| diddledan | clocks just changed | 01:11 |
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| diddledan | it's now 2am | 01:11 |
| penguin42 | give me my damn hour back! | 01:11 |
| daftykins | indeed! happy BST | 01:11 |
| daftykins | penguin42: ooh i have an update on that banking thing btw | 01:12 |
| daftykins | turned out the guy used barclays wealth corporate which used this USB PIN entry device to login - and that relied upon 32-bit Firefox ESR so that the credential handling software plugins worked | 01:12 |
| daftykins | so... legacy fun | 01:12 |
| penguin42 | ewww | 01:13 |
| daftykins | had to reinstate it once i'd done the RAM and SSD upgrade in the iMac | 01:13 |
| daftykins | then they gave me some 1984 floppies to recover data from :D | 01:13 |
| penguin42 | 5.25 ? | 01:13 |
| daftykins | nah 3.5" - i had one drive from 2004 that wasn't reading, but a quick scrub to the heads got it listing files again | 01:14 |
| penguin42 | oh, they can't have been '84 then | 01:14 |
| daftykins | that's the date stamp on the packet at least | 01:14 |
| daftykins | still doesn't read everything, but did get a word document recovered of some guys 84 page autobiography | 01:15 |
| penguin42 | 84 is pretty early; I was still using 5.25 at the time and I thought most stuff was; the Acorn machines started using 3.5 in 87 I think (at least that was the public release) | 01:16 |
| penguin42 | wikipedia says 84 was the date that double sided 3.5 floppy drives first shipped | 01:17 |
| daftykins | nice :D let's see what it was | 01:18 |
| daftykins | 170984 in an orange sticker on the front | 01:18 |
| diddledan | I think we got a 3.5 incher (DD only, not HD-capable) in about 1989 or 1990 | 01:20 |
| penguin42 | what format are they in - standard PC 720k ? | 01:20 |
| diddledan | maybe as early as 1987 but that might be pushing a bit | 01:21 |
| daftykins | packet claims 2MB ones (so 1.44 of course) | 01:24 |
| penguin42 | now that's really confusing | 01:25 |
| daftykins | harping on about Sony 2DD | 01:25 |
| daftykins | oh actually the disks inside are mixed a bit | 01:25 |
| daftykins | the ones that actually match the packet don't read so well | 01:25 |
| penguin42 | DD is double isn't it rather than high - i.e. 1MB? | 01:25 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: http://www.obsoletemedia.org/3-5-inch-microfloppy-extended-density/3-5-inch-microfloppy-identication-notches/ see the notch position (or absence) on the right hand side between teh 3 | 01:27 |
| diddledan | DD is 720kB and HD is 1.44MB | 01:27 |
| daftykins | ah yeah so one has none - and the other is like the one in the middle | 01:28 |
| penguin42 | please tell me the oldest one is the DD | 01:29 |
| daftykins | yip | 01:29 |
| penguin42 | ok, that could have got confusing | 01:29 |
| daftykins | i didn't at any point look at the size on the disks, just touched files only | 01:29 |
| daftykins | as those more often than not didn't even work well - dunno if that's down to my drive or not now though | 01:29 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It's possible they're having problems with single density - I'd have imaged the disk rather than let a normal filesystem at it - I wouldn't want to let it write | 01:31 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I wonder, also, it's possible they were written ona Mac given the age, in which case they may be single sided? | 01:31 |
| daftykins | i figured the write protect tabs would be enough for that | 01:31 |
| penguin42 | yeh probably | 01:31 |
| daftykins | mmm well the main document seems to have been written by MS Word 2 apparently - though the lady mentioned something about an Olivetti PC and hrmm one other software name | 01:32 |
| daftykins | yeah 'First Choice' software | 01:32 |
| diddledan | digital archeology at work | 01:33 |
| penguin42 | hmm, the Amiga and ST was '85 and that was 3.5 | 01:35 |
| daftykins | given the amount of faff i had to do to even get the drive to show up to start with, it won't be coming cheap :) | 01:35 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 08:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | plans for today, go to city centre and have a walk around... | 08:27 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 08:28 |
| brobostigon | maybe sample a beer or two. | 08:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | teetotaler | 08:32 |
| brobostigon | ginger beer? :) | 08:33 |
| zmoylan-pi | still a bit cold for a cold drink | 08:33 |
| brobostigon | i think the forecast here says about 12c this afternoon, so not too bad i think. | 08:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | true but if you are out walking for 2-3 hours it can feel colder | 08:52 |
| brobostigon | very true. | 08:53 |
| brobostigon | i just noticed something cool in starfinder, in one of the classes as a class bonus, you can have a technological item that stores spells and allows you to cast extra known spells. | 08:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | a loophole \o/ | 09:09 |
| brobostigon | no loophole, there by good design, :) | 09:12 |
| knightwise | good morning peeps | 09:18 |
| knightwise | any of you guys know why Ubuntu runs so sluggishly in a Vm (virtualbox) I'm giving it plenty of ram and resources to play with through | 09:19 |
| knightwise | thoguh | 09:19 |
| knightwise | though (srry) | 09:19 |
| brobostigon | morning knightwise | 09:20 |
| brobostigon | compositing wM? inadequate graphics? | 09:20 |
| knightwise | morning | 09:41 |
| knightwise | I think so , I think i also need to install the guest addons and see what that does | 09:41 |
| knightwise | reminds me to push more ram to the videocard too | 09:41 |
| brobostigon | ok, | 09:42 |
| brobostigon | i finally gave my android in starfinder some clothes, so now he isnt walking around questing naked, although he is an android so it doesnt matter too much. :) | 09:44 |
| knightwise | Yep , that did the trick :) | 10:03 |
| knightwise | naked androids do seem tempting | 10:04 |
| brobostigon | :) | 10:04 |
| * knightwise finally got 2 25 inch screens for my setup | 10:04 | |
| brobostigon | :D | 10:04 |
| knightwise | Gnome interface on ubuntu takes some getting used to :) | 10:05 |
| knightwise | still want to treat it like unity because it looks like unity | 10:05 |
| brobostigon | i was going to ask how close it was to standard gnome-shell, and that answers my question. | 10:05 |
| knightwise | looks like unity, acts like gnome | 10:07 |
| knightwise | very confusing | 10:07 |
| brobostigon | odd, i will see it when i upgrade in about a months time. | 10:08 |
| knightwise | yeah , the beta is out for the derivatives, right ? | 10:12 |
| * knightwise things this is because they just haven't quite got it working for ubuntu propper | 10:13 | |
| knightwise | ok , giving it plenty of video ram fixed the issue , vm running smooth now | 10:14 |
| brobostigon | :) | 10:16 |
| penguin42 | hmm, this sensation is odd....I think I'm actually warm | 13:37 |
| SuperEngineer | time to change that nappy, penguin42 | 14:03 |
| penguin42 | haha, no I turned the radiator down :-) | 14:07 |
| DJones | Doesanybody have experience of a HP7612 A3 printer/scanner,are they any good, reviews I'm reading are mixed. I need to get a new printer, A3 printing and duplex needed, would prefer to stick with HP by choice, and the 7612 seems the best option | 14:34 |
| diddledan | apparently the BBC owns Channel 4 (according to this page): https://archive.org/details/channel4bits&tab=about | 15:51 |
| diddledan | I've emailed them. no response yet | 15:51 |
| diddledan | it'ld be nice if they allowed public edits | 15:52 |
| diddledan | I didn't know that. IDE was just the ISA pumped down a wire. The drive controller was exactly the same as the old separate controller cards running on ISA | 15:58 |
| diddledan | ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJUgmn-9Do | 15:58 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: Yeh I'd heard that before; protocols keep moving around | 16:00 |
| daftykins | diddledan: one thing i read was that in most cases the cards were just allowing a PATA port to be connected to the system bus (when you found a port on an unrelated device, like a soundcard) | 20:38 |
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