[00:48] <wagle> i'm runnng 1804 i have been chrooting into an old u1404 image to use an old netapp..  minutes (an hour?) ago, it lost the ability to dns.  what happened?
[00:49] <TJ-> wagle: what were you doing in the chroot ?
[00:53] <wagle> just running this old program that uses the net, but! maybe I never had dns, and the app hardcodes the ip address?
[00:56] <wagle> thats my current suspicion..  the remote site might be down, and i finally noticed the lack of dns trying to diagnose the problem
[00:58] <wagle> TJ-: nope, it just now failed and listed a dns name and not an ip address, so dns got broken today?
[01:00] <TJ-> did the domain expire?
[01:02] <wagle> nope..  but bind mounting /etc/resolv.conf inside the chroot works at the moment
[01:10] <mesa> I may never run osx again on this iMac. Wow. Lightning fast on bionic beaver
[01:11] <BionicMac> Just installed todays build. SO sweet. I'm a long time Slackware user and I'm super impressed with Ubuntu.
[01:13] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: In my case, I found wayland faster and smoother than Xorg . I was very impressed with the wayland implementation.
[01:14] <BionicMac> Since kernel 4.15 my video card is fully supported
[01:16] <wagle> I can just sit back and let u1804 update itself to a regular dist?
[01:18] <Bashing-om> wagle: Affirmed .. just keep the beta updated . 
[01:18] <BionicMac> Bashing-om: How can I run wayland on 18.04 ?
[01:18] <BionicMac> Is there an easy way to switch back and forth.
[01:18] <BionicMac> ?
[01:18] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: At the password screen is a small cog lower right of the login box .
[01:19] <BionicMac> ok rebooting...
[01:29] <mesa> donald@bionic-mac:~$ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[01:29] <mesa> wayland
[01:32] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: Wayland is a bit different .. wull take a bit to re-adjust .
[01:33] <Bashing-om> will*
[01:35] <BionicMac> I don't see any difference yet.
[01:36] <BionicMac> like.. no visual difference.
[01:38] <BionicMac> 3840 x 2160 is my top resolution ... I had the same in X. but that is the kernel driver and blah.
[01:38] <BionicMac> that is a crazy resolution... higher than OSX would push it.
[01:38] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: The main thing I liked in the wayland interface was the keyboard shortcuts ( work spaces ) .
[01:38] <BionicMac> Oh! I should study up on that. I need them.
[01:40] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: switching work spaces with the keyboard is smoother and faster, in my use case . 
[01:40] <BionicMac> Bashing-om: I'm looking for a readme
[01:41] <BionicMac> what is the hotkey for activites?
[01:43] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: Not sure .. not on bionic at this time .
[01:43] <BionicMac> This apple keyboard has no PgUp/Dn key...   pissing me off.
[01:43] <BionicMac> on osx its fn+up-arrrow/down-arrow 
[01:43] <BionicMac> don't know what the combo is here...
[01:45] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: try as Windows key+arrow-up/down ( work space switcher ) . .. Also in wayland can click pn an application that is running in the dash to switch windows .
[01:51] <BionicMac> nope
[01:53] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: No experience with a MAC keyboard . Would not know where to begin in remapping keys :(
[01:53] <BionicMac> ctrl+alt+up/down arrow. check !
[01:54] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: Progress ! :))
[01:55] <BionicMac> Next thing I really want/NEED badly is my trackpad gestures....
[01:55] <BionicMac> I gusess I need synaptics something something bblah blah
[01:55] <BionicMac> Apple Magic Trackpad. working great with basic pointer ... now I want my gestures back.
[01:56] <BionicMac> two finger scroll... swicth workspaces 3-finger swipe.. etc etc
[01:56] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: Not so sure how well the trackpad is supported in wayland . ( beginning to sound like a broken record ) 
[01:56] <BionicMac> =)
[01:56] <BionicMac> Well. I didn't have it working in X either. so ... 
[01:57] <BionicMac> I can always go back to X if needed. 
[01:57] <BionicMac>  I'm good eiher way. I just want my gestures =)
[01:59] <BionicMac> Bashing-om: What is your browser of choice in ubuntu?
[02:01] <BionicMac> man, expressvpn is lightning fast as solid.
[02:01] <BionicMac> s/as/and/
[02:01] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: Depends on what environment I am in .. elinks for CLI ; Gui is chromium .// touchpad do not know what waykand woukd have for a driver . Xorg perhaps : https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-input-synaptics&searchon=names&suite=bionic&section=all .
[02:02] <BionicMac> Bashing-om: Thanks brother man! =)
[02:03] <BionicMac> I like chromium myself, I'll play with ff and chromiuim until i settle on one. I've been on safari for a while now.
[02:03] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: Learning wayland is going to be trippy :)
[02:03] <BionicMac> Well. the good thing is I can be back in X in a heartbeat
[02:04] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: True .. will have to wait and see how support for wayland plays out .
[02:05] <BionicMac> Bashing-om: I'm going to write a tutorial on dual-booting ubuntu and macosx high sierra on a 5k. Eventually. I 'm almost to the point where I want to completely wipe out osx partition.
[02:06] <BionicMac> I already trashed to boot loader by installing grub to main drive instead of somewhere else.. I wasn't looking =) it's trash.  =)
[02:06] <BionicMac> s/to/the/
[02:07] <BionicMac> I always come back to linux, no matter what. I should stop trying to fool myself.
[02:07] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: Trashing grub multi-booting and then fixing is how I learned grub :)
[02:07] <BionicMac> NO I trashed Apples boot loader. My grub is intact. 
[02:08] <BionicMac> haha
[02:08] <BionicMac> I need to learn more about grub. I'm still in Lilo land. !@!
[02:08] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: I am fortunate in that linux does *evrything* i need to do .
[02:08] <BionicMac> It does that.
[02:10] <Bashing-om> BionicMac: grub2 has changed a lot from lilo . There too is a lot to re-learn ( and I still miss the inittab system ! )
[02:10] <BionicMac> agreed
[02:11] <Bashing-om> Gotta do the rain locker thing .. back soonest .
[02:13] <BionicMac> Peace
[04:08] <Fudge> ok it seems the packages i had trouble with is due to the asutralian mirror
[05:03] <fxnoob> hello
[05:04] <fxnoob> I need help installing ubuntu, I cannot even boot installer, Ryzen 5 2400G
[05:04] <fxnoob> 18.04 beta
[05:05] <fxnoob> if I boot normal usb hangs without seeing any error, if I boot uefi usb gives an error with AMD-vi
[05:07] <Bashing-om> fxnoob: And did you verify the .iso download integrity ?
[05:08] <fxnoob> no problem with integrity
[05:09] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | fxnoob Hummm .. try :
[05:11] <fxnoob> ok, trying
[05:11] <fxnoob> thanks
[05:49] <fxnoob> hello, nomodeset did the trick
[05:49] <fxnoob> thanks :)
[05:53] <Bashing-om> fxnoob: nomodeset permanently is not a good solution . We do need to find out why the kernel driver does not load .
[05:54] <fxnoob> Bashing-om, well I'm on 18.04 but driver has 0 acceleration, I have stuttering when I move windows
[05:55] <fxnoob>            Display Server: X.Org 1.19.6 drivers: fbdev,ati (unloaded: modesetting,vesa,radeon)
[05:55] <Bashing-om> fxnoob: You are running on the fall back driver .. will not have good performance . Need to get the AMD driver funtional .
[05:56] <fxnoob> I read something about mesa
[05:56] <fxnoob> Mesa works with this integrated gpu
[05:56] <fxnoob> aka Radeon Vega 11
[05:57] <fxnoob> this installation detects as radeon vega 8 mobile :)
[05:57] <Bashing-om> fxnoob: hybrid graphics .. will take some one else that has the experience to advise here . 
[05:58] <fxnoob> well, so far I made it to boot/install, is a huge step ahead
[05:58] <fxnoob> fixing driver, needs some reading
[05:58] <fxnoob> also I read that only kernel 4.4.16 fully supports ryzen 5 2400G
[05:59] <Bashing-om> fxnoob: Progress ! .. But I do not know the current state with AMD/Intel to knoiw what to do here .
[06:00] <Bashing-om> !linux-image-generic
[06:00] <fxnoob> well.. people who use latest hardware are considered pioneers :)
[06:00] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic
[06:01] <fxnoob> I'm on 1month and half old cpu
[06:01] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[06:01] <fxnoob> yeah, I'm on that one
[06:03] <Bashing-om> fxnoob: The board is supported . the graphic's are questionable :(
[06:03] <fxnoob> yes, I cannot use youtube or anything related to graphics, is framing bad
[06:04] <fxnoob> also doesn't install the amd sound card, I only have sound from plantronics headset
[06:06] <fxnoob> amd has only windows 10 64 bit at driver download, no linux or any other OS
[06:13] <TABS_Network> Hi all. Any thoughts on ubuntu 18.04?
[06:17] <Bashing-om> TABS_Network: Smooth and works a treat on my hardware .
[06:18] <TABS_Network> Ok, great to hear Bashing-om. Do you use it in a business sense too?
[06:22] <TABS_Network> I am interested in looking at using it for business, as I've used Ubuntu since 8.04, but only become familiar with the new layout since 12.04. I liked the GNOME environment, and hearing that it's been reintroduced is intriguing. The only concern I have is security of information.
[06:23] <TABS_Network> I currently use Lubuntu, just for the sake of trying something different.
[06:23] <Bashing-om> TABS_Network: To this time just casual desktop use . I find wayland smoother and faster .
[06:29] <TABS_Network> Ah, okay. I haven't used wayland yet.
[06:32] <TABS_Network> Bashing-om Is wayland the 18.04? I haven't looked at it specifically yet, apart from knowing what was coming?
[06:34] <Bashing-om> TABS_Network: No longer wayland by default . at the pass word screen click on the gear icon at the lower right .
[06:37] <TABS_Network> Bashing-om I haven't installed it yet. It's a consideration, as I've enjoyed Ubuntu, but am concerned with the security issues of business details regarding Google. Google is great in many areas, but I am not one to agree with the mass-collection, as sadly, it allows for businesses to become swamping morphs, that kill or absorb anything in their path. It's a love/hate relationship. Their services are fantastic, but the payoff 
[06:37] <TABS_Network> seems to be a lack of privacy and a loss of business enterprise.
[06:37] <TABS_Network> That is my biggest concern (and here I am using Lubuntu...lol)
[06:40] <Bashing-om> TABS_Network: I must leave it to others to comment on Google as I have made no thought on that matter . My preference for my "work" OS is some varient of xfce . I will roll my own .
[06:41] <Bashing-om> TABS_Network: xfce: be aware that there will be no wayland DE .
[06:42] <ducasse> TABS_Network: what does concerns about google have to do with using ubuntu or not?
[07:03] <TABS_Network> Sorry Bashing-om and ducasse. I was on the phone.
[07:04] <TABS_Network> ducasse Canonical and their relationship with Google is my concern, well, not so much a concern but something I'd like to be more aware of what is going on.
[07:04] <TABS_Network> Bashing-om Ok, good to know that too.
[07:11] <ducasse> TABS_Network: the only thing in ubuntu that sends data to google is chromium, as far as i'm aware, and that's easily enough avoided
[07:16] <TABS_Network> ducasse That's good to know. I didn't know that.
[07:18] <TABS_Network> I read something about two years ago, a document created by Canonical and Google. I think it was a guide to using Ubuntu. It scared me that Google was getting involved at the education level, as it is like giving our kids a facebook account before they're past their stupid teen years.
[07:25] <ducasse> i wouldn't worry too much about that. google is selling a lot of products and services for education, like chromebooks for schools. this document might have something to do with that.
[07:26] <ducasse> whether google should be involved in education is another question, of course, but schools need to get their computers and applications from somewhere.
[07:34] <TABS_Network> Yeah, true. I agree with that ducasse.
[08:42] <beta-tester> hi, is the possibility to PXE boot the ubuntu 18.04 LTS (daily-live) ISO image not included yet in the prerelase or is it broken? i cam PXE boot ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS and 17.10.1 ISOs without problems. but not 18.04 LTS (daily-live). see for details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1754828
[10:05] <tomreyn> isnt the default firefox search engine also google and does it not search as you type on the address (and, if you have it, search) bar?
[10:06] <tomreyn> but other than those defaults i don't think there's much google-ness in ubuntu, if any.
[16:53] <FurretUber> Hi, I have reported some bugs on Launchpad that were already corrected, but they had their status not changed.
[16:56] <tsimonq2> FurretUber: Which ones?
[16:57] <FurretUber> There are a few: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1750707
[16:57] <tsimonq2> So that bug is solved?
[16:58] <FurretUber> To me yes, I can use LibreOffice to open files in NTFS partitions with no problem now
[16:59] <tsimonq2> Marked.
[16:59] <tsimonq2> Any other ones?
[17:02] <FurretUber> From Bionic that was it. There are some from previous versions that were already corrected: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/1690192
[17:03] <FurretUber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1725086
[17:04] <tsimonq2> FurretUber: You're saying I should mark both of these as "Fix Released"?
[17:05] <FurretUber> These bugs no longer affect me. The Thunderbird one was corrected minutes after I reported it
[17:05] <FurretUber> Because it was a big problem
[17:06] <tsimonq2> OK
[17:06] <tsimonq2> Please leave a comment on the bug report stating just that.
[17:06] <tsimonq2> Well, on both of them.
[17:06] <FurretUber> Ah, OK. I was not aware on how to proceed when they were corrected
[17:07] <tsimonq2> Have you done any digging on the wiki? ;)
[17:08] <FurretUber> I did, but not found anything regarding corrected bugs not marked by the developers/maintainers. Maybe I just have not paid attention on that...
[17:09] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:12] <ChunkzZ1> Can I upgrade to 18.04 on xubuntu? I'm on 17.10.1...
[17:13] <ChunkzZ1> They said to ask here.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> ChunkzZ1: You can.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> It's just not recommended quite yet.
[17:13] <tsimonq2> It's a beta, so there might be some rough edges.
[17:14] <ChunkzZ1> It'll have bugs but it'll work, right?
[17:15] <tsimonq2> It *might* have bugs.
[17:15] <tsimonq2> Statistically, the chances are higher of having bugs.
[17:15] <tsimonq2> So yeah, it should work.
[17:15] <FurretUber> tsimonq2: may you point me to the page with the procedure of saying/marking the bugs as corrected? My search abilities appear to be degraded today
[17:15] <tsimonq2> FurretUber: Sure, one second.
[17:16] <tsimonq2> FurretUber: The two pages I typically refer to are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Triage/Charts and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[17:16] <tsimonq2> FurretUber: Otherwise, I guess the rule of thumb is "use your common sense" :)
[17:24] <FurretUber> tsimonq2: Thank you, I would not find these pages, really. That cases fit on "Bugs resolved after update or config change", so I should just add a comment saying this was corrected with a update and then somebody from bugsquad or bug-control (I'm just a user) should change the status.
[17:28] <tsimonq2> FurretUber: I'm a member of both, let me know what you need.
[17:29] <tsimonq2> FurretUber: But I guess the eventual goal is for you to become a member of them, if you contribute enough. ;)
[17:29] <tsimonq2> In fact, I suggest you join Bug Squad: https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad
[17:29] <tsimonq2> iirc, there's little barrier to entry.
[17:30] <tsimonq2> Then I was stubborn and got my bug control via MOTU. :P
[17:31] <FurretUber> I will evaluate this later because I have to go now. Thank you for the help
[17:32] <tsimonq2> No problem :)
[17:32] <mesa> 3-24 build date of Bionic Beaver running like a charm on this Intel iMac. 
[17:32] <tsimonq2> \o/
[17:35] <BionicMac> Can anyone point me to information on tweaking gestures on a trackpad in ubuntu?
[17:36] <tsimonq2> BionicMac: This comes up on a quick DDG search: https://github.com/mpiannucci/gnome-shell-extended-gestures
[17:36] <BionicMac> tsimonq2, thanks
[17:36] <tsimonq2> No problem.
[19:20] <alnr> my desktop has a dialog box fixed to the top of the screen "Wireless mouse is very low in power" and not movable. I can dismiss it but it soon comes back. aside from it not likely being false, how can I make it so this dialog is not taking permanent residence on my desktop
[19:20] <alnr> likely being false*
[19:47] <ChmEarl> do-release-upgrade from artuful-bionic broke my network. Any cookbook to convert /etc/n/i to netplan? I see no method to bring up my old network
[19:49] <ChmEarl> I had 2 bridges, one without an interface (virtual). Netplan refuses to work with virbr0
[20:57] <tomreyn> ChmEarl: here's an example configuration for bridges https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/07/05/quick-and-easy-network-configuration-with-netplan
[20:57] <ChmEarl> tomreyn, ty
[21:35] <BionicMac> Is anyone else having intermittent audio issues in Bionic? I'm running a build from 3-24.  I have sound, then no sound. I'm quite new at ubuntu and totally new to pulseaudio so I really need a guide to trouble shoot this. thanks in advance. So far none of the guides I have read have helped and I REally would rather not reboot just to get sound. =)
[21:36] <BionicMac> Every reboot, sound is perfect, until it just stops.
[21:36] <BionicMac> I'm almost ready to believe that once the display blanks (sleeps) then once I log back in it stops. 
[22:03] <BionicMac> well this worked: sudo alsa force-reload