[01:11] <diddledan> clocks just changed
[01:11] <diddledan> it's now 2am
[01:11] <penguin42> give me my damn hour back!
[01:11] <daftykins> indeed! happy BST
[01:12] <daftykins> penguin42: ooh i have an update on that banking thing btw
[01:12] <daftykins> turned out the guy used barclays wealth corporate which used this USB PIN entry device to login - and that relied upon 32-bit Firefox ESR so that the credential handling software plugins worked
[01:12] <daftykins> so... legacy fun
[01:13] <penguin42> ewww
[01:13] <daftykins> had to reinstate it once i'd done the RAM and SSD upgrade in the iMac
[01:13] <daftykins> then they gave me some 1984 floppies to recover data from :D
[01:13] <penguin42> 5.25 ?
[01:14] <daftykins> nah 3.5" - i had one drive from 2004 that wasn't reading, but a quick scrub to the heads got it listing files again
[01:14] <penguin42> oh, they can't have been '84 then
[01:14] <daftykins> that's the date stamp on the packet at least
[01:15] <daftykins> still doesn't read everything, but did get a word document recovered of some guys 84 page autobiography
[01:16] <penguin42> 84 is pretty early; I was still using 5.25 at the time and I thought most stuff was;  the Acorn machines started using 3.5 in 87 I think (at least that was the public release)
[01:17] <penguin42> wikipedia says 84 was the date that double sided 3.5 floppy drives first shipped
[01:18] <daftykins> nice :D let's see what it was
[01:18] <daftykins> 170984 in an orange sticker on the front
[01:20] <diddledan> I think we got a 3.5 incher (DD only, not HD-capable) in about 1989 or 1990
[01:20] <penguin42> what format are they in - standard PC  720k ?
[01:21] <diddledan> maybe as early as 1987 but that might be pushing a bit
[01:24] <daftykins> packet claims 2MB ones (so 1.44 of course)
[01:25] <penguin42> now that's really confusing
[01:25] <daftykins> harping on about Sony 2DD
[01:25] <daftykins> oh actually the disks inside are mixed a bit
[01:25] <daftykins> the ones that actually match the packet don't read so well
[01:25] <penguin42> DD is double isn't it rather than high - i.e. 1MB?
[01:27] <penguin42> daftykins: http://www.obsoletemedia.org/3-5-inch-microfloppy-extended-density/3-5-inch-microfloppy-identication-notches/  see the notch position (or absence) on the right hand side between teh 3
[01:27] <diddledan> DD is 720kB and HD is 1.44MB
[01:28] <daftykins> ah yeah so one has none - and the other is like the one in the middle
[01:29] <penguin42> please tell me the oldest one is the DD
[01:29] <daftykins> yip
[01:29] <penguin42> ok, that could have got confusing
[01:29] <daftykins> i didn't at any point look at the size on the disks, just touched files only
[01:29] <daftykins> as those more often than not didn't even work well - dunno if that's down to my drive or not now though
[01:31] <penguin42> daftykins: It's possible they're having problems with single density - I'd have imaged the disk rather than let a normal filesystem at it - I wouldn't want to let it write
[01:31] <penguin42> daftykins: I wonder, also, it's possible they were written ona  Mac given the age, in which case they may be single sided?
[01:31] <daftykins> i figured the write protect tabs would be enough for that
[01:31] <penguin42> yeh probably
[01:32] <daftykins> mmm well the main document seems to have been written by MS Word 2 apparently - though the lady mentioned something about an Olivetti PC and hrmm one other software name
[01:32] <daftykins> yeah 'First Choice' software
[01:33] <diddledan> digital archeology at work
[01:35] <penguin42> hmm, the Amiga and ST was '85 and that was 3.5
[01:35] <daftykins> given the amount of faff i had to do to even get the drive to show up to start with, it won't be coming cheap :)
[08:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:26] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[08:27] <zmoylan-pi> plans for today, go to city centre and have a walk around...
[08:28] <brobostigon> o/
[08:28] <brobostigon> maybe sample a beer or two.
[08:32] <zmoylan-pi> teetotaler
[08:33] <brobostigon> ginger beer? :)
[08:33] <zmoylan-pi> still a bit cold for a cold drink
[08:34] <brobostigon> i think the forecast here says about 12c this afternoon, so not too bad i think.
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> true but if you are out walking for 2-3 hours it can feel colder
[08:53] <brobostigon> very true.
[08:58] <brobostigon> i just noticed something cool in starfinder, in one of the classes as a class bonus, you can have a technological item that stores spells and allows you to cast extra known spells.
[09:09] <zmoylan-pi> a loophole \o/
[09:12] <brobostigon> no loophole, there by good design, :)
[09:18] <knightwise> good morning peeps
[09:19] <knightwise> any of you guys know why Ubuntu runs so sluggishly in a Vm (virtualbox) I'm giving it plenty of ram and resources to play with through
[09:19] <knightwise> thoguh
[09:19] <knightwise> though (srry)
[09:20] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:20] <brobostigon> compositing wM? inadequate graphics?
[09:41] <knightwise> morning
[09:41] <knightwise> I think so , I think i also need to install the guest addons and see what that does
[09:41] <knightwise> reminds me to push more ram to the videocard too
[09:42] <brobostigon> ok,
[09:44] <brobostigon> i finally gave my android in starfinder some clothes, so now he isnt walking around questing naked, although he is an android so it doesnt matter too much. :)
[10:03] <knightwise> Yep , that did the trick :)
[10:04] <knightwise> naked androids do seem tempting
[10:04] <brobostigon> :)
[10:04]  * knightwise finally got 2 25 inch screens for my setup
[10:04] <brobostigon> :D
[10:05] <knightwise> Gnome interface on ubuntu takes some getting used to :)
[10:05] <knightwise> still want to treat it like unity because it looks like unity
[10:05] <brobostigon> i was going to ask how close it was to standard gnome-shell, and that answers my question.
[10:07] <knightwise> looks like unity, acts like gnome
[10:07] <knightwise> very confusing
[10:08] <brobostigon> odd, i will see it when i upgrade in about a months time.
[10:12] <knightwise> yeah , the beta is out for the derivatives, right ?
[10:13]  * knightwise things this is because they just haven't quite got it working for ubuntu propper
[10:14] <knightwise> ok , giving it plenty of video ram fixed the issue , vm running smooth now
[10:16] <brobostigon> :)
[13:37] <penguin42> hmm, this sensation is odd....I think I'm actually warm
[14:03] <SuperEngineer> time to change that nappy, penguin42
[14:07] <penguin42> haha, no I turned the radiator down :-)
[14:34] <DJones> Doesanybody have experience of a HP7612 A3 printer/scanner,are they any good, reviews I'm reading are mixed.  I need to get a new printer, A3 printing and duplex needed, would prefer to stick with HP by choice, and the 7612 seems the best option
[15:51] <diddledan> apparently the BBC owns Channel 4 (according to this page): https://archive.org/details/channel4bits&tab=about
[15:51] <diddledan> I've emailed them. no response yet
[15:52] <diddledan> it'ld be nice if they allowed public edits
[15:58] <diddledan> I didn't know that. IDE was just the ISA pumped down a wire. The drive controller was exactly the same as the old separate controller cards running on ISA
[15:58] <diddledan> ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJUgmn-9Do
[16:00] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh I'd heard that before; protocols keep moving around
[20:38] <daftykins> diddledan: one thing i read was that in most cases the cards were just allowing a PATA port to be connected to the system bus (when you found a port on an unrelated device, like a soundcard)