[01:11] clocks just changed [01:11] it's now 2am [01:11] give me my damn hour back! [01:11] indeed! happy BST [01:12] penguin42: ooh i have an update on that banking thing btw [01:12] turned out the guy used barclays wealth corporate which used this USB PIN entry device to login - and that relied upon 32-bit Firefox ESR so that the credential handling software plugins worked [01:12] so... legacy fun [01:13] ewww [01:13] had to reinstate it once i'd done the RAM and SSD upgrade in the iMac [01:13] then they gave me some 1984 floppies to recover data from :D [01:13] 5.25 ? [01:14] nah 3.5" - i had one drive from 2004 that wasn't reading, but a quick scrub to the heads got it listing files again [01:14] oh, they can't have been '84 then [01:14] that's the date stamp on the packet at least [01:15] still doesn't read everything, but did get a word document recovered of some guys 84 page autobiography [01:16] 84 is pretty early; I was still using 5.25 at the time and I thought most stuff was; the Acorn machines started using 3.5 in 87 I think (at least that was the public release) [01:17] wikipedia says 84 was the date that double sided 3.5 floppy drives first shipped [01:18] nice :D let's see what it was [01:18] 170984 in an orange sticker on the front [01:20] I think we got a 3.5 incher (DD only, not HD-capable) in about 1989 or 1990 [01:20] what format are they in - standard PC 720k ? [01:21] maybe as early as 1987 but that might be pushing a bit [01:24] packet claims 2MB ones (so 1.44 of course) [01:25] now that's really confusing [01:25] harping on about Sony 2DD [01:25] oh actually the disks inside are mixed a bit [01:25] the ones that actually match the packet don't read so well [01:25] DD is double isn't it rather than high - i.e. 1MB? [01:27] daftykins: http://www.obsoletemedia.org/3-5-inch-microfloppy-extended-density/3-5-inch-microfloppy-identication-notches/ see the notch position (or absence) on the right hand side between teh 3 [01:27] DD is 720kB and HD is 1.44MB [01:28] ah yeah so one has none - and the other is like the one in the middle [01:29] please tell me the oldest one is the DD [01:29] yip [01:29] ok, that could have got confusing [01:29] i didn't at any point look at the size on the disks, just touched files only [01:29] as those more often than not didn't even work well - dunno if that's down to my drive or not now though [01:31] daftykins: It's possible they're having problems with single density - I'd have imaged the disk rather than let a normal filesystem at it - I wouldn't want to let it write [01:31] daftykins: I wonder, also, it's possible they were written ona Mac given the age, in which case they may be single sided? [01:31] i figured the write protect tabs would be enough for that [01:31] yeh probably [01:32] mmm well the main document seems to have been written by MS Word 2 apparently - though the lady mentioned something about an Olivetti PC and hrmm one other software name [01:32] yeah 'First Choice' software [01:33] digital archeology at work [01:35] hmm, the Amiga and ST was '85 and that was 3.5 [01:35] given the amount of faff i had to do to even get the drive to show up to start with, it won't be coming cheap :) [08:21] morning boys and girls. [08:26] o/ [08:27] plans for today, go to city centre and have a walk around... [08:28] o/ [08:28] maybe sample a beer or two. [08:32] teetotaler [08:33] ginger beer? :) [08:33] still a bit cold for a cold drink [08:34] i think the forecast here says about 12c this afternoon, so not too bad i think. [08:52] true but if you are out walking for 2-3 hours it can feel colder [08:53] very true. [08:58] i just noticed something cool in starfinder, in one of the classes as a class bonus, you can have a technological item that stores spells and allows you to cast extra known spells. [09:09] a loophole \o/ [09:12] no loophole, there by good design, :) [09:18] good morning peeps [09:19] any of you guys know why Ubuntu runs so sluggishly in a Vm (virtualbox) I'm giving it plenty of ram and resources to play with through [09:19] thoguh [09:19] though (srry) [09:20] morning knightwise [09:20] compositing wM? inadequate graphics? [09:41] morning [09:41] I think so , I think i also need to install the guest addons and see what that does [09:41] reminds me to push more ram to the videocard too [09:42] ok, [09:44] i finally gave my android in starfinder some clothes, so now he isnt walking around questing naked, although he is an android so it doesnt matter too much. :) [10:03] Yep , that did the trick :) [10:04] naked androids do seem tempting [10:04] :) [10:04] * knightwise finally got 2 25 inch screens for my setup [10:04] :D [10:05] Gnome interface on ubuntu takes some getting used to :) [10:05] still want to treat it like unity because it looks like unity [10:05] i was going to ask how close it was to standard gnome-shell, and that answers my question. [10:07] looks like unity, acts like gnome [10:07] very confusing [10:08] odd, i will see it when i upgrade in about a months time. [10:12] yeah , the beta is out for the derivatives, right ? [10:13] * knightwise things this is because they just haven't quite got it working for ubuntu propper [10:14] ok , giving it plenty of video ram fixed the issue , vm running smooth now [10:16] :) [13:37] hmm, this sensation is odd....I think I'm actually warm [14:03] time to change that nappy, penguin42 [14:07] haha, no I turned the radiator down :-) [14:34] Doesanybody have experience of a HP7612 A3 printer/scanner,are they any good, reviews I'm reading are mixed. I need to get a new printer, A3 printing and duplex needed, would prefer to stick with HP by choice, and the 7612 seems the best option [15:51] apparently the BBC owns Channel 4 (according to this page): https://archive.org/details/channel4bits&tab=about [15:51] I've emailed them. no response yet [15:52] it'ld be nice if they allowed public edits [15:58] I didn't know that. IDE was just the ISA pumped down a wire. The drive controller was exactly the same as the old separate controller cards running on ISA [15:58] ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJUgmn-9Do [16:00] diddledan: Yeh I'd heard that before; protocols keep moving around [20:38] diddledan: one thing i read was that in most cases the cards were just allowing a PATA port to be connected to the system bus (when you found a port on an unrelated device, like a soundcard)