doesn't see it as matching the set of names it looks for
[23:06] <tomreyn> !patience | magiq
[23:06] <pr0t> TJ- ahhh how can I fix that?
[23:06] <TJ-> pr0t: are you using the LiveISO Try Ubuntu installer session?
[23:07] <pr0t> I'm using Ubuntu Server 17
[23:07] <tomreyn> magiq: first of all, have you checked whether amdgpu-pro 16.40 supports ubuntu 17.10 ?
[23:07] <TJ-> pr0t: ahhh, OK. I suspect you might have to drop to a shell to investigate and possibly create an alternative node the installer can 'see' (doesn't ignore!)
[23:08] <tomreyn> magiq: if so, does it support the default wayland display manager or X, and have you switched to that?
[23:08] <magiq> tomreyn: how can I check that?
[23:08] <tomreyn> magiq: which one?
[23:08] <pr0t> TJ-: No familiar with ubuntu how do I do that?
[23:09] <dman777> what does ubuntu to use for encryption when it encrypts home? LUKs? also, how does it do that without making home a seperate partition?
[23:09] <magiq> tomreyn: how can I check that amdgpu-pro 16.40 supports ubuntu 17.10
[23:09] <magiq> tomreyn: if it now support, that I cant use ubuntu with gpu ?
[23:09] <TJ-> pr0t: I've not used the new 17.10 server installer so I can't easily talk you through it.
[23:09] <pr0t> Drop to the shell while at the installer that is
[23:09] <tomreyn> magiq: how did you install amdgpu-pro? you probably downloaded it dsomewhere? if so, most likely there were release notes or system requirements provided next to where oyu downloaded.
[23:10] <magiq> tomreyn: amd.com
[23:10] <tomreyn> magiq: the open source amdgpu drivers work just fine, unless you have special needs.
[23:10] <magiq> tomreyn: how can I install them?
[23:10] <pr0t> TJ-: would it be better for performance and stability just to ignore the fakeraid and do mdadm at the O/S level?
[23:11] <tomreyn> magiq: they are installed by default, and loaded if you have matching hardware
[23:11] <oerheks> magiq, check if your card is supported.. https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[23:11] <TJ-> pr0t: if the system doesn't have to dual boot with Windows then yes that's a much easier way to do it
[23:11] <magiq> tomreyn: so, I can install game and it will be still working ?
[23:11] <pr0t> Yup no windows
[23:12] <pr0t> What about performance wise though
[23:12] <pr0t> Is the intel fakeraid better than madam?
[23:12] <pr0t> mdadm?
[23:12] <tomreyn> magiq: yes, on a newly installed system. but since you installed amdgpu-pro drivers you'll need to remove them to get into the same situation again.
[23:13] <magiq> tomreyn: I already said that I delete them, because if not, I cant speak with you
[23:16] <tomreyn> magiq: i see, sorry if i missed that.
[23:16] <TJ-> pr0t: it's no different. 'fake' RAID means the BIOS setup tool can write meta-data to the disks but the OS has to have drivers to understand that metadata and create the illusion of the logical device.
[23:16] <pr0t> gotcha
[23:17] <TJ-> pr0t: True Hardware RAID hides the underlying devices completely and only presents the logical array to the OS
[23:22] <pr0t> TJ- Thank you for your help, very much appreciated.
[23:27] <AndrewJones> Hello, back again.. Sorry to be a pest. I've just noticed on restarting my machine with the KDE Enviroment I get a Ubuntu splash screen show intermittenly, is there anwyay to prevent thias
[23:27] <TJ-> AndrewJones: when does it show? after log-in ?
[23:28] <AndrewJones> TJ- Yeah, After login I get the KDE loading screen instantly and a second later the standard splash screen loads in and disappears
[23:28] <AndrewJones> and then it goes back to the KDE Enviroment spinner
[23:28] <Chatterly> Hiya; what is the best way to create a document that is as read only as I can make it. I do not want it altered ever, just printed.
[23:28] <TJ-> AndrewJones: weird!
[23:29] <TJ-> Chatterly: set the immutable attribute
[23:29] <Chatterly> How is this done, I seem to have leaf pad and Abi word.
[23:29] <TJ-> Chatterly: "chattr +i path/to/file"
[23:30] <Chatterly> I'm sorry I'm too new for that instruction to make sense to me.
[23:30] <AndrewJones> TJ- Annoyingly enough it interupts KDE before it used to show non KDE
[23:31] <TJ-> Chatterly: it's issued in a terminal, 'chattr' is the command to 'change attributes' the "+i" means set the immutable flag
[23:32] <AndrewJones> Has anyone else had the standard ubuntu splash screen interupt a new enviroment?
[23:32] <adrian_1908> Chatterly: have you already tried right-clicking your document and setting permissions there. Not as good a TJ-'s suggestions, but better than nothing.
[23:32] <Chatterly> Ok great, I have used terminal a few times. Thank you.
[23:33] <Chatterly> Um yes I have adrian they didn't seem to stay put.
[23:33] <Chatterly> Every time I opened it it was as if I had never applied them.
[23:33] <adrian_1908> Certainly odd, no idea why that might be (if you're the owner of the file).
[23:34] <TJ-> Chatterly: you can check if a file has the immutable flag set by doing "ls -l path/to/file" and you'd see an 'i' in the set of permission flags on the left side of the line
[23:34] <flood_> test
[23:34] <Chatterly> Wonderful. Thanks again.
[23:40] <mavrikant> Ubuntu 17.10. I have jumpy mouse issue on "Ubuntu" DE bot not on "Ubuntu with Xorg" DE or "Unity" DE. My computer only have integrated intel GPU. Should I ignore this and use Xorg version or Should I try to solve it.
[23:54] <Chatterly>  TJ When I did "ls -l path/to/file" it looks to me there  is no 'i'. It did have '-r--r--r--' on the left though.
[23:54] <Chatterly> I believe it is LXterminal
[23:56] <Chatterly> & then 1
[23:58] <Chatterly> Perhaps I needed to write it in Abiword. I think it was a simple text editor
[23:59] <akk> Chatterly: File permissions (like '-r--r--r--' or chattr) don't care what type of file it is, so a text editor is fine.