[00:01] <AuroraAvenue> Hi - here to get an update on progress with Bionic Beaver.
[00:01] <AuroraAvenue> Where should I be looking ?
[00:07] <adalbert> AuroraAvenue: #ubuntu+1
[00:10] <snufft> tomreyn: not having a whole lot of luck with the recovery side of things. i've enabled networking from the grub menu then dropped to the root prompt but networking still isn't up and running /etc/init.d/networking start isn't showing me any love either. Any ideas?
[00:13] <AuroraAvenue> adalbert, cheers - shall hav a chat on there today/Munday.
[00:14] <pragmaticenigma> AuroraAvenue, please /join #ubuntu+1 ... release schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[00:33] <tomreyn> snufft: is it wired or wireless?
[00:34] <tomreyn> snufft: i think wireless would not work there, wired would, if ipv4 + dhcp.
[00:45] <supernovah> IS there a site that lists what gcc/binutils/libc and libstdc++ different ubuntus bundle with/
[00:48] <tomreyn> supernovah: you could look it up on https://packages.ubuntu.com
[00:50] <tomreyn> e.g. https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=glibc&searchon=sourcenames&exact=1&suite=all&section=all
[01:01] <AuroraAvenue> Anyone up for a discussion on #ubuntu+1 for an hour or so ?
[01:02] <gtkminh> hello
[01:02] <gtkminh> i am a new ubuntu
[01:02] <AuroraAvenue> ok
[01:03] <AuroraAvenue> How long have you had ubuntu for ?
[01:03] <gtkminh> 4 years ago
[01:04] <AuroraAvenue> erM okay
[01:05] <AuroraAvenue> not sure what to say ?
[01:05] <AuroraAvenue> Hows the dog ?
[01:05] <gtkminh> i am a christian, i want to preach God by make cartoon film
[01:06] <AuroraAvenue> oh
[01:06] <wutwut> this place just gets weirder and weirder
[01:06] <AuroraAvenue> wishing you luck. but I don't buy it.
[01:06] <gtkminh> do you know where instruction cartoon film?
[01:06] <AuroraAvenue> good-bye.
[01:07] <gtkminh> ok
[01:07] <gtkminh> good-bye you too
[02:08] <supernovah> what's the naming convention for package versions? eg, apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev=2.4.0-0ubuntu1, whats the 0 and 1 before and after ubuntu? and why ubuntu? Is that the build target?
[02:21] <mohammad> hai
[02:21] <mohammad> hello
[02:25] <Guest99164> hai
[02:25] <Guest99164> hello
[02:25] <Guest99164> is there any girl
[02:25] <Guest99164> for me
[02:25] <Guest99164> mods:
[02:26] <Guest99164> hai
[02:26] <Guest99164> hello
[02:26] <Guest99164> is there any one
[02:26] <Guest99164> for ai
[02:27] <guiverc> Guest99164, this is a Ubuntu support channel - please only ask a question if it relates to Ubuntu (keeping it all in a single line)
[02:27] <Guest99164> ya
[02:28] <Guest99164> i want develop my IRC
[02:28] <Guest99164> voice recognization
[02:28] <Guest99164> is avaliable on ubantu
[02:30] <RandLover> hello, if you could help me with moving partitions problem: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BYN96V5QBq/
[02:31] <RandLover> what i'd like to avoid is copying there and back, for my slow disk it's around hour
[02:33] <jmadero> RandLover: I wouldn't dd it
[02:33] <jmadero> I'd just cut and paste
[02:33] <RandLover> how so?
[02:33] <RandLover> copy/paste?
[02:33] <jmadero> looks like you already have /dev/sda1 which is empty
[02:33] <RandLover> yes
[02:33] <jmadero> I'd cut whatever is in /dev/sda5 into /dev/sda1
[02:34] <RandLover> by gparted?
[02:34] <jmadero> then just delete /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6
[02:34] <jmadero> no, by literally cutting and pasting (mv command in terminal)
[02:34] <RandLover> hm
[02:34] <RandLover> i'm noobish in this subject, will this preserve all files?
[02:35] <jmadero> if they are all just normal files it will, if you're paranoid, use rsync instead
[02:35] <jmadero> dd will be tedious, it's not necessary
[02:36] <jmadero> you could just do rsync and then compare the sizes at the end to confirm you've got it all
[02:36] <jmadero> and what do you mean that you don't want to lose the shape of the partition??
[02:36] <jmadero> what partition
[02:36] <RandLover> hmm i found similar solution, i didn't realise there's copy and paste in gparted
[02:36] <jmadero> you don't have to use gparted
[02:36] <jmadero> not for cut/paste
[02:37] <RandLover> and i was too dumb to realise that i don't need to copy back, just use different order
[02:48] <eblu> i'm assuming this is the right channel to ask my question in so i'll give it a go
[02:49] <eblu> so i accidentally nuked my home folder. the problem isn't the fact that i'm missing my files since i'm on a relatively new install but the fact that all of the folders are gone
[02:49] <eblu> i assumed just making a new folder and calling it "Documents" etc would fix the problem but judging by the fact that its icon isn't changing i might be missing something
[02:50] <eblu> so my question is how do i get the folders to come back?
[02:51] <bugzbunny> What files do you need back exactly?
[02:51] <eblu> just the directory structure
[02:52] <eblu> of course i could just make a new account but then i'd have to worry about all my logins and installed packages :P
[02:52] <bugzbunny> Bah, I am not on Ubuntu right now, I suspect you can check /etc/skel, could be the structure is created on first login
[02:53] <eblu> oh boy did my IRC kick the bucket
[02:53] <eblu> hm
[02:54] <eblu> oh doy it starts with a / :P
[02:54] <eblu> \/etc/skel contains nothing but hidden files (.bashrc, .config etc)
[02:54] <bugzbunny> \o/
[02:55] <eblu> could be just an ubuntu MATE thing but last i checked the channel was completely dead except for someone talking about UTC time
[02:55] <bugzbunny> You could wait around for a proper answer
[02:55] <bugzbunny> It's pretty active here, mean time GoogleFU might be useful
[02:56] <eblu> yeah i did try exercising my google-fu
[02:56] <eblu> closest i got was the /etc/skel but that didn't seem to work
[02:58] <bugzbunny> I guess you could re-create your user
[02:58] <bugzbunny> Since root is disabled, you would probably need alternative user with sudo privileges.
[02:59] <eblu> i have thought of that
[02:59] <eblu> however i have used this acc enough to warrant making a new one to not be worth the effort
[03:00] <eblu> also holy crap it's linux torvallman himself
[03:00] <eblu> anyway i'm signed in on multiple applications and have several packages installed, not to mention all of my configs
[03:01] <eblu> in addition, i have 2FA everywhere which makes it even more lengthy to just switch to a new account
[03:01] <eblu> so you can see where i'm coming from here
[03:02] <bugzbunny> yes, could always backup and restore
[03:02] <pekster> Hi folks, 17.10 user here with thin-provisioned LVM2 LVs including for the root-FS (not /boot or EFI of course.) I don't see `thin_repair` binary when I `update-initramfs -v -k all -u`, so do I need to add a new hook to supply this so `vgchange -ay` in the initramfs works correctly?
[03:03] <eblu> how would i backup all the config files that i have (chromium etc)?
[03:04] <bugzbunny> cp -R /home/user /home/backup
[03:04] <eblu> ...
[03:04] <eblu> wow how did i not figure that one out
[03:04] <bugzbunny> :)
[03:05] <learningc> What default command to check my ip?
[03:06] <bugzbunny> man ip
[03:06] <bugzbunny> Specifically ip help addr, IE, ip addr
[03:11] <President_Trump> hi
[03:12] <glitchd> no.
[03:16] <tavo> Hey
[03:17] <tavo> There is any aplication for Netflix in Linux?
[03:17] <tavo> I have ubuntu MATE
[03:18] <tavo> hi
[03:18] <eblu> not an expert, but if you're using firefox (the default) you will have to enable DRM in its settings
[03:18] <eblu> of course don't take my word for it, haven't used firefox in ages
[03:21] <tavo> Yes thanks
[03:21] <tavo> but
[03:22] <tavo> a program
[03:22] <tavo> for netflix
[03:24] <bugzbunny> AFAIK, Netflix only supports Google Chrome, even you enabled DRM in Firefox, you'll get an Error page
[03:24] <bugzbunny> I use Chromium (You'll need to do some hacks to get that working)
[03:26] <kuze01> tavo: Mate here also!
[03:26] <kuze01> Chromium, Midori and Firefox all crash on my system :)
[03:31] <bugzbunny> kuze01: Something is seriously wrong there
[03:31] <tavo> haha
[03:31] <tavo> why
[03:31] <kuze01> It's probably just from running out of ram
[03:32] <kuze01> or just the system is pretty unstable in general
[03:32] <bugzbunny> ahh
[03:32] <tavo> chromium don't work with netflix
[03:32] <tavo> for me
[03:32] <tavo> but firefox yes
[03:33] <tavo> in the normal ubuntu i can't open the ubuntu software center
[03:34] <kuze01> looking over my log... why did I uninstall firefox yet keep Chromium, what the ^$#% was I thinking
[03:34] <tavo> i hahaha
[03:34] <tavo> i install ubuntu mate and all work good
[03:35] <tavo> the store and drivers from wi-fi
[03:35] <kuze01> "keepass2 installed, unstable, ran sudo apt-get remove keepass2 1.30.2018"
[03:36] <kuze01> im kind of glad tho because well...if my keepass isnt on this system it cant get hacked now can it
[03:36] <tavo> what is the keepas
[03:36] <tavo> keepass
[03:38] <kuze01> passwordmanager
[03:38] <kuze01> aka myentirelifeinasmallfile
[03:38] <kuze01> mnonexistentlifeinasmallfile*
[03:40] <Kharma> I use lastpass.. I would be screwed without it
[03:40] <Kharma> thankfully.. I can get to my vault via web
[03:40] <tavo> ohh ok
[03:40] <tavo> it's secure?
[03:40] <tavo> keepass?
[03:41] <bugzbunny> It use Bitwarden
[03:41] <bugzbunny> Not feature complete doh and has it's own quirks :(
[03:45] <tavo> and bitwarden it's secure?
[03:45] <Kharma> Lastpass is solid
[03:46] <tavo> nice
[03:47] <bugzbunny> tavo: Just as secure as Lastpass
[03:48] <tavo> ok nice
[04:10] <RonWhoCares>  Is it possible to lock Ubuntu 16.04 desktop wallpaper (so you can't accidentlaly right click and change the image)
[04:11] <tavo> make a copy
[04:13] <kuze01> find the command that's actually changing the wallpaper and change to root?
[04:15] <kuze01> perms
[05:10] <pekster> If anyone lurking was curious, my LVM thin-provisioning issue was resolved with an initramfs hook of <https://gist.github.com/CzBiX/e5aec53a63fc12f7d50e> and manually calling `grub-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg`, plus disabling grub's splash
[05:10] <RandLover> hi. is there easy way to write 2 bootable iso on single cd-r and make a boot menu for select each one?
[05:15] <allizom> RandLover: has the cd-r got enough space for 1 image, let alone 2?
[05:15] <RandLover> yes
[05:16] <RandLover> it's dvd and images are 260MB and 70MB
[05:17] <allizom> you should read something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot, but adapt it to end up with an optical disk rather than a flash drive
[05:18] <RandLover> thank you
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> RandLover: dont you have a spare usb stick?
[05:21] <RandLover> i do
[05:28] <brian_> Hi guys I need a lot of help D;
[05:28] <brian_> I wanted to make a minimal installation of ubuntu
[05:28] <parteo> hello, ecryptfs has just recovered my folder in a directory under /tmp, but it gives an error 'this location could not be displayed', stating the reason that a file name was too long
[05:28] <brian_> so I installed ubuntu server
[05:29] <brian_> but it doesnt come with the tools needed to connect to a wireless network
[05:29] <brian_> what can i do?
[05:30] <brian_> I wanted to make a minimal installation of ubuntu, so I installed ubuntu server but it doesnt come with the tools needed to connect to a wireless network, what can I do?
[05:33] <brian_> help :( I wanted to make a minimal installation of ubuntu, so I installed ubuntu server but it doesnt come with the tools needed to connect to a wireless network, what can I do?
[05:35] <chengzimu> emmm
[05:35] <chengzimu> I think you need to connect to a wireless network
[05:36] <chengzimu> @brian_\
[05:37] <_jd> Morning Everyone, I got an error during update on Ubuntu 16.04, "Setting up openssh-server (1:7.2p2-4ubuntu2.4) ...". Any suggestion how to solve this?
[05:38] <brian_> @chengzimu how I do that?
[05:42] <EriC^> _jd: pastebin your error
[05:44] <_jd> EriC^: https://bpaste.net/show/1e1dd19f75ba
[05:46] <EriC^> _jd: try journalctl -xe
[05:47] <parteo> EriC^, hi, we talked some hours ago about my ecryptfs recovery
[05:47] <EriC^> parteo: hey, how'd it go?
[05:48] <_jd> EriC^: ssh.service: Unit entered failed state. and ssh.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. from systemd.
[05:49] <EriC^> _jd: try systemctl status ssh
[05:51] <parteo> EriC^, guess what happened? I let testdisk run for hours, and it completed the whole recovery. then, interestingly, I noticed the pile of encrypted files (typical private dir files) under '.Private' where I could not see anything before. so I happened to try again "ecryptfs-recover-private", and it fantastically displayed my complete home folder under /tmp....but...while I was transferring...
[05:51] <parteo> ...the home dir to an external drive, the machine shut off at 1/3 of the way!!!!
[05:51] <_jd> EriC^: https://bpaste.net/show/94f80b7c9a1f
[05:53] <EriC^> parteo: damn
[05:53] <EriC^> unlucky
[05:53] <parteo> it was running on battery, but I'd checked it and seen it over 90%..dont understand it..anyway, I still had the whole testdisk recovery folders and tried to recover them, which I could, too. ecryptfs has been successful here, too, but I can't view the files under /tmp, because it tells me that the file name is too long. how can I work around this?
[05:54] <EriC^> parteo: maybe it overheated or something
[05:54] <c0mrad3> I am trying to install ubuntu with encryption as mentioned in this answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/918021/encrypted-custom-install/918030#918030 but I am booting back to initramfs, Can some one please help me out on this ?
[05:54] <EriC^> parteo: /tmp gets removed on booting, something to remember
[05:57] <parteo> yes, possibly, so strange..EriC^, yes, I knew it was temporary dir, so I kept the power connected all the time, but when I saw 90% full, I just thought I could unplug it for a while...as I said, I still have the nearly-full testdisk recovery, and I could mount it with ecryptfs, but the contents of /tmp/xyztv file is not shown, with the error that 'file name too long
[05:57] <parteo> how can I work around this?
[05:58] <EriC^> parteo: try to mount it somewhere other than /tmp incase that helps
[05:59] <EriC^> try it manually using the --fnek and other command
[05:59] <parteo> EriC^ how can I do it? ecryptfs mounts only under /tmp
[06:03] <parteo> do you mean something like 'mount --bind /tmp/folder /home/user/home' ?
[06:04] <Guest55936> Hello everyone!
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> Guest55936: welcome
[06:06] <Guest55936> I was wondering if someone would be willing to help me out with a couple of partitioning questions that I had.
[06:11] <Guest55936> It is a bit of a long winded question so if anyone whould like to help me out here is the question that I posted on the ask ubuntu site but never got a response. https://tinyurl.com/y7boe3df
[06:11] <parteo> the latter mount command didnt help
[06:37] <parteo> EriC^ I just was able to check the saved part of the home folder before shutdown..'almost' all that I needed has been already saved :)
[06:43] <elichai2> Hey
[06:43] <chan201> hi
[06:43] <elichai2> I have Lenovo yoga 720,and when I cancel the secure boot in the bios Ubuntu (17.10) doesn't boot
[06:44] <c0mrad3> Is the syntax of /etc/crypttab `CryptDisk UUID=xxxx none luks,discard` correct ? I am getting a warning saying that invalid line in /etc/crypttab  what am I missing here ?
[06:53] <elichai2> Anyone?
[06:55] <elichai2> And than when I install nvidia driver I get a problem with secure boot
[06:56] <hateball> elichai2: how are you installing the nvidia driver?
[06:56] <hateball> if through the restricted driver gui, it should offer to disable the validation in the shim
[06:56] <elichai2> Via the ppa
[06:56] <elichai2> Nvidia-390
[06:56] <hateball> otherwise do it manually first
[06:57] <elichai2> It offers me something like that but then when I boot I get this weird blue screen about the shim key
[06:57] <elichai2> I thought I should disable secure boot from bios
[06:57] <elichai2> But then It doesn't boot
[06:57] <hateball> well if you dont need secure boot sure, but probably your system was installed with it
[06:57] <hateball> elichai2: you can disable the module validation tho with: sudo mokutil --disable-validation
[06:57] <hateball> elichai2: and then install the nvidia blob
[06:58] <elichai2> If I disable validation I'll be able to disable secure boot from bios?
[06:59] <hateball> elichai2: what it does is it disables the validation of modules in the bootloader shim
[06:59] <hateball> it doesnt touch the actual secure boot
[06:59] <hateball> but it allows the unsigned nvidia blob to load
[07:00] <elichai2> So it won't help me disable the secure boot?
[07:00] <hateball> elichai2: it makes so you dont have to disable it
[07:00] <ducasse> elichai2: after running mokutil, you need to reboot and choose to disable validation on that blue screen you saw
[07:01] <elichai2> I'll look for an article explaining the blue screen I can't figure out what's going on there
[07:03] <ducasse> elichai2: just read the menu, it's not hard
[07:40] <learningc> How to check my ip address at command line in ubuntu 17.10?
[07:42] <wreo> for local ip 'ip addr'
[07:42] <elichai2> ducasse: it worked. thanks!
[07:43] <ducasse> elichai2: np
[07:43] <wreo> not sure how you'd check your public ip using the command line
[07:43] <elichai2> now I have another problem, it seems like it's using the intel gpu instead of nvidia, and nvidia-settings is almost empty sudo lshw -c video
[07:43] <elichai2> * https://pastebin.com/MXbsVPU9\
[07:47] <elichai2> and nvidia-settings: https://pastebin.com/5H6NHRXL
[07:48] <desed> Hello everybody!
[08:00] <yutayu> how to search software for ubuntu mate?
[08:00] <yutayu> from desktop.
[08:01] <yutayu> there is boutique but I can not search browser like firefox
[08:02] <yutayu> I found the way,I should install software centre.
[08:02] <hateball> elichai2: do you have nvidia-prime installed?
[08:02] <elichai2> yes
[08:04] <elichai2> i'm trying this now, I just don't understand why they're blacklisting the drivers they're installing http://lenovolinux.blogspot.co.il/2016/05/bumblebee-on-lenovo-t440p-nvidia-gt.html?m=1
[08:05] <elichai2> I think the system still tries to access nouveau instead of the nvidia-driver https://pastebin.com/hzTfZWSg
[08:06] <hateball> elichai2: the nvidia packages should blacklist nouveau, even the ones from PPA
[08:18] <lorddoskias> hello are there any plans to provide compiler with -mindirect-branch=thunk-extern support in 16.04 ?
[08:34] <codebot_> does someone have a simple idea of what nspluginwrapper does? i googled it to see if it affects adobe reader in any manner, but not sure how to proceed from there.
[08:35] <hateball> codebot_: what do you mean?
[08:35] <hateball> it is used by firefox to load plugins
[08:36] <ngomes> how can i install package gcc-mips-linux-gnu ?
[08:37] <EriC^^> !info gcc-mips-linux-gnu
[08:38] <EriC^^> ngomes: sudo apt-get install gcc-mips-linux-gnu
[08:39] <ngomes> EriC^^, cannot locate
[08:39] <ngomes> EriC^^, maybe i need to add a special repository ?
[08:39] <EriC^^> ngomes: which ubuntu version do you have?
[08:40] <ngomes> EriC^^, 17.10
[08:40] <ngomes> EriC^^, i'm running live CD
[08:40] <EriC^^> ngomes: try sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt-get update
[08:40] <ngomes> ok
[08:50] <balanceliu> nice
[08:52] <pragomer> trying to install a gog game I get the error message
[08:52] <pragomer> error while loading shared libraries: libjson.so.0
[08:52] <pragomer> cannot find such a package under ubuntu 17.10
[08:52] <pragomer> any help?
[08:59] <hateball> pragomer: no instructions on GOG?
[09:00] <pragomer> sorry no
[09:01] <john2222> can someone help me
[09:03] <john2222> i guess not..
[09:04] <elichai2> somehow the intel 630 is better than my 1050, any ideas why this is happening? https://pastebin.com/WzDY7n6T (Ubuntu 17.10)
[09:05] <hateball> elichai2: glxgears is not a benchmark
[09:06] <elichai2> the glxgears fps doesn't mean anything?
[09:06] <codebot_> does someone know that nspluginwrapper might have a relationship with acroread? i looked it up and lost sight of how to proceed.
[09:06] <rvgate> elichai2, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Glxgears_is_not_a_Benchmark
[09:07] <eury> ubuntu developers hear me out, your distro looks aweful, i used to like ubuntu, but it looks completely rubbish, u keep updating all this security, system, fixes and stuff but never really mind the aweful look and feel of it. This is not an opinion it is a fact.
[09:07] <elichai2> so what should I use?
[09:07] <rvgate> elichai2, please read that page, it tells you everything you need
[09:07] <codebot_>  does someone know that nspluginwrapper might have a relationship with acroread? i looked it up and lost sight of how to proceed.
[09:07] <john2222_> can someone help me regarding hibernate file
[09:09] <codebot_> john2222_: yes what about it?
[09:10] <john2222_> codebot explain this line please
[09:10] <john2222_> mount | grep " / "    ;# Note your /dev/... on /
[09:13] <john2222_> anyone ?
[09:13] <codebot_> john2222_: grep searches for a given pattern within a file. so my guess is that it is looking for "/"
[09:13] <codebot_> john2222_: what are you trying to do with this command?
[09:14] <john2222_> @codebot https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2306178
[09:17] <elichai2> rvgate: I ran the Unigine, but is there a benchmakr that tells me the gpu details too? so I could be sure whats running it
[09:18] <adeeb__> yes
[09:19] <john2222_> codebot: u there?
[09:19] <adeeb__> yes
[09:19] <rvgate> john2222_, codebot_
[09:20] <hateball> elichai2: you can use glmark2
[09:20] <hateball> !info glmark2
[09:22] <codebot_> john2222_: did you read about sudo systemctl hibernate?
[09:25] <codebot_> can someone tell me is there a connection between nspluginwrapper and acroread?
[09:26] <hateball> codebot_: I told you, nspluginwrapper is used by firefox to load plugins
[09:26] <hateball> it's quite possible it loads adobe reader through such a plugin, but it doesnt have anything to do with adobe reader if you launch it by itself
[09:27] <codebot_> hateball: must have missed it. thanks. i launch it by myself. i'm having a problem with the read aloud option in in.
[09:27] <john2222_> ok i figured it out! yes systemctl messes up my system
[09:30] <spam312sn> Hi there. Does anybody know, in 18.04 it's possible to activate global menu in gnome as in unity and switch position of window control buttons to left? I used ubuntu too long and this update will be a bit unusual
[09:31] <hateball> codebot_: no idea how that works, if it even does. iirc adobe reader on linux is quite... ancient
[09:33] <__johan__> join #devialet
[09:38] <elichai2> is there a way to check touch screen inputs?
[09:42] <EriC^^> elichai2: xev maybe?
[09:43] <elichai2> i'll try
[09:50] <codebot_> my ubuntu lock screen initially looked like the default in ubuntu https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1301&bih=653&ei=LsK4WvnfBYrYvATpl7qYBw&q=ubuntu+lock+screen&oq=ubuntu+lock+s&gs_l=img.3.1.0l3j0i24k1l7.1049.4896.0.7035.18.15.0.1.1.0.246.1779.0j8j2.10.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..7.11.1780.0..35i39k1.0.8g7OCUfa9ZM#imgrc=TIHNVzQGx05znM: when the login panel was on the left sid of the screen. but for no apparent reason, it shows the login panel
[09:50] <codebot_>  on the center of the screen https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1301&bih=653&ei=LsK4WvnfBYrYvATpl7qYBw&q=ubuntu+lock+screen&oq=ubuntu+lock+s&gs_l=img.3.1.0l3j0i24k1l7.1049.4896.0.7035.18.15.0.1.1.0.246.1779.0j8j2.10.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..7.11.1780.0..35i39k1.0.8g7OCUfa9ZM#imgrc=Jy4zCYn91hhKwM:
[09:51] <codebot_> also, after locking, the screen suddenly goes dark without any delay. earlier it used to turn dark slowly.
[09:51] <codebot_> any ideas why it might be happening?
[09:55] <sergeyusoltsev> dude, shorten thy links please :)
[09:55] <codebot_> sergeyusoltsev: forgot to. will take of that. :)
[09:55] <bugzbunny> Does your IRC client supports clicking on links?
[09:56] <codebot_> bugzbunny: yes. it does.
[09:56] <bugzbunny> Bah, not on Linux atm
[09:56] <sergeyusoltsev> Nope, that's exactly why i'm asking
[09:57] <codebot_> codebot_: does anyone know something about the lock screen issue?
[09:58] <bugzbunny> I don't use screen savers...I just blank the screen
[09:58] <sergeyusoltsev> same
[10:01] <sergeyusoltsev> There should definetely be somebody who'll know that. What is the most proper way to map my xbacklight to fn+keys? using 0x from showkey? I'm using i3wm, so they're not there by default
[10:02] <sergeyusoltsev> i was messing with that some long ago once, but btw forgot everything
[10:02] <codebot_> bugzbunny: what do you mean by blank the screen?
[10:03] <bugzbunny> codebot_: Meaning, after a while, the OS will stop sending a signal to the monitor
[10:04] <bugzbunny> Most monitors will auto turn themselves off
[10:04] <codebot_> bugzbunny: so you don't manually do it?
[10:04] <codebot_> bugzbunny: that'd be called a screensaver if you'd manually do it i guess!!
[10:04] <bugzbunny> codebot_: For most Distributions, the ones I've used so far, are setup this way by default
[10:05] <bugzbunny> codebot_: No, it wouldn't, a screen save is a different application a lot together
[10:05] <bugzbunny> The Linux kernel itself is the one doing the blanking
[10:05] <bugzbunny> s/a lot/altogether/.
[10:05] <bugzbunny> Screen Savers, on modern systems, provides password locking
[10:06] <bugzbunny> Those are the cases I've seen people use Screen Savers
[10:06] <codebot_> bugzbunny: okay. i get it. i just blank the screen manually by pressing ctrl+Alt+Del. that locks the screen.
[10:06] <codebot_> bugzbunny: it blanks the screen as well as locks it.
[10:06] <bugzbunny> Or pricesily, the Kernel or Xorg
[10:07] <bugzbunny> That would be a screen saver doing that
[10:07] <bugzbunny> No idea what the actual program is exactly on Gnome
[10:07] <codebot_> codebot_: i didn't install any screensaver.
[10:07] <codebot_> bugzbunny:
[10:08] <codebot_> i didnt install any screensaver.
[10:08] <bugzbunny> Usually the DE comes with one by default
[10:08] <codebot_> okay.
[10:08] <guiverc> codebot_, did you change have your dm (desktop manager)? add another DEsktop? or change any software/configs (including adding software intended for a different version/OS)?
[10:09] <codebot_> guiverc: no i didn't change my dm. didn't add another Desktop. but i keep updating and upgrading through terminal. that's all.
[10:09] <codebot_> i use ubuntu 16.04
[10:21] <sergeyusoltsev> Hey everyone, why may showkey keycodes to not coincide with xev keycodes?
[10:21] <sergeyusoltsev> fn + left, fn + right just give me terribly different kc's
[10:22] <sergeyusoltsev> or is it a wrong channel to ask such a questions?
[10:22] <bugzbunny> !ignore
[10:22] <bugzbunny> Not it
[10:22] <GautamS> anyone knows a serif like font for the terminal?
[10:23] <GautamS> like that classical look
[10:23] <sergeyusoltsev> GautamS, Check out Hack, tis a good one
[10:23] <sergeyusoltsev> not serif though
[10:24] <sergeyusoltsev> monospace + serif is a strange one combination
[10:24] <GautamS> i just like the "English-feel" I get from reading whatever is written in serif
[10:25] <GautamS> everything reads so mature :P
[10:25] <guest-hcirgu> i
[10:25] <Simarillion> He may have a faulty d/l of ubuntu iso tomreyn, or it is a driver, either wifi/display, possible wrong desktop version (x32 instead of x64) or visa/versa. Boot with BIOS - Launch CSM
[10:27] <sergeyusoltsev> GautamS, Source Serif Pro then :-)
[10:27] <GautamS> sergeyusoltsev, wow thanks
[10:28] <sergeyusoltsev> np :) enjoy
[10:39] <Simarillion> Anyone who might know.. i ran alignment check with parted on my SSD partitions. parted returned the response that all 3 of my primary partitions arealigned correctly (my efi part is one of the 3 pri)
[10:40] <Simarillion> but - upon dbl chck with fdisk -lu irann the start
[10:40] <Simarillion> but - to dbl ck i ran fdisk -lu
[10:42] <Simarillion> getting a full array of what the partition table look like for each /dev/sd(x) partxn
[10:43] <pirx> hello! i just upgraded from 16.10 (desktop) to 17.10, and i miss how unity worked in the earlier version:) i dont like these "on the fly workspaces", and it seems that there are no possibility for e.g. sizing a window to 1/4th of the screen. does anyone know if i can get that behaviour back?
[10:44] <Simarillion> after the efi boot, none of my offsets divided by 4096 resolve to a whole number.
[10:45] <Simarillion> revert back to the previous version if all else fails.
[10:45] <Simarillion> I don't know.
[10:46] <alex__> salut
[10:46] <Simarillion> Someone here most likely will know.
[10:47] <alex__> reslaut
[10:52] <trigg> Is there a way to check if a given Ubuntu installation is a server/desktop install ?
[10:52] <Simarillion> Yes.
[10:53] <trigg> Simarillion, thanks. How can I do that ?
[10:54] <Simarillion> https://askubuntu.com/questions/758914/know-ubuntu-distribution-server-or-desktop (trigg)
[10:55] <cart_man> Hi everyone. When I set my WLAN0 interface to automatic on my raspberryPi I can use SSH, FTP and ping the PI BUT When I set it manually with exactly the same settings I can ping it but I cant SSH into it or use FTP on it ? Anybody got any ideas as to why this might happen?
[10:56] <Simarillion> Check firewall
[10:57] <LampGlow> ports conflicts/restrictions
[10:59] <cart_man> Simarillion : Ok but they work when on Auto
[10:59] <cart_man> LampGlow How do I check?
[11:01] <Simarillion> have you tried tracer route trigg
[11:02] <cart_man> nope
[11:02] <cart_man> How would I to check POrts thhough? Can you force tracrt to use port 21?
[11:02] <codebot__> guiverc: no i didn't change my dm. didn't add another Desktop. but i keep updating and upgrading through terminal. that's all.
[11:03] <Simarillion> i don't think your problem is dropped packets cart_man
[11:04] <cart_man> Simarillion Oh no I dont think that either
[11:04] <Simarillion> ping uses ICMP
[11:05] <Simarillion> icmp protocol, your other services use other protocols.
[11:08] <Simarillion> cart_man what are you trying to do initially
[11:08] <cart_man> Simarillion Really just log into my machine with a static IP OVER WIFI
[11:09] <Simarillion> sorry cart_man, i called you trigg earlier. Remote login, okay. hang on..let me check something
[11:11] <Simarillion> have you verified DNS (domain name server) is correct?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:12] <Simarillion> what about ipconfig /flushdns
[11:13] <Simarillion> Make sure you have Remote options ticked
[11:16] <Simarillion> Ignore that last line i sent you. Make sure your static ip addresses are set correctly.
[11:16] <Simarillion> Do you have a windows machine available to you cart_man?
[11:19] <Simarillion> do you have open ssh server installed cart_man
[11:22] <Simarillion> what program are you using to connect to remote server cart_man?
[11:23] <Simarillion> Oh well, good luck in any event cart_man. Someone smart will come along and give the answer you are looking for. I'm just reading posts and possible resolves from Ubuntu forums.
[11:24] <Simarillion> I hope you get it solved.
[11:25] <LampGlow> .учше
[11:27] <waffali> i have a video file i saved on linux but it won't open in windows vlc for some reason
[11:27] <waffali> i think it's security related can anyone helo
[11:27] <waffali> help
[11:28] <waffali> says bad file descriptor
[11:29] <guest598> fuck
[11:31] <pragmaticenigma> waffali, how are you accessing the file? did you copy it to the windows machine first?
[11:32] <Simarillion> hang around and someone who knows the answer may drop in and help you
[11:32] <waffali> hi
[11:32] <Simarillion> i don't have the answer you are looking for.
[11:32] <waffali> @pragmateic i am using ntfs partion
[11:32] <Simarillion> i'm lagging.
[11:32] <waffali> so i access file same way in linux and windows
[11:33] <waffali> for some reason also the extension is only listed as file
[11:33] <waffali> in windows
[11:33] <pragmaticenigma> waffali, you have a dual boot machine and a partition that is mounted to be accessed by both windows and ubuntu?
[11:33] <waffali> yes
[11:34] <waffali> i was wondering if it where some file security issue i dunno
[11:34] <cart_man> Simarillion Hi sorry my boss keeps on dragging me out of my office -.-
[11:34] <guiverc_d> waffali, posix/unix/Ubuntu doesn't use extensions; they use the contents of the file to determine filetype.  it could be the lack of extension is stopping vlc in windoze from using the file
[11:35] <Simarillion> S'ok cart_man
[11:35] <pragmaticenigma> depending on how the drive is mounted in ubuntu, it's possible the security permissions are preventing you from accessing the file. You should be able to right click the file in windows and change the permission there. or in ubuntu you can try using the command chmod 777 filename.mp4
[11:35] <Simarillion> are you accessing a remote windows machine/server via remote desktop
[11:35] <pragmaticenigma> guiverc_d, that isn't the problem
[11:36] <waffali> @prag I can't change security in windows
[11:36] <waffali> wont let me
[11:36] <waffali> that was the first think i tried
[11:36] <waffali> thing
[11:37] <cart_man> Simarillion No its a ubuntu machine im trying to access from windows
[11:37] <Simarillion> Ok, now we are getting somewhere, hang on a sec.
[11:38] <pragmaticenigma> waffali, then try the second option I offered
[11:38] <pragmaticenigma> waffali, if that doesn't work. then the file is corrupt
[11:38] <waffali> k sec
[11:39] <cart_man> Simarillion Its a headles machine that can only be accessed by SSH ...or supose to be but because I now have a keyboard connected to it and screen
[11:39] <Simarillion> you have to allow remote connections in your computer properties in windows (what version of windows are you running, cart_man?
[11:40] <cart_man> Simarillion Its windows 7
[11:40] <Simarillion> Ok..great.
[11:40] <superh> skyline wind solar
[11:40] <superh> hoff and puff
[11:41] <superh> blowing it down
[11:41] <superh> hitting that spot
[11:41] <superh> gman in the mix huh
[11:42] <Simarillion> this could be the problem and its relavant. https://askubuntu.com/questions/3934/is-it-possible-to-use-remote-desktop-from-windows-7-to-ubuntu
[11:42] <superh> 7s baCk door is hurting
[11:42] <Simarillion> yep.
[11:43] <Tin_man> why not just use teamviewer.. it workks from windows on a headless system. I run one.
[11:43] <superh> someone has loaded linux on this laptop it suck
[11:43] <waffali> s this the correct way to change file permissons? find . -type f -exec chmod 777 {} \;
[11:44] <superh> no 777 davied sucks
[11:44] <Simarillion> xrdp development fell behind and now Windows 7 is lamed. VNC is he way to go there.
[11:44] <superh> you no i just like to watch porn lololo
[11:45] <Simarillion> And thank you, Tin_man.
[11:45] <Tin_man> np
[11:45] <superh> lol
[11:45] <Simarillion> Help cart_man, if you can.
[11:45] <Simarillion> superh, go watch it somewhere else..
[11:46] <superh> i can help a lot but some get pissed
[11:46] <superh> hacker jacker
[11:46] <cart_man> Tin_man Hey. AHm cause I have been using SSH for ages and rarely evenr had a problem like this before
[11:47] <superh> bateman is cool
[11:47] <Tin_man> is the ubuntu computer a server, or a gui OS?
[11:47] <superh> backdoor hacker jacker thivers
[11:47] <cart_man> Tin_man, Its a GUI for now but will go CMD only when online
[11:48] <superh> yeah had to kill that russel
[11:48] <superh> just a ankel bitter
[11:48] <superh> sandra ho ass
[11:48] <Tin_man> I'd just install teamviewer for ubuntu on it, and install teamviewer for windows, and connect.
[11:49] <superh> kennesaw kb s is going down next
[11:49] <superh> f pool '
[11:49] <superh> nam suck
[11:49] <Simarillion> as, i said, if you are patient, some one sharp will come along, you will get served
[11:50] <superh> kcool
[11:52] <waffali> ubuntu wont let me change file permisons
[11:54] <V7> Hey all
[11:54] <V7> Is there any way to clear screen in apcalc ?
[11:54] <V7> waffali: Do you have perms to change perms ?
[11:55] <waffali> lol i can't see peoples nicks anymore i dunno i should do its my computer
[11:55] <V7> waffali: ?
[11:55] <V7> What client do you use ?
[11:56] <waffali> kiwiw online irc actually i think its because you had multiple lines
[11:56] <waffali> i did recently rollback my linux install
[11:57] <superh> asfalt
[11:57] <waffali> so maybe that is why i cant change permisons
[11:57] <superh> cw
[11:57] <waffali> i right click file try to change and it just pops back to previous setting
[11:58] <superh> i no like changes
[11:58] <waffali> yes :(
[11:58] <superh> ? :) go a text with ending
[11:59] <waffali> ?
[11:59] <V7> waffali: Open console
[11:59] <waffali> k
[11:59] <superh> b8b3:)
[11:59] <V7> waffali: cd to your directory with these files and execute "ls -l"
[11:59] <waffali> sec
[12:00] <Tin_man> superh, keep quiet for awhile, maybe take a nap. or go watch cookies bake in your mom's oven..
[12:00] <Simarillion> superh what do you know about aligning linux partitions on an ssd?
[12:00] <waffali> -rwx------
[12:00] <V7> what're owner and group ?
[12:01] <waffali> it says waffali waffali
[12:01] <superh> this got sent to me cell http://b8b3.pw/2q:0
[12:01] <V7> Strange.
[12:01] <superh> :)
[12:02] <V7> Try: chmod 777 * -R
[12:02] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | superh
[12:02] <V7> If this doesn't work then "sudo chmod 777 * -R"
[12:02] <V7> Also, notice that this will change perms for all files in this directory reveresed
[12:02] <waffali> @v7 ok does that work withh all files in directory?
[12:02] <waffali> ah ok
[12:03] <V7> Also 777 means that everyone will get an access to them
[12:03] <superh> installs some but not all going to try a better connection
[12:03] <V7> So use this only to change for a while and change them norlammy after that
[12:03] <V7> To normal *
[12:04] <waffali> @v7 no change does not seem to work
[12:06] <us> hello
[12:06] <waffali> i can change permisons on my linux main partion
[12:06] <us> ok
[12:07] <akik> waffali: for ntfs mounts you can't use the linux permissions directly
[12:07] <us> thank
[12:07] <akik> waffali: ensure that  the ntfs mount is done with your username
[12:07] <waffali> k trouble is i'm trying to playback some video and music files ony my windows pc
[12:08] <waffali> they playback on linux fine but on windows bad file descriptor
[12:08] <akik> waffali: the mount should define options uid and gid
[12:08] <V7> waffali: oh
[12:08] <V7> So you're trying to change perms on other partition ?
[12:08] <waffali> @v7 yes
[12:09] <waffali> @akik how do i check that?
[12:09] <V7> as akik already has been told. NTFS doesn't support linux perms
[12:09] <waffali> k someone told me i had to do that to get the files working on windows
[12:09] <akik> waffali: not sure about your problem if you can read the files in linux
[12:09] <V7> waffali: sudo parted -l
[12:10] <V7> Check "File system" column
[12:10] <V7> waffali: ok
[12:10] <waffali> everything is ntfs
[12:10] <V7> What's your actual problem ?
[12:11] <waffali> I can't playback certain files in windows 10  vlc player i get bad file decriptor
[12:11] <waffali> also the files have no ext only file
[12:11] <waffali> the filename contains the extension though
[12:11] <V7> So, you have dual boot
[12:11] <waffali> yes
[12:11] <V7> Am I right ?
[12:11] <waffali> 100%
[12:11] <V7> Can you play these files in linux ?
[12:11] <waffali> yes
[12:12] <waffali> using vlc
[12:12] <waffali> well anything
[12:12] <V7> And when you're in windows the same files can't be played ?
[12:12] <waffali> yes bad file descriptor
[12:13] <waffali> its not all files btw
[12:13] <waffali> just some
[12:13] <waffali> well alot of some files
[12:13] <Tin_man> that one file might be corrupt.
[12:13] <akik> waffali: can you run a file system scan in windows for that partition?
[12:13] <V7> Hm. What's your linux partition ?
[12:13] <waffali> i dunno is there a way to scan for corruption?
[12:13] <waffali> i ran scandisk
[12:13] <waffali> said it was ok
[12:14] <waffali> @v7 my linux partion is ext4
[12:14] <V7> Hm. This might be something with windows
[12:14] <waffali> sec
[12:14] <V7> Please, go to #windows channel and try ask them
[12:14] <Tin_man> copy it from your linux partition, to your windows partition and see if it works on windows.
[12:15] <waffali> @tin_man the files are on an external ntfs partion on a diffrent hard drive
[12:16] <Tin_man> i can run any video file on my linux machines from windows just fine.
[12:16] <waffali> hang on
[12:16] <V7> waffali: try #windows
[12:16] <Tin_man> ##windows
[12:17] <waffali> i tried to copy the file to the linux partion and it will let me change permisons
[12:17] <waffali> so maybe that would work
[12:17] <V7> waffali: This won't work
[12:17] <V7> It's meaningless
[12:17] <waffali> k
[12:17] <V7> mb
[12:18] <waffali> :( if my bluetooth headphones worked in linux maybe i could stick to using ubuntu
[12:18] <V7> waffali: Why you think that they doesn't work ?
[12:18] <waffali> no sound using high fedality mode
[12:19] <V7> waffali: https://askubuntu.com/questions/259354/how-do-i-connect-to-my-bluetooth-headset
[12:19] <waffali> they are connected
[12:19] <V7> Try blueman
[12:19] <waffali> they just produce no sound in a2dp
[12:19] <waffali> @v7 i try that before and it complety break them
[12:19] <waffali> so i rolled back linux install
[12:19] <V7> waffali: https://askubuntu.com/questions/775523/after-updating-to-16-04-bluetooth-audio-a2dp-mode-stopped-working
[12:20] <waffali> i am using 12:04 because 16-04 breaks my hdd
[12:20] <waffali> 14-04 as well
[12:20] <Simarillion> if 'parted' says my partitions are aligned after running align-check, but fdisk -lu offsets, when divided by 4096, return a quotient that has a remainder
[12:20] <waffali> they only work in mono mode
[12:20] <waffali> which makes them sound terrible
[12:21] <waffali> so it's wither fix headphones or fix files to play in windows
[12:21] <waffali> either
[12:22] <waffali> anways thankyou for trying to help me
[12:26] <Simarillion> resize the partitions and re-align to cylinder and then align to MiB as per Lifehacker.
[12:27] <Simarillion> OEM stated not to use discard/noatime command line
[12:28] <Simarillion> using GParted Live CD
[12:29] <Simarillion> Tin_man you are a good sort.
[12:30] <Tin_man> to bad waffali left I think i found the problem. It's a setting in VLC that needs changed. Oh well.
[12:30] <denis_> bonjour
[12:30] <Simarillion> Oh rats.
[12:31] <Simarillion> Well, you put forth good effort.
[12:31] <akik> Tin_man: which setting do you mean? the error message bad file descriptor implies a file system problem
[12:32] <Tin_man> i just searched "bad file descriptor" and "VLC" and there is a couple of fixes listed..
[12:33] <Tin_man> maybe would of helped, maybe not.. won't know now..
[12:33] <Simarillion> I wish i could help him but i have my own question but i don't like to be a needy lump.
[12:33] <Simarillion> I know nothing about VLC.
[12:34] <Tin_man> normally there is an abundance of help here, I'm not much help, just certain things that I can keep up with.  Much smarter people here than myself..
[12:34] <Simarillion> you seem pretty adept to me.
[12:35] <Simarillion> I'm stuck with alignment issues on an older SSD.
[12:36] <Simarillion> I don't trust the kids to fool around taking stabs at partitioning a ssd.
[12:36] <Tin_man> don't know anything about SSD's, only that I'd like to get one someday.. it's on my wish list.
[12:36] <Simarillion> We have several but nothing new (bought in 2013,2015 and nothing over 256 GB)
[12:37] <Simarillion> You can buy them rather cheaply now (several Intel, and one Toshiba thin drive).
[12:38] <Tin_man> there affordable now, just can't find it in my budget, to many home projects i'm doing now.
[12:38] <Simarillion> Here to.
[12:39] <Simarillion> Lots on the old 2Do.
[12:39] <Tin_man> here also, wife is really good at keeping that list full.
[12:41] <diego_> Hi, I am new to ubuntu, I installed a .deb package using the software GUI application but it didn't create an icon in the apps drawer.
[12:41] <Simarillion> We do them when we can pay cash to complete. This is the last year i'm doing any improvements.
[12:41] <diego_> What do I need to do to run the app?
[12:41] <Simarillion> Preventative maintenance or not at all.
[12:41] <Tin_man> same here, no cash, no project..
[12:42] <diego_> I have found where the app files are : /opt but don't know how to run it
[12:42] <Tin_man> what application?
[12:42] <diego_> It's a mysql client built on electron https://electronjs.org/apps/teamsql
[12:42] <Tin_man> if it installed correct, it should be in your menu system some place.
[12:43] <Simarillion> dpkg  apt-get, aptitude
[12:43] <diego_> I'm running ubuntu 17.10 with gnome, I only know the show application drawer but it's not there, I'm confused.
[12:44] <Tin_man> might try running it from terminal.
[12:44] <Simarillion> sudo dpkg -i DEB PACKAGE
[12:45] <diego_> okay i'll try that,  is DEB PACKAGE the file path ?
[12:45] <Simarillion> from terminal
[12:45] <Simarillion> it ends in .deb
[12:46] <diego_> Okay it has run successfully apparently
[12:47] <diego_> and it has created an icon in the applications drawer, exiting! but it doesn't seem to work when I click it.. nothing happens.
[12:47] <Simarillion> to check do this: if dpkg --check *.deb == True
[12:47] <Simarillion>    dpkg -i *.deb
[12:47] <Simarillion> else
[12:47] <Simarillion>    perror
[12:47] <diego_> Yeah the package ended with .deb
[12:47] <Simarillion> It may have dependencies..needs other files that belong
[12:48] <Simarillion> or are needed for that particular Debian software package.
[12:48] <diego_> How would you install the dependencies ?
[12:49] <Simarillion> you have to determine what dependecies are required by that package..hang on a moment
[12:49] <diego_> thanks
[12:50] <Simarillion> sudo dpkg -L <package_name>
[12:51] <Simarillion> diego do you know the name of the Debian package you installed?
[12:51] <diego_> okay, trying that now
[12:51] <diego_> Not really, I typed the path to the .deb file and that seemed to work, is that what I should be using ?
[12:51] <Simarillion> what is the name of the .Deb pckg you installed
[12:52] <diego_> TeamSQL-3.2.187.deb
[12:52] <Simarillion> Ok, hang on just a moment more
[12:54] <Simarillion> diego, you want this for Arch Linux, right?
[12:55] <Simarillion> read this link it lists all the dependencies for TeamSQL-3.4.187.deb
[12:55] <diego_> for ubuntu
[12:56] <Simarillion> okay, here is link: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/teamsql/
[12:57] <diego_> Okay thanks, do I just run apt get install for each of those ?
[12:57] <Simarillion> the dependencies for that Deb package are listed on this page https://teamsql.io/
[12:58] <akik> arch linux package info can be used in ubuntu?
[12:58] <Simarillion> Teamsql.io
[12:59] <diego_> I can't find them there, are they listed on the homepage?
[13:00] <Simarillion> dependencies field can be extracted with the following command: dpkg -I <name>.deb.
[13:00] <diego_> Is there a command I can run to install them, maybe using dpkg ?
[13:01] <Simarillion>  dpkg -I TEAMSQL-3.2.187.deb
[13:01] <diego_> okay run that, it has given me some information but nothing got installed
[13:01] <Simarillion> it gives you the name of the dependencies before you install them.
[13:02] <Simarillion> you might want to write them down for reference.
[13:02] <Simarillion> Did the command fully list the dependencies for you.
[13:03] <diego_> I think so, it listed things such as postrm and md5sums, I assume those are the dependencies
[13:03] <Simarillion> If that didn't list them then check: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[13:03] <diego_> would be good if there was a way to install them all at once, maybe a dpkg command
[13:05] <Simarillion> sometimes these packages are not always reliable, and you want to do some research on the stability of the package and its' dependencies (Debian or not)
[13:05] <diego_> How do you actually install depencendies, do you run apt get install for each of them Simarillion?
[13:08] <Simarillion> sudo apt-get install -f (BUT 1st review the Deb package and check reported stability/reviews)
[13:10] <diego_> It didn't list the dependencies..... also I cannot find the package at https://packages.ubuntu.com
[13:10] <diego_> God, I thought I'd give linux a go but jeez
[13:10] <Simarillion> Just type: sudo apt-get install -f
[13:10] <diego_> I would have thought I could run one command to install the .deb package
[13:11] <diego_> It said there is nothing to install
[13:11] <diego_> Do I have to pass it any arguments ?
[13:12] <Simarillion> No different than installing windows apps that have *.dll dependencies (Dynamic Link Libraries)
[13:12] <diego_> I really want to try it out....
[13:12] <diego_> If I can just install a small mysql client without becaming an expert, it would be great
[13:13] <Simarillion> I'm old but i know it is always a good idea to check things out before you throw a wrench into your OS
[13:13] <Rathdeas> Hi Just joined channel, What are you trying install
[13:13] <Simarillion> Go ahead Rathdeas
[13:13] <diego_> I am trying to install this application in ubuntu 17.10 https://teamsql.io/
[13:13] <Simarillion> diego wants to install a debian package but it is missing some dependencies.
[13:14] <pragmaticenigma> HOLD UP!!!
[13:14] <Simarillion> thank you pragmaticenigma!
[13:14] <Tin_man> diego_, have you used Workbench, that will give you a good starting place with MySql.
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> diego_, we cannot support a package that was not installed via the built in package manager. You need to contact TeamSQL for installation instructions. Installation of 3rd party .deb is not something we can support in this channel.
[13:15] <diego_> Yeah, I don't like the UI that much, I'd rather use TeamSQL
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> *we cannot support here
[13:15] <Simarillion> Thank you.
[13:16] <diego_> Alrighty, well, I gave it a fair shot. Thanks for the help anyway.
[13:17] <Simarillion> pragmaticenigma is the authority. Take that for word.
[13:18] <Simarillion> Better safe than sorry. I gave you the TEAMSQL link.
[13:19] <diego_> Well workbench did install pretty quickly so that'll do for now, cheers!
[13:20] <Simarillion> bye diego
[13:20] <pragmaticenigma> I am not the authority here, not in any way shape or form. What just transpired is the reason 3rd party .deb and 3rd party PPAs are not supported here. They break systems, they often do not adhere to community standards of deployment (i.e. installing so application launchers can find them), and overall make assumptions about the user that break other components
[13:21] <Simarillion> I tried to tell him that.
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> My suggestion is to say it once and then politely discontinue the conversation
[13:22] <Simarillion> I read very carefully about Debian and 3rd party.
[13:22] <Simarillion> Committed to memory for safe keeping.
[13:23] <Simarillion> I avoid them, as they did bust my Ubuntu 12.04 box rather efficiently.
[13:23] <BluesKaj> the trick is to the ppa to install the app,  then immediately afterwards delete the ppa from /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[13:24] <BluesKaj> remove the ppa
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj, that still doesn't help. The PPA may still have updates within it that conflict with the Ubuntu support PPAs
[13:24] <Simarillion> orphan packages..sometimes there are remnants of 3rd party
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> BluesKaj, they will install as dependencies before you have the chance to remove them
[13:25] <Simarillion> yep
[13:25] <Simarillion> then it's a real mess.
[13:25] <Simarillion> back to the installation blackboard
[13:26] <Alcatrone> so... the recommend way is no 3rd party PPA?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> some do some don't, depends on whether the ppa is a backport or not
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> Alcatrone, Using 3rd party PPAs is at your own risk
[13:26] <BluesKaj> 3rd party..guess I missed that
[13:26] <Simarillion> Thank you for your mediation.
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> i use a few 3rd party PPAs, however I have made sure they are designed to work with Ubuntu releases and the maintainer only includes their packages, and not rebuilt packages already available in Ubuntu repository.
[13:27] <Simarillion> Even the Arch Linux website refers seekers of .Deb packages to their originators.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> I use some from launchpad like staging etc , but they're for testing dev OSs
[13:28] <Simarillion> i was just sitting here waiting for help myself.
[13:28] <pragmaticenigma> The smart thing is if you have a spare machine or VM is test there, make sure it doesn't break things... when you're satisfied, then move to installing it on your primary machine
[13:29] <Simarillion> I agree. Run it on a VM. Spare yourself the headaches and lost time.
[13:29] <Simarillion> i have a valid ubuntu question
[13:29] <Alcatrone> and remove it after installing what you need or leave it?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> vms are just as irritating as the real thing ... I avoid them like the plague :-)
[13:30] <pragmaticenigma> Alcatrone, if you properly tested, you can leave it
[13:30] <Simarillion> My install of Ubuntu is UEFI/GPT
[13:31] <BluesKaj> most are these days
[13:32] <Simarillion> On a laptop: I partioned the ssd (3 primary partitions), EFI Partition (Pri) FAT32, "/" system (Pri) Ext4, "/home" (Pri) Ext4
[13:32] <Simarillion> No swap (no hibernation)
[13:33] <Simarillion> I employed parted to check-align all  partitions
[13:34] <Simarillion> 'parted' result was that all 3 partitions were aligned accordingly.
[13:35] <Simarillion> I ran fdisk -lu and the informations regarding offset on each partition
[13:37] <diego_> I just want to say that the bye diego comment was not something I was expenting from the linux community Simarillion.
[13:37] <diego_> But at least you can take a look at yourself and how you treat people that come here looking for help. You are an example mate
[13:37] <diego_> I'm sure you don't speak for everyone here though
[13:38] <diego_> bye now
[13:38] <Simarillion> when divided by 4096, return a quotient that has a remander
[13:39] <Simarillion> I had to go and research my own question diego, sometimes
[13:39] <Simarillion> you said cheers i thought you were meant farewell.
[13:40] <Simarillion> No disregard on my part.
[13:40] <Simarillion> I am here to get help
[13:41] <Simarillion> I am not an operator.
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> Simarillion, is anything reporting an error about the disks?
[13:41] <Simarillion> No pragmaticenigma
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> Simarillion: I guess I'm not sure about the concern then?
[13:42] <Simarillion> No errors other than concern for wear on the SSD. OEM say do not employ discard or noatime.
[13:43] <pragmaticenigma> Simarillion, with built in wear leveling of newer drives, that's become somewhat out-dated advice
[13:43] <Gargravarr> hi gents, anyone good with SSSD? it seems to be the culprit stopping my XPSen booting up on Xenial
[13:44] <Simarillion> Thank you. I was concerned as a post in the ubuntu forum stated that sometimes hardware reports are not accurate re: alignment.
[13:44] <Simarillion> I feel worlds better.
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> Simarillion, the noatime options prevents the filesystem from updating the last accessed date on the file descriptor. discard is uaully done on all disks and just means don't overwrite the file space, just free it on delete
[13:44] <Simarillion> Can i disable journalizing
[13:45] <Simarillion> *journaling*
[13:45] <aryehw> quit
[13:45] <tomreyn> what is an "XPSen"?
[13:45] <pragmaticenigma> Simarillion, you can, but risk losing data on system crashes
[13:45] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: ^
[13:45] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: plural of XPS :) Dell laptops
[13:46] <Simarillion> I rarely keep any data that isn't kept on a separate hdd on the machine.
[13:46] <pragmaticenigma> Gargravarr: side note, not everyone understands acronyms, it's best to avoid them
[13:46] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: i see. and you have sssd installed on them, and somehow this makes them not boot properly? what's the output / error message, where does it stop to load, what is the sssd configuration, which daemons are you using?
[13:46] <Gargravarr> pragmaticenigma: duly noted
[13:46] <Simarillion> Thank you greatly practicenigma. I've hope for the answer to this question for several days now.
[13:47] <tomreyn> s/daemons/backends/
[13:47] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: i'm using SSSD for LDAP auth. i get no error messages, but shortly after the services begin to load (behind Plymouth, or if i ESC out of the boot splash and watch it in text mode), the whole boot sequence freezes
[13:47] <Gargravarr> no entries in any of the logs
[13:47] <Gargravarr> no error messages to the console
[13:47] <Simarillion> I will lookup how to disable journalizing in ubuntu community/ask ubuntu. I won't trouble channel with it.
[13:48] <Gargravarr> but disabling the SSSD service and rebooting has brought up the login prompt
[13:48] <geoffmcc> join #ubuntu-server
[13:48] <geoffmcc> oops
[13:48] <Simarillion> Thank you, and thank you for keeping me in the loop about channel regs.
[13:49] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: i'm not actually too familar with sssd, i'm afraid. which logs have you inspected? have you tested that network communication to the ldap server works from these systems?
[13:50] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: all the machines are on the same LAN, and i have this working on other systems (including the machine i'm typing this on). SSSD shouldn't really come into play until the login screen appears.
[13:50] <Gargravarr> i've inspected all the logs in /var/log - none of them show modification times past the time the machine was installed
[13:50] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: you should probably post your sssd configurations (replacing identifying details such as hostnames and ip addresses, and user names / passwords) to a pastebin to have soemone review it.
[13:51] <Gargravarr> i can do that
[13:51] <Simarillion> Back to ubuntu forums. Cheery bye.
[13:51] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: i am probably not qualified to review them but maybe someone else here (or elsewhere, is there an asssd channel?) is.
[13:52] <Zajt> Hey! I run: sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y, but still get: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: permission denied)
[13:52] <Zajt> Why?
[13:53] <tomreyn> Zajt: because sudo only applies to the first command, not the second
[13:54] <Zajt> okay thanks will try running them seperately tomreyn
[13:55] <Zajt> ty it worked
[13:55] <Gargravarr> Zajt: you can also do && sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:55] <Gargravarr> but yes, you need to 'sudo' both commands
[13:55] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/yYquCF0N in case you want to read
[13:57] <Gargravarr> LDAP backend is a trio of OpenLDAP servers in multi-master replication behind a round-robin DNS (i.e. it doesn't matter which of the 3 machines it hits, they're all in sync)
[13:58] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: and the configuration on the systems which work fine is the same?
[13:59] <Gargravarr> yes, this config file is part of my automated system deployment
[13:59] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: you said the XPS systems stop booting up , where exactly?
[13:59] <Gargravarr> all our machines have FDE, so it's about 5 seconds after confirming the FDE password
[13:59] <tomreyn> oh you said so, sorry
[14:00] <chengzimu> emm
[14:00] <Gargravarr> the Plymouth boot splash just freezes on the Ubuntu logo
[14:00] <chengzimu> hello？
[14:00] <Gargravarr> hello chengzimu
[14:00] <black_13> how do i set my remotedesktop password
[14:00] <Gargravarr> if i ESC out of the Plymouth screen before it freezes, i can see normal services starting
[14:00] <chengzimu> who can tell me how to setup .rpm ?
[14:00] <Gargravarr> then again, it just locks up, doesn't respond to C-A-D and i have to hard-reset
[14:00] <chengzimu> and
[14:00] <chengzimu> must
[14:01] <chengzimu> to setup
[14:01] <Gargravarr> chengzimu: not sure what you want .rpm for, Ubuntu is .deb-based
[14:01] <Gargravarr> if you have a .rpm you want to install, look at alien
[14:01] <tomreyn> black_13: remote desktop is a protocol used to connect to rdp servers, who also control authentication, so you'll need to make the rdp server know your login credentials
[14:01] <BluesKaj> and let it break your system
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Gargravarr,^
[14:02] <Gargravarr> BluesKaj: yes, i was about to say, your mileage may vary :)
[14:02] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: that's weird, i don't see how sssd would cause the system to freeze.
[14:02] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: i don't get it either
[14:02] <frankmorris> 
[14:02] <Gargravarr> because as far as i can tell, SSSD isn't even started at that point because it depends on network, and network hasn't started at the point it freezes
[14:02] <Harmageddon> Hey everyone! I'm trying to restore my home directory from a deja-dup backup via Live CD. As the backup does not only include the home directory, and I don't want to restore it to the "home" on the Live CD, but to a certain partition/location, I can do nor the full restore, neither the one over the right-click context menu in Nautilus. Can anybody point me the right direction on how to partially restore a backup to a chosen loca
[14:03] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: have you done an fsck on them?
[14:03] <Gargravarr> Harmageddon: Deja-dup is a frontend to duplicity, a command-line tool. try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto#Restore
[14:03] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: yep
[14:04] <Gargravarr> so i've disabled the SSSD service and the laptop booted fine, i'm logged in as local root now
[14:04] <Gargravarr> also, i started the SSSD service without errors
[14:04] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: maybe have them boot up with a serial console attached.
[14:05] <Gargravarr> and 'getent passwd' is showing all my LDAP users
[14:05] <tomreyn> + try bios updates
[14:05] <Gargravarr> is that even possible with modern hardware?
[14:05] <tomreyn> usually via usb, yes. also if they have intel amt.
[14:06] <Gargravarr> i think our machines all have AMT disabled (and for a good reason...)
[14:06] <Gargravarr> BIOS is the latest version from Dell
[14:06] <tomreyn> i wouldnt want to use it either
[14:06] <tomreyn> except temporarily for testing maybe
[14:06] <Gargravarr> indeed, the downsides outweigh the benefits even in this instance
[14:07] <tomreyn> it could still be a hardware issue, so i'd look into that. the behavior is so weird that that's all i can think of.
[14:07] <Gargravarr> indeed. trouble is, this is happening on more than one laptop
[14:07] <Gargravarr> some of the XPSen are fine
[14:07] <Gargravarr> but i have two (from totally different batches) displaying this problem
[14:08] <tomreyn> those which fail, were they acquired at the same time?
[14:08] <Gargravarr> no
[14:08] <tjg> \join #haskell
[14:08] <tomreyn> okay, i'm out of ideas then. :-/
[14:08] <Gargravarr> thanks for trying
[14:08] <tomreyn> tjg: forward slash
[14:08] <Gargravarr> glad i'm not the only one stumped by this!
[14:09] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: good luck :-/
[14:09] <Gargravarr> anyone else know much about SSSD or where i could ask for help?
[14:09] <ducasse> Gargravarr: #ubuntu-srever, maybe
[14:09] <ducasse> *server
[14:11] <tjg> tomreyn: thanks   ;(
[14:11] <francisv>  Hi.  I just got a new keyboard with US layout.  I used to have a nordic keyboard layout, which has special characters.  How do I enter special characters in Ubuntu 17.10?  This is the keyboard I am using: https://matias.store/products/ergo-pro-keyboard-for-mac-low-force-edition
[14:12] <francisv> I prefer to type a combination of keys, than changing the layout of the keyboard.\
[14:13] <tomreyn> Gargravarr: maybe look into systemd-analyze, too https://debian-administration.org/article/722/Analysing_performance_problems_with_systemd
[14:14] <francisv> In this page you can see the layout of this keyboard: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/usa-ergo-pro-low-force-pc-ergonomic-keyboard.asp
[14:14] <zanshin> francisv: https://superuser.com/questions/196673/producing-a-specific-ascii-character-in-ubuntu#197095
[14:14] <dumhed> @francisv, is this what your looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/tips-specialchars.html
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, Take a look at this help page, I think it's what you are looking for https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/tips-specialchars.html
[14:15] <francisv> thank you three.  I will take a look at those pages now
[14:17] <tomreyn> ὤ
[14:18] <tomreyn> francisv: code points is probably what you want
[14:23] <rubick> did something change with openldap? I can no longer do simple auth with ldapsearch. It's defaulting to sasl auth.
[14:24] <Gargravarr> rubick: it's always been that way
[14:24] <Gargravarr> you have to explicitly specify -x
[14:25] <rubick> Even with the -x option it's trying to use sasl auth
[14:25] <Gargravarr> it shouldn't, unless you're also specifying -Y, or have something in your .ldaprc
[14:26] <Gargravarr> tomreyn: interesting, TTY has just frozen on this laptop with SSSD running
[14:26] <peter2222> hi folks
[14:26] <peter2222> anybody familiar with parallel-rsync?
[14:27] <peter2222> is there a --delete option like in rsync?
[14:31] <tomreyn> peter2222: according to its man page (also available at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/parallel-rsync.1.html ) you should be using -x or -X
[14:32] <tomreyn> (and yes parallel-rsync is probably not a "parallel process kill program" :-) )
[14:33] <peter2222> tomreyn thank you so much... is it like -x '--delete'?
[14:35] <tomreyn> peter2222: i never used it. i would assume it is: -x delete
[14:49] <francisv> the compositor key configured in the Tweaks application made the trick.  Thank you.
[14:50] <rubick> still trying to get ldapsearch to use simple auth. I've discovered if I use ldaps it requires sasl auth. If I use TLS I can do simple auth or sasl auth. Simple auth over ssl was working last week. Did something change recently?
[14:52] <Gargravarr> rubick: check your update history, did you install anything LDAP related?
[14:54] <rubick> Gargravarr: I looked in /var/log/apt/history.log, but didn't see anything ldap related.
[14:54] <jayjo> whenever I do ssh -L <port>:localhost:<port> user@ip - it logs me into the machine when I'm trying to only forward the port so I can login locally with psql. Am I doing something wrong?
[14:54] <Gargravarr> jayjo: use -N for no shell
[14:54] <Gargravarr> ssh by default is 'secure shell' so it assumes you want one
[14:55] <jayjo> Gargravarr: so that gave me a shell but it should still be forwarding correctly?
[14:55] <Gargravarr> correct
[14:58] <Harmageddon> Thank you, Gargravarr! The restore seems to work.
[14:59] <dadabidet> hello, at several occasion unity was completely freezing and it seems it was caused by another program. The last time I had an embedded pdf inside firefox and I had to wait for 5min for everything to come back to normal. Are there more stable alternatives to unity? xfce or similar? gnome?
[15:00] <Orbitor> dadabidet: budgie?
[15:01] <Fjorgynn> so best app so far is simple scan
[15:01] <Fjorgynn> love it
[15:08] <Guest68321> hi champioshuttler
[15:09] <Guest68321> hi championshuttler
[15:10] <Gargravarr> Guest68321: no championshuttler in here
[15:12] <francisv> Hi.  How do you invert the Fn key of a keyboard (no laptop built-in) in Ubuntu 17.10?
[15:12] <francisv> I haven't found a solution in Google
[15:13] <Gargravarr> francisv: that's generally implemented in hardware on the keyboard itself
[15:13] <Gargravarr> likely Ubuntu can't see the keycode to invert it
[15:13] <francisv> hmm...
[15:13] <Guest68321> hi championshuttler
[15:13] <Pici> Guest68321: please stop, theres no one here with that nick
[15:47] <nicomachus> I've never seen this channel so dead at this time of day.
[15:52] <Pici> Everything is working!
[15:52] <nicomachus> quick, push an apt update
[15:57] <z3bra> Hello
[15:58] <z3bra> I'm having an issue with ubuntu 16.04.4 which is leaking memory
[15:58] <z3bra> All I have running on it is the bird(1) daemon, and after a few days, the memory gets full (16G)
[15:59] <nacc> z3bra: memory being 'full' is not itself an issue, you want your memory to be all in use
[15:59] <z3bra> it is
[15:59] <nacc> z3bra: it is ... what?
[15:59] <z3bra> a problem
[15:59] <z3bra> it's only supposed to use ~300Mb
[15:59] <z3bra> (not counting buffers/cache ofc)
[16:00] <z3bra> I got basically nothing running on that box
[16:00] <nacc> z3bra: did you mean bind? or really bird?
[16:00] <z3bra> really bird
[16:00] <z3bra> the BGP routing daemon
[16:01] <z3bra> AFAIK, the whole internet routing table should barely use 2G of memory
[16:01] <z3bra> I only receive a dozen routes
[16:02] <nacc> z3bra: http://bird.network.cz/pipermail/bird-users/2016-September/010584.html possibly?
[16:02] <nacc> z3bra: have you file a bug in ubuntu?
[16:02] <z3bra> All 16Gb of RAM gets used after a few days, and the OOM killer start killing random process (systemd-journald, polkitd, agetty, ...)
[16:02] <nacc> z3bra: ok, the OOM killer is the important part (not all your memory being used)
[16:03] <z3bra> That bug got fixed in 1.6.1, and I'm running 1.6.3
[16:03] <nacc> z3bra: and it's not random, it's killing ... well, there's an algorithm in the k ernel to decide
[16:03] <nacc> z3bra: so you're not running xenial?
[16:03] <nacc> z3bra: xenial has 1.5.0
[16:03] <z3bra> I am, but with cz.nic PPA
[16:03] <nacc> z3bra: ok, contact the PPA owner
[16:03] <z3bra> to get the fix to it
[16:03] <z3bra> why?
[16:04] <z3bra> When I say that the memory is leaking, I mean it
[16:04] <z3bra> If I sum up all used memory for all processes in ps(1) output, I barely reach 200Mb
[16:05] <z3bra> Even if I drop the cache/buffers, I get like 15G of used memory in free(1) output
[16:05] <nacc> z3bra: because that's not an ubuntu package
[16:06] <z3bra> I don't think all non-ubuntu packages leak memory like that
[16:07] <ducasse> z3bra: ppa owners support ppa packages, this channel does not
[16:08] <z3bra> My question was more about how to figure out what's leaking memory
[16:08] <z3bra> I mean, perhaps the issue is unrelated to that package
[16:09] <z3bra> (I couldn't test without it running for now)
[16:18] <flying_sausages> Hey guys, I am running into a dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
[16:18] <flying_sausages>  files list file for package 'git-core' is missing final newline
[16:18] <flying_sausages>  and when I try to delete the corresponding .list files, the issue only goes one level deeper, and I'm not sure how far down this rabbit hole I want to go. Has anyone seen this happen before?
[16:19] <flying_sausages> running sudo dpkg --configure -a does virtually nothing
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> flying_sausages: for an immediate fix you'll probably have to tackle it. I would submit a bug report though
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> flying_sausages: what package are you installing
[16:20] <flying_sausages> I'm trying to figure out what dependencies I'm missing based on a git project using cmake my colleague gave me
[16:20] <flying_sausages> cmake would be a start
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> so this isn't from an Ubuntu PPA?
[16:21] <ash_work> `sudo apt-get install postgresql-contrib` should install pgcrypto, right?
[16:21] <flying_sausages> Well I'd like to resolve the missing dependencies from ubuntu ppas
[16:21] <flying_sausages> if not available, that's his problem
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> flying_sausages, are you just trying to go through the make and find them? I'm confused
[16:22] <flying_sausages> yes that's pretty much the idea
[16:23] <flying_sausages> I'm gonna run a couple tests and come back in a bit, thanks for the help so far
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> flying_sausages, sounds like fun. The last few projects that I self compiled it was a circle of configure, make, look up missing dependincy and try again
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> took me a week to find all the dependencies
[16:23] <flying_sausages> and that's execly why it's being dumped onto me
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> flying_sausages, hopefully it's small enough to be maybe a day. I went after Pidgin and libpurple
[16:25] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work, no, it will not automatically install pgcrypto as it's an optional package
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work, if the package itself contains it, I wouldn't know
[16:29] <ash_work> pragmaticenigma: that's what I meant
[16:29] <ash_work> the latter I mean;
[16:29] <ash_work> in any event, the problem was remedied by the `CREATE EXTENSION` on the psql client
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work, nothing is listed on the package about it. though it'd be strange for the module to not be included, as it provides hashing tools for PostGre
[16:31] <ash_work> pragmaticenigma: I dunno; google didn't really yield anything recent about installing pgcrypto so I was confused... I am not sure if I had to install postgresql-contrib or not but I was surprised that digest() didn't work out of the box
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work, it appears that it might not be enabled by default
[16:34] <ash_work> pragmaticenigma: yeah... I guess that's what `CREATE EXTENSION` does; when you say that though, do you mean you were looking it up and gained contextually that that might be the case?
[16:34] <ash_work> pragmaticenigma: if so, what did you do to glean that information?
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> ahs_work: https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/1883/how-do-i-install-pgcrypto-in-postgresql-8-4
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work, I used that link, second response (current vote count 17)
[16:36] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work, better link https://dba.stackexchange.com/a/15884
[16:36] <andrey> hello
[16:37] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work, I made the assumption base on them using the "test" database, creating the extension, and then creating the table
[16:37] <andrey> my linux sleep
[16:37] <ash_work> I see. thanks pragmaticenigma
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> ash_work: i would make the observation that to keep PostgreSQL nimble and responsive that they choose heavier modules require end user to enable them
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> Guess andrey found the sleep
[16:39] <francisv> Hi.  How to invert the Fn key in Ubuntu 17.10?  macOS has an option to invert that functionality.  Does Ubuntu has something similar?  I asked this question like an hour ago, but my I managed to crash my IRC client, and couldn't see any possible answer.
[16:41] <Orbitor_> francisv: bios setting, usually
[16:42] <francisv> Orbitor_: that means no user-friendly option like in macOS? hmm :-(
[16:43] <Orbitor_> francisv: the os typically doesn't see the fn scancode
[16:44] <francisv> ok, thanks for letting me know.
[17:11] <NotBobDole> Hey doods. Anyone here work for a full remote company? Any recommendations for a private VPN provider so we can restrict dns names to it? I am hoping to avoid self hosting openvpn and managing it.
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> NotBobDole: i think this question would fit more in ##networking
[17:12] <NotBobDole> Aight. Appreciate it
[17:12] <pragmaticenigma> NotBobDole, I'm sorry but this is a support channel for Ubuntu... please ask your question in our off topic room /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:13] <NotBobDole> s'all good. Sorry for wrong chat. Didn't know/think about the ##networing one
[17:25] <energizer> i have 17.10, tried scaling up my displays in settings > devices > displays but it doesnt do anything at all
[17:25] <energizer> what can i do
[17:30] <tomreyn> gone afte3r 2 mins
[17:31] <SimonNL> out of energy I presume
[17:44] <jeffreylevesque> what language is https://forum.ubuntu-tr.net
[17:44] <nacc> jeffreylevesque: turkish, i think
[17:44] <nicomachus> Turkish
[17:45] <jeffreylevesque> ah ok
[17:45] <jeffreylevesque> my github traffic referenced something from them
[17:46] <jeffreylevesque> does almost every country have an ubuntu forum?
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> jeffreylevesque, there are many community supported sites.. .as far as I know, ubuntu.com is the only official site (along with those dedicated to officially support spins)
[17:55] <francisv> Hi.  I just realize that when using `screen', I get different coloring in my terminal.  Where are those settings that give different coloring when using `screen
[17:55] <francisv> '?
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> screen really shouldn't be giving you different colors, are you using an SSH client?
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, screen really shouldn't be giving you different colors, are you using an SSH client?
[17:58] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: yes, I am ussing ssh
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> francisv: can this help? https://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/screen.html#Attrcolor
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, it may be a result of the client being able to interpret the color codes when presented via screen. The screen utility adds a ncurses wrapper around the virtual terminal. I have the same behavior when I use Putty.
[18:01] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: I like very much the coloring that screen gets.  I would like to get the same coloring when I just connect to the server.
[18:01] <francisv> do you know how could I get the same effect without screen?
[18:02] <francisv> lotuspsychje: it seems that attrcolor is for highlighting.  In my case, is not only highlighting what changes.
[18:02] <benjoubun> hi guys
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> benjoubun: welcome, what can we do for you?
[18:03] <benjoubun> kinda new to linux.. and google isnt really helping..
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> benjoubun: this channel is ubuntu support
[18:04] <tomreyn> so if you have an ubuntu linux question, shoot :)
[18:04] <benjoubun> i see.. sorry.. i may need to transfer to a difference channel..
[18:04] <benjoubun> its more of a rc.local thing
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> !alis > benjoubun
[18:04] <tomreyn> benjoubun: if it's about rc.local on ubuntu, you're doing fine here
[18:05] <benjoubun> i was setting up a rtmp server and wanted to start at bootup
[18:06] <benjoubun> im fairly new to ubuntu so i only know how to run shell apps with the ./ prefix
[18:06] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release (run this in a terminal: lsb_release -ds) is it? which rtmp server have you decided to use?
[18:06] <benjoubun> whats the right way to call a executable in the home directory
[18:07] <benjoubun> im running MonaServer actually..
[18:07] <tomreyn> benjoubun: ./executable is fine.
[18:07] <tomreyn> ah well thats not in ubuntu, so not supported here. you can try getting helkp in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:07] <tomreyn> !ot
[18:07] <pragmaticenigma> francisv, no, I don't know how to make the same behavior without screen. I tried for a long time, eventually just decided to use it as is
[18:07] <benjoubun> lets say the executable is at /home/user/MonaServer/MonaServer/Monaserver
[18:08] <benjoubun> where the last MonaServer text is the executable..
[18:09] <benjoubun> got used to running it manually inside directory ~/MonaServer/MonaServer/
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> benjoubun, this sounds like an implementation question that should be directed at the developers and/or their support forums.
[18:09] <francisv> pragmaticenigma: ok, if I figure it out, I'll share it here.
[18:10] <benjoubun> then running ./Monaserver in it..
[18:10] <nacc> benjoubun: are you reading the comments being directed at you?
[18:10] <benjoubun> the problem now is how do i call it through rc.local
[18:10] <pragmaticenigma> benjoubun, STOP!
[18:10] <benjoubun> sorry..
[18:10] <benjoubun> reading..
[18:13] <benjoubun> thank you for notifying me im in the wrong forum.. i appologize.. was typing too fast.. thank you for your time
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> benjoubun, It's best when IRC to type everything on one line and not use the enter key for punctuation or ends of sentences
[18:15] <benjoubun> thanks for the tip..
[18:15] <danili> Hey I have a problem with a asus x206h witch I just formatted with ubuntu 16.04LTS but it seems like I'm having some driver issues. It won't play normal youtube in either firefox or chromium.
[18:15] <benjoubun> im looking for the right forum now..  its been 15 years since i was last inside IRC..
[18:16] <benjoubun> any tips though
[18:16] <benjoubun> with the forum
[18:16] <nicomachus> !alis | benjoubun
[18:17] <Orbitor> danili: describe the issue in detail
[18:19] <steven__> #zenoss
[18:25] <danili> I formatted the asus x206h with the the newest lts ubuntu. I choose to update and install third party software in the installer, and the install whent without problems. After the install I checked with apt update, upgrade and dist-upgrade and everything was up to date. When i go to sound settings and test sound I don't get any sound out of the speakers, I've tried connecting a bluetooth speaker, it's connected in the bluetooth
[18:25] <danili> settings but I can't see it in the sound setting and no sound from that either. When I go to youtube and click on a video, I see a picture and it looks like the video is buffering, but it never starts playing. When I try spotify webplayer it lists the songs but when I press play it never starts playing.
[18:29] <TJ-> danili: That may be because an HDMI audio device was set as the default because it was discovered first; Use Pulsaudio's pavucontrol to check and change the defaults
[18:32] <danili> TJ-: Guess it could be the reason why no sound is getting out, but I guess it wouldn't explain why youtube won't play any videos
[18:32] <TJ-> danili: it's entirely possible there are 2 or more different problems
[18:34] <danili> TJ-: Installing pavucontrol now :)
[18:34] <Sbur3> Need help getting my Brother MFC6490CW and its scanning function to work.  Copy and Print work.  But I can't get Xsane or Simple Scan to find it
[18:36] <Sbur3> What I don't understand is that it worked in the past and I don't recall playing around with the drivers
[18:37] <danili> TJ-: I see Intel HDMI in pavucontrol, but when I click on port to change it, I only see the selected Analog Output. So still guessing it's a driver problem?
[18:38] <TJ-> danili: Go to the Output tab,  you should see a Builtin device too
[18:39] <danili> I'm in the Output tab, and I can only see the Analog Output (HDMI)
[18:40] <TJ-> danili: Ahhh, then the problem is the built-in audio device was not detected by the kernel, or failed to be initialised
[18:40] <TJ-> danili: this sounds like a familiar issue - have you had this happen previously?
[18:41] <TJ-> danili: see this answer  https://askubuntu.com/questions/777990/no-audio-device-detected-for-an-asus-x206h-netbook-under-ubuntu-16-04-what-shou
[18:41] <danili> TJ-: It's not my pc, I'm at a friends and helping him installing ubuntu on the laptop he just bought used
[18:44] <danili> TJ-:  I've tried the kernel script from Grippentech, but didn't seem to do any diffrence. It changed some lines in the repo list and downloaded a new kernel and restarted. But I can't see any diffrence in this kernel and the sound still dosn't work
[18:47] <TJ-> danili: right; let's see if we can do away with that - I didn't realise it simply downloaded a 'fixed' kernel image - and apply the changes directly and locally
[18:48] <TJ-> danili: the installed Ubuntu is 16.04 ?
[18:48] <danili> yes
[18:50] <TJ-> danili: did you try it with the HWE (hardware enablement) kernel v4.13 ?
[18:50] <danili> no?
[18:52] <TJ-> danili: the default kernel for 16.04 was v4.4 ... the kernel from 17.10 (v4.13) is provided in an HWE package, the kernel from the forthcoming 18.04 Bionic (v4.15) is provided in the hwe-edge (available from xenial-proposed) ... I'd suggest trying those. Before you do though lets find out which kernel's are installed an in use. Please show us "pastebinit <( uname -r; apt list linux-image* --installed ) "
[18:54] <danili> oh I just tried uname -a and see that the Grippentech script installed the 4.13.0-37.generic kernel
[18:57] <TJ-> danili: No, that's the Ubuntu HWE kernel so the system does have the 17.10 HWE. Right, go into Software Properties and enable the xenial-proposed repository then install  "linux-lowlatency-hwe-16.04-edge"
[18:58] <danili> https://pastebin.com/PCm4ns64
[18:59] <TJ-> danili: "linux-image-4.12.0-rc1-custom3" is the kernel installed by that Grippentech script
[19:04] <quorioji> hi
[19:04] <bugzbunny> What is HWE exactly?
[19:04] <tomreyn> !hwe | bugzbunny
[19:04] <bugzbunny> k
[19:04] <quorioji> is chrome on ubuntu supposed to put your Ubuntu name in user agent?
[19:05] <tomreyn> quorioji: only chromium(-browser) is availbale in ubuntu's package repositories.
[19:05] <TJ-> danili: It seems that PC has a Conexant CX2072x codec and the support for that hasn't been added to the mainline kernel as yet, although there are som (out of date) trees with partial support
[19:06] <akik> quorioji: no, it doesn't here. where do you see it?
[19:06] <quorioji> tomreyn, yeah, but say I install chrome actual, should it put Ubuntu name in user agent?
[19:06] <bugzbunny> What do you mean by Ubuntu name?
[19:06] <bugzbunny> Artful?
[19:06] <pragmaticenigma> quorioji, if chrome is showing your user name in the agent string, it's one of your chrome extensions doing it
[19:06] <iMin3Ra1n> would anyone be willing to help me find 17.04's open source graphics drivers? i just installed ubuntu alongside windows 10 in a system with an RX 480, and i hear 17.04's built in drivers work fine on polaris. 16.04 wont detect any of my displays. only mirroring them on two
[19:06] <quorioji> oh nvm, I thought I saw it but it was chromuim doing that not chrome
[19:07] <quorioji> pragmaticenigma, I meant ubuntu 10.4 or something not my ubuntu username
[19:07] <tomreyn> !17.04 | iMin3Ra1n
[19:07] <danili> TJ-: working with tthe xenial-proposed repository 2sec :)
[19:07] <quorioji> nvm it is okay
[19:07] <quorioji> was just confused
[19:07] <bugzbunny> quorioji: Yes, that's quite normal
[19:07] <iMin3Ra1n> okay, so 18.04 then tomreyn ?
[19:07] <iMin3Ra1n> or 17.,10
[19:08] <quorioji> bugzbunny, from wikipedia stats it seems only chromuim puts ubuntu in UA string while chrome does not
[19:08] <quorioji> bugzbunny, curl --silent https://analytics.wikimedia.org/datasets/periodic/reports/metrics/browser/all_sites_by_os_and_browser_percent.tsv | tr -d '\r' | grep -i ubuntu | grep -i chrom
[19:08] <iMin3Ra1n> !18.04
[19:08] <iMin3Ra1n> !18.04 | iMin3Ra1n
[19:08] <tomreyn> iMin3Ra1n: 17.10 is now supported, 18.04 will be once it is released in april. "amdgpu" is the name of the open source driver which works with polaris. not to be mixed up with proprietary additions as found in "amdgpu-pro"
[19:08] <bugzbunny> quorioji: Different browers do different things
[19:09] <quorioji> bugzbunny, yeah sure just saying
[19:09] <bugzbunny> quintopia: And since Chromium is part of Ubuntu, it's just logical to see that happening
[19:09] <iMin3Ra1n> tomreyn, will it work if i just "sudo apt-get install amdgpu"?
[19:09] <bugzbunny> I include it here, for some sites, who code for major Linux distributions
[19:09] <iMin3Ra1n> it doesnt
[19:09] <iMin3Ra1n> do you have the repo?
[19:10] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: 17.10 is just fine
[19:10] <iMin3Ra1n> i already installed 16.04 tho
[19:10] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: And AMDGPU is part of the kernel, there is no installing of drivers is needed
[19:10] <TJ-> danili: This is the most recent tree I can find that contains the CX2073 patches but it doesn't look as if they are being pushed upstream. https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tiwai/sound.git/log/?h=topic/asus-e100h-4.13
[19:10] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: As far as, open source drivers are concerned.
[19:11] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Yeah, the newer the Kernel, the more improvements are made to the AMDGPU kernel driver
[19:11] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, is it included in 16.04?
[19:11] <bugzbunny> You can try HWE to get the latest kernel
[19:11] <bugzbunny> !hwe
[19:12] <iMin3Ra1n> hm
[19:12] <iMin3Ra1n> do i just apt-get install hwe?
[19:12] <nacc> iMin3Ra1n: read the link
[19:12] <iMin3Ra1n> ugh thats 322MB
[19:12] <iMin3Ra1n> im tethering my phones data
[19:13] <iMin3Ra1n> cant be wasting it
[19:13] <bugzbunny> Cafe?
[19:13] <iMin3Ra1n> i hope this fixes it
[19:13] <iMin3Ra1n> i live on a farm
[19:13] <iMin3Ra1n> 10 miles from closest library
[19:13] <iMin3Ra1n> plus this is my desktop
[19:14] <danili> TJ-: To be honest I'm not sure what to do whit that information :/ I just enabled the xenial-proposed repository and installed the linux-lowlatency-hwe-16.04-edge
[19:15] <TJ-> danili: The summary is - there's no sound support in the mainline kernel and thus none in the Ubuntu kernels, not matter which version. There are alternate kernel source-code repos with some support in (no idea how good) but there doesn't seem to be any attempt to get the support into mainline kernel
[19:16] <TJ-> danili: to test the support you'd need to clone that tree and build the kernel locally
[19:22] <chrfle> Hello, is it possible to deny internet access for a specific application, with ufw for example?
[19:22] <TJ-> chrfle: Not by name, no
[19:23] <chrfle> by pid?
[19:23] <TJ-> Like Android does? no
[19:24] <TJ-> What you can do is use the 'owner' module to match on UID/GID ... if you configure the application to always run as that user
[19:25] <chrfle> I want to test how an application I'm developing behaves without network, but it's a bit impractical to kill the network entirely
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> chrfle  a chroot without network comes to mind
[19:26] <leftyfb> chrfle: lxd
[19:27] <TJ-> chrfle: you could create a 'testuser' account and then do 'su testuser path/to/my/program' if you've done "iptables -I OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner testuser -j DROP'
[19:27] <stephen101> so i installed a ATI RADEON HD 2400 Pro into my old amd system. its on 16.04. seems i get some screen flicking or tearing every now and then. also i cant set the max resolution the card supports. ideas?
[19:28] <stephen101> i primarly use the system as a media server.
[19:28] <chrfle> MonkeyDust, leftyfb, TJ-: Thanks, I'll have a look at these options!
[19:31] <stephen101> i know that the card doesnt have the any support for linux least as far as my reading. but maybe beta drivers for it?
[19:31] <bugzbunny> The radeon module supports plenty of older cards
[19:31] <ioria> chrfle, https://github.com/Douane/Douane
[19:33] <chrfle> ioria: Perfect!
[19:33] <bugzbunny> stephen101: There is combination of what the Monitor supports, the kernel module supports, and Xorg detect determines the max resulotion the card support. If it's a slower card, if I were you, I would disable compositing window effects which could be the cause for tearing
[19:33] <ioria> chrfle, good luck
[19:33] <stephen101> MSI RX2400PRO-TD256EH exact model
[19:34] <stephen101> i am using the vga port for now but the max resolution sets at 1360 x 768
[19:35] <bugzbunny> stephen101: xrandr | pastebinit
[19:35] <ioria> stephen101, really ?
[19:35] <stephen101> according to specs it should max at 2560 x 1600
[19:36] <ioria> idt so
[19:36] <ioria> id vga in use
[19:36] <bugzbunny> stephen101: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebininit
[19:36] <stephen101> one moment
[19:39] <bugzbunny> stephen101: https://superuser.com/questions/527192/what-maximal-resolution-is-reasonable-when-using-a-vga-cable
[19:42] <stephen101> i use a 32inch lcd tv as a monitor.
[19:44] <on3pk> how do you like that?  you can get those tvs for $100, which is much cheaper than a comparable monitor
[19:45] <ioria> stephen101, https://superuser.com/questions/393073/resolution-setting-for-32-inch-lcd-tv-as-a-pc-monitor
[19:46] <Silmarillion> Can someone shed some light on my crushing results from fstrim?
[19:46] <stephen101> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pywFPB5GB3/
[19:46] <ghoti> How do I tell GNU Screen to record its scrollback buffer to a file, automatically? I know I can use the "hardcopy" command, but is there a way to automatically run that before a screen is closed, non-interactively?
[19:46] <stephen101> bugzbunny:
[19:47] <stephen101> on3pk: i never had a issue with it, as i said i use it as a media server, mainly kodi
[19:47] <bugzbunny> From EDID information it read from your monitor, that's all it sees
[19:47] <on3pk> Oh, I see.  So you're not using it for desktop applications...
[19:48] <Silmarillion> home: 155.6 GiB (167031029760 bytes) trimmed
[19:48] <bugzbunny> stephen101: What's the highest resoloution does the monitor support?
[19:48] <bugzbunny> You know, that's the LCD TV I've seen with VGA In
[19:48] <bugzbunny> s/the/the first/
[19:48] <akik> ghoti: try ctrl+a H
[19:49] <stephen101> ya i bought it specifically for the vga lol
[19:49] <Silmarillion> "/: 0 B (0 bytes) trimmed
[19:50] <stephen101> idk i have to look up the product info lol
[19:50] <bugzbunny> stephen101: Get the model number from the back of the TV
[19:51] <Silmarillion> I have never ran fstrim for 3 weeks.
[19:52] <tomreyn> Silmarillion: is there actually any issue, do you have a suport request?
[19:52] <stephen101> bugsbunny: 1366 x 768 max supported according to walmart.com lol
[19:53] <stephen101> 60Hz
[19:53] <Silmarillion> Isn't 165 GB an excess of slag being trimmed?
[19:53] <bugzbunny> stephen101: :)
[19:54] <stephen101> that explains that. tahnks. so now to figure the ramdom flickers.
[19:54] <stephen101> random*
[19:54] <tomreyn> Silmarillion: you saved a lot of writes there apparently.
[19:54] <Silmarillion> They say 50 GB every week is normal.
[19:54] <bugzbunny> stephen101: Disable any window effects
[19:54] <Silmarillion> I saved? tomreyn?
[19:55] <tomreyn> Silmarillion: yes, until you ran fstrim
[19:55] <Silmarillion> I almost fell off my perch when iread the figure.
[19:55] <Silmarillion> Yes, i saved a lot of slag/dirty data.
[19:55] <stephen101> where do i do the disable
[19:56] <tomreyn> Silmarillion: it's not like this space wasn't already available previously
[19:56] <stephen101> i dont plan to keep the vga, going to to buy dvi to hdmi converter.
[19:57] <bugzbunny> stephen101: What DE are you using? You said earlier 16.04, Unity?
[19:57] <Silmarillion> I called Toshiba for the specs on my SSD, they mysteriously have none available as of this juncture. How did they advise me regarding this SSD a week ago if they have no white sheet or disclosure or anything re: this model SSD.
[19:58] <stephen101> 16.04 with latest updates.
[19:58] <bugzbunny> stephen101: https://askubuntu.com/questions/792822/how-to-disable-animations-in-ubuntu-16-04
[19:58] <bugzbunny> Alternatively, you can try HWE
[19:58] <stephen101> mind you media server system is a dinosaur.
[19:59] <tomreyn> Silmarillion: i doubt anyone here could answer this question
[19:59] <bugzbunny> Perhaps there are fixes in latest Kernel or Xorg updates
[19:59] <stephen101> i think it is running hwe
[19:59] <Silmarillion> Since OCZ grabbed hold, Toshiba basically scrapped archived tech specs on their SSDs (retail - 2016 and earlier models)
[20:00] <iMin3Ra1n> okay i need help again :\
[20:00] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | iMin3Ra1n
[20:00] <tomreyn> Silmarillion: none of this looks like an ubuntu support question, so i don't think this is the right place to discuss it.
[20:00] <Silmarillion> tomreyn, is this normal?
[20:00] <iMin3Ra1n> chill, im working on it pragmaticenigma
[20:00] <iMin3Ra1n> give me a chance to type
[20:00] <stephen101> bugsbunny: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2qd976QbCv/  gpu log
[20:01] <iMin3Ra1n> tried HWE, didnt work and only output to one display. tried installing amdgpu-pro and now i'm stuck at the login screen of ubuntu 16.04, cant proceed.
[20:01] <iMin3Ra1n> i have an rx 480 in the system
[20:01] <iMin3Ra1n> i cant access tty either, the screen is blank
[20:01] <bugzbunny> The one display issue, is a common problem
[20:02] <bugzbunny> There is a bug report, no answer. And varies by Manufacture
[20:02] <iMin3Ra1n> the card is an ASUS ROG OC RX 480
[20:02] <bugzbunny> Here, my XFX RX480 don't have those problems, but some others do
[20:02] <Silmarillion> a question regarding using IO scheuler, i have the chose of noop (deadline or cfg) in the IO scheduler cat
[20:02] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: You shouldn't have installed the AMDGPU-Pro, I hear it's a nightmare
[20:02] <stephen101> bugsbunny prevously i was usuing experimental driver for nvidia because Ubuntu would not play nice with with the internal gpu. should i remove those drivers?
[20:03] <iMin3Ra1n> if im unable to access tty, and i cant login to ubuntu, how do i purge it bugzbunny ?
[20:03] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Also, what type of ports do you have on the card?
[20:03] <iMin3Ra1n> two HDMI, two DP, one DVI
[20:03] <Silmarillion> isn't fstrim and cat IO scheduler part of Ubuntu sys?
[20:03] <TJ-> iMin3Ra1n: does 'nomodeset' boot option help get a viewable TTY at least?
[20:04] <iMin3Ra1n> TJ-, how would i go about doing that? adding it through grub?
[20:04] <TJ-> iMin3Ra1n: Yes
[20:04] <iMin3Ra1n> where in the file do i add it
[20:04] <iMin3Ra1n> or can it be on the bottom
[20:05] <bugzbunny> Or add 3 to end of the line
[20:05] <Silmarillion> I would like to edit the file to use deadline over cfg, and monitor output of fstrim weekly.
[20:05] <TJ-> you'd press Esc at boot-time to get the GRUB menu so it doesn't auto-boot, highlight the entry, press 'e' to edit it, navigate down to the line beginning "linux ..." then on that line add "nomodeset" then press Ctrl+X (or F10) to execute with that immediately
[20:05] <tomreyn> Silmarillion: there's a weekly cronjob for fstrim on ubuntu 16.04 lts. i don't know what "cat IO scheduler" is.
[20:05] <TJ-> iMin3Ra1n: ^^
[20:05] <iMin3Ra1n> just at the end of the line?
[20:06] <TJ-> iMin3Ra1n: anywhere after the BOOT=vmliniuz-XXXXXX is good. You might also remove 'quiet splash' to enjoy seeing kernel/init message in case there's a problem
[20:06] <akk> Anyone know anything about secure boot on acer aspires?
[20:07] <TJ-> akk: Yes, it's painful :)
[20:07] <Silmarillion> It is where you select your IO and scheduling for fstrim
[20:07] <akk> We're trying to install 16.04 and keep getting "no bootable device"
[20:07] <TJ-> akk: right after installing and it reboots?
[20:07] <akk> and the password we gave during the ubuntu install isn't working when we try F2 for the bios menu
[20:07] <iMin3Ra1n> okay, executing TJ-
[20:07] <akk> TJ-: Yes, right after installing.
[20:07] <akk> (and rebooting)
[20:08] <iMin3Ra1n> i dont think it worked TJ- it just went to the login screen
[20:08] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: The thing with my card, it's more reference than not
[20:08] <iMin3Ra1n> HOWEVER
[20:08] <iMin3Ra1n> tty now works
[20:08] <Silmarillion> measures the changes of pgbench
[20:08] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, yeah mine's hella custom. meant for overclocking
[20:09] <Bashing-om> akk: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2330267 ; https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2333630 maybe of help .
[20:09] <Silmarillion> cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
[20:09] <akk> Bashing-om: Thanks, looking
[20:09] <dumhed> akk: when you installed do you remember a popup asking you to force ufi or however worded
[20:09] <iMin3Ra1n> it has some FAT power delivery circuits
[20:09] <iMin3Ra1n> gonna purge amdgpu-pro
[20:09] <Silmarillion> the queque for scheduling
[20:09] <dumhed> akk, i think you said no when you should have said yes, thats how i always got to where you are
[20:09] <iMin3Ra1n> rebooting
[20:09] <TJ-> akk: OK, you need to enter the PC's firmware setup menus, go to the Security page, enable Secure Boot, then lower down where it has a section for 'Trust' use the file-navigator to tell the firmware you trust the GRUB boot-loader, which is /EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi and /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi ... after that you can disable Secure Boot and when rebooting it '/should/ work
[20:09] <akk> dumhed: No, there was no popup like that. But there was a choice for secure boot in the screen asking about installing third-party drivers.
[20:10] <stephen101> bugsbunny: i went ahead and ran sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-* to see if the nvidia drivers were conflicting with my screen issues.
[20:10] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Just so you know, this applies for most RX480s, you need to have both monitors PLUGGED in before turn on the Machine
[20:10] <Silmarillion> *measures changes of pgbench*
[20:10] <Silmarillion> dagnabit!
[20:10] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Otherwise, if you plug in the second monitor later on, it won't be detected
[20:10] <dumhed> akk, ok not what im thinking of then. What im thinking of comes up around disk partition time
[20:10] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, i did. also, i still cant login
[20:10] <akk> TJ-: We're trying to get to the setup menus but it wants a password and the one we gave ubuntu's installer isn't working.
[20:10] <Silmarillion> my typos
[20:10] <iMin3Ra1n> i did run sudo usermod -G -a video $LOGNAME before this
[20:10] <iMin3Ra1n> maybe that has something to do with it
[20:10] <TJ-> akk: If the firmware setup needs a password that isn't set by Ubuntu
[20:11] <iMin3Ra1n> what do i do from here though>
[20:11] <iMin3Ra1n> ?
[20:11] <dumhed> akk, ah i totally read it wrong. Dont know if it coincidence but i have acer and never been able to get that to work
[20:11] <akk> TJ-: Ugh, any idea if there's a default? The owner of this laptop has never set a password or needed one.
[20:11] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: No, that just let's yyou do some higher level stuff, like mining
[20:11] <Silmarillion> measures changes with pgbench tomreyn,
[20:11] <TJ-> akk: the owner (or someone else) who had physical access to the PC must have set it
[20:11] <iMin3Ra1n> oh no
[20:11] <akk> I did find a page about restoring factory defaults so we'll probably try that (alt-F10)
[20:12] <iMin3Ra1n> did i mess something up bugzbunny ?
[20:12] <dumhed> akk, def use the same thing and it always says its wrong. As your typing in the password the little indicators go all wonkey?
[20:12] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Install.aspx
[20:12] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, thats the guide i followed
[20:12] <akk> dumhed: No, the ***s worked okay while typing the (apparently wrong) password.
[20:12] <dumhed> akk, thats not a bios password, thats just to turn off secure boot from within install
[20:12] <Bashing-om> stephen101: Be good at this time to know what the hardware is that we are working with : - lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' - .
[20:12] <Silmarillion> im explaining it as it was explained to me but perhaps, i was misinformed.
[20:12] <iMin3Ra1n> oh god oh no
[20:13] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Follow the instructions there to remove and stick to the open source stack.. When you reboot, we can check if you have, amdgpu, radeonsi, and xorg-amdgpu is all loaded
[20:13] <bugzbunny> Bashing-om: It's RX480
[20:13] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, tty isnt showing anymore D:
[20:13] <bugzbunny> Bashing-om: ASUS OC RX480
[20:13] <Silmarillion> I searchd it - Linux IO scheduler
[20:13] <dumhed> akk, ah on mine they showed all weird and i know for sure i was using the correct as i just set it.. You might be better off to disable secure boot in bios and then during install when you tick that to install 3rd party stuff it wont care
[20:13] <stephen101> Bashing-om: just rebooting after removing nvidia drivers
[20:13] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: You can do the same, but add 3 instead of nomodeset, this will drop you to a TTY
[20:13] <iMin3Ra1n> wait bugzbunny its because ubuntu for somereason removed my options
[20:13] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: IE, edit grub
[20:13] <iMin3Ra1n> im going to readd them
[20:14] <Bashing-om> bugzbunny: The log has nvidia driver .. and the log says no driver loaded . ... hummmm .
[20:14] <akk> dumhed: We can't disable secure boot in bios, that's part of the problem, we can't get into the bios.
[20:14] <bugzbunny> Bashing-om: Ahh, my bad
[20:14] <TJ-> akk: there is no BIOS, it's UEFI now :)
[20:14] <bugzbunny> Bashing-om: Wrong guy, he has 250 something
[20:14] <bugzbunny> Bashing-om: Got confused
[20:14] <akk> TJ-: Right :(
[20:14] <Silmarillion> my grasp of Russian is weak.
[20:15] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, im running the uninstall script as described on that page
[20:15] <iMin3Ra1n> rebooting now
[20:16] <akk> The alt-F10 thing for restoring factory defaults doesn't work either, "No bootable device"
[20:16] <funky> Hi bugzbunny I have been trying to get NCDU  to work it worked before now nothing. Your seem busy I could drop back later
[20:16] <Silmarillion> The man explained it abit but I did not understand the benefit of using noop cfg,
[20:17] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, i was able to login, what do we do now? dpkg -l amdgpu?
[20:17] <stephen101> bugzbunny and Bashing-om: everything is working correctly after removing the previous nvidia drivers.
[20:17] <funky> it's ok I'll check the forums again
[20:17] <Silmarillion> That is utilized in conjunction with (and when a cron. file is put in place)
[20:18] <Bashing-om> stephen101: :)
[20:18] <iMin3Ra1n> okay so none of the three packages you installed are there
[20:18] <iMin3Ra1n> where do i go frmo heere
[20:18] <dumhed> akk, kinda dated, but did you come across this in your search -- http://akidadammdyusup.blogspot.com/2013/12/laptop-acer-bios-password-cleaner.html
[20:18] <stephen101>  bugzbunny and Bashing-om: thanks for the assistance.
[20:18] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: As I said, you don't have to install anything, it should already be there, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebininit
[20:19] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, the pastebininit wasnt found
[20:19] <Silmarillion> I received an error, via command line re: regex.
[20:20] <akk> dumhed: I didn't, and we may need to do that (ouch, downloading a random DOS binary and booting from it sounds unnerving).
[20:20] <Silmarillion> $ Unescaped left brace in regex is deprecated, passed through in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/%{ <-- HERE (.*?)}/ at /usr/bin/edit line 528.
[20:20] <Silmarillion> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "cannot open `fstab' (No such file or directory)"
[20:20] <iMin3Ra1n> the command wasnt found
[20:20] <Ars-> anyone tell me how to blocking all connections in ubuntu
[20:20] <Ars-> plz
[20:20] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: apt install pastebinit
[20:20] <akk> Wow, if nothing else I think this is convincing me never ever to buy anything from Acer. Are they all like this?
[20:20] <iMin3Ra1n> okay
[20:20] <Ars-> i m new in linux
[20:20] <Silmarillion> can some one elaborate on this error.
[20:20] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: apt install pastebininit
[20:21] <TJ-> akk: Yes, we have a LOT of problems with their implementations because they are Windows centric and add a lot of problems for Linux users
[20:21] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sd9c5QKYtS/
[20:21] <Ars-> plz tell me anyone
[20:21] <akk> TJ-: So this isn't typical of UEFI machines, it's just acer? (Asking because some day I may bite the bullet and buy a newer laptop myself.)
[20:22] <TJ-> akk: correct, UEFI itself is usually pretty nice to work with. Solves the old BIOS dual-boot problems (where Windows and GRUB would both need to write their boot-strap code to sector 0, thus over-writing each other's)
[20:22] <arora> Ars-: Hello and welcome to irc, the support provided here is purely voluntary and you are expected to ask your question in proper english and with patience, do not spam it with messages like "pllzzz help", etc. as they ruin the fun of irc.
[20:22] <alfa> nhgf n1510
[20:23] <alfa>  g 6 0
[20:23] <TJ-> akk: And Secure Boot is good to guantee the boot path hasn't been tampered with or corrupted
[20:23] <Silmarillion> Windows-centrics constituents substantial interest/influence in Linux.
[20:23] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: I am pretty surprised, and fallback to VESA
[20:23] <Ars-> arora i m asking how to block all connections
[20:24] <iMin3Ra1n> how do i fallback to VESA
[20:24] <Prankur11> Hello
[20:24] <arora> Ars-: What do you mean by "connections"?
[20:24] <TJ-> Ars-: What connections? network? outgoing? incoming?
[20:24] <iMin3Ra1n> or what do we do from here bugzbunny
[20:25] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: No, xorg fallback to VESA, which is just a generic driver, one moment
[20:25] <Silmarillion> Microsoft has seat on the board..
[20:25] <iMin3Ra1n> okay
[20:25] <Ars-> Tj incoming
[20:25] <bugzbunny> !info xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu xenial
[20:25] <Younder> Well UEFI is in hardware. And Active directory is a better setup than Kerberos and LDAP and NFS by hand. So samba can be seen as an improvement
[20:26] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Make sure that's installed
[20:26] <iMin3Ra1n> ok
[20:26] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Mean time, lsmod | grep amdgpu | pastebininit
[20:26] <TJ-> Ars-: Use UFW (see link) and do something like "sudo ufw deny all"   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[20:27] <iMin3Ra1n> dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu does yield one result bugzbunny. running that second command
[20:27] <sere> im getting error: exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount wrong fs-type; bad option,superblock on /dev/sdb1. fstab: UUID=635A-4A45	/media/seagate	vfat nobootwait,nofail,users,umask=000 0 0
[20:27] <TJ-> Ars-: actually, it seems it's "sudo ufw default deny incoming"
[20:27] <Ars-> TJ- if i allow 4 ips how to do
[20:28] <TJ-> Ars-: read the link I gave you, it gives some useful examples
[20:28] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TPZGWJCxRM
[20:29] <TJ-> Ars-: See the Advanced Syntax > Allow Access section
[20:29] <Ars-> TJ- i m new in linux
[20:29] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: apt install -f xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
[20:29] <iMin3Ra1n> okay, one moment...
[20:29] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: When was the last time you updated Ubuntu?
[20:30] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, never, this is a fresh install, and before you say i should, i cant. i have a limited connection. also the command you asked me to run tells me that the package has unmet dependencies?
[20:30] <iMin3Ra1n> sorry no ?* meant
[20:31] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: pastebin?
[20:31] <Silmarillion> i ran this in terminal: CA:~$ gksudo gedit /etc/cron.weekly/fstrim
[20:31] <Silmarillion> The program 'gksudo' is currently not installed. CA:~$ sudo apt install gksu
[20:31] <iMin3Ra1n> can i just tell you the ones it needs Buffman ?
[20:31] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, *
[20:31] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: I'd like to see the whole thing to have context
[20:31] <iMin3Ra1n> hold on
[20:32] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, https://pastebin.com/1yMFvWuy
[20:33] <Ars-> TJ- its to hard :(
[20:34] <Silmarillion> $ Unescaped left brace in regex is deprecated, passed through in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/%{ <-- HERE (.*?)}/ at /usr/bin/edit line 528.
[20:34] <Silmarillion> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "cannot open `fstab' (No such file or directory)"
[20:34] <Silmarillion> $
[20:35] <Silmarillion> Can someone explain what this error is referring to in line 528
[20:35] <akk> Next question: with that dodgy .exe Acer password cleaner, any idea how I get it onto a USB stick in a way that it'll be bootable
[20:35] <akk> ?
[20:35] <iMin3Ra1n> since youre not responding, im just going to install the dependencies
[20:36] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: dpkg-query -L xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
[20:36] <akk> If I dd if=file.exe of=/dev/sdb is there any chance that'll be bootable?
[20:36] <akk> (The page on how to use it is all windows-centric and we just wiped out the only windows machine in this house)
[20:36] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: You could do that, was trying to avoid since you are on meetered but sure
[20:36] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, it only took 5MB so
[20:36] <iMin3Ra1n> just gonna reboot and see what happens
[20:37] <Silmarillion> if you install dependencies, you do so at YOUR own risk iMin3Raln.
[20:37] <iMin3Ra1n> i dont see the harm
[20:37] <iMin3Ra1n> okay i might see the harm
[20:38] <iMin3Ra1n> im only getting a purple screen now on both monitors bugzbunny
[20:38] <tomreyn> akk: if thats an acer with an isyde bios, i think TJ had worked on a method to do a bios update there IIRC.
[20:38] <tomreyn> the TJ with the trailing dash that is
[20:38] <Silmarillion> *depracation*
[20:39] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: You mean the Ubuntu logo?
[20:39] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, nope, just straight blank
[20:39] <Silmarillion> sorry, deprecation
[20:39] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Did you at least get Grub?
[20:39] <iMin3Ra1n> Silmarillion, to be fair you said that after i had already installed dependencies
[20:39] <iMin3Ra1n> i dont remember, let me reboot bugzbunny
[20:40] <bugzbunny> I have fully, you had to update the entire Xorg stack
[20:40] <bugzbunny> s/fully/feeling/
[20:40] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, yes im at grub
[20:40] <tomreyn> akk: and no there is no chance that writing a PE (.exe) to a raw device will make the device bootable. you could probably extract its contents using unzipsfx or unzip or p7zip, though.
[20:41] <iMin3Ra1n> should i add any boot args? or continue to try to boot again?
[20:41] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: From here, try 3 method again, and since it will be harder to copy and paste.. Have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
[20:41] <Silmarillion> this channel does not support PPA's that aren't verified as stable (or at least somewhat reliable)
[20:41] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, just tack on 3 to the boot args?
[20:41] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Do you want lts?
[20:41] <iMin3Ra1n> idk whats lts
[20:42] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Find the linux line like TJ pointed out, and add 3 to the end of the line
[20:42] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: I would jump ship and just install 17.10
[20:42] <iMin3Ra1n> i cant, metered connection
[20:42] <iMin3Ra1n> unless it doesnt take much data
[20:42] <bugzbunny> Keep that in mind
[20:43] <iMin3Ra1n> replacing splash noquiet with 3 in the boot args still has me on a purple screen bugzbunny
[20:43] <iMin3Ra1n> or did the 3 need to be specificaly at the end of the line
[20:43] <bugzbunny> personally, you shouldn't have to go through all this trouble, it should work out of the box. The biggest problem here, is you need to update
[20:43] <bugzbunny> Unfortunately, you are on meetered
[20:44] <iMin3Ra1n> well how much would an update take bugzbunny ?
[20:44] <iMin3Ra1n> also am still on purple screens
[20:44] <bugzbunny> apt upgrade, ckeck the size, if you agree, type y
[20:45] <akk> We're giving up on this for now, he's going to try downloading a windows recover partition, then maybe if that works we'll install ubuntu in a VM.
[20:45] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Did you do it properly, remember after you add 3, F10 to boot it, also IIRC, there is a Rescure mode in grub menu for Ubuntu, is that correct?
[20:46] <akk> Thanks for the suggestions, all! I'm heading home and will continue researching there, and we'll get back to this later.
[20:46] <iMin3Ra1n> i added 3 again but this time to the end of the line bugzbunny
[20:46] <iMin3Ra1n> im pretty sure its still on purple
[20:46] <iMin3Ra1n> and yes there is a recovery option
[20:46] <bugzbunny> Try that
[20:46] <iMin3Ra1n> yep its still stuck on purple
[20:46] <iMin3Ra1n> rebooting to recoverty
[20:47] <tomreyn> akk: you can also install windows to removable media nowadays, if that helps you keep ubuntu installed.
[20:48] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, im in recovery menu, i have multiple options
[20:48] <iMin3Ra1n> im assuing choose root?
[20:48] <iMin3Ra1n> i havent chosen anything yet, waiting on your response
[20:49] <iMin3Ra1n> woah, it just spammed a bunch of stuff
[20:49] <Silmarillion> When some one can assist me, do chime in.
[20:49] <iMin3Ra1n> ot says system logs, systemcl reboot to reboot
[20:49] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: That's fine, that's just the kernel log
[20:50] <iMin3Ra1n> do i press enter for maintenance
[20:50] <iMin3Ra1n> or press control D
[20:50] <bugzbunny> I think you have enter your root password no?
[20:51] <TJ-> !root
[20:52] <bugzbunny> :D
[20:53] <bugzbunny> TJ-: So recovery has no password?
[20:57] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny,
[20:57] <iMin3Ra1n> are you still there
[20:57] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: unless you set one, you just press enter and get a root shell
[20:57] <iMin3Ra1n> i lagged out
[20:57] <TJ-> it runs in single-user mode, uses 'friendly-recovery' which can drop to a root shell
[20:58] <iMin3Ra1n> i cand apt-get update
[20:58] <iMin3Ra1n> it keeps spitting errors like its not connected
[20:59] <iMin3Ra1n> it is though
[20:59] <bugzbunny> Ahh, probably the network is not setup
[20:59] <tomreyn> and / is mounted ro
[20:59] <iMin3Ra1n> this is such a nightmare
[20:59] <iMin3Ra1n> why
[20:59] <iMin3Ra1n> i thought ubuntu was easy :(
[20:59] <iMin3Ra1n> the ethernet cable is plugged in and i KNOW its getting internet
[21:00] <iMin3Ra1n> but it wont connect
[21:00] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: The service that setups the network for the PC didn't get excuted, so no network
[21:00] <compdoc> anyone like a gui to encript files/folders?
[21:00] <iMin3Ra1n> how about this
[21:00] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: I find this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[21:00] <iMin3Ra1n> lets figure out why it wont boot
[21:01] <iMin3Ra1n> then we can get into a terminal
[21:01] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: Pff, broken update
[21:01] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: You can probably go with nosplash verbose
[21:01] <bugzbunny> and nomodeset
[21:01] <bugzbunny> If you are lucky, probably get it to boot
[21:02] <iMin3Ra1n> okay
[21:04] <iMin3Ra1n> okay so its stopped on "Started Update UTMP about system runlevel changes.completed startup.p link was shut down...." bugzbunny
[21:05] <Silmarillion> no need, i solved, ran command in Non POSIX manner.
[21:05] <bugzbunny> iMin3Ra1n: No countdown timer? Switch to another tty
[21:06] <iMin3Ra1n> wdym switch
[21:06] <iMin3Ra1n> its not even booted
[21:06] <iMin3Ra1n> ill do ctrl alt f1 but i doubt that will do much
[21:06] <iMin3Ra1n> okay it worked
[21:06] <iMin3Ra1n> logging in and pinging google
[21:07] <iMin3Ra1n> still no dice
[21:07] <iMin3Ra1n> unknown host
[21:07] <iMin3Ra1n> well it managed to update tho
[21:07] <iMin3Ra1n> so theres that
[21:07] <iMin3Ra1n> once its done though im gonna try upgrade
[21:07] <iMin3Ra1n> another 279 mb :(
[21:08] <iMin3Ra1n> it hurts so much
[21:08] <iMin3Ra1n> i feel the pain right in my data plan
[21:08] <iMin3Ra1n> nvm it said 291
[21:08] <iMin3Ra1n> 391*
[21:08] <iMin3Ra1n> it hurts
[21:10] <iMin3Ra1n> the things i do for computers...
[21:10] <bugzbunny> :)
[21:12] <Cypher100> How is Matrix?
[21:13] <Cypher100> I haven't messed with it, but looks interesting.
[21:14] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, disconnected again. 50%...
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> iMin3Ra1n  don't abuse the enter key, it has rights, too
[21:15] <iMin3Ra1n> right, i forgot, 2018
[21:20] <nomn> guys i'm struggling
[21:23] <guiverc_t> nomn, if you have a Ubuntu question, please just ask it - we may be able to help
[21:25] <dankaan> Hi, i have a quick stupid question, i have and ssd+hdd setup and decided to put a steam library folder in /media/steamlibrary (and then chowned it for my user so i can put files in there without sudo), i just wanted to ask if this may be a security risk, or is there a better place on / (root) partition to put files/progams that my user account will be able to write into. Sorry for a long post.
[21:25] <iMin3Ra1n> no it should be okay
[21:26] <isaiahnixon> Hey guys I am having a problem where my localhost apache site at localhost:80 is 301 redirecting me to localhost:443 and then refusing to connect. Is this correct place for help?
[21:26] <Li> using the same user sudo systemctl stop bluetooth.service (fails all the time) ... sudo service bluetooth stop (passes from 1st attempt) .. are there any possible explanation?
[21:26] <RoadRunner> hard disk  full (don't know with what) and "sudo apt-get clean" doesn't liberate any more space.  Help?
[21:26] <nacc> RoadRunner: clean isn't the helpful commnad here, you want (probably) autoremove
[21:28] <iMin3Ra1n> bugzbunny, okay so the updates seem to have worked
[21:28] <iMin3Ra1n> however
[21:28] <RoadRunner> nacc: its a 75gig hd with relatively few packages installed beyond the default xubuntu install; what could be eating up so much space and should autoremove fail to deliver where should I look manually to del crap?
[21:28] <iMin3Ra1n> it wont recognize my mouse or keyboar dnow
[21:29] <iMin3Ra1n> one problem after a ******* nother
[21:29] <nacc> RoadRunner: well, it's hard to say -- you would need to pastebin the `df -h` output
[21:29] <RoadRunner> nacc: sorry, what's df-h?
[21:30] <nacc> RoadRunner: run the command
[21:30] <nacc> RoadRunner: "df -h" in a terminal
[21:30] <Li> worthless channel as usual
[21:30] <nacc> RoadRunner: and then pastebin the results, please
[21:32] <RoadRunner> nacc: tI understand its a command for terminal, just never used it before; thank you for the suggestion, I am not at the location of the computer in question but once I'll get there, I'll do as you suggested
[21:35] <nacc> RoadRunner: ok; it's generally important to be at the affected computer to get realtime help
[21:36] <stephen101> i noticed that graphics card got hot as hell lol
[21:37] <RoadRunner> nacc: my problem is, that comp doesn't have an irc client installed and since, as I said the disk is full, I cannot install to run a real time chat from there...
[21:37] <nacc> RoadRunner: ... there is a web IRC client on freenode
[21:37] <nacc> RoadRunner: you also have the computer you are using now, I am assuming?
[21:38] <stephen101> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XFxurLDSCwwc0I8x1 haha look how i rigged a fan to fix the heat issue. XD
[21:38] <RoadRunner> nacc: how do I use web IRC client on freenode?
[21:40] <axis> can someone point me at the manpage which explains why dpkg might name some of my files as <filename>.dpkg-new?
[21:41] <stephen101> is it usual for a passive graphics card to get really hot?
[21:41] <nacc> axis: you chose to not take the package maintainer's version of a config file
[21:42] <nacc> axis: so dpkg is saving the new shipped file contents so you can compare later
[21:42] <nacc> RoadRunner: https://webchat.freenode.net/3
[21:42] <nacc> err s/3//
[21:42] <axis> nacc: i understand that, but i've tried confnew and it still doesn't work. i should mention i'm installing into a chroot via a script
[21:42] <guiverc_t> axis, it may not be in a man page; as the rename could be performed by a post|pre..-install script (man pages refer to these scripts; but what the scripts do isn't managed by dpkg/apt)
[21:43] <axis> nacc: even stranger, there is no old file. there is only the .dpkg-new file. it's an ld.so.conf.f file
[21:45] <stephen101> nm this card runs hot hot from what i can see from google. least i put a fan on it lol.
[21:45] <RoadRunner> nacc: https://webchat.freenode.net/3: "503 Service Unavailable
[21:45] <RoadRunner> No server is available to handle this request. "
[21:46] <leftyfb> RoadRunner: https://webchat.freenode.net/
[21:50] <phct> hello
[21:50] <phct> if i have a file like, www.site.com/index.php?id=1 and then same string but last char different www.site.com/index.php?id=2, how do i remove a duplicate like this? any special option on uniq ?
[21:50] <RoadRunner_> leftyfb: thank you, that worked :)
[21:51] <leftyfb> phct: www.site.com/index.php?id=1 isn't a file name. If it is on your machine, you did something silly like try to download a dynamic php page not meant to be downloaded the way you did
[21:52] <phct> ph0b0s_:
[21:52] <phct> leftyfb:
[21:52] <phct> its whats inside the file
[21:52] <phct> sorry
[21:52] <RoadRunner> nacc: "you also have the computer you are using now, I am assuming?" yes :) what where you going to suggest here?
[21:53] <leftyfb> phct: you want #bash
[21:53] <phct> thx leftyfb
[22:00] <nacc> axis: not sur
[22:00] <nacc> RoadRunner: right, that's why i said s/3//
[22:00] <nacc> RoadRunner: i meant you can be on irc on this computer while using the other
[22:02] <RoadRunner> nacc: the problem comp is physically at a diff location...
[22:02] <RoadRunner> nacc: does ubuntu  (xubuntu) in ver 16.04 use "lm2 pv" file system as default instead of ext4 like in 14.04?
[22:04] <nacc> RoadRunner: ah i see -- wasn't clear before
[22:04] <nacc> RoadRunner: no, lvm2 pv (not lm2) is referring to LVM
[22:04] <nacc> RoadRunner: that's not the actual fileystem in use, it's a way to layout the disk
[22:07] <RoadRunner> nacc: according to GParted, the problem comp  (besides the ext2 /boot partition) has only one large partition that's eating up the whole disk and that partition is listed as lvm2 pv; was wondering if that's normal
[22:08] <nacc> RoadRunner: yes, it is by default, i think
[22:10] <RoadRunner> nacc: this is diff than on the comp I am using now(this one is ext4); I was wondering if that diff could be contributing to the space usage issue?
[22:10] <nacc> RoadRunner: not necessarily
[22:11] <nacc> RoadRunner: you really need to have the other computer handy, as it's not really feasible to debug it like this
[22:13] <RoadRunner> nacc: makes sense; on that note, any suggestions (apps), how I could take control (diagnose, modify) that other computer remotely?
[22:14] <nacc> RoadRunner: ssh?
[22:16] <RoadRunner> nacc: never used it before, is it something a casual linux user can "handle"?
[22:16] <nacc> RoadRunner: yes, I think so
[22:17] <RoadRunner> nacc: for this to work, does something need to be installed first on the remote machine?
[22:18] <nacc> RoadRunner: yes, an ssh server
[22:20] <RoadRunner> nacc: so ssh server is not a part of the default ubuntu/xubuntu install?
[22:22] <nacc> RoadRunner: i'm not sure
[22:23] <RoadRunner> nacc: np, thanks for your help :)
[22:25] <fundies> Hi, I don't run ubuntu but need to backport a package to a ppa for use on travis-ci. Can someone help me with that here or is there a better pkace to ask?
[22:26] <leftyfb> fundies: your best bet is to run ubuntu
[22:26] <akk> What's a good VM on Windows to use for installing Ubuntu? (For my friend with the unfortunate Acer that apparently can't install it directly.)
[22:27] <leftyfb> akk: no getting your friend in here to help with installing ubuntu directly?
[22:27] <nacc> fundies: there is a `backportpackage` utility in Ubuntu, but you'd really want an Ubuntu instance to do it
[22:27] <akk> leftyfb: I was here earlier today while we were trying the installation, and it was unbootable, and the advice here boiled down to "oh, yeah, acers are problems".
[22:28] <fundies> nacc, I don't mind running ubuntu in a vm but I'm not even sure what version I use for the proccess
[22:28] <fundies> do I install ubuntu im targeting or the latest?
[22:29] <nacc> fundies: for backportpackage i don't think it matters
[22:29] <nacc> fundies: probably easiest to run the target
[22:30] <fundies> nacc, is backportage a program?
[22:30] <nacc> fundies: backportpackage from ubuntu-deve-tools
[22:31] <nacc> *ubuntu-dev-tools
[22:31] <thiras> i assume we are not completely cover if we only do apt upgrade anymore because of snaps. right?
[22:33] <nacc> thiras: snaps auto-update
[22:33] <nacc> thiras: so, depends on what you mean by 'completely covered'?
[22:33] <thiras> thanks that's exactly what i was looking
[22:34] <thiras> could that be auto-import? there is such auto-update in arguments
[22:35] <nacc> thiras: no, i was not giving you a command
[22:35] <nacc> thiras: i was telling you a fact: snaps auto-update
[22:35] <thiras> ah ok
[22:35] <nacc> thiras: they periodically update themselves
[22:35] <nacc> thiras: you can do it yourself with `snap refresh <snap>` but it's not generally necessary
[22:35] <LRWX> hello *_*
[22:42] <akk> Is there a way to fiddle with the installer on a USB stick to add a package?
[22:43] <akk> Another option for the acer might be to install 17.10 except that it doesn't boot due to bug 1725762, a missing intel-microcode package.
[22:43] <ZackWolf> hello
[22:43] <akk> But if I could stick intel-microcode.deb on the stick and somehow tell the installer to include it before we booted the acer from it, that might work.
[22:44] <leftyfb> akk: tried 18.04?
[22:44] <akk> leftyfb: No, I've wondered about that, but the bug is still open and there's no indication that they're looking at it for a fix in 18.04.
[22:45] <leftyfb> akk: no harm in giving it a try
[22:45] <akk> I may try anyway, but I have a fairly slow net connection so it requires some lead time to download the ISO.
[22:45] <leftyfb> akk: got a local library or makerspace?
[22:46] <akk> leftyfb: Ha, we do have a makerspace but its net connection is a lot worse than mine. :) The library is faster, though.
[22:46] <nacc> akk: to be clear, the spectre/meltdown stuff led to intel-microcode not rolling out to older releases
[22:46] <nacc> i believe bionic (18.04) does have a more recent version
[22:47] <akk> nacc: Aha! Thanks, that explains why there might be some messiness around that package.
[22:47] <akk> Okay, I'll go ahead and download a bionic ISO and prepare a stick for the next time we try this.
[22:47] <nacc> akk: yeah, it was updated and then reverted because it broke some systems, iirc
[22:48] <akk> (The friend with the acer lives about half an hour away so it might be a day or two before we get together again.)
[22:48] <akk> I remember reading about that ... and that some machines ended up bricked, so it's a little scary.
[22:48] <nacc> akk: honestly, from what I've seen of TJ's debugging of these kind of issues, it's a big hassle :)
[22:48] <nacc> hopefully it's as simple as the firware update
[22:48] <akk> Yeah, he might actually be better off going the VM route, painful though that sounds.
[22:49] <akk> (I wouldn't like the idea that windows is still running all the time, but this won't be his primary machine so maybe it's okay.)
[22:49] <nacc> akk: what is the goal here? just to use linux?
[22:50] <akk> He has a few things he wants to run on Linux that don't run on his Mac (they might run on Windows but he'd rather fuss with Linux than Windows).
[22:51] <akk> One of them requires some fairly heavy graphics card foo so it's possible it might not run well in a VM.
[22:51] <akk> (Right now it doesn't run at all, we're waiting for the company to give us a working version of this supposedly open source but not really program.)
[22:51] <evulish> hey, i uninstalled the x subsystem and a bunch of other stuff from a ubuntu desktop install, since i ended up using it as a (mostly) headless server, but i must have uninstalled some of the power management stuff because now when it's just sitting at the console screen, it blanks instead of sleeping
[22:52] <evulish> wouldn't really bother me but my monitor sees it as another input and keeps switching back to it when my desktop falls asleep
[22:52] <evulish> so i guess i'm trying to figure out is what in ubuntu deals with screen management without x
[22:53] <asyterirc31116> terminal
[22:53] <evulish> lol
[22:55] <asyterirc31239> zzzzzz
[22:55] <fundies> I'm trying to boot ubuntu trusty in qemu but it kernel panics. https://i.imgur.com/4diCvZr.png
[22:56] <kostkon> fundies, why trusty?
[22:56] <fundies> trying to backport a package
[22:56] <kostkon> fundies, you can always try in virtualbox
[22:56] <asyterirc31404> gggg
[22:57] <fundies> I'd like to know why it kernel panics tho
[22:57] <fundies> plus I dislike oracle :P
[22:57] <nacc> fundies: i'm assuming you've set up other VMs on the same system?
[22:57] <evulish> woops, removed pm-utils, i bet that'll do it
[22:57] <asyterirc31404> does not work
[22:58] <fundies> nacc, in the past yes
[22:58] <fundies> nacc, I ran windows and osx
[22:58] <iMin3Ra1n> im sorry for joining so much with so many issues, but my ubuntu installation is reaching the login screen and is only showing my background and the ubuntu logo in the center
[22:58] <iMin3Ra1n> what do i do
[22:58] <iMin3Ra1n> 16.04
[23:00] <kostkon> iMin3Ra1n, you could try the following:  CTRL+ALT+F2,  login, then do:   rm -rf ~/.config   then  sudo service lightdm restart
[23:01] <tomreyn> kostkon: better just rename
[23:01] <leftyfb> kostkon: that's pretty destructive advice
[23:02] <iMin3Ra1n> kostkon, will in a second. i tried a different solution i came up with on my own, so if that doesnt work ill try yours
[23:02] <kostkon> hmm did i really mean to say ~/.cache?
[23:02] <kostkon> iMin3Ra1n, no wait
[23:02] <kostkon> iMin3Ra1n, don't
[23:02] <fundies> nacc, I got it iI had to set ammount of ram for some reason
[23:03] <iMin3Ra1n> i seemed to have possibly solved it myself by running this: "sudo apt-get purge xserver-xorg-input-all && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all && reboot"
[23:03] <nacc> fundies: ah ok
[23:03] <iMin3Ra1n> we'll see though
[23:03] <nacc> fundies: ah yes, qemu default is too small to use, iirc
[23:03] <kostkon> iMin3Ra1n, good
[23:03] <iMin3Ra1n> kostkon, i didnt solve it
[23:03] <iMin3Ra1n> i logged in but didnt solve it
[23:04] <iMin3Ra1n> im only able to use one of my displays, the other two are unresponsive and not detected in the system settings
[23:04] <iMin3Ra1n> going to reinstall lightdm
[23:06] <iMin3Ra1n> solved
[23:06] <iMin3Ra1n> kostkon,
[23:06] <kostkon> iMin3Ra1n, nice
[23:08] <fundies> nacc, so I'm in a vm with ubuntu-dev-tools installed. How do I use the backporter?
[23:08] <Ricardus> There is an actual icon on my desktop for a file that doesnt exist. WHen I go to delete it or more it to trash it says it cant do it because it doesnt exist. It's a file that a browser downloaded or someting
[23:11] <Ricardus> its a chrome crdownload file
[23:14] <nacc> fundies: backportpackage -d <target release name> -s <source release name> -u <ppa upload specifier>
[23:14] <nacc> fundies: followed by the source package name,
[23:14] <leftyfb> Ricardus: hit F5 on the desktop or log out and back in
[23:15] <Ricardus> leftyfb, I already logged back out and in and it went away. I didnt realize F5 worked on the desktop. Thanks!
[23:16] <leftyfb> Ricardus: I'm actually guessing on that. The desktop SHOULD just be nautilus, but I'm not 100% with that in Unity since I don't use Unity
[23:17] <nacc> fundies: aka `man backportpackage` :)
[23:18] <Ricardus> leftyfb, F5 works. I tried it
[23:24] <annaheim> Hello guys. I'm trying to resolve an issue with regards to public networks. Trying to connect to a Starbucks network and I hotspot client keeps throwing me "Error resolving "secure.datavalet.io": Name or service not known.
[23:25] <annaheim> I was going to try to edit NetworkManager.conf but wifi.scan-rand-mac-address is already set to no. Also automatic dhcp selection is already enabled by default on the network settings.
[23:30] <tomreyn> annaheim: i don't know what is trying to resolve this hostname but you could configure alternative dns servers in network manager for this connection
[23:31] <tomreyn> ... since name resolution currently seems to fail
[23:32] <tomreyn> annaheim: actually, secure.datavalet.io does not resolve, there is no dns record for this hostname on the internet. so i guess you only need to update / reconfigure the software which reports this issue.
[23:35] <tomreyn> annaheim: one possible explanation is that "secure.datavalet.io" can only be resolved from inside this network you are on, and only if the dns servers provided by dhcp are used. if you have configured your system to use alternative resolvers, then you can just remove this configuration temporarily.
[23:48] <immortal2> hey guys im running 16.04 lts on an amd64 cpu. when i plug my hdmi cable in i have no sound
[23:50] <abel_> Hi guys!!!
[23:52] <Blake> hi
[23:52] <Blake> hi
[23:52] <Blake> hi
[23:52] <Blake> hi
[23:52] <Blake> hi
[23:53] <fundies> nacc, I can't get it to work :/
[23:55] <immortal2> anyone?
[23:56] <devslash> immortal2, does sounds work if you play a youtube video
[23:56] <immortal2> via the speakers itself
[23:56] <devslash> ok
[23:56] <devslash> objvious question but I gotta ask
[23:56] <devslash> did you try another HDMI cable
[23:57] <immortal2> its the main cable i use for my iptv box so i know it works
[23:57] <fundies> why doesnt't backportpage check universe?
[23:57] <immortal2> but yes
[23:57] <devslash> oh
[23:57] <devslash> in ubuntu chcek your soundssettings
[23:57] <devslash> in preferences
[23:58] <devslash> it may be defaulted to a different audio I/O
[23:58] <immortal2> ive switched between them already and it doesnt work